I am currently on stock Android 12. I flashed the unlocked stock image (non-verizon) a few weeks back. With Android 11, Android 12, LineageOS, etc. every browser I have tried including Chrome, Brave, Via, etc. all drain the battery way faster than browsers did on my previous Moto G5 plus. i would say when I am surfing the net on my browser (usually just reading forums, no video), the battery drains about 1% every 5 minutes or less. I have tried 2.4Ghz wifi, LTE, etc. and data connection type doesn't seem to impact anything.
Is this normal for this phone? anything to do to reduce browser battery drain?
If you go into battery usage graph, is the browser the only app listed as using up the battery (and not the screen brightness, or another app that may be contributing to the heavy usage)
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If you go into battery usage graph, is the browser the only app listed as using up the battery (and not the screen brightness, or another app that may be contributing to the heavy usage)
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correct. if I am using other apps the battery drain isn't near as severe. I keep the display setting "extra dim" enabled all the time and I keep it down as low as I can tolerate. I use a pitch black wallpaper use dark mode in browsers so they have mostly black background with white text.
Phone idle is the only other thing that seems to use a sizeable amount of battery according to the battery usage data in settings.
Sounds about right. Came from a Moto G7 Play (15 months back) and saw similar drain rates. All three devices have similar battery specs which plays into the units being used to assess drain. Is what it is.
FWIW - Opera
DB126 said:
Sounds about right. Came from a Moto G7 Play (15 months back) and saw similar drain rates. All three devices have similar battery specs which plays into the units being used to assess drain. Is what it is.
FWIW - Opera
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Not gonna lie, it makes me want to go back to Motorola when this Pixel bites the dust.
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Not gonna lie, it makes me want to go back to Motorola when this Pixel bites the dust.
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Many Moto's bring a nice package with unique tricks. Gotta do your homework on what features are most important when the time comes.
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Many Moto's bring a nice package with unique tricks. Gotta do your homework on what features are most important when the time comes.
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I definitely did that. I only got the 4a because it was the perfect size and had a headphone jack. I assumed with a newer hardware set and similar sized battery compared to my old phone batter life "should" be better. Nope.
Na, it's more complicated. 4a sports more sensors, brighter/denser display, faster processors, etc. System and personal apps clearly play a role in longevity (behind screen brightness); you'd need to do a detail study to understand what's drawing when and why.
I use to fuss over such matters but find the device lasts a full day for my use case which is all that really matters. Charges up quick from a modest size battery pack when camping/traveling. Just like past Motos.
Not sure who I'll partner with in the next dance. Love Pixel cameras (especially in challenging conditions) and routine updates. Miss some of Moto's innovations, like active display and actions. Needs to be close to AOSP; no Samsung UX butchery. In the end form factor will likely be the deciding factor once non-contenders are ruled out.
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I assumed with a newer hardware set and similar sized battery compared to my old phone batter life "should" be better.
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I don't know what CPU you came from, but if the Moto only had "small" cores then of course it used less battery. "Big" cores use more power. They go faster too, but if you have a constant load, then they'll eat battery faster.
I don't know if there's a non-root way to disable the big cores, but I suspect you can do it with root (but don't know for sure).
Otherwise, you gotta get your browser to stop running JavaScript. If you're watching video you need to make sure the browser is offloading all the decoding to the hardware codecs rather than doing it on the CPU.
And if the screen is on, it might help to try and get it "more black" (eg. Use night mode) or turn down the brightness. The screen is often the primary user of power when a device is being used.
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I don't know what CPU you came from, but if the Moto only had "small" cores then of course it used less battery. "Big" cores use more power. They go faster too, but if you have a constant load, then they'll eat battery faster.
I don't know if there's a non-root way to disable the big cores, but I suspect you can do it with root (but don't know for sure).
Otherwise, you gotta get your browser to stop running JavaScript. If you're watching video you need to make sure the browser is offloading all the decoding to the hardware codecs rather than doing it on the CPU.
And if the screen is on, it might help to try and get it "more black" (eg. Use night mode) or turn down the brightness. The screen is often the primary user of power when a device is being used.
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Thanks for the suggestions. My power complaints are just limited to the browser so I dont think it is just the larger CPUs. I think my standby consumption issues are related to Stock Android as I am now running GrapheneOS and my standby power consumption now matches my old Moto G5 Plus.
As for browser usage consumption, I have tried everything but disabling Javascript. I will try that and see if it breaks anything I use regularly. Thanks for the idea.
tangent back to general power consumption, I typically disable just about everything behind the scenes as I can. I keep the theme on pitch black. I use the extra dim setting to keep screen brightness as low as I can tolerate. I use night mode in browser to keep as much black background as possible. I disable all tap-to-wake or sensor based features. When I was trying to run Android 12, I disabled all the smart services and removed all the google apps I could. I removed all permissions I could. I restricted all apps I could. I disabled adaptive settings, etc. There is a bunch of stuff running in the background on Android 12 and I just could not
Welcome to the future. Older phones had better battery life
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Welcome to the future. Older phones had better battery life
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I dont think it is all the phone. GrapheneOS has 40% better standby battery usage than stock android 12. On graphene, it matches my old Moto G5 Plus. It is either lazy programmers with inefficient coding these days or it is google having the stock OS do waaaay too much by default with no way to disable it.
I'm trying to figure that out now.
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I dont think it is all the phone. GrapheneOS has 40% better standby battery usage than stock android 12. On graphene, it matches my old Moto G5 Plus. It is either lazy programmers with inefficient coding these days or it is google having the stock OS do waaaay too much by default with no way to disable it.
I'm trying to figure that out now.
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I totally agree on the lazy thing. So many devs now days are so lazy. I develope QuickBase databases and constantly run into extremely poorly setup realms/apps. Just basic stuff. Lol
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As above, anyone using higher capacity battery for their HTC Desire and it is tested and proven to last longer than the original batter? Can post the link to purchase the battery?
Thanks!
Before you buy another battery, have you read this thread about calibrating your battery?
And have you installed a rom that allows underclocking? It makes a massive difference.
I am now getting 20+ hours from my phone where as before underclocking I was getting 8 hours.
Same amount of usage, just underclocking when screen is off.
Erm.. I will go read about it, but because I want to retain as it is now, thats why I'm looking for an extended battery.
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Erm.. I will go read about it, but because I want to retain as it is now, thats why I'm looking for an extended battery.
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What kind of battery life do you currently get? Before (accidentally) calibrating my battery I was getting around 10-12 hours, now I'm getting around 36-42 hours.
I'm looking for one that can last me more than 1 day.
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And have you installed a rom that allows underclocking? It makes a massive difference.
I am now getting 20+ hours from my phone where as before underclocking I was getting 8 hours.
Same amount of usage, just underclocking when screen is off.
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Hey buddy, which app do you use for underclocking? Cheers,
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I'm looking for one that can last me more than 1 day.
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Well, I'm using the standard battery and have 26% remaining with "1d 10h" since unplugged (admittedly I haven't used the phone for that much in that time, just some internet usage, a couple of calls, but it's been constantly on WiFi or 3G to sync GMail).
Use SetCPU for underclocking, and use JuiceDefender to automatically turn off your data connection while the screen's off/locked.
It will still reconnect every 15 minutes to sync, and will remain connected as long as there's any continuing 3G traffic while the screen's off. Basically what it means is you're running one of the most power-consuming parts of your device only 1/15th of the time, which make a big difference. Text messages and voice calls come through instantly still - only things requiring a data connection like facebook, weather, twitter, etc will have any delay, and even then it'll only be 15 minutes at the most.
You can also try setting your phone to WCDMA-only, which means it won't be constantly trying to connect and maintain two radios simultaneously. GSM-only would be even better but depending on your carrier it might not work at all or might only work for voice.
With SetCPU try making a profile to automatically go into "powersave" mode when the screen's off, which will ensure the CPU never clocks up past its minimum speed during that time. It's still over 200 mhz, more than enough for anything you might want to do in the background. For normal operation, between 499 and 768 mhz as the maximum clock, depending on your preference, should be adequate and will save you a little bit of battery life as well all the time.
Also, download a widget to allow you to manually set screen brightness when you're indoors and the auto setting is useless. I have my screen brightness set to 15% while indoors and it's still plenty bright. I have the SLCD model, I don't know if that makes any difference.
My phone has been off the charger for 17 hours and 10 minutes. During that time, the screen was on for 2 hours and 29 minutes. I'm at 79% battery life with the standard battery.
Mugen 3200mah. Mine lasts a day with ease and heavy use.
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Mugen 3200mah. Mine lasts a day with ease and heavy use.
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Yours able to charge it properly?
A small update to my previous post... I'm now at 32 hours, 38 minutes uptime, 4 hours 44 minutes awake time (screen on). Battery just reached 60 percent. Stock battery.
Remember when you made the choice to buy an Android, you were in effect saying you wanted to have a highly customizable miniature computer. Just like when you customize [insert your desktop OS of choice] to suit your taste, you need to configure your phone in order to get what you want out of it - namely, better battery life than with the standard settings.
HTC's goal with the Desire was to have a showpiece, it runs very fast and it looks good doing it. But they designed it with frequent charging in mind. Since most of us here, I imagine, would prefer to charge less often, we just need to configure the phone appropriately.
If you want a guaranteed solution, try this:
- Install NextSense rom (it's free, latest version right now is 5.3 AFAIK, I'm currently using 5.2 still)
- Install JuiceDefender - it's free on the market and its default settings are, for a change, very intelligent and effective.
- Install SetCPU - You can get it free on this forum. Set it to "interactive" mode with a bottom speed of 245 and a top speed of 806 to start with. The default is 998 at the top, but 200 mhz doesn't make a big difference in this case except to help battery life a bit. Once installed, add a profile for "screen off" which sets the phone to "powersave" mode. This will keep it running at the minimum clock any time you're not using it. Nothing running in the background while you're not even using the phone requires more than the minimum CPU speed.
- Install the Brightness Widget by Curvefish. It's free on the market. Put its widget on your desktop and keep your screen brightness at 25% while you're indoors. 15% is what I use, but 25% is one of the presets so it's a bit easier. I have an SLCD display so the brightness I get on auto might just be different from what OLED gets on auto, I don't know, but in any case for me it's way brighter than it needs to be.
- Set your screen timeout to no more than 2 minutes
- Make sure any apps that sync data do so in a reasonable interval. +/- 15 minutes won't ruin your day for most things.
- Under Wireless & Networks, set your phone's connection to WCDMA-only (3G-only). For many people this results in an increase to both signal quality and battery life, since it allows your phone to only run one radio at a time, making a significant difference. If it doesn't work for you, it's as simple as turning it back to the default setting.
- Disable haptic feedback and see if you mind the difference. Making all those little vibrations takes power too.
- Finally (obviously) don't run a live background, but you probably already know that.
Doing all of the above takes an hour or maybe two at most to set up and the difference in battery life is tremendous. It's simple to do, I worked out all of the above on my own and I've literally only had the phone for 4 days now I think, never touched a smartphone before in my life let alone an Android.
Give it a try, you have nothing to lose, and it will probably save you needing to buy a battery. Or, if you still buy a double-capacity battery, it'll mean you can run for like a week on a charge.
edit: also make sure to get the latest version of the radio driver, I don't have a frame of reference for comparison since I updated mine right away, but apparently it makes a fair bit of difference and probably gives you a more reliable cell signal in the process.
In case you think I'm exaggerating, here are some pics I just took.
What's the ideal settings for juice defender? Cos my phone is not rooted so I'm not going to use the SetCPU application.
What do you mean charge properly ??
Is it able to charge?
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What's the ideal settings for juice defender? Cos my phone is not rooted so I'm not going to use the SetCPU application.
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"Ideal" settings are basically the way it's configured by default. You can't improve upon them much even by getting the "premium" upgrade unless your phone is rooted... but SetCPU is a better choice in that case anyway.
Just install it, hit "enable" after it's done auto-detecting your phone's capabilities, and you're done. It's really that simple.
Be sure to add it to your task killer exclusion list if you use one.
You saying the default option is for SetCPU or Juicedefender?
So just download the free juicedefender is good enough for me already since the pro version is more for rooted phones? (mine is not rooted)
Can somebody pls. post the link to SetCPU?
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Can somebody pls. post the link to SetCPU?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=505419
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So just download the free juicedefender is good enough for me already since the pro version is more for rooted phones? (mine is not rooted)
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Yes exactly. The pro version unlocks some more customization but ultimately won't add a whole lot to your battery life no matter how it's set up. I mean, beyond what the "regular" version does.
Hi all,
Currently running CM10.0 (stable) on my One XL. When checking wakelocks after flashing, a process named "bam_dmux_wavelock" appeared to be running for hours at a time. After some poking, I also discovered that Spotify running in the background only consumed 700mb of data over 3 days. After disabling background data for Spotify, the wakelock (and battery drain) reduced dramatically. Disabling background data across the device reduced that wakelock to almost zero.
Currently getting 2 days of use on CM10 and 2-3 hours of screen time, with ondemand governor; 192 min; 920 (I think?) max. No lag or performance hit for day-to-day tasks.
Might have to do a cleanwipe and reinstall rom to get rid of the rest of the wakelocks.
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Hi all,
Currently running CM10.0 (stable) on my One XL. When checking wakelocks after flashing, a process named "bam_dmux_wavelock" appeared to be running for hours at a time. After some poking, I also discovered that Spotify running in the background only consumed 700mb of data over 3 days. After disabling background data for Spotify, the wakelock (and battery drain) reduced dramatically. Disabling background data across the device reduced that wakelock to almost zero.
Currently getting 2 days of use on CM10 and 2-3 hours of screen time, with ondemand governor; 192 min; 920 (I think?) max. No lag or performance hit for day-to-day tasks.
Might have to do a cleanwipe and reinstall rom to get rid of the rest of the wakelocks.
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Should be in q&a
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i dont think this is q&a. just informing us of how he extended his battery life. good job exygenysys on getting a long battery life setup.
See, this is why I love sense and will NEVER use CM10. Reliability.
When building the One Series, HTC's engineers set out to address the biggest complaint from customers: Battery life. From their blog:
For the HTC One, we researched all layers in the phone; from the chipset, networking, display, operating system and preloaded applications – all with the goal of making the most efficient use of both power and data consumption. And our testing has shown significant performance improvements
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HTC's version of multi-tasking that everyone loves to hate for no reason, gives you just that. Because many developers don't know how to properly code for battery life and data usage, someone has to do something about it or else we, the customers, are the ones who end up suffering. Android saves apps in their original state, so who cares if they are really running in the background or not? The experience is the exact same, you go back to an app, and it picks up right where you left off.
I have noticed spotify AND many many other apps taking cpu, wakelocks, and using data.. But it just doesn't happen in a sense rom because they get truly suspended in the background, and apps that really need to work in the background to be useful are in my experience , not affected.
TL;DR: Use a Sense Rom and worry less about battery and data.
I think I haven't seen a single review of Moto Z that isn't reporting the "too small 2600mAh" as the major "defect" of the phone...
Reading numbers and having an LG G2 that with it's 3000mAh battery was reported as one of the best "top of range" (of its years... obviously...) that with my over 400 apps installed barely reached 3.5h of SOT (Screen On Time, with no gaming, only Internet and apps...) and considering that Moto Z has on board a 2K screen which are known to be more energy hungry than full HD (as seen e.g. LG G2 vs. LG G3...) I was a bit worried too, so I decided to go with Incipio from day 1, having it ready when needed...
Well... it seems that the result is: Motorola 1 - Reviewers 0...
It's over a week I'm using and testing my Moto Z with same number of apps, usage and settings I had on G2... look at the results attached!
I've measured them with two of the best software available: Accubattery Pro & 3C Battery Pro, both available on Play Store (and I can confirm their readings with my direct impressions).
These are the results (min/max values as measured by the two apps...)
- SOT: 5h 32m - 6h 26m range
- Standby/screen off: 30h - 67h range
- Mixed/normal usage: 17h 18m - 19h 39m
These values are waaaay better than what I had on my G2 with similar setup/apps/usage (and it had 3000mAh battery...!), and surely suitable to cover a full day of usage... (mixed surely will increase when I'll stop to continuously look/tweak/modify my phone! :laugh.
Ok, I'm quite good on optimizing my phones to avoid wakelocks, unuseful starting & background apps (& so on...), but I think that this is a demostration of the *great* work done by Motorola boys on this phone...
As final considerations let me add that on screen off the battery usage is really LOW and on screen on, of the about 17-18%/h of battery usage, about 14-15%/h is from screen consumption (much higher than G2's IPS that can easily stay even under 10%/h if dimmed a bit), so if you are searching for even better battery time, limit display luminosity as much as possible and eventually try "pixels off" apps (not yet tested by me... only some blue screen filter when I'm on bed...) that could work fine on our Amoled display...
With Incipio battery installed you can consider about 2-3h more of SOT (depending if used to trickle charging main @80% or to recharge it from lower values, which seems less efficient to me...) and TONS of standby/screen off more hours... :fingers-crossed:
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I think I haven't seen a single review of Moto Z that isn't reporting the "too small 2600mAh" as the major "defect" of the phone...
Reading numbers and having an LG G2 that with it's 3000mAh battery was reported as one of the best "top of range" (of its years... obviously...) that with my over 400 apps installed barely reached 3.5h of SOT (Screen On Time, with no gaming, only Internet and apps...) and considering that Moto Z has on board a 2K screen which are known to be more energy hungry than full HD (as seen e.g. LG G2 vs. LG G3...) I was a bit worried too, so I decided to go with Incipio from day 1, having it ready when needed...
Well... it seems that the result is: Motorola 1 - Reviewers 0...
It's over a week I'm using and testing my Moto Z with same number of apps, usage and settings I had on G2... look at the results attached!
I've measured them with two of the best software available: Accubattery Pro & 3C Battery Pro, both available on Play Store (and I can confirm their readings with my direct impressions).
These are the results (min/max values as measured by the two apps...)
- SOT: 5h 32m - 6h 26m range
- Standby/screen off: 30h - 67h range
- Mixed/normal usage: 17h 18m - 19h 39m
These values are waaaay better than what I had on my G2 with similar setup/apps/usage (and it had 3000mAh battery...!), and surely suitable to cover a full day of usage... (mixed surely will increase when I'll stop to continuously look/tweak/modify my phone! :laugh.
Ok, I'm quite good on optimizing my phones to avoid wakelocks, unuseful starting & background apps (& so on...), but I think that this is a demostration of the *great* work done by Motorola boys on this phone...
As final considerations let me add that on screen off the battery usage is really LOW and on screen on, of the about 17-18%/h of battery usage, about 14-15%/h is from screen consumption (much higher than G2's IPS that can easily stay even under 10%/h if dimmed a bit), so if you are searching for even better battery time, limit display luminosity as much as possible and eventually try "pixels off" apps (not yet tested by me... only some blue screen filter when I'm on bed...) that could work fine on our Amoled display...
With Incipio battery installed you can consider about 2-3h more of SOT (depending if used to trickle charging main @80% or to recharge it from lower values, which seems less efficient to me...) and TONS of standby/screen off more hours... :fingers-crossed:
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I reach 3.5 hours of SOT, I noticed that Android and Google play services are draining battery really fast, second and third on Battery stats, what is your advice to avoid that huge draining?
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I reach 3.5 hours of SOT, I noticed that Android and Google play services are draining battery really fast, second and third on Battery stats, what is your advice to avoid that huge draining?
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Hi Julio, do you have root?
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Hi Julio, do you have root?
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Hi, does rooting drain the battery faster?
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Hi, does rooting drain the battery faster?
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It could... BUT I've asked for the opposite reason: to reduce most of drains (especially with hundred of apps installed like in my case...) root is *mandatory*...
@enetec
Which apps do you use with root to get better batterylife?
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@enetec
Which apps do you use with root to get better batterylife?
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Many. And with a combined "settings cocktail" I tuned up in years of experiment on my old G2... :cyclops:
Most important are:
- CPU Master Pro (or equivalents, like e.g. Fauxclock, to set frequencies, governor, etc...)
- Greenify Pro with Xposed extensions (to hybernate some apps during screen off)
- Leandroid Pro (to limit 3G/4G/WiFi/GPS/Bluetooth drains)
Optional/useful are:
- ES System Monitor (to limit apps startup on conditions)
- Amplify (Xposed module to reduce wakelocks)
- Wakelock detector (to... Guess! )
- Accubattery Pro and/or 3C Battery Monitor Pro to monitor battery usage by system, apps, screen & so on...
- Eyefilter and Monochrome to reduce screen consumption on dark places or (very) low battery conditions...
These are all quite technical apps with hundred of settings that require a good knowledge of Android system and apps to be properly set.
So, my hint is to start with one and set it properly then, eventually, decide to go with the next one...
Better is to start with monitor apps (battery, wakelocks...) and then, decide where to go with tune up, based on reported (by these apps) results...
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Hi Julio, do you have root?
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no, I dont want to root it yet because is a great phone, I have the unlocked 03 version, double sim and 64gb; but I installed wakelock detector and thses are the process always on top
1. Google play services with thousands of wakelocks, always on top " net_scheduler" and " wake:com.google.android.gms"
2. Phone services with "gsmconnection"
Any advice to stop those annoying wakelocks. I will root it if I have too.
Thank you so much
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no, I dont want to root it yet because is a great phone, I have the unlocked 03 version, double sim and 64gb
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Any advice to stop those annoying wakelocks. I will root it if I have too.
Thank you so much
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Julio, this not a full-of-features-out-of-the-box-crap like an S7..
This is a Moto Z! You should root it BECAUSE it is a great phone!
Seriuously, getting the better of Moto Z requires root... and a solution for your problem (probably...) too.
I had to Greenify Play Services on my old LG G2 (for your same reason) and even if I started without doing it on Moto Z, I ended to Greenify them on Z too...
They are a (needed but) invasive & not so optimized set of services that often eat a lot of battery on... random!
Sometimes after one update they begin, then after another they stop and so on...
A good start (before root) could be installing a battery monitor like 3C and then post here some screenshots taken at end of a day (battery low...) taken from battery usage on settings, from 3C and from WLD... then we will see what to do about them.
Anyway the couple Greenify Pro in at least Root mode and Amplify Pro (requires root too...) are surely capable of solve it in any way...
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Julio, this not a full-of-features-out-of-the-box-crap like an S7..
This is a Moto Z! You should root it BECAUSE it is a great phone!
Seriuously, getting the better of Moto Z requires root... and a solution for your problem (probably...) too.
I had to Greenify Play Services on my old LG G2 (for your same reason) and even if I started without doing it on Moto Z, I ended to Greenify them on Z too...
They are a (needed but) invasive & not so optimized set of services that often eat a lot of battery on... random!
Sometimes after one update they begin, then after another they stop and so on...
A good start (before root) could be installing a battery monitor like 3C and then post here some screenshots taken at end of a day (battery low...) taken from battery usage on settings, from 3C and from WLD... then we will see what to do about them.
Anyway the couple Greenify Pro in at least Root mode and Amplify Pro (requires root too...) are surely capable of solve it in any way...
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thanks for your support!
I will definitly root it eventualy, I have experience with my beloved Moto X.
What procedure do you recommend to root the moto z?
I will install 3C and post the screenshots, also with WLD.
regards my friend!
juliospinoza said:
thanks for your support!
I will definitly root it eventualy, I have experience with my beloved Moto X.
What procedure do you recommend to root the moto z?
I will install 3C and post the screenshots, also with WLD.
regards my friend!
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For the procedure simply follow the (working...) steps indicated in my "hacking experiences" post...
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I think I haven't seen a single review of Moto Z that isn't reporting the "too small 2600mAh" as the major "defect" of the phone...
Reading numbers and having an LG G2 that with it's 3000mAh battery was reported as one of the best "top of range" (of its years... obviously...) that with my over 400 apps installed barely reached 3.5h of SOT (Screen On Time, with no gaming, only Internet and apps...) and considering that Moto Z has on board a 2K screen which are known to be more energy hungry than full HD (as seen e.g. LG G2 vs. LG G3...) I was a bit worried too, so I decided to go with Incipio from day 1, having it ready when needed...
Well... it seems that the result is: Motorola 1 - Reviewers 0...
It's over a week I'm using and testing my Moto Z with same number of apps, usage and settings I had on G2... look at the results attached!
I've measured them with two of the best software available: Accubattery Pro & 3C Battery Pro, both available on Play Store (and I can confirm their readings with my direct impressions).
These are the results (min/max values as measured by the two apps...)
- SOT: 5h 32m - 6h 26m range
- Standby/screen off: 30h - 67h range
- Mixed/normal usage: 17h 18m - 19h 39m
These values are waaaay better than what I had on my G2 with similar setup/apps/usage (and it had 3000mAh battery...!), and surely suitable to cover a full day of usage... (mixed surely will increase when I'll stop to continuously look/tweak/modify my phone! :laugh.
Ok, I'm quite good on optimizing my phones to avoid wakelocks, unuseful starting & background apps (& so on...), but I think that this is a demostration of the *great* work done by Motorola boys on this phone...
As final considerations let me add that on screen off the battery usage is really LOW and on screen on, of the about 17-18%/h of battery usage, about 14-15%/h is from screen consumption (much higher than G2's IPS that can easily stay even under 10%/h if dimmed a bit), so if you are searching for even better battery time, limit display luminosity as much as possible and eventually try "pixels off" apps (not yet tested by me... only some blue screen filter when I'm on bed...) that could work fine on our Amoled display...
With Incipio battery installed you can consider about 2-3h more of SOT (depending if used to trickle charging main @80% or to recharge it from lower values, which seems less efficient to me...) and TONS of standby/screen off more hours... :fingers-crossed:
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I have been wondering how can you people achieve 6 hours of SOT where as I am hardly getting around 3.5 hours after mixed use. Also I am worrying about what is Android system which stands second in my battery usage.
Yeah the battery on the Moto Z is actually pretty good in my experience. Back on MM, I would regularly get over 7 hours SOT. On nougat thats dropped to 5.5-6 hours, but still better than my old nexus 6.
This is the worst battery in any phone I've ever had. I can't even get thru a day at work without it almost dying. I listen to some music thru Bluetooth speaker in my crane and it chops the battery in half in just and hour of listening. I do regret buying this phone but I gave my mate 9 to my step daughter. I will be buying a new phone soon and will never buy another Motorola phone.
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enetec said:
For the procedure simply follow the (working...) steps indicated in my "hacking experiences" post...
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Can you please provide the best possible apss/way to optimize battery for non rooted moto Z.. I want to extend my SOT from 3-3.5 hrs
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ethan3686 said:
Can you please provide the best possible apss/way to optimize battery for non rooted moto Z.. I want to extend my SOT from 3-3.5 hrs
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Without root you can only work with (half) Greenify and with screen luminosity (it has a great impact on SOT...) I think...
Obviously, removing "bad" apps like Facebook or Messenger is mandatory... change them with Lite FB (that is *not* FB Lite... )
jr313 said:
This is the worst battery in any phone I've ever had. I can't even get thru a day at work without it almost dying. I listen to some music thru Bluetooth speaker in my crane and it chops the battery in half in just and hour of listening. I do regret buying this phone but I gave my mate 9 to my step daughter. I will be buying a new phone soon and will never buy another Motorola phone.
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Yup true in terms of battery it's the worst phone to ever have!! Have to charge it twice a day and barely ever got above 3 hour of SOT! But what can you expect from a 2600mah battery for a qhd screen. If you want this phone then you have to buy the battery mod in order to avoid charging twice a day otherwise it's a waste if your buying this phone and expecting it to last you a day..
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Without root you can only work with (half) Greenify and with screen luminosity (it has a great impact on SOT...) I think...
Obviously, removing "bad" apps like Facebook or Messenger is mandatory... change them with Lite FB (that is *not* FB Lite... )
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What about rooted phones? What can we do with root and or xposed?
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Many. And with a combined "settings cocktail" I tuned up in years of experiment on my old G2... :cyclops:
Most important are:
- CPU Master Pro (or equivalents, like e.g. Fauxclock, to set frequencies, governor, etc...)
- Greenify Pro with Xposed extensions (to hybernate some apps during screen off)
- Leandroid Pro (to limit 3G/4G/WiFi/GPS/Bluetooth drains)
Optional/useful are:
- ES System Monitor (to limit apps startup on conditions)
- Amplify (Xposed module to reduce wakelocks)
- Wakelock detector (to... Guess! )
- Accubattery Pro and/or 3C Battery Monitor Pro to monitor battery usage by system, apps, screen & so on...
- Eyefilter and Monochrome to reduce screen consumption on dark places or (very) low battery conditions...
These are all quite technical apps with hundred of settings that require a good knowledge of Android system and apps to be properly set.
So, my hint is to start with one and set it properly then, eventually, decide to go with the next one...
Better is to start with monitor apps (battery, wakelocks...) and then, decide where to go with tune up, based on reported (by these apps) results...
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What about rooted phones? What can we do with root and or xposed?
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I Think it is quite well explained from in the post #7 from enetec. Not exactly on how to do it but some apps to get started with and do some more investigations around.
Check out the support thread for Moto Z issues found after Android update 7.1.1:
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Moto-Z/Moto-Z-extreme-battery-drain-after-7-1-1-update/td-p/3758100
I have two U11 (I'm going to return one, or both) and I noticed significant differences in terms of battery life between them.
Running PCMark battery life test, auto-brightness OFF, brightness MAX, one phone consistently gets 4h53 of screen on time, and the other one 5h08 (from 100% to 20% battery). That's a 5% difference and it's not negligible. Phones are the same otherwise in terms of apps installed. Problem is, the phone that has the worst battery life starts apps a TINY bit faster...
So the bottom line is, phones have significant manufacturing differences.... and I don't know which one to return.
They have same firmware and all identical? are you sure? maybe some app is configurated different or something.. or one battery its more degraded
5% is close negligible. I've got two U11 and they don't perform any differently. You aren't going to get identical numbers on two different handsets running benchmarks.
Hardware parts may be more or less efficient than each other. Radios on one device may be a few percent better. Honestly just send one back and get it done with. You also forget about coy CPU variances (no two chips are the same).
Different bin could be the reason there is a slight difference.
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They have same firmware and all identical? are you sure? maybe some app is configurated different or something.. or one battery its more degraded
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Hardware/ firmware / software is identical.
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5% is close negligible. I've got two U11 and they don't perform any differently. You aren't going to get identical numbers on two different handsets running benchmarks.
Hardware parts may be more or less efficient than each other. Radios on one device may be a few percent better. Honestly just send one back and get it done with. You also forget about coy CPU variances (no two chips are the same).
Different bin could be the reason there is a slight difference.
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Well the geekbench and 3D mark are exactly the same (like give or take 0.1%).
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Well the geekbench and 3D mark are exactly the same (like give or take 0.1%).
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Doesn't mean a battery benchmark is going to be within 0.1% the same as when you look at Youtubers who benchmark multiple of the same device and get somewhat different Antutu benchmark results.
5% is nothing to fuss over
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Doesn't mean a battery benchmark is going to be within 0.1% the same as when you look at Youtubers who benchmark multiple of the same device and get somewhat different Antutu benchmark results.
5% is nothing to fuss over
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It's like starting with a battery at 100% vs starting at a battery at 95%. For the rest of the life of the phone. Kind of a big deal.
Anyways, I'm running another test now with a low screen brightness, in case one screen was brighter than the other one (at max brightness) and drained more battery, I'll keep y'all posted.
Try with all radios (wi-fi, gsm, bluetooth, nfc, gps) off, even in location settings (disable scanning nearby devices for improved accuracy), and force stop all installed apps before the test. That gives me about 10 to 15 % increase on AnTuTu score. Maybe log cpu load and speed while testing as well.
I agree 5% is not a big deal, but would definitely keep the longer standing
Edit: force stopping because you may have installed the same apps, but most background processes won't load until you first time run their app, so one of the two "identical" devices may actually be running less apps in background. Best for testing would be to factory reset both devices and not load anything into them nor change any settings except the backlight for test.
How do you use both phones in the same manner to expect same result? You text same person with both phones making sure time taken to perform the task is same for both? And different phones have different usage pattern hence the 5% difference..??
Besides....that's 15mins. I definitely consider that as negligible. A 20% difference would be something to concern yourself about.
I dusted off my xda account to let you know that this latest software is great... Battery life finally doesn't drain when not used. (battery drain while not used drives me crazy, wife has iPhone... Always in use, it lasts forever)
Anyway Im the guy that never have problems, not many apps. No smart watch connected. Not rooted, not gamer, no cloud.
My battery used to drain like 15% overnight. Not anymore. It barely uses 40% a day.. Before it was about 75%.
I'm planning to freeze my software update app. Bc whatever they did is working great.
My device is more than 12 mo old, and i use the 85% charge limit (slowest possible charge). Unlocked US model directly from Samsung.
Yay.
Definitely package block updates if it's running well now.
you lucky guy! I'm waiting for the Pixel 7/7 pro and then I'll choose between them and the Zenfone 9. Samsung cheated me for the last time!
My phone is slower than my previus Op7Pro, battery drain is huge and it's always hot. I have it from July 21 but this summer the phone has been unusable under the sun or on the beach because of the huge thermal throttling. I had to splash in the swimming pool while taking photos of my children because it was very hot and went in thermal protection.
Battery life is terrible too, I've to charge at least twice a day even without using it.
Do you think is something that can be solved by the Samsung support?
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you lucky guy! I'm waiting for the Pixel 7/7 pro and then I'll choose between them and the Zenfone 9. Samsung cheated me for the last time!
My phone is slower than my previus Op7Pro, battery drain is huge and it's always hot. I have it from July 21 but this summer the phone has been unusable under the sun or on the beach because of the huge thermal throttling. I had to splash in the swimming pool while taking photos of my children because it was very hot and went in thermal protection.
Battery life is terrible too, I've to charge at least twice a day even without using it.
Do you think is something that can be solved by the Samsung support?
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Turn off global power management, find the battery/bandwidth hogs and deal with each on a case by case basis ie optimize it. All Samsung's should be optimized for best performance.
Package Disabler is something I always use but it's not my only tactic.
Since the N10+ Samsung has lost its balance.
That said my now cool running snappy fast N10+ was once a stuttering, hot running battery/bandwidth hungry hog. It doesn't seem like the same device now, it runs like a bat out of hell. Been running like this for 2 years on the same load. All you can do is try to optimize it.
Samsung Tech support? Bah-ha-ha-ha, don't count on it. Rarely are they helpful, but occasionally you get lucky. Updates tend to break not fix things... think before you click and disable all auto updates especially firmware.
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Turn off global power management, find the battery/bandwidth hogs and deal with each on a case by case basis ie optimize it. All Samsung's should be optimized for best performance.
Package Disabler is something I always use but it's not my only tactic.
Since the N10+ Samsung has lost its balance.
That said my now cool running snappy fast N10+ was once a stuttering, hot running battery/bandwidth hungry hog. It doesn't seem like the same device now, it runs like a bat out of hell. Been running like this for 2 years on the same load. All you can do is try to optimize it.
Samsung Tech support? Bah-ha-ha-ha, don't count on it. Rarely are they helpful, but occasionally you get lucky. Updates tend to break not fix things... think before you click and disable all auto updates especially firmware.
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thanks for your suggestion, this night (when my children will fall asleep XD ) I'll try to check. Where can I find the option to disable the global power management?
About the power governor I'm using the mid option named High ( I have Optimized - High - Maximum) but I've tried the other two options and wait I've seen is bad performance (no increase in battery life) or increase of the phone temperatures with no real benefit in the daily use.
I'm hating this phone, I'm thinking to change asap, I'm waiting for the Pixels, hoping Google is able to manage the thermal issues better than Samsung.
About the support I don't mean the one by the phone, I know it's useless , I would mean if my thermal and battery problems can be related to some hardware issues.
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thanks for your suggestion, this night (when my children will fall asleep XD ) I'll try to check. Where can I find the option to disable the global power management?
About the power governor I'm using the mid option named High ( I have Optimized - High - Maximum) but I've tried the other two options and wait I've seen is bad performance (no increase in battery life) or increase of the phone temperatures with no real benefit in the daily use.
I'm hating this phone, I'm thinking to change asap, I'm waiting for the Pixels, hoping Google is able to manage the thermal issues better than Samsung.
About the support I don't mean the one by the phone, I know it's useless , I would mean if my thermal and battery problems can be related to some hardware issues.
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It's in Device Care under battery. Individual app battery background settings don't invoke global power management so you can do that instead.
That's just the start. You probably need to use a package disabler or adb edits to disable about 70-80 bloatware apps.
This is how on my N10+'s its configured.
Unlike latter Samsung flagships the N10+ is a well balanced phone in terms of form factor, usability, functionality and power consumption.
It supports expandable storage up to 1tb.
It seems that disabling the global power management the slug mode has been disabled too. I need to check it in the next days if the situation stays like this or not. In any case I still need to block the bloatware.
Thanks for your help