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It really doesn't matter what type of outstanding specs these guys put in the upcoming android phones, Apple's Iphone is the number one phone out there. These manufacturers have forgotten that it was Apple that brought the price of smartphones down drastically. You don't beat the number one product on the market by charging MORE for your product.
Now that Apple is on multiple carriers, Android cannot afford to make such critical mistakes. The recently announced prices on upcoming android devices have made me wait for news on the IPHONE 5. I will pay MORE for the number one phone, but damned if I'm going to pay MORE for a phone that doesn't even receive updates till the next model.
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one...
Yet you come here claiming that the Iphone 4 or yet to be release Iphone 5 is "the number one phone", by who's standard? Sales? Yes, Apple has an outstanding marketing department.
I agree the Iphone "can" be a great phone, once it is jailbroken... But the proprietary of the device will turn others away in these forum. You know your in an Android forum right? Get prepared to be flamed.
I am glad the Iphone is doing well, and I am glad the Iphone is no longer exclusive only to AT$T. Which in turn for us is a great thing. You will see in the upcoming months what Android smartphone has to offer. You'll end up having buyers remorse.
Personally I think you came in trolling and to see what kind of response (negative) you can get. Sad...
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Personally I think you came in trolling and to see what kind of response (negative) you can get. Sad...
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I think ya pretty much nailed it X..
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Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one...
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lmao! XD
anyways, i personally think the quality of apps in apple are way better than in android....but ther's way more customisation in android.....i am a rom-ohlic myself....flash new roms like everyday....android community is way better
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It really doesn't matter what type of outstanding specs these guys put in the upcoming android phones, Apple's Iphone is the number one phone out there. These manufacturers have forgotten that it was Apple that brought the price of smartphones down drastically. You don't beat the number one product on the market by charging MORE for your product.
Now that Apple is on multiple carriers, Android cannot afford to make such critical mistakes. The recently announced prices on upcoming android devices have made me wait for news on the IPHONE 5. I will pay MORE for the number one phone, but damned if I'm going to pay MORE for a phone that doesn't even receive updates till the next model.
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Besides trolling, what are you talking about?
Enjoy being locked into the Apple way and the constant cycle of not updating as you wait for jailbreaks.
And Apple never brought the price of Smartphones down... $199 on contract was the standard price for WinMo phones long before Apple. And they had expandable memory and removable batteries.
I would or could not ever go back to an iphone after owning a quality android phone. There really is no comparison in user experience
Trolling? No way! As I stated in a previous post, my captivate made me return my iPhone 4 TWICE. Actually, my captivate enables me to wait for the iPhone 5 to release, I don't need another phone right now.
I meant that the iPhone 4 is the number one SELLING phone out there. Excuse me for sounding like an Apple fanboy.
Yet, the fact remains, higher priced android devices will help sell more Apple devices.
Correction, my captivate on Cognition 3.04 enables me to wait till summer. I jailbreak iPhones and I flash roms, I'm not a total noob at this.
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Lets wait and see how they "change everything" without making a meaningful change of anything
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Trolling? No way! As I stated in a previous post, my captivate made me return my iPhone 4 TWICE. Actually, my captivate enables me to wait for the iPhone 5 to release, I don't need another phone right now.
I meant that the iPhone 4 is the number one SELLING phone out there. Excuse me for sounding like an Apple fanboy.
Yet, the fact remains, higher priced android devices will help sell more Apple devices.
Correction, my captivate on Cognition 3.04 enables me to wait till summer. I jailbreak iPhones and I flash roms, I'm not a total noob at this.
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You may not be a noob from a tech standpoint but you are from a business aspect. The iPhone outsells because of image. People are sheep - they want something that is spun in a certain way - Apple does the marketing for the one phone product they offer. Android doesn't have that luxury - it has 20 different manufacturers so there is not ONE Android phone to compare to the iPhone.
People buy iPhones because they see ads for one appstore, for one company, etc. it is simple and fits the simple mind. Price has NOTHING to do with it. If it did, no one would buy the higher capacity iPhones. Look at all the people that waited in line to buy the first iPhone - no product reviews, and no subsidy.... where is the price theory there? They buy them today on eBay for $800 - not rational - but supply and demand dictates - along with perception and the idea of being a sheep.
Just like the new commercial knocking Toyota... anyone that has driven a Camry knows that it is a plain boring car - it gets the job done though - but why does everyone buy it when there are better values? Sheep.
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You may not be a noob from a tech standpoint but you are from a business aspect. The iPhone outsells because of image. People are sheep - they want something that is spun in a certain way - Apple does the marketing for the one phone product they offer. Android doesn't have that luxury - it has 20 different manufacturers so there is not ONE Android phone to compare to the iPhone.
People buy iPhones because they see ads for one appstore, for one company, etc. it is simple and fits the simple mind. Price has NOTHING to do with it. If it did, no one would buy the higher capacity iPhones. Look at all the people that waited in line to buy the first iPhone - no product reviews, and no subsidy.... where is the price theory there? They buy them today on eBay for $800 - not rational - but supply and demand dictates - along with perception and the idea of being a sheep.
Just like the new commercial knocking Toyota... anyone that has driven a Camry knows that it is a plain boring car - it gets the job done though - but why does everyone buy it when there are better values? Sheep.
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I agree wholeheartedly.
I think in the coming years we'll see the iphone go the way of the blackberry regardless of its lemming followers. Apple is constantly introducing new OS versions with hardly barely any significant feature changes. When multitasking was introduced, it absolutely destroyed any hint of speed on the iphone 3g. Yet, we've been multitasking with android since introduction on hardware that is just slightly faster.
With every Apple update, the older devices get slower, yet with every android update, devices that can run the update become faster, and more responsive.
Dell2,
In order for Apple to catch back up to Android in terms of innovation and feature-richness, they will have to heavily modify their OS, which in turn will force them to significantly update their hardware. If this happens (or rather, when Steve Jobs stops gracing California's judicial system with his presence every time somebody pulls the same **** on him that he pulled on IBM, and actually gets back to creating new product ideas) you will watch the price of the iphone skyrocket past the Android. When this happens, you will watch sales decline and Apple will drop out of the phone business.
Truth be known, aside from everything that Alphadog has said, the only other reason the iphone made it to 4 is because every electronics manufacturer and their mom started making their products with a proprietary Apple connector. Imagine if they hired a linux guy and started making them with MicroUSB?
oh and for the record I absolutely loathe everything about i(can'tstarthalfthetimeona64bitmachinesofuckloadingyourmusic)tunes.
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I agree wholeheartedly.
I think in the coming years we'll see the iphone go the way of the blackberry regardless of its lemming followers. Apple is constantly introducing new OS versions with hardly barely any significant feature changes. When multitasking was introduced, it absolutely destroyed any hint of speed on the iphone 3g. Yet, we've been multitasking with android since introduction on hardware that is just slightly faster.
With every Apple update, the older devices get slower, yet with every android update, devices that can run the update become faster, and more responsive.
Dell2,
In order for Apple to catch back up to Android in terms of innovation and feature-richness, they will have to heavily modify their OS, which in turn will force them to significantly update their hardware. If this happens (or rather, when Steve Jobs stops gracing California's judicial system with his presence every time somebody pulls the same **** on him that he pulled on IBM, and actually gets back to creating new product ideas) you will watch the price of the iphone skyrocket past the Android. When this happens, you will watch sales decline and Apple will drop out of the phone business.
Truth be known, aside from everything that Alphadog has said, the only other reason the iphone made it to 4 is because every electronics manufacturer and their mom started making their products with a proprietary Apple connector. Imagine if they hired a linux guy and started making them with MicroUSB?
oh and for the record I absolutely loathe everything about i(can'tstarthalfthetimeona64bitmachinesofuckloadingyourmusic)tunes.
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I feel ya on the last line. I think it spends too much time reporting back to steve jobs I have a droidx than an iphone. Sheep just plain sheep.
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Prices of phones outright from Rogers
Iphone 4 16gb- $649
Captivate- $549
X10- $549
Prices of phones on 3 yr contract from Rogers
Iphone4 16gb- $159
Captivate- $99.99
X10- $49.99
How exactly is android powered phones more expensive than the iphone?
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the iOS isn't even the world's leading smartphone platform...I don't think it's ever beaten symbian. android, however, has passed symbian and is now the leading platform.
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You also have to take into account that the iphone is the only phone with ios where as android had dozens of phones. allowing people to pick what works best
Customization > conformity
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With every Apple update, the older devices get slower, yet with every android update, devices that can run the update become faster, and more responsive.
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Unless you own a Cliq XT...
Im waiting for the iphone 5 myself; I have the captivate rooted abd I love it, but I find myself getting bored with the operating system itself; I need something different you know?
I have had the phone since... spetember I think and I love it, but I just use it all of the time and I get a little bored.
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FLAC Vest said:
Im waiting for the iphone 5 myself; I have the captivate rooted abd I love it, but I find myself getting bored with the operating system itself; I need something different you know?
I have had the phone since... spetember I think and I love it, but I just use it all of the time and I get a little bored.
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If you a bored with android you will commit suicide with ios
Sales numbers don't make something better lol microsoft os's are not better than apple os's but out sell them and are the most sold os out there. Not to mention iphone gained popularity way before google released android and just has a huge fan base, plus popularity of the ipod helped out a lot to.
Don't get wrong I'm not bashing the iphone it definitely has a place in the market for people , old people who can't figure stuff out , middle age people who can't figure stuff out , teens cause they have to have what there friends have and noobs in general lol
Open source never gains the popularity that the big company's gain ( Linux for example ) but all power users will tell you the same thing and if you don't know what that is then you definitely belong with your iphone
And for those who get bored with Android, what the hell are you gonna do on an iphone , jail break it lol , get real lol
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Amen to that!!!!!
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I'm sorry but.......
"Shipments of Android-based phones reached 32.9 million in the fourth quarter, while Nokia sold 31 million Symbian phones worldwide. Apple was third, shipping 16.2 million iPhones, while Research In Motion (RIM) sold 14.2 million BlackBerrys. Nokia held on to its lead in global market share with 28 percent
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/01/android-becomes-top-selling-smartphone-platform-worldwide/#ixzz1DJqwKjuR"
With all the bull**** Apple is saying they have patented that Android is copying (such as slide to unlock), I've been thinking... Wouldn't it be great if all Android devices moved to edge-to-edge displays then claimed ownership when Apple ends up doing the same thing?
For that matter, if Android gets rid of physical buttons before Apple there's another thing Android can claim. With Android devices being released all year and Apple devices once annually, Android should start hitting all of the hardware innovations at least 1 quarter before Apple and it will start to appear that Apple is copying Android and EVERYTHING that iOS 5 does is copied is already in use by either Android and/or Windows mobile (you know it's bad when Windows Mobile does something before you).
I'm not really an Apply or Android fanboi. I liked Apple when it offered a superior product and now I like Android because it offers a superior product. I'm an economist-to-be and I hate the monopolization of information. Classic case of humanity holding back humanity. If the last decade has taught us anything it should be that open-source beats EVERYTHING (... eventually... if people like the initial product) Because no company can compete with the entire world being your potential developers.
And yeah, Samsung OBVIOUSLY copies the iPhone. BUT the operating system is superior and that's what people want. The quality of an iPhone hardware (minus ****ty antennas of course) with the freedom of Android.
Apple needs to allow developers the freedom that Android allows and I prey to god that that is why they are hiring all the jailbreakers/jailbreak app developers... because the best thing in the world for Android is a better iPhone.
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With all the bull**** Apple is saying they have patented that Android is copying (such as slide to unlock), I've been thinking... Wouldn't it be great if all Android devices moved to edge-to-edge displays then claimed ownership when Apple ends up doing the same thing?
For that matter, if Android gets rid of physical buttons before Apple there's another thing Android can claim. With Android devices being released all year and Apple devices once annually, Android should start hitting all of the hardware innovations at least 1 quarter before Apple and it will start to appear that Apple is copying Android and EVERYTHING that iOS 5 does is copied is already in use by either Android and/or Windows mobile (you know it's bad when Windows Mobile does something before you).
I'm not really an Apply or Android fanboi. I liked Apple when it offered a superior product and now I like Android because it offers a superior product. I'm an economist-to-be and I hate the monopolization of information. Classic case of humanity holding back humanity. If the last decade has taught us anything it should be that open-source beats EVERYTHING (... eventually... if people like the initial product) Because no company can compete with the entire world being your potential developers.
And yeah, Samsung OBVIOUSLY copies the iPhone. BUT the operating system is superior and that's what people want. The quality of an iPhone hardware (minus ****ty antennas of course) with the freedom of Android.
Apple needs to allow developers the freedom that Android allows and I prey to god that that is why they are hiring all the jailbreakers/jailbreak app developers... because the best thing in the world for Android is a better iPhone.
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That's not true. I own a Samsung phone and other Samsung media devices and from my experience, Samsung doesn't know the first thing about software creation. My Infuse is a joke for reliability and functionality. My P3 and other Samsung MP3 players are horrendous for the UI. My Infuse, though, has been the buggiest and most unreliable smartphone I've owned since my Palm Treo 680.
I have a lot of electronic gadgets, several smartphones among them, and the iPhone 4 has been the most reliable and trouble-free smartphone I've ever owned. It's boring as hell, but it is reliable and the OS is superb.
As far as Apple copying others...are you saying that if a company copied Apple for many years and then Apple implements a feature similar to the company that has been copying Apple and infringing Apple's patents, it's unfair? Where, then, was the the unfairness when the other companies were copying Apple?
By the way, if Samsung wants to put out software as lousy as they are with their Smartphones, I hope Apple does stop them...throughout the world. Samsung's software is second to none for being horrible. Let Apple do us all a favor and put an end to their smartphones until Samsung gets off its high-horse and acknowledges how horrible their software is and then does something effective about remedying it.
What do you mean by the best thing in the world for android is a better iphone?
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What do you mean by the best thing in the world for android is a better iphone?
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Competition breeds innovation. For example, there are plenty of apps that get made for iPhone that are eventually ported over to Android.
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That's not true. I own a Samsung phone and other Samsung media devices and from my experience, Samsung doesn't know the first thing about software creation. My Infuse is a joke for reliability and functionality. My P3 and other Samsung MP3 players are horrendous for the UI. My Infuse, though, has been the buggiest and most unreliable smartphone I've owned since my Palm Treo 680.
I have a lot of electronic gadgets, several smartphones among them, and the iPhone 4 has been the most reliable and trouble-free smartphone I've ever owned. It's boring as hell, but it is reliable and the OS is superb.
As far as Apple copying others...are you saying that if a company copied Apple for many years and then Apple implements a feature similar to the company that has been copying Apple and infringing Apple's patents, it's unfair? Where, then, was the the unfairness when the other companies were copying Apple?
By the way, if Samsung wants to put out software as lousy as they are with their Smartphones, I hope Apple does stop them...throughout the world. Samsung's software is second to none for being horrible. Let Apple do us all a favor and put an end to their smartphones until Samsung gets off its high-horse and acknowledges how horrible their software is and then does something effective about remedying it.
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1) I guess I don't care about sense or touchwiz or motoblur ect. it doesn't matter because with Android I have the freedom to remove it.
2) All Apple has ever done is copy others and clean it up. I guess you can all that innovation if you like and I won't argue. I'm saying that patents in general are bad for innovation and in general it's better for consumers if company A copies all the the things that company B does right and tries to fix all the the things that company B does wrong. That is evolution. I don't think evolution should be illegal. And assuming that Apple hardware and software are better than Samsung's and the phones are priced similarly a rational consumer would never purchase a Samsung phone, and that obviously isn't the case.
Aside from that, I'm 100% sure that Apple infringes upon patents held by numerous other companies. All large corporations do. Most don't go suing everyone when it happens. If Apple thinks they are so much better than Android then just one up Android at every turn and they will always hold more market share.
3) If Samsung is truly that horrible then Apple shouldn't have to sue them. No one would buy their products and they will go out of business.
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That's not true. I own a Samsung phone and other Samsung media devices and from my experience, Samsung doesn't know the first thing about software creation. My Infuse is a joke for reliability and functionality. My P3 and other Samsung MP3 players are horrendous for the UI. My Infuse, though, has been the buggiest and most unreliable smartphone I've owned since my Palm Treo 680.
I have a lot of electronic gadgets, several smartphones among them, and the iPhone 4 has been the most reliable and trouble-free smartphone I've ever owned. It's boring as hell, but it is reliable and the OS is superb.
As far as Apple copying others...are you saying that if a company copied Apple for many years and then Apple implements a feature similar to the company that has been copying Apple and infringing Apple's patents, it's unfair? Where, then, was the the unfairness when the other companies were copying Apple?
By the way, if Samsung wants to put out software as lousy as they are with their Smartphones, I hope Apple does stop them...throughout the world. Samsung's software is second to none for being horrible. Let Apple do us all a favor and put an end to their smartphones until Samsung gets off its high-horse and acknowledges how horrible their software is and then does something effective about remedying it.
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You forget most of us really do not care about the "retail software" in the phone. All the phones that are sold IMHO have real crap for their oem software. That is why we are here. As far as phones go My Galaxy phone has been beyond great in so many ways and is hands down so much better than the Iphone and its ios. People forget that the Galaxy phone was released at the same time of the Iphone 3 and it still outperforms the Iphone 4. So to me, hardware that provides that longevity and flexibility is quite notable
And I love iPhone for reliability just as Apple users love Macs for reliability. I don't care so much for reliability anymore. I care about flexibility & freedom. I don't like that access to 90% of my iPhone is locked off. I don't like a boring screen full of little squares. I'm glad that Apple exists for those people who use to get Viruses once a week on their PCs, I don't plan to ever get a virus on my PC and if I do I know how to fix it. Just like my phone, I know Android takes time to tweak but I like the option to put 1000 hours into my phone to make it what I want it to be but that isn't the point of this thread really. I'm just thinking that two years from now Android will hold all the patents and Apple will regret this petty bull****.
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1) I guess I don't care about sense or touchwiz or motoblur ect. it doesn't matter because with Android I have the freedom to remove it.
2) All Apple has ever done is copy others and clean it up. I guess you can all that innovation if you like and I won't argue. I'm saying that patents in general are bad for innovation and in general it's better for consumers if company A copies all the the things that company B does right and tries to fix all the the things that company B does wrong. That is evolution. I don't think evolution should be illegal. And assuming that Apple hardware and software are better than Samsung's and the phones are priced similarly a rational consumer would never purchase a Samsung phone, and that obviously isn't the case.
Aside from that, I'm 100% sure that Apple infringes upon patents held by numerous other companies. All large corporations do. Most don't go suing everyone when it happens. If Apple thinks they are so much better than Android then just one up Android at every turn and they will always hold more market share.
3) If Samsung is truly that horrible then Apple shouldn't have to sue them. No one would buy their products and they will go out of business.
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Name the things Apple has copied. But don't include the iOS5 notification bar.
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You forget most of us really do not care about the "retail software" in the phone. All the phones that are sold IMHO have real crap for their oem software. That is why we are here. As far as phones go My Galaxy phone has been beyond great in so many ways and is hands down so much better than the Iphone and its ios. People forget that the Galaxy phone was released at the same time of the Iphone 3 and it still outperforms the Iphone 4. So to me, hardware that provides that longevity and flexibility is quite notable
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Not true. My Inspire has outstanding stock ROM. My Focus is perfection...stock. My iPhone is also perfection...stock. The Nexus S I had was excellent. If my Infuse was excellent, I would say so. But it isn't. It's the only phone I've had since my Treo 680 that has been unreliable and troublesome. And I see reports from other users who say their Samsung phones are the worst they ever had.
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Not true. My Inspire has outstanding stock ROM. My Focus is perfection...stock. My iPhone is also perfection...stock. The Nexus S I had was excellent. If my Infuse was excellent, I would say so. But it isn't. It's the only phone I've had since my Treo 680 that has been unreliable and troublesome. And I see reports from other users who say their Samsung phones are the worst they ever had.
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And at least Android offers choices... Many people around here love pure Android and that's fine but I'm glad I have at least 3-5 flavors of Android. Even if I never use more than one of them.
As far as Samsung's phones go. Some say they are the best and others say they are the worst but at least with Android if I don't like Samsung I have alternatives... I don't care for Sense but I'm amazed at how many people I meet who refuse to buy anything but HTC for Sense.
Symbian ftw! Haha.
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Name the things Apple has copied. But don't include the iOS5 notification bar.
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Android
1) Notifications bar
2) Wireless syncing
3) Tabbed browsing
4) Split keyboard
5) Opening apps from the lock screen
6) Air Updates
7) Finally have some half ass widgets in the dropdown menu
8) drop down menu
Blackberry
1) iMessage is completely jacked from blackberry
Windows Mobile
1) Auto upload pictures to facebook/twitter in camera app
And really? Aside from those features, WTF is in iOS 5? They haven't done ANYTHING innovative. And I was planning to get an iPhone 5 all year because I expected them to take everything from Android AND expand and they didn't. They played it safe. And on top of that they have numerous updates all year and ALL they really do is annoy jail breakers.
One could argue that they have all these outdated features being added because they only really expand features once a year, and that may be a great argument but to me it's just another reason to be pissed off at Apple.
"If Apple was honorable... -- not going ballistic over generic features that everyone shares -- no one would bat an eye. But Apple is still the biggest kid in the sandbox, and when it wants to take its ball and go home, it does so with a big public show[,but] Apple running off with someone else's ball isn't a problem at all." - Mike Schuster http://www.minyanville.com/dailyfeed/2011/06/07/apples-ios-5-directly-lifts/
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Android
1) Notifications bar
2) Wireless syncing
3) Tabbed browsing
4) Split keyboard
5) Opening apps from the lock screen
6) Air Updates
7) Finally have some half ass widgets in the dropdown menu
8) drop down menu
Blackberry
1) iMessage is completely jacked from blackberry
Windows Mobile
1) Auto upload pictures to facebook/twitter in camera app
And really? Aside from those features, WTF is in iOS 5? They haven't done ANYTHING innovative. And I was planning to get an iPhone 5 all year because I expected them to take everything from Android AND expand and they didn't. They played it safe. And on top of that they have numerous updates all year and ALL they really do is annoy jail breakers.
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Uhh...iOS5 isn't out yet. What exactly has Apple copied...in the past...like people are ranting about? Android and others have been copying Apple for years. What's the deal?
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Uhh...iOS5 isn't out yet. What exactly has Apple copied...in the past...like people are ranting about? Android and others have been copying Apple for years. What's the deal?
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No one would care if iOS copied Android because as you said many things are copied between the two platforms. The difference being that google/android/samsung/HTC/motorola don't cry and sue for every little tiny aspect of iOS that was copied off of Android. Even Apple fans that I know are sick of how Apple is acting. It's no way to conduct yourself as a leading company in your field.
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Not true. My Inspire has outstanding stock ROM. My Focus is perfection...stock. My iPhone is also perfection...stock. The Nexus S I had was excellent. If my Infuse was excellent, I would say so. But it isn't. It's the only phone I've had since my Treo 680 that has been unreliable and troublesome. And I see reports from other users who say their Samsung phones are the worst they ever had.
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Lot of your infuse rants should be directed towards AT&T. AT&T has ruined just about every stock rom there is in existence.
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Uhh...iOS5 isn't out yet. What exactly has Apple copied...in the past...like people are ranting about? Android and others have been copying Apple for years. What's the deal?
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Well Apple said that Samsung copied their iPad design and there were dozens of tablets YEARS before the iPad with the exact same design. No one sued Apple for using a design already used in the past because it's expected in the industry. A tablet is merely a laptop without a keyboard.
The slide to unlock existed before the iPhone but Apple made it prettier so they think they own it now.
Android at it's core is much much different than iOS. The apps are the same obviously but the apps are not made by Apple or Android. They are made by the users and you know what? Blackberry had apps long before the iPhone existed.
Apple stole a lot of great ideas from a lot of other companies and made it partially open source called it innovation (iOS & Android would both be worthless if it weren't for all the app developers) and I'm glad they did it... I just don't think they have the right to sue people now for doing the very thing they did once upon a time.
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Lot of your infuse rants should be directed towards AT&T. AT&T has ruined just about every stock rom there is in existence.
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+1
AT&T ruins lots of great things.... =/
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Uhh...iOS5 isn't out yet. What exactly has Apple copied...in the past...like people are ranting about? Android and others have been copying Apple for years. What's the deal?
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Apple doesn't copy? Nokia and blackberry were on the block playing smartphone before apple made it cool to have one. I still see apple users shoving their products literally in other peoples faces saying look at me! look at me! The only truly innovative thing, besides making capacitive ui's very functional, is their marketing. Apples marketing has made most of their user base tools and fools. The rest actually need a smartphone and probably would jump ship to android or windows if that was the necessary flavor of their lifestyle/work. Apple equates to about as generic as you can get.
I voided my warranty and your mum.
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Apple doesn't copy? Nokia and blackberry were on the block playing smartphone before apple made it cool to have one. I still see apple users shoving their products literally in other peoples faces saying look at me! look at me! The only truly innovative thing, besides making capacitive ui's very functional, is their marketing. Apples marketing has made most of their user base tools and fools. The rest actually need a smartphone and probably would jump ship to android or windows if that was the necessary flavor of their lifestyle/work. Apple equates to about as generic as you can get.
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Exactly. Apple merely popularized something that existed long before the iPhone and because they popularized it they seem to think that all of their "innovations" were unique and original concepts but it is quite the contrary and the average person doesn't know any better.
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Exactly. Apple merely popularized something that existed long before the iPhone and because they popularized it they seem to think that all of their "innovations" were unique and original concepts but it is quite the contrary and the average person doesn't know any better.
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i would definitely credit them for the idea of ecosystem being driven by appstore and itunes. In terms of device and overall layout, I've had similar layouts on my winmo devices for years prior to the iphone release
http://brianshall.com/content/android-dead
Anyone read this ?
I don't know where to start but suffice to say that his facts are wrong not least the one saying no new android phone can compare to iphone. Pretty sure the quad core sgs3 can.
Also samsungs market share recently overtook apples yet he says apple is way ahead.
Most of the report is factually incorrect opinion not news.
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This is nothing more than opinion and partial facts/ incorrect facts. There is no doubt the iPhone/iPad sell better. There is also little argument that Android missed the mark with their tablets/tablet marketing. But in no way is Android dying.
I would counter this article with how long will iPhone users upgrade to the same exact device with the same non evolving software before they start to get bored? I couldn't bring myself to buy a 4 after my 3g because the device bored the hell out of me. I walked into the Apple store, picked up a 4 and said to myself why in the hell would I lock into two more years, they practically changed nothing.
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I think his numbers are wrong...
I will acknowledge that Android is suffering terribly from the fragmentation issue especially in the arena where consumers want an "appliance" that simply does what it does. I think enthusiasts and developers in the Android world have great fun with all the aspects of tinkering, it appeals to our intelligence that we can fix things, improve things and evolve. Most consumers are not interested in tinkering.
Lol, this is funny.
zharkov said:
I will acknowledge that Android is suffering terribly from the fragmentation issue especially in the arena where consumers want an "appliance" that simply does what it does. I think enthusiasts and developers in the Android world have great fun with all the aspects of tinkering, it appeals to our intelligence that we can fix things, improve things and evolve. Most consumers are not interested in tinkering.
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He hit the nail on the head. The iphone carries the user friendly market, as long as there are techies(men) and those who simply don't follow the crowd android will thrive. I do agree that Google should implement some kind of OS requirements, as many devices that could be running ICS are not, but to the previous comment of I walked in and said this really isn't any different than the 3g...that is pretty much it...apple will be apple, android is at least fresh in this perspective.
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According to Horace Dediu/Asymco, Apple is now taking 73% of the smartphone industry's profits, with Samsung capturing 26%.
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So, what he's saying is that Apple is screwing over the consumer almost 3 times more than the next largest company. Also, is this including the profits Apple gets from app sales, because none of the OEMs that make Android phones profit off of that.
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And that everyone includes Huwai and ZTE, LG and Sony, Motorola, Dell (sorta), HP (I think) and a host of other very large, once-capable companies.
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How do you forget HTC? They are probably the second or third largest seller behind Samsung and possibly Motorola.
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Nobody wants an Android tablet.
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The Kindle Fire is an Android Tablet, as is one of the B&N Nooks, guess no one buys those. The Galaxy Tab 2 7" also seems to be selling well the way it looks. There is an issue with tablets, but it's mainly a price issue, not features. Google and developers are working to solve the app issues.
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Almost no one has the latest version of Android.
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It's at 5% of the market and growing. With 300k new activations daily, that means at least 15k new ICS devices are joining the market every day. Now that OEMs are finishing up the ICS updates, and releasing their new phones/tablets with ICS, that is only going to grow over the next few months.
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The companies that most aggressively marketed the "Android" brand, particularly Motorola and HTC, are floundering. Samsung, you will notice, markets Samsung.
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Yeah, HTC bringing in $2.3 billion in revenue is floundering. Even with profits down, they still made nearly $200 million in profit for the 1st quarter. Given the success of the One series phones, that will probably go up this quarter. And Samsung markets phones for everything, and I'm pretty sure they mention Android for the Android devices.
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App developers continue to make far more money off iOS.
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Because iOS apps cost money, where the same app on Android is free. Android users will pay for apps if they're good, just that usually, there is a free alternative that is just as functional as the paid version.
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Google is *losing* money on Android.
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If they were loosing money so badly on Android, why does it continue to exist?
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The Oracle trial made clear that Android was designed for a small screen with a physical keyboard -- thus, not optimized for the touchscreen revolution.
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Working just fine on my 4.65" touchscreen here. I have more issues typing on the on-screen keyboard of the iPhone than I have with any of my Android devices.
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I seriously doubt any Android device will rival iPhone 4S -- even by the time of the next iPhone.
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I would say the Galaxy Nexus equals the iPhone 4S, and the just announced SGSIII will be the equal of the next iPhone in terms of hardware. Software, it is an apples v. oranges comparison. However, I have seen comparison tests that show it is usually faster or easier to perform simple tasks on the Galaxy Nexus versus the iPhone.
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So, what he's saying is that Apple is screwing over the consumer almost 3 times more than the next largest company. Also, is this including the profits Apple gets from app sales, because none of the OEMs that make Android phones profit off of that.
How do you forget HTC? They are probably the second or third largest seller behind Samsung and possibly Motorola.
The Kindle Fire is an Android Tablet, as is one of the B&N Nooks, guess no one buys those. The Galaxy Tab 2 7" also seems to be selling well the way it looks. There is an issue with tablets, but it's mainly a price issue, not features. Google and developers are working to solve the app issues.
It's at 5% of the market and growing. With 300k new activations daily, that means at least 15k new ICS devices are joining the market every day. Now that OEMs are finishing up the ICS updates, and releasing their new phones/tablets with ICS, that is only going to grow over the next few months.
Yeah, HTC bringing in $2.3 billion in revenue is floundering. Even with profits down, they still made nearly $200 million in profit for the 1st quarter. Given the success of the One series phones, that will probably go up this quarter. And Samsung markets phones for everything, and I'm pretty sure they mention Android for the Android devices.
Because iOS apps cost money, where the same app on Android is free. Android users will pay for apps if they're good, just that usually, there is a free alternative that is just as functional as the paid version.
If they were loosing money so badly on Android, why does it continue to exist?
Working just fine on my 4.65" touchscreen here. I have more issues typing on the on-screen keyboard of the iPhone than I have with any of my Android devices.
I would say the Galaxy Nexus equals the iPhone 4S, and the just announced SGSIII will be the equal of the next iPhone in terms of hardware. Software, it is an apples v. oranges comparison. However, I have seen comparison tests that show it is usually faster or easier to perform simple tasks on the Galaxy Nexus versus the iPhone.
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Unless the next iphone gets larger there's only so much you can shoehorn into a smaller form factor in which case apple customers could start looking elsewhere but as it stands there are a few android phones that could beat iphone including the s3 and optimus lte2.
But if android were dead then samsung lg and htc would all be failing miserably and their not.
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Lol, this is funny.
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Yep, very funny since he's comparing a SO with a phone (hardware vs. software? WTF)
BTW, that a phone is the most sold not mean that phone is the best, only mean that have better marketing. In many countries, iDevice = high social status (what a sh!t, it isn't?).
apple makes software modulated hardware but android makes hardware modulated software the difference is price n precession.......................... the apple is quite costly bt android is not much
apple is secure
android is open
android is flexible
apple is disposable
hell ya.............. android rockzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!
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So, what he's saying is that Apple is screwing over the consumer almost 3 times more than the next largest company. Also, is this including the profits Apple gets from app sales, because none of the OEMs that make Android phones profit off of that.
How do you forget HTC? They are probably the second or third largest seller behind Samsung and possibly Motorola.
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This is one of the more interesting questions. I do believe that Apple revenue of course includes the app sales. Does anybody know more about this point?
And what about HTC? Look here!
sunilkumar.maharana said:
apple makes software modulated hardware but android makes hardware modulated software the difference is price n precession.......................... the apple is quite costly bt android is not much
apple is secure
android is open
android is flexible
apple is disposable
hell ya.............. android rockzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!
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My opinion is that Android is more secure than iOS. It is open-source, so anyone can look at the code (most of it anyway), find issues, fix them, and then submit the fix for inclusion in the next update. There is also SEAndroid being worked on by the same group that does SELinux. Apple is closed source, so when a problem is found, you have to wait for Apple to fix it. You can't tell when the fix will come, or if it will even come. Nor do you have the option to include the fix yourself, as there is no way to patch it without the source to build from.
Isn't the iPhone security able to be easily bypassed by anyone, regardless of the phone being locked or not? Android seems to be the more secure platform for most things from what I've seen, but I'm not a security researcher, so anything is possible.
another idiot Apple fanboy writes a bunch on non-factual nonsense. truth is, he knows Android is killing Apple, and he can't accept it, so instead he puts Android down to make himself feel better about being an iPhone lover. it's a classic example of the most basic human psychology.
let him be a fanboy, and we'll enjoy our amazing platform in peace.
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another idiot Apple fanboy writes a bunch on non-factual nonsense. truth is, he knows Android is killing Apple, and he can't accept it, so instead he puts Android down to make himself feel better about being an iPhone lover. it's a classic example of the most basic human psychology.
let him be a fanboy, and we'll enjoy our amazing platform in peace.
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You said it m8
The funny thing about this...which kind of invalidates everything he says, is that Samsung is running Android. I don't think Samsung has a single phone out right now that isn't Android.
"No one wants an Android tablet" No, it's just that the iPad has a name behind it. If not for that name, it'd be one of the worst selling pads on the market.
I think when the general population talk about the IPHONE they don't think of iOS but the Form factor of the phone. I also think that the general non techie population doesn't really know what Android REALLY is. This why every phone that's not an iPhone is considered a "Droid" to them.
Non techie people are seduced by the shiny and admittingly good design of the iPhone and as long as Facebook and Instagram works on it they are happy and they "love their iphone".
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Wow :what: where to start. The incorrect " facts " . The overt Apple fanboy flare. The way he should've started is by saying, " all the information you are about to given is conjecture and opinion " . Well I guess that's why some people buy, Apple products. Then there are those that think, research, and make the smart choice, Android.
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alunral said:
The funny thing about this...which kind of invalidates everything he says, is that Samsung is running Android. I don't think Samsung has a single phone out right now that isn't Android.
"No one wants an Android tablet" No, it's just that the iPad has a name behind it. If not for that name, it'd be one of the worst selling pads on the market.
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Its not that ipad has a name for itself, its that apple had a name for itself a long time ago. When the iPod came out it was a big hit. It then evolved into the iPod touch, which was alright for a while. Then they made the iPhone. Everyone was already hooked on apples products, thus not giveing android too much of a chance. Except for those who want something different, so they went and got an android. Slowly people are going to leave the iPhone cause they are going to get bored of the same old SH*T. Basicly the iPod is apples reputation. The ios is boring and kinda plain.
Who cares about what sells better? How about what performs better? And I know I would much rather be able to do whatever the hell I want with the phone like customizing, and tweaking the phone to run faster, and not having to pay for everything. And you can't even do anything on the computer without a jailbreak or being annoyingly restricted to iTunes!
IPhone sucks! ANDROID RULES!!!
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This is quite simple to respond to. IPhone is for mainstream users, every friend of mine says iPhone is the best phone until I show them some android devices. We live in a world where all the crap which has an apple on the back is better by the eyes of people that don't even know what the market has to offer.
Another thing is, android is still growing, and iOS has much has it keep evolving, I believe it's pretty much that: a phone with the homescreen full of icons and with no customizing whatsoever; a phone that in my opinion gives a terrible user experience.
I'm no fan of Samsung devices but it's true they're doing a great job on expanding android.
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The new iPhone 5s smokes any android device withe regards to hardware:
http://gizmodo.com/iphone-a7-chip-b...source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
Not to mention they have no fragmentation and they all get updates at the same time, I admit guys we LOST, man up and admit Adroid will always be a copycat of iOS. Betcha in coming months samsung will have fingerprint censor copying the 5s.
I wonder, would there come a day when fanboys all gave up?
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rjan22, your mommy is calling you.
Honestly who cares. Pretty much all the phones released in the last 2 years were quick in regular use, what more do you want.
iOS? No thanks.
I'll buy iphone only when it uses android os or better and reasonable price.
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Lol...today most phones are rectangular. Does that mean all companies except google copied the original design developed by motorola and infringing it? Nope. It is by design, which gives comfort. Could you think of a square shaped phone or a round shaped phone? And for fingerprint scanner, Samsung is already working on it for the past 6months. There were some frameworks on leaked firmwares of s4,note2 etc which seemed like fingerprint scanner frameworks. Only thing is, apple pushed it self first to implement it. And oh...the io7! Dont you think the control center is copy of android just because it was first introduced in android! And the multitasking window
There is nothing like "this company copies that company!". There might be any patent issues between companies but in what way does it affect us-the end users? After we are lucky to have vast choices of os,form factor, hw, brands to choose from
P.S: And a friendly advice for you would be to close the thread before people starts bashing(probably?) you because its an android forum, most people here would be android fanboys.
You must be looking for Giant Flame Throwing Trolls because you just laid the biggest trap of them all
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My DM with a T-Mobile rep.
That was a waste since it was a known fact already. Wish you had asked them what bands the phone supports since they don't list them all anywhere. AT&T lists them all on the website and looks like the best choice if T-Mobile won't provide that info
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My DM with a T-Mobile rep.
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You said this...
I wouldn't be so sure until it's proven.
Finally, the Exynos 8895 also includes what Samsung is calling an “enhanced security sub-system with a separate security processing unit” for use with user authentication, mobile payments, and the like. Based on Samsung’s description this sounds a heck of a lot like Apple’s Secure Enclave, which would be a very welcome development, as in Apple’s case it has made their phones a lot harder to break into.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/11149/samsung-announces-exynos-8895-soc-10nm
In reading your exchange with T-Mobile it came across fairly righteous - "it's my phone and I should be able to do what I want with it." Knowing T-Mobile's phones have locked bootloaders it's your choice whether to buy them or, like the CSR said in your exchange, find a phone that suits you and "bring your own." Trying to get them to reverse a security policy that helps far more people than it hurts seems like a pretty futile exercise.
The value of the modding community to a company with 52+M wireless subscribers is pretty low. There are 336K active (used the site in the past 30 days) XDA members. If every XDA member was on T-Mobile and moved to another carrier in protest that's less than 1/10 of 1% of T-Mobile's subscriber base. Samsung, the carriers, and even Google are far more interested in national and global corporate accounts and those accounts demand security. That's why Knox, locked bootloaders, and what's mentioned as coming in the above article exist. Companies like OnePlus, Oppo, and HTC aren't ever going to land big corporate and government contracts where Samsung can and does. That's why carriers and Samsung lock their bootloaders. The company I work for only allows iPhones to connect to Exchange. We Android users have to use some kludged containerized e-mail product that doesn't integrate with the rest of the phone and even then its only available on current model Samsung phones. It is what it is.
We'll get the engineering firmware leaked and have root anyways. Our little way of protesting.
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We'll get the engineering firmware leaked and have root anyways. Our little way of protesting.
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Maybe I'll wait for the Pixel2 this fall. I know that will be unlocked, easily rootable, and supported by the dev community. There are few options for the S7 now and I expect much the same for the S8. My last Samsung phone was a Note 3 and the dev support was limited. I love my current Nexus 6 so I am in no rush.
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Maybe I'll wait for the Pixel2 this fall. I know that will be unlocked, easily rootable, and supported by the dev community. There are few options for the S7 now and I expect much the same for the S8. My last Samsung phone was a Note 3 and the dev support was limited. I love my current Nexus 6 so I am in no rush.
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This might be a good plan...How big is the screen supposed to be?
954wrecker said:
That was a waste since it was a known fact already. Wish you had asked them what bands the phone supports since they don't list them all anywhere. AT&T lists them all on the website and looks like the best choice if T-Mobile won't provide that info
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Here you go. It's been listed a day after since preorders started.
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/galaxy-s8-plus-t-mobile
2G GSM: GSM850,GSM900,DCS1800,PCS1900
3G UMTS: B1(2100),B2(1900),B4(AWS),B5(850)
3G TD-SCDMA: B34(2010),B39(1880)
4G FDD LTE: B1(2100),B2(1900),B3(1800),B4(AWS),B5(850),B7(2600),B8(900),B12(700),B13(700),B18(800),B19(800),B20(800),B25(1900),B26(800),B66(AWS-3)
4G TDD LTE: B38(2600),B39(1900),B40(2300),B41(2500)
BarryH_GEG said:
You said this...
I wouldn't be so sure until it's proven.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11149/samsung-announces-exynos-8895-soc-10nm[/I]
In reading your exchange with T-Mobile it came across fairly righteous - "it's my phone and I should be able to do what I want with it." Knowing T-Mobile's phones have locked bootloaders it's your choice whether to buy them or, like the CSR said in your exchange, find a phone that suits you and "bring your own." Trying to get them to reverse a security policy that helps far more people than it hurts seems like a pretty futile exercise.
The value of the modding community to a company with 52+M wireless subscribers is pretty low. There are 336K active (used the site in the past 30 days) XDA members. If every XDA member was on T-Mobile and moved to another carrier in protest that's less than 1/10 of 1% of T-Mobile's subscriber base. Samsung, the carriers, and even Google are far more interested in national and global corporate accounts and those accounts demand security. That's why Knox, locked bootloaders, and what's mentioned as coming in the above article exist. Companies like OnePlus, Oppo, and HTC aren't ever going to land big corporate and government contracts where Samsung can and does. That's why carriers and Samsung lock their bootloaders. The company I work for only allows iPhones to connect to Exchange. We Android users have to use some kludged containerized e-mail product that doesn't integrate with the rest of the phone and even then its only available on current model Samsung phones. It is what it is.
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I really don't agree with this. There is no reason they couldn't design a phone to be secure and able to flash other operating systems. Windows for example can use bitlocker, but that doesn't stop you from formating the drive out and install linux. I agree if you're leasing that phone the leasing company has the right to protect its asset, but if you buy it outright, you should be able to do what you want with it. Even if you had to send the phone to Samsung, you should have some avenue to unlock a device you own.
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I really don't agree with this. There is no reason they couldn't design a phone to be secure and able to flash other operating systems. Windows for example can use bitlocker, but that doesn't stop you from formating the drive out and install linux. I agree if you're leasing that phone the leasing company has the right to protect its asset, but if you buy it outright, you should be able to do what you want with it. Even if you had to send the phone to Samsung, you should have some avenue to unlock a device you own.
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That's the XDA spirit!
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I really don't agree with this. There is no reason they couldn't design a phone to be secure and able to flash other operating systems. Windows for example can use bitlocker, but that doesn't stop you from formating the drive out and install linux. I agree if you're leasing that phone the leasing company has the right to protect its asset, but if you buy it outright, you should be able to do what you want with it. Even if you had to send the phone to Samsung, you should have some avenue to unlock a device you own.
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Kind of the tail (the single digit percentage of people wanting to root their phones regardless of the security implications) wagging the dog (everyone else concerned about security and 100% of companies wanting to protect their business data). Android security is so totally bankrupt that the company I work for won't allow Android devices to connect to Exchange. While iPhone users have full EAS access I'm stuck using OWA. I personally hope Samsung goes beyond KNOX to secure their phones so I and others like me can get real access to company assets rather than dealing with kluges and work-arounds. I'm sure that's why Samsung's doing more than Google to secure their phones. People who want unlocked bootloaders and root access have plenty of options other than Samsung so it's not like anyone's being harmed.
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Kind of the tail (the single digit percentage of people wanting to root their phones regardless of the security implications) wagging the dog (everyone else concerned about security and 100% of companies wanting to protect their business data). Android security is so totally bankrupt that the company I work for won't allow Android devices to connect to Exchange. While iPhone users have full EAS access I'm stuck using OWA. I personally hope Samsung goes beyond KNOX to secure their phones so I and others like me can get real access to company assets rather than dealing with kluges and work-arounds. I'm sure that's why Samsung's doing more than Google to secure their phones. People who want unlocked bootloaders and root access have plenty of options other than Samsung so it's not like anyone's being harmed.
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Samsung can add anything they want to secure the phones. Doesn't change the fact that you should be able to unlock the phone via some service. Konx is already the highest rated mass produced enterprise software (http://www.informationweek.com/mobi...eats-ios-android-gartner-finds/d/d-id/1325145), and it does just fine being rooted. It's a very expensive device that pretty much becomes garbage after a few years. On the other hand, I still use my touch pro tablet that runs 7.1.2. Not to mention if it were illegal to lock phones, shops would pop up overnight to upgrade peoples dated phones to the latest and greatest.
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Samsung can add anything they want to secure the phones. Doesn't change the fact that you should be able to unlock the phone via some service. Konx is already the highest rated mass produced enterprise software (http://www.informationweek.com/mobi...eats-ios-android-gartner-finds/d/d-id/1325145), and it does just fine being rooted. It's a very expensive device that pretty much becomes garbage after a few years. On the other hand, I still use my touch pro tablet that runs 7.1.2. Not to mention if it were illegal to lock phones, shops would pop up overnight to upgrade peoples dated phones to the latest and greatest.
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An analogy. You want a light weight performance oriented two seat convertible - a "true sports car." But you also want luxury appointments and an abundance of high-end optional equipment and a prestigious brand. Do you: A) buy something that meets your first set of requirements like a Mazda MX-5, or B) go to BMW forums and bash BMW and complain to fellow forum members that the Z4 isn't a "true sports car" because of its weight and price? Or worse, buy it and complain after the fact how horrible BMW is because of their product choices? It's an example of not being able to have your cake and eat it too. Mazda offers what they offer and BMW offers what they offer. You don't get to tell either to change their product strategy. You do get to vote with your wallet.
Samsung's got the most rigid Android security and seems to be ratcheting it up even further with a h/w security coprocessor in Exynos 8895. OnePlus, HTC, Huawei, Pixel/Nexus are the most liberal. It seems ludicrous to pick a Samsung phone for modding when clearly the product isn't the best choice. The other mentioned brands are a far better choice. You can't have your cake and eat it too. That's just the way life works.
If you believe an unlocked bootloader and rooting are a God given right since it's "your phone and you paid for it" the solutions simple. Don't buy a Samsung phone. And if you do, lamenting Samsung's security restrictions here after the fact just reinforce you shouldn't have bought the phone in the first place.
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An analogy. You want a light weight performance oriented two seat convertible - a "true sports car." But you also want luxury appointments and an abundance of high-end optional equipment and a prestigious brand. Do you: A) buy something that meets your first set of requirements like a Mazda MX-5, or B) go to BMW forums and bash BMW and complain to fellow forum members that the Z4 isn't a "true sports car" because of its weight and price? Or worse, buy it and complain after the fact how horrible BMW is because of their product choices? It's an example of not being able to have your cake and eat it too. Mazda offers what they offer and BMW offers what they offer. You don't get to tell either to change their product strategy. You do get to vote with your wallet.
Samsung's got the most rigid Android security and seems to be ratcheting it up even further with a h/w security coprocessor in Exynos 8895. OnePlus, HTC, Huawei, Pixel/Nexus are the most liberal. It seems ludicrous to pick a Samsung phone for modding when clearly the product isn't the best choice. The other mentioned brands are a far better choice. You can't have your cake and eat it too. That's just the way life works.
If you believe an unlocked bootloader and rooting are a God given right since it's "your phone and you paid for it" the solutions simple. Don't buy a Samsung phone. And if you do, lamenting Samsung's security restrictions here after the fact just reinforce you shouldn't have bought the phone in the first place.
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Very well said and the exact reason after my note 3 and note 5 I left for OnePlus
BarryH_GEG said:
An analogy. You want a light weight performance oriented two seat convertible - a "true sports car." But you also want luxury appointments and an abundance of high-end optional equipment and a prestigious brand. Do you: A) buy something that meets your first set of requirements like a Mazda MX-5, or B) go to BMW forums and bash BMW and complain to fellow forum members that the Z4 isn't a "true sports car" because of its weight and price? Or worse, buy it and complain after the fact how horrible BMW is because of their product choices? It's an example of not being able to have your cake and eat it too. Mazda offers what they offer and BMW offers what they offer. You don't get to tell either to change their product strategy. You do get to vote with your wallet.
Samsung's got the most rigid Android security and seems to be ratcheting it up even further with a h/w security coprocessor in Exynos 8895. OnePlus, HTC, Huawei, Pixel/Nexus are the most liberal. It seems ludicrous to pick a Samsung phone for modding when clearly the product isn't the best choice. The other mentioned brands are a far better choice. You can't have your cake and eat it too. That's just the way life works.
If you believe an unlocked bootloader and rooting are a God given right since it's "your phone and you paid for it" the solutions simple. Don't buy a Samsung phone. And if you do, lamenting Samsung's security restrictions here after the fact just reinforce you shouldn't have bought the phone in the first place.
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The analogy is terrible. And the reason I use Samsung is for Knox. I'm not looking for root myself (at this moment). A better and simpler analogy would be you buy a miata, later on in life you want to do an LS1 swap but Mazada has welded the engine bay shut. There just isn't a reason for it. being able to change the operating system has no bearing on the security of a device. If they want to stop you from rooting Samsungs version of android fine, encrypt the disk, whatever they want. I should still be able to wipe out the partition and install something like Ubuntu phone (I know dead).