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Szsion (i am not allowed to post links, google it, the first match is the one) produces quite nice android only (no ce) car navis that fit the design of different cars (audi, VW, mercedes, BMW, Kia, opel and many more).
I bought the Audi A3 version which looks quite like my now obsolete audi rns-e navigation plus.
I assume that the radios are technically all the same with different CAM bus boxes on the back and different designs. Sporting MStar SoCs (subsidary of Mediatek) they have a CPU powerful enough for car radio tasks and have a quite nice display.
I am also happy with the radio reception, which is as good as my original audi device. also i bought a realtek based dVB-T stick which enables me to use SDR along with digital radio, tv and FM in even better quality.
Navigation is VERY accurate, I even play ingress on it
The only issues I have at the moment is CAN bus support, which is because I got a pre-sale sample with some firmware problems regarding can bus support and I can't turn display brightness to full at the momenr, but that could be fixed with a new software.
So , do you guys know something about those devices ? Anybody else owns one? I just saw that DX.COM is also selling them, so chances are that I am not the only one with this nice device..
Greetings
maitrot said:
Szsion (i am not allowed to post links, google it, the first match is the one) produces quite nice android only (no ce) car navis that fit the design of different cars (audi, VW, mercedes, BMW, Kia, opel and many more).
I bought the Audi A3 version which looks quite like my now obsolete audi rns-e navigation plus.
I assume that the radios are technically all the same with different CAM bus boxes on the back and different designs. Sporting MStar SoCs (subsidary of Mediatek) they have a CPU powerful enough for car radio tasks and have a quite nice display.
I am also happy with the radio reception, which is as good as my original audi device. also i bought a realtek based dVB-T stick which enables me to use SDR along with digital radio, tv and FM in even better quality.
Navigation is VERY accurate, I even play ingress on it
The only issues I have at the moment is CAN bus support, which is because I got a pre-sale sample with some firmware problems regarding can bus support and I can't turn display brightness to full at the momenr, but that could be fixed with a new software.
So , do you guys know something about those devices ? Anybody else owns one? I just saw that DX.COM is also selling them, so chances are that I am not the only one with this nice device..
Greetings
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As a trading company selling car multimedia since 2007, we purchased some samples on may 15 ( all with either 8 Gb or 16 Gb storage memory). We are still expecting to see the first units....nothing has been shipped till now....
Also : SION shares it's office address with ZHINAVI, selling same units with another interface....please check what you'll find in XDA forums about this company...I don't want to comment publicly, only in private messages if you want.... For me they are sisters companies, even if SION denies it....I am rather anxious about this....
getehem said:
As a trading company selling car multimedia since 2007, we purchased some samples on may 15 ( all with either 8 Gb or 16 Gb storage memory). We are still expecting to see the first units....nothing has been shipped till now....
Also : SION shares it's office address with ZHINAVI, selling same units with another interface....please check what you'll find in XDA forums about this company...I don't want to comment publicly, only in private messages if you want.... For me they are sisters companies, even if SION denies it....I am rather anxious about this....
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Don't worry about not getting the devices. They exist
It seems that they are having some trouble with CAN conectivity which they claim is a software issue. I insisted on getting my device anyway and putting on software updates later on. Linkey is very nice if you ask her ...
They could also send me just 4gig model since 8 and 16 are not available yet.
They could, however communicate the problems a little more and not letting us wait 2 months without delivery, a mail saying that it will take some time would be nice...
The launcher they use is very nice, like on the pictures. The cpu is powerful enough for car tasks, gps is awesome. I have the best snr i ever had on any of my android devices.
Dvd playback works, radio is good. As I already said.
Anbody knows a rooting technique that MAY work with the mstar cpu?
I have been following these units as well. I have asked for a video of the interface so that I could see performance. Instead of doing a walk-thru like most companies, I got this, that I uploaded to YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHl2ZaDq3iw
I have also asked about unlocking the bootloader. It seems that the manufacture is interested in modifying his code to Android 5.x I told him if he opened up 100% of the source code to XDA, not only would he have a stable build of 5.x, but he would also have the best selling unit on XDA. I havent heard any more back.
I bought and received one of these for my 2006 Audi A4. It's working alright, sill trying to integrate steering wheel controls and the rear speakers aren't working, these two items aren't huge for me so I'm happy with the purchase so far. Also, I ordered and received the item within a week, crazy fast
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I bought and received one of these for my 2006 Audi A4. It's working alright, sill trying to integrate steering wheel controls and the rear speakers aren't working, these two items aren't huge for me so I'm happy with the purchase so far. Also, I ordered and received the item within a week, crazy fast
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Hi Riley!
Do any of your CANBUS features work or is it just the SWC that dors not work?
Also, how happy are you with the display brightness? Mine's way too dim for daylight use. At night, the display is very nice and sharp with beautiful living color, but with sunlight it really sucks so bad you almost can't see anything.
What's your software version?
I forgot to mention how AWESOME it would be to have source code access for this device.
KICK-ASS!
Anybody got an idea how I could try to enhance the display brightness?
riley815 said:
I bought and received one of these for my 2006 Audi A4. It's working alright, sill trying to integrate steering wheel controls and the rear speakers aren't working, these two items aren't huge for me so I'm happy with the purchase so far. Also, I ordered and received the item within a week, crazy fast
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I have similar unit for Audi A4 2002 model, rear speakers were not working but got around that by connecting the rear aux outputs left and right to the cables for aux inputs left and right!
I also have trouble with the Canbus support and the LED lights on the unit do not go off when the unit is powered down. Thats not good news for my battery. However the unit is very quick and GPS works smoothly....
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maitrot said:
Don't worry about not getting the devices. They exist
It seems that they are having some trouble with CAN conectivity which they claim is a software issue. I insisted on getting my device anyway and putting on software updates later on. Linkey is very nice if you ask her ...
They could also send me just 4gig model since 8 and 16 are not available yet.
They could, however communicate the problems a little more and not letting us wait 2 months without delivery, a mail saying that it will take some time would be nice...
The launcher they use is very nice, like on the pictures. The cpu is powerful enough for car tasks, gps is awesome. I have the best snr i ever had on any of my android devices.
Dvd playback works, radio is good. As I already said.
Anbody knows a rooting technique that MAY work with the mstar cpu?
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Baidu Root works just fine.
The display is not great in the sunlight. I also think the colors are a bit washed out. The radio tries to turn on the back up camera when I go in reverse and the led lights turn off when I turn off the headlights, so I assume the canbus is working. I think the swc is a wire harness issue, I'm going to check it out when I feel brave enough.
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Those with Audis, how does the plastic of the radio match the dash?? The HuiFei unit was a glossy and didn't really match the matte factory finish
It looks great against the dash, like it belongs.
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Side Note... Those with the Audi that are having speaker issues. 99% of the time this is because the right harness combo is not hooked up. I worked in car stereo for years and tell you the Audi harnesses can be tricky. Sometimes you need to have speaker wires only, sometimes you need to use the RCA jack harness, and sometimes you need to use both.
DO NOT PM asking me to help with your car. This is nothing something that can be troubleshot over the internet. Has to be done in person. Your best best is too pull your radio out and the harness, You should have a separate harness that plugs into the back of the radio giving you RCA output. You will need to take these outputs and try plugging into the harness that goes into the car. A combo of these, should cause all speakers to work.
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One more question for the Audi guys. The 4 buttons around the volume knob. Can you program these to do certain functions? i.e. One to be home, one to be radio, one to GPS, last one to be Google Music for example.
The default is home, gps, secondary menu and radio. I haven't figured out how to change them yet though
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Ok, it might be a hack to change them then. Im waiting to order mine as the harness shown to come with the radio is not the harness I need for my Audi. Also been told that the new versions work fine with the SWC. Once I see a picture of what harnesses come with the new versions, I will make my final decision.
Anyone want to install CPU-Z to see what the actual hardware specs are??
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cpuid.cpu_z&hl=en
I'll give it a whirl
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If you do while on Wi-Fi, online validation will upload the specs and you can share the URL
valid.canardpc.com/a/ac5tun
Interesting it couldnt read the Frequency of the CPU... :-/
You can change the button layout by going to the calculator and type in !(123)= or !(786)=(look what works for you) and then chose the 4th option.
Can anybody share me the gps program they got with there device, mine was navione and its in chinese i dont understand anything of it.
Thanks in advance
I always use Google Maps and just make sure I downloaded the maps for offline mode
All other HuiFei threads have become very cluttered and are predominantly technical / hardware discussion. This thread is dedicated to help people that are considering a purchase.
Post here your purchase experience, link to your supplier, price paid, whether you had to pay any import fees / duties, shipping time, the quality of the radio unit, fit and finish, whether you encountered any technical problems / quality issues, any customer service related comments and everything else you can think of to make the buying experience easier.
Lets NOT post anything related to troubleshooting - for this refer to the regular HuiFei thread.
This thread should be dedicated only to purchase decision, shopping experience and overall satisfaction with the unit.
May I suggest people describe their experiences after using the unit for at least few weeks. Something like "I've received the unit two days ago and it looks nice; it has this and that..." is not very helpful.
I was also excited for the first few days, then starting discovering problems, and three months later the unit died. I feel it's still too early to write about my experience. I'm waiting for a replacement part and when (if) I receive it and test it, I'll write more.
Reliability seems to be one of the main problems with all these units (my opinion, based on feedback from others, not just my own experience).
Well, at last I purchased one myself so here is my promised review. I drive 2011 Rav4, v6, base model.
This is my particular model. So this is the so called Klyde.
Purchasing from Aliexpress is quick and easy, pretty much like on eBay. I contacted a few sellers first, communication in English is always possible but, just like items descriptions on aliexpress - not always perfect.
I contacted my seller in advance and asked for two upgrades: higher resolution screen (extra $30) and a rear-view camera ($20). I am glad I did - the screen is excellent quality and the camera is great value - the picture is more than acceptable.
Upon ordering one may expect to wait at least a week until the unit is shipped. Supposedly this is for testing. Once shipped the unit arrived 3 days later. I did not have to pay any import taxes but I hear this may at times happen.
This HU is very well made, I'd say OEM quality. Installation was easy but only because of the wealth of information on this message board. The unit comes with no any instructions or manual. Installation process can be completed in less than 30 minutes - but only if you dont plan to install the camera.
I was so absorbed in the installation, sadly, I took no pictures. But one can easily find picture reference to each step that is required to install on rav4 forums.
Since I did install the camera I spent nearly the whole day in my very small garage. The camera comes attached to a replacement license plate light. You remove the old light but keep the light bulb on the wire, insert the bulb in the new holder/light and push it back in the slot above license plate. Be careful because the plastic is not the highest quality.
The wire from camera was too fat (well, the connection jack) to thread it tru the hole that already exist in the gate panel (inside) right behind and little above the license plate light. I expanded it with a drill and sprayed a few coats of clear coat. I routed wires tru the gate, tru the rubber hose coming from car to the gate (between gate hinges) and this was very, very hard because there are many cables and a windshield washer tube in this hose already.
For power I tapped into wires from the electric socket/cigarette lighter in the rear of the car.
Camera signal wire was just long enough to route it inside behind the rear plastic panel, later in the wire channel along both doors, up behind the glove box and to the unit.
I found on this forum how to locate the red wire with a reverse signal to the radio. this allows the unit to show camera picture once shifted in reverse, automatically. The unit takes about 30 seconds to boot but camera image show imediately, once shifted into D the booting process continues. 30 seconds boot is only from the cold state. Later power cycling is immediate.
All wires were simply plug and play. There is a substantial GPS antena with a large magnet. I stuck it to some kind of a metal pipe that runs across the front of the car right behind the glove box.
There are two USB extension cords included and I run them so they exit in the glove box as well. These can be used for flash drives but also for a 3g usb modem.
There is an external microphone included but I have not been able to find where to plug it in. The front AUX port does not seem to detect the microphone.
Radio reception is good, I think comparable with the original radio. There seem to be a bug in AM mode where stations' frequencies are shifted a few units - so your favorite 500 mhz station now becomes 503 or so.
The included Sygic navigation software is pirated and old. I downloaded current version from google play and I found it much better. The hardware button for navigation was not correctly assigned but this was an easy fix in settings.
The screen is more responsive than any OEM Infotainment system I used in rental cars. It is bright and crisp. However, with polarized sunglasses it is hard to see much on the screen, I think I will have to buy another sunglasses now.
There is a rather bad application for music playback. I replaced it with the free Shuttle music player from play store. I tested a few players but this seems like the best and simplest to use plus it is free.
This unit connects to home wifi or you can of course also tether to your phone. Purchasing USB modes is another option.
Bluetooth calls are at most acceptable because of the poor quality of the build-in microphone. As mentioned there is a substantial external microphone but I have found to way to connect it yet.
So far I am very happy with the purchase. I hope it will work for at least a few years.
leckig said:
Well, at last I purchased one myself so here is my promised review. I drive 2011 Rav4, v6, base model.
This is my particular model. So this is the so called Klyde.
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this is a great thread and we need more people join in the conversation..
I am considering buying a unit from alibaba model DG-8025
Processor Advance MStar MST786 Cortex-A9 dual core
Max.main frequency "1GHz (Neon), L1 (I/D) cache 32KB/32KB, L2
cache 512KB; 40nm LP low consumption technology"
RAM DDR3 1GB SAMSUNG
ROM 16GB
Operation system Android O/S 4.2
GPU Mali400M
Main MCU STM32F100
Power IC AS1015
It is very hard to decide which company to go with.. considering the shipping alone is $60-$80
and if you ever have to send it for warranty good luck getting it back after spending 100$ on shipping to china
so pay with credit card and install it as soon as you get it and try it as much as possible.. if there is anything wrong you should hope it shows itself fast or you are out of luck.
I am worried for the heat of summer in a grrenhouse of the car temp going north of 100F, as is these units are not well ventilated, it is a cramped up place with many CPU, GPU and other electronics producing heat that is a recipe for disaster.. so I think it is important to find a unit with a good ventilation and low heat production perhaps
the 2 main ones I see right now
RockChip RK3066 (KGL/KLD/JY/MD/GS/RM) 1.6GHz Cortex A9 Dual-core
Mstar MST786 (cedric/Mstar) 1.0 to 1.2 Ghz Cortex-A9 Dual Core
some quad core units are showing up to the party too with higher prices
the MST786 unit I found was around 360$ shipped
the RK3066 are around 420$
Quad cores around 550$
all OEM fit .
Can anyone else chime in on the reliability issue?
as for the mic, the internal microphones look to be garbage so get an external one if you care
for me Bluetooth is very important
I can only say that my unit is still working fine - but there are many little issues that are annoying. For example: bluetooth auto connect does not seem to ever work, I have to each time manually connect the phone. wifi sometimes restarts when I switch the car on, sometimes does not and I have to switch in on manually.
radio reception is not as good as OEM.
Backup camera, and this is weird, seem to have some kind of a connection problem when it is raining. I think water gets onto it somehow.
But all together this is a decent unit. I really like the navigation that is now build in. I use sygic, no, it is not as good as tomtom with routing, but it is fine.
The microphone is actually not that bad, people generally hear me fine. In my Klyde unit there is an additional external microphone but connecting it makes very little difference.
Hi guys
So in 2017, I bought an Andrid HU with an Intel Sofia SoC ( Joying JY-VM130N2D) for my Volkswagen.
It still works but there is some annoying bug and now i'm quiet bored of that. So I want to know what's the news on the Android HU scene.
-As I remember, the Intel SoC can boot approx. 5 sec after turn on the car and the RKXXX is always 30 sec ? How it is now ?
-Now I can see PX6, MTCE etc... what's the updates between the old one ?
-What's pro and con's between Intel and Rockchip ? It seems, there is more people who develop on RK than Intel
-Which company I should use to look for a new HU? Joying seems to stay with Intel Soc and i Don't know the brand like Xtrons, EUNAVI...
Cheers guys and happy new year !!
Perhaps tabulate from questions, not sure owners of one head unit will know how the shyte JY units compare to the MTC units.
Perhaps read the wiki and compare against the rubbish Unit you have.
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Perhaps tabulate from questions, not sure owners of one head unit will know how the shyte JY units compare to the MTC units.
Perhaps read the wiki and compare against the rubbish Unit you have.
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Thanks I was looking for a wiki I looked in the wrong section ^^
As I understand it the current market is still Intel vs rockchip.
With RK you're still at px5/px6 which as you say, have really good community support.
Px5 and px6 headunits have come a long way. Boot time is 30 seconds from cold boot and less than one second from standby, which is the default state that the unit goes into when you turn off your car. Power drain in this standby mode is negligible and I've left my car without starting it for 3 weeks in this mode.. car started right up as did the head unit.
Biggest issue with the px6 headunits right now for me is the internet.. basically the WiFi on these units is still crap regardless of the brand you try, no matter what anyone tries to tell you or clever hardware hacks you try.
And if you want a dedicated mobile line you're forced to rely on a 4g dongle or your phones hotspot as the tablets dont support native sim cards.
The 4G dongle solution is also passable at best, after a lot of fiddling and some software level hacks. (See my post about 4g dongles on these units for example)
On the Intel side, there are new airmont based HU (sc9853i) with dsp and native 4G sim card support.
These are pretty good and are quoted to be 30% faster than their px6 counterparts.
In my opinion the biggest issue with these is not the lack of community support but how they fit in cars. Basically where the tablet attaches to the headunit is just a push tab that's not adjustable. Comparing to the px6 counterparts which are usually rotatable or at least adjustable up and down
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...ying-android-8-1-intel-airmont-eight-t3897206
Also worth noting in the px6 world is the new Tesla style headunits. They're a little more expensive but 12.9 inches and seem to have excellent community support with a dedicated, active Facebook page. They seem to still have the PX6 issues with 4G internet though their WiFi antenna doesn't suffer from the same Bluetooth interference that the other units get.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android-auto/android-head-units/tesla-style-headunits-t3512709/amp/
https://m.facebook.com/groups/tesla.style.FW.HU/
For my money, the perfect headunit that I'm holding out for is 12.9 inches with rotatable mount like the Tesla units but using airmont hardware with the native 4G support.
Of course, all of the above is my opinion only gained through my own personal experience with each of these units. Its entirely possible that someone else's experience my contradict mine. Also, the market is vast and I think I did a good job combing it but it's very possible that I missed some other type of headunit. If so I'd love to know so I can see if it fits my needs.
Hope this helps!
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As I understand it the current market is still Intel vs rockchip.
With RK you're still at px5/px6 which as you say, have really good community support.
Px5 and px6 headunits have come a long way. Boot time is 30 seconds from cold boot and less than one second from standby, which is the default state that the unit goes into when you turn off your car. Power drain in this standby mode is negligible and I've left my car without starting it for 3 weeks in this mode.. car started right up as did the head unit.
Biggest issue with the px6 headunits right now for me is the internet.. basically the WiFi on these units is still crap regardless of the brand you try, no matter what anyone tries to tell you or clever hardware hacks you try.
And if you want a dedicated mobile line you're forced to rely on a 4g dongle or your phones hotspot as the tablets dont support native sim cards.
The 4G dongle solution is also passable at best, after a lot of fiddling and some software level hacks. (See my post about 4g dongles on these units for example)
On the Intel side, there are new airmont based HU (sc9853i) with dsp and native 4G sim card support.
These are pretty good and are quoted to be 30% faster than their px6 counterparts.
In my opinion the biggest issue with these is not the lack of community support but how they fit in cars. Basically where the tablet attaches to the headunit is just a push tab that's not adjustable. Comparing to the px6 counterparts which are usually rotatable or at least adjustable up and down
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...ying-android-8-1-intel-airmont-eight-t3897206
Also worth noting in the px6 world is the new Tesla style headunits. They're a little more expensive but 12.9 inches and seem to have excellent community support with a dedicated, active Facebook page. They seem to still have the PX6 issues with 4G internet though their WiFi antenna doesn't suffer from the same Bluetooth interference that the other units get.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android-auto/android-head-units/tesla-style-headunits-t3512709/amp/
https://m.facebook.com/groups/tesla.style.FW.HU/
For my money, the perfect headunit that I'm holding out for is 12.9 inches with rotatable mount like the Tesla units but using airmont hardware with the native 4G support.
Of course, all of the above is my opinion only gained through my own personal experience with each of these units. Its entirely possible that someone else's experience my contradict mine. Also, the market is vast and I think I did a good job combing it but it's very possible that I missed some other type of headunit. If so I'd love to know so I can see if it fits my needs.
Hope this helps!
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Thanks for the info.
I was looking for Tesla style HU but I think it won't fit in my car and it's quite expensive.
What i'm looking for now it's the dasaita MAX6, which seems to be the best product. I see a lot of other product which correspond for me but i'm quite sceptic about the quality of these and dasaita seems to be a better choice.
After owning multiple rockchip devices (last a PX5 headunit), I'm now in theprocess of buying a new radio.
Initially I wanted to go for a MTCD radio with a PX6 cpu and 4GB of ram, but now also found the FYT devices with UIS7862, 6GB RAM and 128GB ROM.
(Mekede M600s)
And as "more RAM" is always very helpful with Android devices in the long term, I'm interested.
I saw that the community and ROM developement is not as big as for the MTCD devices, but I do not need to have that, if the devices itself are stable/good.
So I wanted to ask you guys, if you are satisfied with your decision and if you would buy it again?
Anything I need to know, coming from a MTCD device?
My main usage would be: Google Maps, Spotify, Bluetooth Connection to my phone for calls, Youtube, so nothing to fancy.
Yes. I've written about this a bunch. Look for my posts
You really don't need a modified "hal/mal" ROM with FYT.
Buggy MTCD is dead, long live MTCD
Very happy with my Navifly 7862 4gb. GPS is terrific and can't recall an unexpected reboot. Radio app is a bit naff but bang for buck, I would do it again in a heartbeat.
Bluetooth to phone is seamless and hotspot from phone via macro works like a charm.
If you are the sort of person who looks to find fault, you probably won't be happy. If you just want a system that works for the most part and you know the interface limitations, you will be fine.
Icefeldt said:
After owning multiple rockchip devices (last a PX5 headunit), I'm now in theprocess of buying a new radio.
Initially I wanted to go for a MTCD radio with a PX6 cpu and 4GB of ram, but now also found the FYT devices with UIS7862, 6GB RAM and 128GB ROM.
(Mekede M600s)
And as "more RAM" is always very helpful with Android devices in the long term, I'm interested.
I saw that the community and ROM developement is not as big as for the MTCD devices, but I do not need to have that, if the devices itself are stable/good.
So I wanted to ask you guys, if you are satisfied with your decision and if you would buy it again?
Anything I need to know, coming from a MTCD device?
My main usage would be: Google Maps, Spotify, Bluetooth Connection to my phone for calls, Youtube, so nothing to fancy.
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I've been kind of keeping my eye on this too, but so far (to me anyway) it looks like
"same sh*t, different pile".
Meanwhile I was pleasantly surprised in my shift from px5 to px6. Px6 seems to be a fairly large upgrade as compared to px5.... runs smoother with a lot fewer bugs. Bluetooth is still a problem when trying to connect devices other than phone though
For me, I have a lot of gadgets connected to my system (tv, front cam, rear cam, dash cam, siriusXM tuner, OBD bluetooth adapter, OBD USB adapter...etc), and I find FYT is more restrictive and locked up when it comes to connecting all these peripherals. That was the make/break for me and is what made me decide to stick with mtcd
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I've been kind of keeping my eye on this too, but so far (to me anyway) it looks like
"same sh*t, different pile".
Meanwhile I was pleasantly surprised in my shift from px5 to px6. Px6 seems to be a fairly large upgrade as compared to px5.... runs smoother with a lot fewer bugs. Bluetooth is still a problem when trying to connect devices other than phone though
For me, I have a lot of gadgets connected to my system (tv, front cam, rear cam, dash cam, siriusXM tuner, OBD bluetooth adapter, OBD USB adapter...etc), and I find FYT is more restrictive and locked up when it comes to connecting all these peripherals. That was the make/break for me and is what made me decide to stick with mtcd
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I respectfully disagree. Ex. MTCD hardware developer here.
Context is everything.
What FYT processor/MCU did you compare.
I have the opposite experience and find my 7862UIS/MCU 53 = YIN far superior and without any of the issues you mention.
On my FYT platform, it is FAR less restrictive. The bonus is the processor is superior and has 4g built in!
Then there is the audio quality, my FYT is simply amazing.
Back to MTCx, isn't it the reason so many mods / modded ROMs exist - again with their horrible problems and daily reports of issues - for the MTCx platform, to fix bugs and get around restrictions. But don't take my work for it, read the MTCD forums and compare.
marchnz said:
I respectfully disagree. Ex. MTCD hardware developer here.
Context is everything.
What FYT processor/MCU did you compare.
I have the opposite experience and find my 7862UIS/MCU 53 = YIN far superior and without any of the issues you mention.
On my FYT platform, it is FAR less restrictive. The bonus is the processor is superior and has 4g built in!
Then there is the audio quality, my FYT is simply amazing.
Back to MTCx, isn't it the reason so many mods / modded ROMs exist - again with their horrible problems and daily reports of issues - for the MTCx platform, to fix bugs and get around restrictions. But don't take my work for it, read the MTCD forums and compare.
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Yeah, Thanks.
I read your other thread on your switch-over from mtcd with great interest. The problem I'm having is that you jumped ship at the PX5 level. I on the other hand went on to px6 from the px5, and there is no comparison between the two (both were Dasaita). The px6 is light-years ahead of the px5 both in terms of speed and stability. I used to have to do full reboots on the PX5 pretty much weekly to clear up the bugs. With the PX6 I have had to reboot maybe twice in the last 6 months.
I think to sum it up best, comparing the px5 to the px6 is about the same as comparing a 1960's black and white tv to a 60 inch lcd tv of today.
And with Dasaita in particular, the choice of input/output ability simply can not be beat. I have not seen another head unit which supplies the number of input/output jacks and plugs that Dasiata does.
Dedicated inputs for tpms, dash cam, front cam, and TV so I don't have to use up my USB slots. It also has dual subwoofer outputs so I don't have to weaken the signal with a Y splitter for my dual amps.
Now that being said, the new FYT machines do seem to have a slightly brighter screen which is always welcomed, and some also have digital audio outputs but that's not really something I would ever use.
Bob_Sanders said:
Yeah, Thanks.
I read your other thread on your switch-over from mtcd with great interest. The problem I'm having is that you jumped ship at the PX5 level. I on the other hand went on to px6 from the px5, and there is no comparison between the two (both were Dasaita). The px6 is light-years ahead of the px5 both in terms of speed and stability. I used to have to do full reboots on the PX5 pretty much weekly to clear up the bugs. With the PX6 I have had to reboot maybe twice in the last 6 months.
I think to sum it up best, comparing the px5 to the px6 is about the same as comparing a 1960's black and white tv to a 60 inch lcd tv of today.
And with Dasaita in particular, the choice of input/output ability simply can not be beat. I have not seen another head unit which supplies the number of input/output jacks and plugs that Dasiata does.
Dedicated inputs for tpms, dash cam, front cam, and TV so I don't have to use up my USB slots. It also has dual subwoofer outputs so I don't have to weaken the signal with a Y splitter for my dual amps.
Now that being said, the new FYT machines do seem to have a slightly brighter screen which is always welcomed, and some also have digital audio outputs but that's not really something I would ever use.
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Youll find exactly the same input wise and more on the FYT platform.
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Youll find exactly the same input wise and more on the FYT platform.
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Not on Joying or navifly. I looked. Maybe I'm missing these inputs?
Here's Dasaita..... a second DEDICATED plug set for
DVR (C)
TV (E)
TPMS (H)
Dual sub outputs (A)
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Not on Joying or navifly. I looked. Maybe I'm missing these inputs?
Here's Dasaita..... a second DEDICATED plug set for
DVR (C)
TV (E)
TPMS (H)
Dual sub outputs (A)
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Look a little more on the latest FYT platform models.
All of these inputs are present or catered for with USB or AUX inputs, TPMS is USB for instance.
Also, FYT feature an optical out, which MTCx does not have.
You still haven't said what FYT you owned, context/specifics is really important.
The point is, the newer FYT units blow the MTCx units away in nearly every aspect, especially sound, while providing for the same features and more than the MTCx platform.
marchnz said:
Look a little more on the latest FYT platform models.
All of these inputs are present or catered for with USB or AUX inputs, TPMS is USB for instance.
Also, FYT feature an optical out, which MTCx does not have.
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Well... that's exactly what I am saying. Because of the dedicated inputs I don't have to use up my USB inputs, or my AUX inputs. I can use those for other things (which I do). Also, the supplied software is completely built around those inputs. The software knows exactly where to go. The TV module for example is automatically turned on/off, and tuned up when I bring up the TV app. It all operates in one smooth motion. The FYT units are just plain lacking in this respect.
As for the digital outputs... if you are going to go digital you need high quality dacs... and I wouldn't exactly call the electronics inside these machines... "high quality"
You still haven't said what FYT you owned, context/specifics is really important.
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I haven't owned one.... but that's my point with your argument... you haven't owned a PX6. You are comparing PX5 technology to the FYT. A cardboard box probably has higher quality and better sound than the PX5.
I have looked at FYT and the lack of input/output ability is the dealbreaker for me. To me these things aren't just Head units. They are central control centers... or at least that's what I bank on them for. If I was looking for a typical head unit I would go with Pioneer or Kenwood.
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Well... that's exactly what I am saying. Because of the dedicated inputs I don't have to use up my USB inputs, or my AUX inputs. I can use those for other things (which I do). Also, the supplied software is completely built around those inputs. The software knows exactly where to go. The TV module for example is automatically turned on/off, and tuned up when I bring up the TV app. It all operates in one smooth motion. The FYT units are just plain lacking in this respect.
As for the digital outputs... if you are going to go digital you need high quality dacs... and I wouldn't exactly call the electronics inside these machines... "high quality"
I haven't owned one.... but that's my point with your argument... you haven't owned a PX6. You are comparing PX5 technology to the FYT. A cardboard box probably has higher quality and better sound than the PX5.
I have looked at FYT and the lack of input/output ability is the dealbreaker for me. To me these things aren't just Head units. They are central control centers... or at least that's what I bank on them for. If I was looking for a typical head unit I would go with Pioneer or Kenwood.
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I think I was highly skeptical like you initially, the chinese origin headunits appear to be largely copies and reuse, with little improvements between generations. I was surprised at just how good, at least my unit is.
Disappointing you couldn't find an FYT unit that meets your needs, they really are great.
At least the FYT unit I have, which is an YIN 53 / Mekede has inputs you mention. It's also listed on the schematic diagram obtained from 4pda.
Regarding the optical output, consider optical provides a multichannel noise immune method to connect a power amp via a single "cable."
Don't forget the MCUs on the MTCx platform are the same between processors, also bugs are widely reported in the MTCD forums, including PX6.
Maybe we agree to disagree.
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Disappointing you couldn't find an FYT unit that meets your needs, they really are great.
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Disappointing to this point anyway.... they'll probably come around though in time.
I have owned several Joying units over the last 5 years or so, with generally good experiences. Last July/Aug I installed an SC 9853i in my Kluger/Highlander.
Recently a couple of things have gone pear shaped.
1) The google play store needs "uninstall updates" to function (had this with the older devices as well)
2) Waze and google maps are "freezing" sometimes very quickly sometimes after an hour.
3) The built in 4G has disappeared and I now only get 3G/H+ (this is subsequent a firmware update, which installed older modem firmware)
I have been unable to resolve these issues with Joying unfortunately.
They (Joying) were very good in the past sending me a new unit when the screen got a white ring around it, but really have had no luck with them resolving these issues.
I would probably buy a new device off them, but not the same device, the only problem is their website doesn't really have detailed enough information to make an assessment/comparison of the underlying hardware in each of their different models.
Found yet another reason to buy an FYT 7862UIS unit - Bluetooth Low Energy support.
My unit seamlessly connects to my Valentine One gen 2 radar locator. Every time. No hiccups, or pairing required.
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I have been unable to resolve these issues with Joying unfortunately.
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Sorry for going slightly off thread topic...
Did you try a reset? and then a firmware reload/update?
I had your first problem until I wiped the system and flashed the latest firmware (which was the same)
The apps freezing might indicate a temperature issue. See if it runs warm/hot?
I never used the 3g 4g module since I hotspot.
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if you are satisfied with your decision and if you would buy it again?
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Yea. I'm on my 2nd joying for my 2010 Rav4. I highly recommend getting one with buttons/knobs. Its very annoying to change volume by screen touching (even if you have steering controls). It seems the devices go thru these rounds of improvement that go like
Version 1 : great new screen, no buttons, no knobs
Version 2 : same new screen, touch buttons
Version 3 : same new screen, knobs and actual buttons
My only gripe is lack of customization of radio app, and the icons on the launcher have stupid large borders (wish the app icon was simply displayed)
I think they are coming out with a whole new ui
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Sorry for going slightly off thread topic...
Did you try a reset? and then a firmware reload/update?
I had your first problem until I wiped the system and flashed the latest firmware (which was the same)
The apps freezing might indicate a temperature issue. See if it runs warm/hot?
I never used the 3g 4g module since I hotspot.
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Nah all good, have reset a number of times, and reloaded every version of firmware available to me. I only got the device in 2020 AUG, I feel like it may have had slightly different firmware on it (to what is available for download) based on the screenshots I sent to Joying when I was initially trying to troubleshoot. Yes even wiped completely twip_all.
I think its is running hot 70-90 degrees but this is a recent problem, it ran fine for 12 months.
We use (did use) 4G module for a hotspot in the car for all the passengers, it had worked seamlessly up until joying sent me their firmware
I wish I could identify what model they are selling for the 2018 Highlander, I would just buy a new one. I do like their product, and I'm currently 1 of three dodgy products with no resolution --- Chinese vendors
marchnz said:
Found yet another reason to buy an FYT 7862UIS unit - Bluetooth Low Energy support.
My unit seamlessly connects to my Valentine One gen 2 radar locator. Every time. No hiccups, or pairing required.
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What "brand" are you looking at
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What "brand" are you looking at
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ro.build.fytmanufacturer=116
MCU = NOR
Seller was Mekede. There is no "brand" on Android head units, only factory. You would be taking a gamble buying from any seller without asking for screenshots of the system info, they might ship a unit from any number of factories and therefore variants.
Question to the Joying owners in here ... Some people were complaining about the old Intel-based chip units from Joying having buggy firmware, I haven't really read this about the new UIS-based units. Did you notice noteworthy bootloops, bugs etc.?
Hi there,
Recently I bought a PX4 to replace my PX5 radio in my car, a Fiat Punto Evo. The PX5 did work as it should, but I was looking for something new and fresh. Since the PX4 is based on newer technology, and Android 11, I thought this was a step forward. This is an Isudar unit by the way.
However. I noticed the headunit isn't that great. I usually use 2-3 apps (Spotify, Google Maps/Waze and Flitsmeister, a navigational tool for speedtraps and so on) and the radio doesn't perform well when I have these apps opened. Google Maps crashes a lot of times, Flitsmeister freezes and when I want to go back to the homescreen, the screen flickers a few times back and forth. Also, it does reboot all of a sudden.
There is not a possibility to flash or update it since there is zero to little knowledge of the PX4. I'm thinking of the following options:
- Buy a PX6 board and swap it in
- Buy a PX6 headunit
- Maybe there is an alternative
What is a reliable brand in this sector? I see a lot of brands but I don't see the difference...
Cheers,
Jacco
There is no px4 and you don't say if it really is an MTCD type because you haven't posted enough information such as MCU type.
Brands mean little to nothing as the all sell from various factories and are no real "brands" for these Chinese units, only factories.
You want a 7862UIS FYT (4gb+) unit such as what mekede / navifly sell (type 116) These are much less buggy than mtcd type units and you don't need hacky modded firmware to make them work.
Well, there is, it's a RK3566 based one, MTCH_GS_V3.80_3.
https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005003076011564.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.3d87355fOPaJSb&algo_pvid=d3ae804c-2a61-4fd9-80ae-8d3578cec8c8&algo_exp_id=d3ae804c-2a61-4fd9-80ae-8d3578cec8c8-16
I will look into those, thanks for that one!
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Well, there is, it's a RK3566 based one, MTCH_GS_V3.80_3.
https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005003076011564.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.3d87355fOPaJSb&algo_pvid=d3ae804c-2a61-4fd9-80ae-8d3578cec8c8&algo_exp_id=d3ae804c-2a61-4fd9-80ae-8d3578cec8c8-16
I will look into those, thanks for that one!
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Just for clarity, there is no PX4. The unit linked clearly lists PX6.
I no longer recommend the MTCx platform.
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Just for clarity, there is no PX4. The unit linked clearly lists PX6.
I no longer recommend the MTCx platform.
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Well, actually the details list two options, a PX4 one and a PX6...
But @marchnz is correct in both accounts
1) PX4 is something this guys invented, and is not widely used/accepted (yet). Regarding the CPU they are using, seems to be a slightly improvement/update to the PX5... but very slight improvement (newer tech, more speed per CPU, but less CPUs overall)
2) Even if you go to PX6, those CPUs are old compared to 7862UIS... so buying today a PX6 would be a bad investment. If you really want to reuse the unit and only invest on a CPU board, the only option will be to wait for those manufacturers to adopt the latest chip RK3588 (which has a version RK3588S that looks a lot like a car-oriented chip, even with a CAN bus interface). Of course, you might wait for months and there is no assurance that your MTC-H mainboard will be compatible with it.
By the way, PX5 and PX30 were real Rockchip car-oriented official products. I have never seen any Rockchip original document referring to RK3399 as PX6. I only see this nomenclature on the Android-Auto chinese sites. So, don't kill us if in a few weeks every chinese vendor starts to call RK3566 as PX4
Indeed, I thought the PX4 would be a slight improvement because of the newer technology, but the opposite is true, it's horrendous.
No, a PX6 would be a bad choice. the 7862UIS option would be great but I see nothing which would fit in my car, and waiting for the RK3588 could last a while with the current chip troubles.
I'm not going to kill anybody, no troubles
Fryslanboy said:
Indeed, I thought the PX4 would be a slight improvement because of the newer technology, but the opposite is true, it's horrendous.
No, a PX6 would be a bad choice. the 7862UIS option would be great but I see nothing which would fit in my car, and waiting for the RK3588 could last a while with the current chip troubles.
I'm not going to kill anybody, no troubles
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So, if not reusing the MCU is not a problem for you...what about looking for a 7862UIS with a screen that has the same physical size as your current unit?
All the plastic fascias/stereo-fronts are made (most probably) by the same factory, and then distributed to different radio-manufacturers. Its a very low margin manufacturing business that only works if you do runs with thousands of units produced... is not a business large enough to have multiple providers. So, most probably you will be able to take the fascia of your PX4 and adapt it to any unit (MTC or FYT) as far as the screens are the same size