Ｗhere to install software in WM5 PPC?
Which way can makes the WM5 PPC runs smoother? Install program in Built-in storage? Or in SD card?
if it's himalaya or blue angel i'd say on the ram disk
otherwise i'd say storage
sd would prob be the slowest place
Rudegar said:
if it's himalaya or blue angel i'd say on the ram disk
otherwise i'd say storage
sd would prob be the slowest place
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A connected query pl. Can I make RAMDisk as my default installation location? I mean that when we load any prog on WM5 PPC(XDA-2) it asks us the option main memory/RAMDisk/Card storage . I want that that istead of asking this option every time I load a prog it should load that on RAMDisk by default without asking for option. Is it possible???? :?: :?:
Rudegar said:
if it's himalaya or blue angel i'd say on the ram disk
otherwise i'd say storage
sd would prob be the slowest place
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I am using XDA Neo. So which way is the best?
c_shekhar: This can be solved by removing "InstallPath" string from the cab. Just edit the inf file.
isomaniac: It all depends on what program you're installing. Any program that runs on startup must be in main memory as well as any app you will use with content from different cards (like MP3's).
Everything else can go on the SD. With most apps and good cards the delay in loading is insignificant. Keep in mind that after ext ROM installation you have about 30MB free on the device and you can't move things like contacts and emails to the SD.
Also, rings should be in main memory so they will load after standby.
levenum said:
c_shekhar: This can be solved by removing "InstallPath" string from the cab. Just edit the inf file.
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Do you mean that I have to edit all the cab files I am to install on the device??(I install approx 40-50 cabs on the device). I think there should be a betted and more scientific method for this like tweaking the registry of the device or replacing the loading program etc.....
Any body to comment :? :?
Since JUN 2005 no solution to this problem of installing the cab on RAMDisk by default????
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Hi folks,
is there a way to place TT N3 on my 512 MB SD card? Since I've got the maps on it and TT N3 is of no use without them, I just would find it logical to put them together and remove the whole lot by taking the SD out.
The BT GPS receiver software should still stay on the MDA.
Thanks
It wont work because some files are also written to the main memory even if you choose sd card as install destination.
You can move the app itself over to SD but performance suffers badly and it results in frequent lock-ups. It's not a supported configuration and best avoided.
During installation of TTN3 I installed the app on Storage Card and not in Main memory. Indeed a few items are installed on main memory, but the main app itself resides on CD Card. I have not experienced a lockup o f TTN3 during normal use.
I am a happy user of TTN3 on SD Card.
O2 XDA-I 32 MB:
ROM Version: 4.01.16 ENG
ROM Date: 02/04/04
Radio Version: 4.16.00
Protocol version: 32S54
The lockups occur most on MDAII/XDA2/Qtek2020/iMate.
It is all dependent on the max. data-transfer rate of your SD-card.
I can run from SD fine, IF I do not use POI.
BTW: I dont see the advantage for MDAII/XDA2/Qtek2020/iMate to run completely from SD. With every Hard-reset you will have to re-install because of the tiny bits that are installed in main memory.
For XDA1 I can imaginge that limited memory space is a reason.
tomtom on sd
i have tomtom on my sd!
it can be done!
The app and all components in their own folders on the sd!
From my experience installing TomTom on the SD card does not seem to work to good…
Poor performance huh!!!!
hmmm not sure about the poor performance!
Could you advise me of what I will gain by adding TomTom3 to my XDA rather than my 512mb SD card?
I would love to know what I am missing out on speed wise! :lol:
After a short amount of time TomTom just starts to slow down and then dies!! - Installing TomTom into Main Memory or Storage/ExtRom works fine...
Jimbob, are you saying that you could remove your sd card and have a complete install of tomtom 3 on it, if you try the sd in another phone/pda I think you will find errors thrown up because files will be missing.
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cruisin-thru
You are correct!
I have tried it! it works fine!
merlin_uk
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Thats not how it works!
If you had any shred of brains, you will know that processes only run as quick as the item they are running on!
As long as all other apps and utils are not running, TomTom will run at full capacity!
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JimBobUK, please remove your comments towards myself from this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=61794#61794
I was only talking from my experience... there is no need to be nasty!!
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JimBobUk, there are other ways to point out that someone is wrong. Merlin was not offensive, so no reason for you to react like that.
now for the issue:
My experience is that TomTom can lock-up IF the data transfer rates of your SD-card are not high enough. I experienced this. It has nothing to do with TomTom itself, but with the maps/poi files.
I would like to know HOW you did install tomTom on the SD card completely. When I tried it I noticed some bits that were installed in main memory. Also the registry settings are in main memory. THIS means that if you put your SD-card in another (similar) device TomTom wont work. Also, after a hard-reset TomTom wont work.
These findings were reason enough for me NOT to install TomTom itself on SD.
Our US Editor is always looking for ways to install SatNav to memory cards and leave as much precious system memory free. He has been investigating which components of TomTom can safely be installed to a memory card and which need to remain in main memory.
His findings are about to be published in a short guide he has prepared on how best to achieve this with Tomtom Navigator. It requires some work and mods to the registry and there are parts of the install that need to be left installed in main memory if you want a stable system as well as registry entries etc.
It is not possible to install every element of TomTom Navigator to SD such that transferring the card to another device will allow access to TomTom.
i will put my card in another device that does not have TT3 installed and give you the results
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So there’s no confusion, I thought I would restate my experiences when installing and using TomTom 3 on an SD Storage Card…
When installing TomTom, for the application I specified that the installed location would be the SD Storage Card. Installation went smoothly and the following components were installed as follows:
Installed onto the SD Storage Card:
TomTom Navigator Voice
TomTom Navigator
Installed into Main Memory:
TomTom Wizard
TomTom GPS
What happens is that the components TomTom Navigator Voice and TomTom Navigator get installed on to the target specified during installation and components TomTom Wizard and TomTom GPS always get installed into Main Memory.
I then install the TomTom Maps on to the SD Storage Card.
The above installation all seemed to worked perfectly… but what I was finding was that when using TomTom in the car and after some time driving, TomTom seemed to slow down… what I mean by this is that the refreshing of the screen slowed down and began to become jerky… some time after this the device would hang which meant doing a soft reset (a little difficult when driving!!)
So I uninstalled TomTom and then reinstalled it, but this time I stated that the installed location for the application would be Main Memory, which meant that only the TomTom Maps would be installed onto the SD Storage Card. By doing this, it all seemed to fix the problem for me…. at the time I did not have time to investigate the reasons why I was having these problems, I just needed to have a working version of TomTom that I could rely on in the car.
The problem could not be anything to do with the number of processes running as I always made a point of closing everything first before running TomTom. Also if it was a process problem, then this would have affected TomTom irrespective of whether it was run from Main Memory or Storage Card.
My conclusion at the time was that it was not going to be suitable for me to run TomTom from the SD Storage Card, and therefore decided to install to Main Memory instead. This has recently changed, however, and I now run TomTom 3 from my Extended Rom which all seems to work great and frees up my Main Memory.
I hope this clarifies my experiences with TomTom 3.
Has anyone else got problems recieving phone calls whilst using TTN3 ?, my phone wont ring whilst TTN3 is running and i seem to miss all my calls,
Is there a solution to this at all ?
Cheers
merlin_uk said:
I now run TomTom 3 from my Extended Rom which all seems to work great and frees up my Main Memory.
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Probably a silly question, but how did u install TT3 to ur X. ROM?
Smiley
smiley_thing69 said:
Probably a silly question, but how did u install TT3 to ur X. ROM? Smiley
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When you run the installer you choose 'Storage Card' rather than 'Main Memory' but this does not install everything to storage card.
We will be publishing an in-depth guide to how to move everything that can be safely run from the storage card shortly at PocketGPSWorld. There are a few small files that need to be left in main memory to ensure stability.
smiley_thing69 said:
Probably a silly question, but how did u install TT3 to ur X. ROM?
Smiley
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I used the ExtendedRom Unlocker to gain access to the ExtRom, the download can be found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/download.php?id=567
I then copied the content from the ExtRom to my SD Storage Card and then deleted everything from the ExtRom.
When reinstalling TomTom you should now be able to select the ExtendedRom as the target installation location...
TomTom SD Card Install?
Hello,
Does anyone know whether it's possible to put an install for Tom Tom onto an SD Card?
I've got to install TT onto like 70 M1000s then ship them out. I'm concerned that the battery may die in transit and main memory will be wiped. In which case TT will need re-installing :evil:
I've gotta get an activation code for each copy of TT before installing it onto the M1000 and the install takes over 30mins
With activesync I'm not able to install it onto more than one unit at any one time but if I could copy the files direct to SD card and run the install from there I could save myself a lot of time and hassle! Plus if the battery runs out I could fire up the install and everything would be sweet.
My concern is putting the install onto the SD card and passing the activation code to it.
If anyone knows an answer to this I'd be grateful for some pointers!
Thanks
Hello, everyone... How ya doing?
I have an O2 XDA IIs with WM5... I already solved the reset problems, but there is something I want to know... Is there a way to change the TEMP file to the Storage Card? I dont want the Temporary Internet Files on my Storage Card, only the TEMP folder...
There are some games that I cant play on my PPC, because the Storage memory is limited to 60mb and ya always install some software there because ya cant installed in the SD Card so its decreased the storage memory... So when I run the game, I wait a lot and pops out a Low Storage Memory warning, I close the popup and I have to delete all the files that has the temp folders that installed the game...
Hope ya can help me with this~ I only need to change the temp folder to the SD Card... Im sorry if there is a thread bout this but I couldnt find it...
Thanks~ Im looking forward for yar answer...
P.S: Already did it~ Thanks anyways... Even though that I dont have anymore the low memory warnings, I cannot play the games yet... Probably might that is not compatible with wm5...
Kdog86 said:
Hello, everyone... How ya doing?
I have an O2 XDA IIs with WM5... I already solved the reset problems, but there is something I want to know... Is there a way to change the TEMP file to the Storage Card? I dont want the Temporary Internet Files on my Storage Card, only the TEMP folder...
There are some games that I cant play on my PPC, because the Storage memory is limited to 60mb and ya always install some software there because ya cant installed in the SD Card so its decreased the storage memory... So when I run the game, I wait a lot and pops out a Low Storage Memory warning, I close the popup and I have to delete all the files that has the temp folders that installed the game...
Hope ya can help me with this~ I only need to change the temp folder to the SD Card... Im sorry if there is a thread bout this but I couldnt find it...
Thanks~ Im looking forward for yar answer...
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Definitely. I'ts just a simple registry setting (there's a reg value in the Registry that specifies the temp directory; this can, of course, be relocated to a card). Now I'm over GPRS and can't run extensive searches, but you'll surely find it in my blog, in my WM5 & iPAQ hx4700-related articles.
I know this was a problem in WM5, but is there any way in WM6 to force it to use more memory for Programme's instead of Storage.
I have 20 MB for storage, but only <10 MB for memory.
The problem is that is get a lof of "out of memory" errors when I'm using iGO (SE) and therefore want more 'real' memory to work with (I do not use 20 for storage)
Anyone got a "tweak / software / trick" to do this?
Storage is flash, program is RAM. The two are totally different on WM5 and newer devices compares to WM2003se and older devices.
The Himalaya is not an example of tweaking the allocation as this was not a WM5 device.
AlanJC said:
Storage is flash, program is RAM. The two are totally different on WM5 and newer devices compares to WM2003se and older devices.
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Yes, I know that in wm2003 you could easely change the amount between these two. I noticed that everytime WM5/WM6 is started there was a different mount of flash/ram, so WM is changing this every time ?!?! (so you could manuputalte this?)
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The Himalaya is not an example of tweaking the allocation as this was not a WM5 device.
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What do you mean with that (I have a universal / T-mobile MDA pro)?!
The only WM5 device you can change the amount of RAM vs Storage is the Himalaya, this is because it was a WM2003 device and it used RAM for both storage, and RAM to run apps in.
WM5 devices don't use RAM to store things in, just the partitioned area of ROM.
You can not use ROM to run things, you only have the RAM, so if you are running out of space, your only option is to run less.
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You can not use ROM to run things
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Unless, the universal had NOR based ROM, which could XIP
Storage vs. Program memory
Liquid said:
I know this was a problem in WM5, but is there any way in WM6 to force it to use more memory for Programme's instead of Storage.
I have 20 MB for storage, but only <10 MB for memory.
The problem is that is get a lof of "out of memory" errors when I'm using iGO (SE) and therefore want more 'real' memory to work with (I do not use 20 for storage)
Anyone got a "tweak / software / trick" to do this?
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Man! You would have read my mind! I was discussing the very same subject this morning with a friend of mine, but unfortunately he was unable to explain (he's a nokia freak), so I could save a new thread by sharing my views over here.
My query was if Uni has got 128ROM and 64RAM, Eten M700 has got 128ROM and 64RAM. Now, how does the respective reading be Program Total: 48.07 MB & Storage Total: 43.72 MB (cooked rom below)? Whereas M700 has got 128ROM and 64RAM, reading is Program 47.52 MB & Storage 70.24 MB!
If I drop a ringtone or copy an image or even an application, would it utilises storage or program? If I install a cab file, would it go to program or storage? I am facing a terrible issue when I use couple of applications even after closing them, I lose about 10 MB! I know some cooked ROMs had a program memory of 52 MB!
Any one could explain?
BTW, what's XIP?
Cyber-mate said:
If I drop a ringtone or copy an image or even an application, would it utilises storage or program?
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Storage. WM5+ uses 'storage' to store apps
Cyber-mate said:
If I install a cab file, would it go to program or storage?
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Again, storage(this includes other storage media like extended rom and storage card)
Cyber-mate said:
BTW, what's XIP?
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XIP=eXecute In Place. This is a common property of NOR based flash media. NAND based flash media cannot XIP. XIP lets the apps to execute in the ROM itself.
XIP is mostly used by Palm in their Treos to store the OS
kdskamal said:
Storage. WM5+ uses 'storage' to store apps
Again, storage(this includes other storage media like extended ROM and storage card)
XIP=execute In Place. This is a common property of NOR based flash media. NAND based flash media cannot XIP. XIP lets the apps to execute in the ROM itself.
XIP is mostly used by Palm in their Treos to store the OS
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Big thank you for the explain. Now, what about the difference in total memory reading among different PDAs?
Is possible use a part of my micro-SD on wm6 as program memory?
In a word, no.
Have a look at an SD card. There are only 8 contacts on it. It behaves as a serial disk drive as far as your phone/PPC is concerned, even though it attached to the "\Storage Card" mount point. The storage can be used by the phone but it is not directly addressable by the 32 bits of the CPU. It can only be paged in and out similar to the swap file on your PC.
Ok...
thanks for the reply
Is there any programm that allows you to use it as swap?
(Do you mean something as the virtual panging that windows do on the hard disk?)
Sorry, I think it's still no.
There is a lot of chatter on this over at
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/11/17/494177.aspx
But the prognosis does not look good.
the least you can do is install as many applications as you can on your storage card...
tho not all apps can be installed on it.
remember, that if you used any software to make a part of the SD card become program storage space you will be still experiencing the same need to move page files to the ram before it can be used by the device.. so there's actually no point in doing that.
the least you can do is install as many applications as you can on your storage card...
tho not all apps can be installed on it.
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Yes... in fact i usually try to install apps on the flash memory... but lots need to be situated on the main memory... and the hermes don't has much of it...
Thanks a lot for the reply
(ps... sorry I'm not english and i could have written same/lots of mistakes..)
unfortunately ram isn't expandable on pdas..
again, the best you can do is install as many apps as you can on your storage card.
I have a HTC Touch Dual, So I have very limited internal memory (~128mg). But I have a 4gb Class 6 MicroSD. So far I installed here all programs are not "always in use", like Explorer, Tweakers, Opera Mobile, among others.
But those that really needs memory are programs like SPB Mobile Shell and themes, SPB Time, Inesoft Dialer (...)
So far I installed those on internal memory to avoid problems but then I tried install them on Micro SD but looks like always use internal memory anyway (cant understand why). So now I'm thinking using the SKTools move folder and content (and update registry) of those programs.
Should I get any problems ?
yea, some should be a problem as there paths must be hard coded..instead of moving using STK, try editing the cab files and channging there default installation path
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yea, some should be a problem as there paths must be hard coded..instead of moving using STK, try editing the cab files and channging there default installation path
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But if some paths are hard coded, when I install programs in English dont work, because my ROM is portuguese: so Program Files is Programas.