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Hi folks,
Well i am looking at the Cruise as a replacement for my TyTN II. I understand that under the hood, they are both pretty much the same.
I have realized a few things over the past month or two with my TyTN II;
1) I don't use the hardware keyboard as much as I thought I would (this was #1 reason for getting a TyTn II)
2) the hard keys on the front, the metallic panel is very wiggly
3) the chances of me breaking a TyTN II are more likely because of this tilting screen, loose control plates, etc
4) it's thick.
I have some questions/comments that I would love to have your input on to help me make a decision as I might be able to trade my TyTN II for a cruise.
1) In the Kaiser forum we have quite a few rom cookers and tweakers. I am not seeing to much of that here yet. Has anyone made a solid rom for this device yet?
2) The bottom left hard key looks like it's for GPS. I need a windows start button there instead, is that key re-mappable?
3) it's hard to see the hard keys a long the side. There is camera, power, anything else?
4) the circle directional key pad thing. Does that also function as a directional key pad, i.e. can i press up down left right, etc, and not just run my finger in a circular motion?
There are more questions but I can't remember at the moment.
I appreciate anyone's insight.
Thanks
Not too sure about the ROM cookers
I believe all the hard buttons are re-programmable
The circle directional key does function as a directional D-pad.
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1) In the Kaiser forum we have quite a few rom cookers and tweakers. I am not seeing to much of that here yet. Has anyone made a solid rom for this device yet?
2) The bottom left hard key looks like it's for GPS. I need a windows start button there instead, is that key re-mappable?
3) it's hard to see the hard keys a long the side. There is camera, power, anything else?
4) the circle directional key pad thing. Does that also function as a directional key pad, i.e. can i press up down left right, etc, and not just run my finger in a circular motion?
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To answer your questions
1. Considering that the Polaris was released recently, I think we're doing quite well. The first 2 XDA-DEV ROMs are on the way, and industry like dumping has begun.
2. That button is a programmalbe hard key (like the messaging on the Kaiser). So it can be done (I think... but I thought I'm gonna miss that button after the Hermes, but not really ).
3. There are Camerat, Power, Volume Slider, and Voice recording buttons on the sides.
4. Yes, it works as a 4-way D-pad.
Hmm so far so good guys.
I think I am liking the idea of how flush the screen is with the rest of the device. Right now I am typing using the touch keyboard on my kaiser, btu the kaiser has some grooves along the side where it meets the screen so it feels a little akward when usign to hands to type. I think with a flush screen to device that would be a bit more comfortable.
It's really hard to get myself over a hardware keyboard. I love it because it doesnt take up screen real estate, but I am not writing out word docs very often, usually just OneNote notes in point form.
It also just looks like there is less stuff to physically break on this thing, which I consider a plus.
I am glad to hear there are some xda roms coming, this is very important to me. i don't know what I'd do if I didnt have a solid Kaiser rom from xda members.
There are a couple of good youtube vids using that circular jog wheel, i need to see a few more. I am very concerned about loose parts, which the kaiser has 3 of (the screen, the hard keys on the front, and the jog wheel is a bit loose feeling too!)
On the Polaris only the Volume slider feels a bit flimsy, that's it... but it's massive as hell, it won't come off
briggs81 said:
Hmm so far so good guys.
I think I am liking the idea of how flush the screen is with the rest of the device. Right now I am typing using the touch keyboard on my kaiser, btu the kaiser has some grooves along the side where it meets the screen so it feels a little akward when usign to hands to type. I think with a flush screen to device that would be a bit more comfortable.
It's really hard to get myself over a hardware keyboard. I love it because it doesnt take up screen real estate, but I am not writing out word docs very often, usually just OneNote notes in point form.
It also just looks like there is less stuff to physically break on this thing, which I consider a plus.
I am glad to hear there are some xda roms coming, this is very important to me. i don't know what I'd do if I didnt have a solid Kaiser rom from xda members.
There are a couple of good youtube vids using that circular jog wheel, i need to see a few more. I am very concerned about loose parts, which the kaiser has 3 of (the screen, the hard keys on the front, and the jog wheel is a bit loose feeling too!)
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i am moving to the Orbit 2 (Touch Cruise) from the Tytn II. my primary reasons are (a) i didn't use the hardware keyboard as much as as thought i'd would and (b) after getting and using the Sprint (HTC) Touch, i like the flush screen and smaller size device. granted the Orbit 2 is taller and slightly thicker than the Touch, it's smaller and weighs less than the Tytn II. i'm finding that i can manage quite well with a keyboard-less device. the one exception is using my Blackjack II when i'm managing multiple projects; i have to compose more detailed email responses and prefer to do so with a static keyboard.
Well it's good to see that I am on the same page as some folks.
My biggest fear with the tytn ii was dropping it while the keyboard was out, that could be disastrous. Broken corpse of a device laying on the city bus floor. Scary.
Another question, the volume slider on the side, do you have to be in windows media player or audio manager for it to function as volume control, or will it change volume of the device no matter what screen you are on?
the tytn II's jog wheel only changes the volume if you have audio manager maximized, as it does more then just function as volume control.
I also own this device and I am pretty sure it would work with the cruise, well it should. I think (hope) it works with the radio as well, any one have it? probably not.. lol
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Another question, the volume slider on the side, do you have to be in windows media player or audio manager for it to function as volume control, or will it change volume of the device no matter what screen you are on?
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Until now I have been able to adjust the volume no matter what program is running and how (maximized/minimized). It works while running TomTom, it works while playing brokensword demo, it works without anyprogram running. It even works when the device is locked, don't know if that is really desirable but I think you can configure that behavior.
Have to note that I am a fresh owner so I am still customizing, testing and exploring the polaris...
i just HAVE gone from a Stellar to an Orbit 2 - partially because i can, and i'm a bot of a phone tart, and partially because i wanted a radio.
Leaving the keyboard issue aside, the Orbit 2 is quite simply the king of these sorts of devices - i have variously used:
XDA I, XDA II, IIi, IIs, Mini, Exec, Mitac A701, ETen G500, Eten Glofish (for about 4 seconds, it's awful), iPaq HW6915, Orbit, Stellar, Orbit 2 - ok, i've covered a lot of ground, and a period when this stuff is developing, but the Orbit 2, apart from having a rotten name sits on the top of the pile.
I also wasn't using the keyboard much, and the size and weight of the Stellar was annoying me, because i want something i can put in my pocket - though i loved the iPaq - the O2 (see what i did there?) has so many different on screen keyboard options that you will find something you are comfortable with, it's fast, it's quite nice to look at, and with the improved camera and radio it is exactly what i want - also
it takes Micro SDHC
the media player is loud
now, my reccomendation is based on my criteria, by definition, but if it's any comparison, this is the iPhone killer.
Thanks for all the input so far. I am still just trying to imagine myself with less hard keys. Pretty hard! Now I just need my dealer to give m ea good deal on my tytn II so i can get a cruise if i decide to! Getting closer though..
Anyone have any serious negatives they have found with using it, for yourself?
I may have come across something from keepign me from buying the cruise.
The FM Radio.
Do I HAVE to use the headset that comes with it to use the radio, or can I use my expensive HTC remote device?
It says it comes with a built in tuner, so I assume so, but just wanted to make sure..
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I may have come across something from keepign me from buying the cruise.
The FM Radio.
Do I HAVE to use the headset that comes with it to use the radio, or can I use my expensive HTC remote device?
It says it comes with a built in tuner, so I assume so, but just wanted to make sure..
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Yeah as far as i know you need to have the headset connected, as it works as an antenna as well!
I’m so stuck…..!
I’ve been reading raving reviews on both the HTC TyTN II & Touch Cruise and now confused as to which would be the better of the two for me!
I currently use an o2 Atom Exec and don’t mind it but the fact that I have to pull out the stylus every time I need to SMS or email someone, ****s me to tears.
Will I be doing the same on Touch Cruise? using my stylus rather than the touch capabilities? My biggest concern is the Touch keyboard, I haven’t been able to find a video preview of someone demonstraighting the way you would email or SMS using the Touch keyboard.
I’d really like to hear from anyone that has either the TyTN II or Touch Cruise and why they decided to go with the phone they did.
EDIT: NEVERMIND... I was looking at the Touch DUAL in my comments. Sorry about that!!
EDIT: NEVERMIND... I was looking at the Touch DUAL in my comments. Sorry about that!!
Well, I've played with the Touch, and the TyTN II, and I just bought a Touch Cruise. I was coming from a smartphone (w/keypad), so initially I wanted a Touch Dual. The lack of wifi killed it for me though.
Having a Touch Cruise, I can honestly say you get over not having physical keys/keyboard readily. The form factor on the Touch devices is also very impressive and well sized. Lastly, the flat screen makes a huge difference in usability of the Touch Flow software (so although you can add Touch Flow to the TyTN II, you really don't get the same feel).
Conclusion: If you can get over the lack of wifi and your aren't the type to compose books on your device go for the Dual. If you need wifi, consider upgrading to the Cruise. If you need a dedicated keyboard and don't mind the form factor and largeish size, go for the TyTN II.
Touch Dual
I went after much research for the Kaiser, by far the best.
Then I got a Touch Dual and now I'm turn
You should go around a few shops and play around with the handsets.
My Kaiser is like a brick, the Touch Dual is so smooth and slim.
Excellent advice Sonus.
How true, I also installed the TouchFlo software on my Atom Exec and yes it does the software no justice.
My problem at the moment is that the HTC Touch Cruise doesn’t get released in Australia for another 7 days and then our Telco’s probably want offer any deals for another month or so.
What I’d like is to physically play with a working Touch phone. Would it be fair to say that the HTC Touch has a similar OS to the HTC Touch Cruise? If so, then I can go to a PDA store & have a play with this phone instead to get an idea of the TouchFlo OS and what it would be like to type an email with the “Touch” Keyboard.
Obsydian,
That’s what worries me the most, I’ll buy the TyTN II and then a few weeks later I’ll get to have a play with the Cruise and I’ll kick myself for not waiting.
Tell me, is there any lag when you use the Touch keyboard. If I go and play with a HTC Touch will it give me a perfect example of what the Crusie will fell and work like?
I’m so itching for a new phone, I was very close to just ordering the TyTN II late night…..
Man I’m starting to lose sleep over this LOL……
blimpmedia said:
I’m so stuck…..!
I’d really like to hear from anyone that has either the TyTN II or Touch Cruise and why they decided to go with the phone they did.
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I have both devices currently. I own one of the pre-release Touch Cruises and I love it. At the same time, I am evaluating a development ROM on a Kaiser for an un-named source. In essence, with a modified ROM, the Touch interface functionality can be nearly the same on both devices with a slight edge going to the Cruise since it has the flush-faced screen made for the GUI.
I have been using the Kaiser (TYTN II) for the past week and I must say, I open the keyboard more times by accident than intentionally. I agree with the earlier comments that you get used to having no keyboard very fast. Cruise has FM Radio, while Kaiser does not. I played FM a little on day 1 of owning the Cruise and not again since. I stopped listening to FM years ago when I went to XM.
The BIG thing to notice is the BULK of the Kaiser, even though it is slimmed down a little from the earlier TYTN and the Wizard which preceeded it, it is a brick compared to the Cruise. In my area the Kaiser is $40-$50 more expensive than the Cruise. My vote for the Cruise is not for the cost, it's for the ability to turn heads and garner interest from others. The QWERTY-PDA's have been around for years now. The Touch GUI is new on the block and many folks like it because it is new and it's not from *pple.
I've written reviews for both devices now and the scale for me tips towards Cruise. By the way, I love the Teksoft keyboard on the Cruise. (search the Athena Forum for more info or google Teksoft)
Raskell, If I go to a local mobile store that stocks a Touch Dual will that give me an idea of what I’m up for with the cruise?
blimpmedia said:
Raskell, If I go to a local mobile store that stocks a Touch Dual will that give me an idea of what I’m up for with the cruise?
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Yes, I think it is a good idea to feel the Touch Dual or the original Touch for that matter, just to get a handle on the Touch GUI and to feel the sleekness of the device. Depending on where you live and which shop you visit, they may also have a TYTN ot a TYTN II. (If you've seen a Wizard, the TYTN's are upgraded hardware in the same size case, just a bit more style)
In the end, the sleek and solid lines and the less bulky feel of the Touch line should steer you towards the Cruise. It has all of the connectivity and options you should need in this price range. Apart from not having a VGA screen and a microdrive, it is feature for feature on par with the Athena, but that device is in a class of it's own (+size, +weight, +bulk, but storage and features galore)
Happy hunting and let us know how you do with the decision.
I just when to the local Phone store which had a HTC Touch & the TyTN II on display and asked if I could demo the Touch. I don’t understand these companies! They want us to spend over $1000 AU but don’t have a working demo to play with, boy that annoys me.
Now the sales person wouldn’t let me physically handle the Touch but he did installed the battery and turned the phone on for me to see it working. He showed me the onscreen keyboard in a qwerty 1x key per button and it seemed too small to try typing a short email/sms using your thumb. He mentioned that his girlfriend had the Touch and she still used her stylus a lot to type her sms messages.
I’m so confused and my wife is about to divorce me LOL…… unless someone can seriously convince me, I think I might head for the TyTN II. I really like the Touch Cruise but my biggest concern it the typing method.
So any HTC Touch Cruise owners I understand the Touch Cruise onscreen keyboard can be changed to x1 letter per key, what is your honest experience with this?
I’m not sure if this is possible, but am I able to install the onscreen keyboard used on the Touch Cruise on my Atom Exec to get a rough feel for it?
If so, where can I download it from?
I'm not sure why in the world his g/f would use the stylus keyboard as the main input, its much slower than using the included stock thumb keyboards.
The stock keyboard options on the cruise are a t9 keyboard(3keys per button), and a 20 key qwerty keyboard (2keys per button). If you want a full qwerty keyboard for thumb typing, you'll need to download something like pocketcm or zoomboard, or the big keyboard by spb.
Honestly, I can only imagine using a full qwerty keyboard in landscape mode. I ended up using the 12key T9 keyboard and I'm pretty fast on it, it has a really good T9 predictive engine, so I'm faster than some of my friends with full qwerty devices. But if you feel you *need* a qwerty keyboard, then the TytnII would be the way to go (I say need, b/c you may just find you can live w/o it). Good luck on your decision.
I'm trying to decide if i should get the TP or the diamond. I'm currently using a treo 750.
My main dilemma is i don't need a hardware keyboard, but i'm still considering the TP because of the performance improvements with the extra ram and stuff.
Are there any former diamond users that care to comment? is the performance improvement over the Diamond worth having the extra bulk , or is the main benefit with the TP primarily the keyboard. on the TP do you still find yourself hitting the software keyboard often making the hardware keyboard sort of not worth it?
The battery TV out, and removable flash don't matter to me.
If you don't need to upgrade right away, you could wait for the Touch HD. Should be same specs as the Raphael (RAM/ROM size), and the 800x480 3.8" screen should make for a nice on-screen keyboard, say with the upcoming Swype SIP.
For me, I do use the software keyboard quite often, but mainly because I use Japanese input (namely, Japanese handwriting recognition). The Diamond does that too, but the hardware keyboard ended up being a big selling point, since I can type very accurately and quite quickly without having to pull out the stylus -- imo, two thumbs are faster than one stylus.
But judging from the Swype demo vids, I think it will close the gap between the SIP and hardware keyboard, so if you don't need special input like me with Japanese, you can probably still get a good keyboarding experience on the Diamond.
I had the very same dilemma when the Diamond came out. Should I wait for TP or go with the Diamond...?
The main thing that convinced me to wait for TP was the microSD slot - 4GB in Diamond can be enough for most of the people but I knew it wouldn't be enough for me. And of course the memory card can be taken out (for whatever reason). If the Diamond would drop dead all my data would be lost... whereas with the memory card I would be able to save most of them.
The HW keyboard was just an extra feature which I didn't really need. Although I got used to it and I find myself using it more often than I would imagine...
If you are not short on money and you don't mind the size I would say go for the TP.
Went from TyTN II -> Diamond - and now Touch Pro; I have always loved the keyboard on the TyTN II and used it extensively ... Then I got the Diamond - although I liked it a lot - I missed the keyboard; I hate using the screen for typing/writing.
Got the Touch Pro 3 days ago - and it has all the nice features of the Diamond - AND a keyboard - love it. Only problem - it is still very thick; I don't understand why they cannot make them thinner ...
Oh - and keyboard is not as good on TyTN II sad to say; harder to hit the correct buttons.
As for the speed - I cannot tell the difference between Diamond <-> Touch Pro. Diamond speed is not a problem.
/Inc
you've got more things than just a keyboard
I picked the Pro over the diamond because of the keyboard. Yes a little thicker than the diamond but the keyboard was a big selling point for me being an ex blackberry user. Full qwerty is the way to go.
I was going to get the Touch dual with ½ qwerty but it would not be released in AUS for all Networks.
I am more than happy with my choice.
Subject to standard tweaks and mods found in this forum
I'm a two year Kaiser user and have been happy with it generally. But the small screen and resolution, plus sluggish CPU is making me want to upgrade.
However HTC (and seemingly other manufacturers) seem to be shifting all UI interaction to the screen only (practically). I know I'm not the only one saddened by this, as d-pads and jog dials have their place and offer guaranteed responsiveness and precision which no screen tech can easily match. Unless you have fingers that look like stylii and a permanently steady hand.
Anyway, I'm just interested to hear if there are other people out there wishing for a Touch Pro 3 / Leo / Kaiser hybrid? Nice big screen, Snapdragon but a little d-pad squirrelled away at the bottom and jogger on the side. I wouldn't mind the phone being a bit longer to make it all fit.
Oh and I'm a business user and can appreciate that on a device like the Leo aimed more at the mass-market, the missing buttons aren't so important. But I think the Touch Pro line could do with them.
More than agree!
hardware keyboard is a must for me also, 2 lines of production I can see:
One for more multimedia non professional use like Leo and the second with more business capabilities like the keyboard
I´m sure TP3 will come out with larger screen, snapdragon and more surprises, but we have to wait at least 6 months for that.
just my opinion
Here some possible options:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=556749
i agree completely !
one of the things that i hate about mobile phone design is that everyone thinks that to make a better phone than the iphone you have to copy it rather than take the best ideas and improve on them.
i'm eagerly awaiting news of the touch pro 3 (rather than the touch hd2 / leo) because a hardware keyboard is important to me - i'm hoping that they'll include a scroll wheel and d-pad like my old kaiser in a form factor of my current xperia with a decent processor and the latest version of tf3d. they're all htc devices so it shouldn't be too hard ...
I agree, too. I still use my iPaq 210 daily not only because of the 4in screen, but for the dpad. It just doesn't feel like a pda without one. I would actually prefer phones to come wit jog dials on the side, but that's just a personal preference. How are we supposed to get anything done without them? I recently got a TD2, and while i like it, i don't think I will ever have it replace both my phone and PDA for lack of buttons. The main reason my BA was used so long was for all of its buttons.
I'm surprised to see people sticking up for jog dials -- I'd argue that the dial on my Kaiser is terrible, and WM doesn't handle 'em well anyways.
Dpads are nice, though. I'm particularly fond of the "stealth" pad on the Touch Pro.
At the same time, they're getting less and less useful. As more and more apps are designed to be finger-friendly, the usefulness of the dpad will decrease. I already find myself using it much less than I did, say, two years ago.
I agree that they are being used less in programs, but honestly how could you like the touch pro dpad? It is probably the worst i've ever used
typo said:
As more and more apps are designed to be finger-friendly, the usefulness of the dpad will decrease. I already find myself using it much less than I did, say, two years ago.
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Finger friendliness is one thing, but buttons just can't be beaten in some cases. E.g. I use Profimail for email and when replying, I often need to position the text cursor (?) at the very top. If I do this with a finger it's very tricky to get it in the right place. Or positioning the cursor between the words for adding / removing characters etc. is easier with a D-pad. Or when walking and wanting to do things on the phone without giving the full concentration you'd need by focussing on and positioning your finger on the display.
I agree though the usefulness is decreasing but I just don't think it will ever decrease to the point the D-Pad should be removed, but HTC obviously do.
But people are concentrating on the benefits of faster cpus and forgetting the drawbacks of slower input.
My trusty Kaiser was stolen by Bangkok motorbike bandits :-(
I have had a look at HTC's latest offerings & the build quality is a bit flimsy for my liking considering the price tag !
I like a keyboard so options become more limited.
I can get a Vodafone Touch Pro for sensible money, is it a worth while upgrade, worried about the graphics speed, key mapping issues plus the useless d-pad design.
Basically how much better is the touch pro to the kaiser.
Thanks,
Got the Touch Pro for Christmas and took a while to get used to it but now there is no going back
VGA is so much nicer than QVGA regards graphics text etc.
TF3D looks so lush compared to M2D.
The amount of on board storage is amazing no more having to install everything to SD.
CPU speed is a defo bonus have noticed with games i play etc.
HW Keyboard is so much better regards typing and the extra row for no's i never used to use the Kaiser keyboard now with TP always use.
I'll agree not great for key mapping but are solutions, the d-pad design takes some getting used to as smaller\flush.
All i can say is go for it you will like and to be honest for the money i think the only substantial update from Kaiser.
That's a bummer about the loss. But, get the Touch Pro which is a step up!
Thanks for the replies.
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Got the Touch Pro for Christmas and took a while to get used to it but now there is no going back
VGA is so much nicer than QVGA regards graphics text etc.
TF3D looks so lush compared to M2D.
The amount of on board storage is amazing no more having to install everything to SD.
CPU speed is a defo bonus have noticed with games i play etc.
HW Keyboard is so much better regards typing and the extra row for no's i never used to use the Kaiser keyboard now with TP always use.
I'll agree not great for key mapping but are solutions, the d-pad design takes some getting used to as smaller\flush.
All i can say is go for it you will like and to be honest for the money i think the only substantial update from Kaiser.
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What games do you play & do you have any issues due to button mapping & d-pad design ?
I played duke nukem, micropool, asphalt 3d, block breaker & chess on kaiser
I assume the build quality is very good with the touch pro, what's your opinion.
I also used my kaiser as an mp3 player, I assume from reading threads that touch pro should be better in this area.
After looking at the current creaky flimsy htc models I just can not part with serious $ for them so it looks like I'm bound for a touch pro & yet more months of tweaking & mortscript writing
Thanks for the replies
The main game playing on TP is Need For Speed and the graphics are sweet, playing Tripplix & Bejeweled too.
Build quality is good have to say i'm handling with more care as the Kaiser was a brick and could withstand anything i wouldn't put as much faith in the TP.
Has been good as an .mp3 \ video player, regards video it's defo better than Kaiser and has Radio "have to use the wired head set for signal"
You have volume control straight there on side and i have pretty much everything needed in 2-3 taps, there is software to do it just so busy making the device mine in kitchen not got around to it.
I think the main thing i like about it is the TF3D interface everything has fluid motion & 100% working landscape with TF3D 2.1, the gyrator is amazing being able to shake the device to turn off alarm in morning "using g-alarm" and just tweaky programs that use it.
Not sure what else to say? Apart from "just do it"
As a mechanical engineer I loved the Kaisers solid build & movements.
Hopefully the Touch Pro will surpise me or at least meet my satisfaction.
I have one on its way, on your head be it "Stylez" if I don't like it
Thanks.... !
Have to chuckle
You will like
Have fun when comes it may take a while to fall in love as it did me since the Kaiser is so well built but you will grow to love and then never put her down
Mmm ! I'm getting the feeling I've been mugged twice !! lol
I assume the build qualiy is pretty solid on the TP ? above average ?
Most reviews give it high ratings.
Oh well, soon be able to rate it myself
lol no you miss reading me
The Kaiser was a brick built like a tank no more modern devices could take a round from an ak47, moving onto any device will be change and a big one i had was not having a ROM to my specification to which time in the kitchen has sorted as you will know a device is more loved when made pimped to how you want.
The device is awesome
I'll let you know my opinion once I've got my hands on it & spent a little time together.
Thanks for your opinions. Helped me make the decision to go for the TP & save a fair few £'s over a new HTC model.
I think it's worth paying a little more for a Touch Pro 2. It tilts like the Kaiser, has higher resolution, and is just a better phone in my opinion. But if price is your issue, TP is fine or even getting another Kaiser is not bad. Kaiser's are dirt cheap on eBay nowadays.
I would either go with a Kaiser or jump to a TP2. The TP has a few quirks that I don't like (gets hot after a few minutes of usage) among a few other things.
Got a Touch Pro
well I went for the Touch Pro due to the fact I like the size, design & the spec should meet my needs.
I could of gone for the Touch Pro 2 but after handling one I was not willing to pay the price tag for the cheap feel of the device plus it is quite big.
The Touch Pro is a very capable device & can be had for sensible money making it a great buy.
Currently have mine running TAEL WM6.5.5 standard ROM & hours of tweaking.
I am happy with the device, slider could of been a little better !
Likes:
Great sound quality for mp3 playback (using 3.5 adaptor & SE w880 headphones)
Nice Screen
Tactile keyboard
Plenty of apps & support to resolve most users issues
build quality is good
nice sized device, not too big not too small
good amount of memory and RAM
Dislikes:
D-Pad fiddly to use
battery could do with more Mah
Keyboard Slider is not the smoothest or strongest feeling
A couple more hardware buttons would of been useful
This device is simply a good buy & can be had new for around £150
Got mine from Vodafone & was supplied unlocked.
Thanks for helping me with my quandary :-D
Glad you like
Cost the same as i paid and @ that the device is a steal.
Good choice; Indeed the D-pad sucks, especially in games like Call of duty 2 (which can be hardware-accelerated on the raphael).
You can always buy a bigger battery, though your raphael will get thicker if you do that.