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It really doesn't matter what type of outstanding specs these guys put in the upcoming android phones, Apple's Iphone is the number one phone out there. These manufacturers have forgotten that it was Apple that brought the price of smartphones down drastically. You don't beat the number one product on the market by charging MORE for your product.
Now that Apple is on multiple carriers, Android cannot afford to make such critical mistakes. The recently announced prices on upcoming android devices have made me wait for news on the IPHONE 5. I will pay MORE for the number one phone, but damned if I'm going to pay MORE for a phone that doesn't even receive updates till the next model.
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one...
Yet you come here claiming that the Iphone 4 or yet to be release Iphone 5 is "the number one phone", by who's standard? Sales? Yes, Apple has an outstanding marketing department.
I agree the Iphone "can" be a great phone, once it is jailbroken... But the proprietary of the device will turn others away in these forum. You know your in an Android forum right? Get prepared to be flamed.
I am glad the Iphone is doing well, and I am glad the Iphone is no longer exclusive only to AT$T. Which in turn for us is a great thing. You will see in the upcoming months what Android smartphone has to offer. You'll end up having buyers remorse.
Personally I think you came in trolling and to see what kind of response (negative) you can get. Sad...
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Personally I think you came in trolling and to see what kind of response (negative) you can get. Sad...
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I think ya pretty much nailed it X..
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Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one...
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lmao! XD
anyways, i personally think the quality of apps in apple are way better than in android....but ther's way more customisation in android.....i am a rom-ohlic myself....flash new roms like everyday....android community is way better
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It really doesn't matter what type of outstanding specs these guys put in the upcoming android phones, Apple's Iphone is the number one phone out there. These manufacturers have forgotten that it was Apple that brought the price of smartphones down drastically. You don't beat the number one product on the market by charging MORE for your product.
Now that Apple is on multiple carriers, Android cannot afford to make such critical mistakes. The recently announced prices on upcoming android devices have made me wait for news on the IPHONE 5. I will pay MORE for the number one phone, but damned if I'm going to pay MORE for a phone that doesn't even receive updates till the next model.
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Besides trolling, what are you talking about?
Enjoy being locked into the Apple way and the constant cycle of not updating as you wait for jailbreaks.
And Apple never brought the price of Smartphones down... $199 on contract was the standard price for WinMo phones long before Apple. And they had expandable memory and removable batteries.
I would or could not ever go back to an iphone after owning a quality android phone. There really is no comparison in user experience
Trolling? No way! As I stated in a previous post, my captivate made me return my iPhone 4 TWICE. Actually, my captivate enables me to wait for the iPhone 5 to release, I don't need another phone right now.
I meant that the iPhone 4 is the number one SELLING phone out there. Excuse me for sounding like an Apple fanboy.
Yet, the fact remains, higher priced android devices will help sell more Apple devices.
Correction, my captivate on Cognition 3.04 enables me to wait till summer. I jailbreak iPhones and I flash roms, I'm not a total noob at this.
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Lets wait and see how they "change everything" without making a meaningful change of anything
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Trolling? No way! As I stated in a previous post, my captivate made me return my iPhone 4 TWICE. Actually, my captivate enables me to wait for the iPhone 5 to release, I don't need another phone right now.
I meant that the iPhone 4 is the number one SELLING phone out there. Excuse me for sounding like an Apple fanboy.
Yet, the fact remains, higher priced android devices will help sell more Apple devices.
Correction, my captivate on Cognition 3.04 enables me to wait till summer. I jailbreak iPhones and I flash roms, I'm not a total noob at this.
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You may not be a noob from a tech standpoint but you are from a business aspect. The iPhone outsells because of image. People are sheep - they want something that is spun in a certain way - Apple does the marketing for the one phone product they offer. Android doesn't have that luxury - it has 20 different manufacturers so there is not ONE Android phone to compare to the iPhone.
People buy iPhones because they see ads for one appstore, for one company, etc. it is simple and fits the simple mind. Price has NOTHING to do with it. If it did, no one would buy the higher capacity iPhones. Look at all the people that waited in line to buy the first iPhone - no product reviews, and no subsidy.... where is the price theory there? They buy them today on eBay for $800 - not rational - but supply and demand dictates - along with perception and the idea of being a sheep.
Just like the new commercial knocking Toyota... anyone that has driven a Camry knows that it is a plain boring car - it gets the job done though - but why does everyone buy it when there are better values? Sheep.
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You may not be a noob from a tech standpoint but you are from a business aspect. The iPhone outsells because of image. People are sheep - they want something that is spun in a certain way - Apple does the marketing for the one phone product they offer. Android doesn't have that luxury - it has 20 different manufacturers so there is not ONE Android phone to compare to the iPhone.
People buy iPhones because they see ads for one appstore, for one company, etc. it is simple and fits the simple mind. Price has NOTHING to do with it. If it did, no one would buy the higher capacity iPhones. Look at all the people that waited in line to buy the first iPhone - no product reviews, and no subsidy.... where is the price theory there? They buy them today on eBay for $800 - not rational - but supply and demand dictates - along with perception and the idea of being a sheep.
Just like the new commercial knocking Toyota... anyone that has driven a Camry knows that it is a plain boring car - it gets the job done though - but why does everyone buy it when there are better values? Sheep.
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I agree wholeheartedly.
I think in the coming years we'll see the iphone go the way of the blackberry regardless of its lemming followers. Apple is constantly introducing new OS versions with hardly barely any significant feature changes. When multitasking was introduced, it absolutely destroyed any hint of speed on the iphone 3g. Yet, we've been multitasking with android since introduction on hardware that is just slightly faster.
With every Apple update, the older devices get slower, yet with every android update, devices that can run the update become faster, and more responsive.
Dell2,
In order for Apple to catch back up to Android in terms of innovation and feature-richness, they will have to heavily modify their OS, which in turn will force them to significantly update their hardware. If this happens (or rather, when Steve Jobs stops gracing California's judicial system with his presence every time somebody pulls the same **** on him that he pulled on IBM, and actually gets back to creating new product ideas) you will watch the price of the iphone skyrocket past the Android. When this happens, you will watch sales decline and Apple will drop out of the phone business.
Truth be known, aside from everything that Alphadog has said, the only other reason the iphone made it to 4 is because every electronics manufacturer and their mom started making their products with a proprietary Apple connector. Imagine if they hired a linux guy and started making them with MicroUSB?
oh and for the record I absolutely loathe everything about i(can'tstarthalfthetimeona64bitmachinesofuckloadingyourmusic)tunes.
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I agree wholeheartedly.
I think in the coming years we'll see the iphone go the way of the blackberry regardless of its lemming followers. Apple is constantly introducing new OS versions with hardly barely any significant feature changes. When multitasking was introduced, it absolutely destroyed any hint of speed on the iphone 3g. Yet, we've been multitasking with android since introduction on hardware that is just slightly faster.
With every Apple update, the older devices get slower, yet with every android update, devices that can run the update become faster, and more responsive.
Dell2,
In order for Apple to catch back up to Android in terms of innovation and feature-richness, they will have to heavily modify their OS, which in turn will force them to significantly update their hardware. If this happens (or rather, when Steve Jobs stops gracing California's judicial system with his presence every time somebody pulls the same **** on him that he pulled on IBM, and actually gets back to creating new product ideas) you will watch the price of the iphone skyrocket past the Android. When this happens, you will watch sales decline and Apple will drop out of the phone business.
Truth be known, aside from everything that Alphadog has said, the only other reason the iphone made it to 4 is because every electronics manufacturer and their mom started making their products with a proprietary Apple connector. Imagine if they hired a linux guy and started making them with MicroUSB?
oh and for the record I absolutely loathe everything about i(can'tstarthalfthetimeona64bitmachinesofuckloadingyourmusic)tunes.
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I feel ya on the last line. I think it spends too much time reporting back to steve jobs I have a droidx than an iphone. Sheep just plain sheep.
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Prices of phones outright from Rogers
Iphone 4 16gb- $649
Captivate- $549
X10- $549
Prices of phones on 3 yr contract from Rogers
Iphone4 16gb- $159
Captivate- $99.99
X10- $49.99
How exactly is android powered phones more expensive than the iphone?
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the iOS isn't even the world's leading smartphone platform...I don't think it's ever beaten symbian. android, however, has passed symbian and is now the leading platform.
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You also have to take into account that the iphone is the only phone with ios where as android had dozens of phones. allowing people to pick what works best
Customization > conformity
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With every Apple update, the older devices get slower, yet with every android update, devices that can run the update become faster, and more responsive.
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Unless you own a Cliq XT...
Im waiting for the iphone 5 myself; I have the captivate rooted abd I love it, but I find myself getting bored with the operating system itself; I need something different you know?
I have had the phone since... spetember I think and I love it, but I just use it all of the time and I get a little bored.
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FLAC Vest said:
Im waiting for the iphone 5 myself; I have the captivate rooted abd I love it, but I find myself getting bored with the operating system itself; I need something different you know?
I have had the phone since... spetember I think and I love it, but I just use it all of the time and I get a little bored.
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If you a bored with android you will commit suicide with ios
Sales numbers don't make something better lol microsoft os's are not better than apple os's but out sell them and are the most sold os out there. Not to mention iphone gained popularity way before google released android and just has a huge fan base, plus popularity of the ipod helped out a lot to.
Don't get wrong I'm not bashing the iphone it definitely has a place in the market for people , old people who can't figure stuff out , middle age people who can't figure stuff out , teens cause they have to have what there friends have and noobs in general lol
Open source never gains the popularity that the big company's gain ( Linux for example ) but all power users will tell you the same thing and if you don't know what that is then you definitely belong with your iphone
And for those who get bored with Android, what the hell are you gonna do on an iphone , jail break it lol , get real lol
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Amen to that!!!!!
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I'm sorry but.......
"Shipments of Android-based phones reached 32.9 million in the fourth quarter, while Nokia sold 31 million Symbian phones worldwide. Apple was third, shipping 16.2 million iPhones, while Research In Motion (RIM) sold 14.2 million BlackBerrys. Nokia held on to its lead in global market share with 28 percent
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/01/android-becomes-top-selling-smartphone-platform-worldwide/#ixzz1DJqwKjuR"
With all the bull**** Apple is saying they have patented that Android is copying (such as slide to unlock), I've been thinking... Wouldn't it be great if all Android devices moved to edge-to-edge displays then claimed ownership when Apple ends up doing the same thing?
For that matter, if Android gets rid of physical buttons before Apple there's another thing Android can claim. With Android devices being released all year and Apple devices once annually, Android should start hitting all of the hardware innovations at least 1 quarter before Apple and it will start to appear that Apple is copying Android and EVERYTHING that iOS 5 does is copied is already in use by either Android and/or Windows mobile (you know it's bad when Windows Mobile does something before you).
I'm not really an Apply or Android fanboi. I liked Apple when it offered a superior product and now I like Android because it offers a superior product. I'm an economist-to-be and I hate the monopolization of information. Classic case of humanity holding back humanity. If the last decade has taught us anything it should be that open-source beats EVERYTHING (... eventually... if people like the initial product) Because no company can compete with the entire world being your potential developers.
And yeah, Samsung OBVIOUSLY copies the iPhone. BUT the operating system is superior and that's what people want. The quality of an iPhone hardware (minus ****ty antennas of course) with the freedom of Android.
Apple needs to allow developers the freedom that Android allows and I prey to god that that is why they are hiring all the jailbreakers/jailbreak app developers... because the best thing in the world for Android is a better iPhone.
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With all the bull**** Apple is saying they have patented that Android is copying (such as slide to unlock), I've been thinking... Wouldn't it be great if all Android devices moved to edge-to-edge displays then claimed ownership when Apple ends up doing the same thing?
For that matter, if Android gets rid of physical buttons before Apple there's another thing Android can claim. With Android devices being released all year and Apple devices once annually, Android should start hitting all of the hardware innovations at least 1 quarter before Apple and it will start to appear that Apple is copying Android and EVERYTHING that iOS 5 does is copied is already in use by either Android and/or Windows mobile (you know it's bad when Windows Mobile does something before you).
I'm not really an Apply or Android fanboi. I liked Apple when it offered a superior product and now I like Android because it offers a superior product. I'm an economist-to-be and I hate the monopolization of information. Classic case of humanity holding back humanity. If the last decade has taught us anything it should be that open-source beats EVERYTHING (... eventually... if people like the initial product) Because no company can compete with the entire world being your potential developers.
And yeah, Samsung OBVIOUSLY copies the iPhone. BUT the operating system is superior and that's what people want. The quality of an iPhone hardware (minus ****ty antennas of course) with the freedom of Android.
Apple needs to allow developers the freedom that Android allows and I prey to god that that is why they are hiring all the jailbreakers/jailbreak app developers... because the best thing in the world for Android is a better iPhone.
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That's not true. I own a Samsung phone and other Samsung media devices and from my experience, Samsung doesn't know the first thing about software creation. My Infuse is a joke for reliability and functionality. My P3 and other Samsung MP3 players are horrendous for the UI. My Infuse, though, has been the buggiest and most unreliable smartphone I've owned since my Palm Treo 680.
I have a lot of electronic gadgets, several smartphones among them, and the iPhone 4 has been the most reliable and trouble-free smartphone I've ever owned. It's boring as hell, but it is reliable and the OS is superb.
As far as Apple copying others...are you saying that if a company copied Apple for many years and then Apple implements a feature similar to the company that has been copying Apple and infringing Apple's patents, it's unfair? Where, then, was the the unfairness when the other companies were copying Apple?
By the way, if Samsung wants to put out software as lousy as they are with their Smartphones, I hope Apple does stop them...throughout the world. Samsung's software is second to none for being horrible. Let Apple do us all a favor and put an end to their smartphones until Samsung gets off its high-horse and acknowledges how horrible their software is and then does something effective about remedying it.
What do you mean by the best thing in the world for android is a better iphone?
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What do you mean by the best thing in the world for android is a better iphone?
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Competition breeds innovation. For example, there are plenty of apps that get made for iPhone that are eventually ported over to Android.
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That's not true. I own a Samsung phone and other Samsung media devices and from my experience, Samsung doesn't know the first thing about software creation. My Infuse is a joke for reliability and functionality. My P3 and other Samsung MP3 players are horrendous for the UI. My Infuse, though, has been the buggiest and most unreliable smartphone I've owned since my Palm Treo 680.
I have a lot of electronic gadgets, several smartphones among them, and the iPhone 4 has been the most reliable and trouble-free smartphone I've ever owned. It's boring as hell, but it is reliable and the OS is superb.
As far as Apple copying others...are you saying that if a company copied Apple for many years and then Apple implements a feature similar to the company that has been copying Apple and infringing Apple's patents, it's unfair? Where, then, was the the unfairness when the other companies were copying Apple?
By the way, if Samsung wants to put out software as lousy as they are with their Smartphones, I hope Apple does stop them...throughout the world. Samsung's software is second to none for being horrible. Let Apple do us all a favor and put an end to their smartphones until Samsung gets off its high-horse and acknowledges how horrible their software is and then does something effective about remedying it.
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1) I guess I don't care about sense or touchwiz or motoblur ect. it doesn't matter because with Android I have the freedom to remove it.
2) All Apple has ever done is copy others and clean it up. I guess you can all that innovation if you like and I won't argue. I'm saying that patents in general are bad for innovation and in general it's better for consumers if company A copies all the the things that company B does right and tries to fix all the the things that company B does wrong. That is evolution. I don't think evolution should be illegal. And assuming that Apple hardware and software are better than Samsung's and the phones are priced similarly a rational consumer would never purchase a Samsung phone, and that obviously isn't the case.
Aside from that, I'm 100% sure that Apple infringes upon patents held by numerous other companies. All large corporations do. Most don't go suing everyone when it happens. If Apple thinks they are so much better than Android then just one up Android at every turn and they will always hold more market share.
3) If Samsung is truly that horrible then Apple shouldn't have to sue them. No one would buy their products and they will go out of business.
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That's not true. I own a Samsung phone and other Samsung media devices and from my experience, Samsung doesn't know the first thing about software creation. My Infuse is a joke for reliability and functionality. My P3 and other Samsung MP3 players are horrendous for the UI. My Infuse, though, has been the buggiest and most unreliable smartphone I've owned since my Palm Treo 680.
I have a lot of electronic gadgets, several smartphones among them, and the iPhone 4 has been the most reliable and trouble-free smartphone I've ever owned. It's boring as hell, but it is reliable and the OS is superb.
As far as Apple copying others...are you saying that if a company copied Apple for many years and then Apple implements a feature similar to the company that has been copying Apple and infringing Apple's patents, it's unfair? Where, then, was the the unfairness when the other companies were copying Apple?
By the way, if Samsung wants to put out software as lousy as they are with their Smartphones, I hope Apple does stop them...throughout the world. Samsung's software is second to none for being horrible. Let Apple do us all a favor and put an end to their smartphones until Samsung gets off its high-horse and acknowledges how horrible their software is and then does something effective about remedying it.
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You forget most of us really do not care about the "retail software" in the phone. All the phones that are sold IMHO have real crap for their oem software. That is why we are here. As far as phones go My Galaxy phone has been beyond great in so many ways and is hands down so much better than the Iphone and its ios. People forget that the Galaxy phone was released at the same time of the Iphone 3 and it still outperforms the Iphone 4. So to me, hardware that provides that longevity and flexibility is quite notable
And I love iPhone for reliability just as Apple users love Macs for reliability. I don't care so much for reliability anymore. I care about flexibility & freedom. I don't like that access to 90% of my iPhone is locked off. I don't like a boring screen full of little squares. I'm glad that Apple exists for those people who use to get Viruses once a week on their PCs, I don't plan to ever get a virus on my PC and if I do I know how to fix it. Just like my phone, I know Android takes time to tweak but I like the option to put 1000 hours into my phone to make it what I want it to be but that isn't the point of this thread really. I'm just thinking that two years from now Android will hold all the patents and Apple will regret this petty bull****.
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1) I guess I don't care about sense or touchwiz or motoblur ect. it doesn't matter because with Android I have the freedom to remove it.
2) All Apple has ever done is copy others and clean it up. I guess you can all that innovation if you like and I won't argue. I'm saying that patents in general are bad for innovation and in general it's better for consumers if company A copies all the the things that company B does right and tries to fix all the the things that company B does wrong. That is evolution. I don't think evolution should be illegal. And assuming that Apple hardware and software are better than Samsung's and the phones are priced similarly a rational consumer would never purchase a Samsung phone, and that obviously isn't the case.
Aside from that, I'm 100% sure that Apple infringes upon patents held by numerous other companies. All large corporations do. Most don't go suing everyone when it happens. If Apple thinks they are so much better than Android then just one up Android at every turn and they will always hold more market share.
3) If Samsung is truly that horrible then Apple shouldn't have to sue them. No one would buy their products and they will go out of business.
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Name the things Apple has copied. But don't include the iOS5 notification bar.
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You forget most of us really do not care about the "retail software" in the phone. All the phones that are sold IMHO have real crap for their oem software. That is why we are here. As far as phones go My Galaxy phone has been beyond great in so many ways and is hands down so much better than the Iphone and its ios. People forget that the Galaxy phone was released at the same time of the Iphone 3 and it still outperforms the Iphone 4. So to me, hardware that provides that longevity and flexibility is quite notable
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Not true. My Inspire has outstanding stock ROM. My Focus is perfection...stock. My iPhone is also perfection...stock. The Nexus S I had was excellent. If my Infuse was excellent, I would say so. But it isn't. It's the only phone I've had since my Treo 680 that has been unreliable and troublesome. And I see reports from other users who say their Samsung phones are the worst they ever had.
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Not true. My Inspire has outstanding stock ROM. My Focus is perfection...stock. My iPhone is also perfection...stock. The Nexus S I had was excellent. If my Infuse was excellent, I would say so. But it isn't. It's the only phone I've had since my Treo 680 that has been unreliable and troublesome. And I see reports from other users who say their Samsung phones are the worst they ever had.
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And at least Android offers choices... Many people around here love pure Android and that's fine but I'm glad I have at least 3-5 flavors of Android. Even if I never use more than one of them.
As far as Samsung's phones go. Some say they are the best and others say they are the worst but at least with Android if I don't like Samsung I have alternatives... I don't care for Sense but I'm amazed at how many people I meet who refuse to buy anything but HTC for Sense.
Symbian ftw! Haha.
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Name the things Apple has copied. But don't include the iOS5 notification bar.
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Android
1) Notifications bar
2) Wireless syncing
3) Tabbed browsing
4) Split keyboard
5) Opening apps from the lock screen
6) Air Updates
7) Finally have some half ass widgets in the dropdown menu
8) drop down menu
Blackberry
1) iMessage is completely jacked from blackberry
Windows Mobile
1) Auto upload pictures to facebook/twitter in camera app
And really? Aside from those features, WTF is in iOS 5? They haven't done ANYTHING innovative. And I was planning to get an iPhone 5 all year because I expected them to take everything from Android AND expand and they didn't. They played it safe. And on top of that they have numerous updates all year and ALL they really do is annoy jail breakers.
One could argue that they have all these outdated features being added because they only really expand features once a year, and that may be a great argument but to me it's just another reason to be pissed off at Apple.
"If Apple was honorable... -- not going ballistic over generic features that everyone shares -- no one would bat an eye. But Apple is still the biggest kid in the sandbox, and when it wants to take its ball and go home, it does so with a big public show[,but] Apple running off with someone else's ball isn't a problem at all." - Mike Schuster http://www.minyanville.com/dailyfeed/2011/06/07/apples-ios-5-directly-lifts/
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Android
1) Notifications bar
2) Wireless syncing
3) Tabbed browsing
4) Split keyboard
5) Opening apps from the lock screen
6) Air Updates
7) Finally have some half ass widgets in the dropdown menu
8) drop down menu
Blackberry
1) iMessage is completely jacked from blackberry
Windows Mobile
1) Auto upload pictures to facebook/twitter in camera app
And really? Aside from those features, WTF is in iOS 5? They haven't done ANYTHING innovative. And I was planning to get an iPhone 5 all year because I expected them to take everything from Android AND expand and they didn't. They played it safe. And on top of that they have numerous updates all year and ALL they really do is annoy jail breakers.
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Uhh...iOS5 isn't out yet. What exactly has Apple copied...in the past...like people are ranting about? Android and others have been copying Apple for years. What's the deal?
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Uhh...iOS5 isn't out yet. What exactly has Apple copied...in the past...like people are ranting about? Android and others have been copying Apple for years. What's the deal?
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No one would care if iOS copied Android because as you said many things are copied between the two platforms. The difference being that google/android/samsung/HTC/motorola don't cry and sue for every little tiny aspect of iOS that was copied off of Android. Even Apple fans that I know are sick of how Apple is acting. It's no way to conduct yourself as a leading company in your field.
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Not true. My Inspire has outstanding stock ROM. My Focus is perfection...stock. My iPhone is also perfection...stock. The Nexus S I had was excellent. If my Infuse was excellent, I would say so. But it isn't. It's the only phone I've had since my Treo 680 that has been unreliable and troublesome. And I see reports from other users who say their Samsung phones are the worst they ever had.
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Lot of your infuse rants should be directed towards AT&T. AT&T has ruined just about every stock rom there is in existence.
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Uhh...iOS5 isn't out yet. What exactly has Apple copied...in the past...like people are ranting about? Android and others have been copying Apple for years. What's the deal?
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Well Apple said that Samsung copied their iPad design and there were dozens of tablets YEARS before the iPad with the exact same design. No one sued Apple for using a design already used in the past because it's expected in the industry. A tablet is merely a laptop without a keyboard.
The slide to unlock existed before the iPhone but Apple made it prettier so they think they own it now.
Android at it's core is much much different than iOS. The apps are the same obviously but the apps are not made by Apple or Android. They are made by the users and you know what? Blackberry had apps long before the iPhone existed.
Apple stole a lot of great ideas from a lot of other companies and made it partially open source called it innovation (iOS & Android would both be worthless if it weren't for all the app developers) and I'm glad they did it... I just don't think they have the right to sue people now for doing the very thing they did once upon a time.
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Lot of your infuse rants should be directed towards AT&T. AT&T has ruined just about every stock rom there is in existence.
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+1
AT&T ruins lots of great things.... =/
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Uhh...iOS5 isn't out yet. What exactly has Apple copied...in the past...like people are ranting about? Android and others have been copying Apple for years. What's the deal?
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Apple doesn't copy? Nokia and blackberry were on the block playing smartphone before apple made it cool to have one. I still see apple users shoving their products literally in other peoples faces saying look at me! look at me! The only truly innovative thing, besides making capacitive ui's very functional, is their marketing. Apples marketing has made most of their user base tools and fools. The rest actually need a smartphone and probably would jump ship to android or windows if that was the necessary flavor of their lifestyle/work. Apple equates to about as generic as you can get.
I voided my warranty and your mum.
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Apple doesn't copy? Nokia and blackberry were on the block playing smartphone before apple made it cool to have one. I still see apple users shoving their products literally in other peoples faces saying look at me! look at me! The only truly innovative thing, besides making capacitive ui's very functional, is their marketing. Apples marketing has made most of their user base tools and fools. The rest actually need a smartphone and probably would jump ship to android or windows if that was the necessary flavor of their lifestyle/work. Apple equates to about as generic as you can get.
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Exactly. Apple merely popularized something that existed long before the iPhone and because they popularized it they seem to think that all of their "innovations" were unique and original concepts but it is quite the contrary and the average person doesn't know any better.
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Exactly. Apple merely popularized something that existed long before the iPhone and because they popularized it they seem to think that all of their "innovations" were unique and original concepts but it is quite the contrary and the average person doesn't know any better.
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i would definitely credit them for the idea of ecosystem being driven by appstore and itunes. In terms of device and overall layout, I've had similar layouts on my winmo devices for years prior to the iphone release
http://brianshall.com/content/android-dead
Anyone read this ?
I don't know where to start but suffice to say that his facts are wrong not least the one saying no new android phone can compare to iphone. Pretty sure the quad core sgs3 can.
Also samsungs market share recently overtook apples yet he says apple is way ahead.
Most of the report is factually incorrect opinion not news.
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This is nothing more than opinion and partial facts/ incorrect facts. There is no doubt the iPhone/iPad sell better. There is also little argument that Android missed the mark with their tablets/tablet marketing. But in no way is Android dying.
I would counter this article with how long will iPhone users upgrade to the same exact device with the same non evolving software before they start to get bored? I couldn't bring myself to buy a 4 after my 3g because the device bored the hell out of me. I walked into the Apple store, picked up a 4 and said to myself why in the hell would I lock into two more years, they practically changed nothing.
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I think his numbers are wrong...
I will acknowledge that Android is suffering terribly from the fragmentation issue especially in the arena where consumers want an "appliance" that simply does what it does. I think enthusiasts and developers in the Android world have great fun with all the aspects of tinkering, it appeals to our intelligence that we can fix things, improve things and evolve. Most consumers are not interested in tinkering.
Lol, this is funny.
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I will acknowledge that Android is suffering terribly from the fragmentation issue especially in the arena where consumers want an "appliance" that simply does what it does. I think enthusiasts and developers in the Android world have great fun with all the aspects of tinkering, it appeals to our intelligence that we can fix things, improve things and evolve. Most consumers are not interested in tinkering.
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He hit the nail on the head. The iphone carries the user friendly market, as long as there are techies(men) and those who simply don't follow the crowd android will thrive. I do agree that Google should implement some kind of OS requirements, as many devices that could be running ICS are not, but to the previous comment of I walked in and said this really isn't any different than the 3g...that is pretty much it...apple will be apple, android is at least fresh in this perspective.
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According to Horace Dediu/Asymco, Apple is now taking 73% of the smartphone industry's profits, with Samsung capturing 26%.
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So, what he's saying is that Apple is screwing over the consumer almost 3 times more than the next largest company. Also, is this including the profits Apple gets from app sales, because none of the OEMs that make Android phones profit off of that.
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And that everyone includes Huwai and ZTE, LG and Sony, Motorola, Dell (sorta), HP (I think) and a host of other very large, once-capable companies.
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How do you forget HTC? They are probably the second or third largest seller behind Samsung and possibly Motorola.
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Nobody wants an Android tablet.
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The Kindle Fire is an Android Tablet, as is one of the B&N Nooks, guess no one buys those. The Galaxy Tab 2 7" also seems to be selling well the way it looks. There is an issue with tablets, but it's mainly a price issue, not features. Google and developers are working to solve the app issues.
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Almost no one has the latest version of Android.
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It's at 5% of the market and growing. With 300k new activations daily, that means at least 15k new ICS devices are joining the market every day. Now that OEMs are finishing up the ICS updates, and releasing their new phones/tablets with ICS, that is only going to grow over the next few months.
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The companies that most aggressively marketed the "Android" brand, particularly Motorola and HTC, are floundering. Samsung, you will notice, markets Samsung.
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Yeah, HTC bringing in $2.3 billion in revenue is floundering. Even with profits down, they still made nearly $200 million in profit for the 1st quarter. Given the success of the One series phones, that will probably go up this quarter. And Samsung markets phones for everything, and I'm pretty sure they mention Android for the Android devices.
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App developers continue to make far more money off iOS.
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Because iOS apps cost money, where the same app on Android is free. Android users will pay for apps if they're good, just that usually, there is a free alternative that is just as functional as the paid version.
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Google is *losing* money on Android.
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If they were loosing money so badly on Android, why does it continue to exist?
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The Oracle trial made clear that Android was designed for a small screen with a physical keyboard -- thus, not optimized for the touchscreen revolution.
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Working just fine on my 4.65" touchscreen here. I have more issues typing on the on-screen keyboard of the iPhone than I have with any of my Android devices.
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I seriously doubt any Android device will rival iPhone 4S -- even by the time of the next iPhone.
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I would say the Galaxy Nexus equals the iPhone 4S, and the just announced SGSIII will be the equal of the next iPhone in terms of hardware. Software, it is an apples v. oranges comparison. However, I have seen comparison tests that show it is usually faster or easier to perform simple tasks on the Galaxy Nexus versus the iPhone.
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So, what he's saying is that Apple is screwing over the consumer almost 3 times more than the next largest company. Also, is this including the profits Apple gets from app sales, because none of the OEMs that make Android phones profit off of that.
How do you forget HTC? They are probably the second or third largest seller behind Samsung and possibly Motorola.
The Kindle Fire is an Android Tablet, as is one of the B&N Nooks, guess no one buys those. The Galaxy Tab 2 7" also seems to be selling well the way it looks. There is an issue with tablets, but it's mainly a price issue, not features. Google and developers are working to solve the app issues.
It's at 5% of the market and growing. With 300k new activations daily, that means at least 15k new ICS devices are joining the market every day. Now that OEMs are finishing up the ICS updates, and releasing their new phones/tablets with ICS, that is only going to grow over the next few months.
Yeah, HTC bringing in $2.3 billion in revenue is floundering. Even with profits down, they still made nearly $200 million in profit for the 1st quarter. Given the success of the One series phones, that will probably go up this quarter. And Samsung markets phones for everything, and I'm pretty sure they mention Android for the Android devices.
Because iOS apps cost money, where the same app on Android is free. Android users will pay for apps if they're good, just that usually, there is a free alternative that is just as functional as the paid version.
If they were loosing money so badly on Android, why does it continue to exist?
Working just fine on my 4.65" touchscreen here. I have more issues typing on the on-screen keyboard of the iPhone than I have with any of my Android devices.
I would say the Galaxy Nexus equals the iPhone 4S, and the just announced SGSIII will be the equal of the next iPhone in terms of hardware. Software, it is an apples v. oranges comparison. However, I have seen comparison tests that show it is usually faster or easier to perform simple tasks on the Galaxy Nexus versus the iPhone.
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Unless the next iphone gets larger there's only so much you can shoehorn into a smaller form factor in which case apple customers could start looking elsewhere but as it stands there are a few android phones that could beat iphone including the s3 and optimus lte2.
But if android were dead then samsung lg and htc would all be failing miserably and their not.
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Yep, very funny since he's comparing a SO with a phone (hardware vs. software? WTF)
BTW, that a phone is the most sold not mean that phone is the best, only mean that have better marketing. In many countries, iDevice = high social status (what a sh!t, it isn't?).
apple makes software modulated hardware but android makes hardware modulated software the difference is price n precession.......................... the apple is quite costly bt android is not much
apple is secure
android is open
android is flexible
apple is disposable
hell ya.............. android rockzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!
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So, what he's saying is that Apple is screwing over the consumer almost 3 times more than the next largest company. Also, is this including the profits Apple gets from app sales, because none of the OEMs that make Android phones profit off of that.
How do you forget HTC? They are probably the second or third largest seller behind Samsung and possibly Motorola.
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This is one of the more interesting questions. I do believe that Apple revenue of course includes the app sales. Does anybody know more about this point?
And what about HTC? Look here!
sunilkumar.maharana said:
apple makes software modulated hardware but android makes hardware modulated software the difference is price n precession.......................... the apple is quite costly bt android is not much
apple is secure
android is open
android is flexible
apple is disposable
hell ya.............. android rockzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!
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My opinion is that Android is more secure than iOS. It is open-source, so anyone can look at the code (most of it anyway), find issues, fix them, and then submit the fix for inclusion in the next update. There is also SEAndroid being worked on by the same group that does SELinux. Apple is closed source, so when a problem is found, you have to wait for Apple to fix it. You can't tell when the fix will come, or if it will even come. Nor do you have the option to include the fix yourself, as there is no way to patch it without the source to build from.
Isn't the iPhone security able to be easily bypassed by anyone, regardless of the phone being locked or not? Android seems to be the more secure platform for most things from what I've seen, but I'm not a security researcher, so anything is possible.
another idiot Apple fanboy writes a bunch on non-factual nonsense. truth is, he knows Android is killing Apple, and he can't accept it, so instead he puts Android down to make himself feel better about being an iPhone lover. it's a classic example of the most basic human psychology.
let him be a fanboy, and we'll enjoy our amazing platform in peace.
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another idiot Apple fanboy writes a bunch on non-factual nonsense. truth is, he knows Android is killing Apple, and he can't accept it, so instead he puts Android down to make himself feel better about being an iPhone lover. it's a classic example of the most basic human psychology.
let him be a fanboy, and we'll enjoy our amazing platform in peace.
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You said it m8
The funny thing about this...which kind of invalidates everything he says, is that Samsung is running Android. I don't think Samsung has a single phone out right now that isn't Android.
"No one wants an Android tablet" No, it's just that the iPad has a name behind it. If not for that name, it'd be one of the worst selling pads on the market.
I think when the general population talk about the IPHONE they don't think of iOS but the Form factor of the phone. I also think that the general non techie population doesn't really know what Android REALLY is. This why every phone that's not an iPhone is considered a "Droid" to them.
Non techie people are seduced by the shiny and admittingly good design of the iPhone and as long as Facebook and Instagram works on it they are happy and they "love their iphone".
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Wow :what: where to start. The incorrect " facts " . The overt Apple fanboy flare. The way he should've started is by saying, " all the information you are about to given is conjecture and opinion " . Well I guess that's why some people buy, Apple products. Then there are those that think, research, and make the smart choice, Android.
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The funny thing about this...which kind of invalidates everything he says, is that Samsung is running Android. I don't think Samsung has a single phone out right now that isn't Android.
"No one wants an Android tablet" No, it's just that the iPad has a name behind it. If not for that name, it'd be one of the worst selling pads on the market.
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Its not that ipad has a name for itself, its that apple had a name for itself a long time ago. When the iPod came out it was a big hit. It then evolved into the iPod touch, which was alright for a while. Then they made the iPhone. Everyone was already hooked on apples products, thus not giveing android too much of a chance. Except for those who want something different, so they went and got an android. Slowly people are going to leave the iPhone cause they are going to get bored of the same old SH*T. Basicly the iPod is apples reputation. The ios is boring and kinda plain.
Who cares about what sells better? How about what performs better? And I know I would much rather be able to do whatever the hell I want with the phone like customizing, and tweaking the phone to run faster, and not having to pay for everything. And you can't even do anything on the computer without a jailbreak or being annoyingly restricted to iTunes!
IPhone sucks! ANDROID RULES!!!
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This is quite simple to respond to. IPhone is for mainstream users, every friend of mine says iPhone is the best phone until I show them some android devices. We live in a world where all the crap which has an apple on the back is better by the eyes of people that don't even know what the market has to offer.
Another thing is, android is still growing, and iOS has much has it keep evolving, I believe it's pretty much that: a phone with the homescreen full of icons and with no customizing whatsoever; a phone that in my opinion gives a terrible user experience.
I'm no fan of Samsung devices but it's true they're doing a great job on expanding android.
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1st off, My house is an android powered house and I love the platform. It is only after months of being around my girlfriend and her family as they used android, that I started to really put a finer point on why so many people prefer other OS's (yes i understand Android is grabbing up market share like crazy). this is my thoughts after watching people I know use and leave android, use and struggle with android, and use and love android.
1st off, a list of the things that aren't google fault per say, but pit falls due to there lack of control over the final product.
#1) battery life. Due to varying hardware design and the freedom to do as you please to the OS, manufactures have made some phones with really bad battery life. this coupled with the constant updating a android device can do for any apps and the increase in popularity of cloud service, android ends up with wildly varying battery life from device to device.
#2) Consistency. If someone had a Verizon "droid", they could be using a Sense UI, a moto blur UI, or vanilla android. That's just in that one "brand of phone" alone. People dont adapt well to tech if they aren't big tech fans.
#3 quality of hardware, and I'm not talking about specs. Most consumers only judge the internals on how smooth the final product is. No, I'm talking about, build materials and the screen. There is some junk out there (allot of them have great internals). some of these phones are built like toys with race car parts inside them.
Now for where google is falling short.
#1 marketing. This is amazing to me that an Advertising company would fall short here but they do. Google ads focus on strange things like the ability to unlock your bootloader. Most people have no idea what this means and why they should care. They probably shouldn't care since they will never hack there phones.
also, every time Apple comes out with an "I" product ad, they are doing a real good job of showing how there "new feature" will make your life more fun and allot easier. The funny thing is, they are almost always features that android already had.
This is one of the things I really started to notice as I was surrounded by the non tech savvy android users. I would say, "funny, android already does that, has for a while now". My girlfriend would then ask, "does my phone do that?". Wow Google, you should be the master and telling people about all the selling points of your product.
#2 ease of use. This one may also be an issue with the carriers but I am going to put it in this section. One of the things I again noticed as I helped my girlfriend master here Nexus S 4G was, weird quirks that are not even a stumbling block to a Tech savvy user but almost a deal breaker to the average consumer.
Example: when my girlfriend 1st got here nexus, she hated it, couldn't believe I recommended it. One of her issues that stuck in my mind was the SMS limit. She hated that the SMS would cap her before she was done texing a message. She didnt care if it sent as two messages but she wanted to be able to type one continues message and then send it, letting the software sort it out. So I said, no problem, my phone doesn't do that (galaxy nexus) so there must be a deep setting to control this. As it turns out there wasn't, at least I couldn't find it. So again, I said no problem and down loaded handsent witch fixed the problem and she loved the easy theming. Well along came here ICS update that I had been raving about and her phone started crashing. Turns out handsent was the reason. Again, I said, no problem and downloaded Go SMS witch she loves even more.
That's just one example, in the mean time, 4 people in her family have switched from android to I Phones and don't regret it. I feel that one of them was mainly due to the hardware they chose and the rest is because they didn't have the live in tech help that my girlfriend has ( don't mean that to sound arrogant). My girlfriend loves her phone partly because I fix each issue as it arises and inform her of cool features.
Conclusion: I really think that the the lack of consistency is the other side of the open source double edged sword. this shows it self in software and hardware. It can be as small as the order in witch the bottom buttons appear, and as big as the Sense UI that changes everything a little bit. I also feel that no one besides Verizon in the early days, is really advertising Android well. Even Verizon doesn't do as good of a job showing you how much the phones can do and why you should want these features as Apple does.
Oddly I aggree with most of that, esp the marketing, you know I just found out just how good google voice was the other day... I have had android phones now for 3 years... Lol.
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funny you should bring up google voice. That was one of the things that I was thinking about when it comes to advertising short comings. It has been a great feature and a solid performer and now with Jellybean, it has every function of Siri, with the performance level I have come to expect from Google voice.
google needs to talk about it in plain English with every day examples of implementation
All of those faults/cons/criticisms can be attributed to just about any device/thing/object/concept that endorses an open-ended nature. The one off the top of my head that fits the OP's bill nearly word for word is Windows (technically Windows is closed-source). The Playstation 3 is a similar concept too. It's got all the nice bells and tech but its advertising sucks.
Google doesn't need to do any advertising, but rather the respective manufacturers. They're the ones that should be selling what Android does for their phones and why people should choose their phones over the others. If there are feature discrepancies from one phone to the other, the manufacturers should work to get those features implemented, that's the real strength of open-source software. It helps a lot if a manufacturer works together with their modding community to make it happen, which in turns makes your product/device more competitive and play on that.
Google caters to the developers because that's what Google is: a developer. That's why Google has their own line of phones: Nexus. Their phones are catered to the developers and well...us XDA'ers. They do a good job at advertising where it matters: recent one being their own conference just a week ago. If it reassures the OP: the rumor that Google plans to expand the Nexus line to more manufacturers is a good thing for us XDAers and friends of XDAers.
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All of those faults/cons/criticisms can be attributed to just about any device/thing/object/concept that endorses an open-ended nature. The one off the top of my head that fits the OP's bill nearly word for word is Windows (technically Windows is closed-source). The Playstation 3 is a similar concept too. It's got all the nice bells and tech but its advertising sucks.
Google doesn't need to do any advertising, but rather the respective manufacturers. They're the ones that should be selling what Android does for their phones and why people should choose their phones over the others. If there are feature discrepancies from one phone to the other, the manufacturers should work to get those features implemented, that's the real strength of open-source software. It helps a lot if a manufacturer works together with their modding community to make it happen, which in turns makes your product/device more competitive and play on that.
Google caters to the developers because that's what Google is: a developer. That's why Google has their own line of phones: Nexus. Their phones are catered to the developers and well...us XDA'ers. They do a good job at advertising where it matters: recent one being their own conference just a week ago.
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1st off, other companies doing it too, its not a reason to ignore said issue. Also, windows is taking steps to correct the hardware issue and make there OS consistent (for example)
If you think google doesn't "have to" advertise, I guess your right but even companies like 3M who sells many products to OEM's that then sell to the end user (like google) advertise to further there brand and promote the use of there products by OEM's. Also, 3M knows more about the products than any one OEM that uses there products, not to mention, the OEM's that use 3M consider 3M to be one of the reasons there product is good, and will not focus on key points of the 3M element.
Also, look at gorilla glass from corning, another product that isn't sold direct to the end user. They do there own advertising to promote there product and increase brand recognition to better sell there product.
I also disagree that google is a developer selling to developers only. Google nexus 7 is a perfect example of that. The nexus 7 tab is meant to further the "play store" brand, and is being sold at a vary low price point in the hopes that play store sales will make up for it just like the Kindle. I also don't think the Galaxy Nexus is a "developer device" at least, not exclusively.
So does google have to, no. Should they want to, yes.
What would you have Google advertise about that other companies should be doing in their stead? Google has brand recognition already and it's pretty clear by Google I/O that their intended audience isn't the Apple crowd: so who else would there be to advertise to? If the Apple crowd is whom you're referring to: that should be Samsung, HTC, Sony's job to do. What can Google do to help those manufacturers sell their features to the consumer that those companies aren't already doing themselves?
This is where we are going to disagree. Google has brand recognition but Android has far less. Verizon, did the best job and now the "droid" brand has more recognition than "android", many times "droid" is used and the general brand for all android by consumers. I don't think Google should depend on hardware companies to advertise there product. Even windows advertises there software. The OEM's should ALSO advertise but not ONLY advertise.
Advertising that the Galaxy nexus has a "unlockable" boot loader is un needed and doesnt further the brand. 98% of the people who want a unlocked boot loader, knew the galaxy nexus had one before the ad hit the streets.
The fact that apple fans are oviusly not googles target market is or should be false (proven by samsung). Google should be polishing there OS so that more of apple users would be interested. Google will not be able to continue on for ever just appealing to a small market such as the XDA community. OEM's will abandon them if that was the case. Look at the OEM's and there behavior, they are not interested in selling phones to the developer community only, otherwise Motorola would not lock there phones down as they did, or at least they would offer developers unlock tools like HTC has done. HTC is a little more "developer marketed" but lets be real, they still drag there feet when ever they can or feel pressure from the big 3.
That leads me to the Carrier's, they do not want to sell phones marketed to developers that are easily hacked and modded. they want control. Google should want to sell the most units they can within reason. This means helping the developer community with there goals and helping the OEM's and Carrier's with there's. Google should be (and I think they are) trying to make android more marketable to the masses and then lead that marketing campaign by example.
Its like that old saying, "alone with your principles". You can stand here and say that the OEM's should do all the advertising but it doesn't change the fact that they aren't doing what needs to be done and google need to sell product that is dependent on the platform. They are an advertising company so do they sit back and hope HTC and Samsung start talking more about there product and doing more to show how it will improve our lives or should they step in and show the OEM's how its done, at the same time increasing the value of there products
I think a lot of your issues are going to be solved for the mainstream with more Nexus devices rolling out. The other great thing is that as more people start looking at Nexus flexibility and timely updates the more other OEMs will be forced to follow suit if they want to stay viable. It seems Sony and to some extent HTC and Samsung are pretty serious about both the hardware and update side of things so anyone else will just have to play catch-up.
As a whole though some of these things will continue to persist. One of the draws of Android devices is having smartphone abilities without ridiculous cost. There will always be people who want the goodies but don't have a lot of extra funds and those devices will simply be a little behind the curve. With the optimizations coming via Jellybean though OEMs won't have the excuse of claiming that newer versions are too complex for older phones and I would hope that they continue to push updates for a reasonable period.
Stupid post. Why? Because you have no clue what android is. Android is an open source operating system. OEM's take android, and just so you know, they don't need google's consent, and manipulate it the way they want to put on their hardware. Google has no say in what they do to it, how they arrange their buttons, or the UI that they add to it. So your post is more directed at OEM's than google.
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Stupid post. Why? Because you have no clue what android is. Android is an open source operating system. OEM's take android, and just so you know, they don't need google's consent, and manipulate it the way they want to put on their hardware. Google has no say in what they do to it, how they arrange their buttons, or the UI that they add to it. So your post is more directed at OEM's than google.
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if you read my post you would have seen I acknowledge that some of these issues are a side effect of open source. They do in fact charge for the "gaps" suite. all hardware sold with gaps on it has paid licensing to Google.
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if you read my post you would have seen I acknowledge that some of these issues are a side effect of open source. They do in fact charge for the "gaps" suite. all hardware sold with gaps on it has paid licensing to Google.
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So? Google gets no say in how they manipulate the OS. I mean seriously...battery life? How the f*** could that be a google issue?
I spesificly said that wasn't Google's fault, but a short coming of open source
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I spesificly said that wasn't Google's fault, but a short coming of open source
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Sounds like you need an Iphone..
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Sounds like you need an Iphone..
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So I have to love it and ignore any and all short coming or be crusified? Ok sounds like a page from apple fanboyism
here, since you will not read the whole thing before commenting, i will post the part you seemed to miss
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1st off, a list of the things that aren't google fault per say, but pit falls due to there lack of control over the final product.
#1) battery life.
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1st off, My house is an android powered house and I love the platform. It is only after months of being around my girlfriend and her family as they used android, that I started to really put a finer point on why so many people prefer other OS's (yes i understand Android is grabbing up market share like crazy). this is my thoughts after watching people I know use and leave android, use and struggle with android, and use and love android.
1st off, a list of the things that aren't google fault per say, but pit falls due to there lack of control over the final product.
#1) battery life. Due to varying hardware design and the freedom to do as you please to the OS, manufactures have made some phones with really bad battery life. this coupled with the constant updating a android device can do for any apps and the increase in popularity of cloud service, android ends up with wildly varying battery life from device to device.
#2) Consistency. If someone had a Verizon "droid", they could be using a Sense UI, a moto blur UI, or vanilla android. That's just in that one "brand of phone" alone. People dont adapt well to tech if they aren't big tech fans.
#3 quality of hardware, and I'm not talking about specs. Most consumers only judge the internals on how smooth the final product is. No, I'm talking about, build materials and the screen. There is some junk out there (allot of them have great internals). some of these phones are built like toys with race car parts inside them.
Now for where google is falling short.
#1 marketing. This is amazing to me that an Advertising company would fall short here but they do. Google ads focus on strange things like the ability to unlock your bootloader. Most people have no idea what this means and why they should care. They probably shouldn't care since they will never hack there phones.
also, every time Apple comes out with an "I" product ad, they are doing a real good job of showing how there "new feature" will make your life more fun and allot easier. The funny thing is, they are almost always features that android already had.
This is one of the things I really started to notice as I was surrounded by the non tech savvy android users. I would say, "funny, android already does that, has for a while now". My girlfriend would then ask, "does my phone do that?". Wow Google, you should be the master and telling people about all the selling points of your product.
#2 ease of use. This one may also be an issue with the carriers but I am going to put it in this section. One of the things I again noticed as I helped my girlfriend master here Nexus S 4G was, weird quirks that are not even a stumbling block to a Tech savvy user but almost a deal breaker to the average consumer.
Example: when my girlfriend 1st got here nexus, she hated it, couldn't believe I recommended it. One of her issues that stuck in my mind was the SMS limit. She hated that the SMS would cap her before she was done texing a message. She didnt care if it sent as two messages but she wanted to be able to type one continues message and then send it, letting the software sort it out. So I said, no problem, my phone doesn't do that (galaxy nexus) so there must be a deep setting to control this. As it turns out there wasn't, at least I couldn't find it. So again, I said no problem and down loaded handsent witch fixed the problem and she loved the easy theming. Well along came here ICS update that I had been raving about and her phone started crashing. Turns out handsent was the reason. Again, I said, no problem and downloaded Go SMS witch she loves even more.
That's just one example, in the mean time, 4 people in her family have switched from android to I Phones and don't regret it. I feel that one of them was mainly due to the hardware they chose and the rest is because they didn't have the live in tech help that my girlfriend has ( don't mean that to sound arrogant). My girlfriend loves her phone partly because I fix each issue as it arises and inform her of cool features.
Conclusion: I really think that the the lack of consistency is the other side of the open source double edged sword. this shows it self in software and hardware. It can be as small as the order in witch the bottom buttons appear, and as big as the Sense UI that changes everything a little bit. I also feel that no one besides Verizon in the early days, is really advertising Android well. Even Verizon doesn't do as good of a job showing you how much the phones can do and why you should want these features as Apple does.
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Ok let me help you out.
#2: Actually, Droid branding is owned by motorola, therefore they will only be using blur UI.
Marketing: Google is not in the business of advertising an OEM's phone. That is up to the OEM and the OEM only.
Ease of use: Apple owns a patent that breaks up the long text AFTER it is typed. Therefore, it would be illegal for Android to use it. Example invalid.
Conclusion: Verizon sucks.
You really did not point out 1 thing that google has control over in your whole post.
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Stupid post. Why? Because you have no clue what android is. Android is an open source operating system. OEM's take android, and just so you know, they don't need google's consent, and manipulate it the way they want to put on their hardware. Google has no say in what they do to it, how they arrange their buttons, or the UI that they add to it. So your post is more directed at OEM's than google.
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http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/03/14/android-isnt-really-open-its-just-less-closed-than-apple/
Google only cares about advertising (and like to snoop in on what you do, say, what you buy, where you shop, visit, etc... ) of course.
But they do have pretty good control over Android.
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Ok let me help you out.
#2: Actually, Droid branding is owned by motorola, therefore they will only be using blur UI.
Marketing: Google is not in the business of advertising an OEM's phone. That is up to the OEM and the OEM only.
Ease of use: Apple owns a patent that breaks up the long text AFTER it is typed. Therefore, it would be illegal for Android to use it. Example invalid.
Conclusion: Verizon sucks.
You really did not point out 1 thing that google has control over in your whole post.
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1st off, "droid" always running blur was not the point and incorrect. Verizon owns the "droid" name, as it is licensed to them by Lucus Industries. hence the HTC phones under that same brand name. I was commenting on the superior advertizing and Branding that Verizon did. The Droid 1 was a great vanilla phone that did well in a large part, due to advertizing. The verizon campain made "droid" a household name, more so than "Android".
2nd google can advertise features and the OS without advertising a specifice peice of hardware, windows does it all the time. Also, since google does have Google branded harware (nexus), they are in the hardware biz and should advertize aas such.
"Verizon sucks" based on what I can only emagin was your reasoning for this statement, I'm sure all major cariers "suck, not really the point here. Out of all the cariers, Verizon, furthered the android the most in the last 3 years out of anyone. Only now is Samsung beging to be the leader in promoting the android platform.
I agree with you on this, anyone who ask me what phone to get, i personally recommend iPhone UNLESS the guy knows his stuff, i myself LOVE android, been using it for 3 years now but i am software developer and very much familiar with kernels and bootloaders and and and , someone was aksing me the other day, since Android has much bigger marketshare, why everything comes out for iPhone first?
answer is simple, as a developer making things for iPhone is sooooo much easier, you only have "ONE" screen dimension to worry about, you only got 3-4 phones to worry about which 90% of them are similar, now compare this with android phones !!!
and last as everyone mentioned is advertising, personally i think google and all manufacturers do a HORRIBLE job promoting , remember when iCloud came out? nothing new really, just another DropBox, but Apple made such a big deal about it, everyone was AMAZED !!! same with siri, and so many other things,
Personally i think iPhone WORKS, its great for people who dont think outside the box, they want something that WORKS and thats it, they like to be TOLD what to do, how to use your phone , and they follow it.
Android is for thone who like to explore, install custom ROMs , play with OC/UV , etc.
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remember when iCloud came out? nothing new really, just another DropBox, but Apple made such a big deal about it, everyone was AMAZED !!! same with siri, and so many other things
thats another real good example of, others were 1st but Apple advertizes better
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I actually came from a blackberry, where in convention they make and market their devices.
When I switched to android now essentially Samsung was giving me their flavour of what they call android through Touchwiz and I really hated it.
Google should really take sometime to ensure manufacturers aren't dumbing down the platform for consumers and give users a clear overview of how it can serve them. Which is exactly what Google does with its Nexus.
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It's looking very dim for samsung at this point. My overall observation is how big of a blow would this win if Apple wins be to the Android OS?
http://allthingsd.com/20120806/iphone-caused-crisis-of-design-at-samsung-memo/
Well here is the thing. If they are mainly suing over android features how come apple just does not go after google?
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Well here is the thing. If they are mainly suing over android features how come apple just does not go after google?
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That can't handle that "beast".
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screw apple I love their Macs but they really need to lay off android and stop trying to be the one and only mobile os there is nothing wrong with a little compitition. I will never buy another ios device because off all apples BS
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Mark930 said:
screw apple I love their Macs but they really need to lay off android and stop trying to be the one and only mobile os there is nothing wrong with a little compitition. I will never buy another ios device because off all apples BS
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with all respect to the late Steven P. Jobs, apple had a huge problem with people copying interfaces, and this is more of a Jobs thing.
If you look at the history of the company based in the Jobs biography, it has always had problems with competitors copying them, but seems like this time is the first time that they feel the leverage to pursue legal action.
I for one am seeing this as apple being completely ugly and childish, and it certainly has changed the way that I look at them and their products.
It also doesn't help that Samsung seems hell bent on losing this case. Most things they've done so far have either pissed off the Judge or made themselves look like idiots.
I don't know what street corner they got their lawyers from, but they need to seriously consider getting some new ones.
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It also doesn't help that Samsung seems hell bent on losing this case. Most things they've done so far have either pissed off the Judge or made themselves look like idiots.
I don't know what street corner they got their lawyers from, but they need to seriously consider getting some new ones.
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Perhaps this is a cultural divide.
It seems to me this legal battle is being fought on Apple's home turf.
Of course, I live in the USA.
I believe the justice system is impartial to a certain degree but South Korean companies do business differently (every country does) and their behavior from the get go I would agree seems a little uncouth.
Releasing the images of the prototypes to the media was a bad idea. I haven't kept up on the case as much as I would like but seems they don't get that they should play nice in court.
Mark930 said:
screw apple I love their Macs but they really need to lay off android and stop trying to be the one and only mobile os there is nothing wrong with a little compitition. I will never buy another ios device because off all apples BS
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Last I checked, the US still has anti-monopoly laws in place. Will it deter their dominance quest? Of course not. What can we do? What we already do: support and run Android! Plus, without apple, these forums would be overrun with idiots asking what the extra physical buttons do and demanding to know why they didn't receive a gingerbread and frozen yogurt sandwich covered in jelly beans and cupcake frosting with their device purchase
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Perhaps this is a cultural divide.
It seems to me this legal battle is being fought on Apple's home turf.
Of course, I live in the USA.
I believe the justice system is impartial to a certain degree but South Korean companies do business differently (every country does) and their behavior from the get go I would agree seems a little uncouth.
Releasing the images of the prototypes to the media was a bad idea. I haven't kept up on the case as much as I would like but seems they don't get that they should play nice in court.
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I think it was a good idea. Piss off the judge and if she shows that shes pissed and thus bias in court you get a mistrial and can get an easy appeal thus showing that evidence in court.
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I think it was a good idea. Piss off the judge and if she shows that shes pissed and thus bias in court you get a mistrial and can get an easy appeal thus showing that evidence in court.
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I think you are right. This will definitely go to appeal. Chances are that Samsung will get whatever judgement suspended until its worked its way through the system. This case is very hotly contested and I can see it making it to the Supreme Court.
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Well here is the thing. If they are mainly suing over android features how come apple just does not go after google?
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Why is that so damning? All I see is what any CEO should do and that is look at the competition and see what you have to do to compete with them?
I'll bet there is a memo like that in every mobile phone company's CEO email somewhere. You have to look at the competition, especially when they make something so different and game changing, and change directions and you have to communicate that some how.
Yeah, this is looking bad.
They don't sue Google because it's Samsung that allegedly infringed on their patents. They copied the form-factor, they copied the icons. The form-factor is less of an issue - I think they will win on that. A flat touchscreen in a square body is basically the only design you could use for a touch-centric OS. But the icons, and that document that came out today, oh God...
It is depressing that in the gigantic tech space, there really is no company besides Apple that has the user-centric design culture to make what is essentially a perfect device for the vast majority of users. They have copied, and will copy, but the difference is Apple is innovative in a way that Samsung and Google simply are not. Google is too geek-and-tech centric to do what Apple does. They love hacking. They love making phones people can hack. They are like us Android fans, they love customizability, and so they don't pay attention to the details that would make Android a perfect OS for mobile devices, because, in their world they WANT people to customize and add their own flair. They want people to be like them. And a lot of us are like that, we love it. I love it. But that's a minority. Most people want an appliance and a perfectly engineered system to play Angry Birds in.
iOS is designed just as a simple vehicle for launching apps for the most part. Android is designed to be a bit more than that. In any case they chose to use the Microsoft strategy of just getting the OS out there instead of making a device that would be a perfect synergy of hardware and software. And Samsung is just a consumer electronics company, making cookie-cutter devices for the most part. They are trying, I'll admit, but it's all half-assed. S-Voice is almost useless, they bring nothing special to Android with TouchWiz, the gestures are nice but really just gimmicky. And if they do come up with something absolutely original, they need to bring the fight to Apple, who will no doubt copy really useful features like voice-activation for the camera. And they probably won't...
There is no chance of monopoly issues as long as Android is as successful as it is. I remain convinced Android's biggest problem is there are simply not enough developers in the world interested in Android. There are numerous technical and economic reasons why Android does not have the apps and the polished apps we deserve. I fear, just as PC software was essentially Microsoft's domain for so many years, the next 15 years will be defined by the mobile space being iOS' domain. There simply isn't the justification for developers to work on Android as much, just as most PC software development was for Windows, not Macs back in the '90s...
I think Samsung will get hard...maybe it will be enough to startle them into innovation, but frankly, Asian companies do not have a great history of it. The last great consumer device to be invented in Asia was Sony's Walkman, and that was 30 years ago.
Face it, we have PCs. But PCs without the appbase. A few of us are enthusiasts, water-cooling and overclocking and have 3 screens. That's the XDA crowd, the hackers, the ROMers, the developers and themers. But the vast majority of Android users are downmarket folks who couldn't afford an iPhone but wanted to check their email and browse the web.
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Why is that so damning? All I see is what any CEO should do and that is look at the competition and see what you have to do to compete with them?
I'll bet there is a memo like that in every mobile phone company's CEO email somewhere. You have to look at the competition, especially when they make something so different and game changing, and change directions and you have to communicate that some how.
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I agree. Maybe I'm not seeing the context, but it sure just reads like he's pushing his developers to come up with better products, which is what he should be doing.
I understand that my sentiments will belong to the minority here, but the fact that we like certain aspects of android phones better than certain aspects of various iPhones doesn't change Apple's claims.
The court case isn't about a rectangular phone with rounded corners or rounded-square green phone icons, it's about the entirety of the widget. If any one of Apples claims were made on its own, the case would have long since been thrown out. We can't become so jaded by the ubiquity of the iPhone in 2012 to remember how vastly different, unique, and mind blowing it was in 2007. You will see by my profile here that, A) I don't post a whole heck of a lot, B) I was using touch screen XDA devices years before the iPhone came out, and C) after the iPhone came out, I dropped off the face of the xda-developers world. Not because I was an Apple fan-boy... but because they brought a product to market that it took competitors many years to try and catch up with. Phones of that day were slow, the interfaces were buggy and unintuitive. We had never seen a mobile OS interface that was designed from the ground up to be used without a stylus.
While we love to think that swipe to unlock, pinch to zoom and pages of horizontally scrolled square icons, touch screen predictive thumb keyboards are common place and should be fair game for all. I'm thinking that many forgot that there were a couple of years where there was only one show in town with those features.
I currently own a SGS3, I love it, but the very foundation of that phone (and almost all android phones) is built off of the bricks that Apple laid. You want to see someone who didn't wholesale steal the iPhone's groove? Look at Nokia, or Microsoft. (One might also note, that they haven't been doing all that great.) Someone has to be ill informed, disingenuous, or nearly blind to say that the smartphones of today look more like the non-iPhones of 2007 than the iPhone of 2007.
I would love for Apple to be wrong. I love their products, but I love competition better. The fact is, though, that wholesale theft and regurgitation of another company's product is not truly competition. Rather than defending Samsung or cursing Apple, we should be demanding that our devices be more than just half hearted clones.
//signed Devil's Advocate
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I understand that my sentiments will belong to the minority here, but the fact that we like certain aspects of android phones better than certain aspects of various iPhones doesn't change Apple's claims.
The court case isn't about a rectangular phone with rounded corners or rounded-square green phone icons, it's about the entirety of the widget. If any one of Apples claims were made on its own, the case would have long since been thrown out. We can't become so jaded by the ubiquity of the iPhone in 2012 to remember how vastly different, unique, and mind blowing it was in 2007. You will see by my profile here that, A) I don't post a whole heck of a lot, B) I was using touch screen XDA devices years before the iPhone came out, and C) after the iPhone came out, I dropped off the face of the xda-developers world. Not because I was an Apple fan-boy... but because they brought a product to market that it took competitors many years to try and catch up with. Phones of that day were slow, the interfaces were buggy and unintuitive. We had never seen a mobile OS interface that was designed from the ground up to be used without a stylus.
While we love to think that swipe to unlock, pinch to zoom and pages of horizontally scrolled square icons, touch screen predictive thumb keyboards are common place and should be fair game for all. I'm thinking that many forgot that there were a couple of years where there was only one show in town with those features.
I currently own a SGS3, I love it, but the very foundation of that phone (and almost all android phones) is built off of the bricks that Apple laid. You want to see someone who didn't wholesale steal the iPhone's groove? Look at Nokia, or Microsoft. (One might also note, that they haven't been doing all that great.) Someone has to be ill informed, disingenuous, or nearly blind to say that the smartphones of today look more like the non-iPhones of 2007 than the iPhone of 2007.
I would love for Apple to be wrong. I love their products, but I love competition better. The fact is, though, that wholesale theft and regurgitation of another company's product is not truly competition. Rather than defending Samsung or cursing Apple, we should be demanding that our devices be more than just half hearted clones.
//signed Devil's Advocate
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I think calling the S3 a half hearted clone is doing both the Android OS and the strides that Android hardware makers have made over the past several years a disservice. I love competition too. But I also believe it is in full force here. Competition is why the S3 is light years better than my first Android device, the Droid X. Competition is why the S3 is the fastest, smoothest and least buggy Android device I've owned. I agree that the iPhone was a ground breaking device that set the standard for all smartphones. But when I see just how far the Android ecosystem has advanced in just the past two years I can't help but be impressed. Two year ago (July 2010) I waited in line for the Droid X. It had Froyo, which was obviously inferior to iOS 3.0, which was on iPhone devices at that time. I have now moved on to the S3 with ICS. The difference is night and day -- almost beyond compare. This was made possible not only by vast improvements in the Android OS by Google but also because of vast improvements in the hardware designed to run it by smartphone makers such as Samsung and HTC. Also, if you really think the S3 is a half hearted clone, can I ask why you have one, why do you love it and what compelled you to switch from the iPhone? I'm not trying to sarcastic. I really would like to know. Thanks for listening to my two cents.
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kishin14 said:
I think calling the S3 a half hearted clone is doing both the Android OS and the strides that Android hardware makers have made over the past several years a disservice. I love competition too. But I also believe it is in full force here. Competition is why the S3 is light years better than my first Android device, the Droid X. Competition is why the S3 is the fastest, smoothest and least buggy Android device I've owned. I agree that the iPhone was a ground breaking device that set the standard for all smartphones. But when I see just how far the Android ecosystem has advanced in just the past two years I can't help but be impressed. Two year ago (July 2010) I waited in line for the Droid X. It had Froyo, which was obviously inferior to iOS 3.0, which was on iPhone devices at that time. I have now moved on to the S3 with ICS. The difference is night and day -- almost beyond compare. This was made possible not only by vast improvements in the Android OS by Google but also because of vast improvements in the hardware designed to run it by smartphone makers such as Samsung and HTC. Also, if you really think the S3 is a half hearted clone, can I ask why you have one, why do you love it and what compelled you to switch from the iPhone? I'm not trying to sarcastic. I really would like to know. Thanks for listening to my two cents.
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Absolutely fare questions. I own an Android device because I am inherently a tinkerer. I have had every generation of iPhone with a brief lapse in 2009 when the OG Droid was released. (I say brief because I gave it away after three months.) The interface and primary functionality of iPhones is a well worn path. I decided that I'd like something that I can toy with more. The ability to tinker is not a feather in Samsung's cap, however, rather a more fundamental aspect of the Android core.
It is now 2012. Early Android phones left *a lot* to be desired. Newer devices are more stable and have a few neat features that the iPhone doesn't, yet, have. Would these devices have lasted long enough to say "We've got NFC first" if they hadn't spent four years walking in the iPhones footsteps? I don't think so.
It's really a stupid case in my opinion. I mean, yeah, Samung probably took the iPhone as an example when they developed the Galaxy line. So what? Does Apple want Samsung to make phones shaped in a triangle? Beds have looked pretty much the same bar some details but no-one is complaining about copyright infringement. If something makes an impact as big as the iPhone on society, how is it possible not to think of it when developing a phone after it's release?
I hope Apple wins the software side of the argument so then maybe Samsung will stop puking their TW over android and let Google deal with any legal **** that comes about.