Hey All. Just a quick thought I had. With the hardware specifications of the G Tablet, is it powerful enough to mimic the Viewpad 10 and dual boot win (XP of 7) and android? I know that the processors are quite different, but would that make it impossible?
Just a thought.
Thanks,
Scott
cscotty said:
Hey All. Just a quick thought I had. With the hardware specifications of the G Tablet, is it powerful enough to mimic the Viewpad 10 and dual boot win (XP of 7) and android? I know that the processors are quite different, but would that make it impossible?
Just a thought.
Thanks,
Scott
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Hmmm...not quite what I was looking for. Anything else?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883195
cscotty said:
Hey All. Just a quick thought I had. With the hardware specifications of the G Tablet, is it powerful enough to mimic the Viewpad 10 and dual boot win (XP of 7) and android? I know that the processors are quite different, but would that make it impossible?
Just a thought.
Thanks,
Scott
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No. Yes.
What would make it possible: Swapping the guts of the Viewpad 10 w/the gTab...
Viewpad 10 only run Android 1.6 anyways, which is VERY old, as that is the only version of Android ATM that supports x86 processors...
cscotty said:
Hey All. Just a quick thought I had. With the hardware specifications of the G Tablet, is it powerful enough to mimic the Viewpad 10 and dual boot win (XP of 7) and android? I know that the processors are quite different, but would that make it impossible?
Just a thought.
Thanks,
Scott
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You know, my 1st thought was no, bcuz of different instruction set, but here's an idea: run Windows under qemu under Android on Gtab. It'd probably be dog slow, but...
Jim
jimcpl said:
You know, my 1st thought was no, bcuz of different instruction set, but here's an idea: run Windows under qemu under Android on Gtab. It'd probably be dog slow, but...
Jim
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Unuseably slow. Reminds me about all the people who continuously asked about a Nintendo 64 emulator for the Nintendo DS...
cutterjohn said:
Unuseably slow. Reminds me about all the people who continuously asked about a Nintendo 64 emulator for the Nintendo DS...
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Agreed ...
cscotty said:
Hey All. Just a quick thought I had. With the hardware specifications of the G Tablet, is it powerful enough to mimic the Viewpad 10 and dual boot win (XP of 7) and android? I know that the processors are quite different, but would that make it impossible?
Just a thought.
Thanks,
Scott
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Not possible yet, you wouldn't want to try to run Windows under an emulator, trust me.
However, a Tegra 2/ARM build of Windows 7 is apparently in the works - see this thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10011358#post10011358
Also, there is apparently a Windows CE build already for Tegra 2, I'd check out the developer forums at NVidia if you're really curious. I don't know why anybody would want to run Win CE on their G Tab, but it'd be a cool hack if you felt like doing it. Drivers for touchscreen would be an issue of course - you'd have to write them for the G Tablet touchscreen (which will be at least vaguely plausible after the kernel source release this week), or find something compatible out there. Basically, a lot of work for no real return.
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may s.o has already red this is coming until midle of 2009 it should be here final.
its made for "highend sp" but in cnet.com it has been said that 16mb of ram and 200mhz would be needed.
this flash 10 is optimatet for arm processors. is the vox processor a arm processor(dunno!).
may you findnews on this
oh wow from 7 to 10?
maybe now we can watch straight up youtube videos?
it is said so..
i think we might need an plugion for pie. but lets ahve a wait and see
Well, actually from 0 to 10. Flash 7 is only for Professional devices (and you can't really count Flash Lite...). And yes, the processor of the Vox uses the ARM architecture!
frauhottelmann said:
Well, actually from 0 to 10. Flash 7 is only for Professional devices (and you can't really count Flash Lite...). And yes, the processor of the Vox uses the ARM architecture!
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i hope it will come realy for smartphones
Well, mid-2009 isn't going to be interesting for me, since I will buy a WinMo Prof. device then...
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Well, mid-2009 isn't going to be interesting for me, since I will buy a WinMo Prof. device then...
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What would be your preferences for buying one?
Well, I haven't decided yet. I need to get my hands on the Touch HD and see how big it is. But right now, I am probably going to get a Touch Pro. The full keyboard is something I don't want to miss!!!
Will it be possible to put a version of windows on the gtab? I know they are working on linux with a distro of ubuntu, does anyone know if it is possible?
Dont get me wrong i love android but this is a powerful device and id like to squeeze all i can out of it
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Will it be possible to put a version of windows on the gtab? I know they are working on linux with a distro of ubuntu, does anyone know if it is possible?
Dont get me wrong i love android but this is a powerful device and id like to squeeze all i can out of it
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Considering that the Tegra 2 is a RISC CPU and to my knowledge the only Windows version that is written for RISC CPUs is WinCE I'm guess the answer to your question is yes and no. Yes technically an OS made by MS in the Windows "family" (WinCE) could be ported to the gtab but realistically the kind of windows variant that I think you're looking for (XP/Win7) no. And you're right this is a powerful piece of hardware... way more that is necessary for WinCE so on al counts it's doubtful that windows will ever make it onto the gtab.
Actually I believe if someone can rip the proper files from the dual booting 10" viewsonic this might be possible. I would have to look at the internals, but I would assume they are the same. I know it is running win7 starter and I believe Android 1.6. I was actually gonna look at that this weekend. Problem is with the small internal memory might be worth it to invest in a 32gb chip.
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Actually I believe if someone can rip the proper files from the dual booting 10" viewsonic this might be possible. I would have to look at the internals, but I would assume they are the same. I know it is running win7 starter and I believe Android 1.6. I was actually gonna look at that this weekend. Problem is with the small internal memory might be worth it to invest in a 32gb chip.
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Actually there is a reason that it is running android 1.6. 1.6 has a compiled version that runs on x86 architecture.
No dice on win 7 on this puppy sorry
Scratch that. I just looked at the specs and they are not even close other than the screen. Well it was a thought.
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Scratch that. I just looked at the specs and they are not even close other than the screen. Well it was a thought.
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The other tablet is uses Intel Atom CPU, hence why it works, would have been nice if that tablet had Android 2.2....but who wants Win7 when you got android....hahaha
I agree about android over win, but I always like to have the ability to. I have my linux box w/ a tiny Win7 partition. Course every time I log into it. I remember why I stopped using windows
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The VS 10" multi-boot tablet has an Atom (x86) CPU and dual boots Windows 7 and Android 1.6 (IIRC).
The only thing vaguely like Windows that you MIGHT be able to get on the gTab will be some version of wince(and I do -- they're trying to call it Windows Mobile now since wince was so awful, but it sounds like it hasn't helped).
I'd actually like to see how well WinMo 6.5, like my old touch pro had, would run on a g-tab. I really enjoyed that old phone.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/viewsonic-viewpad-10-and-10s-hands-on/
I'm just wondering if the one running 2.2 and Tegra2 has a better screen. Aside from that main difference looks to be an HDMI out port.
If anyone has any interest in hands-on experiences with the ViewPad 10 let me know. This is the tablet that dual-boots Windows 7 and Android 1.6.
I bought one for my wife for Christmas and she is really happy with it. Windows runs well and the touch interface works well. The Android half is only 1.6 but runs really fast and does what she needs to.
Craig
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If anyone has any interest in hands-on experiences with the ViewPad 10 let me know. This is the tablet that dual-boots Windows 7 and Android 1.6.
I bought one for my wife for Christmas and she is really happy with it. Windows runs well and the touch interface works well. The Android half is only 1.6 but runs really fast and does what she needs to.
Craig
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Is this CPU dual core?
What is the touchscreen? eGalax?
Has vacant mini-pci-e?
Or all the 2 mini pci-e slots are occupied by SSD and Wifi card?
Can you upgrade the RAM from 1 Gb to 2 Gb card?
Is SD card recognised in Grub and can you boot by SD in the current GRUB setup?
Looks like the 10s is actually a version of the Vega.
Windows tabs (this one included) are Atom cpu powered and the chipset can not handle Android code beyond 1.6.
Though the Tegra 2 is powerful for a passively cooled chipset, it will not power Windows well at all. Need more cpu power and fan cooling.
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Looks like the 10s is actually a version of the Vega.
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Seems like it, just with a different chassis. But why would VS do that?
In essence, if it IS Vega guts then it's no different than a G Tablet except that it has less internal storage + the hdmi port. That would be pretty...what's the word, scammy? Maybe they're trying to 'shed' the G Tablet image.
But you don't give people less bang for their buck albeit in a different/new package and manage to charge more for it unless you're Apple or evil.
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Windows tabs (this one included) are Atom cpu powered and the chipset can not handle Android code beyond 1.6.
Though the Tegra 2 is powerful for a passively cooled chipset, it will not power Windows well at all. Need more cpu power and fan cooling.
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Wha?
I was under the impression the only reason Tegra 2 doesn't power Windows currently is that Windows doesn't have an ARM compatible product currently, and that should change by 2012.
As far as Android on intel architecture - that's up to Google. There's no reason that it shouldn't be able to run well unless Google has optimized code in Android especially for ARM vs. x86/x64 since Linux runs well on everything.
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Seems like it, just with a different chassis. But why would VS do that?
In essence, if it IS Vega guts then it's no different than a G Tablet except that it has less internal storage + the hdmi port. That would be pretty...what's the word, scammy? Maybe they're trying to 'shed' the G Tablet image.
But you don't give people less bang for their buck albeit in a different/new package and manage to charge more for it unless you're Apple or evil.
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The article says it is only available outside the US. So it looks like they want a tablet both inside and ouside the US. Maybe it is easier for them to choose two tablets that are already approved to work in the corresponding locations, compared to getting the gtablet modified to work outside the US or the Vega modified to work inside.
Folks, there is no such thing as a Tegra 2 Windows device. Will not work correctly.
The device has an Intel Atom 400 series chipset and has a fan.
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Folks, there is no such thing as a Tegra 2 Windows device. Will not work correctly.
The device has an Intel Atom 400 series chipset and has a fan.
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Not sure what you are saying. The Viewpad 10 is the one with android 1.6 and windows and has the atom processor and fan. The Viewpad 10s is a rebranded advent vega with a tegra 2, running android 2.2.
A fan has noting to do with anything. My windows 7 netbook is passivly cooled. The tegra 2 is more than enough to handle windows, the oly problem being is an arm arcitecture. But hey! We can run windows 95/98 with bochs!
There is absolutely no way that you will ever run Windows 7 on any ARM processor (ie: the Tegra 2). ARM is a totally different and incompatible architecture from x86, which is what Windows 7 runs on.
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Seems like it, just with a different chassis. But why would VS do that?
In essence, if it IS Vega guts then it's no different than a G Tablet except that it has less internal storage + the hdmi port. That would be pretty...what's the word, scammy? Maybe they're trying to 'shed' the G Tablet image.
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I think you got it right there. I would assume the VEGA is a lot more successful (critically-wise) than the GTablet's been so maybe they are looking to leave the Android tablet making to the experts!
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But you don't give people less bang for their buck albeit in a different/new package
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If we're both right, then the premium you are paying is more than likely a manufacturing fee to VEGA and HOPEFULLY some marketing push from Viewsonic to get this thing popular and get a good following for the device. The reason WE want a following... DEVs to MOD it!
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and manage to charge more for it unless you're Apple or evil.
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OR BOTH! LOL!
Actually Froyo-x86 is possible AND released!
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Windows tabs (this one included) are Atom cpu powered and the chipset can not handle Android code beyond 1.6.
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The ViewPad 10 uses the Android-x86 projects port of 1.6. However, those guys just recently released a version of Froyo-x86... and it includes a specific port for the ViewPad 10!
http://www.android-x86.org/releases/release_2_2
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The article says it is only available outside the US. So it looks like they want a tablet both inside and ouside the US. Maybe it is easier for them to choose two tablets that are already approved to work in the corresponding locations, compared to getting the gtablet modified to work outside the US or the Vega modified to work inside.
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You can get a duo 10s from Amazon now "ViewSonic ViewPad10 10.1-Inch Dual Boot Tablet Supports Windows Home Premium and Android OS with Wi Fi/Bluetooth (Black)" for $599.
Keen to see if Windows 8 will work on the TF101, but lacking the technical ability to attempt to install it, I'm wondering if anyone here has attempted to run the Windows 8 Consumer Preview on their transformer?
If so, how did you do it and did it perform?
Consumer preview is 32 and 64 bit not arm so it will not run
Microsoft also said that the bootloader on arm devices will be locked so you will only be able to get windows 8 arm on devices that come with it
I saw on a reputable website a picture of Windows 8 running on a tegra 2 tablet with 1gb ram. So hardware wise, TF101 might be capable.
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I saw on a reputable website a picture of Windows 8 running on a tegra 2 tablet with 1gb ram. So hardware wise, TF101 might be capable.
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thats right microsoft demo'd windows 8 on arm using a tegra 2 tablet with one gig of ram
they showed it when they first showed windows
Thanks all, there is a glimmer of hope it seems!
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Thanks all, there is a glimmer of hope it seems!
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Not really. Windows 8 for ARM will not be available to buy separately. It will only come pre-installed on devices.
Perhaps someone skilled will be able to get it to work in some highly unofficial way but they'd have to find a way around the secure bootloader requirements and also figure out how to get hardware drivers for the device in that Windows 8. Unlike Android, Windows 8 isn't open source so 'hackers' will have a harder time getting it on different devices.
Tablets are not like PC's with fairly long upgrade paths available. You buy it as it is and hopefully the manufacturer will keep supporting it for a while with upgrades.
Asus/Microsoft will prefer you to buy a new tablet with Windows 8 pre-installed when it becomes available.
I am not even sure I want to run Windows 8 on a tegra 2 tablet.
Maybe it's just me but tegra 2 already feels pretty slow.
Or you have this for have a windows 8 theme http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1555220
Anybody successfully ran native android on the Surface or Surface pro? I sall a video but no Wifi or Bluetooth were working he said. AnywayIf so has anyone heard of any plans for running it on the 2nd Surface?
Surface RT and surface 2, nothing has changed. Use search, there are threads for it already.
Surface pro. Android x86, but its poorly supported. Also Android-IA, poorly supported on the surface but working for one of the samsung tablets.
Right ok... I thought so its a shame that nobodys supporting it to well
Why the lolz would anyone want to run android on a surface pro?
No android apps need the raw CPU performance. Many games dont support x86. Can get a (poor) android tablet for the cost of the type cover for the surface.
So I can have 3 operating systems that i use most on one machine
Also bluestacks sucks I can't stand it.
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So I can have 3 operating systems that i use most on one machine
Also bluestacks sucks I can't stand it.
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Jar Of Beans is better than bluestacks. Android on x86 devices isn't much better when you factor in driver issues (wifi and bluetooth are often unsupported, even touch and sound go, androidIA only supports specific devices because they only have drivers for those devices) plus any app using the NDK (quite a few, even some of the built in apps) tend to only be compiled for ARMv7, not MIPS or x86, so alot of apps are broken (many of the google defaults thankfully are available in x86 variants, but you cant just copy them from your ARM phone or tablet as they will only have the ARMv7 binary not the x86 binary). Its just awkward.
Aw thats awesome! Interesting but its discontinued I wonder why I hope that doesn't cause and problems
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So I can have 3 operating systems that i use most on one machine
Also bluestacks sucks I can't stand it.
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But windows 8 alone can do things android only dreams about...
Right but andriod has most of my fun with hacking and games
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Right but andriod has most of my fun with hacking and games
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Windows 8 on x86 has probably more mods and hacks than all versions of android combined...
You can even make it look like windows 95 if you want...
I know but I haven't gotten in that experience yet lol
It would be awesome if you tell me a few of them!
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I know but I haven't gotten in that experience yet lol
It would be awesome if you tell me a few of them!
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