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...ABOUT RAM IN 2005...

i have two questions about ram in 2005
first:
in 2005 version ram is used to run program ,so 128MB ram is all to program run.but i found one picture that 96 MB is given to program ,and another 32MB is given to some storage .
second:
according to the first question,sms is stored in ram or rom?and what about the other installed program?
thanks...

First Answer:
There are some versions of the XDA II rom modified by Buzz_Lightyear that convert a portion of the RAM on the device into additional storage memory. They loose the advantage of persistant storage, but gain additional space. Since I have yet to find an app for the device that really needs 128MB of run-time memory (Most I have managed to get my device up to is 80MB) this isn't too bad a trade-off (In my opinion).
Second Answer:
SMS, e-mails, contacts, and installed programs are stored in ROM (Or on the ramdisk if you have allocated part of the RAM as such.
Hope this helps!
Robert Harrold

THANK YOU
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Nice to find you here, nomad.... I am finding 1.6c with 96mb Ram vision.

Ram On WM 2005
Hello All , I've managed to install the "WM2k5_1.60c.00WWE_XDA2_HIMALAYA" Rom on my Xda II (previous O/S was 2003 se)
As I've been browsing the forum it seems that most have apprx 32mb of storage space available but on mine i see only 14.54 and after unlocking Extended Rom I can see many files in there from (what I imagine to be) left over by my previous WM 2003 se . My question is . . . Why was this not deleted and added to the storage memory when i upgraded to WM 2005 and can anyone please explain to me how to go about adding/merging it with my Storage .
Any help would be much appreciated , Thank You

I've got the same issue, after installing WM2005 1.60c I only have 14.54 MB of storage memory. Any chance of increasing this as my ActiveSync file sync seems to be greater than 14.54MB and ActiveSync is giving me errors that I have run out of space

Ram On WM 2005
"I've got the same issue, after installing WM2005 1.60c I only have 14.54 MB of storage memory. Any chance of increasing this as my ActiveSync file sync seems to be greater than 14.54MB and ActiveSync is giving me errors that I have run out of space"
Hello Hmerali , The problem was solved by using the Hima_DOC_Tool_1.0
It will increase the Storage partition to 31MB.
Many Thanks To Buzz & His M8s for this and the WM 2005 , Good Work !!
Cheers

thanks for that ... by the way does anyone get 'critical errors' when syncing with ActiveSync that says that sync has to start from scracth.
This casues my email sync settings to be reset.

Hello Again Hmerali .
I've been using ActiveSync Ver 4 and haven't had to many Problems .
There is a tool that will auto reboot the ActiveSync app instead of you having to reboot the computer over & over again incase of any error while syncing.
Regards Sean

Where to install software in WM5 PPC?

Ｗhere to install software in WM5 PPC?
Which way can makes the WM5 PPC runs smoother? Install program in Built-in storage? Or in SD card?

if it's himalaya or blue angel i'd say on the ram disk
otherwise i'd say storage
sd would prob be the slowest place

Rudegar said:
if it's himalaya or blue angel i'd say on the ram disk
otherwise i'd say storage
sd would prob be the slowest place
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A connected query pl. Can I make RAMDisk as my default installation location? I mean that when we load any prog on WM5 PPC(XDA-2) it asks us the option main memory/RAMDisk/Card storage . I want that that istead of asking this option every time I load a prog it should load that on RAMDisk by default without asking for option. Is it possible???? :?: :?:

Rudegar said:
if it's himalaya or blue angel i'd say on the ram disk
otherwise i'd say storage
sd would prob be the slowest place
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I am using XDA Neo. So which way is the best?

c_shekhar: This can be solved by removing "InstallPath" string from the cab. Just edit the inf file.
isomaniac: It all depends on what program you're installing. Any program that runs on startup must be in main memory as well as any app you will use with content from different cards (like MP3's).
Everything else can go on the SD. With most apps and good cards the delay in loading is insignificant. Keep in mind that after ext ROM installation you have about 30MB free on the device and you can't move things like contacts and emails to the SD.
Also, rings should be in main memory so they will load after standby.

levenum said:
c_shekhar: This can be solved by removing "InstallPath" string from the cab. Just edit the inf file.
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Do you mean that I have to edit all the cab files I am to install on the device??(I install approx 40-50 cabs on the device). I think there should be a betted and more scientific method for this like tweaking the registry of the device or replacing the loading program etc.....
Any body to comment :? :?

Since JUN 2005 no solution to this problem of installing the cab on RAMDisk by default????

How to free PROGRAM MEMORY in wm5

I had a friend who had this problem.I wonder who can help?With my O2 wizard i used to be running short of rom space ie storage memory as it had only 32mb left at factory default settings. My friend is running short of Program memory.ie ram space.
She is using eten m600+ that had 180mb storage for user and only 30mb program memory for user left at time of factory default settings.(when Bought from the shop)
original specs state 256mb rom and 64 mb ram.
after installing many programs the ppc still had about 125mb(excessive and redundant for running programs) left in storage and only 10 mb left in program memory.
Problem is certain programs like mapking, imap, agenda fusion(3000 contacts) consumes about 10 mb of program memory to run. then there is insufficient program memory to run a 2nd program at the same time.
If only we can shift like in my case 10 to 20mb from storage memory to program memory the the etenm600+ ppc would be wonderful.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO THIS?
She has also a miotech A700 with about almost the same programs installed.The miotech factory default program memory is also left with 30mb when purchased. HOWEVER with almost the same programs installed the program memory left is about 25mb.THERFORE on miotech there is no problems to run multiple programs concurrently.
Question:
1.What cause the difference in usage of the program memory?
2.What to do to ensure that the program memory is not used up during installation of programs?
3.Are we able to see the Program memory to identify which of our programs are occupying the space?
4.Can we do anything eg to shift the programs that occupy the space in program memory to storage memory or storage card( like the way we are able to shift certain programs from storage memory to storage card by shifting the programs from the Program files in Main Memory to Program files in storage card therby freeing the storage memory)
Any insight into this would be much appreciated. At this point manufacturers had yet to increase ram ie program memory from 64mb up to 128 or 256mb as had been done for storage memory ie rom in the case of eten600+ had been increased to 256mb from 128mb(Eten m600/o2 or dopod products)
With my O2 wizard i used to be running short of rom space ie storage memory as it had only 32mb at factory default settings

Ok, here is the memory explanation:
As you may or may not (I am not quite certain from your post) know on WM5 devices like the Wizard storage memory is ROM, or more precisely flash (NAND if you want to get technical).
Program memory is RAM (I think it's SRAM not sure).
Since these are two physically different types of memory there is no way what so ever to use one in place of the other. So no borrowing storage memory to run programs.
Even if it was somehow possible (which it's not) to use flash to run programs it would bring your device to a halt as its read / write speeds are much to slow.
On WM5 systems RAM (program memory) is used just like on PC exclusively for running programs. It can not be used for storage so there is no danger of it being wasted during installation.
I don't have an explanation regarding the ETEN vs MIO issue, but keep the following in mind:
1) 64MB is in reality reported as about 55MB (binary count difference), 10 - 15 of that is reserved by the system and as much as 5 more may be taken up by resident apps / services depending on the device and the provider.
2) Same program may use up different amounts of RAM under different circumstances and may have memory leaks which means the memory it uses grows over time even if you do not input more data.
Also check out this neat app. Its a really great tool if you want to see whats going on on your device.

combining memory on touch pro

Hi all, I'm not sure if it is already done, but when I open memory to see how much I spend and how much is still left I see that the phone splits memory for data use and memory for program use. is it possible to combine those to program use only? or does the pro does that automatic when program mem is full? because I bought a microsdhc cart and all my data is doing on that.
thanks in advanced!

You must be new to Windows Mobile. Windows Mobile devices has 2 types of memory, RAM and ROM. Since WM5, RAM is used to maintain running processes. ROM is used as storage (unlike pre WM5, where RAM is splitted between storage and running programs and ROM storage is hidden).
Touch Pro has 288MB RAM (about 200MB usable) and 512MB ROM (about 318MB usable). This is due to the amount of RAM used by OS (while running) and ROM used by OS (in storage).
When you insert your MicroSD card, you'll see a new folder in File Explorer. It's called Storage Card.
So, in simple statement, no, you can't combined the memory as they are different types of memory.

in other words, its like trying to combine your desktop PC RAM memory with DVD disk storage space.

lol okay I very much understand what your saying. I am new at wm idd. but hell no with computers I actually do a study Informatica but just didnt knew how wm was made or never really looked into it. I thought it was just like a harddisk on a pc were you install your programs & data like music. and it uses the RAM memory for running programs I installed on the harddisk. but never mind very much thnx for the explanation!

Difference between install under device and flash disk in Tomal rom

Hi guys, i have recently flashed my uni with the awesome TML v8.81 Rom, I noticed there is a Flash Disk under My device. What's the purpose of that? Could anyone tell me what's the difference between installing software under my device and flash disk?
Many thanks

id like to know this too, as it seems the flash disk removes 15MB or so of much needed RAM, what is the purpose of it, so far I have installed everything on normal storage, should I be installing things like Opera on the flash disk because it runs faster?

types of memory
Ok, quick resume of memory:
There are four types of internal memory on the Universal (the quoted MB are from a 64MB G3 uni):
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[B]Storage Memory[/B]
Type: Internal Storage
Size: Usually 43.72MB with 40MB free (depends on installation of full/vanilla ROM)
What: Your main storage for all installations on your device (including windows)
Use: This where the device ROM (eg WM6.x) and other device programs are stored (everything under \).
eh? : This can be considered much like your C: drive on a PC.
+info: Get a ROM that has just about everything you want.
Getting vanilla ROM and installing apps in Storage is likely to use more Storage than if you get ROM that has all apps you require.
I never install anything here unless I have no option, or it's a Today item.
Some programs will use this as cache or temp storage area.
[B]Program Memory[/B]
Type: Program (RAM)
Size: Usually 48-49MB with 30MB or less free (this figure lowers with the more Apps that are run, an initial 12MB is eaten by Windows)
What: This is your available memory for running programs. Program Memory is also for used by Boot and PagePool (usually 6MB).
Use: The more of this you have, the more programs you can run, and the faster memory hungry apps can run.
eh? : This can be considered much like your RAM on a PC
+info: The Today Screen items will also eat up this memory, so stay away from "bling" Today items if you want other memory hungry apps to run (like route navigators)
NB. This memory is NOT eaten up or reduced by any other medium (ie, FlashDisk). 30MB free is great, but 20MB is usual running for a 64MB Uni.
[B]FlashDisk[/B] (only available on G3 according to wiki [I]- someone clarify?[/I])
Type: Internal Storage
Size: Can be 10MB to 30MB - and is made available solely by what's left by the ROM and given to you by the cook
What: Extra storage which is retained through a soft-reset.
Use: Store programs you always want available (ie, not on SD), but don't want in your Storage Memory
eh?: This can be considered much like your second hard-drive on a PC.
+info: If important, choose cook and ROM wisely, otherwise install such stuff on approprate SD/Storage.
The FlashDisk is where I store my messages and attachments (and programs like music/video players if cook doesn't supply them).
NB. This doesn't take up any Program Memory. It's either made available by the cook, or if the cook doesn't make it available it's wasted space that you can't use.
[B]ExtendedROM[/B]
Type: Internal Storage
Size: Is usually 9.96MB
What: Extra memory which doesn't survive a soft-reset.
Use: Anything you don't mind losing :)
eh?: This could be considered as a RAMDrive on a PC (that is, in that it's volatile, but not that it takes up any Program Memory)
+info: I use this for all cache (eg PIExplorer, Opera etc)
NB. Again, this is either made available or wasted space you can't use (see FlashDisk NB).
[B]Storage Card[/B]
Type: External Storage
Size: Can be anything (I have seen up to 16GB)
What: Extra storage for programs, cache etc. Always slower than any of the above. (NB. If anyone really interested, I can get you some values here)
Use: Anything that doesn't fit into the Uni ;)
Install apps here that aren't required by the system (ie, non-Today items)
eh?: This could be considered as any removeable storage on a PC (even an SD card!!!)
+info: Don't put anything here that the system expects to exist (eg, Today items). I use it for maps, music, videos and all apps not supplied by ROM cook.
I only have use one huge SD card, so I install all my apps on it. You may want to reconsider your installations if you use more than one SD card.
However, Cotulla created a ROM for G3 that combined Storage (not program memory)
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Nice answer that!
Now here is where it gets confusing I own a G4 with Tomals Rom on it and it has flash disk on it, I always thought it wasn't meant to. It does work too. I keep other small apps on it, it seems to load as fast as main memory. SD cads have a small time lag on a soft reset, so anything that needs to load on start up needs to be on board not SD. I'm not a cook so i'm sure there is a good answer but I often wondered why memory can't be repartitioned over to ram instead of flash disk or storage?
Jay

Yes, I think that wiki is wrong. I'm sure it's the ExtendedROM that's only on G3, whereas FD is down to the cook.
Hardware constraint on Uni means you can't partition Storage (or FD etc) over to Program Memory (RAM).

JonMorgan said:
Yes, I think that wiki is wrong. I'm sure it's the ExtendedROM that's only on G3, whereas FD is down to the cook.
Hardware constraint on Uni means you can't partition Storage (or FD etc) over to Program Memory (RAM).
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No I get extended rom now too. things have moved on since the WiKi was made I guess.
Jay