Question S21 plus latest software. Battery life (great) - Samsung Galaxy S21+

I dusted off my xda account to let you know that this latest software is great... Battery life finally doesn't drain when not used. (battery drain while not used drives me crazy, wife has iPhone... Always in use, it lasts forever)
Anyway Im the guy that never have problems, not many apps. No smart watch connected. Not rooted, not gamer, no cloud.
My battery used to drain like 15% overnight. Not anymore. It barely uses 40% a day.. Before it was about 75%.
I'm planning to freeze my software update app. Bc whatever they did is working great.
My device is more than 12 mo old, and i use the 85% charge limit (slowest possible charge). Unlocked US model directly from Samsung.

Yay.
Definitely package block updates if it's running well now.

you lucky guy! I'm waiting for the Pixel 7/7 pro and then I'll choose between them and the Zenfone 9. Samsung cheated me for the last time!
My phone is slower than my previus Op7Pro, battery drain is huge and it's always hot. I have it from July 21 but this summer the phone has been unusable under the sun or on the beach because of the huge thermal throttling. I had to splash in the swimming pool while taking photos of my children because it was very hot and went in thermal protection.
Battery life is terrible too, I've to charge at least twice a day even without using it.
Do you think is something that can be solved by the Samsung support?

deskmat81 said:
you lucky guy! I'm waiting for the Pixel 7/7 pro and then I'll choose between them and the Zenfone 9. Samsung cheated me for the last time!
My phone is slower than my previus Op7Pro, battery drain is huge and it's always hot. I have it from July 21 but this summer the phone has been unusable under the sun or on the beach because of the huge thermal throttling. I had to splash in the swimming pool while taking photos of my children because it was very hot and went in thermal protection.
Battery life is terrible too, I've to charge at least twice a day even without using it.
Do you think is something that can be solved by the Samsung support?
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Turn off global power management, find the battery/bandwidth hogs and deal with each on a case by case basis ie optimize it. All Samsung's should be optimized for best performance.
Package Disabler is something I always use but it's not my only tactic.
Since the N10+ Samsung has lost its balance.
That said my now cool running snappy fast N10+ was once a stuttering, hot running battery/bandwidth hungry hog. It doesn't seem like the same device now, it runs like a bat out of hell. Been running like this for 2 years on the same load. All you can do is try to optimize it.
Samsung Tech support? Bah-ha-ha-ha, don't count on it. Rarely are they helpful, but occasionally you get lucky. Updates tend to break not fix things... think before you click and disable all auto updates especially firmware.

blackhawk said:
Turn off global power management, find the battery/bandwidth hogs and deal with each on a case by case basis ie optimize it. All Samsung's should be optimized for best performance.
Package Disabler is something I always use but it's not my only tactic.
Since the N10+ Samsung has lost its balance.
That said my now cool running snappy fast N10+ was once a stuttering, hot running battery/bandwidth hungry hog. It doesn't seem like the same device now, it runs like a bat out of hell. Been running like this for 2 years on the same load. All you can do is try to optimize it.
Samsung Tech support? Bah-ha-ha-ha, don't count on it. Rarely are they helpful, but occasionally you get lucky. Updates tend to break not fix things... think before you click and disable all auto updates especially firmware.
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thanks for your suggestion, this night (when my children will fall asleep XD ) I'll try to check. Where can I find the option to disable the global power management?
About the power governor I'm using the mid option named High ( I have Optimized - High - Maximum) but I've tried the other two options and wait I've seen is bad performance (no increase in battery life) or increase of the phone temperatures with no real benefit in the daily use.
I'm hating this phone, I'm thinking to change asap, I'm waiting for the Pixels, hoping Google is able to manage the thermal issues better than Samsung.
About the support I don't mean the one by the phone, I know it's useless , I would mean if my thermal and battery problems can be related to some hardware issues.

deskmat81 said:
thanks for your suggestion, this night (when my children will fall asleep XD ) I'll try to check. Where can I find the option to disable the global power management?
About the power governor I'm using the mid option named High ( I have Optimized - High - Maximum) but I've tried the other two options and wait I've seen is bad performance (no increase in battery life) or increase of the phone temperatures with no real benefit in the daily use.
I'm hating this phone, I'm thinking to change asap, I'm waiting for the Pixels, hoping Google is able to manage the thermal issues better than Samsung.
About the support I don't mean the one by the phone, I know it's useless , I would mean if my thermal and battery problems can be related to some hardware issues.
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It's in Device Care under battery. Individual app battery background settings don't invoke global power management so you can do that instead.
That's just the start. You probably need to use a package disabler or adb edits to disable about 70-80 bloatware apps.
This is how on my N10+'s its configured.
Unlike latter Samsung flagships the N10+ is a well balanced phone in terms of form factor, usability, functionality and power consumption.
It supports expandable storage up to 1tb.

It seems that disabling the global power management the slug mode has been disabled too. I need to check it in the next days if the situation stays like this or not. In any case I still need to block the bloatware.
Thanks for your help

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Boost performance and increase outdoor visibility..

I just read this over on phonearena and wondered if anyone else saw it and has tried it.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/How-...-visibility-of-the-LG-G3-without-root_id58888
Im tempted to try it but hesitant too.
It'll increase the overall performance of the phone, at the cost of a little bit battery life, since turning off thermal mitigation allows the cpu to clock at a higher speed more often while ignoring the heat.
I cant decide if its worth it. For the most part I dont have any complaints about the brightness but I also use Lux.
While it was a different phone I did this same thing with my LG G Pro with no adverse effects to the phones operation in just over a year. It is still going strong in fact, so I dont fear phone damage by doing this but on this phone I havent seen the need for it yet.
I've been using this setting for some time now. I see no decrease in battery life, indeed I've seen nothing negative from it.
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I've had both thermal settings off for a while now as well, it only powered down from heat once and that was because I was chrome casting Netflix and playing a intensive 3d game. Other than that it's fine, however I would expect it to get hot doing 2 large processes anyway. Battery life is still 4-5hiues SOT
By doing this my phone over heats and the turns itself off. Was running fine for a while with it on but I guess it was to much for the phone to handle.

Any S6 user happy with their phone?

Hi guys, I'm going straight to the point: are you happy with your phone (in general, I know every phone has some minor annoyances)? I keep reading on the internet people that keep on lamenting about it (bad battery, laggy, awful RAM management, ect.), that's why I've opened this thread. I don't have the phone and I plan on buying it (it or the s6 edge or edge+, still have to decide - unfortunately the note 5 isn't coming to Europe anytime soon -), but all the reports are making me scared of buying it.
I'm happy with it. But you enjoy it more with root. Custom kernel fixes the ram issue, keeps the system speedy, custom roms add more features and debtor for better performance and ram management. So I'm basically enjoying it because of root
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Like osmosizzz above I can say that I am very happy with this phone. Once you root it and remove the bloatware this thing flies. Using a custom ROM and kernel I have better battery life, endless customization options and a speedy UI experience.
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I'd like not to have to root, I'm just tired of it (coming from a nexus 4), but I guess I might consider it if I buy the S6
You really dont have to have root as the phone is still plenty fast and with each update that comes out they are improving the software of the phone.
It's the best phone I ever had, my only gripes are aggressive memory management and the placement of the speaker (I usually end up covering it when holding it ), lag and battery are a lot better since the 2nd 511 update, the first update from 501 was rather laggy
I have 2 of this phone. here are my opinions:
1st phone (rooted and on XstrestoLite ROM)
I have great battery life, responses and everything seems fine except for the current bug with BOGG firmwares, which resulted in the keyboard lag when coming for lockscreen (Keyboard open delay about 3-6 seconds) check out my battery life here and here
2nd phone (stock and not rooted ever)
I find that the battery life on this phone not as great as my 1st phone, but however, everything is pretty smooth and great to me. But for a short time i had problems with GPS not being able to lock properly on Waze and Google Maps, however, not sure what happened (i didn't update the phone or anything) but it was back to normal again. and never happened again ever since.
Verdict: i love both my phones, i'll have them only until the Samsung Galaxy S7 comes out.
I owned this phone for over 4 months now. It never lag and blazing fast, the fastest android phone I've ever seen and the most amazing design I've ever seen too. It is just how the poor memory management kills apps at the background when you doing heavy multi-tasking, I've heard the 2nd 5.1.1 OTA fixed it. If multi-tasking is your concern, you should consider S6 Edge Plus comes with 4GB ram.
The battery performance is above average, imagine when you got this ultra smooth speed plus 2K screen and with only a 2550mAh capacity, I'll say it has done the job pretty well on battery life and enough to use a full day for any light to medium usage user. Heavy user will need a 2nd charge but it supports QC2.0(just get a QC2.0 powerbank) or wireless charging.
https://shopmeenova.appspot.com/st/p/mrg2.html
External storage can be overcome easily with this cute staff.
Since I'm a one-hand lover and the S6 size is the max. acceptable limit to me. I'm thinking to swap to Sony Z5 Compact later but that's s810 cpu overheating issue scared me away, I may just stick with S6 until S8 out, still not decided yet atm.
Its pretty good, but the RAM management and the occasional battery freakout (background drain) are irritating. If 5.1.1 fixes these 2 issues, I'm gold.
Before anyone tells me I can custom, its a work phone, I need full stock unrooted/knox intact otherwise I can't hook into my work's MDM systems (yes, its really nazi security).
But even without root, debloating via package disabler pro/debloater makes a noticeable difference to battery, which is a poor indictment of Samsung (6th generation Galaxy and still not learnt their lesson?).
The camera is out of this world and you get REALLY used to having a reliable fingerprint reader, I just rest my thumb stupidly on the home button on other people's phones (and if there isn't a physical home button I just stare stupidly at the screen for ~2 seconds lol).
I've never actually used the 'swap battery' feature so don't miss it, work phone so I got the storage bumped but if I paid for it myself I'd probably be irritated at the cost
One happy user here.
Battery life, my only gripe. Otherwise a perfect phone for me. Won't be rooting, just changed the launcher (Nova prime) and Skinomi case. Happy S6 user here!
apart from the camera I don't like any thing about this phone.
Best phone i,ve ever had,fantastic camera/screen/battery lasts me a full day no problems at all
Unhappy user here; bad battery life, laggy software, agressive memory resulting to bad multi tasking; will definitely change the phone.
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I'm quite pleased with it, and I didn't even root mine. I'm especially impressed with the GearVR.
Count me with the happy owners!
I will root soon anyway to get more flexibility and customization.
Since updating to the EVR firmware (for network specific settings) I love it, super fast and great performance even with intensive games. My one issue is battery life; although it lasts the day with ordinary use it does drain after a while of continuous use, but then again with fast charging I just plug it in for a few minutes and all is good.
Is there any fix for the memory management?
The Zel said:
Hi guys, I'm going straight to the point: are you happy with your phone (in general, I know every phone has some minor annoyances)? I keep reading on the internet people that keep on lamenting about it (bad battery, laggy, awful RAM management, ect.), that's why I've opened this thread. I don't have the phone and I plan on buying it (it or the s6 edge or edge+, still have to decide - unfortunately the note 5 isn't coming to Europe anytime soon -), but all the reports are making me scared of buying it.
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Only thing I dislike about this phone is the battery, but as other have said. Root->custom rom + kernel (and MAYBE soon Xposed) and this phone is at least average in battery life.
If you don't root (and is a power user, the phone is not for you). With root + custom rom + few tweaks I can go around 3-6 hours SOT on data (depending on brightness) and 6+ on wifi. Without I barely hit 3.
Phones like the Xperia Z3 compact can hit 6 hours SOT without root. So yeah, if rooting this phone is great, if not it sucks from a power user perspective.
Psych0t1c20 said:
Is there any fix for the memory management?
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Latest 5.1.1 has fixed it.

Faulty device ?

Hello XDA ! I have problem with my Note 20 Ultra Exynos... When I bought it, started lagging immediately, I brought it to authorized service center and they told me that device is working correctly and it has no problems. But now when I am doing something e.g using Samsung browser, or watching videos it starts freezing and random reboots. So I tried wiping cache, factory/Odin reset but no results, I am not using many 3rd party apps. What do you think ? What is the problem ? Or can you tell me how to know if CPU or GPU is faulty ? Using normal mode FHD+ and 60Hz... I'll attach drive link How it is lagging
I have the exact same problem
While the device get warm it's starts laging and freezing,
And Samsung said me too the device working correctly,
I have 2 friends who got the same device and doesn't have those problems.
This is my last Samsung device for me.
Horrible customer service .
It's an app that's probably sucking up bandwidth, CPU cycles and battery.
Google Play Services, Backup Transport, Framework and all cloud/chat apps are prime suspects.
A random reboot isn't normal though. Android 11 is a mess. Try running factory loads for the Google system apps, Gmail and Gmaps. Kill Google firebase, all feedback and all cloud crap.
The exynos chip has basically zero cooling. (No joke, look at a teardown vid of it).
It's way too much CPU for way too little heat sink.
It can throttle itself (like all chips will) but can definitely crash under heavy load and heat if it's a poorly binned chip.
xtravbx said:
The exynos chip has basically zero cooling. (No joke, look at a teardown vid of it).
It's way too much CPU for way too little heat sink.
It can throttle itself (like all chips will) but can definitely crash under heavy load and heat if it's a poorly binned chip.
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It's up in the air which cooling solution Samsung used short of doing a teardown of that individual phone. Samsung isn't consistent with the internal parts used during even a single production run... a long running issue with Sammy. Most noticeable with the smaller chipsets and components that can cause a firmware update to skew some of the "same" models... until Samsung includes the inadvertent variants in the update.
You know it's bad when Samsung physically has to examine the phone to know what chipsets were used (excluding the processor,etc).
i9apps said:
I have the exact same problem
While the device get warm it's starts laging and freezing,
And Samsung said me too the device working correctly,
I have 2 friends who got the same device and doesn't have those problems.
This is my last Samsung device for me.
Horrible customer service .
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It drives me crazy, warms up for no reason and lags af, sometimes I put it in the fridge to cool down :d
bekasulaberidze said:
It drives me crazy, warms up for no reason and lags af, sometimes I put it in the fridge to cool down :d
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There's a reason it's running warm; excessive cpu cycles and/or excessive internet usage.
Find the apks responsible.
It's also toasting your battery*... been there, done that, and yes it's maddening until you sort it out.
This probably needlessly cost me at least 200 maybe a 1000 full charge cycles on my old Li battery
*charge battery no more than 80% to help limit the high current drain damage until the issues are resolved. Be especially careful in high ambient temperatures as you can do permanent damage to it quickly.
blackhawk said:
There's a reason it's running warm; excessive cpu cycles and/or excessive internet usage.
Find the apks responsible.
It's also toasting your battery*... been there, done that, and yes it's maddening until you sort it out.
This probably needlessly cost me at least 200 maybe a 1000 full charge cycles on my old Li battery
*charge battery no more than 80% to help limit the high current drain damage until the issues are resolved. Be especially careful in high ambient temperatures as you can do permanent damage to it quickly.
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Thanks for tips, I had S20 Ultra before, but it was working perfectly no lags no reboots, they have same exy chips right ? The hell is going with this one ? I am very very disappointed with N20U, right now CPU temp is 26C, not every time/everyday starts warming and lagging, I can't tell what is causing heating because, I am doing same [email protected] everyday, scrolling reddit, listening to music etc. Sorry for my English if it is grammatically correct...
bekasulaberidze said:
Thanks for tips, I had S20 Ultra before, but it was working perfectly no lags no reboots, they have same exy chips right ? The hell is going with this one ? I am very very disappointed with N20U, right now CPU temp is 26C, not every time/everyday starts warming and lagging, I can't tell what is causing heating because, I am doing same [email protected] everyday, scrolling reddit, listening to music etc. Sorry for my English if it is grammatically correct...
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Your english is fine. Not sure about chipsets, it should be a great phone though once you work this out. I'm thinking about getting either this or another 10+.
I have the Note 10+ and it was a hot running power hog too. At first it was ok but within a few days it went to hell.
What I learned...
Do not enable any power saving in Device Care ie the toggle on stuff, enable fast charging only. Do not optimize any apps in the settings options.
Android can manage its self well without that junk.
Developer options>Standby apps, all buckets should show as active, if not power management is active! If active it will cause erratic behavior as well. Blocking background and data usage is generally ok to to do though.
Use Package Disaler to help tame it.
Home - Package Disabler
The only NON-root solution that let’s you disable any unwanted packages that come pre-installed / installed with your phone / tablet.
www.packagedisabler.com
Use Kara Firewall (Playstore) to lock down the internet. It's logging feature doesn't work on Q and above though I believe. I'm running on Pie.
If you did any major firmware updates do a factory reset now. Otherwise clearing the system cache can help.
Try rolling back apks especially system and Google apks to their factory loads or updating them. Updating them sometimes makes them worse.
Clearing the system logs as needed with a 3rd party cleaner can help.
Disable all Google, Samsung and carrier feedback. Disable Goggle Firebase.
Disable all cloud, WhatsApp, FB etc. crap.
Goggle Play Services*, Backup Transport and Framework are prime offenders, clear data as needed. Package block them too and well as Playstore when not needed.
You can also firewall block Play Services* UID 10O44, Android Services UID 1000 and Gmaps*.
I use Galaxy Labs Battery Tracker, it's helpful in spotting Goggle Framework usage. Framework will always show as running even if PBed but it's usage should drop drastically.
Play with it, adjust by trial and error.
My 10+ is now a heavily optimized stock load, cool running machine that runs very well, fast and stable. It wasn't always like this though.
Once you get it optimized avoid firmware updates especially if it's running well as they can throw you straight back into the hurt locker.
*toggle on as needed. PD MDM let's you set a widget to toggle box checked apps on/off. It works great.
blackhawk said:
Your english is fine. Not sure about chipsets, it should be a great phone though once you work this out. I'm thinking about getting either this or another 10+.
I have the Note 10+ and it was a hot running power hog too. At first it was ok but within a few days it went to hell.
What I learned...
Do not enable any power saving in Device Care ie the toggle on stuff, enable fast charging only. Do not optimize any apps in the settings options.
Android can manage its self well without that junk.
Developer options>Standby apps, all buckets should show as active, if not power management is active! If active it will cause erratic behavior as well. Blocking background and data usage is generally ok to to do though.
Use Package Disaler to help tame it.
Home - Package Disabler
The only NON-root solution that let’s you disable any unwanted packages that come pre-installed / installed with your phone / tablet.
www.packagedisabler.com
Use Kara Firewall (Playstore) to lock down the internet. It's logging feature doesn't work on Q and above though I believe. I'm running on Pie.
If you did any major firmware updates do a factory reset now. Otherwise clearing the system cache can help.
Try rolling back apks especially system and Google apks to their factory loads or updating them. Updating them sometimes makes them worse.
Clearing the system logs as needed with a 3rd party cleaner can help.
Disable all Google, Samsung and carrier feedback. Disable Goggle Firebase.
Disable all cloud, WhatsApp, FB etc. crap.
Goggle Play Services*, Backup Transport and Framework are prime offenders, clear data as needed. Package block them too and well as Playstore when not needed.
You can also firewall block Play Services* UID 10O44, Android Services UID 1000 and Gmaps*.
I use Galaxy Labs Battery Tracker, it's helpful in spotting Goggle Framework usage. Framework will always show as running even if PBed but it's usage should drop drastically.
Play with it, adjust by trial and error.
My 10+ is now a heavily optimized stock load, cool running machine that runs very well, fast and stable. It wasn't always like this though.
Once you get it optimized avoid firmware updates especially if it's running well as they can throw you straight back into the hurt locker.
*toggle on as needed. PD MDM let's you set a widget to toggle box checked apps on/off. It works great.
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Thank you again for all these tips, I'll try them !
But I have two more question if you know, my device only charges at super fast charging, when I enable fast charging it says cable charging, using stock charger and USB cable what is this ? This charger only charges super fast ? and the second question is why enable fast charging ? I always charge at regular charge...
bekasulaberidze said:
Thank you again for all these tips, I'll try them !
But I have two more question if you know, my device only charges at super fast charging, when I enable fast charging it says cable charging, using stock charger and USB cable what is this ? This charger only charges super fast ? and the second question is why enable fast charging ? I always charge at regular charge...
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It only fast charges if it's enable and has a fast charging compatible brick/cable.
It should say fast charging when plugged in if it is. If not try toggling the switch 3 times*.
It will charge at normal speed otherwise.
Fast charging will likely decrease the battery longevity at least slightly.
Li's love frequently midrange 40-70% partial charge cycles. It takes only 10 minutes for a 20% charge in this range. It's fast.
* failure to engage or erratic fast charging can indicate a battery failure...so I learned recently
If battery swelling is spotted replace it asap.
It will push the back panel up if it swells.
Hi guys,
I bought a used Note 20 Ultra Sanpdragon version at a very very advantageous price, yet to arrive, but the one who sold it to me says he has only one "problem", the phone restarts randomly.
What could be the cause?
ShortyPG said:
Hi guys,
I bought a used Note 20 Ultra Sanpdragon version at a very very advantageous price, yet to arrive, but the one who sold it to me says he has only one "problem", the phone restarts randomly.
What could be the cause?
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Problem is hardware bro,maybe is better buy new phone then with low price. Sorry.
I have this phone when launched, never restart randomly.
maxpaynezm said:
Problem is hardware bro,maybe is better buy new phone then with low price. Sorry.
I have this phone when launched, never restart randomly.
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Thanks bro, the phone is in warranty, but I live in Italy and the phone is imported. He has no time to resolve the issue that's the reason of the sell. I hope is however service in crash, something resolvable via software.
Sorry for my English.
I would boot your devices into Safe and see if the same issue is present. If it is not, then it is definately an app, which is causing the issue. I would start by uninstalling apps from your device, starting from the most recently ones, which you have installed.
ShortyPG said:
Hi guys,
I bought a used Note 20 Ultra Sanpdragon version at a very very advantageous price, yet to arrive, but the one who sold it to me says he has only one "problem", the phone restarts randomly.
What could be the cause?
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It may be the battery if you're lucky.
Start there.
If the battery is good, factory reset*, if still doing it firmware reflash**.
If that doesn't get it, it may be a blown mobo.
Probably your best bet is to have a tech with a lot of Samsung experience look at it.
*leave all system apks running in their factory load versions. Add no 3rd party apps until you can ascertain it's running stable. If so add 3rd party apps. Then only update system apps if needed and one at a time.
**may have corrupted firmware. Usually a hardware failure causes this but not always.
You can skip the factory reload and go directly to this step if you want. Load its original stock Android 10 rom for now.

All Browsers destroy my battery

I am currently on stock Android 12. I flashed the unlocked stock image (non-verizon) a few weeks back. With Android 11, Android 12, LineageOS, etc. every browser I have tried including Chrome, Brave, Via, etc. all drain the battery way faster than browsers did on my previous Moto G5 plus. i would say when I am surfing the net on my browser (usually just reading forums, no video), the battery drains about 1% every 5 minutes or less. I have tried 2.4Ghz wifi, LTE, etc. and data connection type doesn't seem to impact anything.
Is this normal for this phone? anything to do to reduce browser battery drain?
If you go into battery usage graph, is the browser the only app listed as using up the battery (and not the screen brightness, or another app that may be contributing to the heavy usage)
JohnC said:
If you go into battery usage graph, is the browser the only app listed as using up the battery (and not the screen brightness, or another app that may be contributing to the heavy usage)
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correct. if I am using other apps the battery drain isn't near as severe. I keep the display setting "extra dim" enabled all the time and I keep it down as low as I can tolerate. I use a pitch black wallpaper use dark mode in browsers so they have mostly black background with white text.
Phone idle is the only other thing that seems to use a sizeable amount of battery according to the battery usage data in settings.
Sounds about right. Came from a Moto G7 Play (15 months back) and saw similar drain rates. All three devices have similar battery specs which plays into the units being used to assess drain. Is what it is.
FWIW - Opera
DB126 said:
Sounds about right. Came from a Moto G7 Play (15 months back) and saw similar drain rates. All three devices have similar battery specs which plays into the units being used to assess drain. Is what it is.
FWIW - Opera
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Not gonna lie, it makes me want to go back to Motorola when this Pixel bites the dust.
badtlc said:
Not gonna lie, it makes me want to go back to Motorola when this Pixel bites the dust.
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Many Moto's bring a nice package with unique tricks. Gotta do your homework on what features are most important when the time comes.
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Many Moto's bring a nice package with unique tricks. Gotta do your homework on what features are most important when the time comes.
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I definitely did that. I only got the 4a because it was the perfect size and had a headphone jack. I assumed with a newer hardware set and similar sized battery compared to my old phone batter life "should" be better. Nope.
Na, it's more complicated. 4a sports more sensors, brighter/denser display, faster processors, etc. System and personal apps clearly play a role in longevity (behind screen brightness); you'd need to do a detail study to understand what's drawing when and why.
I use to fuss over such matters but find the device lasts a full day for my use case which is all that really matters. Charges up quick from a modest size battery pack when camping/traveling. Just like past Motos.
Not sure who I'll partner with in the next dance. Love Pixel cameras (especially in challenging conditions) and routine updates. Miss some of Moto's innovations, like active display and actions. Needs to be close to AOSP; no Samsung UX butchery. In the end form factor will likely be the deciding factor once non-contenders are ruled out.
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I assumed with a newer hardware set and similar sized battery compared to my old phone batter life "should" be better.
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I don't know what CPU you came from, but if the Moto only had "small" cores then of course it used less battery. "Big" cores use more power. They go faster too, but if you have a constant load, then they'll eat battery faster.
I don't know if there's a non-root way to disable the big cores, but I suspect you can do it with root (but don't know for sure).
Otherwise, you gotta get your browser to stop running JavaScript. If you're watching video you need to make sure the browser is offloading all the decoding to the hardware codecs rather than doing it on the CPU.
And if the screen is on, it might help to try and get it "more black" (eg. Use night mode) or turn down the brightness. The screen is often the primary user of power when a device is being used.
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I don't know what CPU you came from, but if the Moto only had "small" cores then of course it used less battery. "Big" cores use more power. They go faster too, but if you have a constant load, then they'll eat battery faster.
I don't know if there's a non-root way to disable the big cores, but I suspect you can do it with root (but don't know for sure).
Otherwise, you gotta get your browser to stop running JavaScript. If you're watching video you need to make sure the browser is offloading all the decoding to the hardware codecs rather than doing it on the CPU.
And if the screen is on, it might help to try and get it "more black" (eg. Use night mode) or turn down the brightness. The screen is often the primary user of power when a device is being used.
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Thanks for the suggestions. My power complaints are just limited to the browser so I dont think it is just the larger CPUs. I think my standby consumption issues are related to Stock Android as I am now running GrapheneOS and my standby power consumption now matches my old Moto G5 Plus.
As for browser usage consumption, I have tried everything but disabling Javascript. I will try that and see if it breaks anything I use regularly. Thanks for the idea.
tangent back to general power consumption, I typically disable just about everything behind the scenes as I can. I keep the theme on pitch black. I use the extra dim setting to keep screen brightness as low as I can tolerate. I use night mode in browser to keep as much black background as possible. I disable all tap-to-wake or sensor based features. When I was trying to run Android 12, I disabled all the smart services and removed all the google apps I could. I removed all permissions I could. I restricted all apps I could. I disabled adaptive settings, etc. There is a bunch of stuff running in the background on Android 12 and I just could not
Welcome to the future. Older phones had better battery life
Locklear308 said:
Welcome to the future. Older phones had better battery life
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I dont think it is all the phone. GrapheneOS has 40% better standby battery usage than stock android 12. On graphene, it matches my old Moto G5 Plus. It is either lazy programmers with inefficient coding these days or it is google having the stock OS do waaaay too much by default with no way to disable it.
I'm trying to figure that out now.
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I dont think it is all the phone. GrapheneOS has 40% better standby battery usage than stock android 12. On graphene, it matches my old Moto G5 Plus. It is either lazy programmers with inefficient coding these days or it is google having the stock OS do waaaay too much by default with no way to disable it.
I'm trying to figure that out now.
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I totally agree on the lazy thing. So many devs now days are so lazy. I develope QuickBase databases and constantly run into extremely poorly setup realms/apps. Just basic stuff. Lol

General Performance degradation over time?

Is it only me? I bought the phone a few months ago received on May I been playing a lot of Apex Mobile which is totally not optimized but for iphone 13 pro max but that's not the point
On June I decided to run some benchmarks
On 3D Mark I got on WIld Life Maxed Out it doesn't even say the score now I get 6680
On Wildlife Extreme I got 2481 and now 1816 that's 35%+ slower than before what's the reason for this if anyone experiencing the same?
Geekbench same history I got Single Core 1241 and multicore 3546 late benchmark I did It got 1195 single core and 2885 Multicore
Was the ambient room temperature the same for all the tests? Did you add case for the later ones?
Once the phone gets too hot it likely will throttle back before it reaches shutdown temperature.
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Was the ambient room temperature the same for all the tests? Did you add case for the later ones?
Once the phone gets too hot it likely will throttle back before it reaches shutdown temperature.
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Same Room in my house same ambient temperature I ran the test in the same conditions when Idle and cold
Background apps running?
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Background apps running?
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Like I said test were done in the same way all apps closed and while phone was idle cold Weird isn't it?
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Like I said test were done in the same way all apps closed and while phone was idle cold Weird isn't it?
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Maybe Google backup Transport, etc running?
It shouldn't slow that much.
The load on this stock N10+ is over 2 yo and still snappy fast.
Any updates?
Try clearing the system cache and do a memory cleaning with Device Care.
Hit it with SD Maid if you got it.
Tested at room temperature 23 Celsius. Basically the same score as when new 3 months ago.
Interestingly the score improved by 31 points after installing the July update.
Also taken at 23 Celsius.
The app galaxy app booster helps to regain that factory reset feel for me. Used it twice thus far.
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Maybe Google backup Transport, etc running?
It shouldn't slow that much.
The load on this stock N10+ is over 2 yo and still snappy fast.
Any updates?
Try clearing the system cache and do a memory cleaning with Device Care.
Hit it with SD Maid if you got it.
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Definitely on the sd maid. I run it twice a week with a subsequent shutdown then boot (I let it fully rest instead of just a reboot). After any updates go into recovery and clear cache and repair apps. Also, go to battery, background usage limits, and put all apps that you don't need immediate notifications in sleep, and games and such in deep sleep. Honestly, running sd maid and the shutdown/boot really help.
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Definitely on the sd maid. I run it twice a week with a subsequent shutdown then boot (I let it fully rest instead of just a reboot). After any updates go into recovery and clear cache and repair apps. Also, go to battery, background usage limits, and put all apps that you don't need immediate notifications in sleep, and games and such in deep sleep. Honestly, running sd maid and the shutdown/boot really help.
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Using global power management will cause erratic behavior ie the battery management junk.
Enable fast charging only from that group.
In individual app settings disabling background battery and data use if needed is ok, that's not global power management.
Developer options>standby apps, if all buckets show as active, power management is disabled.
Its pretty normal electronics like capacitors and resistors decrease thier value over time the reason is thermodynamics
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Its pretty normal electronics like capacitors and resistors decrease thier value over time the reason is thermodynamics
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Not really. No electrolytic caps. Good for many hundreds of thousands of cycles. Components will fail outright rather than drift so far out of spec that you notice a change.
The battery (easy to replace), C port, AMOLED display, switches and flash/ram memories are at highest risk in that approximate order. Aside from the battery in a well designed/manufactured device the lifespan of a heavily used, well cared for device is at least 5 years.
A good case is mandatory to limit G loading to survivable levels in drops, to prevent direct impact damage and excessive frame, display and mobo flexing.
Firmware upgrades/updates are a major risk, avoid if not needed.
Care to avoid water exposure and to keep battery heat levels below 103F when using or charging.
Avoid using in direct sunlight, protect from sunlight. Keep display brightness on manual and below 50%.

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