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http://twitter.com/samsungukmobile/status/19827474965
We've seen a lot of Q's about the Froyo update; it's currently in development & will be released for all networks at the end of September...
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Which i'm guessing Mid-October for ATT i'm betting
jhego said:
http://twitter.com/samsungukmobile/status/19827474965
Which i'm guessing Mid-October of next year for ATT i'm betting
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There, I fixed it for you.
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Which i'm guessing Mid-October for ATT i'm betting
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My money's on mid December for ATT if it is released in September
But in all seriousness, just look at this as a prime example.
AT&T Tilt was released on October 4, 2007. The 6.1 update wasn't rolled out until August 4, 2008, almost a year after the phone was release. WM 6.1 was available to Carriers in April of 08, which is still half a year, so I do not expect a 2.2 update until sometime next year.
Damn ATT, here's hoping to a custom ROM right after September update.
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Damn ATT, here's hoping to a custom ROM right after September update.
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Oh, you know it. And we will all flash it.
Hopefully ATT wont lag on it, cuz Sprint just announced that there Evo will have 2.2 August 3rd.
I'm sure AT&T has their top android developers working on this..... Its too bad that their best ANDROID developers consist of three guys in a basement somewhere...
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All we need is a custom kernel for the Samsung Captivate and we can a bug free version of froyo on our devices right now.
To me, people need to stop asking about froyo. It's coming, it's announced and confirmed, that's great.
The question people need to be asking Samsung, so we can get them on the record committed to it now, is will you release a Gingerbread update for the phone as long as the hardware is capable of supporting it. The OS is only 2-3 months from being unveiled if Google sticks to their time table, and if the rumors are true it'll be a much bigger overhaul than 2.1-2.2 is.
So yeah, unless we want our phones to be outdated before the end of the year, we need to start making a push as a community to get a commitment from Samsung to support not just the OS that was released 4 months ago, but also the much bigger one that's right around the corner.
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To me, people need to stop asking about froyo. It's coming, it's announced and confirmed, that's great.
The question people need to be asking Samsung, so we can get them on the record committed to it now, is will you release a Gingerbread update for the phone as long as the hardware is capable of supporting it. The OS is only 2-3 months from being unveiled if Google sticks to their time table, and if the rumors are true it'll be a much bigger overhaul than 2.1-2.2 is.
So yeah, unless we want our phones to be outdated before the end of the year, we need to start making a push as a community to get a commitment from Samsung to support not just the OS that was released 4 months ago, but also the much bigger one that's right around the corner.
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You're right. Samsung has not even said what their plans for gingerbread are. I hope that they would upgrade to that too. Google said in april that gingerbread should be ready in november.
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Damn ATT, here's hoping to a custom ROM right after September update.
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shouldnt be an issue since Samsung released the source...
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shouldnt be an issue since Samsung released the source...
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Does having the source make it as likely we can have a custom Gingerbread ROM as a Froyo ROM?
I know patience is a virtue but man, i've been checking out the Evo 4G forum and there is so much activity and excitement about the successful leaked Froyo update. When is it our turn? I'm so jealous!!! Lol.
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All we need is a custom kernel for the Samsung Captivate and we can a bug free version of froyo on our devices right now.
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How do we make this happen? And god damnit i want a stage 2 speed fix for the captivate!
:'(
I mean just look at this, LOOK AT IT!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7201021&postcount=122
with the kernal patch this guy is getting double the quadrant score and is topping off way higher than a nexus 1 on froyo.
And to think the kernal patch is only necessary because samsung fked up in the firmware!? jUST WTF fix it!
damnit samsung.
good rant, ty.
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Does having the source make it as likely we can have a custom Gingerbread ROM as a Froyo ROM?
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i dont see why not.
I would think they would be stepping up the date as a lot of the other android phones are getting their froyo in August.
Right now I have a Google Huawei Nexus 6P, support for it will end this October (thanks google). I am considering jumping ship to HTC due to a few things: Sense being very Stock-ish, Speakers, and Optics. I am curious on how HTC's reliability is with Android Security Updates. I am aware on the full version changes (6.0 -> 7.0 -> 7.1) it will be nowhere near as fast as I am used to, but I am very curious about HTC's track record with providing timely security updates and how long they tend to support their phones.
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I am very curious about HTC's track record with providing timely security updates and how long they tend to support their phones.
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Better than average OEM, but still not great. They tend to keep their flagships alive for at least two years, e.g. HTC One m9 released in March of 2015 is still being updated but I highly doubt it will get Android O.
My EMEA unlocked One m9 is currently on Nougat 7.0 with security patch February 1st, and EMEA unlocked HTC 10 Lifestyle is on Nougat 7.0 with security patch December 1st 2016. Carrier's versions in Europe are usually updated shortly after Unlocked, that rule does not apply to USA.
TL;DR: If you want bleeding-edge updates Pixel is the only way to go; if not, then HTC is fairly reliable*.
*applies only to flagships, HTC abandoned some of their budget devices shortly after release.
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Better than average OEM, but still not great. They tend to keep their flagships alive for at least two years, e.g. HTC One m9 released in March of 2015 is still being updated but I highly doubt it will get Android O.
My EMEA unlocked One m9 is currently on Nougat 7.0 with security patch February 1st, and EMEA unlocked HTC 10 Lifestyle is on Nougat 7.0 with security patch December 1st 2016. Carrier's versions in Europe are usually updated shortly after Unlocked, that rule does not apply to USA.
TL;DR: If you want bleeding-edge updates Pixel is the only way to go; if not, then HTC is fairly reliable*.
*applies only to flagships, HTC abandoned some of their budget devices shortly after release.
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Does HTC release the OTA's for the unlocked device?
I guess official RUU's will be available since it's not a VZW restricted device?
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Does HTC release the OTA's for the unlocked device?
I guess official RUU's will be available since it's not a VZW restricted device?
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HTC US does not officially release the US Unlocked OTAs, but links to them get captured and posted here on XDA and the zips also get re-hosted on AFH. US Unlocked RUUs are usually posted by HTC US a bit after the corresponding OTA starts rolling out, but again the links are guessed ahead of time and RUU executables as well as RUU zips and decrypted firmware are posted. The threads are already here.
VZW RUUs are more like RUUs for non-US markets - RUU zips usually become available from unofficial sources. Obviously, there is no Verizon firmware for U11.
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Judging by post-Nougat HTC 10, US Unlocked gets security updates relatively frequently, maybe every other month. Other regions are SOL, still stuck on January.
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Better than average OEM, but still not great. They tend to keep their flagships alive for at least two years, e.g. HTC One m9 released in March of 2015 is still being updated but I highly doubt it will get Android O.
My EMEA unlocked One m9 is currently on Nougat 7.0 with security patch February 1st, and EMEA unlocked HTC 10 Lifestyle is on Nougat 7.0 with security patch December 1st 2016. Carrier's versions in Europe are usually updated shortly after Unlocked, that rule does not apply to USA.
TL;DR: If you want bleeding-edge updates Pixel is the only way to go; if not, then HTC is fairly reliable*.
*applies only to flagships, HTC abandoned some of their budget devices shortly after release.
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If I wanted the bleeding edge of updates I would stay go with the xl version of the pixel coming this October (when support for my phone ends, again... thanks Google). I honestly don't want a Pixel for various reasons, that is why I am looking at HTC. My only concern is security patches. I find it concerning that the 10 Lifestyle (Basically HTC 10 but with 3gb of RAM and a Snapdragon 625... right?) is still on December 1st 2016, but maybe Europe is just behind...
Oh, and I am not in the market for a budget HTC phone... besides in the US the only phones we can buy from HTC's website (that I can see) are the HTC U11, HTC U Ultra, HTC 10, HTC Bolt (so the flagships and their larger, lower spec'd counterparts). And I would never get a phone carrier locked (flashback to the days of using a Verizon locked android phone *shivers in terror*).
I probably misworded what I asked.
I meant is, if I am on a bring your own setup, (U11 on Verizon for example), who offers for OTA the patches and updates?
It seems to me Verizon woudn't its not their software. Would Google or HTC?
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I probably misworded what I asked.
I meant is, if I am on a bring your own setup, (U11 on Verizon for example), who offers for OTA the patches and updates?
It seems to me Verizon woudn't its not their software. Would Google or HTC?
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HTC, since you'd be using the US Unlocked version of U11.
HTC seem to be very poor at releasing security updates to be honest.
The only real vendor that actually does it monthly appears to be Google themselves or a 3rd party like Lineage.
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HTC seem to be very poor at releasing security updates to be honest.
The only real vendor that actually does it monthly appears to be Google themselves or a 3rd party like Lineage.
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Currently using the Xperia X Compact until the U11 comes out and they've done a monthly update since release. Sony is pretty great about it now.
Got a Sony tablet and they have been pretty quick at updates on that (despite dropping Tablets from their lineup) but I don't get monthly updates tho
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Currently using the Xperia X Compact until the U11 comes out and they've done a monthly update since release. Sony is pretty great about it now.
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this just sounds anectodal. One device getting a update is no guarantee the rest of the devices will get it.
Frankly, all OEM's are as bad. Sometimes they are better, sometimes not. My 10 still has Jan patch and android 7.0. Not that i think u there is anything wrong with the current software, and security is quite vague. I dont know of a single instance where people has been exposed to risks or data loss because of a old patch level.
Often people download bad apps and thats just like windows, if you download trojans there is nothing htc or google can do for you.
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HTC seem to be very poor at releasing security updates to be honest.
The only real vendor that actually does it monthly appears to be Google themselves or a 3rd party like Lineage.
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Very poor compared to who ? Maybe Google on the pixel series but pretty much no other. Look at Samsung they take 6 months to get system updates if not longer. Htc has in the past promised system updates with in 90 days. I do not think its fair to call Htc's updates system or security to be poor. Calling Samsungs poor would be more correct and honest.
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Very poor compared to who ? Maybe Google on the pixel series but pretty much no other. Look at Samsung they take 6 months to get system updates if not longer. Htc has in the past promised system updates with in 90 days. I do not think its fair to call Htc's updates system or security to be poor. Calling Samsungs poor would be more correct and honest.
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You mean the S7 with April security updates, the S8 with its May ones.
LG are also on April.
Can call it pretty poor with EMEA being on January.
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You mean the S7 with April security updates, the S8 with its May ones.
LG are also on April.
Can call it pretty poor with EMEA being on January.
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My Note 5 received the May security update a couple of days back. They always seem timely with the security updates, it's the general updates that take longer. I only received Android 7 a couple of months ago on it.
A timely article:
https://www.androidcentral.com/just...-months?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
These models have security updates from the last 2 months, although it can't be strictly true.
My mom's Sony Z5 (E6653) is not receiving any update for month... last was Android 7.1.1 with Security Update from September 2017.
My wife's HTC U11 is on Android 8.0 with November 2017 Security.
So I can't recommend any of those company's.
But Samsung is not better - when your mobile gets older > 2y your out of support....
This situation is really poor - hope it get better with Android 8.
Since OP6 is launching with oreo on board and Android P beta is already available for OP6 does that mean that the next major android version will be the last update for the OP6 as OEM like to follow 2 major upgrades for their flagships ?
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Since OP6 is launching with oreo on board and Android P beta is already available for OP6 does that mean that the next major android version will be the last update for the OP6 as OEM like to follow 2 major upgrades for their flagships ?
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Maybe because OnePlus 3 was launched with marshmallow and last major update was oreo so it could be but OnePlus 6 will support Project Treble so don't know for sure but I think it'll recieve more updates.
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Maybe because OnePlus 3 was launched with marshmallow and last major update was oreo so it could be but OnePlus 6 will support Project Treble so don't know for sure but I think it'll recieve more updates.
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Oneplus should extend the support period to 3 years as with pixel 2 phone.
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Oneplus should extend the support period to 3 years as with pixel 2 phone.
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I thought with Project Treble it will get P, Q & R ?
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I thought with Project Treble it will get P, Q & R ?
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Let's hope for it.
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Let's hope for it.
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Absolutely
Absolutely not, guaranteed
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I thought with Project Treble it will get P, Q & R ?
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What about S, T etc.? Or am I missing something?
I think that support for a phone depends on its popularity, the manufacturers do not follow strict guidelines, I mean, they respect their promises but they may extend support if a product is very popular and has a very large user base. And I predict that the OP6 will be very popular because it doesn't have obvious shortcomings, it looks to be ticking all the essential boxes.
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What about S, T etc.? Or am I missing something?
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Or maybe Z ver. Do you wanna keep your phone till 2040?
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Or maybe Z ver. Do you wanna keep your phone till 2040?
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Why not?
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Why not?
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Hahaha...keep dreaming
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Hahaha...keep dreaming
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My question was especially if there are plans after Android R or if Google already mentioned something that it will stop. I thought I maybe missed something (also looking at Fuchsia).
I don't get why people worry SO much about what versions of android a device will get as long as it gets solid security updates for at least a year after release. If the phone is very good already, would it be such torture to keep living with it the way it is? Don't think so.
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I don't get why people worry SO much about what versions of android a device will get as long as it gets solid security updates for at least a year after release. If the phone is very good already, would it be such torture to keep living with it the way it is? Don't think so.
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It wouldn't be torture, but it would be nice to think you can use the phone for a few years and be running the latest and greatest software on it, without the need for upgrading the phone to the newest model.
So, the phone is just released and we're already talking about his its end of support? :laugh:
if not there will always be project trebble roms for it .
Here's the official Software Support outline from OnePlus
https://forums.oneplus.com/threads/oneplus-software-maintenance-schedule.862347/
So two years means Android Q for sure but maybe not Android R .
One Plus 6 was released in about April 2018, Pie comes out is released in September
April 2019 One Plus 7??? then Android Q in about September.
The One Plus 6 would be about a year and a half old.
April 2020 One Plus 8 ???? then Android R in September but then the One Plus 6 would be 2 and a half .... may not see Android R
I can live with that replacing a cell phone every two years is not unreasonable.
What bother me about software cycles is I know this is all arbitrary and is done so we would want to buy new phones.
Meanwhile if I wanted to root, I am sure my One Plus 6 will work with third party ROMs "download them from XDA" many years after OnePlus abandons my device.
It will receive Android R
Op6 will be updated to Android R as op3/3t launched with marshmallow and officially will be updated to Android pie as confirmed by OnePlus...Op 6 n Op6t(already launched on pie.. so definitely Android R) will receive Android R
I notice that there is a new update to ATH9 for the exynos B version. Do the snapdragon models get slower updates?
yes
And it seems the n9860 gets them slowest of all!
Wanted to ask same question, is there a way to get faster updates?
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I notice that there is a new update to ATH9 for the exynos B version. Do the snapdragon models get slower updates?
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My HK one is still on ATH1 with August patch... Really slow...
Just got the update. Finally
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Just got the update. Finally
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"Finally"?? It's still September, and you already got the September patch! That's INCREDIBLY FAST. Some of us are old enough to remember what really slow updates were like. *Sheesh*....kids today... :laugh:
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"Finally"?? It's still September, and you already got the September patch! That's INCREDIBLY FAST. Some of us are old enough to remember what really slow updates were like. *Sheesh*....kids today... :laugh:
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People seem to not realize that even by Google standards, 90 days is acceptable for patch currency.
It's relative to updates on other versions of the 20 ultra.
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It's relative to updates on other versions of the 20 ultra.
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I guess I fail to see the point in caring that much about it.
Like are people really choosing devices based on which might get an update sooner in a thirty day window?
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I guess I fail to see the point in caring that much about it.
Like are people really choosing devices based on which might get an update sooner in a thirty day window?
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Just because you fail to see a point doesn't mean there isn't a point.
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Just because you fail to see a point doesn't mean there isn't a point.
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Never said there wasn't a point, I said I failed to see it.
But also having a point doesn't make it useful, but thanks for clarifying my previous question.
of course no. Local market for samsung ( korea) has snapdragon, so it makes no sense to update it slower. Other point is that exynos need MUCH MORE fixes especially on when it just started to sale and it must be done before black friday/ christmas etc..
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of course no. Local market for samsung ( korea) has snapdragon, so it makes no sense to update it slower. Other point is that exynos need MUCH MORE fixes especially on when it just started to sale and it must be done before black friday/ christmas etc..
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Why does the exynos need more fixes and the Korean model is updated later than snapdragons in the states and exynos model. We got our updates usually a week or two after the US.
Nevermind if you look up the firmware, the 9860 model is still on a September 1 security patch where as the Exynos model is on October already. Korea is also on Sept 1
ATJ1 just dropped.
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Why does the exynos need more fixes and the Korean model is updated later than snapdragons in the states and exynos model. We got our updates usually a week or two after the US.
Nevermind if you look up the firmware, the 9860 model is still on a September 1 security patch where as the Exynos model is on October already. Korea is also on Sept 1
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First of all it may depend on market and users (specific servisas ir apps) so because of different date of "security" updates. But let's be honest no body knows what's comes as an extra for that "security updates". It's obvious that exynos version is fail in this generation, so constant updates called "bug fixing " wouobnt be good for marketing part - samsung still denies that exynos is worse that snapdragon, so they need to fix it asap QUIETLY. And know it works even better, because more frequent fixes some people thinks that it gets updates sooner lets be real snapdragon get most valuable markets, so it makes no sense mess it up with late updates . It just no need to fix it so much.. by the way all testing devices which goes to "tech blogging " is on snapdragon Guess why...
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First of all it may depend on market and users (specific servisas ir apps) so because of different date of "security" updates. But let's be honest no body knows what's comes as an extra for that "security updates". It's obvious that exynos version is fail in this generation, so constant updates called "bug fixing " wouobnt be good for marketing part - samsung still denies that exynos is worse that snapdragon, so they need to fix it asap QUIETLY. And know it works even better, because more frequent fixes some people thinks that it gets updates sooner lets be real snapdragon get most valuable markets, so it makes no sense mess it up with late updates . It just no need to fix it so much.. by the way all testing devices which goes to "tech blogging " is on snapdragon Guess why...
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So what I think I gather from this is you don't know what you meant by exynos needing more updates to fix it up (both chipsets have gotten basically the same number of updates).
You want to come out so hard against exynos (no idea why, it depends totally on region if you have to deal with it or not) that you forget exynos is always the first to update. The Korean Snapdragon doesn't even update before the exynos.
Can we please stick to what we know and save the fanboy speculation for the comments under a sammobile article. Geez Louise.
And late updates? I guess if samsung listed a time that you should expect an update you could classify it as late. But that is different from when you think you SHOULD get an update. Two generations ago we were getting an update every 90 days. Now people are crying over an update coming at the end of the month.
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So what I think I gather from this is you don't know what you meant by exynos needing more updates to fix it up (both chipsets have gotten basically the same number of updates).
You want to come out so hard against exynos (no idea why, it depends totally on region if you have to deal with it or not) that you invite exynos is always the first to update. The Korean Snapdragon doesn't even update before the exynos.
Can we please stick to what we know and save the fanboy speculation for the comments under a sammobile article. Geez Louise.
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It has nothing to do with being fan boy or so. It's just a facts. I have nothing against exynos, it just fact that is it not as good as snapdragon. And now it just a marketing strategies to "solve it" until all that shopping parade called black friday, 11.11, Christmas etc..
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It has nothing to do with being fan boy or so. It's just a facts. I have nothing against exynos, it just fact that is it not as good as snapdragon. And now it just a marketing strategies to "solve it" until all that shopping parade called black friday, 11.11, Christmas etc..
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The majority of plain jane cell phone owners aren't on XDA at all. Grab a random person on the street and ask them what security update they are on and see what they say.
You're living in this tech blog vacuum where users slap fight over graphite pads vs copper vapor cooling. While the other 90 something percent of users don't even know what you are on about. And that is a very generous estimation when you look at a given generations phone sells compared to the number of registered XDA users.
It's funny you call exynos being updated earlier a marketing ploy but show me one ad that mentions how fast the monthly updates come (compared to other chipsets).
Average users aren't excited to reboot their phones more than once a month for an update, so more or faster or wherever you are saying is a "marketing strategy" seems a bit off the mark.
Let's be real, the only people the updates make any impact on are the people that already have the phone, and even smaller in that community are those that even care.
Hey Guys,
It's been a while since I last used a Samsung device, my last one being a Galaxy S3! Since then I've used Nexus and Pixel devices which get updates immediately, although I don't except Samsung to match the speed, I was just curious to hear from long time Samsung users to know how far has Samsung come to quickly rollout updates?
Thanks!
They've gotten much much better. I'm not sure if it's the same with unlocked versions but I get updates pretty quickly compared to how it used to be through my carrier.
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I would think a public beta would be coming pretty soon and full rollout for Android 11 by end of the year.
The Samsung Wearable app just received an update for OS R support.
Public Beta for OneUI 2.0 began on Oct 14th last year for select devices. Seems Samsung may be slightly ahead of the schedule they were on last year so I'm hoping we see a public beta for one ui 3.0 in the next 2-3 weeks. Beta will likely open up to S20 line first then the Note line. If you are on either S20 or Note 20 I would expect official stable release before the year is out. Likely sometime in the month of December.
I was on a Verizon branded note 10+ that time last year and got the Android 10 update towards the end of December.
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They've gotten much much better. I'm not sure if it's the same with unlocked versions but I get updates pretty quickly compared to how it used to be through my carrier.
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Great to hear! I remember on my S3 I used to get so frustrated with the amount of time Samsung used to take to rollout updates. I own the AT&T Note 20 Ultra, hopefully it won't be delayed for long
I want to say it was January until I got the update on my unlocked Note 10.
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I want to say it was January until I got the update on my unlocked Note 10.
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Was December 19 for mines... But I had the exynos variant.
Well, their testing Android 11 with OneUI 3.0 for the S20 series, no word yet on the Note 20 series
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Honestly back then it made a noticeable difference in feature sets. That's no longer the case TBH. Samsung runs a pretty refined software experience, and stock android is now kanging Samsung. Almost every feature Google introduces, Samsung has had for some time.