With all the bull**** Apple is saying they have patented that Android is copying (such as slide to unlock), I've been thinking... Wouldn't it be great if all Android devices moved to edge-to-edge displays then claimed ownership when Apple ends up doing the same thing?
For that matter, if Android gets rid of physical buttons before Apple there's another thing Android can claim. With Android devices being released all year and Apple devices once annually, Android should start hitting all of the hardware innovations at least 1 quarter before Apple and it will start to appear that Apple is copying Android and EVERYTHING that iOS 5 does is copied is already in use by either Android and/or Windows mobile (you know it's bad when Windows Mobile does something before you).
I'm not really an Apply or Android fanboi. I liked Apple when it offered a superior product and now I like Android because it offers a superior product. I'm an economist-to-be and I hate the monopolization of information. Classic case of humanity holding back humanity. If the last decade has taught us anything it should be that open-source beats EVERYTHING (... eventually... if people like the initial product) Because no company can compete with the entire world being your potential developers.
And yeah, Samsung OBVIOUSLY copies the iPhone. BUT the operating system is superior and that's what people want. The quality of an iPhone hardware (minus ****ty antennas of course) with the freedom of Android.
Apple needs to allow developers the freedom that Android allows and I prey to god that that is why they are hiring all the jailbreakers/jailbreak app developers... because the best thing in the world for Android is a better iPhone.
iLiberate said:
With all the bull**** Apple is saying they have patented that Android is copying (such as slide to unlock), I've been thinking... Wouldn't it be great if all Android devices moved to edge-to-edge displays then claimed ownership when Apple ends up doing the same thing?
For that matter, if Android gets rid of physical buttons before Apple there's another thing Android can claim. With Android devices being released all year and Apple devices once annually, Android should start hitting all of the hardware innovations at least 1 quarter before Apple and it will start to appear that Apple is copying Android and EVERYTHING that iOS 5 does is copied is already in use by either Android and/or Windows mobile (you know it's bad when Windows Mobile does something before you).
I'm not really an Apply or Android fanboi. I liked Apple when it offered a superior product and now I like Android because it offers a superior product. I'm an economist-to-be and I hate the monopolization of information. Classic case of humanity holding back humanity. If the last decade has taught us anything it should be that open-source beats EVERYTHING (... eventually... if people like the initial product) Because no company can compete with the entire world being your potential developers.
And yeah, Samsung OBVIOUSLY copies the iPhone. BUT the operating system is superior and that's what people want. The quality of an iPhone hardware (minus ****ty antennas of course) with the freedom of Android.
Apple needs to allow developers the freedom that Android allows and I prey to god that that is why they are hiring all the jailbreakers/jailbreak app developers... because the best thing in the world for Android is a better iPhone.
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That's not true. I own a Samsung phone and other Samsung media devices and from my experience, Samsung doesn't know the first thing about software creation. My Infuse is a joke for reliability and functionality. My P3 and other Samsung MP3 players are horrendous for the UI. My Infuse, though, has been the buggiest and most unreliable smartphone I've owned since my Palm Treo 680.
I have a lot of electronic gadgets, several smartphones among them, and the iPhone 4 has been the most reliable and trouble-free smartphone I've ever owned. It's boring as hell, but it is reliable and the OS is superb.
As far as Apple copying others...are you saying that if a company copied Apple for many years and then Apple implements a feature similar to the company that has been copying Apple and infringing Apple's patents, it's unfair? Where, then, was the the unfairness when the other companies were copying Apple?
By the way, if Samsung wants to put out software as lousy as they are with their Smartphones, I hope Apple does stop them...throughout the world. Samsung's software is second to none for being horrible. Let Apple do us all a favor and put an end to their smartphones until Samsung gets off its high-horse and acknowledges how horrible their software is and then does something effective about remedying it.
What do you mean by the best thing in the world for android is a better iphone?
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What do you mean by the best thing in the world for android is a better iphone?
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Competition breeds innovation. For example, there are plenty of apps that get made for iPhone that are eventually ported over to Android.
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That's not true. I own a Samsung phone and other Samsung media devices and from my experience, Samsung doesn't know the first thing about software creation. My Infuse is a joke for reliability and functionality. My P3 and other Samsung MP3 players are horrendous for the UI. My Infuse, though, has been the buggiest and most unreliable smartphone I've owned since my Palm Treo 680.
I have a lot of electronic gadgets, several smartphones among them, and the iPhone 4 has been the most reliable and trouble-free smartphone I've ever owned. It's boring as hell, but it is reliable and the OS is superb.
As far as Apple copying others...are you saying that if a company copied Apple for many years and then Apple implements a feature similar to the company that has been copying Apple and infringing Apple's patents, it's unfair? Where, then, was the the unfairness when the other companies were copying Apple?
By the way, if Samsung wants to put out software as lousy as they are with their Smartphones, I hope Apple does stop them...throughout the world. Samsung's software is second to none for being horrible. Let Apple do us all a favor and put an end to their smartphones until Samsung gets off its high-horse and acknowledges how horrible their software is and then does something effective about remedying it.
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1) I guess I don't care about sense or touchwiz or motoblur ect. it doesn't matter because with Android I have the freedom to remove it.
2) All Apple has ever done is copy others and clean it up. I guess you can all that innovation if you like and I won't argue. I'm saying that patents in general are bad for innovation and in general it's better for consumers if company A copies all the the things that company B does right and tries to fix all the the things that company B does wrong. That is evolution. I don't think evolution should be illegal. And assuming that Apple hardware and software are better than Samsung's and the phones are priced similarly a rational consumer would never purchase a Samsung phone, and that obviously isn't the case.
Aside from that, I'm 100% sure that Apple infringes upon patents held by numerous other companies. All large corporations do. Most don't go suing everyone when it happens. If Apple thinks they are so much better than Android then just one up Android at every turn and they will always hold more market share.
3) If Samsung is truly that horrible then Apple shouldn't have to sue them. No one would buy their products and they will go out of business.
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That's not true. I own a Samsung phone and other Samsung media devices and from my experience, Samsung doesn't know the first thing about software creation. My Infuse is a joke for reliability and functionality. My P3 and other Samsung MP3 players are horrendous for the UI. My Infuse, though, has been the buggiest and most unreliable smartphone I've owned since my Palm Treo 680.
I have a lot of electronic gadgets, several smartphones among them, and the iPhone 4 has been the most reliable and trouble-free smartphone I've ever owned. It's boring as hell, but it is reliable and the OS is superb.
As far as Apple copying others...are you saying that if a company copied Apple for many years and then Apple implements a feature similar to the company that has been copying Apple and infringing Apple's patents, it's unfair? Where, then, was the the unfairness when the other companies were copying Apple?
By the way, if Samsung wants to put out software as lousy as they are with their Smartphones, I hope Apple does stop them...throughout the world. Samsung's software is second to none for being horrible. Let Apple do us all a favor and put an end to their smartphones until Samsung gets off its high-horse and acknowledges how horrible their software is and then does something effective about remedying it.
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You forget most of us really do not care about the "retail software" in the phone. All the phones that are sold IMHO have real crap for their oem software. That is why we are here. As far as phones go My Galaxy phone has been beyond great in so many ways and is hands down so much better than the Iphone and its ios. People forget that the Galaxy phone was released at the same time of the Iphone 3 and it still outperforms the Iphone 4. So to me, hardware that provides that longevity and flexibility is quite notable
And I love iPhone for reliability just as Apple users love Macs for reliability. I don't care so much for reliability anymore. I care about flexibility & freedom. I don't like that access to 90% of my iPhone is locked off. I don't like a boring screen full of little squares. I'm glad that Apple exists for those people who use to get Viruses once a week on their PCs, I don't plan to ever get a virus on my PC and if I do I know how to fix it. Just like my phone, I know Android takes time to tweak but I like the option to put 1000 hours into my phone to make it what I want it to be but that isn't the point of this thread really. I'm just thinking that two years from now Android will hold all the patents and Apple will regret this petty bull****.
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1) I guess I don't care about sense or touchwiz or motoblur ect. it doesn't matter because with Android I have the freedom to remove it.
2) All Apple has ever done is copy others and clean it up. I guess you can all that innovation if you like and I won't argue. I'm saying that patents in general are bad for innovation and in general it's better for consumers if company A copies all the the things that company B does right and tries to fix all the the things that company B does wrong. That is evolution. I don't think evolution should be illegal. And assuming that Apple hardware and software are better than Samsung's and the phones are priced similarly a rational consumer would never purchase a Samsung phone, and that obviously isn't the case.
Aside from that, I'm 100% sure that Apple infringes upon patents held by numerous other companies. All large corporations do. Most don't go suing everyone when it happens. If Apple thinks they are so much better than Android then just one up Android at every turn and they will always hold more market share.
3) If Samsung is truly that horrible then Apple shouldn't have to sue them. No one would buy their products and they will go out of business.
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Name the things Apple has copied. But don't include the iOS5 notification bar.
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You forget most of us really do not care about the "retail software" in the phone. All the phones that are sold IMHO have real crap for their oem software. That is why we are here. As far as phones go My Galaxy phone has been beyond great in so many ways and is hands down so much better than the Iphone and its ios. People forget that the Galaxy phone was released at the same time of the Iphone 3 and it still outperforms the Iphone 4. So to me, hardware that provides that longevity and flexibility is quite notable
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Not true. My Inspire has outstanding stock ROM. My Focus is perfection...stock. My iPhone is also perfection...stock. The Nexus S I had was excellent. If my Infuse was excellent, I would say so. But it isn't. It's the only phone I've had since my Treo 680 that has been unreliable and troublesome. And I see reports from other users who say their Samsung phones are the worst they ever had.
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Not true. My Inspire has outstanding stock ROM. My Focus is perfection...stock. My iPhone is also perfection...stock. The Nexus S I had was excellent. If my Infuse was excellent, I would say so. But it isn't. It's the only phone I've had since my Treo 680 that has been unreliable and troublesome. And I see reports from other users who say their Samsung phones are the worst they ever had.
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And at least Android offers choices... Many people around here love pure Android and that's fine but I'm glad I have at least 3-5 flavors of Android. Even if I never use more than one of them.
As far as Samsung's phones go. Some say they are the best and others say they are the worst but at least with Android if I don't like Samsung I have alternatives... I don't care for Sense but I'm amazed at how many people I meet who refuse to buy anything but HTC for Sense.
Symbian ftw! Haha.
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Name the things Apple has copied. But don't include the iOS5 notification bar.
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Android
1) Notifications bar
2) Wireless syncing
3) Tabbed browsing
4) Split keyboard
5) Opening apps from the lock screen
6) Air Updates
7) Finally have some half ass widgets in the dropdown menu
8) drop down menu
Blackberry
1) iMessage is completely jacked from blackberry
Windows Mobile
1) Auto upload pictures to facebook/twitter in camera app
And really? Aside from those features, WTF is in iOS 5? They haven't done ANYTHING innovative. And I was planning to get an iPhone 5 all year because I expected them to take everything from Android AND expand and they didn't. They played it safe. And on top of that they have numerous updates all year and ALL they really do is annoy jail breakers.
One could argue that they have all these outdated features being added because they only really expand features once a year, and that may be a great argument but to me it's just another reason to be pissed off at Apple.
"If Apple was honorable... -- not going ballistic over generic features that everyone shares -- no one would bat an eye. But Apple is still the biggest kid in the sandbox, and when it wants to take its ball and go home, it does so with a big public show[,but] Apple running off with someone else's ball isn't a problem at all." - Mike Schuster http://www.minyanville.com/dailyfeed/2011/06/07/apples-ios-5-directly-lifts/
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Android
1) Notifications bar
2) Wireless syncing
3) Tabbed browsing
4) Split keyboard
5) Opening apps from the lock screen
6) Air Updates
7) Finally have some half ass widgets in the dropdown menu
8) drop down menu
Blackberry
1) iMessage is completely jacked from blackberry
Windows Mobile
1) Auto upload pictures to facebook/twitter in camera app
And really? Aside from those features, WTF is in iOS 5? They haven't done ANYTHING innovative. And I was planning to get an iPhone 5 all year because I expected them to take everything from Android AND expand and they didn't. They played it safe. And on top of that they have numerous updates all year and ALL they really do is annoy jail breakers.
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Uhh...iOS5 isn't out yet. What exactly has Apple copied...in the past...like people are ranting about? Android and others have been copying Apple for years. What's the deal?
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Uhh...iOS5 isn't out yet. What exactly has Apple copied...in the past...like people are ranting about? Android and others have been copying Apple for years. What's the deal?
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No one would care if iOS copied Android because as you said many things are copied between the two platforms. The difference being that google/android/samsung/HTC/motorola don't cry and sue for every little tiny aspect of iOS that was copied off of Android. Even Apple fans that I know are sick of how Apple is acting. It's no way to conduct yourself as a leading company in your field.
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Not true. My Inspire has outstanding stock ROM. My Focus is perfection...stock. My iPhone is also perfection...stock. The Nexus S I had was excellent. If my Infuse was excellent, I would say so. But it isn't. It's the only phone I've had since my Treo 680 that has been unreliable and troublesome. And I see reports from other users who say their Samsung phones are the worst they ever had.
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Lot of your infuse rants should be directed towards AT&T. AT&T has ruined just about every stock rom there is in existence.
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Uhh...iOS5 isn't out yet. What exactly has Apple copied...in the past...like people are ranting about? Android and others have been copying Apple for years. What's the deal?
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Well Apple said that Samsung copied their iPad design and there were dozens of tablets YEARS before the iPad with the exact same design. No one sued Apple for using a design already used in the past because it's expected in the industry. A tablet is merely a laptop without a keyboard.
The slide to unlock existed before the iPhone but Apple made it prettier so they think they own it now.
Android at it's core is much much different than iOS. The apps are the same obviously but the apps are not made by Apple or Android. They are made by the users and you know what? Blackberry had apps long before the iPhone existed.
Apple stole a lot of great ideas from a lot of other companies and made it partially open source called it innovation (iOS & Android would both be worthless if it weren't for all the app developers) and I'm glad they did it... I just don't think they have the right to sue people now for doing the very thing they did once upon a time.
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Lot of your infuse rants should be directed towards AT&T. AT&T has ruined just about every stock rom there is in existence.
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AT&T ruins lots of great things.... =/
MartyLK said:
Uhh...iOS5 isn't out yet. What exactly has Apple copied...in the past...like people are ranting about? Android and others have been copying Apple for years. What's the deal?
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Apple doesn't copy? Nokia and blackberry were on the block playing smartphone before apple made it cool to have one. I still see apple users shoving their products literally in other peoples faces saying look at me! look at me! The only truly innovative thing, besides making capacitive ui's very functional, is their marketing. Apples marketing has made most of their user base tools and fools. The rest actually need a smartphone and probably would jump ship to android or windows if that was the necessary flavor of their lifestyle/work. Apple equates to about as generic as you can get.
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Apple doesn't copy? Nokia and blackberry were on the block playing smartphone before apple made it cool to have one. I still see apple users shoving their products literally in other peoples faces saying look at me! look at me! The only truly innovative thing, besides making capacitive ui's very functional, is their marketing. Apples marketing has made most of their user base tools and fools. The rest actually need a smartphone and probably would jump ship to android or windows if that was the necessary flavor of their lifestyle/work. Apple equates to about as generic as you can get.
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Exactly. Apple merely popularized something that existed long before the iPhone and because they popularized it they seem to think that all of their "innovations" were unique and original concepts but it is quite the contrary and the average person doesn't know any better.
iLiberate said:
Exactly. Apple merely popularized something that existed long before the iPhone and because they popularized it they seem to think that all of their "innovations" were unique and original concepts but it is quite the contrary and the average person doesn't know any better.
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i would definitely credit them for the idea of ecosystem being driven by appstore and itunes. In terms of device and overall layout, I've had similar layouts on my winmo devices for years prior to the iphone release
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It seems mister Steve Jobs is very scared of Android, as I'm sure your all aware.
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...es-patents-appea/&category=classic&postPage=1
Apple continues to target the major Android handset manufacturers. Unfortunately it seems HTC lost its battle with Steve for now, with Samsung also under fire.
Does Apple really think they can slow down Android enough to keep its precious iPhone on top? Not likely. I don't think showing fear is good for the company.
Apple continues to rely on its brand name's reputation, instead of doing something truely innovative (the iPhone was innovative... WAS. The iPad was innovative as well, but lets just say the Xoom beats the crap out of it). Now the iPhone is small screened and slow (network and CPU wise) compaired to any high-end Android device.
Apple is only buying time. Sooner or later, the iPhone fad will come to an end, much like Facebooks current plight.
Feel free to give your input.
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"All Things D is reporting that the two patents in question are 5,946,647 and 6,343,263, the former of which is said to be "fundamental to Android."
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but lets just say the Xoom beats the crap out of it
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Isn't the Xoom some half-finished product, both software and hardware-wise?
Other than that, I fully agree with your post - Apple is afraid. Very afraid. They're not the only ones though, Microsoft is as well. That's why they're both resorting to patent litigation. While at the same time Apple is totally copying Android's notification dropdown. Hypocrisy at it's best.
The ones who are really afraid? The ones who keep talkin' smack about Apple and MS. Otherwise they would sit back and watch it.
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The ones who are really afraid? The ones who keep talkin' smack about Apple and MS. Otherwise they would sit back and watch it.
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Yes, we're talking out of fear, it's totally not about calling companies out on their crap. Sure. LOL
Totally agree bother! Didn't Microsoft get in trouble for forcing there software into pcs? Someone got paid off for win this last one with HTC. I think its totally against our rights to hold back technology for the gain of one. Plus the iphone is old school. Its time to move on to better pastures Mr jobs! Remember how technology was for apple before the iphone came out or the ipod? Apple sucked the big one! I think there running scared cause android is its competition! to bad,we the people have a right to choose!
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orkillakilla said:
It seems mister Steve Jobs is very scared of Android, as I'm sure your all aware.
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...es-patents-appea/&category=classic&postPage=1
Apple continues to target the major Android handset manufacturers. Unfortunately it seems HTC lost its battle with Steve for now, with Samsung also under fire.
Does Apple really think they can slow down Android enough to keep its precious iPhone on top? Not likely. I don't think showing fear is good for the company.
Apple continues to rely on its brand name's reputation, instead of doing something truely innovative (the iPhone was innovative... WAS. The iPad was innovative as well, but lets just say the Xoom beats the crap out of it). Now the iPhone is small screened and slow (network and CPU wise) compaired to any high-end Android device.
Apple is only buying time. Sooner or later, the iPhone fad will come to an end, much like Facebooks current plight.
Feel free to give your input.
*NOTICE* These are my personal opinion. If you like the iPhone or Apple for that matter, then more power to you. Apple makes good products, expensive as they are. Flaming is not necessary.
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hmm another android vs apple thread...hmm.. lost count on the numbers now
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hmm another android vs apple thread...hmm.. lost count on the numbers now
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Hmm... another pointless post. Lost count on the number now...
If you don't want to add to the discussion, or don't like the fact that there are many of these threads, simply don't read it.
Has far as the Xoom goes, I've only read good things about it, and that it's at least on the same level as the iPad. I haven't played around on one though, so I can't say for sure.
It seems Microsoft and Apple, being the "old dogs" in the computer/tech/smartphone world, have their tails between their legs, acting like a chihuahua showing it's teeth at a pit bull...
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something about dogs
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I don't think its Apple with the problems.. check out some snippets from the link below:
http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/07/itc-judge-finds-htc-in-infringement-of.html
ITC judge finds HTC in infringement of two Apple patents
Google's Android mobile operating system is in serious trouble:
Patents appear to be at the core of Android and are likely infringed by all Android devices
I have looked at those patents before and they appear to be very fundamental. They are very likely to be infringed by code that is at the core of Android.
This could in a worst-case scenario result in an import ban against many or even all Android-based HTC products in the U.S. market.
In a slightly less negative scenario, HTC might have to remove certain functionality from its products, and that could result in a significant or even substantial degradation of the quality of those devices.
Since those patents don't appear to relate to HTC's own extensions of Android but to Android itself, they may affect all of the other makers of Android-based devices. Apple could soon be in a strong position to obtain import bans against dozens of device makers.
Apple unlikely to grant a license -- but might make damages claims
Android is also under fire in dozens of federal lawsuits. By my count, there are 49 Android-related infringement suits (federal and ITC). A very prominent one is Oracle's lawsuit against Google, and the judge presiding over that case has raised very serious questions about the possibility of Google's intentional infringement of Java-related intellectual property.
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I don't think its Apple with the problems.. check out some snippets from the link below:
http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/07/itc-judge-finds-htc-in-infringement-of.html
ITC judge finds HTC in infringement of two Apple patents
Google's Android mobile operating system is in serious trouble:
Patents appear to be at the core of Android and are likely infringed by all Android devices
I have looked at those patents before and they appear to be very fundamental. They are very likely to be infringed by code that is at the core of Android.
This could in a worst-case scenario result in an import ban against many or even all Android-based HTC products in the U.S. market.
In a slightly less negative scenario, HTC might have to remove certain functionality from its products, and that could result in a significant or even substantial degradation of the quality of those devices.
Since those patents don't appear to relate to HTC's own extensions of Android but to Android itself, they may affect all of the other makers of Android-based devices. Apple could soon be in a strong position to obtain import bans against dozens of device makers.
Apple unlikely to grant a license -- but might make damages claims
Android is also under fire in dozens of federal lawsuits. By my count, there are 49 Android-related infringement suits (federal and ITC). A very prominent one is Oracle's lawsuit against Google, and the judge presiding over that case has raised very serious questions about the possibility of Google's intentional infringement of Java-related intellectual property.
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As far as HTC goes, they are likely to settle with Apple, paying them god knows how much money, if Apple even accepts an offer like that.
I have read some about the Oracle case, but I haven't really read all about it yet. I'll definitely give that a look.
Also, I would like to thank you for making a productive post that isn't negative, and that actually adds to this discussion.
Well it's not really a surprise here. Every software dev does this kind of thing. They ask patents on certain elements that they know would slow down or make another product less appealing.
Otherwise spending thousands of dollars on patents would be kinda pointless.
And like MS did and does it sues those that so called took there patent without asking or paying. I don't see anything new here. Sure it's again the big companies Apple vs Android but heck those are the 2 biggest players for home usage.
The point of all these lawsuits is:
Try and get money from competition even banning devices
Showcase all features you have but others can't get
Advertise
And for the other company sympathy. Besides ads even if they are bad are always good for sales
And a good lawyer stretches it till it either expires or till they invent something better.
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As far as HTC goes, they are likely to settle with Apple, paying them god knows how much money, if Apple even accepts an offer like that.
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HTC bought S3 recently and Apple has been found infringing on S3 patents. This stupid game works both ways. So there may not be a one-way settlement, but instead a cross-licensing deal.
@Tone_: Apple resorting to patent litigation is because it is them with a problem. Android's growth is much faster than iOS's. And Apple doesn't like that.
Also, it begins, the backlash because of this software patent stupidity: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/appsblog/2011/jul/15/app-developers-withdraw-us-patents <- It's app developers for now, but I'm really, really waiting for the day when hardware makers simply pull out of the US market. Let the US companies sue each other into oblivion, while the saner parts of the world flourish in actually moving things forward.
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As far as HTC goes, they are likely to settle with Apple, paying them god knows how much money, if Apple even accepts an offer like that.
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HTC bought out the rest of S3 and apple infringed them so who knows, would most likely be other Android manufactures that cop it..
http://www.thinq.co.uk/2011/7/4/apple-found-guilty-s3-patent-infringement/
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@Tone_: Apple resorting to patent litigation is because it is them with a problem. Android's growth is much faster than iOS's. And Apple doesn't like that.
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They say there is no smoke without fire also a lot of people buying Android probably could not afford or do not want iphones so Apple probably aren't that worried as its a sale they would not have made.
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They say there is no smoke without fire also a lot of people buying Android probably could not afford or do not want iphones so Apple probably aren't that worried as its a sale they would not have made.
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That's not necessarly true. Before Android, if you wanted a smart phone, you either got a WMP, crapberry, or an iPhone. Most people probably wouldn't want a windows phone. Blackberries were good, but moslty for business people. That leaves iPhone. If Android weren't in the picture, you can bet a lot of people would be getting iPhones.
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That's not necessarly true. Before Android, if you wanted a smart phone, you either got a WMP, crapberry, or an iPhone. Most people probably wouldn't want a windows phone. Blackberries were good, but moslty for business people. That leaves iPhone. If Android weren't in the picture, you can bet a lot of people would be getting iPhones.
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True but I would say wanting rather than getting at the time they were expensive, still are in comparison. All Android sales are not sales lost to Apple as I alluded to earlier.
Apple are probably more bothered about all the taglines the iworshipers love to hear that they can no longer use..
Isn't another selling point of Android the screen size of some devices? I mean alot of people can't type or anything on the iPhones tiny screen
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Isn't another selling point of Android the screen size of some devices? I mean alot of people can't type or anything on the iPhones tiny screen
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I remember going to the Apple store when the iPhone came out to try it. I couldn't type with my sausage thumbs. So I was banned to sliders and flippers until the newer 4.3 Android phones. And now Apple winning against HTC... WTF. Go to hell Apple. I'd rather reactivate my VX8300 than buy a iTurd.
I remember when the iPhone first came out. The only smartphones we had were low-quality, low-tech devices with resistive, un-finger friendly LCDs. The best we had was Treos or other stuff. There were no smartphones with all the tech the iPhone employed at that time. When the iPhone came out, it included all that futuristic tech we all dreamed of but could never get. It was like going from vinyl records to CDs. For you young-uns, that was a huge and exciting step.
The iPhone opened up a whole new world. Here in the US, companies were either too scared or too lazy to make an effort to incorporate solid reliability and high-tech into a smartphone. Then comes Apple. They not only made a world record phone, but made it genuinely reliable and usable. Sure...other companies had smartphones. But they didn't have the simplicity and cleanness and reliability or contain all of the high-end hardware the iPhone contained. Apple did for us consumers what the rest of the industry at that time did not want to do: make a fully developed and reliable smartphone that they (Apple engineers) wanted to use. Apple made a phone that they, themselves, wanted. You don't get that anywhere else in industry. Companies only make what their bean counter, lawyers, committees or shareholders want them to make. The other companies are only interested in putting out just barely good-enough products that will sell. Apple basically said to hell with the committees, lawyers, bean counters and made what they wanted to make. *THAT* is why the iPhone became a world-wide phenomenon. When a company makes something you truly want and wish a company would make, it will sell wildly and take over the world.
That is Apple. The company that did us all good and right and now, because other companies are copying Apple's success, and spreading lies and mis-information about Apple, people hate Apple. Apple gave us all what no other company had the stones to give us. And people are hating them for it. People look at all the smartphones we have now and say Apple's stuff is ****. But they never stop...or are too young to realize...that before the iPhone, the only thing we had was nothing like or as good as an iPhone.
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I remember when the iPhone first came out. The only smartphones we had were low-quality, low-tech devices with resistive, un-finger friendly LCDs. The best we had was Treos or other stuff. There were no smartphones with all the tech the iPhone employed at that time. When the iPhone came out, it included all that futuristic tech we all dreamed of but could never get. It was like going from vinyl records to CDs. For you young-uns, that was a huge and exciting step.
The iPhone opened up a whole new world. Here in the US, companies were either too scared or too lazy to make an effort to incorporate solid reliability and high-tech into a smartphone. Then comes Apple. They not only made a world record phone, but made it genuinely reliable and usable. Sure...other companies had smartphones. But they didn't have the simplicity and cleanness and reliability or contain all of the high-end hardware the iPhone contained. Apple did for us consumers what the rest of the industry at that time did not want to do: make a fully developed and reliable smartphone that they (Apple engineers) wanted to use. Apple made a phone that they, themselves, wanted. You don't get that anywhere else in industry. Companies only make what their bean counter, lawyers, committees or shareholders want them to make. The other companies are only interested in putting out just barely good-enough products that will sell. Apple basically said to hell with the committees, lawyers, bean counters and made what they wanted to make. *THAT* is why the iPhone became a world-wide phenomenon. When a company makes something you truly want and wish a company would make, it will sell wildly and take over the world.
That is Apple. The company that did us all good and right and now, because other companies are copying Apple's success, and spreading lies and mis-information about Apple, people hate Apple. Apple gave us all what no other company had the stones to give us. And people are hating them for it. People look at all the smartphones we have now and say Apple's stuff is ****. But they never stop...or are too young to realize...that before the iPhone, the only thing we had was nothing like or as good as an iPhone.
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Yes, Apple opened the doors to the modern smartphone, but if it wasn't them, someone else would have.
As for Apple as a company, the ONLY thing they did right was the iPhone/pod/pad. Their computers were crappy as hell (WERE). They have done better with computers recently, though not for the price in my opinion. I don't necessarily hate apple, I just think most if their products are way too expensive for my taste (mainly their computers).
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http://pocketnow.com/android/apple-seeks-preliminary-injunction-against-samsung-galaxy-nexus
seriously ? word completion
wtf
really... this apple way really offending me.... why they did not realize good and cheap products instead of sueing everybody they think are market better ranked???
who will they suite now? the nature cause of electron speed in battery charge???
apple wake up!
Word Completion, seriously Apple? They've had that in Windows Mobile since at least 2000 (possibly earlier on Windows CE) and it really wasn't much different from what Apple has on the iPhone today.
More ridiculousness from camp crApple!
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Sigh.
I hope what goes around comes around one day.
I'm waiting for the day when the other OEMs gang up on Apple.
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Sigh.
I hope what goes around comes around one day.
I'm waiting for the day when the other OEMs gang up on Apple.
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The way Apple directly attacked Google it this one, makes the think how long Google will hold out before unleashing Motorola's patents on Apple.
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The way Apple directly attacked Google it this one, makes the think how long Google will hold out before unleashing Motorola's patents on Apple.
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They already would have if the Moto patents were that great. Google isn't dumb enough to sue Apple directly seeing how Android is very much, uh "inspired" by iOS. Take a look at early Android prototypes, they're basically BB clones that suddenly did a 180 after the iPhone launch. Apple has a tremendous first mover advantage, and hold numerous patents pertaining to the iPhone, and they simply defending their IP. The "omg it's so obvious" line that Android fans always throw out there is nonsense, because nothing was stopping other vendors from revolutionizing the industry.
Once somebody invents something, nobody else better even try to make a competing product. Apple will not rest until they are a complete monopoly. There were touch screen phones with Windows Mobile, Palm, etc years before the iPhone. I had no problem with the iPhone in 2007, it had quite a different UI from previous touch screen phones. Android also had a UI quite different from the iPhone when it came out. It had widgets, a notification bar, etc. I'm sure iOS inspired some of Android's UI but thats like saying Yahoo inspired Google.
Its a wonder Google was even allowed to start as a company since there were search engines established years before Google like Yahoo, AltaVista, etc. Its too bad one of them didn't copyright the search button, they could have sued Google out of existence in the late 90s.
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They already would have if the Moto patents were that great. Google isn't dumb enough to sue Apple directly seeing how Android is very much, uh "inspired" by iOS. Take a look at early Android prototypes, they're basically BB clones that suddenly did a 180 after the iPhone launch. Apple has a tremendous first mover advantage, and hold numerous patents pertaining to the iPhone, and they simply defending their IP. The "omg it's so obvious" line that Android fans always throw out there is nonsense, because nothing was stopping other vendors from revolutionizing the industry.
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You know little to nothing. In several courts in Europe apple is losing law suits and in some cases are not allowed to sell their drek. They are constantly attempting to patent things that already exist, and are trying to sue away superior products because they can not compete with the innovation of others. Apple did revolutionize the industry in 2007, and have done nothing but fallen behind since then. Their current product is so devoid of innovation it is embarrassing. They are on average a full calendar year behind the competition, but mindless fanboys, like you choose to ignore it
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Says it all
http://www.androidcentral.com/apple...exus?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
It's time for Google to step in and put a stop to this bull****. The first patent in question is the same one that was upheld against HTC in a move that shocked the tech community at large, essentially giving Apple the rights to the hyperlink --something invented over 20 years ago by numerous companies that aren't Apple.
The other three are just as laughable, or would be if not for the fact that Apple was allowed to secure the patents at all. Every single one of them has existed as prior art long before Apple became relevant, yet a patent was granted each and every time. This is the core of the problem. You can't blame Apple for trying, it's cheaper to litigate away your competition than it is to out-innovate them. And make no mistake -- that's exactly what's going on here. Apple wants Android to go away, and a look at any chart that shows market share will tell you why. It's a ****ty way to get ahead, but it's too easy not to try. It's going to take a tech giant to change the way this all works, and we know nobody can count on Apple or Microsoft to do it, because this is their system, created the way they like it, and making them rich. If Apple is afraid to go after Google, Google needs to go after Apple instead of sitting on their laurels waiting to ride in and save the day at the last minute.
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You know little to nothing. In several courts in Europe apple is losing law suits and in some cases are not allowed to sell their drek. They are constantly attempting to patent things that already exist, and are trying to sue away superior products because they can not compete with the innovation of others. Apple did revolutionize the industry in 2007, and have done nothing but fallen behind since then. Their current product is so devoid of innovation it is embarrassing. They are on average a full calendar year behind the competition, but mindless fanboys, like you choose to ignore it
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What alternate reality do you live in man? Cocaine is a helluva drug I see. Superior products don't get outsold my a 3 year old iPhone 3GS. The top 3 selling smart phones in the US are iPhone 4s, iPhone 4 and iPhone 3GS, which means that a THREE year old phone outsold the "superior" competition. The iPhone also happens to be the top selling smart phone on virtually all carriers in the US and Europe(and likely Asia as well, but I'm not 100% sure on that one). Also, would you care to elaborate on how Apple is a full calendar year behind the competition? Last time I checked the iPhone outsold ALL Android phones combined on both AT&T and Verizon(huge Android backer btw) in the 4th quarter. The facts simply don't support your argument in any way, shape or form.
Britney Spears sold a ton of albums. Does that make her the best musical artist
The features of Ios 5 have been present in other mobile platforms for over a year. Dual core was available long before the 4s. Voice commands have Been around in android since gingerbread
It's simple, apple sells, no doubting that, they just do not innovate. They have not innovated since the first iPhone, **** they do not even offer 4g or 1gb of ram on any of their cell phones
But I am feeding the mindless troll, so I apologize
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forget i even said it.
turdferguson92 said:
iPhones outsell others in certain situations because they are sold refurbished and cheap due to upgrades held within 2-year contracts. For instance, I bought an HTC Aria with AT&T almost 2 years ago. April 4th I qualify for a FREE upgrade to an iPhone 4.
Not everyone purchases their phones full-price and unlocked.
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You're not making any sense, if you had your phone for 2yrs then you qualify for upgrade pricing regardless of the phone. The carrier doesn't care whether you buy an iPhone or Android handset as long as they lock you into a new contract. You're making it sound as if iPhones are the only phones that get a carrier subsidy,which is obviously untrue.
nevermind.
avoiding infraction.
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They already would have if the Moto patents were that great. Google isn't dumb enough to sue Apple directly seeing how Android is very much, uh "inspired" by iOS. Take a look at early Android prototypes, they're basically BB clones that suddenly did a 180 after the iPhone launch. Apple has a tremendous first mover advantage, and hold numerous patents pertaining to the iPhone, and they simply defending their IP. The "omg it's so obvious" line that Android fans always throw out there is nonsense, because nothing was stopping other vendors from revolutionizing the industry.
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Are you sure you don't work for apple as you never address specific issues and only ever criticise with generalisations?
First go look at the motorola patents and you'll see they hold many patents that you cannot have a modern smartphone without using including having a hidden antenna for example. Which, contrary to your claim google would not sue apple over, google authorised motorola to use in a us court case against apple.
As for defending their ip well many of the things they patent and litigate over were stolen. Oh and if you want to talk rip offs look into lg claiming iphone ripped off prada.
Now your "facts" are shown incorrect perhaps you'll start using real facts?
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You're not making any sense, if you had your phone for 2yrs then you qualify for upgrade pricing regardless of the phone. The carrier doesn't care whether you buy an iPhone or Android handset as long as they lock you into a new contract. You're making it sound as if iPhones are the only phones that get a carrier subsidy,which is obviously untrue.
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I hate to say this as its agreeing with you but your right. Most phones do have two year contracts.
However I think your incorrect on subsidies as if I recall correctly iphones are not subsidised.
Iphones sell well due to simplicity, good marketing, fashion and because once you own an apple product your locked into its eco system.
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What alternate reality do you live in man? Cocaine is a helluva drug I see. Superior products don't get outsold my a 3 year old iPhone 3GS. The top 3 selling smart phones in the US are iPhone 4s, iPhone 4 and iPhone 3GS, which means that a THREE year old phone outsold the "superior" competition. The iPhone also happens to be the top selling smart phone on virtually all carriers in the US and Europe(and likely Asia as well, but I'm not 100% sure on that one). Also, would you care to elaborate on how Apple is a full calendar year behind the competition? Last time I checked the iPhone outsold ALL Android phones combined on both AT&T and Verizon(huge Android backer btw) in the 4th quarter. The facts simply don't support your argument in any way, shape or form.
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If course iphone sold more. More iphones are made than any one specific android equivalent. If you were to judge based on operating system not models you will find android out numbers ios.
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Have this debate with my nephew all the time he is locked into the apple echo system and as I say to him they have got him where they want him.....trapped. but I have said this many times on here and it sums apple up
Average product first class marketing
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Have this debate with my nephew all the time he is locked into the apple echo system and as I say to him they have got him where they want him.....trapped. but I have said this many times on here and it sums apple up
Average product first class marketing
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Ok and if you actually bought Android apps then you're locked into Google's ecosystem. The only difference is Android apps are in typically of much lesser quality than iOS(the UI is particularly hideous IMO). I'd rather be locked into Apple's ecosystem with a better selection of quality,malware-free apps so you should really come up with a better argument for your nephew.
http://brianshall.com/content/android-dead
Anyone read this ?
I don't know where to start but suffice to say that his facts are wrong not least the one saying no new android phone can compare to iphone. Pretty sure the quad core sgs3 can.
Also samsungs market share recently overtook apples yet he says apple is way ahead.
Most of the report is factually incorrect opinion not news.
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This is nothing more than opinion and partial facts/ incorrect facts. There is no doubt the iPhone/iPad sell better. There is also little argument that Android missed the mark with their tablets/tablet marketing. But in no way is Android dying.
I would counter this article with how long will iPhone users upgrade to the same exact device with the same non evolving software before they start to get bored? I couldn't bring myself to buy a 4 after my 3g because the device bored the hell out of me. I walked into the Apple store, picked up a 4 and said to myself why in the hell would I lock into two more years, they practically changed nothing.
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I think his numbers are wrong...
I will acknowledge that Android is suffering terribly from the fragmentation issue especially in the arena where consumers want an "appliance" that simply does what it does. I think enthusiasts and developers in the Android world have great fun with all the aspects of tinkering, it appeals to our intelligence that we can fix things, improve things and evolve. Most consumers are not interested in tinkering.
Lol, this is funny.
zharkov said:
I will acknowledge that Android is suffering terribly from the fragmentation issue especially in the arena where consumers want an "appliance" that simply does what it does. I think enthusiasts and developers in the Android world have great fun with all the aspects of tinkering, it appeals to our intelligence that we can fix things, improve things and evolve. Most consumers are not interested in tinkering.
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He hit the nail on the head. The iphone carries the user friendly market, as long as there are techies(men) and those who simply don't follow the crowd android will thrive. I do agree that Google should implement some kind of OS requirements, as many devices that could be running ICS are not, but to the previous comment of I walked in and said this really isn't any different than the 3g...that is pretty much it...apple will be apple, android is at least fresh in this perspective.
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According to Horace Dediu/Asymco, Apple is now taking 73% of the smartphone industry's profits, with Samsung capturing 26%.
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So, what he's saying is that Apple is screwing over the consumer almost 3 times more than the next largest company. Also, is this including the profits Apple gets from app sales, because none of the OEMs that make Android phones profit off of that.
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And that everyone includes Huwai and ZTE, LG and Sony, Motorola, Dell (sorta), HP (I think) and a host of other very large, once-capable companies.
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How do you forget HTC? They are probably the second or third largest seller behind Samsung and possibly Motorola.
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Nobody wants an Android tablet.
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The Kindle Fire is an Android Tablet, as is one of the B&N Nooks, guess no one buys those. The Galaxy Tab 2 7" also seems to be selling well the way it looks. There is an issue with tablets, but it's mainly a price issue, not features. Google and developers are working to solve the app issues.
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Almost no one has the latest version of Android.
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It's at 5% of the market and growing. With 300k new activations daily, that means at least 15k new ICS devices are joining the market every day. Now that OEMs are finishing up the ICS updates, and releasing their new phones/tablets with ICS, that is only going to grow over the next few months.
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The companies that most aggressively marketed the "Android" brand, particularly Motorola and HTC, are floundering. Samsung, you will notice, markets Samsung.
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Yeah, HTC bringing in $2.3 billion in revenue is floundering. Even with profits down, they still made nearly $200 million in profit for the 1st quarter. Given the success of the One series phones, that will probably go up this quarter. And Samsung markets phones for everything, and I'm pretty sure they mention Android for the Android devices.
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App developers continue to make far more money off iOS.
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Because iOS apps cost money, where the same app on Android is free. Android users will pay for apps if they're good, just that usually, there is a free alternative that is just as functional as the paid version.
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Google is *losing* money on Android.
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If they were loosing money so badly on Android, why does it continue to exist?
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The Oracle trial made clear that Android was designed for a small screen with a physical keyboard -- thus, not optimized for the touchscreen revolution.
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Working just fine on my 4.65" touchscreen here. I have more issues typing on the on-screen keyboard of the iPhone than I have with any of my Android devices.
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I seriously doubt any Android device will rival iPhone 4S -- even by the time of the next iPhone.
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I would say the Galaxy Nexus equals the iPhone 4S, and the just announced SGSIII will be the equal of the next iPhone in terms of hardware. Software, it is an apples v. oranges comparison. However, I have seen comparison tests that show it is usually faster or easier to perform simple tasks on the Galaxy Nexus versus the iPhone.
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So, what he's saying is that Apple is screwing over the consumer almost 3 times more than the next largest company. Also, is this including the profits Apple gets from app sales, because none of the OEMs that make Android phones profit off of that.
How do you forget HTC? They are probably the second or third largest seller behind Samsung and possibly Motorola.
The Kindle Fire is an Android Tablet, as is one of the B&N Nooks, guess no one buys those. The Galaxy Tab 2 7" also seems to be selling well the way it looks. There is an issue with tablets, but it's mainly a price issue, not features. Google and developers are working to solve the app issues.
It's at 5% of the market and growing. With 300k new activations daily, that means at least 15k new ICS devices are joining the market every day. Now that OEMs are finishing up the ICS updates, and releasing their new phones/tablets with ICS, that is only going to grow over the next few months.
Yeah, HTC bringing in $2.3 billion in revenue is floundering. Even with profits down, they still made nearly $200 million in profit for the 1st quarter. Given the success of the One series phones, that will probably go up this quarter. And Samsung markets phones for everything, and I'm pretty sure they mention Android for the Android devices.
Because iOS apps cost money, where the same app on Android is free. Android users will pay for apps if they're good, just that usually, there is a free alternative that is just as functional as the paid version.
If they were loosing money so badly on Android, why does it continue to exist?
Working just fine on my 4.65" touchscreen here. I have more issues typing on the on-screen keyboard of the iPhone than I have with any of my Android devices.
I would say the Galaxy Nexus equals the iPhone 4S, and the just announced SGSIII will be the equal of the next iPhone in terms of hardware. Software, it is an apples v. oranges comparison. However, I have seen comparison tests that show it is usually faster or easier to perform simple tasks on the Galaxy Nexus versus the iPhone.
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Unless the next iphone gets larger there's only so much you can shoehorn into a smaller form factor in which case apple customers could start looking elsewhere but as it stands there are a few android phones that could beat iphone including the s3 and optimus lte2.
But if android were dead then samsung lg and htc would all be failing miserably and their not.
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Lol, this is funny.
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Yep, very funny since he's comparing a SO with a phone (hardware vs. software? WTF)
BTW, that a phone is the most sold not mean that phone is the best, only mean that have better marketing. In many countries, iDevice = high social status (what a sh!t, it isn't?).
apple makes software modulated hardware but android makes hardware modulated software the difference is price n precession.......................... the apple is quite costly bt android is not much
apple is secure
android is open
android is flexible
apple is disposable
hell ya.............. android rockzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!
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So, what he's saying is that Apple is screwing over the consumer almost 3 times more than the next largest company. Also, is this including the profits Apple gets from app sales, because none of the OEMs that make Android phones profit off of that.
How do you forget HTC? They are probably the second or third largest seller behind Samsung and possibly Motorola.
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This is one of the more interesting questions. I do believe that Apple revenue of course includes the app sales. Does anybody know more about this point?
And what about HTC? Look here!
sunilkumar.maharana said:
apple makes software modulated hardware but android makes hardware modulated software the difference is price n precession.......................... the apple is quite costly bt android is not much
apple is secure
android is open
android is flexible
apple is disposable
hell ya.............. android rockzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!
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My opinion is that Android is more secure than iOS. It is open-source, so anyone can look at the code (most of it anyway), find issues, fix them, and then submit the fix for inclusion in the next update. There is also SEAndroid being worked on by the same group that does SELinux. Apple is closed source, so when a problem is found, you have to wait for Apple to fix it. You can't tell when the fix will come, or if it will even come. Nor do you have the option to include the fix yourself, as there is no way to patch it without the source to build from.
Isn't the iPhone security able to be easily bypassed by anyone, regardless of the phone being locked or not? Android seems to be the more secure platform for most things from what I've seen, but I'm not a security researcher, so anything is possible.
another idiot Apple fanboy writes a bunch on non-factual nonsense. truth is, he knows Android is killing Apple, and he can't accept it, so instead he puts Android down to make himself feel better about being an iPhone lover. it's a classic example of the most basic human psychology.
let him be a fanboy, and we'll enjoy our amazing platform in peace.
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another idiot Apple fanboy writes a bunch on non-factual nonsense. truth is, he knows Android is killing Apple, and he can't accept it, so instead he puts Android down to make himself feel better about being an iPhone lover. it's a classic example of the most basic human psychology.
let him be a fanboy, and we'll enjoy our amazing platform in peace.
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You said it m8
The funny thing about this...which kind of invalidates everything he says, is that Samsung is running Android. I don't think Samsung has a single phone out right now that isn't Android.
"No one wants an Android tablet" No, it's just that the iPad has a name behind it. If not for that name, it'd be one of the worst selling pads on the market.
I think when the general population talk about the IPHONE they don't think of iOS but the Form factor of the phone. I also think that the general non techie population doesn't really know what Android REALLY is. This why every phone that's not an iPhone is considered a "Droid" to them.
Non techie people are seduced by the shiny and admittingly good design of the iPhone and as long as Facebook and Instagram works on it they are happy and they "love their iphone".
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Wow :what: where to start. The incorrect " facts " . The overt Apple fanboy flare. The way he should've started is by saying, " all the information you are about to given is conjecture and opinion " . Well I guess that's why some people buy, Apple products. Then there are those that think, research, and make the smart choice, Android.
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alunral said:
The funny thing about this...which kind of invalidates everything he says, is that Samsung is running Android. I don't think Samsung has a single phone out right now that isn't Android.
"No one wants an Android tablet" No, it's just that the iPad has a name behind it. If not for that name, it'd be one of the worst selling pads on the market.
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Its not that ipad has a name for itself, its that apple had a name for itself a long time ago. When the iPod came out it was a big hit. It then evolved into the iPod touch, which was alright for a while. Then they made the iPhone. Everyone was already hooked on apples products, thus not giveing android too much of a chance. Except for those who want something different, so they went and got an android. Slowly people are going to leave the iPhone cause they are going to get bored of the same old SH*T. Basicly the iPod is apples reputation. The ios is boring and kinda plain.
Who cares about what sells better? How about what performs better? And I know I would much rather be able to do whatever the hell I want with the phone like customizing, and tweaking the phone to run faster, and not having to pay for everything. And you can't even do anything on the computer without a jailbreak or being annoyingly restricted to iTunes!
IPhone sucks! ANDROID RULES!!!
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This is quite simple to respond to. IPhone is for mainstream users, every friend of mine says iPhone is the best phone until I show them some android devices. We live in a world where all the crap which has an apple on the back is better by the eyes of people that don't even know what the market has to offer.
Another thing is, android is still growing, and iOS has much has it keep evolving, I believe it's pretty much that: a phone with the homescreen full of icons and with no customizing whatsoever; a phone that in my opinion gives a terrible user experience.
I'm no fan of Samsung devices but it's true they're doing a great job on expanding android.
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Hey guys i was just catching up on some news when i come across this article
'If you think Apple competes with Android, you’re wrong' from ZDnet. Here is a little snippet of it
Apple has never done things like other tech companies. Never. They’ve never fallen prey to analyst opinion or competitor bling. Why should they? They’re the innovators, not the imitators. Apple produces the products like they want them to be–not like Android-designers think they should be. Apple builds them and we buy them by the millions. People camp outside of Apple stores and Apple product retailers to ensure that they get a new Apple device. You don’t really see that with Android products.
The reason is that Apple products have what we want and what we don’t even know that we want until we see it. That’s why Apple is the most successful tech company ever.
after reading the entire article i was not too sure about the guys claims.
but if you could read the article and voice me your opinion on it that would be great
here is the link http://www.zdnet.com/blog/consumerization/if-you-think-apple-competes-with-android-youre-wrong/507
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That’s why Apple is the most successful tech company ever.[/I]
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I've always hated that this is seen as "common knowledge". Most profitable? Maybe, but I refuse to see Apple as the most successful company when they are only able to maintain a stable of a few specialized devices without a dominant market share in any field (maybe they dominate the tablet space but there is barely any legitimate competition in that area). I mean look at Motorola or Samsung or any other company that literally has it's hands in EVERYTHING tech. They might not dominate any single area, but they ensure no matter what happens they turn a profit in any way possible.
Having read the entire article it sounds as if the writer is a major ios fan and very biased. The articles only actual fact seems to be that people cue for apple products and that's proof they're great.
If apple don't compete with android why take android os features and put them in ios, why sue the most popular android device manufacturers but only those whose profucts challenge apples?
Apple don't innovate much at all anymore and definitely take note of their rivals.
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I really hate it when Apple's fan girls start reviewing the company and buying their products. The reviewers only say these Apple SO friendly terms, like "It really is resolutionary!" They say that so they will be quoted by Apple.
As for their Fan Girls (a.k.a "Customers"), I find it annoying when you ask, the people that buy only Apple products for their Computers, phones, and tablets, why they bought the iMac over a PC and they say, "Because it was made by Apple so it is obviously better." I mean really? Why!?
ZDnet and Cnet are pretty Apple fanboi heavy, so this isn't surprising at all. The main difference I find between situations with Apple and Android fanbois is that Android enthusiasts tell the fanbois to shut their yappers; very few people who enjoy Apple for what it is tend to shout down the idiots.
There was another article on there not long ago by either that guy or another of their "experts" touting all the reasons that Android just didn't satisfy him, with the main points of contention resulting from him going to Best Buy and saying that Android was somehow at fault for the results of consulting with an unknowledgeable sales member. In short, it is not a site that I trust for anything in the way of editorials.
From the article: "I doubt anyone at Apple says to a coworker, “Hey, dude, did you see my <insert Android-based phone name here>, it has this. We should totally put one of those on the next iPhone.”"
Guess he is unaware of all that iOS 5 and now 6 have blatantly stolen directly from Android and WP. The guy is so clueless it's ridiculous.
Edit: his opening statement shows his lack of grasp on reality. Dinosaurs will die, and to say that a company like Apple doesn't need to worry about competition when Android has the larger market share and it is only increasing is pure idiocy. If guys like that ever sit on the board of any company it is only a matter of time before it inevitably falls apart. It's that kind of thinking that almost destroyed Apple to begin with.
Maybe he's right though and Apple does operate in a vacuum; vacuums are indeed defined by sucking the life out of everything around them.
There is a big difference between true product innovation and marketing hype.
Apple has not innovated as much as that article suggests over the years, they have only utilized smart marketing and community hype to sell their products with very little innovation in their product lines over this time.
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Apple innovation = imitation + litigation + hype.
Just look at the iPad. The only thing about the iPad that is up to par it better than the competitors is the display. And that is the only thing that their advertising blitz talks about. They do not come close anywhere else.
If you put lipstick on a pig tho iFanBoys will line up to buy it.
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The reason is that Apple products have what we want and what we don’t even know that we want until we see it.
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This line makes me laugh. A smartphone user should know exactly what he wants in his product and if he gets more, then it's even better. But according to this line, it makes the writer seem like he wants what Apple wants him to want.
According to the article, Apple has never ever ever taken any ideas from outside. Why should they because they're innovators?
Really??! The writer seems to be unaware of any other technology in the world! Apple didn't invent the mp3 player. Granted, they made a lot of improvements and produced the best selling mp3 player but a majority of the ideas came from other products.
"To worry about the competition is a faux pas"? Then why are they trying to get the Galaxy SIII banned from entering the US. In reality, to not worry about the competition would be the stupidest move any company can take and of course Apple is worried about the competition.
My personal opinion regarding the huge success of Apple is the large user base who keep repeatedly buying Apple products without considering other (Better and cheaper) options, to blindly follow Apple into whatever they do. The writer's clearly reflects this. Another reason is that Apple products are simpler to use and by being so, not easy to customize. This is a big disadvantage for a lot of people, especially gadget freaks. Citing a personal example, I have an iPod 5G and I hated the fact that you could not even change the color theme whereas even cheap mp3 players had that function. I finally ended up putting a custom firmware (Rockbox) on it and was much happier. It even freed me from using iTunes and allowed me to use drag and drop.
My conclusion. The writer is severely misinformed.
Now it's only my thoughts on the issue.
There is always a competition between companies of the same market. I believe there are kinda regulations of that rivacy, I mean there are rules for companies to implement innovations, etc. Fruct corporation had to survive among all those giants of tech world and even go further. But how can they do it? So, they've started breaking those secret rules (here comes their everyday trials and actions from other companies) and moved forward far as they could. As you can see, Samsung, and other giants were ready to lanch their super smartphones and tablets, they did it soon, very soon after after Apple released their ones. So there are many variants on how it works. Some of them:
- Apple breaks rivacy rules
- Other companies just allow Apple do it (as they know, they see what can Apple do and do it the rest. They enter the market, that Apple was not able to win)
- Companies allow apple release their best products and analyse why people don't love fruct features and they give it to those who disappointed with Apple devices.
And many other variats are possible.
But the do! They compete with each other! As they have one marketplace
We never know what they do behind the curtain!!! we just try to be logic and use analytics
I know we all hate on apple, mostly for them being a **** company, but seriously, their stuff is ****.
Okay, it's snappy, and okay, it's nice looking.
But I had to work on a mac for a while, and I can say that without a doubt my PC (that was half that price) is vastly superior. Everything on mac works awful, including their retard son, Safari. Same goes for ipads, iphones, ipods. I just can't understand why someone would overpay for something that is worse.
As for why I had to work on a mac computer - they don't allow ios developers to make apps on anything else. **** company.
apple wins the battle apparently because they are the first to enter the market. Usually the first person enter a certain field wins.
However after a long period of time, many competitors come out with their so called immitation devices, however if apple does not innovate more thing in a field thats others never enter, they will eventually lose to those immitators. Because those immitators shaped by the market.
That guy probably is an iOS fanboy. Apple never imitates..????? LMAO.
It copied the drag down notification bar from Android...and many more..!
Android devices makes a better option because their price is little less than iPhones, iPads etc and performance is far more higher and we can customise the interface, install custom roms etc...!
Most People (not everyone) buy apple devices so that they can show off to others that they can afford such devices.
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Just another Crapple Fanboy voicing out loud for the world to hear how ill informed he is. If Crapple spent as much time " innovating " as they do suing other companies, they might produce half way decent affordable products.
I laughed really hard when I read the word 'Innovation'.
DD-Ripper and prboy1969, I plus +1 both of you.
I think the only reason Crapple has been this successful because they use Unix and think about that, Both Linux and Mac OS (yuch) use Unix as there core language. Hands down though, Linux is far more better because of the fact that it's open sourced. Linux will never die if people are still willing to code it.
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I hate all these Apple addicts out there. They are the most idiotic and annoying "tech" people out there.
Apple releases a new products that is "new" but in reality it's just a revamped product that was out already.
Like the iPad... Tablets have been around for a long time. Just cause Apple decided to bring them back making them thinner, and more idiot friendly doesn't make them as great as they are hyped to be.
I'm sick of all the hype that surrounds Apple's products...
I'm through with my rant now... thanks. lol
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I hate all these Apple addicts out there. They are the most idiotic and annoying "tech" people out there.
Apple releases a new products that is "new" but in reality it's just a revamped product that was out already.
Like the iPad... Tablets have been around for a long time. Just cause Apple decided to bring them back making them thinner, and more idiot friendly doesn't make them as great as they are hyped to be.
I'm sick of all the hype that surrounds Apple's products...
I'm through with my rant now... thanks. lol
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I hate all these Apple addicts out there. They are the most idiotic and annoying "tech" people out there.
Apple releases a new products that is "new" but in reality it's just a revamped product that was out already.
Like the iPad... Tablets have been around for a long time. Just cause Apple decided to bring them back making them thinner, and more idiot friendly doesn't make them as great as they are hyped to be.
I'm sick of all the hype that surrounds Apple's products...
I'm through with my rant now... thanks. lol
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To be fair to Apple making an idiot friendly slim tablet was what made tablets so popular, if it wasn't for them its doubtful we would have the competing android tabs that more tech minded people may prefer and when it debuted it was the best tablet so it did deserve some of the hype.
Apple took a good idea, ironed out the kinks and produced what became the benchmark for modern tablets. It wasn't the first ever tablet but it was the easiest and most user friendly and at the time was innovative.
Now Apple rarely innovate and yet people flock to buy their products but the original ipad was actually innovative and worth some of the hype.
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Right here. This is the type of products apple makes. Like every other person in this thread knows, apple fans dont know why apple products are "better" they just are. Thats because the products are made for these idiots. Why is this better? Uhmmm......cuz i put an S on the end of it. My friend had an encounter with someone who would go far in apple. He had a droid X and wanted a faster phone, so he asked if he wrote X2 on the back it would be faster.
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OMG... That guy is really outrageus.... I added my comment too there into all those -ves which is quoted below... He even reviewed an adroid phone lol.. i have no patience to read it... i have sent same comment to his email n g+ profile... what he is doing there in goole plus rather than camping outside cupertino my god...
'lol.... i feel funny about 'apple operates in a vaccum'. If you can list out their innovations i can feed it into my ever lowering knowledge about apple n their products.. Hope u dont list inventing mobile phone into it.. Reading ur article n the payment u got u may be tempted to do it haha OMG... If apple is not going to balloon their 'small' device near close to current smartphone levels , surely they will be pumped out of scene like nokia gone down...Then by mere lawsuits against CR infringements wont be sufficient to stay in the competition. Didnt they invent their new technology yet to make screen big?
Common man , I would have been really happy if u tried looking at ur own backhole to see how big/small it is, instead of this ********. I'm very sure right now my middle finger on right hand is pointing upwards in front of ur face. This article makes more apple haters which goes against the intention behind it. May be by reading all those above -ve comments apple may take down ur next payment ... hahaha'
It's looking very dim for samsung at this point. My overall observation is how big of a blow would this win if Apple wins be to the Android OS?
http://allthingsd.com/20120806/iphone-caused-crisis-of-design-at-samsung-memo/
Well here is the thing. If they are mainly suing over android features how come apple just does not go after google?
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Well here is the thing. If they are mainly suing over android features how come apple just does not go after google?
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That can't handle that "beast".
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screw apple I love their Macs but they really need to lay off android and stop trying to be the one and only mobile os there is nothing wrong with a little compitition. I will never buy another ios device because off all apples BS
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Mark930 said:
screw apple I love their Macs but they really need to lay off android and stop trying to be the one and only mobile os there is nothing wrong with a little compitition. I will never buy another ios device because off all apples BS
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with all respect to the late Steven P. Jobs, apple had a huge problem with people copying interfaces, and this is more of a Jobs thing.
If you look at the history of the company based in the Jobs biography, it has always had problems with competitors copying them, but seems like this time is the first time that they feel the leverage to pursue legal action.
I for one am seeing this as apple being completely ugly and childish, and it certainly has changed the way that I look at them and their products.
It also doesn't help that Samsung seems hell bent on losing this case. Most things they've done so far have either pissed off the Judge or made themselves look like idiots.
I don't know what street corner they got their lawyers from, but they need to seriously consider getting some new ones.
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It also doesn't help that Samsung seems hell bent on losing this case. Most things they've done so far have either pissed off the Judge or made themselves look like idiots.
I don't know what street corner they got their lawyers from, but they need to seriously consider getting some new ones.
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Perhaps this is a cultural divide.
It seems to me this legal battle is being fought on Apple's home turf.
Of course, I live in the USA.
I believe the justice system is impartial to a certain degree but South Korean companies do business differently (every country does) and their behavior from the get go I would agree seems a little uncouth.
Releasing the images of the prototypes to the media was a bad idea. I haven't kept up on the case as much as I would like but seems they don't get that they should play nice in court.
Mark930 said:
screw apple I love their Macs but they really need to lay off android and stop trying to be the one and only mobile os there is nothing wrong with a little compitition. I will never buy another ios device because off all apples BS
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Last I checked, the US still has anti-monopoly laws in place. Will it deter their dominance quest? Of course not. What can we do? What we already do: support and run Android! Plus, without apple, these forums would be overrun with idiots asking what the extra physical buttons do and demanding to know why they didn't receive a gingerbread and frozen yogurt sandwich covered in jelly beans and cupcake frosting with their device purchase
Super SGS3, Away!!
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stevenjcampbell said:
Perhaps this is a cultural divide.
It seems to me this legal battle is being fought on Apple's home turf.
Of course, I live in the USA.
I believe the justice system is impartial to a certain degree but South Korean companies do business differently (every country does) and their behavior from the get go I would agree seems a little uncouth.
Releasing the images of the prototypes to the media was a bad idea. I haven't kept up on the case as much as I would like but seems they don't get that they should play nice in court.
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I think it was a good idea. Piss off the judge and if she shows that shes pissed and thus bias in court you get a mistrial and can get an easy appeal thus showing that evidence in court.
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I think it was a good idea. Piss off the judge and if she shows that shes pissed and thus bias in court you get a mistrial and can get an easy appeal thus showing that evidence in court.
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I think you are right. This will definitely go to appeal. Chances are that Samsung will get whatever judgement suspended until its worked its way through the system. This case is very hotly contested and I can see it making it to the Supreme Court.
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Well here is the thing. If they are mainly suing over android features how come apple just does not go after google?
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Why is that so damning? All I see is what any CEO should do and that is look at the competition and see what you have to do to compete with them?
I'll bet there is a memo like that in every mobile phone company's CEO email somewhere. You have to look at the competition, especially when they make something so different and game changing, and change directions and you have to communicate that some how.
Yeah, this is looking bad.
They don't sue Google because it's Samsung that allegedly infringed on their patents. They copied the form-factor, they copied the icons. The form-factor is less of an issue - I think they will win on that. A flat touchscreen in a square body is basically the only design you could use for a touch-centric OS. But the icons, and that document that came out today, oh God...
It is depressing that in the gigantic tech space, there really is no company besides Apple that has the user-centric design culture to make what is essentially a perfect device for the vast majority of users. They have copied, and will copy, but the difference is Apple is innovative in a way that Samsung and Google simply are not. Google is too geek-and-tech centric to do what Apple does. They love hacking. They love making phones people can hack. They are like us Android fans, they love customizability, and so they don't pay attention to the details that would make Android a perfect OS for mobile devices, because, in their world they WANT people to customize and add their own flair. They want people to be like them. And a lot of us are like that, we love it. I love it. But that's a minority. Most people want an appliance and a perfectly engineered system to play Angry Birds in.
iOS is designed just as a simple vehicle for launching apps for the most part. Android is designed to be a bit more than that. In any case they chose to use the Microsoft strategy of just getting the OS out there instead of making a device that would be a perfect synergy of hardware and software. And Samsung is just a consumer electronics company, making cookie-cutter devices for the most part. They are trying, I'll admit, but it's all half-assed. S-Voice is almost useless, they bring nothing special to Android with TouchWiz, the gestures are nice but really just gimmicky. And if they do come up with something absolutely original, they need to bring the fight to Apple, who will no doubt copy really useful features like voice-activation for the camera. And they probably won't...
There is no chance of monopoly issues as long as Android is as successful as it is. I remain convinced Android's biggest problem is there are simply not enough developers in the world interested in Android. There are numerous technical and economic reasons why Android does not have the apps and the polished apps we deserve. I fear, just as PC software was essentially Microsoft's domain for so many years, the next 15 years will be defined by the mobile space being iOS' domain. There simply isn't the justification for developers to work on Android as much, just as most PC software development was for Windows, not Macs back in the '90s...
I think Samsung will get hard...maybe it will be enough to startle them into innovation, but frankly, Asian companies do not have a great history of it. The last great consumer device to be invented in Asia was Sony's Walkman, and that was 30 years ago.
Face it, we have PCs. But PCs without the appbase. A few of us are enthusiasts, water-cooling and overclocking and have 3 screens. That's the XDA crowd, the hackers, the ROMers, the developers and themers. But the vast majority of Android users are downmarket folks who couldn't afford an iPhone but wanted to check their email and browse the web.
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Why is that so damning? All I see is what any CEO should do and that is look at the competition and see what you have to do to compete with them?
I'll bet there is a memo like that in every mobile phone company's CEO email somewhere. You have to look at the competition, especially when they make something so different and game changing, and change directions and you have to communicate that some how.
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I agree. Maybe I'm not seeing the context, but it sure just reads like he's pushing his developers to come up with better products, which is what he should be doing.
I understand that my sentiments will belong to the minority here, but the fact that we like certain aspects of android phones better than certain aspects of various iPhones doesn't change Apple's claims.
The court case isn't about a rectangular phone with rounded corners or rounded-square green phone icons, it's about the entirety of the widget. If any one of Apples claims were made on its own, the case would have long since been thrown out. We can't become so jaded by the ubiquity of the iPhone in 2012 to remember how vastly different, unique, and mind blowing it was in 2007. You will see by my profile here that, A) I don't post a whole heck of a lot, B) I was using touch screen XDA devices years before the iPhone came out, and C) after the iPhone came out, I dropped off the face of the xda-developers world. Not because I was an Apple fan-boy... but because they brought a product to market that it took competitors many years to try and catch up with. Phones of that day were slow, the interfaces were buggy and unintuitive. We had never seen a mobile OS interface that was designed from the ground up to be used without a stylus.
While we love to think that swipe to unlock, pinch to zoom and pages of horizontally scrolled square icons, touch screen predictive thumb keyboards are common place and should be fair game for all. I'm thinking that many forgot that there were a couple of years where there was only one show in town with those features.
I currently own a SGS3, I love it, but the very foundation of that phone (and almost all android phones) is built off of the bricks that Apple laid. You want to see someone who didn't wholesale steal the iPhone's groove? Look at Nokia, or Microsoft. (One might also note, that they haven't been doing all that great.) Someone has to be ill informed, disingenuous, or nearly blind to say that the smartphones of today look more like the non-iPhones of 2007 than the iPhone of 2007.
I would love for Apple to be wrong. I love their products, but I love competition better. The fact is, though, that wholesale theft and regurgitation of another company's product is not truly competition. Rather than defending Samsung or cursing Apple, we should be demanding that our devices be more than just half hearted clones.
//signed Devil's Advocate
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I understand that my sentiments will belong to the minority here, but the fact that we like certain aspects of android phones better than certain aspects of various iPhones doesn't change Apple's claims.
The court case isn't about a rectangular phone with rounded corners or rounded-square green phone icons, it's about the entirety of the widget. If any one of Apples claims were made on its own, the case would have long since been thrown out. We can't become so jaded by the ubiquity of the iPhone in 2012 to remember how vastly different, unique, and mind blowing it was in 2007. You will see by my profile here that, A) I don't post a whole heck of a lot, B) I was using touch screen XDA devices years before the iPhone came out, and C) after the iPhone came out, I dropped off the face of the xda-developers world. Not because I was an Apple fan-boy... but because they brought a product to market that it took competitors many years to try and catch up with. Phones of that day were slow, the interfaces were buggy and unintuitive. We had never seen a mobile OS interface that was designed from the ground up to be used without a stylus.
While we love to think that swipe to unlock, pinch to zoom and pages of horizontally scrolled square icons, touch screen predictive thumb keyboards are common place and should be fair game for all. I'm thinking that many forgot that there were a couple of years where there was only one show in town with those features.
I currently own a SGS3, I love it, but the very foundation of that phone (and almost all android phones) is built off of the bricks that Apple laid. You want to see someone who didn't wholesale steal the iPhone's groove? Look at Nokia, or Microsoft. (One might also note, that they haven't been doing all that great.) Someone has to be ill informed, disingenuous, or nearly blind to say that the smartphones of today look more like the non-iPhones of 2007 than the iPhone of 2007.
I would love for Apple to be wrong. I love their products, but I love competition better. The fact is, though, that wholesale theft and regurgitation of another company's product is not truly competition. Rather than defending Samsung or cursing Apple, we should be demanding that our devices be more than just half hearted clones.
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I think calling the S3 a half hearted clone is doing both the Android OS and the strides that Android hardware makers have made over the past several years a disservice. I love competition too. But I also believe it is in full force here. Competition is why the S3 is light years better than my first Android device, the Droid X. Competition is why the S3 is the fastest, smoothest and least buggy Android device I've owned. I agree that the iPhone was a ground breaking device that set the standard for all smartphones. But when I see just how far the Android ecosystem has advanced in just the past two years I can't help but be impressed. Two year ago (July 2010) I waited in line for the Droid X. It had Froyo, which was obviously inferior to iOS 3.0, which was on iPhone devices at that time. I have now moved on to the S3 with ICS. The difference is night and day -- almost beyond compare. This was made possible not only by vast improvements in the Android OS by Google but also because of vast improvements in the hardware designed to run it by smartphone makers such as Samsung and HTC. Also, if you really think the S3 is a half hearted clone, can I ask why you have one, why do you love it and what compelled you to switch from the iPhone? I'm not trying to sarcastic. I really would like to know. Thanks for listening to my two cents.
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I think calling the S3 a half hearted clone is doing both the Android OS and the strides that Android hardware makers have made over the past several years a disservice. I love competition too. But I also believe it is in full force here. Competition is why the S3 is light years better than my first Android device, the Droid X. Competition is why the S3 is the fastest, smoothest and least buggy Android device I've owned. I agree that the iPhone was a ground breaking device that set the standard for all smartphones. But when I see just how far the Android ecosystem has advanced in just the past two years I can't help but be impressed. Two year ago (July 2010) I waited in line for the Droid X. It had Froyo, which was obviously inferior to iOS 3.0, which was on iPhone devices at that time. I have now moved on to the S3 with ICS. The difference is night and day -- almost beyond compare. This was made possible not only by vast improvements in the Android OS by Google but also because of vast improvements in the hardware designed to run it by smartphone makers such as Samsung and HTC. Also, if you really think the S3 is a half hearted clone, can I ask why you have one, why do you love it and what compelled you to switch from the iPhone? I'm not trying to sarcastic. I really would like to know. Thanks for listening to my two cents.
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Absolutely fare questions. I own an Android device because I am inherently a tinkerer. I have had every generation of iPhone with a brief lapse in 2009 when the OG Droid was released. (I say brief because I gave it away after three months.) The interface and primary functionality of iPhones is a well worn path. I decided that I'd like something that I can toy with more. The ability to tinker is not a feather in Samsung's cap, however, rather a more fundamental aspect of the Android core.
It is now 2012. Early Android phones left *a lot* to be desired. Newer devices are more stable and have a few neat features that the iPhone doesn't, yet, have. Would these devices have lasted long enough to say "We've got NFC first" if they hadn't spent four years walking in the iPhones footsteps? I don't think so.
It's really a stupid case in my opinion. I mean, yeah, Samung probably took the iPhone as an example when they developed the Galaxy line. So what? Does Apple want Samsung to make phones shaped in a triangle? Beds have looked pretty much the same bar some details but no-one is complaining about copyright infringement. If something makes an impact as big as the iPhone on society, how is it possible not to think of it when developing a phone after it's release?
I hope Apple wins the software side of the argument so then maybe Samsung will stop puking their TW over android and let Google deal with any legal **** that comes about.