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Run Tiny Core Linux on Win Mobile?

Hello!Have you ever heard about Tiny Core Linux...it is only 11MB big and it has a graphical interface.So is it possible to run it on Windows Mobile based phone.I read that is possible to run Ubuntu on many phones but is it possible to run Tiny Core Linux.Thank you in advance!

may be that's possible,but i am still wondering what the iny core linux is

zdzeee said:
may be that's possible,but i am still wondering what the iny core linux is
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You have any link for download? I would like to try.
Thank you.

Yes...here it is tinycorelinux dot com

intresting...
http://www.tinycorelinux.com/welcome.html

seems it's kernel is for x86 not for ARM

Well...i have ever seen that you can run Rhobuntu (Ubuntu) on many HTC phones (see youtube - type 'rhobuntu').

xukca said:
Well...i have ever seen that you can run Rhobuntu (Ubuntu) on many HTC phones (see youtube - type 'rhobuntu').
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Doesn't make any difference, the sources will need to be compiled for an arm cpu, then drivers will have to be added etc, you are better of with the current android ports that are going on.

..let me show you ARM version of linux, that i could imagine in PDA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i--xlwE8UlY&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfE2vSk3Hbc&feature=related
etc etc...
this is what can be done with ARM cpu line and some brain.
others can.
only thing i wanted you to realize how FAR we are from real portable os for work with our wm/android/whatever.

Someone managed to do it drove this Linux?

Is there any way that you can run linux shell on HTC Diamond or anyway to run aircrack-ng

xukca said:
Is there any way that you can run linux shell on HTC Diamond or anyway to run aircrack-ng
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Lol, no, and it would be totally pointless. Too slow for aircrack-ng

if its able to run Linux... will it be able to run android on top of this Linux?

BlueEditionE6 said:
if its able to run Linux... will it be able to run android on top of this Linux?
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Why run two cores(kernels) on one not-so-fast machine? Kinda pointless imo.

[Q] Trying to get Uplink: Hacker Elite working...

The passed few days I have been rtying to see if there was any way to be able to play Uplink: Hacker Elite game on my TF-101. It is a simple game and was released with windows and linux installs which lead me to believe it should be possible since Android is based off linux. Is there any one with better resources out there that might be able to find out more?

If the game was not developed for an ARM processor, or is not cross compatible between the architectures, then it won't work at all. Sorry :/

Thing O Doom said:
If the game was not developed for an ARM processor, or is not cross compatible between the architectures, then it won't work at all. Sorry :/
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http://forums.introversion.co.uk/uplink/viewtopic.php?t=39111
Well someone was able to do a proof of concept but I can not find anymore so I feel your incorrect and just need some dev work or an emulator.

"It's an instance of android-x86 (http://www.android-x86.org/) running on VirtualBox because the Android emulator is way too slow."
Okay, I take it back. I said not at all, but okay an emulator would work, but no, you don't want that unless you like having 0.1FPS or similar.
You could port it to android via an app, if you could get the source. For now, assume no..
EDIT: "I bought the developer's CD from Introversion and am pretty much just translating the code to Java." <-- he's porting to an app (That guy you linked) You could wait for a proper port from him...
and progress on that port
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"I have tested this demo on a HTC Wildfire and it does run, but the screen resolution is way too small for the game. So it _runs_ on mobile phones, whether it's playable is another matter."

What if I used:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1364095
Shouldn't the Linux install work?

That doesn't change your processor, ARM linux is still ARM. If the game isn't built on a platform compatible with ARM, nope.

Master of Orion and many other games not built on a platform compatible with ARM and they work fine. Why is this so different? It is not a graphical game it is just a skinned spread sheet all text based with some pictures. None of the software requires any special hardware like T&L. I think you don't see the differences and only seeing "game" then taking a shot in the dark since for the most part you are right that 99% of games don't work unless made for the platform. It is because most games have hardware requirements outside the ARM architecture which this does not.
If you could point out something specific about why it would not work I might believe you but I think your guessing since you have a 99% chance of being right without needing the technical knowledge.
P.S. I had Uplink running on an Xbox running Ubuntu and it was not an ARM system.

xbox = 32bit, so that isn't a valid comparison.
I'm not taking a shot in the dark, I tried it on my Ubuntu install on my TF just to humour you since you don't seem to believe me.. Guess what? Didn't work. It needs to be ported, shouldn't be too hard if you could figure out how to get ubu on an xbox.

Thing O Doom said:
xbox = 32bit, so that isn't a valid comparison.
I'm not taking a shot in the dark, I tried it on my Ubuntu install on my TF just to humour you since you don't seem to believe me.. Guess what? Didn't work. It needs to be ported, shouldn't be too hard if you could figure out how to get ubu on an xbox.
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Thanks for taking the time to try it out. I am good at implementation but I am not a coder. The xbox project I was part of but not alone.

If it's text only with not too many graphical interactions it shouldn't be terribly hard to port. You can download the SDK and give it a go if you like :] It'd be a learning experience, if you really love the game.

Looks like there getting some where with making it an app.
http://www.introversion.co.uk/uplink/mobile/

Only a matter of time then x)

Native Linux (and X)?

Hi,
Has anyone got Linux working natively on this tablet? Or at least the X Window System and/or with a working touchscreen driver?
I would really like to get Linux to run on this tab (any distro).
Thanks!

No news of any?
If only I new how to do it myself...

The question is why?
It hard enough to get all the hardware working with the scaled down Linux of android.

DigitalMD said:
The question is why?
It hard enough to get all the hardware working with the scaled down Linux of android.
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It shouldn't be that hard to get everything working (Linux, X, ALSA and mtev have been ported to the original Tab and also the S2 too, so it's possible). Alternatively, (search Novo Paladin Tablet running X in Youtube) run X on top of the Android kernel.
Why would it need to be scaled down? The internal drive could be partitioned for /etc, /usr, /var and /home use.

I think you could try the linuxonandroid solution( but I think you already did...), it runs linux natively and only needs a vnc client to access the GUI. I am running the BackTrack and it is quite usable. Not as fast and optimal as it would be without the vnc layer, but I don't think any developer would spent much effort to close that gap.

leodfs said:
I think you could try the linuxonandroid solution( but I think you already did...), it runs linux natively and only needs a vnc client to access the GUI. I am running the BackTrack and it is quite usable. Not as fast and optimal as it would be without the vnc layer, but I don't think any developer would spent much effort to close that gap.
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Oh but we are working on removing the vnc layer, check out our site for more info

why not a more modern OS like say .... Windows 98 or VME ? or Bada?

DigitalMD said:
why not a more modern OS like say .... Windows 98 or VME ? or Bada?
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windows 98 is more modern than a release of Ubuntu from last year?
The linuxonandroid project is working on native ports of Linux distros, its true you can run the likes of windows 98 but this uses emulation via the likes of qume which means more lag and less use of the actual hardware

Didn't get that either. My guess is that he posted in the wrong thread.
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zacthespack said:
windows 98 is more modern than a release of Ubuntu from last year?
The linuxonandroid project is working on native ports of Linux distros, its true you can run the likes of windows 98 but this uses emulation via the likes of qume which means more lag and less use of the actual hardware
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Linux is soooooooooo 1960s
originally developed in 1969 by a group of AT&T employees at Bell Labs,
Don;t they teach you kids nothin in school??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix
Running a 40 yo OS. .....LMAO>>>>>>

I just hope you are kidding dude...
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leodfs said:
I just hope you are kidding dude...
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Kidding???????????
I posted the fact filled link from Wiki , are you kidding?
Linux is a 44 year old OS>

Yeah, got it. Sorry, but that's not funny at all.

leodfs said:
Yeah, got it. Sorry, but that's not funny at all.
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I think its hilarious , people thinking they are doing something cool and new. I was doing this stuff Unix in college in 1978

DigitalMD said:
Linux is soooooooooo 1960s
originally developed in 1969 by a group of AT&T employees at Bell Labs,
Don;t they teach you kids nothin in school??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix
Running a 40 yo OS. .....LMAO>>>>>>
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Linux WAS NOT developed in the 1960s, nor was it developed by Bell Labs. It does copy UNIX, however. Linus Torvalds wrote the kernel from scratch and posted it to the Minix mailinglist in the 80s (what's wrong with an old OS xD at least it is being continued).
And also, Bada and Android are based on Linux, and Windows 9x won't run because it is developed for x86 chipsets, not ARM.
Go and do your research first

No dude, what is hilarious is that you keep that point of yours. We are not trying to emulate a dead OS from 60's( which is not the Linux case, by the way), we are running a modern version of a distro ported to an ARM platform and by consequence ALL of its apps and libraries.

Ubuntu Touch is now availible for ARM chipsets!
DigitalMD, it's not the fact we're making something new, it's the fact we're improving it, making it how we want it.

leodfs said:
No dude, what is hilarious is that you keep that point of yours. We are not trying to emulate a dead OS from 60's( which is not the Linux case, by the way), we are running a modern version of a distro ported to an ARM platform and by consequence ALL of its apps and libraries.
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Exactly.
I'm running Linux right now, and uname -a returns:
Code:
Linux kube 3.5.0-24-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Thu Feb 7 01:50:30 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
Kernel last updated 7th Feb. Dead OS? I think not.

zacthespack said:
Oh but we are working on removing the vnc layer, check out our site for more info
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That's great. Have you seen the Nova Paladin video? It would be awesome if you could kill the UI and run the X server with mtev.

DigitalMD said:
why not a more modern OS like say .... Windows 98 or VME ? or Bada?
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Windoze???? You've got to be kidding!!
Yes, UNIX was created by Kernighan and Ritchie (K&R) at Bell Labs (BTL) in the late 60's. Its main attributes are that it is a mujlti-user, multi-tasking and processor-independent operating system. It is transportable to different hardware simply by rewriting the underlying kernel specifics before compiling. Their group also created the C language to better handle its features, finding Fortran to be too cumbersome. In other words, it was done right from the ground up; one would be hard-pressed to devise a better OS. I perceive Ubuntu and other implementations as primarily UI applications, but I'm not a programmer.
You can find a nice history (and license plates!) at unix.org.
Linus Torvalds, as previously mentioned, ported UNIX to the IBM PC by rewriting the kernel and rather narcissistically dubbed it "Linux".
Microsoft Windows can run only on the Intel boat anchor, and is a crazy-quilt of patches over the original single-user kludge, PC-DOS. Bill Gates plastered too much lipstick on that pig long ago.

Voice of confidence.!

I am a beginner on this page. I am writing this to backup the other developers on this form. A lot of people who has been going around on the surface forum repeating over and over fat some functions will never work. I've been around modding phones since when Windows Mobile 3 came out back when I was in middle school. I remember when Windows Mobile came out a website called geekstoolbox.com whats the phone for many modders to build custom firmware for Windows Phones. I remembered and middle school it was difficult to make certain improvements because Windows Mobile phones were close systems. I remember then listen to visit on the forum who actually broken too the phone am I allowed a dump of data to flow in Internet of his phone start new custom ROM custom firmware revolution to begin. Afterwards, I begin saying revolutionary products such as wifi tether, Bluetooth tethering, Mobile sharing, and in custom OS. to those web visiting thi about s forum repeating over and over and over, that there would be no Windows based x86 programs on when does RT we'll be eating crow when it finally does happen within the next few months. I see it being possible when you consider if someone will, compile a virtual machine enabling many features of Windows 8 x86. Furthermore, suppose it becomes like parallels Macintosh. In addition, maybe someone will develop 8 translator package for Windows 82 windows Rt to understand each other's programs. all that I am saying is please do not be downers and out other people expressions about this tablet and is always
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I meant to end by saying, please do not doubt other people's expressions about this templates capabilities in with the wish to see on this tablet because the possibilities are there and if someone desires it enough it will come to fruition.
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There are already two x86 emulators (Bochs and DosBox) for Windows RT. Bochs is slow to the point of being unusable, and DosBox is slow to the point of lagging while playing games from 1992.
x86 will likely never run (games) well on Windows RT, but it does in fact already run.

See,! It already possible . I have 1 questions, do they use virtual machines or do they do rely on the Internet
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befreshshaveivorysalesoap said:
See,! It already possible . I have 1 questions, do they use virtual machines or do they do rely on the Internet
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They use virtual machines, but they're slow to the point of complete uselessness. It takes half an hour to boot XP in them.

befreshshaveivorysalesoap said:
I meant to end by saying, please do not doubt other people's expressions about this templates capabilities in with the wish to see on this tablet because the possibilities are there and if someone desires it enough it will come to fruition.
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Tempered with a dose of reality, when you acknowledge that even a dual core ARM cpu is still very underpowered to emulate a full x86 cpu/environment. If what you want is a good x86 experience, the Surface RT isn't what you want.
That's not saying you can't get a decent toy x86 environment, or really good recompiled for arm desktop apps. Those two work fine.

schettj said:
Tempered with a dose of reality, when you acknowledge that even a dual core ARM cpu is still very underpowered to emulate a full x86 cpu/environment. If what you want is a good x86 experience, the Surface RT isn't what you want.
That's not saying you can't get a decent toy x86 environment, or really good recompiled for arm desktop apps. Those two work fine.
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Maybe not the full experience but something like WINE on Linux. Most people who buys the RT version aren't power PC users and don't require much anyhow , except for a few apps

befreshshaveivorysalesoap said:
Maybe not the full experience but something like WINE on Linux. Most people who buys the RT version aren't power PC users and don't require much anyhow , except for a few apps
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Wine on x86 linux isn't emulating the CPU. This is a critical difference.

schettj said:
Tempered with a dose of reality, when you acknowledge that even a dual core ARM cpu is still very underpowered to emulate a full x86 cpu/environment. If what you want is a good x86 experience, the Surface RT isn't what you want.
That's not saying you can't get a decent toy x86 environment, or really good recompiled for arm desktop apps. Those two work fine.
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I believe that all the Windows RT devices are quad core right now.
befreshshaveivorysalesoap said:
Maybe not the full experience but something like WINE on Linux. Most people who buys the RT version aren't power PC users and don't require much anyhow , except for a few apps
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It's really very unlikely that any x86 program bigger than Notepad will ever be usability fast/stable. I'd go read up a bit on emulation and the downsides regarding speed with it. This is the same reason that android tablets, which are quite arguably far more suited for this, can't do anything better than emulate 20 year old OSes, and do that poorly.

netham45 said:
I believe that all the Windows RT devices are quad core right now.
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d'oh! flip flopping between windows phone 8 and windows RT Yep, 4 arm cores. Still like trying to emulate a V8 with an inline4.

netham45 said:
I believe that all the Windows RT devices are quad core right now.
It's really very unlikely that any x86 program bigger than Notepad will ever be usability fast/stable. I'd go read up a bit on emulation and the downsides regarding speed with it. This is the same reason that android tablets, which are quite arguably far more suited for this, can't do anything better than emulate 20 year old OSes, and do that poorly.
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Instead of emulating an entire OS, would anyone entertain the idea of a program translator; A program could be build with the libraries of some main OS'es. Within the translator, when an x86 program is called the programs determines what operating systems' library to use. The translator would then render a version of the program Windows with RT can understand.
Couldn't this be likely.

netham45 said:
There are already two x86 emulators (Bochs and DosBox) for Windows RT. Bochs is slow to the point of being unusable, and DosBox is slow to the point of lagging while playing games from 1992.
x86 will likely never run (games) well on Windows RT, but it does in fact already run.
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I believe I no what the issue with these are.......... Bochs and DosBox do not allow users to control processing cores for each emulation. These emulators need to be updated to take advantage of this feature, it's a blessing for other OS'es

There's already a translator project much like what you describe, actually. It's early alpha quality right now, only able to run a few apps and those slowly and with stability problems, but it's a very promising proof of concept. The developer is using the DOSBox dynamic recompilation engine, optimized for THUMB-2 (ARM variant that Windows uses) with some hacks in it to remove support for stuff that only the kernel has to care about like page tables and whatnot (these hacks apparently substantially increase speed). The recompilation engine is not currently thread-safe, which means it has to run on a single core (although it's possible that the translated program itself might be able to run across multiple cores; I don't know for sure) but the possibility of fixing that is being investigated.
The project is on the Dev&Hacking sub-forum, and there's a download link for it and a (mostly playable) demo of Heroes of Might and Magic 3 as an example of what it can currently do.

Can someone point me in the duration to learn about building for ARM. I want to see if I can contribute. In school I am only learning about the x86 and x64 architectural

befreshshaveivorysalesoap said:
Can someone point me in the duration to learn about building for ARM. I want to see if I can contribute. In school I am only learning about the x86 and x64 architectural
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Currently this is the porting method: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2096820&highlight=arm
Requires visual studio to cross compile from a desktop windows machine.

Surface running andriod?

Anybody successfully ran native android on the Surface or Surface pro? I sall a video but no Wifi or Bluetooth were working he said. AnywayIf so has anyone heard of any plans for running it on the 2nd Surface?

Surface RT and surface 2, nothing has changed. Use search, there are threads for it already.
Surface pro. Android x86, but its poorly supported. Also Android-IA, poorly supported on the surface but working for one of the samsung tablets.

Right ok... I thought so its a shame that nobodys supporting it to well

Why the lolz would anyone want to run android on a surface pro?

No android apps need the raw CPU performance. Many games dont support x86. Can get a (poor) android tablet for the cost of the type cover for the surface.

So I can have 3 operating systems that i use most on one machine
Also bluestacks sucks I can't stand it.

hacktheplant said:
So I can have 3 operating systems that i use most on one machine
Also bluestacks sucks I can't stand it.
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Jar Of Beans is better than bluestacks. Android on x86 devices isn't much better when you factor in driver issues (wifi and bluetooth are often unsupported, even touch and sound go, androidIA only supports specific devices because they only have drivers for those devices) plus any app using the NDK (quite a few, even some of the built in apps) tend to only be compiled for ARMv7, not MIPS or x86, so alot of apps are broken (many of the google defaults thankfully are available in x86 variants, but you cant just copy them from your ARM phone or tablet as they will only have the ARMv7 binary not the x86 binary). Its just awkward.

Aw thats awesome! Interesting but its discontinued I wonder why I hope that doesn't cause and problems

hacktheplant said:
So I can have 3 operating systems that i use most on one machine
Also bluestacks sucks I can't stand it.
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But windows 8 alone can do things android only dreams about...

Right but andriod has most of my fun with hacking and games

hacktheplant said:
Right but andriod has most of my fun with hacking and games
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Windows 8 on x86 has probably more mods and hacks than all versions of android combined...
You can even make it look like windows 95 if you want...

I know but I haven't gotten in that experience yet lol
It would be awesome if you tell me a few of them!

hacktheplant said:
I know but I haven't gotten in that experience yet lol
It would be awesome if you tell me a few of them!
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This is true