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Q&A MTCD Units

Where is the source code?
A: It is not released, nor will it be released as it was with mtcB. WTF!
Do the MTCD boards have proprietary hardware and/or software? Besides the MCU
A: Yes. Custom digitizer means you have to buy screen from them. LCD is generic so its replaceable but I have found a reputable dealer. Heres website
http://cowinlcd.com/html/en/index.php?ac=article&at=read&did=113
What are the LCD and digitizer model numbers?
A:depends on the head unit model
10.1 inch version: Cowin and goodix
7 inch versions: ?
Where can I find rk3188 2gb boards to replace the 1gb board?
A:JOYING-There are none. They keep claiming 2gb is coming, but if they knew MTCB boards were slow with 1gb, why are they selling it again.
A:Xtrons-
How are they loading the software onto the board? (Jtag etc)
A: from Rockchips site,
"Support system code download by the following interface: USB OTG interface. | UART2Interface "
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Then I'm assuming(NOT TESTED) we can use rktool and flash the update img. Tearing apart the img shows partion paths. This might be the method for user recovery on hard brick units.
Has anyone found any suspicious activity/service/app running on these units?
A: Not yet but since source is being withheld BE CAREFUL of your privacy.
Has anyone used any after market shark fins with these units?
A: Only Radio fins was tested. GPS fins unknown. LTE fins known.
A guy pm'd me an app that sets Poweramp as the primary music player and adds it to steering wheel controls, however the app is specifically for poweramp unfortunately. However, if someone has managed to make it work with power amp, i cant see a reason why it couldnt be re-worked for Google Music?
A: Joying and other brands dont care or have much knowledge. The lack of source code is sad. Its left up to the users which begs the question:
Why is this product so expensive if it runs extremely slow and we have to do all the work?
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Is there any way to pull an image of the full MCU/stock software for recovery purposes, or is this one of those things that is really available only from manufacturer?
A: Yes . Online Nandroid on play store. or RKtools.
Where can I get drivers and other useful tools?
A:Rockchips site
If anyone else has questions that get answered here Ill update first post to reflect it.

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If anyone else has questions that get answered here Ill update first post to reflect it.
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Where is the source code?
It is not released, nor will it be released as it was with mtcB
What are the LCD and digitizer model numbers?
depends on the head unit model
Where can I find rk3188 2gb sodimm boards to replace the 1gb board?
not available yet from Joying but it is under development
How are they loading the software onto the board? (Jtag etc)
what software?
apps are installed like any other android phone
Has anyone found any suspicious activity/service/app running on these units?
not yet
Has anyone used any after market shark fins with these units?
Radio antennas? sure many people and it is recommended if your car has more than one radio.

not available yet from Joying but it is under development
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I thought Rockchip produces those boards?
what software?
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android system/bootloader/kernel How are they loading onto the nand storage. With certain phones and tablets you can jtag. Others require certain hardware or software to load it onto the board. This is to try to come up with a user method of recovering hard bricks.

Can anyone with experience of MTCB units and MTCD units post some sort of comparison of the two types ?
We can see what the differences are but it would be useful if someone with experience of both types ( @Marius B or @doctorman maybe) could post some comments explaining the hands on advantages or disadvantages compared to the "B" units.
Maybe even open a new thread on the subject of the differences and whether its worth upgrading to the "D" types.

I have seen a question about malicious apps/activity a few times on the MTCD board. Was that a problem on the MTCB units or another? Or are you all just doing due diligence?
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CadillacMike said:
I have seen a question about malicious apps/activity a few times on the MTCD board. Was that a problem on the MTCB units or another? Or are you all just doing due diligence?
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never saw anything on that regard in Joying units at least.
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typos1 said:
Can anyone with experience of MTCB units and MTCD units post some sort of comparison of the two types ?
We can see what the differences are but it would be useful if someone with experience of both types ( @Marius B or @doctorman maybe) could post some comments explaining the hands on advantages or disadvantages compared to the "B" units.
Maybe even open a new thread on the subject of the differences and whether its worth upgrading to the "D" types.
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what kind of detail do you need.
there are reviews around the net on both..
to my experience right now the mtcD ROM needs major polishing , it is nothing close to mtcB. it is sluggish.
I am so sure that I noticed one boot at 10 seconds but could not replicate it, I am getting 23 seconds boot time on mtcD with latest Joying ROM.
motherboardis rearranged,
it has now 3 UPS plugs on the mother board, only 2 used.
2 wifi antennas but wifi is still 2.4 GHz
GPS antenna is soldered to the coreboard instead of motherboard.
the screen ribbon cable in mtcD is narrower and does not fit the old mtcB connection
touch screens are not interchangeable even though the cable is the same
BT is built in to the motherboard now
I would give the mtcD 6 months to mature up like mtcB units
we now have many developers working on head units and they are joining mtcD as well and bring their work over to these so it will hopefully go faster.

doctorman said:
there are reviews around the net on both..
to my experience right now the mtcD ROM needs major polishing , it is nothing close to mtcB. it is sluggish.
I am so sure that I noticed one boot at 10 seconds but could not replicate it, I am getting 23 seconds boot time on mtcD with latest Joying ROM.
motherboardis rearranged,
it has now 3 UPS plugs on the mother board, only 2 used.
2 wifi antennas but wifi is still 2.4 GHz
GPS antenna is soldered to the coreboard instead of motherboard.
the screen ribbon cable in mtcD is narrower and does not fit the old mtcB connection
touch screens are not interchangeable even though the cable is the same
BT is built in to the motherboard now
I would give the mtcD 6 months to mature up like mtcB units
we now have many developers working on head units and they are joining mtcD as well and bring their work over to these so it will hopefully go faster.
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Thanks Doctorman, I think its pretty obvious that MTCD will replace MTCB, a shame in some ways cos of all the work done on MTCB units over the years, it would have been nice to be able to just upgrade the SoM as we did from MTCB RK3066 to MTCB RK3188, on the other hand the MTCD MCU seems to be better then the MTCB MCU and lots of the MTCBs bugs seem to have gone with the MTCD units, its just a case of allowing them to mature lke you say.

I need the steps in order to root my device
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Does anyone have an MCTD device that has working bluetooth settings? Can you add and remove devices freely without issues?
The rom that came on my device can't add/remove bluetooth devices from the head unit bluetooth settings page. Selecting a device does nothing. It's as if you don't pair a device once initially prompted, it won't let you change things.

I do, but only phones and OBD2 dongles pair so far. Also most apps other than Torque that would use the BT obd2 dongle think that BT is off in the system.

I bought a Huifei unit for my VW Crafter (I can't post links yet due to my post count, but if you search for Crafter quad core android something like it comes up). Since it is essentially the same as the Mercedes Sprinter, it fits both cars. However, on the VW the dash lights are red and on the MB they are orange. Apparantly when switching to 5.1.1 they also made some hardware modifications. One of them being that the button lights aren't RGB anymore, but only orange. I've already tried to resolve this through the seller by obtaining a new button pcb with red leds, but that seems like a track that doesn't really lead anywhere.
Since I see many people doing hardware mods on these units also, I was wondering whether this is a mod that a local electronic repair shop could do. I've contacted one of them, but they didn't want to do it because they feared the SMD-technique.
I hope you guys can confirm that this is possible to do by a professional repair shop.
BTW, I know I'm to late to the show to sponsor the new unit for the 5.1.1 development. But I would like to show my gratitude to this person anyway, since I'm really hoping the software side of things gets improved soon also and I'm very happy that he is willing to take on this task. How can I still donate to him?

hans1983 said:
I bought a Huifei unit for my VW Crafter (I can't post links yet due to my post count, but if you search for Crafter quad core android something like it comes up). Since it is essentially the same as the Mercedes Sprinter, it fits both cars. However, on the VW the dash lights are red and on the MB they are orange. Apparantly when switching to 5.1.1 they also made some hardware modifications. One of them being that the button lights aren't RGB anymore, but only orange. I've already tried to resolve this through the seller by obtaining a new button pcb with red leds, but that seems like a track that doesn't really lead anywhere.
Since I see many people doing hardware mods on these units also, I was wondering whether this is a mod that a local electronic repair shop could do. I've contacted one of them, but they didn't want to do it because they feared the SMD-technique.
I hope you guys can confirm that this is possible to do by a professional repair shop.
BTW, I know I'm to late to the show to sponsor the new unit for the 5.1.1 development. But I would like to show my gratitude to this person anyway, since I'm really hoping the software side of things gets improved soon also and I'm very happy that he is willing to take on this task. How can I still donate to him?
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a bit if hot air and the correct LEDs should be an easy modification.

Hello
Whether at this moment is possible to configure wheel to sterring in custom aps like a spotify etc.? I have mtcd for bmw and in my Steering wheel keys app dont see any keys.
Or We need to new custom firemware or app updates?

Just make use of the "phone" app, you can delete paired devices there!
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There is already an deprecated app for this.
Maybe the developer can help us with this?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ws.petro.rk3188.headunit&hl=de

hashtowent said:
Just make use of the "phone" app, you can delete paired devices there!
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There is already an deprecated app for this.
Maybe the developer can help us with this?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ws.petro.rk3188.headunit&hl=de
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He d probably have to re-write the app as it talks to the MTCB MCUs.

Is there any prerooted, more recent Rom for"MTCD_LM_V1.40_1" (03/30/2016)? Thanks in advance.
Headunit is made by Erisin LM. Android 5.1.1. RK3188

hashtowent said:
Is there any prerooted, more recent Rom for"MTCD_LM_V1.40_1" (03/30/2016)? Thanks in advance.
Headunit is made by Erisin. Android 5.1.1. RK3188
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No, your head unit is NOT made by Erisin, Erisin are a seller.
Go to settings/about device and see what 2 or 3 letters appear after "MTCD" in the MCU field to find who your manufacturer is.

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No, your head unit is NOT made by Erisin, Erisin are a seller.
Go to settings/about device and see what 2 or 3 letters appear after "MTCD" in the MCU field to find who your manufacturer is.
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Thanks for this!
Can LM Boards be used with some other manufactors roms likely "rebranding"? (or will this cause a soft/hardbrick?)

I flashed on my KGL Unit a Joying Rom. Just the Rom, not the MCU!!
Works without problems.

Can anyone tell me if the modded apps like Bluetooth and Radio for the MTCB units work on MTCD units??

What's The news in Android HU scene ?

Hi guys
So in 2017, I bought an Andrid HU with an Intel Sofia SoC ( Joying JY-VM130N2D) for my Volkswagen.
It still works but there is some annoying bug and now i'm quiet bored of that. So I want to know what's the news on the Android HU scene.
-As I remember, the Intel SoC can boot approx. 5 sec after turn on the car and the RKXXX is always 30 sec ? How it is now ?
-Now I can see PX6, MTCE etc... what's the updates between the old one ?
-What's pro and con's between Intel and Rockchip ? It seems, there is more people who develop on RK than Intel
-Which company I should use to look for a new HU? Joying seems to stay with Intel Soc and i Don't know the brand like Xtrons, EUNAVI...
Cheers guys and happy new year !!

Perhaps tabulate from questions, not sure owners of one head unit will know how the shyte JY units compare to the MTC units.
Perhaps read the wiki and compare against the rubbish Unit you have.

marchnz said:
Perhaps tabulate from questions, not sure owners of one head unit will know how the shyte JY units compare to the MTC units.
Perhaps read the wiki and compare against the rubbish Unit you have.
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Thanks I was looking for a wiki I looked in the wrong section ^^

As I understand it the current market is still Intel vs rockchip.
With RK you're still at px5/px6 which as you say, have really good community support.
Px5 and px6 headunits have come a long way. Boot time is 30 seconds from cold boot and less than one second from standby, which is the default state that the unit goes into when you turn off your car. Power drain in this standby mode is negligible and I've left my car without starting it for 3 weeks in this mode.. car started right up as did the head unit.
Biggest issue with the px6 headunits right now for me is the internet.. basically the WiFi on these units is still crap regardless of the brand you try, no matter what anyone tries to tell you or clever hardware hacks you try.
And if you want a dedicated mobile line you're forced to rely on a 4g dongle or your phones hotspot as the tablets dont support native sim cards.
The 4G dongle solution is also passable at best, after a lot of fiddling and some software level hacks. (See my post about 4g dongles on these units for example)
On the Intel side, there are new airmont based HU (sc9853i) with dsp and native 4G sim card support.
These are pretty good and are quoted to be 30% faster than their px6 counterparts.
In my opinion the biggest issue with these is not the lack of community support but how they fit in cars. Basically where the tablet attaches to the headunit is just a push tab that's not adjustable. Comparing to the px6 counterparts which are usually rotatable or at least adjustable up and down
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...ying-android-8-1-intel-airmont-eight-t3897206
Also worth noting in the px6 world is the new Tesla style headunits. They're a little more expensive but 12.9 inches and seem to have excellent community support with a dedicated, active Facebook page. They seem to still have the PX6 issues with 4G internet though their WiFi antenna doesn't suffer from the same Bluetooth interference that the other units get.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android-auto/android-head-units/tesla-style-headunits-t3512709/amp/
https://m.facebook.com/groups/tesla.style.FW.HU/
For my money, the perfect headunit that I'm holding out for is 12.9 inches with rotatable mount like the Tesla units but using airmont hardware with the native 4G support.
Of course, all of the above is my opinion only gained through my own personal experience with each of these units. Its entirely possible that someone else's experience my contradict mine. Also, the market is vast and I think I did a good job combing it but it's very possible that I missed some other type of headunit. If so I'd love to know so I can see if it fits my needs.
Hope this helps!

homer.ali said:
As I understand it the current market is still Intel vs rockchip.
With RK you're still at px5/px6 which as you say, have really good community support.
Px5 and px6 headunits have come a long way. Boot time is 30 seconds from cold boot and less than one second from standby, which is the default state that the unit goes into when you turn off your car. Power drain in this standby mode is negligible and I've left my car without starting it for 3 weeks in this mode.. car started right up as did the head unit.
Biggest issue with the px6 headunits right now for me is the internet.. basically the WiFi on these units is still crap regardless of the brand you try, no matter what anyone tries to tell you or clever hardware hacks you try.
And if you want a dedicated mobile line you're forced to rely on a 4g dongle or your phones hotspot as the tablets dont support native sim cards.
The 4G dongle solution is also passable at best, after a lot of fiddling and some software level hacks. (See my post about 4g dongles on these units for example)
On the Intel side, there are new airmont based HU (sc9853i) with dsp and native 4G sim card support.
These are pretty good and are quoted to be 30% faster than their px6 counterparts.
In my opinion the biggest issue with these is not the lack of community support but how they fit in cars. Basically where the tablet attaches to the headunit is just a push tab that's not adjustable. Comparing to the px6 counterparts which are usually rotatable or at least adjustable up and down
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...ying-android-8-1-intel-airmont-eight-t3897206
Also worth noting in the px6 world is the new Tesla style headunits. They're a little more expensive but 12.9 inches and seem to have excellent community support with a dedicated, active Facebook page. They seem to still have the PX6 issues with 4G internet though their WiFi antenna doesn't suffer from the same Bluetooth interference that the other units get.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android-auto/android-head-units/tesla-style-headunits-t3512709/amp/
https://m.facebook.com/groups/tesla.style.FW.HU/
For my money, the perfect headunit that I'm holding out for is 12.9 inches with rotatable mount like the Tesla units but using airmont hardware with the native 4G support.
Of course, all of the above is my opinion only gained through my own personal experience with each of these units. Its entirely possible that someone else's experience my contradict mine. Also, the market is vast and I think I did a good job combing it but it's very possible that I missed some other type of headunit. If so I'd love to know so I can see if it fits my needs.
Hope this helps!
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Thanks for the info.
I was looking for Tesla style HU but I think it won't fit in my car and it's quite expensive.
What i'm looking for now it's the dasaita MAX6, which seems to be the best product. I see a lot of other product which correspond for me but i'm quite sceptic about the quality of these and dasaita seems to be a better choice.

General Teyes cc3 or navifly?

Looking to buy one or the other.
Can anyone tell me which one is better to root.
Also I like that navifly has 5g wifi.
I'm rocking a pixel 3.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001652626325.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001948289474.html
Thanks for the help.

They are both FYT based units. Rooting should be 100% identical.
There is no 5g wifi. There is the new 5G mobile network and there is 5 GHz wifi (or 2.4 GHz wifi).
Both do NOT support 5G, and both do have 5 GHz wifi.
Like said: both are produced by FYT including the Android layer and builtin apps. T'eyes and NaviFly are only resellers where T'eyes probably has by far the best support and most probably the better quality control, but is also more expensive.
Those resellers only vary in 2/32GB vs. 4/64GB, DSP or no DSP, STN or IPS or QLED displays, with or without 4G.
Note: the QLED screen is new and theoretically better than IPS (which is again better than STN)

Thank you so much for your help.
I'm still a tad confused though.
It would appear that the navifly supports 5ghz wifi.
And from my understanding using android auto wireless with my pixel 3 needs 5ghz wifi support.
I don't believe the teyes can do this.
Is this correct? Sorry pretty noob here just asking questions.

dillyoee said:
Thank you so much for your help.
I'm still a tad confused though.
It would appear that the navifly supports 5ghz wifi.
And from my understanding using android auto wireless with my pixel 3 needs 5ghz wifi support.
I don't believe the teyes can do this.
Is this correct? Sorry pretty noob here just asking questions.
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Take a look at the Teyes website https://cc3.teyes.ru/
and read the Teyes CC3 topic. All things you ask are mentioned there already in the first post. Do some searching and reading!

surfer63 said:
Take a look at the Teyes website https://cc3.teyes.ru/
and read the Teyes CC3 topic. All things you ask are mentioned there already in the first post. Do some searching and reading!
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Can I use my pixel 3 for android auto wirelessly with both units ?

Is it possible to flash the teyes software on the navifly?

Denzis1 said:
Is it possible to flash the teyes software on the navifly?
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Not right away. The T'eyes firmware comes with builtin registration routines to make sure it is a T'eyes unit. Same for T'eyes voice. They deactivate Google Assistant, but you can only use T'eyes voice if you register with T'eyes. That will not work with a NaviFly.
It requires quite some (illegal) hacking of the firmware.
If you really want to go forward with this you need to follow the 4pda forum threads.

Hmm. I really dig the software. Problem is there is no eu shipping only directly from china or russia.. is it possible to activate google assistant in the software

Denzis1 said:
Hmm. I really dig the software. Problem is there is no eu shipping only directly from china or russia.. is it possible to activate google assistant in the software
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Yes, but it is disabled again on every restart. I used the CC2 software on my Joying sc9853i and enabled GoogleAssistant again (and again and again) using a "boot script" that started with 30 seconds delay. Next to that: all voice "actions" are directed to T'eyes voice which is hugely annoying. Even with GoogleAssistant it is still hugely crippled as T'eyes defaults in everything to T'eyes voice
Also: It is really a demotivation strategy from T'eyes as you can't use any voice software (without hacks), even not T'eyes voice itself, if you did not activate T'eyes voice either. T'eyes is another supplier that does closed-source, protective actions on their hardware. Something many people blamed Fyt/Joying for. T'eyes even takes it a step further. But they do deliver a nicer looking product with good support. And they need to feed their family as well.
So I reflashed my Joying firmware again to my Joying unit.
I use CarWebGuru (paid) as launcher, GorillaSoft folder music player pro for music, Magic Earth (90%) and OsmAnd+ (10%) for navigation, and DAB-Z for (DAB) radio. I hardly even see the other software behind it and even removed some. Why would I install good looking radio, music, video apps if I don't use them anyway. And I don't see added benefit of T'eyes voice over Google Assistant, be it that Google Assistant does not make calls on my Joying unit.
Everyone should decide for him/herself, but don't cripple you unit only for good looks. But that's my point of view and you can decide for yourself.

surfer63 said:
I used the CC2 software on my Joying sc9853i and enabled GoogleAssistant again (and again and again) using a "boot script" that started with 30 seconds delay.
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Hi Surfer, would you mind sharing your boot script, please. I would like to play around with it. I have purchased a Navifly 7862 unit for my Kia Sportage and would like to see what can be achieved.

What are people's thoughts about the Navifly? There is not a lot of discussion about their particular implementation of the 7862 units. I ordered on yesterday and have just been advised that there will be a 12 day delay. This might actually be for the CANBUS rather than the head unit, though.
My car has multiple radio fascia options and only Navifly seem confident that they have my required fascia and their photos seem to show it.
I am curious to know if they cripple Android Assistant like Teyes does. I see you purchase a Navifly voice assistant so I assume that is the case. But that is not a deal breaker for me. I don't use Google Assistant currently.
Should there be a specific thread for the Navifly 7862 to be sure the Teyes thread doesn't get muddled?

@surfer63 compared to the PX5 MTCE i have now, there is equal stability in the basic software (especially google play) and in the management of radio, gps, audio? I am interested in a Navifly 7862 that has an affordable price, in particular I would buy it for the optical and coaxial outputs it has, i want to connect it directly to my Audison AP8.9 . Thanks for answer

ludditefornow said:
I am curious to know if they cripple Android Assistant like Teyes does. I see you purchase a Navifly voice assistant so I assume that is the case. But that is not a deal breaker for me. I don't use Google Assistant currently.
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Yes, they do. It seems to be the new FYT strategy.

bluemask69 said:
@surfer63 compared to the PX5 MTCE i have now, there is equal stability in the basic software (especially google play) and in the management of radio, gps, audio? I am interested in a Navifly 7862 that has an affordable price, in particular I would buy it for the optical and coaxial outputs it has, i want to connect it directly to my Audison AP8.9 . Thanks for answer
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You ask me , but I really don't know what it is compared to an mtce. I don't have an mtce. But I assume the basic software is all equal. Note thhought that until now the RDS-AF does not function correctly on FYT units. I guess the Chinese programmers translated the English specifications incorrectly.
And I am a basic audio listener. My unit is simply connected to my very simple car audio: two front speakers and 2 front tweeters.

is there firmware support from Navifly?
surfer63 said:
You ask me , but I really don't know what it is compared to an mtce. I don't have an mtce. But I assume the basic software is all equal. Note thhought that until now the RDS-AF does not function correctly on FYT units. I guess the Chinese programmers translated the English specifications incorrectly.
And I am a basic audio listener. My unit is simply connected to my very simple car audio: two front speakers and 2 front tweeters.
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Thanks @surfer63...how is the firmware support from Navifly?
Does it release updates of fw and mcu and where is possible to find it?
Do you think it is a reliable radio?

bluemask69 said:
is there firmware support from Navifly?
Does it release updates of fw and mcu and where is possible to find it?
Do you think it is a reliable radio?
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Reliabilty is not the strongest selling point of any of those Chinese units.
I guess they are more or less basically the same for any manufacturer over the several resellers: FYT as manufacturer in this case.
I also guess that the "mini"-assembly the resellers do, like TN/IPS/QLED screens can differ, but not so much.
The greatest difference could be in support: service desk, firmwares, broken parts, etc.
And I really have no clue there about Navifly.
As I don't have a Navifly I did not look at all for their firmware. And for that matter: Neither for firmware from Kingsbeat, Navifly, Zhan, etc.
And when it comes to firmware: All FYT compatibles on the same CPU, with/without DSP, in the same aspect ratio* can, with some tweaks, run each others firmware.
Now with the new models and new firmwares having protection in the apks, coupled to the MCU it gets more difficult.
*: not resolution, but aspect ratio: FYTs screen layouts in the apks are terribly old-fashioned and fixed: 1024x600 / 1280x730 =>16:9; Other layouts like 1280x480 or "Tesla style" really require a different firmware. FYT currently can only accomodate the several resolutions if the screen has the same aspect ratio. That is also one of the reasons the FYT apps themselves do not support split-screen. A feature they so much like to advertize, but doesn't work for their own apps. A few new developed apps do support this finally.

so..i decided to buy this Navifly CC3 HU on Aliexpress, the price is much lower than Teyes CC3 . Navifly ship the CC3 from Germany , Teyes ship only from China ...with customs duties.

bluemask69 said:
so..i decided to buy this Navifly CC3 HU on Aliexpress,
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Nice, I am very happy with mine. The navifly does not seem to have all restrictions that I am hearing from other units. But it does have some restrictions.
From China to Australia, mine landed on business Day 5 or 6.

ludditefornow said:
Nice, I am very happy with mine. The navifly does not seem to have all restrictions that I am hearing from other units. But it does have some restrictions.
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Now, please broaden our knowledge
It would be nice to know what these restrictions are.

Question Are you satisfied with your FYT headunit? Buying advice needed!

After owning multiple rockchip devices (last a PX5 headunit), I'm now in theprocess of buying a new radio.
Initially I wanted to go for a MTCD radio with a PX6 cpu and 4GB of ram, but now also found the FYT devices with UIS7862, 6GB RAM and 128GB ROM.
(Mekede M600s)
And as "more RAM" is always very helpful with Android devices in the long term, I'm interested.
I saw that the community and ROM developement is not as big as for the MTCD devices, but I do not need to have that, if the devices itself are stable/good.
So I wanted to ask you guys, if you are satisfied with your decision and if you would buy it again?
Anything I need to know, coming from a MTCD device?
My main usage would be: Google Maps, Spotify, Bluetooth Connection to my phone for calls, Youtube, so nothing to fancy.

Yes. I've written about this a bunch. Look for my posts
You really don't need a modified "hal/mal" ROM with FYT.
Buggy MTCD is dead, long live MTCD

Very happy with my Navifly 7862 4gb. GPS is terrific and can't recall an unexpected reboot. Radio app is a bit naff but bang for buck, I would do it again in a heartbeat.
Bluetooth to phone is seamless and hotspot from phone via macro works like a charm.
If you are the sort of person who looks to find fault, you probably won't be happy. If you just want a system that works for the most part and you know the interface limitations, you will be fine.

Icefeldt said:
After owning multiple rockchip devices (last a PX5 headunit), I'm now in theprocess of buying a new radio.
Initially I wanted to go for a MTCD radio with a PX6 cpu and 4GB of ram, but now also found the FYT devices with UIS7862, 6GB RAM and 128GB ROM.
(Mekede M600s)
And as "more RAM" is always very helpful with Android devices in the long term, I'm interested.
I saw that the community and ROM developement is not as big as for the MTCD devices, but I do not need to have that, if the devices itself are stable/good.
So I wanted to ask you guys, if you are satisfied with your decision and if you would buy it again?
Anything I need to know, coming from a MTCD device?
My main usage would be: Google Maps, Spotify, Bluetooth Connection to my phone for calls, Youtube, so nothing to fancy.
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I've been kind of keeping my eye on this too, but so far (to me anyway) it looks like
"same sh*t, different pile".
Meanwhile I was pleasantly surprised in my shift from px5 to px6. Px6 seems to be a fairly large upgrade as compared to px5.... runs smoother with a lot fewer bugs. Bluetooth is still a problem when trying to connect devices other than phone though
For me, I have a lot of gadgets connected to my system (tv, front cam, rear cam, dash cam, siriusXM tuner, OBD bluetooth adapter, OBD USB adapter...etc), and I find FYT is more restrictive and locked up when it comes to connecting all these peripherals. That was the make/break for me and is what made me decide to stick with mtcd

Bob_Sanders said:
I've been kind of keeping my eye on this too, but so far (to me anyway) it looks like
"same sh*t, different pile".
Meanwhile I was pleasantly surprised in my shift from px5 to px6. Px6 seems to be a fairly large upgrade as compared to px5.... runs smoother with a lot fewer bugs. Bluetooth is still a problem when trying to connect devices other than phone though
For me, I have a lot of gadgets connected to my system (tv, front cam, rear cam, dash cam, siriusXM tuner, OBD bluetooth adapter, OBD USB adapter...etc), and I find FYT is more restrictive and locked up when it comes to connecting all these peripherals. That was the make/break for me and is what made me decide to stick with mtcd
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I respectfully disagree. Ex. MTCD hardware developer here.
Context is everything.
What FYT processor/MCU did you compare.
I have the opposite experience and find my 7862UIS/MCU 53 = YIN far superior and without any of the issues you mention.
On my FYT platform, it is FAR less restrictive. The bonus is the processor is superior and has 4g built in!
Then there is the audio quality, my FYT is simply amazing.
Back to MTCx, isn't it the reason so many mods / modded ROMs exist - again with their horrible problems and daily reports of issues - for the MTCx platform, to fix bugs and get around restrictions. But don't take my work for it, read the MTCD forums and compare.

marchnz said:
I respectfully disagree. Ex. MTCD hardware developer here.
Context is everything.
What FYT processor/MCU did you compare.
I have the opposite experience and find my 7862UIS/MCU 53 = YIN far superior and without any of the issues you mention.
On my FYT platform, it is FAR less restrictive. The bonus is the processor is superior and has 4g built in!
Then there is the audio quality, my FYT is simply amazing.
Back to MTCx, isn't it the reason so many mods / modded ROMs exist - again with their horrible problems and daily reports of issues - for the MTCx platform, to fix bugs and get around restrictions. But don't take my work for it, read the MTCD forums and compare.
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Yeah, Thanks.
I read your other thread on your switch-over from mtcd with great interest. The problem I'm having is that you jumped ship at the PX5 level. I on the other hand went on to px6 from the px5, and there is no comparison between the two (both were Dasaita). The px6 is light-years ahead of the px5 both in terms of speed and stability. I used to have to do full reboots on the PX5 pretty much weekly to clear up the bugs. With the PX6 I have had to reboot maybe twice in the last 6 months.
I think to sum it up best, comparing the px5 to the px6 is about the same as comparing a 1960's black and white tv to a 60 inch lcd tv of today.
And with Dasaita in particular, the choice of input/output ability simply can not be beat. I have not seen another head unit which supplies the number of input/output jacks and plugs that Dasiata does.
Dedicated inputs for tpms, dash cam, front cam, and TV so I don't have to use up my USB slots. It also has dual subwoofer outputs so I don't have to weaken the signal with a Y splitter for my dual amps.
Now that being said, the new FYT machines do seem to have a slightly brighter screen which is always welcomed, and some also have digital audio outputs but that's not really something I would ever use.

Bob_Sanders said:
Yeah, Thanks.
I read your other thread on your switch-over from mtcd with great interest. The problem I'm having is that you jumped ship at the PX5 level. I on the other hand went on to px6 from the px5, and there is no comparison between the two (both were Dasaita). The px6 is light-years ahead of the px5 both in terms of speed and stability. I used to have to do full reboots on the PX5 pretty much weekly to clear up the bugs. With the PX6 I have had to reboot maybe twice in the last 6 months.
I think to sum it up best, comparing the px5 to the px6 is about the same as comparing a 1960's black and white tv to a 60 inch lcd tv of today.
And with Dasaita in particular, the choice of input/output ability simply can not be beat. I have not seen another head unit which supplies the number of input/output jacks and plugs that Dasiata does.
Dedicated inputs for tpms, dash cam, front cam, and TV so I don't have to use up my USB slots. It also has dual subwoofer outputs so I don't have to weaken the signal with a Y splitter for my dual amps.
Now that being said, the new FYT machines do seem to have a slightly brighter screen which is always welcomed, and some also have digital audio outputs but that's not really something I would ever use.
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Youll find exactly the same input wise and more on the FYT platform.

marchnz said:
Youll find exactly the same input wise and more on the FYT platform.
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Not on Joying or navifly. I looked. Maybe I'm missing these inputs?
Here's Dasaita..... a second DEDICATED plug set for
DVR (C)
TV (E)
TPMS (H)
Dual sub outputs (A)
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Bob_Sanders said:
Not on Joying or navifly. I looked. Maybe I'm missing these inputs?
Here's Dasaita..... a second DEDICATED plug set for
DVR (C)
TV (E)
TPMS (H)
Dual sub outputs (A)
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Look a little more on the latest FYT platform models.
All of these inputs are present or catered for with USB or AUX inputs, TPMS is USB for instance.
Also, FYT feature an optical out, which MTCx does not have.
You still haven't said what FYT you owned, context/specifics is really important.
The point is, the newer FYT units blow the MTCx units away in nearly every aspect, especially sound, while providing for the same features and more than the MTCx platform.

marchnz said:
Look a little more on the latest FYT platform models.
All of these inputs are present or catered for with USB or AUX inputs, TPMS is USB for instance.
Also, FYT feature an optical out, which MTCx does not have.
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Well... that's exactly what I am saying. Because of the dedicated inputs I don't have to use up my USB inputs, or my AUX inputs. I can use those for other things (which I do). Also, the supplied software is completely built around those inputs. The software knows exactly where to go. The TV module for example is automatically turned on/off, and tuned up when I bring up the TV app. It all operates in one smooth motion. The FYT units are just plain lacking in this respect.
As for the digital outputs... if you are going to go digital you need high quality dacs... and I wouldn't exactly call the electronics inside these machines... "high quality"
You still haven't said what FYT you owned, context/specifics is really important.
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I haven't owned one.... but that's my point with your argument... you haven't owned a PX6. You are comparing PX5 technology to the FYT. A cardboard box probably has higher quality and better sound than the PX5.
I have looked at FYT and the lack of input/output ability is the dealbreaker for me. To me these things aren't just Head units. They are central control centers... or at least that's what I bank on them for. If I was looking for a typical head unit I would go with Pioneer or Kenwood.

Bob_Sanders said:
Well... that's exactly what I am saying. Because of the dedicated inputs I don't have to use up my USB inputs, or my AUX inputs. I can use those for other things (which I do). Also, the supplied software is completely built around those inputs. The software knows exactly where to go. The TV module for example is automatically turned on/off, and tuned up when I bring up the TV app. It all operates in one smooth motion. The FYT units are just plain lacking in this respect.
As for the digital outputs... if you are going to go digital you need high quality dacs... and I wouldn't exactly call the electronics inside these machines... "high quality"
I haven't owned one.... but that's my point with your argument... you haven't owned a PX6. You are comparing PX5 technology to the FYT. A cardboard box probably has higher quality and better sound than the PX5.
I have looked at FYT and the lack of input/output ability is the dealbreaker for me. To me these things aren't just Head units. They are central control centers... or at least that's what I bank on them for. If I was looking for a typical head unit I would go with Pioneer or Kenwood.
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I think I was highly skeptical like you initially, the chinese origin headunits appear to be largely copies and reuse, with little improvements between generations. I was surprised at just how good, at least my unit is.
Disappointing you couldn't find an FYT unit that meets your needs, they really are great.
At least the FYT unit I have, which is an YIN 53 / Mekede has inputs you mention. It's also listed on the schematic diagram obtained from 4pda.
Regarding the optical output, consider optical provides a multichannel noise immune method to connect a power amp via a single "cable."
Don't forget the MCUs on the MTCx platform are the same between processors, also bugs are widely reported in the MTCD forums, including PX6.
Maybe we agree to disagree.

marchnz said:
Disappointing you couldn't find an FYT unit that meets your needs, they really are great.
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Disappointing to this point anyway.... they'll probably come around though in time.

I have owned several Joying units over the last 5 years or so, with generally good experiences. Last July/Aug I installed an SC 9853i in my Kluger/Highlander.
Recently a couple of things have gone pear shaped.
1) The google play store needs "uninstall updates" to function (had this with the older devices as well)
2) Waze and google maps are "freezing" sometimes very quickly sometimes after an hour.
3) The built in 4G has disappeared and I now only get 3G/H+ (this is subsequent a firmware update, which installed older modem firmware)
I have been unable to resolve these issues with Joying unfortunately.
They (Joying) were very good in the past sending me a new unit when the screen got a white ring around it, but really have had no luck with them resolving these issues.
I would probably buy a new device off them, but not the same device, the only problem is their website doesn't really have detailed enough information to make an assessment/comparison of the underlying hardware in each of their different models.

Found yet another reason to buy an FYT 7862UIS unit - Bluetooth Low Energy support.
My unit seamlessly connects to my Valentine One gen 2 radar locator. Every time. No hiccups, or pairing required.

dbmgreen said:
I have been unable to resolve these issues with Joying unfortunately.
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Sorry for going slightly off thread topic...
Did you try a reset? and then a firmware reload/update?
I had your first problem until I wiped the system and flashed the latest firmware (which was the same)
The apps freezing might indicate a temperature issue. See if it runs warm/hot?
I never used the 3g 4g module since I hotspot.

Icefeldt said:
if you are satisfied with your decision and if you would buy it again?
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Yea. I'm on my 2nd joying for my 2010 Rav4. I highly recommend getting one with buttons/knobs. Its very annoying to change volume by screen touching (even if you have steering controls). It seems the devices go thru these rounds of improvement that go like
Version 1 : great new screen, no buttons, no knobs
Version 2 : same new screen, touch buttons
Version 3 : same new screen, knobs and actual buttons
My only gripe is lack of customization of radio app, and the icons on the launcher have stupid large borders (wish the app icon was simply displayed)
I think they are coming out with a whole new ui

forgivegod said:
Sorry for going slightly off thread topic...
Did you try a reset? and then a firmware reload/update?
I had your first problem until I wiped the system and flashed the latest firmware (which was the same)
The apps freezing might indicate a temperature issue. See if it runs warm/hot?
I never used the 3g 4g module since I hotspot.
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Nah all good, have reset a number of times, and reloaded every version of firmware available to me. I only got the device in 2020 AUG, I feel like it may have had slightly different firmware on it (to what is available for download) based on the screenshots I sent to Joying when I was initially trying to troubleshoot. Yes even wiped completely twip_all.
I think its is running hot 70-90 degrees but this is a recent problem, it ran fine for 12 months.
We use (did use) 4G module for a hotspot in the car for all the passengers, it had worked seamlessly up until joying sent me their firmware
I wish I could identify what model they are selling for the 2018 Highlander, I would just buy a new one. I do like their product, and I'm currently 1 of three dodgy products with no resolution --- Chinese vendors

marchnz said:
Found yet another reason to buy an FYT 7862UIS unit - Bluetooth Low Energy support.
My unit seamlessly connects to my Valentine One gen 2 radar locator. Every time. No hiccups, or pairing required.
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What "brand" are you looking at

dbmgreen said:
What "brand" are you looking at
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ro.build.fytmanufacturer=116
MCU = NOR
Seller was Mekede. There is no "brand" on Android head units, only factory. You would be taking a gamble buying from any seller without asking for screenshots of the system info, they might ship a unit from any number of factories and therefore variants.

Question to the Joying owners in here ... Some people were complaining about the old Intel-based chip units from Joying having buggy firmware, I haven't really read this about the new UIS-based units. Did you notice noteworthy bootloops, bugs etc.?

Head Unit Recommendation

Hey there!
I'm new to the Topic of Android Head Units, and currently looking to get one for my Kia Ceed SW from 2007 which doesn't even have Bluetooth right now, so i'm looking for some help here. My Budget is around 200-350€ max. and i'd like to get something which would work with my steering wheel buttons. I thought about getting a 7" Unit because i'm not sure if 10" would fit. Shipping from germany would be a + for me, so i don't have to wait long.
I thought about getting an RX6 so i could use the Hal9k stuff, because it looks nice, and i like switching firmwares from time to time. But at the moment everythings still completely open. Every opinion would be greatly apreciated.
Thanks in Advance,
Tho

Do consider a uis7862 FYT (e.g. as sold by navifly/mekede, not endorsing either) they are miles better than the MTCD based units while cheaper than even the most overpriced Dasaita MTCD. A bonus is they sound significantly better too.
You won't regret it, it's the software and the hardware improvements that make a huge difference.
Join us here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...unisoc-ums512-q-a-mods-tips-firmware.4396339/

marchnz said:
Do consider a uis7862 FYT (e.g. as sold by navifly/mekede, not endorsing either) they are miles better than the MTCD based units while cheaper than even the most overpriced Dasaita MTCD. A bonus is they sound significantly better too.
You won't regret it, it's the software and the hardware improvements that make a huge difference.
Join us here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...unisoc-ums512-q-a-mods-tips-firmware.4396339/
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Hey there! Okay, sounds good. But where would i get a unit like that? I think all the ones from Amazon are MTCx ones.
Edit: I did some googleing and the ones from www.joyingauto.eu are not really declared which board it is. Or am i doing something wrong?