Hi Guys, need some feedback regarding these two phones. I'm planning to buy one but can't decide which. Do you have any pros and cons regarding these phones? What are the common problems you encounter? Your feedback is greatly appreciated
I currently use an Atom Exec and am trying to decide between a Touch Cruise and TyTN II myself.
The Exec is a Windows Mobile 5 phone as where the newer HTC phones like the Touch, TyTN II, and Touch Cruise have Windows Mobile 6 Pro.
My Atom Exec has served me well but not without problems. The minor issues I currently experience are:
1: If I try to run the phone with the built in hands free, it crackles on the receivers end. So I don’t use this…!
2: The screen ghosts every now and then, mostly I’ve noticed when its connecting to GPRS to download my emails.
3: Writing emails or SMS messages is a pain because you have to use the miniature keyboard. You can download a FREE copy of TouchPal but found it’s just easier typing with a qwerty keyboard rather a 2x letter per key option even if it is smaller.
I’m also trying to decide if I will enjoy having a Touch phone so at the moment I’m leaning to a TyTN II only because of the qwerty keyboard. I’ve been told to go to a store that has both phones and play with them there. A few people have said to me that I will love the Touch over the TyTN and shouldn’t have any problems getting use to the Touch On-Screen keyboard.
Anyway my 2 cents worth LOL….
Definiately get the Touch, I have a Touch Cruise and its very one handed use friendly. The included onscreen keyboards (I use the Touch Keypad) are great and you can get away with never using the mini stylus keyboard, which is great b/c thumb texting is much much faster than stulus texting. The Touch Flow software and HTC cube can be ported over to the Exec, but they really work sooooo much better on a flush screen. Out of those two devices, definitely get the Touch.
the touch (and especially the touch dual) are superior to the atom exec in just about every way, especially with a custom rom.
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I’m so stuck…..!
I’ve been reading raving reviews on both the HTC TyTN II & Touch Cruise and now confused as to which would be the better of the two for me!
I currently use an o2 Atom Exec and don’t mind it but the fact that I have to pull out the stylus every time I need to SMS or email someone, ****s me to tears.
Will I be doing the same on Touch Cruise? using my stylus rather than the touch capabilities? My biggest concern is the Touch keyboard, I haven’t been able to find a video preview of someone demonstraighting the way you would email or SMS using the Touch keyboard.
I’d really like to hear from anyone that has either the TyTN II or Touch Cruise and why they decided to go with the phone they did.
EDIT: NEVERMIND... I was looking at the Touch DUAL in my comments. Sorry about that!!
EDIT: NEVERMIND... I was looking at the Touch DUAL in my comments. Sorry about that!!
Well, I've played with the Touch, and the TyTN II, and I just bought a Touch Cruise. I was coming from a smartphone (w/keypad), so initially I wanted a Touch Dual. The lack of wifi killed it for me though.
Having a Touch Cruise, I can honestly say you get over not having physical keys/keyboard readily. The form factor on the Touch devices is also very impressive and well sized. Lastly, the flat screen makes a huge difference in usability of the Touch Flow software (so although you can add Touch Flow to the TyTN II, you really don't get the same feel).
Conclusion: If you can get over the lack of wifi and your aren't the type to compose books on your device go for the Dual. If you need wifi, consider upgrading to the Cruise. If you need a dedicated keyboard and don't mind the form factor and largeish size, go for the TyTN II.
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I went after much research for the Kaiser, by far the best.
Then I got a Touch Dual and now I'm turn
You should go around a few shops and play around with the handsets.
My Kaiser is like a brick, the Touch Dual is so smooth and slim.
Excellent advice Sonus.
How true, I also installed the TouchFlo software on my Atom Exec and yes it does the software no justice.
My problem at the moment is that the HTC Touch Cruise doesn’t get released in Australia for another 7 days and then our Telco’s probably want offer any deals for another month or so.
What I’d like is to physically play with a working Touch phone. Would it be fair to say that the HTC Touch has a similar OS to the HTC Touch Cruise? If so, then I can go to a PDA store & have a play with this phone instead to get an idea of the TouchFlo OS and what it would be like to type an email with the “Touch” Keyboard.
Obsydian,
That’s what worries me the most, I’ll buy the TyTN II and then a few weeks later I’ll get to have a play with the Cruise and I’ll kick myself for not waiting.
Tell me, is there any lag when you use the Touch keyboard. If I go and play with a HTC Touch will it give me a perfect example of what the Crusie will fell and work like?
I’m so itching for a new phone, I was very close to just ordering the TyTN II late night…..
Man I’m starting to lose sleep over this LOL……
blimpmedia said:
I’m so stuck…..!
I’d really like to hear from anyone that has either the TyTN II or Touch Cruise and why they decided to go with the phone they did.
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I have both devices currently. I own one of the pre-release Touch Cruises and I love it. At the same time, I am evaluating a development ROM on a Kaiser for an un-named source. In essence, with a modified ROM, the Touch interface functionality can be nearly the same on both devices with a slight edge going to the Cruise since it has the flush-faced screen made for the GUI.
I have been using the Kaiser (TYTN II) for the past week and I must say, I open the keyboard more times by accident than intentionally. I agree with the earlier comments that you get used to having no keyboard very fast. Cruise has FM Radio, while Kaiser does not. I played FM a little on day 1 of owning the Cruise and not again since. I stopped listening to FM years ago when I went to XM.
The BIG thing to notice is the BULK of the Kaiser, even though it is slimmed down a little from the earlier TYTN and the Wizard which preceeded it, it is a brick compared to the Cruise. In my area the Kaiser is $40-$50 more expensive than the Cruise. My vote for the Cruise is not for the cost, it's for the ability to turn heads and garner interest from others. The QWERTY-PDA's have been around for years now. The Touch GUI is new on the block and many folks like it because it is new and it's not from *pple.
I've written reviews for both devices now and the scale for me tips towards Cruise. By the way, I love the Teksoft keyboard on the Cruise. (search the Athena Forum for more info or google Teksoft)
Raskell, If I go to a local mobile store that stocks a Touch Dual will that give me an idea of what I’m up for with the cruise?
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Raskell, If I go to a local mobile store that stocks a Touch Dual will that give me an idea of what I’m up for with the cruise?
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Yes, I think it is a good idea to feel the Touch Dual or the original Touch for that matter, just to get a handle on the Touch GUI and to feel the sleekness of the device. Depending on where you live and which shop you visit, they may also have a TYTN ot a TYTN II. (If you've seen a Wizard, the TYTN's are upgraded hardware in the same size case, just a bit more style)
In the end, the sleek and solid lines and the less bulky feel of the Touch line should steer you towards the Cruise. It has all of the connectivity and options you should need in this price range. Apart from not having a VGA screen and a microdrive, it is feature for feature on par with the Athena, but that device is in a class of it's own (+size, +weight, +bulk, but storage and features galore)
Happy hunting and let us know how you do with the decision.
I just when to the local Phone store which had a HTC Touch & the TyTN II on display and asked if I could demo the Touch. I don’t understand these companies! They want us to spend over $1000 AU but don’t have a working demo to play with, boy that annoys me.
Now the sales person wouldn’t let me physically handle the Touch but he did installed the battery and turned the phone on for me to see it working. He showed me the onscreen keyboard in a qwerty 1x key per button and it seemed too small to try typing a short email/sms using your thumb. He mentioned that his girlfriend had the Touch and she still used her stylus a lot to type her sms messages.
I’m so confused and my wife is about to divorce me LOL…… unless someone can seriously convince me, I think I might head for the TyTN II. I really like the Touch Cruise but my biggest concern it the typing method.
So any HTC Touch Cruise owners I understand the Touch Cruise onscreen keyboard can be changed to x1 letter per key, what is your honest experience with this?
I’m not sure if this is possible, but am I able to install the onscreen keyboard used on the Touch Cruise on my Atom Exec to get a rough feel for it?
If so, where can I download it from?
I'm not sure why in the world his g/f would use the stylus keyboard as the main input, its much slower than using the included stock thumb keyboards.
The stock keyboard options on the cruise are a t9 keyboard(3keys per button), and a 20 key qwerty keyboard (2keys per button). If you want a full qwerty keyboard for thumb typing, you'll need to download something like pocketcm or zoomboard, or the big keyboard by spb.
Honestly, I can only imagine using a full qwerty keyboard in landscape mode. I ended up using the 12key T9 keyboard and I'm pretty fast on it, it has a really good T9 predictive engine, so I'm faster than some of my friends with full qwerty devices. But if you feel you *need* a qwerty keyboard, then the TytnII would be the way to go (I say need, b/c you may just find you can live w/o it). Good luck on your decision.
I'm trying to decide if i should get the TP or the diamond. I'm currently using a treo 750.
My main dilemma is i don't need a hardware keyboard, but i'm still considering the TP because of the performance improvements with the extra ram and stuff.
Are there any former diamond users that care to comment? is the performance improvement over the Diamond worth having the extra bulk , or is the main benefit with the TP primarily the keyboard. on the TP do you still find yourself hitting the software keyboard often making the hardware keyboard sort of not worth it?
The battery TV out, and removable flash don't matter to me.
If you don't need to upgrade right away, you could wait for the Touch HD. Should be same specs as the Raphael (RAM/ROM size), and the 800x480 3.8" screen should make for a nice on-screen keyboard, say with the upcoming Swype SIP.
For me, I do use the software keyboard quite often, but mainly because I use Japanese input (namely, Japanese handwriting recognition). The Diamond does that too, but the hardware keyboard ended up being a big selling point, since I can type very accurately and quite quickly without having to pull out the stylus -- imo, two thumbs are faster than one stylus.
But judging from the Swype demo vids, I think it will close the gap between the SIP and hardware keyboard, so if you don't need special input like me with Japanese, you can probably still get a good keyboarding experience on the Diamond.
I had the very same dilemma when the Diamond came out. Should I wait for TP or go with the Diamond...?
The main thing that convinced me to wait for TP was the microSD slot - 4GB in Diamond can be enough for most of the people but I knew it wouldn't be enough for me. And of course the memory card can be taken out (for whatever reason). If the Diamond would drop dead all my data would be lost... whereas with the memory card I would be able to save most of them.
The HW keyboard was just an extra feature which I didn't really need. Although I got used to it and I find myself using it more often than I would imagine...
If you are not short on money and you don't mind the size I would say go for the TP.
Went from TyTN II -> Diamond - and now Touch Pro; I have always loved the keyboard on the TyTN II and used it extensively ... Then I got the Diamond - although I liked it a lot - I missed the keyboard; I hate using the screen for typing/writing.
Got the Touch Pro 3 days ago - and it has all the nice features of the Diamond - AND a keyboard - love it. Only problem - it is still very thick; I don't understand why they cannot make them thinner ...
Oh - and keyboard is not as good on TyTN II sad to say; harder to hit the correct buttons.
As for the speed - I cannot tell the difference between Diamond <-> Touch Pro. Diamond speed is not a problem.
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you've got more things than just a keyboard
I picked the Pro over the diamond because of the keyboard. Yes a little thicker than the diamond but the keyboard was a big selling point for me being an ex blackberry user. Full qwerty is the way to go.
I was going to get the Touch dual with ½ qwerty but it would not be released in AUS for all Networks.
I am more than happy with my choice.
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Hey Raphael / Touch Pro users...
The Touch Pro was recently released in South Africa and im considering the move from my TyTN II to the Touch Pro!
There is alot of nice looking technology in the Touch Pro and its a beautiful looking device... Im just wondering if people are as unhappy after moving to the Touch Pro as they were after moving to the TyTN II / Kaiser???
Im enjoying the TyTN II, after alot of tweaking i managed to get it feeling good and with the addition of CorePlayer 1.2.5 we can now get around the disgusting video playback issue!
So my question is...
Is the Touch Pro worth it??
What do you guys think??
Thank you!!!!!!
I think it's pretty much on what you need? TP is my first WM device and I'm had up and downs experience. I know it's a new product but just the simple phone function is having issue (not for everyone, I have the mute problem).
I like the screen resolution, the speed is acceptable. The design is great. Anyway it's a cool phone. If you love tech and have the budget, TP sure a nice toy to play around with.
I'm still using my Kaiser as well, but yes I was very happy with the upgrade.
Next is replacing the Diamond with the Touch HD
It's a good question. I heavily used a TYTN II in place of a Blackberry and when I changed jobs in September I bought a Touch Pro and don't use it as much for email anymore, but still use this functionality.
The only thing I miss is the jog wheel, that was very handy although "flicking" the screen to scroll through the mail is just as easy - just different. It's what you get used to.
I have found a number of bugs with the Touch Pro that have been widely discussed on this forum such as GPS lag, answering calls whilst in your pocket etc etc but have cured almost all of them again thanks to responses on this forum.
The Touch Pro is asthetically pleasing where as the TYTN II was purely function over form, and it has really nice touches - such as FM Radio, Opera, YouTube player all built in.
However, am I completely satisfied with the Touch Pro ? No, not completely. The GPS issue is a particular problem as I use it fairly frequently, and I'm noticing that there is an occasional breakup of or jump of sounds - voice calls, MP3's, SMS message tones - like an old record jumping - which to me take the "polish" of an otherwise accomplished device.
If I had to spend my money again at this point in time, I would be hanging on to see what the Xperia was like and then choosing - I will be watching that one with interest myself !
Hey guys!
Thanks very much for the replies, especially Half Penny, that was a very comprehensive reply
Ive only been using HTC devices for 2 months, but ive moved fairly quickly through devices, P4350 -> TyTN I -> TyTN II and i must say that ive come to love the HTC quality, the feel and just the way everything works, which makes me immediately hesitant to move to the X1!
The other issue i have with the X1 (and the Touch HD) Is the WVGA resolution, im worried about compatibility with existing apps, games etc! The X1 is also (in my opinion) an ugly looking device... But (considering i was a TyTN I owner hehe) this doesnt bother me that much!
I want the hardware keyboard, its the reason i moved from "regular" cellphones to these devices, so all the other HTCs and various other devices are ruled out because of lack of the hardware keyboard!
I was hoping that the Touch Pro would iron out a few issues HTC were facing, the poor video playback, the poor 3D performance etc etc... To be honest, if this isnt the case and im not missing that much, i might stick with the TyTN II for a year or so and see what happens (unless i pick up a Touch Pro for a bargain hehe), i love the tilting screen, its something ive come to use alot and im unsure as to why they decided to not include it in their new devices!
Anyway guys, i just thought id open this 1 up for discussion, thanks alot for the great input so far
Pro's and Con's
Whilst the TyTn II is not the most exciting looking device HTC came out with, it was one of the most stable PDA's I have owned. If it had a VGA screen I would have not traded it for the Touch Pro.
OK, the TP is very sexy, has a great screen and keyboard and oodles of RAM. But it has to be the most unstable PDA I have used, with constant glitches and weird errors that cause me to soft reset a couple of times a day. I think there is a real need for HTC to bring out a new ROM build that irons out all the well publicised faults.
Having said that, I love the sheer coolness of this device and the WOW's I get from mates when they see it. So I am pleased I bought it and I wouldn't get rid of it any day soon. I will continue to put up with the glitches and keep checking these forums for solutions.
Would I recommend it? For those who want a functional office device that they toss into a briefcase without a care.... NO!
For those gadget junkies amongst us.... YES!
as for me the TyTn II will be my first and last HTC device
am gonna switch over to Xperia or G1 or even a smart touch phone(samsung-nokia)
cuz HTC dont have good updates and all there roms are useless and LATE
xfox said:
as for me the TyTn II will be my first and last HTC device
am gonna switch over to Xperia or G1 or even a smart touch phone(samsung-nokia)
cuz HTC dont have good updates and all there roms are useless and LATE
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Good thing you're well informed and you know what you're talking about. "will be my first and last HTC device...", "am gonna switch over to Xperia (HTC) or G1 (HTC) or even a smart touch phone"... The only 2 phone models you named are made by HTC.
Hey all,
In a couple weeks I'll be getting my upgrade, and I'm debating which device to go for, the Fuze/Touch Pro or the Tilt. One thing I'll be using it for is school related stuff...I'm getting a second Bachelor's in an engineering field, and there are plenty of good calc and engineering apps out there that would work equally well on either device. Another thing I'll be using it for is writing, I may have a job lined up writing an opinion column for the student publication, and I want something that I can write on anywhere I'm at, I may not always have a notebook pc with me. I know the keys will be smaller on the fuze, but besides that, how helpful is the tilting function on the Tilt for extended writing/typing sessions? As far as performance is concerned, the Tilt will be more than sufficient for what I'm looking for, so the ease of use in typing will be the deal breaker for me.
Thanks!
Colin
Well, despite the keys being smaller the keyboard on TP is much better. It has an extra row of keys which will help when typing numbers and the feel of the keys is great!
Few days of use and you will be typing blindfolded!
Personally I found the tilt useful. I do not like the back on the Touch Pro as the diamond profile makes typing on a flat surface unpleasant. The keys on the Touch are easy to press and I think a little more responsive than the Tytn II.
I have ordered a Touch HD which I note does not have this diamond gimic.
Try Calc98 for a good scientific calc.
Regards, D
I've got the two cels and even the Tilt-Kaiser has a nice kb the Touch Pro is way better in every sense....you need to feel it in action, is simply amazing.
I currently have a TyTN (Hermes 200) and am thinking about upgrading.
Maybe something used.
My biggest indecision is that I don't know if the next phone should have a slide out keyboard, or not. (Slide-out keyboard is nice, but makes for a thicker device)
I don't do heavy emailing or heavy texting... just the occasional ones.
Any thoughts/advice on which way to go? Maybe recommend a device?
P.S. I don't want an iPhone... I think i'd prefer to tick with an HTC device (WM or even Android)
here's a Touch HD & QWERTY thread discussion...maybe some info there:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437646&highlight=qwerty
Try and check out the ASUS P565. It is not an HTC phone, but something to consider since a brand new unit is about 500 something dollars. Here is a thread discussion with links: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446317
The upcoming Touch Pro2 and Touch Diamond2 look really nice. The former is more like the TyTN, and the latter is more like the TyTN without a keyboard. They're both pretty much the same, except the Diamond2 has a better camera and no keyboard. They will both ship with 6.1, but will be upgradable to WM6.5.
Dave
I will definitely replace my Hermes with the touch pro 2, at least if my battery survives that long.
One more for touch pro 2!!
Neither the Pro 2 or Diamond 2 can replace the Hermes adequately, since they don't have a scroll wheel and D-pad.
So other then the Touch Pro2, there are no other suggestions?
What are the thoughts on the Touch Pro? how is it compared to the tytn? Much faster?
yes, the touch pro (and se xperia X1, almost the same hardware, different looks) are a *LOT* faster then the TyTN, their 2 years newer, so that's expected offc
The major diff is the amount of memory, the tytn always rns of of memory at about any task. Other then that, the cpu on the tp is a lot fatser, it has a bigger VGA screen, ans a lot of nice stuff that you could or couldn't care about (tv-out, g-sensor etc.).
If you want a replacement for the tytn *now* get a touch pro or an X1 (personal choice), but if you can wait another 3-4 months (in europe at least) then the touch pro 2 would seem to be the best choice.