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graphic card on msm7227 same as snapdragon qsd8650

msn7227 has same graphic processor as snapdragon QSD8650 (AMD z430)
here the proof
msm7227:
http://www.glbenchmark.com/resultdetails.jsp?benchmark=glpro11&resultid=9480443&D=LGE
QSD8650:
http://www.glbenchmark.com/resultdetails.jsp?benchmark=glpro11&resultid=9334470&D=LG GW820
thats very good for the upcoming 7227 devices..

lol
Do this mean that the Drivers for example from Leo must to work on Blackstone too?

tsalta said:
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Do this mean that the Drivers for example from Leo must to work on Blackstone too?
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no i dont think so ...
blackstone has msm7201a that has the old generation graphics Q3Dimension MSM7500W
and the msm7227 ,Snapdragon QSD8250 B and QSD8650 has AMD z430 .
i am waiting for the msm7227 3d benchmarks to how good are they really..

hm interesting... I thought before that MSM7227, like MSM7225, have not ATI inside at all.

Cotulla said:
hm interesting... I thought before that MSM7227, like MSM7225, have not ATI inside at all.
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i think qualcomm will not say that msm7227 has AMD Z430 ,not to effect snapdragon party.

sx1-doc said:
i think qualcomm will not say that msm7227 has AMD Z430 ,not to effect snapdragon party.
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It wouldn't affect it. Snapdragon has faster CPU and supports 720p video where 7227 supports only WVGA and has 600mhz ARM11 CPU.
They're in completely different leagues.

MSM7227 also have VFP (floating point unit) like 8250.
not sure how fast MSM7227 will be, but 8250 is really fast

Cotulla said:
MSM7227 also have VFP (floating point unit) like 8250.
not sure how fast MSM7227 will be, but 8250 is really fast
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i totally agree with you,but as i know msm7227 is a lowend CPU that have the goodies of highend CPU ,and trust me 600 mhz cpu +AMD 430 + good Drivers should deliver enough power to rum xp or even ubuntu with good speed.
let microsoft stop whining about WM7 requirement with 1ghz cpu and all the crap,just piss me of.

sx1-doc said:
i totally agree with you,but as i know msm7227 is a lowend CPU that have the goodies of highend CPU ,and trust me 600 mhz cpu +AMD 430 + good Drivers should deliver enough power to rum xp or even ubuntu with good speed.
let microsoft stop whining about WM7 requirement with 1ghz cpu and all the crap,just piss me of.
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Do you even know what you're talking about?
MSM7227 is nothing more than upgraded MSM7201 which is by many users considered piece of sh*t.
Compared to qsd8250 it is nothing but low end.
Besides 600mhz ARM11 CPU can't compete with any higher end device, so making it a minimum for WP7S would be pointless, especially considering the timeframe.
So stop whining. I don't see people whining about ipad having 1Ghz CPU...
Other way around. If MS would make lower minimum requirements people would complain that they are not competitive where others use better parts.
P.S. You can't run XP on it! XP is x86 based not ARM based so there is no way you could run it.
For ubuntu I would recommend something faster than 600mhz...

Maybe it's not fast enough for ubuntu or Win7 or whatever, but thanks for that info. HTC just put out the Legend, an android device, which is supposed to supersede the HTC Hero. From what we've seen there was nothing substantial to differentiate the 2 (apart from a dozen of Mhz clockspeed and some ram), but this is quite substancial news to us

it feels like wm7 will be hacked ,ported to the current devices in a way or another(time will tell).
let me say one more thing ,what i meant that msm7227 doesn't seem so bad as it has been describe on couple of web pages .
i didnt try to compare snapdragon power to msm7227 ,all i want do say that they have the same graphic processor (and thats a good push).

sx1-doc said:
it feels like wm7 will be hacked ,ported to the current devices in a way or another(time will tell).
let me say one more thing ,what i meant that msm7227 doesn't seem so bad as it has been describe on couple of web pages .
i didnt try to compare snapdragon power to msm7227 ,all i want do say that they have the same graphic processor (and thats a good push).
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To port WP7 you need drivers. We don't have them. To make drivers you need band of developers spending their free time trying to write them all by themselves or at best trying to port drivers from newer devices.
Only device which could probably/maybe run WP7 is HD2. End of story.
Don't fool yourself thinking that WP7 will be ported for old QVGA devices or even newer devices like Diamond, X1 or even HD(Blackstone) and not just because of MS but because ODM don't want to invest in old devices when they can invest in newer(which they can then sell and get some profit from it). End of story.
About msm7227. It's not bad. It is what msm7201 should be from the beginning but unfortunately now it is nothing more than mid class.

Of course this chipset has a less performant cpu than the snapdragon, but since they have the same gpu they will offer equal 3d performance. My demo here shows that the HD2 is very powerfull when it comes to extensive per-pixel calculations. The demo uses the gpu as much as possible, the speed of the cpu doesn't matter. So I think that my demo might run even faster on the HD mini than on the HD2, since it has less that half that much pixels compared to the HD2. We'll see
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Epic fail
All i have to say is -Mytouch 3g slide-. this entire thread is one "Epic fail" of, well , i guess some sort of debate of wits. The MTS has the ARM 600 and it is BEAST!!!! Say what you will about this comment but the fact remains that this phone has proven you all wrong. Cheap, low-end, crap..... none of it true when HTC and Android 2.1 combined to use this hardware and created this device...
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[INFO] WTH is this A9 and A8 Cortex stuff ?? The Sensation CPU is A9 Period.

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title says it all.

Is that Wikipedia? lol
Anyways, from what I've learned, the 8660/8260 are mixes of A8 and A9.

Considering it lists the single core snapdragons as a8, and the dual core snapdragon as a9, when they both contain the same cpu design, that source clearly has issues. Its neither a8 nor a9 but performance wise its somewhere in between. Though it has better neon performance than both.

The Orion cpu is still much more effcient and better anyway... it is also equipped with a better gpu (mali 400)

Its based off the 8's design, just a bit modified.

The dual core snapdragon also includes asynchronous clocking of the cores which depending on the workload could make it more battery efficient.

It's completely irrelevant anyway.
ARM is the company who gives licenses to other company to use their technology, but it's not a final product.
The thing that matters is the actual performance.

As mentioned before, ARM is the company whose designs all of these CPUs are based upon.
Apple, Samsung, nvidia, Qualcomm, TI, LG, and others license these designs and are at liberty to make changes to how they behave.
The differences between all of the dual-core versions from these companies is vast, not taking into consideration which GPU they use.
The Tegra 2, for example, doesn't have the per-core throttling that Qualcomm and others will probably have. This is probably a result of how quick to market the Tegra 2 was and how efficiently nvidia can produce chips.
It's all very fascinating, and I'm looking forward to owning an A5, Tegra 2, and MSM at the same time.

kampf said:
As mentioned before, ARM is the company whose designs all of these CPUs are based upon.
Apple, Samsung, nvidia, Qualcomm, TI, LG, and others license these designs and are at liberty to make changes to how they behave.
The differences between all of the dual-core versions from these companies is vast, not taking into consideration which GPU they use.
The Tegra 2, for example, doesn't have the per-core throttling that Qualcomm and others will probably have. This is probably a result of how quick to market the Tegra 2 was and how efficiently nvidia can produce chips.
It's all very fascinating, and I'm looking forward to owning an A5, Tegra 2, and MSM at the same time.
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Despite having "vast" differences there are very few differences speed differences between CPUS.
The biggest differences between the hummingbird and the snapdragon is the GPU.

actually it s not A9 nor A8, it is at base an enhanced A8 that is similar to A9 architecture in many ways, but has some tweaks up it sleves, Qualcomm call this architecture "Scorpio"
hope this will clear it up:http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011...-cpu-and-gpu-chipsets-coming-later-this-year/

^^ I agree. I did some research into the A8, A9, and core differences again last night. The MSM chip used in the Sensation is a much-modified A8. Qualcomm loves to tinker with the ARM designs.
I do think it's still probably a better chip than the Tegra2, but not the A5/Exy.

Well,it really isn't A8 nor A9.We could say Qualcomm has its "own'' architecture.The Snapdragon's first generation(HD2,Desire etc) was very very close to the A8.The second gen Snapdragon is more A9 than A8.Enhanced chipsets,faster memories,larger RAM etc are all part of it.And Qualcomm's were the only single-core chipsets that could boast this much.Overclockable @2+ GHz without getting fried?I am running my Desire HD daily @1.8GHz and it's stable,it doesn't get hot and it feels faster and smoother than everything I have laid hands onto.
I am very excited to see what the Sensation will bring.AND if it'll rival the Galaxy S 2.

tolis626 said:
Well,it really isn't A8 nor A9.We could say Qualcomm has its "own'' architecture.The Snapdragon's first generation(HD2,Desire etc) was very very close to the A8.The second gen Snapdragon is more A9 than A8.Enhanced chipsets,faster memories,larger RAM etc are all part of it.And Qualcomm's were the only single-core chipsets that could boast this much.Overclockable @2+ GHz without getting fried?I am running my Desire HD daily @1.8GHz and it's stable,it doesn't get hot and it feels faster and smoother than everything I have laid hands onto.
I am very excited to see what the Sensation will bring.AND if it'll rival the Galaxy S 2.
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regardless of if it is closer to a9 or not, it's competitors are putting up better benchmarks, so we end up getting ****tier hardware.

Samsung Exynos 4212. Finally the Apple A5 killer?

Every device these days has dual core Cortex-A9 based SoCs. And that's every SoC; The Exynos 4210, the Qualcomm S3, the Apple A5, and the Exynos 4212.
Recently Samsung announced a new 4212 based on 32nm architecture that can reach speeds of 1.5 GHz, and has "50% faster 3D graphics performance". The old 4210 in the SGS2 uses 45nm processing, which uses much more power, and has a fairly slow GPU (Mali400MP4) compared to the A5 (SGX543MP2).
See here:
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Going by this chart, a 50% boost should put the new Exynos, rumored to be used in the Nexus Prime, at over 100 FPS off screen.
Since Apple takes excessive care over battery life, we can expect the iPhone 5/4S variant of the A5 to run at 700-800 MHz, underclocked fron the iPad 2.
This would mean the Exynos 4212's CPU runs at almost double the clock speed of the iPhone 5.
So do you think the (estimated) 33% loss in GPU performance in the Nexus Prime with the 4212 would be worth the gain of maybe double the CPU performance compared to the A5?
I think we finally see an A5 killer here.
That is, unless Apple decides to throw away its battery life throne and clock the iPhone 5 at at least 1.2 GHz.
Am I suggesting losing battery life for gains in CPU performance that many users may not notice is worth it? Not necessarily. Just pointing out that Apple may have met its match.
But then again, the A5 is 45nm and the Exynos is 32nm, so power consumption may be similar .

If this is supposed to go in some other section, please move it.

longer battery life + unnoticeable performance gain ftw

Some people think that's more important.

How can you expect a chipset that move a 50% more of 67fps that is 100.5fps on a 800x480p screen be better than other that moves 148 on a 1024x768?
Oh and the iphone screen it is 960, so with less mhz will move the same fps as the ipad.
No, the new gpu of samsung it is still worse than the A5 in equal comparison and after more than 6 months.

kersh said:
How can you expect a chipset that move a 50% more of 67fps that is 100.5fps on a 800x480p screen be better than other that moves 148 on a 1024x768?
Oh and the iphone screen it is 960, so with less mhz will move the same fps as the ipad.
No, the new gpu of samsung it is still worse than the A5 in equal comparison and after more than 6 months.
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Read the image smart one. It is a 1280x720 off screen test for each device in the chart. They are all rendering at the same resolution.

Let's hope they are able to find a working balance between performance and battery life. Because it's the combination that entices users.
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kersh said:
How can you expect a chipset that move a 50% more of 67fps that is 100.5fps on a 800x480p screen be better than other that moves 148 on a 1024x768?
Oh and the iphone screen it is 960, so with less mhz will move the same fps as the ipad.
No, the new gpu of samsung it is still worse than the A5 in equal comparison and after more than 6 months.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Look at this smart guy.
As iPwn already said,you idiotic iFan,they all run the test at the same resolution.Not to mention that the chips in the iPad are larger,which means more transistors are placed in one chip,thus making it more powerful BUT MORE POWER CONSUMING.The variant in the iPhone won't just be underclocked,I can vouch for that.
Next time read before you post sh!t please,will ya?

tolis626 said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Look at this smart guy.
As iPwn already said,you idiotic iFan,they all run the test at the same resolution.Not to mention that the chips in the iPad are larger,which means more transistors are placed in one chip,thus making it more powerful BUT MORE POWER CONSUMING.The variant in the iPhone won't just be underclocked,I can vouch for that.
Next time read before you post sh!t please,will ya?
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Lol this hahaha
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HTC Edge - Rumored To Be The First Quad-Core Phone

While we already know the world's first quad-core tablet will be the ASUS Transformer Prime, we just got a glimpse of the first quad-core phone. It's rumored to be called the HTC Edge, and the hardware sounds completely beast.
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4.7-inch 720p display
1.5GHz quad-core Tegra 3 processor
1GB RAM
8MP f/2.2 lens
10mm thick
There is one small detail that you may have already noticed: capacitive buttons. Of course, that doesn't mean this phone won't come with ICS right out of the gate, it just means that it won't take advantage of on-screen buttons.
According to PocketNow, we could see this device hit stores in late Q1 or early Q2 of next year, though carrier info is nowhere to be found.
Via: androidpolice.com

Beast indeed but these are just first renders so the capacitive buttons can be removed in final version. Sensation was different too at the first renders.

John2y said:
Beast indeed but these are just first renders so the capacitive buttons can be removed in final version. Sensation was different too at the first renders.
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They will keep those buttons, htc won't spoil Sense by adding those buttons.
If they do so they will restyle them and release a phone with no hardware buttons.

4.7 is too large for a phone imo.
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nice!
on the list for my possible next phone.
pocketable tablets...

yeah, i dont think thats it, if it would be a quad core, id think there would be more ram, and it would probably run ics, but it still has those capacitive buttons. just doesnt add for me
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usb charging port - bad position
I don't like the position of the micro USB socket.
I have a sensation and the side mount is a pain, especially when charging in a car holder.

A quad core should have at least 2GB RAM to accompany it, 1GB is to small. But, am I the only one happy to see HTC is ditching Qualcomm for Tegra 3? I like snapdragon but Qualcomm is horrible with developing GPUs compared to imagination(SGX). I know AMD has better GPUs that Qual can base theirs on.

design is crap and the specs are not really that impressive..at all

some say dual core is an over kill, imagine quad core

I'd like to see them one up the Galaxy Nexus and increase the resolution even further, seeing as how HTC doesn't use Super AMOLED Plus displays.
Also only 8mega pixels? Its like they reuse the same sensors (I know they don't) but they should really make it a 12 mp camera, with a 5 mega pixel front camera.

this beast would drain your battery so fast probaly it would not last more than 3-4 hours unless htc make a battery 4000-5000mah size
this could be better if they use a 12 megapixel and 2 gig of ram.
for cpu side i love nvidia because i use gt550 ti graphic card in my computer and i can say no one make better grapic ships than nvidia and to use a graphic and cpu from nvidia is a big thumbs up.
This phone shouldnt be bigger than 4.3/4.5 because 4.7 is massive and and beside these phones are getting bigger every day . beside i personally think 4.3 inch is perfect for phone and i mean 4.3 sensation style and not desire hd becasue desire hd screen is to wide. but sensation is just perfect.
i hope this phone dont have over heating issue or bad battery life becaus ethis would ruin the whole phone concept.

Not sure how much stock to put into this. HTC only uses Qualcomm made SoCs. I'm personally waiting for a Qualcomm Krait equipped HTC phone.

Ok I just have to step in here and say something. First the idea of a quad core device is great, but it is only good if they take advantage of the eleged 1.5GHz in each core. I mean look at what they did to the Sensation. They o.ly used 1.2GHz of the 1.5 that it has and did not make full use of the dual core. Now before anyone says it I know that thanks to the devs here on XDA we have that now. But out of the box stock no we didn't.
I have already seen people posting here saying that the specs on this rumored device is not impressive or that HTC should up the camera more. Come on people how much better do you really need your device to be. Our devices are pretty Dang good right now. If you want a better camera go buy a better camera. Your phone was not and will never be intended to be a primary camera for someone. It is just a added feature of phones, a selling point if you will. Also if you want a device that has better specs than this rumored device yo probably need to get you a laptop or wait for a Windows 8 tablet to hit the market. This sort of mind set nothing is good enough is what the OEMs want. It does nothing but help them sell products and give them reason to constantly produce new models of devices.
This is not good on the enviroment for one, in case you have not noticed we only have one Earth. And the resources are being depleted rapidly with every new device that is made and developed. Two it is not good on the consumer in my opinion, but I will not go in depth with that as I have already ranted too long.

This is actually interesting to see HTC not using a qualcomm SoC and instead using Tegra.
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moshe22 said:
This is actually interesting to see HTC not using a qualcomm SoC and instead using Tegra.
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Well if it is a quad core device they will have to as Tegra is the only ones that have a actual quad core processor chip that works off of ARM technology right now.

T-Macgnolia said:
Well if it is a quad core device they will have to as Tegra is the only ones that have a actual quad core processor chip that works off of ARM technology right now.
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Hi,
They can just about keep a dual core cool enough to run at the moment.
How will you be able to run a quad core for any length of time,without some sort of cooling system?
And what are they going to use to power it?

And that beast will suck the life out of any battery in existence. We'll need ChiChiAnker's 4000 mAh for that sucker.

malybru said:
Hi,
They can just about keep a dual core cool enough to run at the moment.
How will you be able to run a quad core for any length of time,without some sort of cooling system?
And what are they going to use to power it?
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I can not really answer those questions. But I do know the Device in question will be considerably larger than the majority of current devices available at the moment. So it may be possible to use a larger battery in the device. Now your remark about keeping the device cool is a very resonable concern. I will be curious to see what HTC does to keep a quad core processor cool. I have a laptop with a AMD Phenom ll x4 N970 quad core process. And it puts out a good bit of heat so I know how much heat a quad core processor can generate.

T-Macgnolia said:
I can not really answer those questions. But I do know the Device in question will be considerably larger than the majority of current devices available at the moment. So it may be possible to use a larger battery in the device. Now your remark about keeping the device cool is a very resonable concern. I will be curious to see what HTC does to keep a quad core processor cool. I have a laptop with a AMD Phenom ll x4 N970 quad core process. And it puts out a good bit of heat so I know how much heat a quad core processor can generate.
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If Tegra 3 isn't async would that mean all cores are constantly active and not sleeping? And this thing has more cores than my laptop so I expect it to be extremely fast...But we know HTC will find a way to cripple it with Sense 4.0 anyway, just hope Sense4 works on Sensation too, I want to keep this thing will mid 2012.

Benchmarks

OK, owners of Flex 2 please run some benches, at least Antutu , but it better to run some more from that topic

What does bench marks do or show?

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What does bench marks do or show?
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Go troll somewhere on reddit

Billy Madison said:
Go troll somewhere on reddit
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That's the best that you got? And reason I'm asking is because well i really don't know much about benchmark except that the device with the higher e-penis numbers is maybe the best device and since most folks say benchmarks barely means anything as long as real world usage and performance is great. But hey if you need some e-penis numbers i can show you mines when i get the device lol.

Benchmarks show how much SoC power you got. We're to the point where hardware isn't a problem for UI smoothness, but the software. Android still has scrolling frame drops, and the only way I fixed it was making the min CPU freq to at least 1.19ghz. You can optimize a phone as much as you want to the point where it's the smoothest in UI, but I know for a fact you wouldn't like it when things like emulators/rendering a video to a smaller resolution/heavy gaming/extracting and compressing performance is slower than other phones. The day and age where benchmarks (Quadrant/Linpack) don't matter are over, they do now. Now you should take Antutu with a grain of salt, but Geekbench/GFXBench will show what your device is truly capable of. It's like you're given two PCs with identical hardware (SSD/High end GPU etc) but the CPU in one is an Intel Pentium G3258 and the other is a 4690K. They'll both perform just fine in the OS, only way to find out is with reliable benchmarks.

i heard lg g flex 2 have snapdragon 810.. and i have a question
snapdragon 810 (gflex2,minotepro,) vs tegra K1 64bit(nexus 9), which more better(antutu benchmark score)?
snapdragon 810 usually have 50k+ antutu score
i have z1 compact with 41k antutu benchmark, the normal benchmark is 30k-35k
lg g flex 2 antutu score can be different, but usually is 50K+
sorry newbie :crying:

silentroom said:
i heard lg g flex 2 have snapdragon 810.. and i have a question
snapdragon 810 (gflex2,minotepro,) vs tegra K1 64bit(nexus 9), which more better(antutu benchmark score)?
snapdragon 810 usually have 50k+ antutu score
i have z1 compact with 41k antutu benchmark, the normal benchmark is 30k-35k
lg g flex 2 antutu score can be different, but usually is 50K+
sorry newbie :crying:
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I personally prefer the snapdragon 810 chip, but the tegra K1 is also a very nice chip, the core frequency just not as nice as the 810..
Just my personal opinion

yellowman82 said:
since most folks say benchmarks barely means anything as long as real world usage and performance is great
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Some ppl agree with your position. And it's fine. You may not care for benchmarks at all. But some other ppl do care, like this example. So, benchmarks can show problems in software implementation of kernel CPU government. Or problems with hardware implementation of proper CPU cooling, like example. And some ppl may want to not pay for such software or hardware crippled devices, it's there choice, they vote by there money and demand vendors to pay proper attention to engineering

High on Android has his up on YouTube.
The Korean model scored 41276 on 64bit then 37754 on 32bit out of the box.

This was my first. Second, third, and fourth were slightly lower, but nothing has been under 50k so far. Every test was run side by side against my Nexus 6 and the Flex 2 beat it every time. This baby really flies. Here's to hoping it gets some strong Dev support!

G Flex 2 is available now where?

lopri said:
G Flex 2 is available now where?
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Good afternoon, no... it will be available on the market starting from 2th March. It has only sent to major carriers.

wolfgart said:
mine
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I got higher than that on Moto Maxx with an 805

zombioptic said:
This was my first. Second, third, and fourth were slightly lower, but nothing has been under 50k so far. Every test was run side by side against my Nexus 6 and the Flex 2 beat it every time. This baby really flies. Here's to hoping it gets some strong Dev support!
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what is youre SOC revision ? ( use CPU-Z app )
like this :

MEGAX91 said:
what is youre SOC revision ? ( use CPU-Z app )
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Mine is...

jongilluley said:
Mine is...
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i thought , Snapdragon 810 lithography is 20 nm !!!!
since when snapdragon 810 use krait 450 architecture !!!

MEGAX91 said:
i thought , Snapdragon 810 lithography is 20 nm !!!!
since when snapdragon 810 use krait 450 architecture !!!
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That is what i thought as well. Supposed to be 20nm instead of 28nm like the 805.

Here is my first Antutu bench. 16GB Silver european model (H955)...
Not very bad, at the same level of HTC One M9...
http://dl-1.va.us.xda-developers.co....png?key=UDgIAwmmRRaOPjLGlvUUiQ&ts=1426441144

mw86 said:
That is what i thought as well. Supposed to be 20nm instead of 28nm like the 805.
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Its weird as it should be 20nm but never shows ut no matter what i do haha.
Tried a couple of other apps and they are the same. One app tells me that its revision 2 of the cpu so maybe some changes are being made for heat issues etc? But i cant find anything and im getting good benchmark scores each and everytime with no lagging or throttling yet.
And speeds are good on benchmarks and are running in 64bit mode on antutu so im happy hehe.