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I thought it might be interesting to hear some peoples ideas on what they would like to see in future HTC gadgets. The sublime to the ridiculous. FM transmitter, phone to phone direct, tb storage, ruggedised- dustproof, waterproof, silicone coating. Whatever floats your boat, please do tell.
Electric razor
Hi, perhaps electric razor, now sound silly, but one day they will make it.
That would be one up on Steve Jobs.
It would also need a hoover to remove shavings.
More please
wm6 for artemis please HTC
Heart rate monitor
Hi, sometimes I need heart rate monitor functions, that will be nice
There are loads that you could ask for, but practically:
1) A standard 3.5mm or 2.5mm headphone socket
2) Consumer strength IR port (universal remote!!!)
3) A bit more robust (silicone coating/splash proof)
4) FM receiver
front page only lcd
Hi, front page of pda onyl lcd screen - more plesure for eyes, without anything else. All button will be at sides and behind
Motion sensors for something.
An enormous hd.
Wm6 for artemis.
Some ideas
go back to 3,5 inches like my qtek 2020i.. less nonscreen surface on the front.
Protectioncap on the front that u can flip over to the back.. (rubber around so u can flip the rubber sides inwards to the back, and thin leightweight plastic/metal over the screen). It will be better to hold as well.
No microsd... Normal SD. 2 slots
Stronger IR for remote
better graphic cards
Buttons on the sides only
wireless charging.
twotouch screen
Built in "Projection keyboard"
At least 128 mb ram... I dont know how u guys make it with only 64 mb...
Hire me as a product designer.
Transparent cover
Transparent cover, no more hide and seek with gps and other function.
uniqueboy said:
Motion sensors for something.
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Click to collapse
Love it! For what exactly - pedometer? Assessing speed in parachute jump?
energy body level state EBLS
Hi, you see on the west side of globe what is going on - fast food ruls, we need something like is it alredy in the F1 but for our body, then will be much eaiser or not?
Motion sensors, apart from the obvious wii type control mechanisms would be useful for precise measurements and could help take gps to the next level.
How about some proper AV connectors and some PVR software, like archos. Always thaught it would be cool to drop an sd card into my set top box and watch last nights TV in the morning on my phone.
uniqueboy said:
Always thaught it would be cool to drop an sd card into my set top box and watch last nights TV in the morning on my phone.
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That is possible now...
http://www.sandisk.com/Products/Catalog(1239)-SanDisk_VMate_Video_Memory_Card_Recorder.aspx
(haven't tried it though, don't have a V-Mate )
I do agree on the AV connections though.
There is a project ongoing where they are attempting to use motion sensors as an anti-theft device. Apparently, the way people walk is unique; the phone can pick this up, and then determine if the phone is still in possession of the owner. Some problems ATM though: walking on ice masks the owner. (saw this on NGC, but can't seem to find a link)
Hardwarewise, I think current systems already have a lot. But it mostly is the OS or software - or lack thereof - that imposes limitations on the functionality (bridging connections, ...).
Other than that: more memory, AV connections, GPS and a slicker design are always welcome.
Jörg
7.1 htx vertified surround sound
3d display (no goofy red and blue glass glasses required)
support for the whole new greentooth system (greentooth use laser to clean your teath and kill germs while you talk on your phone )
a) CAMERA 11 mega pixel or more with zoom lens and front camera not less than 3 megapixel.
b) 1.gb ram-----3.00ghz processor.
c) 80 gb hard disk.
d) Look should be similar to wizard or hermes (with built in keyboard) with hard rock body and larger display maybe 800*600
e) 2 sd card slot.
f) and last but not the least NOT MORE THAN 1000 USD
I think this will suffice me
im gonna push the boat out here,
a device that dont require ,resets ,wont freeze,and works
hey you can dream,im off to treo or blackberry or even n95 in ten days
ive lived with the windows slight issues for long enough,they have become too much,and no support other than the great peeps here
think about your device out the box without the help we have had,pitifull
Wish list for future PDA
I would like to have:
- Television
- FM and AM radio
- A lot more storage space. Don't care if it is SD, Mini, Micro, or CF.
- 801.11n WIFI
- Retained 5 in screen, but the whole PPC's real estate used for screen dispaly with all buttons moved to the sides. This means the area will become smaller than the exisintg HTC Athena's.
- Thinner and lighter PPC
- 3.5mm rather than 2.5mm connector for ear phone
- Looong battary life
- GPS that can still tell you where you in inside tunnel.
- Advance phone features
- 5 MP cameras, with 10 times optical zooms.
I would like to have:
OS instalable from CD-ROM like normal Linux/Win XP/Vista to internal memory that is working like SD card read/write no ROM (only bootloader in ROM) - flashing 100% safe.
Hello there,
in september 2012 I bought my first tablet, a LC-Power MIRA-1. Shortly after, on the 19th I posted a [Q] post here because I had a few questions. In the following weeks, some replies back and forth, more quirks came to light.
In short, I was semi-happy with the MIRA-1 (everything was fine save a few situations where the single-core tablet speed could not really keep up, for example, starting firefox and the keyboard, it always froze 2-3 secs "firefox is not responding. close/wait?")
Still, I do believe, I learned some valuable lessons about android and others with the MIRA-1 or thinking about getting one were helped too.
Fade in today.
I recently bought the new LC-Power SINA-1. It cost me 200EUR (Germany). In comparison, the MIRA-2 (which is like the MIRA-1 with an extra camera and a smaller rechargeable battery) still costs 160 EUR
I found the new SINA-1 to be a very interesting product, especially considering the price.
I came here to write my own review. I am in no way affiliated with LC-Power and I do not get a dime for writing this.
My motive for writing this and yes, maybe even advertise, is very simple. First of all, xda-developer has helped me before and I'd like to give back. More importantly however, I believe in tablets that do not cost an arm and an leg as well as the android (modding) community. I would very much love to see the LC-Power tablets get the attention they deserve...
Thank you for keeping with me so far. Let us begin!
Technical specs for the new SINA-1 tablet:
CPU: ARM Cortex A9 Dual Core 1,5GHz
GPU: Mali 400 QuadCore 250MHz
RAM: 1GB DDR3
Memory: System 1GB + 16GB NAND Flash (+ MicroSD up to 32GB)
Display: 10.1" IPS 5 Point Touchscreen, 1280x800
Networking: 802.11 b/g/n, Bluetooth 4.0
Cameras: 0.3MP front, 2MP back
Connectors: micro-HDMI out, micro-USB host, micro-USB connector, 3.5mm headphones jack
OS: Android 4.1
Want to know more? google it
As I mentioned before, the tablet costs 200 EUR (Onlineshop, Germany, Dec, 15th 2012)
Material and built quality:
The first impression is very good. The tablet feels solid, has a certain weight to it, but is not too heavy.
The front appears to be glas and if it is not, it must be a very hard plastic. The back is made out of aluminium. I have no doubt that both can be scratched, please forgive me for not doing the experimentation on that. However, in a few days of extensive (time) yet normal (application) use, I have yet to see any marks besides fingerprints.
Where the front and back meet I can not feel any sharp edge (MIRA-1 I could).
It is very thin (quite a bit thinner than the MIRA tablet and a bit higher as well)
Overall, I would give the material and quality very good marks. I dont doubt that it could be better in some regard, even if I can't name one right now.
Display (visual):
The 1280x800 resolution suits the tablet well. It is definately a neccesary step up from 1024x768 (MIRA). Even if I did not exactly see pixalation with the old ones, the picture is indeed better with the higher resolution. Webpages like reddit look sharp, the text in 100% zoom is not too small. Pictures look vivid and good. Videos are even better (given the source material is of sufficient resolution itself).
The viewing angles are what you would expect from an IPS panel. Frontal (no angle) is best, the more you move to the side and increase the angle, the more you lose contrast and brightness. I have seen worse and have yet to observe the "picture went negative", but viewing some content with 2-3 people should not be a problem when you dont mind sticking your heads together
The brightness (350cd/m²) is good, in fact, in a dark room you may want to lower it a bit. Even on the lowest setting it is not too dark.
The contrast is equally good, or should I say "normal". It did not attract attention, neither positive nor negative...
First tests with a bright (300W) lightsource led me to believe that the glossy display does not become a shaving mirror when you have a bright light behind you, but it is definately harder to see the picture. Especially noticeable with movies.
Due to it being winter without sun, I can not test the tablet with summer-sun-brightness outside. I fear the results will not be too good. You may want to keep that in mind if you live in africa and will be using the tablet in the sun - might be trouble. (Then again, I don't know any tablet that has a matte display)
The illumination (is that the right word?) - the background light source illuminating the display with the same brightness consistenly - is adequate. There are a few bright spots (tested with a black fullscreen per 1.0 eyeball), especially on the lower left corner/border).
It is not noticeable when looking at brightly coloured images, but it will be a nuisance when watching a movie which is very dark.
I felt that here, my old MIRA-1 did do better. There, I never noticed bright spots like this before.
Display (touch):
The 5-point-capacitive display does very well in accepting touches, even light ones. 2-point touch (zoom) works equally great and the short test with fruit ninja confirmes that 5 points can be tracked. I did not experience any noticeable lag with 1,2 or 5 points in normal operation.
If you take a paint app and draw with your finger, a slight lag can be observed, however, as I understand current technology, this is common and just the way it is.
In conclusion, the display visually is adequate. Are there better displays out there? Yes, definately. Do you get them for 200 EUR? Definately not! Do you need a better display? Well, I can not answer that for you. In my opinion, the illumination is the only real and still overlookable drawback, everything else is fine. 8/10
The touchscreen part of the display is as it should be. I can not really imagine some way to improve it. 10/10
Together 9/10
Actual Performance:
The performance is quite good and right were it should be. There are faster tablets and phones out there and if we were talking about speed in my workstation or gaming rig, I would be right there with the "FASTER!!!!"-crowd. But since I don't plan on playing skyrim or bf3, rendering 3d images or encoding hd-videos on the tablet, I dont need huge speed reserves, I want a tablet that performs well with the usual tasks like webpage browsing, playing media files and so on.
As mentioned before, this is one of the main problems I had with the old MIRA tablet. 2-3sec freezes, applications (mainly the browser) that did not react and had to be waited for. With the SINA-1 they are gone. The OS works like a charm, switching applications goes instantly, browsing webpages is fun and the waiting in the browser now is for the reason it should be - networking speed! (browsing with firefox+adblock+hackers keyboard)
Since the old MIRA did perform well with movies and the games that I tested, it is no wonder that the SINA-1 does perform equally good. HD videos work well, jumping around in them works fast, even over HDMI with 1920x1080.
And I have yet to find a game that does not run perfectly on the SINA-1. I have tested the occasional gamer games like Angry Birds, some RPGs and even some 3D shooters.
It is hard to give points for the performance. On the one hand, I am fully satisfied (10/10), on the other hand are tablets and phones being sold with much much more power, at least on paper.
Button/Connector placement:
There are only two buttons, power and volume up/down. Both are placed on the right higher side, where I would have placed them myself. They feel high-quality (they dont dangle/wiggle) and have a distinct pressure point that needs some force. This helps you in knowing when you actually pressed the button and not press buttons by accident.
The connectors are on top (right side). One exception would be the headphone jack which is on the right side above the buttons.
The USB host (where you can plug in normal usb devices) is no longer a common USB port (like MIRA had), but a micro-USB. A short adapter cable came with the tablet.
The normal USB host (where you connect your tablet with the pc to access the memory/sdcard from the pc) is also micro-USB. A longer cable came with the tablet.
I would have liked the normal USB port to stay.
Also, these two distinct different USB ports look the same. Some attention must be payed to not confuse them.
HDMI is mini-HDMI. Adapter did NOT come with the tablet. (Which would have been nice!)
Power In is 5V at 2.5A. Adapter came with the tablet (duh!) - the cable is a bit short for my taste. About the same as with the MIRA before.
Note: the tablets rechargeable battery can no longer be loaded over USB
The connectors are close together, but not too close. you should be able to connect all 3/4 with power at the same time.
The microSD slot is on the right side, almost on the back.
Speaker: The speaker(s?) is on the backside. I feel like the device is not as loud as the MIRA tablets, but still works well for watching movies or listening to music in a normal room when you are alone.
Software:
Android 4.1 is working great.
Some might argue there are a few needless apps preinstalled. For example Google Maps and Navigation on a device which has no GPS and no mobile internet built in.
But there is no real crapware either.
Google Play:
Google Play is installed and working fine. The device gets shown as "Rockchip SINA-1"
I did run into some trouble with my old MIRA-1 and some apps. A few were apparently not compatible (although I did not understand why), others that were compatible did refuse to install (I can not and will not exclude a layer 8 problem here)
All those apps work now with the SINA-1. Install is fast and there is no trouble. The 16GB memory will suffice for a lot of apps.
Battery:
The rechargeable battery is a bit less powerfull than the one in the MIRA-1 and a bit more powerfull than the one in the MIRA-2.
Still, with the higher speed and I would assume, higher resolution, more power is needed. Hence with usage, the charging level does indeed go down. Quite a bit faster than with the MIRA-1. I will have to correct my earlier estimate from 5-6hrs down to 4-5hrs.
In fact, bring your loader if you are gonna go out all day and will be using the tablet much.
Support:
LC-Power is usually quick in answering normal support emails, but they will not exactly fall over each other trying to resolve any exotic issue that might come up. Maybe if you speak mandarin and mail them directly at tech and dev headquarters in probably china you might have some luck, but I doubt that the LC-Power people in Germany, USA or UK or ... had much to say about developing the device and customizing the android (except of course, maybe some translation)
Also, do not expect regular android updates or any long time support and new android versions. 2-3 months ago I was promised 4.1 for the MIRA-1, still hasn't been released.
Connectivety:
Wireless LAN b/g/n is working as intended. I feel however, that the signal strength is weaker than with the MIRA-1 tablet.
Bluetooth: What can I say. Its Bluetooth. Its there, it can be used, it works...
Mobile internet: Only per additional USB dongle (or tether your mobile phone...)
Ethernet: Apparently there are USB dongles for Ethernet LAN out there. Havent seen one yet, but I havent looked hard either.
Modding:
So far, there has yet to establish a big LC-Power community with modders, mods and custom roms. I really really hope it will happen some time. But dont hold your breath, you are on your own. Spread the word of the LC-Power devices, lets get a high enough market share an the chances of a active modding community will rise dramatically. Or do it yourself...
So...
if you dont care about mods and custom roms, the SINA-1 is ok for you.
If you want to play around, learn android, program aps, make mods, maybe even a custom rom, feel free to give the SINA-1 a try.
If you want to download the newest custom ROM, install it per 10 step manual and prag in school about your mad hacking and modding skills, look someplace else...
Rooting:
The device does not come pre-rooted. (MIRA did)
I welcome that change to some degree. I honestly believe in not giving the run-of-the-mill users the ability to break something beyond their own (or even some specialist) capability to repair it.
Then again, I also am not fond of the tricks one has to employ to actually root a device IF someone knows what he is doing and wants to use a device to its full potential.
That being said, it was relatively easy to root the SINA-1. Instructions at the end of my review
One last sentence about the stock ROM. It is not available for download (at least I could not find it). I know of no way to reflash it or recover a bricked device. You wont find extensive help, manuals and tipps to that end. Make sure to have an appropriate backup and/or tread carefully.
I myself will investigate, if you have any insight into that topic, feel free to contact me...
Summary/Conclusion
I really like this tablet. A lot. I found it superior to the MIRA-1 in almost all aspects (especially speed, compatability, screen resolution and build quality). It has however its week points (battery run time, uneven lightning of the display).
Since it is a 10" tablet without mobile internet, it obviously was made for home usage. Browsing webpages from the couch, watching a movie while your in a room without a TV, or listening to music without bringing your stereo, add a game now and then when you are bored. This is where this tablet shines. I could imagine it being used in a work environment / office as well. And when the batterie gets low, you hook it up.
The occasional traveler should be happy as well. Get a dongle or tether it to your phone and you can surf the web in the bus/train. Hook up your headphones and watch a movie (just hope the sun doesnt shine too much). Also, dont expect the tablet to last a flight around the world without loading up...
All in all, a very decent device with a very attractive price.
So should you get it? Well, it depends...
If you have a MIRA-1 or 2 and you are really happy with them, you dont care about waiting 1-2sec for some apps. Then dont get the SINA-1
If you have ANY other single core tablet that is not up to its tasks, makes you wait for apps, annoys you in some way, yes, give the SINA-1 a try - and sell the old one for some cash...
If you are thinking about getting the MIRA-1 or 2 (or another similar single-core device), try really hard to look for the other 40 EUR and get the SINA-1. Or get the MIRA used for like half its retail (~80 EUR), but be warned about the possibility of the tablet being to slow now and then
If you have another dual-core (or more) high-end tablet, probably with a big name on it like some fruit or samsung or nexus.. Sure, buy it. whats another 200 EUR. Or dont, I dont think it will be an upgrade. Just another tablet, even if it is a decent one
the get it or dont get it reasons in the modding subsection still apply
I myself regret nothing. I watch movies in bed, I surf the web on the couch. If I am really lazy I even open up teamviewer to do 2-3 clicks on my PC without getting up. I take the tablet with me on train rides and watch a movie or surf the web with my phone tethered. And I recently started to use it at work for presentations (put my notes on it). And when I am bored, I do play a game now and then.
Mind you, I did/could have done all that with the old tablet as well. But it sure makes more fun now
End of the review---
I certainly hope that this rewritten and formated review is more informative and better on the eyes.
I think I got most of my english mistakes as well.
I hope this helps some folk decide
If you have questions, feel free to ask them here. I will try to look back now and then and answer those questions.
good day
Catwiesel, Germany
Addendum:
How to root the SINA-1
Disclaimer: no guarantee, you break it, not my fault bla bla...
First, it was not difficult. It was done by the "root with restore by bin4ry method"
step 1: enable usb-debugging and allow installing of "foreign apk's" (or whats it called in english)
step 2: get a usb driver for windows (7 x64 in my case)
step 2b: since you probably wont find a driver, modify the google drivers from the android development sdk. add the line to the google.ntx86 and ntamd64 block:
%CompositeAdbInterface% = USB_Install, USB\VID_2207&PID_0010&MI_01
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Click to collapse
step 3: add the file adb_usb.ini at /users/[username]/.android directory with the following line:
0x2207
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Click to collapse
(i had to do this in my user account and in the administrator account*)
step 4: connect the tablet with your pc, make sure all drivers were installed and usb debugging is on
step 5: google, find and download the zip archive with the batch file, scripts and tools needed
(root_with_restore_by_bin4ry_v17.zip did it for me)
step 6: extract the archive, best to some easily found directory like c:\rootit
step 7: start a command line (cmd.exe) (as administrator?)
note: the actual rooting only worked for me when i started the command line as administrator
step 8: start runme.bat from c:\rootit, ch
step 9: choose method 1, wait for it to finish
(all this information was googled and very little trial and error. did not take me more than 30mins with no clue before hand whatsover)
Drivers
can you please explain how did you installed drivers?
I'm having troubles following your manual. I need sina-1 for developing but i can't connect it with adb cause drivers aren't installed correctly.
tnx for review.. I bought SINA-2 and use your method of rooting and it works.. have U tried some custom rom already? I don't know which is compatible with my device...
Does anybody know how to flash recovery or custom rom to this tablet. I have googled and nothing found. Maybe there is no recovery or custom rom for this device.
Update 9 months later
very small update after a few months of light and sporatic use:
- rechargeable batterie runtime:
I might have overestimated the runtime originally. additionally, rechargeable batteries dont get better over time...
that means that you really will be running to the charger a lot at home and should take it with you.
do not expect to be able to surf the web or watch movies the whole day without recharging.
- wireless range:
the wireless range is really really bad.
I originally stated it to be not great, but actually it is really bad.
No other device I ever had or currently have had a worse range.
expect slow transfer speeds even when directly next to the router
expect trouble even behind one wall / more than 5m away
expect no connection or unuseable for anything expect the most rudimentary stuff (getting an email) behind more then 1 wall and/or more than 5m away
--> apparently this WAS a problem with the earlier SINA-1 tablets and LC-Power will fix it. This would also mean that the newer ones should not have this problem
--> this bad wireless connection might also be a reason for the bad batterie runtime
- micro-sd:
I've had bad trouble with my 32GB MicroSD card(s) (SANDISK 32GB SDHC microSD Class 10)
the previous tablet (mira-1) took it, my even older mobile took it, the SINA-1 did not...
since my 8GB and 16GB cards were working I thought my 32gb card is incompatibel
--> A few weeks ago I could test another SINA-1 (new), no trouble with my 32gb microsd...
- Android
no new android / update has been released by LC-Power (that I can find)
- Modding:
still no real community
- Apps / Games
a few games (that might need a somewhat more powerfull device) that I can tell you are working are:
magicka, pokerstars, terraria
- built, glas, buttons
after light and cautious use over many months, the tablet can still look like new (if you clean it)
I have no scratches, no color scraping off, the buttons dont wobble. its like new
- the power-in jack
this needs a mention too, since it really is not well done. the plug fits, but will fall out very very easily.
best not to move the tablet when you have it plugged in
conclusion:
my first review still stands more or less... for its price this is a okay tablet
if the wlan is indeed being fixed and the batterie will run a bit longer for the current sold devices, this is still a good buy for ~150 EUR
since I do not really know what is wrong with the microsd issue (my tablet broken? newer tablets unaffected) I can not use it for reviewing. but be warned
HOWEVER...
there is a new LC-Power SINA-2 tablet that I will be reviewing soon...
I will post the link later
Thank you so much for sharing.
Very useful review, thank you.
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Front camera not supporting video calls
Hi!
I was wondering if anyone who owns this tab had any issues with incoming/outgoing video calls (via skype/facebook/ooVoo).
Fact is, I can't make video calls via any of the above software, when i try, skype just blanks out and goes to previous screen. When incoming calls arrive it does the same but it says that I have a missed call.
OoVoo on the other hand connects to video call but automatically uses the back camera instead of front.
I don't get it. Any advices/ideas?
Thx
Here you go guys This tablet got CM10.2 fully working, with stock kernel <3
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=58477955&postcount=1187
Hope this helps!
The Grüß,
H.
And Sina 2 review?
My review of the SINA-2
Introduction
About a year ago I became the proud owner of the first LC-Power tablet, the MIRA-1.
For its price it was okay, I was sort of happy but in the end, it was a bit slow for me and I sold it for a faster one the first chance I got.
Which brought me to the LC-Power SINA-1 that I bought in 12/2012 for ~ 200EUR (Germany)
I was happy and kept it, although it was not really perfect. The speed was what I needed, problems were WiFi Range and battery life.
I wrote a review for the tablet and posted it on this site.
Not too long ago I ended up testing another SINA-1 tablet. I came away from it with a distinct feeling that some of my troubles were not existent with the newer tablet.
I started some research and came upon some hints that indeed there are a few issues with the SINA-1 that will be repaired if you sent in your tablet (via. trader/distributer).
I am assuming that newer versions are manufactured or at least sold with the fixes in places and this is why I noticed less trouble with the newer SINA-1
So I contacted LC-Power. Unfortunately, they did not confirm nor deny any problems with the (earlier) SINA-1 tablets. All they said was if a tablet is broken and within its warrenty, it will get repaired or exchanged if your dealer sends it to them.
Long story short I began to think...
Do I really want to send in my almost-good-as-new (no scratches, well handeled, batteries not stressed much) tablet that may (my point of view) or may not (probably their point of view) have a defect which may or may not be fixed or get the whole device swapped out wich a much more used one.
No, and chances are, you wont too... especially when there is the SINA-2 available.
So I did some research and decided to just get a new tablet and then maybe send in the SINA-1.
So I became the proud owner of the new SINA-2
Specs / Comparison
The SINA-2 is the successor of the SINA-1. They are quite similar in hardware:
HARDWARE SINA-1 SINA-2
CPU ARM Cortex A9 DualCore 1,5GHz ARM Cortex A9 DualCore 1,6GHz
GPU Mali 400 QuadCore 250MHz Mali 400 QuadCore 250MHz
Display 10.1" IPS 1280x800 10.1" IPS 1280x800
Touch 5 Point Touchscreen 5 Point Touchscreen
RAM 1GB 1GB
Memory 16GB NAND Flash 16GB NAND Flash
CardReader MicroSD up to 32GB MicroSD up to 32GB
OS Android 4.1 Android 4.1
Networking 802.11 b/g/n, Bluetooth 4 802.11 b/g/n, Bluetooth 4
Camera Front 0.3MP, Back 2MP Front 0.3MP, Back 2MP
Connectors: USB 2.0, HDMI (micro) USB 2.0 host only, HDMI (micro)
Battery: 5200mAh 6000mAh
Size: 10.8 x 258 x 176 mm 10.5 x 263 x 173 mm
Weight: 0.603kg 0.601kg
I got the SINA-2 for 170EUR (eBay Germany, 15th september 2013)
Please note, the SINA-1 is still being sold and costs about as much as the SINA-2
The product name for both (!) is LC10TAB-A9-DUAL
Packaging, accessoires:
The box is very similar to the SINA-1... White, a picture, some text...
Inside, the tablet is safely lying inside a plastic bag and fit snuggly to the 4 walls with a rubbery foam.
Under the tablet you will find the accessoires:
a small micro-usb host cable, a normal micro-usb cable, the power adapter, and a piece of paper some might dare call a manual
First impression:
Again, the tablet feels solid but is not too heavy. It is lying well in the hand, is not too heavy and not too slippery.
Some other owners have commented on the "huge" gaps between the different materials on the SINA-1
The SINA-2 does not improve in that regard. There are still noticeable gaps between the sides, the front and back.
If this matters or not is I believe a point of personal preference, I feel these little gaps give a certain grip at the edges, others may feel a certain lack of elegance and lacking of strict manufacturing tolerances...
There are however, no hard/sharp edges noticeable.
Compared to the SINA-1 the SINA-2 is a bit longer but not as high. On paper, it is thinner too. The corners are a little bit rounder too.
However, I doubt that the differences will be noticed without direct compairing them.
Display (visual):
The 1280x800 resolution suits the tablet well. Text from websites looks sharp, picures look vivid, videos are great too.
The viewing angle is what you would expect from an IPS panel.
The further you move from the center field of view to the sides and increase the viewing angle, the worse the picture will get.
However, I dont feel tablets are made to watch one small screen with a group of people... Occasional sharing with 2-3 people will work fine if you stick your heads together but this is not.
The brightness (350cd/m²) is good, in fact, in a very dark environment you may want to lower the brightness a bit.
Contrast is ok.
The glossy display, again, could be problematic in very bright environments.
The background lightning is adquate transform. There are again, slight bright spots (especially on the left side) at the edge of the screen.
Display (touch):
5-point-capacative touchscreen.
Reacts well, no extensive lag noticeable.
The display is, just like the SINA-1, not too bad.
Yes, there are many better displays out there...
But are they out there for a similar price or for more than double?
For the below 200EUR price range a 10" tablet with 1280x800 is just fine.
CPU / GPU Performance
I did not run any tablet/mobile/arm benchmarks, all this is based on pure subjective feelings...
The tablet performs well. The SINA-2 is a bit faster then its predecessor, but nothing really noticeable.
For most operations the DualCore 1.6GHz ARM CPU will do just fine (and so did the 1.5GHz).
Browsing the web, running JAVA or FlashPlayer works well. Just like the SINA-1, this tablet can take firefox+addons+hackers keyboard without freezes.
Full HD videos work well, even over HDMI (1920x1080) and jumping around the timeline.
I have not tested the GPU performance extensively. So far, every game/app I tried worked well
(not complete) list:
- Terraria
- Magicka
- Pokerstars
- TempleRun
- Ampelini
- Burger
Obviously, this tablet will not be as fast as your new PC or the QuadCore mobiles and tablets...
Buttons/Connectors:
Like the SINA-1, the SINA-2 has only two buttons, power on/off and volume up/down.
This time the buttons have been put on the top left (I feel the SINA-1 placement top right has been slightly better).
The buttons themselves feel just like they should. They dont wiggle and have a distinct pressure point.
The connectors are placed on the left side.
There is only one microUSB port, working as both, USB host so you can plug in USB devices (sticks, mobile phones, 3G dongles) as well as normal USB
so you can plug the tablet into your pc.
Again, the HDMI out is mini-HDMI. The adapter does not come with the tablet.
The headphone jack is nothing special (3.5mm)
The power-in is the same size as before with the SINA-1.
However, the power adapter (looks the same) is a different kind.
Where the SINA-1 took 5V 2.5A, the SINA-2 now takes 9.5V at 2A !
The change from 5V to 9.5V is a bit surprising and might not have been a smart idea. True enough, even the SINA-1 could not be charged over USB anymore, but many power banks have adapters to supply power to different plugs. However, they all supply 5V.
With the new 9.5V DC in, the tablet may charge its battery more quickly, however, you may have lost the ability to load the tablet up with your power banks...
The jack itself got a much needed improvement. Where the SINA-1 plug fell out with the slightest of pull, the SINA-2 plug fits really well and needs much more force to be pulled out.
The microSD TF card reader is on the left side too. Some attention needs to be payed when ejecting microSD cards, the spring can throw the cards quite a few feet
The speaker on the back is okay. Nothing extra ordinary, just like the SINA-1. Quality is okay and loudness is okay too. It could be better but it works...
Software:
Android 4.1 is preinstalled and works quite well.
No real crapware is preinstalled.
Google Play:
Google Play is installed and working fine. The device gets shown as "Rockchip SINA-2"
I have not run into any problems with the shop and/or apps so far.
Note: if you own both the SINA-1 and SINA-2, the shop may actually get confused and show only one of the devices.
Both will be able to access the play store and download apps but if you log in the shop via your PC, only one of both devices will be visible.
To make the other tablet visible you will have to re-sign up (reenter email/password) to the play store from the device...
Battery:
The rechargeable battery got a bit of a much needed beef up compared to the SINA-1 (5200mAh to 6000mAh)
I have only tested a bit so far.
Playing video from a NAS via WiFi the battery will last 5-6 hrs.
To reacharge the battery from 0 to 100% will take ~3 hrs
The SINA-1 would have run out of juice way before that after 3-4hrs.
Almost doubling the run time with only adding ~20% more capacity to the battery leads me to believe that there is another factor at work.
I suspect the SINA-1 WiFi taking much more power than the SINA-2 ...
Connectivety:
Wireless LAN b/g/n is working well. The range and signal strength has been vastly improved upon the SINA-1 (and is back to the level of the MIRA-1).
Do not expect 300+ MBit with the n
Bluetooth 4.0: what can I say again. Its there, its working...
Ethernet: Support for USB to Ethernet dongles. Untested
Mobile (3G) Internet: Support for USB 3G dongles. A list with working dongles is available from LC-Power support. (might post it later)
Tried with mine, works...
Support:
LC-Power is usually quick in answering normal support emails, but they will not exactly fall over each other trying to resolve any exotic issue that might come up. Maybe if you speak mandarin and mail them directly at tech and dev headquarters in probably china you might have some luck, but I doubt that the LC-Power people in Germany, USA or UK or ... had much to say about developing the device and customizing the android (except of course, maybe some translation)
Also, do not expect regular android updates or any long time support and new android versions.
(this has been copy and pasted from my SINA-1 review)
Modding:
There is no active modding community for the LC-Power devices.
I had hoped this will change over time but apparently, not much happened in the last year.
Maybe it still will happen if enough LC-Power tablets are sold and used...
Of course, you still can do it all yourself. But do not expect a huge community or custom ROMs
Note:
Apparently, there is no good source (download link) for the stock ROM...
So if you are going to start modding, tread lightly. Make a backup and so on...
Rooting:
The SINA-2 does not come pre-rooted.
UNTESTED:
I expect the SINA-2 can be rooted just like the SINA-1
I will test it and post the manual later...
Summary and Conclusion:
When I tested the SINA-1 I wrote that I liked it (a lot). Unfortunately, due to the short run time, bad WiFi range and cardreader trouble (probably my device only) the enthusiasm did not last too long...
However, it was still better than the MIRA-1 and well usable with a competetive price...
Now to the SINA-2
It is just like the SINA-1 only better.
They fixed the run time, the wifi range and my card reader is working...
The dimensions of the tablet got changed but they are almost not noticeable.
The connector and button placement got changed, to the better or worse should/can not be judged objectively...
So all in all, the SINA-2 is what the SINA-1 should and could have been.
Now, should you get it?
This is not as easy as it used to be... When the MIRA-1 and later the SINA-1 were released, the LC-Power devices were "fast" and "cheap"...
However, in the last year or so, many other similar tablets in a similar price range have been released and you have more choices...
Still, I'll attempt to give some hints:
- If you need your tablet to be 3G, you may want to look for something else. Sure, the 3G dongle works, but why not chose one with built in 3G
- If you dont have a tablet and want one for browsing websites, watching videos and playing games at home on your couch as well as occasional taking it with you, you absolutely could get the SINA-2
- If you have the SINA-1 and it works for you, you do not need the SINA-2
- If you have the SINA-1 and it does not work for for the mentioned reasons, you may consider getting the SINA-2 and selling the SINA-1...
- If you need a fast, high quality tablet, and or need it to do work, or if you have more cash than you can spend... you may want to go for the high-quality tablets (nexus 10, samsung, ipad (shudder!), ...)
- If you want, ney, need a big modding community you need to look for something else
I am very happy with it and will sell my SINA-1 ...
How to root the SINA-2
Disclaimer: no guarantee, you break it, not my fault bla bla...
First, it was not difficult. It was done by the "root with restore by bin4ry method"
step 1: enable usb-debugging and allow installing of "foreign apk's" (or whats it called in english)
step 2: get a usb driver for windows (7 x64 in my case)
step 2b: since you probably wont find a driver, modify the google drivers from the android development sdk. add the line to the google.ntx86 and ntamd64 block:
%CompositeAdbInterface% = USB_Install, USB\VID_2207&PID_0010&MI_01
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step 3: add the file adb_usb.ini at /users/[username]/.android directory with the following line:
0x2207
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(i had to do this in my user account and in the administrator account*)
step 4: connect the tablet with your pc, make sure all drivers were installed and usb debugging is on
step 5: google, find and download the zip archive with the batch file, scripts and tools needed
(root_with_restore_by_bin4ry_v17.zip did it for me)
step 6: extract the archive, best to some easily found directory like c:\rootit
step 7: start a command line (cmd.exe) (as administrator?)
note: the actual rooting only worked for me when i started the command line as administrator
step 8: start runme.bat from c:\rootit, ch
step 9: choose method 1, wait for it to finish
TESTED, WORKING
This is the document I got from LC-Power when asking for a supported dongles list for the SINA-1 and SINA-2 tablets:
The device(with Boxchips A13/A10) can support below 3G Dongles:
Dongle List:
WCDMA:
HuaWei-MU509,HuaWei-E153,HuaWei-E156G,HuaWei-E160E,HuaWei-K3520,HuaWei-
E170,HuaWei-E172
HuaWei-E173,HuaWei-E176G,HuaWei-E1782,HuaWei-E180,HuaWei-E220,HuaWei-E22
6,HuaWei-E261
HuaWei-E270,HuaWei-E353,HuaWei-E1552,HuaWei-E1786,ZTE-MF110,,ZTE-MF633,Z
TE-MF637u,
ZTE-MF170,ZTE-MF633BP+,ZTE-MF190,SRT-H800,WU-830,WU930
HuaWei-E1550，AL720(Australia 3G dongle),huawei E303,LW272,LW273
CDMA2000/EVDO:
HuaWei-EM660,HuaWei-MC509,HuaWei-EC122,HuaWei-EC150,HuaWei-EC156,HuaW
ei-EC1270,HuaWei-EC167
HuaWei-EC189,ZTE-MC2716,ZTE-AC2736,,ZTE-AC2746,ZTE-AC2766,ZTE-AC2766,ZT
E-AC560,ZTE-AC580
ZTE-AC581,,ZTE-AC590,ST804,ST809,E1916,WU830,SRT-E800,C820 ZTE-AC2726,
Huawei-EC169C,huawei EC179
TD-SCDMA:
HuaWei-ET127,HuaWei-ET128-2,ASB T920
Usage :
Just insert the available 3G Dongle,and it will automatically dial-up.
Thank you so much for sharing.
Szsion (i am not allowed to post links, google it, the first match is the one) produces quite nice android only (no ce) car navis that fit the design of different cars (audi, VW, mercedes, BMW, Kia, opel and many more).
I bought the Audi A3 version which looks quite like my now obsolete audi rns-e navigation plus.
I assume that the radios are technically all the same with different CAM bus boxes on the back and different designs. Sporting MStar SoCs (subsidary of Mediatek) they have a CPU powerful enough for car radio tasks and have a quite nice display.
I am also happy with the radio reception, which is as good as my original audi device. also i bought a realtek based dVB-T stick which enables me to use SDR along with digital radio, tv and FM in even better quality.
Navigation is VERY accurate, I even play ingress on it
The only issues I have at the moment is CAN bus support, which is because I got a pre-sale sample with some firmware problems regarding can bus support and I can't turn display brightness to full at the momenr, but that could be fixed with a new software.
So , do you guys know something about those devices ? Anybody else owns one? I just saw that DX.COM is also selling them, so chances are that I am not the only one with this nice device..
Greetings
maitrot said:
Szsion (i am not allowed to post links, google it, the first match is the one) produces quite nice android only (no ce) car navis that fit the design of different cars (audi, VW, mercedes, BMW, Kia, opel and many more).
I bought the Audi A3 version which looks quite like my now obsolete audi rns-e navigation plus.
I assume that the radios are technically all the same with different CAM bus boxes on the back and different designs. Sporting MStar SoCs (subsidary of Mediatek) they have a CPU powerful enough for car radio tasks and have a quite nice display.
I am also happy with the radio reception, which is as good as my original audi device. also i bought a realtek based dVB-T stick which enables me to use SDR along with digital radio, tv and FM in even better quality.
Navigation is VERY accurate, I even play ingress on it
The only issues I have at the moment is CAN bus support, which is because I got a pre-sale sample with some firmware problems regarding can bus support and I can't turn display brightness to full at the momenr, but that could be fixed with a new software.
So , do you guys know something about those devices ? Anybody else owns one? I just saw that DX.COM is also selling them, so chances are that I am not the only one with this nice device..
Greetings
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As a trading company selling car multimedia since 2007, we purchased some samples on may 15 ( all with either 8 Gb or 16 Gb storage memory). We are still expecting to see the first units....nothing has been shipped till now....
Also : SION shares it's office address with ZHINAVI, selling same units with another interface....please check what you'll find in XDA forums about this company...I don't want to comment publicly, only in private messages if you want.... For me they are sisters companies, even if SION denies it....I am rather anxious about this....
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As a trading company selling car multimedia since 2007, we purchased some samples on may 15 ( all with either 8 Gb or 16 Gb storage memory). We are still expecting to see the first units....nothing has been shipped till now....
Also : SION shares it's office address with ZHINAVI, selling same units with another interface....please check what you'll find in XDA forums about this company...I don't want to comment publicly, only in private messages if you want.... For me they are sisters companies, even if SION denies it....I am rather anxious about this....
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Don't worry about not getting the devices. They exist
It seems that they are having some trouble with CAN conectivity which they claim is a software issue. I insisted on getting my device anyway and putting on software updates later on. Linkey is very nice if you ask her ...
They could also send me just 4gig model since 8 and 16 are not available yet.
They could, however communicate the problems a little more and not letting us wait 2 months without delivery, a mail saying that it will take some time would be nice...
The launcher they use is very nice, like on the pictures. The cpu is powerful enough for car tasks, gps is awesome. I have the best snr i ever had on any of my android devices.
Dvd playback works, radio is good. As I already said.
Anbody knows a rooting technique that MAY work with the mstar cpu?
I have been following these units as well. I have asked for a video of the interface so that I could see performance. Instead of doing a walk-thru like most companies, I got this, that I uploaded to YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHl2ZaDq3iw
I have also asked about unlocking the bootloader. It seems that the manufacture is interested in modifying his code to Android 5.x I told him if he opened up 100% of the source code to XDA, not only would he have a stable build of 5.x, but he would also have the best selling unit on XDA. I havent heard any more back.
I bought and received one of these for my 2006 Audi A4. It's working alright, sill trying to integrate steering wheel controls and the rear speakers aren't working, these two items aren't huge for me so I'm happy with the purchase so far. Also, I ordered and received the item within a week, crazy fast
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I bought and received one of these for my 2006 Audi A4. It's working alright, sill trying to integrate steering wheel controls and the rear speakers aren't working, these two items aren't huge for me so I'm happy with the purchase so far. Also, I ordered and received the item within a week, crazy fast
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Hi Riley!
Do any of your CANBUS features work or is it just the SWC that dors not work?
Also, how happy are you with the display brightness? Mine's way too dim for daylight use. At night, the display is very nice and sharp with beautiful living color, but with sunlight it really sucks so bad you almost can't see anything.
What's your software version?
I forgot to mention how AWESOME it would be to have source code access for this device.
KICK-ASS!
Anybody got an idea how I could try to enhance the display brightness?
riley815 said:
I bought and received one of these for my 2006 Audi A4. It's working alright, sill trying to integrate steering wheel controls and the rear speakers aren't working, these two items aren't huge for me so I'm happy with the purchase so far. Also, I ordered and received the item within a week, crazy fast
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I have similar unit for Audi A4 2002 model, rear speakers were not working but got around that by connecting the rear aux outputs left and right to the cables for aux inputs left and right!
I also have trouble with the Canbus support and the LED lights on the unit do not go off when the unit is powered down. Thats not good news for my battery. However the unit is very quick and GPS works smoothly....
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maitrot said:
Don't worry about not getting the devices. They exist
It seems that they are having some trouble with CAN conectivity which they claim is a software issue. I insisted on getting my device anyway and putting on software updates later on. Linkey is very nice if you ask her ...
They could also send me just 4gig model since 8 and 16 are not available yet.
They could, however communicate the problems a little more and not letting us wait 2 months without delivery, a mail saying that it will take some time would be nice...
The launcher they use is very nice, like on the pictures. The cpu is powerful enough for car tasks, gps is awesome. I have the best snr i ever had on any of my android devices.
Dvd playback works, radio is good. As I already said.
Anbody knows a rooting technique that MAY work with the mstar cpu?
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Baidu Root works just fine.
The display is not great in the sunlight. I also think the colors are a bit washed out. The radio tries to turn on the back up camera when I go in reverse and the led lights turn off when I turn off the headlights, so I assume the canbus is working. I think the swc is a wire harness issue, I'm going to check it out when I feel brave enough.
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Those with Audis, how does the plastic of the radio match the dash?? The HuiFei unit was a glossy and didn't really match the matte factory finish
It looks great against the dash, like it belongs.
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Side Note... Those with the Audi that are having speaker issues. 99% of the time this is because the right harness combo is not hooked up. I worked in car stereo for years and tell you the Audi harnesses can be tricky. Sometimes you need to have speaker wires only, sometimes you need to use the RCA jack harness, and sometimes you need to use both.
DO NOT PM asking me to help with your car. This is nothing something that can be troubleshot over the internet. Has to be done in person. Your best best is too pull your radio out and the harness, You should have a separate harness that plugs into the back of the radio giving you RCA output. You will need to take these outputs and try plugging into the harness that goes into the car. A combo of these, should cause all speakers to work.
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One more question for the Audi guys. The 4 buttons around the volume knob. Can you program these to do certain functions? i.e. One to be home, one to be radio, one to GPS, last one to be Google Music for example.
The default is home, gps, secondary menu and radio. I haven't figured out how to change them yet though
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Ok, it might be a hack to change them then. Im waiting to order mine as the harness shown to come with the radio is not the harness I need for my Audi. Also been told that the new versions work fine with the SWC. Once I see a picture of what harnesses come with the new versions, I will make my final decision.
Anyone want to install CPU-Z to see what the actual hardware specs are??
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cpuid.cpu_z&hl=en
I'll give it a whirl
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If you do while on Wi-Fi, online validation will upload the specs and you can share the URL
valid.canardpc.com/a/ac5tun
Interesting it couldnt read the Frequency of the CPU... :-/
You can change the button layout by going to the calculator and type in !(123)= or !(786)=(look what works for you) and then chose the 4th option.
Can anybody share me the gps program they got with there device, mine was navione and its in chinese i dont understand anything of it.
Thanks in advance
I always use Google Maps and just make sure I downloaded the maps for offline mode
Planing on getting a new head unit for my Jeep, so single din is really the only way to go unless you want to go down the big dash replacement path.
Thinking of getting the joying 8.8 .
Joying 8.8 Inch Single Din Android Auto&Carplay Android 10.0 Car Radio With New User Interface
SKU: JY-HQS01N4G-2Ship From: Chinese WarehouseCPU: UIS7862 12nm Dual ARM Cortex-A75 + Six ARM A55Ram: LPDDR4 4GB Rom:EMMC 64GBSupport Bluetooth, WiFi, DVR, OBD2, Back-Up Camera
www.joyingauto.com
How reliable are these units? As I assume warranty is almost none exisiting after PayPal support runs out.
What are your thoughts.? I was planing on going all in with DVR, rear cam, TPS and engine scanner.
I have no experience with that device but I purchased a 60$ double Din unit 6 months ago that came with backup cam, steering wheel controls, BT, and screen casting from android. It has been surprisingly reliable and for the price even if it breaks I will just buy a newer unit and swap it. Anyway I like the way that one looks but the price... I bet Amazon has a cheaper alternative
What unit did you get?
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What unit did you get?
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I was trying to stick with single din as there is least adjustments required for me car
I purchased a Joying 7862 10.5 inch head unit, because I read that the Navifly/Mekede ones do not sent the proper low-level line output signals the amplifier(s). I discovered that Joying's firmware does not allow making hands-free phone calls using Google Assistant. When I give the voice command "Hey Google, call mom", it responds with "I'm not able to make calls yet". Has anyone has been able to make this work with the Navify/Mekede head units? I asked some resellers and they said that I can pay $15 more for "Voice software" that will allow Google Assistant to work. Is this true?
I have 2 weeks to return my Joying for a refund, which I'm now considering. I contacted Joying support directly, and they responded that since I bought it on AliExpress I should contact my seller for support. When I asked the seller about the issue, they told me to install a firmware update dated 2021.7.5 to see if that solves it, but the result was the same. I regret spending so much more on a Joying brand and getting bad support.
Don't take it too hard, they are all mostly the same in terms of device support and universal unwillingness to fix that last 10% of software bugs which I think would make these units unbeatable value.
Yes even that odd spelling and probably just as mispronounced "T" brand.
That said, I was able to obtain spare parts out of both one of the xtrons resellers (who ever they are) and the forum Dasiata contact. I brought a Joying once, I wont make the same mistake.
Ended up buying a joying 10.25" android 8.1 from the official Amazon AU store for $230. It was a bargain I couldn't pass up.
Pretty happy with it so for and have had it for about 3 months.
The only 3 annoyances I have are.
1. Radio app always starts of the car is left off for a few days and radio compleatly shuts down.
2. Hey Google voice dialling doesn't work, but another forum member is helping me through that issue and we will hopefully sort it.
3. Audio controls can be mapped to virtual buttons on launcher.
i purchased a 10.5 joying head unit and i love it.. im able to use kodi, watch movies, no need for the brake bypass, it works with the factory amp, no issues there and i can make and recieve phone calls and text, i have t mobile magenta max sim card, i cant use the 5g service but i works great still. very awesome quality, i got the 6gb ram and 128 internal, i also run retro arch and run emulated video games.