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Apple Seeks Preliminary Injunction Against Samsung Galaxy Nexus

http://pocketnow.com/android/apple-seeks-preliminary-injunction-against-samsung-galaxy-nexus
seriously ? word completion
wtf

really... this apple way really offending me.... why they did not realize good and cheap products instead of sueing everybody they think are market better ranked???
who will they suite now? the nature cause of electron speed in battery charge???
apple wake up!

Word Completion, seriously Apple? They've had that in Windows Mobile since at least 2000 (possibly earlier on Windows CE) and it really wasn't much different from what Apple has on the iPhone today.

More ridiculousness from camp crApple!
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Sigh.
I hope what goes around comes around one day.
I'm waiting for the day when the other OEMs gang up on Apple.

I Am Marino said:
Sigh.
I hope what goes around comes around one day.
I'm waiting for the day when the other OEMs gang up on Apple.
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The way Apple directly attacked Google it this one, makes the think how long Google will hold out before unleashing Motorola's patents on Apple.

nejc121 said:
The way Apple directly attacked Google it this one, makes the think how long Google will hold out before unleashing Motorola's patents on Apple.
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They already would have if the Moto patents were that great. Google isn't dumb enough to sue Apple directly seeing how Android is very much, uh "inspired" by iOS. Take a look at early Android prototypes, they're basically BB clones that suddenly did a 180 after the iPhone launch. Apple has a tremendous first mover advantage, and hold numerous patents pertaining to the iPhone, and they simply defending their IP. The "omg it's so obvious" line that Android fans always throw out there is nonsense, because nothing was stopping other vendors from revolutionizing the industry.

Once somebody invents something, nobody else better even try to make a competing product. Apple will not rest until they are a complete monopoly. There were touch screen phones with Windows Mobile, Palm, etc years before the iPhone. I had no problem with the iPhone in 2007, it had quite a different UI from previous touch screen phones. Android also had a UI quite different from the iPhone when it came out. It had widgets, a notification bar, etc. I'm sure iOS inspired some of Android's UI but thats like saying Yahoo inspired Google.
Its a wonder Google was even allowed to start as a company since there were search engines established years before Google like Yahoo, AltaVista, etc. Its too bad one of them didn't copyright the search button, they could have sued Google out of existence in the late 90s.

alex2792 said:
They already would have if the Moto patents were that great. Google isn't dumb enough to sue Apple directly seeing how Android is very much, uh "inspired" by iOS. Take a look at early Android prototypes, they're basically BB clones that suddenly did a 180 after the iPhone launch. Apple has a tremendous first mover advantage, and hold numerous patents pertaining to the iPhone, and they simply defending their IP. The "omg it's so obvious" line that Android fans always throw out there is nonsense, because nothing was stopping other vendors from revolutionizing the industry.
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You know little to nothing. In several courts in Europe apple is losing law suits and in some cases are not allowed to sell their drek. They are constantly attempting to patent things that already exist, and are trying to sue away superior products because they can not compete with the innovation of others. Apple did revolutionize the industry in 2007, and have done nothing but fallen behind since then. Their current product is so devoid of innovation it is embarrassing. They are on average a full calendar year behind the competition, but mindless fanboys, like you choose to ignore it
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Says it all
http://www.androidcentral.com/apple...exus?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
It's time for Google to step in and put a stop to this bull****. The first patent in question is the same one that was upheld against HTC in a move that shocked the tech community at large, essentially giving Apple the rights to the hyperlink --something invented over 20 years ago by numerous companies that aren't Apple.
The other three are just as laughable, or would be if not for the fact that Apple was allowed to secure the patents at all. Every single one of them has existed as prior art long before Apple became relevant, yet a patent was granted each and every time. This is the core of the problem. You can't blame Apple for trying, it's cheaper to litigate away your competition than it is to out-innovate them. And make no mistake -- that's exactly what's going on here. Apple wants Android to go away, and a look at any chart that shows market share will tell you why. It's a ****ty way to get ahead, but it's too easy not to try. It's going to take a tech giant to change the way this all works, and we know nobody can count on Apple or Microsoft to do it, because this is their system, created the way they like it, and making them rich. If Apple is afraid to go after Google, Google needs to go after Apple instead of sitting on their laurels waiting to ride in and save the day at the last minute.
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You know little to nothing. In several courts in Europe apple is losing law suits and in some cases are not allowed to sell their drek. They are constantly attempting to patent things that already exist, and are trying to sue away superior products because they can not compete with the innovation of others. Apple did revolutionize the industry in 2007, and have done nothing but fallen behind since then. Their current product is so devoid of innovation it is embarrassing. They are on average a full calendar year behind the competition, but mindless fanboys, like you choose to ignore it
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What alternate reality do you live in man? Cocaine is a helluva drug I see. Superior products don't get outsold my a 3 year old iPhone 3GS. The top 3 selling smart phones in the US are iPhone 4s, iPhone 4 and iPhone 3GS, which means that a THREE year old phone outsold the "superior" competition. The iPhone also happens to be the top selling smart phone on virtually all carriers in the US and Europe(and likely Asia as well, but I'm not 100% sure on that one). Also, would you care to elaborate on how Apple is a full calendar year behind the competition? Last time I checked the iPhone outsold ALL Android phones combined on both AT&T and Verizon(huge Android backer btw) in the 4th quarter. The facts simply don't support your argument in any way, shape or form.

Britney Spears sold a ton of albums. Does that make her the best musical artist
The features of Ios 5 have been present in other mobile platforms for over a year. Dual core was available long before the 4s. Voice commands have Been around in android since gingerbread
It's simple, apple sells, no doubting that, they just do not innovate. They have not innovated since the first iPhone, **** they do not even offer 4g or 1gb of ram on any of their cell phones
But I am feeding the mindless troll, so I apologize
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forget i even said it.

turdferguson92 said:
iPhones outsell others in certain situations because they are sold refurbished and cheap due to upgrades held within 2-year contracts. For instance, I bought an HTC Aria with AT&T almost 2 years ago. April 4th I qualify for a FREE upgrade to an iPhone 4.
Not everyone purchases their phones full-price and unlocked.
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You're not making any sense, if you had your phone for 2yrs then you qualify for upgrade pricing regardless of the phone. The carrier doesn't care whether you buy an iPhone or Android handset as long as they lock you into a new contract. You're making it sound as if iPhones are the only phones that get a carrier subsidy,which is obviously untrue.

nevermind.
avoiding infraction.

alex2792 said:
They already would have if the Moto patents were that great. Google isn't dumb enough to sue Apple directly seeing how Android is very much, uh "inspired" by iOS. Take a look at early Android prototypes, they're basically BB clones that suddenly did a 180 after the iPhone launch. Apple has a tremendous first mover advantage, and hold numerous patents pertaining to the iPhone, and they simply defending their IP. The "omg it's so obvious" line that Android fans always throw out there is nonsense, because nothing was stopping other vendors from revolutionizing the industry.
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Are you sure you don't work for apple as you never address specific issues and only ever criticise with generalisations?
First go look at the motorola patents and you'll see they hold many patents that you cannot have a modern smartphone without using including having a hidden antenna for example. Which, contrary to your claim google would not sue apple over, google authorised motorola to use in a us court case against apple.
As for defending their ip well many of the things they patent and litigate over were stolen. Oh and if you want to talk rip offs look into lg claiming iphone ripped off prada.
Now your "facts" are shown incorrect perhaps you'll start using real facts?
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alex2792 said:
You're not making any sense, if you had your phone for 2yrs then you qualify for upgrade pricing regardless of the phone. The carrier doesn't care whether you buy an iPhone or Android handset as long as they lock you into a new contract. You're making it sound as if iPhones are the only phones that get a carrier subsidy,which is obviously untrue.
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I hate to say this as its agreeing with you but your right. Most phones do have two year contracts.
However I think your incorrect on subsidies as if I recall correctly iphones are not subsidised.
Iphones sell well due to simplicity, good marketing, fashion and because once you own an apple product your locked into its eco system.
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alex2792 said:
What alternate reality do you live in man? Cocaine is a helluva drug I see. Superior products don't get outsold my a 3 year old iPhone 3GS. The top 3 selling smart phones in the US are iPhone 4s, iPhone 4 and iPhone 3GS, which means that a THREE year old phone outsold the "superior" competition. The iPhone also happens to be the top selling smart phone on virtually all carriers in the US and Europe(and likely Asia as well, but I'm not 100% sure on that one). Also, would you care to elaborate on how Apple is a full calendar year behind the competition? Last time I checked the iPhone outsold ALL Android phones combined on both AT&T and Verizon(huge Android backer btw) in the 4th quarter. The facts simply don't support your argument in any way, shape or form.
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If course iphone sold more. More iphones are made than any one specific android equivalent. If you were to judge based on operating system not models you will find android out numbers ios.
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Have this debate with my nephew all the time he is locked into the apple echo system and as I say to him they have got him where they want him.....trapped. but I have said this many times on here and it sums apple up
Average product first class marketing
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combat goofwing said:
Have this debate with my nephew all the time he is locked into the apple echo system and as I say to him they have got him where they want him.....trapped. but I have said this many times on here and it sums apple up
Average product first class marketing
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Ok and if you actually bought Android apps then you're locked into Google's ecosystem. The only difference is Android apps are in typically of much lesser quality than iOS(the UI is particularly hideous IMO). I'd rather be locked into Apple's ecosystem with a better selection of quality,malware-free apps so you should really come up with a better argument for your nephew.

Android is dead ?

http://brianshall.com/content/android-dead
Anyone read this ?

I don't know where to start but suffice to say that his facts are wrong not least the one saying no new android phone can compare to iphone. Pretty sure the quad core sgs3 can.
Also samsungs market share recently overtook apples yet he says apple is way ahead.
Most of the report is factually incorrect opinion not news.
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This is nothing more than opinion and partial facts/ incorrect facts. There is no doubt the iPhone/iPad sell better. There is also little argument that Android missed the mark with their tablets/tablet marketing. But in no way is Android dying.
I would counter this article with how long will iPhone users upgrade to the same exact device with the same non evolving software before they start to get bored? I couldn't bring myself to buy a 4 after my 3g because the device bored the hell out of me. I walked into the Apple store, picked up a 4 and said to myself why in the hell would I lock into two more years, they practically changed nothing.
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I think his numbers are wrong...

I will acknowledge that Android is suffering terribly from the fragmentation issue especially in the arena where consumers want an "appliance" that simply does what it does. I think enthusiasts and developers in the Android world have great fun with all the aspects of tinkering, it appeals to our intelligence that we can fix things, improve things and evolve. Most consumers are not interested in tinkering.

Lol, this is funny.

zharkov said:
I will acknowledge that Android is suffering terribly from the fragmentation issue especially in the arena where consumers want an "appliance" that simply does what it does. I think enthusiasts and developers in the Android world have great fun with all the aspects of tinkering, it appeals to our intelligence that we can fix things, improve things and evolve. Most consumers are not interested in tinkering.
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He hit the nail on the head. The iphone carries the user friendly market, as long as there are techies(men) and those who simply don't follow the crowd android will thrive. I do agree that Google should implement some kind of OS requirements, as many devices that could be running ICS are not, but to the previous comment of I walked in and said this really isn't any different than the 3g...that is pretty much it...apple will be apple, android is at least fresh in this perspective.

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According to Horace Dediu/Asymco, Apple is now taking 73% of the smartphone industry's profits, with Samsung capturing 26%.
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So, what he's saying is that Apple is screwing over the consumer almost 3 times more than the next largest company. Also, is this including the profits Apple gets from app sales, because none of the OEMs that make Android phones profit off of that.
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And that everyone includes Huwai and ZTE, LG and Sony, Motorola, Dell (sorta), HP (I think) and a host of other very large, once-capable companies.
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How do you forget HTC? They are probably the second or third largest seller behind Samsung and possibly Motorola.
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Nobody wants an Android tablet.
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The Kindle Fire is an Android Tablet, as is one of the B&N Nooks, guess no one buys those. The Galaxy Tab 2 7" also seems to be selling well the way it looks. There is an issue with tablets, but it's mainly a price issue, not features. Google and developers are working to solve the app issues.
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Almost no one has the latest version of Android.
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It's at 5% of the market and growing. With 300k new activations daily, that means at least 15k new ICS devices are joining the market every day. Now that OEMs are finishing up the ICS updates, and releasing their new phones/tablets with ICS, that is only going to grow over the next few months.
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The companies that most aggressively marketed the "Android" brand, particularly Motorola and HTC, are floundering. Samsung, you will notice, markets Samsung.
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Yeah, HTC bringing in $2.3 billion in revenue is floundering. Even with profits down, they still made nearly $200 million in profit for the 1st quarter. Given the success of the One series phones, that will probably go up this quarter. And Samsung markets phones for everything, and I'm pretty sure they mention Android for the Android devices.
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App developers continue to make far more money off iOS.
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Because iOS apps cost money, where the same app on Android is free. Android users will pay for apps if they're good, just that usually, there is a free alternative that is just as functional as the paid version.
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Google is *losing* money on Android.
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If they were loosing money so badly on Android, why does it continue to exist?
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The Oracle trial made clear that Android was designed for a small screen with a physical keyboard -- thus, not optimized for the touchscreen revolution.
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Working just fine on my 4.65" touchscreen here. I have more issues typing on the on-screen keyboard of the iPhone than I have with any of my Android devices.
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I seriously doubt any Android device will rival iPhone 4S -- even by the time of the next iPhone.
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I would say the Galaxy Nexus equals the iPhone 4S, and the just announced SGSIII will be the equal of the next iPhone in terms of hardware. Software, it is an apples v. oranges comparison. However, I have seen comparison tests that show it is usually faster or easier to perform simple tasks on the Galaxy Nexus versus the iPhone.

imnuts said:
So, what he's saying is that Apple is screwing over the consumer almost 3 times more than the next largest company. Also, is this including the profits Apple gets from app sales, because none of the OEMs that make Android phones profit off of that.
How do you forget HTC? They are probably the second or third largest seller behind Samsung and possibly Motorola.
The Kindle Fire is an Android Tablet, as is one of the B&N Nooks, guess no one buys those. The Galaxy Tab 2 7" also seems to be selling well the way it looks. There is an issue with tablets, but it's mainly a price issue, not features. Google and developers are working to solve the app issues.
It's at 5% of the market and growing. With 300k new activations daily, that means at least 15k new ICS devices are joining the market every day. Now that OEMs are finishing up the ICS updates, and releasing their new phones/tablets with ICS, that is only going to grow over the next few months.
Yeah, HTC bringing in $2.3 billion in revenue is floundering. Even with profits down, they still made nearly $200 million in profit for the 1st quarter. Given the success of the One series phones, that will probably go up this quarter. And Samsung markets phones for everything, and I'm pretty sure they mention Android for the Android devices.
Because iOS apps cost money, where the same app on Android is free. Android users will pay for apps if they're good, just that usually, there is a free alternative that is just as functional as the paid version.
If they were loosing money so badly on Android, why does it continue to exist?
Working just fine on my 4.65" touchscreen here. I have more issues typing on the on-screen keyboard of the iPhone than I have with any of my Android devices.
I would say the Galaxy Nexus equals the iPhone 4S, and the just announced SGSIII will be the equal of the next iPhone in terms of hardware. Software, it is an apples v. oranges comparison. However, I have seen comparison tests that show it is usually faster or easier to perform simple tasks on the Galaxy Nexus versus the iPhone.
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Unless the next iphone gets larger there's only so much you can shoehorn into a smaller form factor in which case apple customers could start looking elsewhere but as it stands there are a few android phones that could beat iphone including the s3 and optimus lte2.
But if android were dead then samsung lg and htc would all be failing miserably and their not.
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natsuke said:
Lol, this is funny.
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Yep, very funny since he's comparing a SO with a phone (hardware vs. software? WTF)
BTW, that a phone is the most sold not mean that phone is the best, only mean that have better marketing. In many countries, iDevice = high social status (what a sh!t, it isn't?).

apple makes software modulated hardware but android makes hardware modulated software the difference is price n precession.......................... the apple is quite costly bt android is not much
apple is secure
android is open
android is flexible
apple is disposable
hell ya.............. android rockzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!

imnuts said:
So, what he's saying is that Apple is screwing over the consumer almost 3 times more than the next largest company. Also, is this including the profits Apple gets from app sales, because none of the OEMs that make Android phones profit off of that.
How do you forget HTC? They are probably the second or third largest seller behind Samsung and possibly Motorola.
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This is one of the more interesting questions. I do believe that Apple revenue of course includes the app sales. Does anybody know more about this point?
And what about HTC? Look here!

sunilkumar.maharana said:
apple makes software modulated hardware but android makes hardware modulated software the difference is price n precession.......................... the apple is quite costly bt android is not much
apple is secure
android is open
android is flexible
apple is disposable
hell ya.............. android rockzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!
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My opinion is that Android is more secure than iOS. It is open-source, so anyone can look at the code (most of it anyway), find issues, fix them, and then submit the fix for inclusion in the next update. There is also SEAndroid being worked on by the same group that does SELinux. Apple is closed source, so when a problem is found, you have to wait for Apple to fix it. You can't tell when the fix will come, or if it will even come. Nor do you have the option to include the fix yourself, as there is no way to patch it without the source to build from.
Isn't the iPhone security able to be easily bypassed by anyone, regardless of the phone being locked or not? Android seems to be the more secure platform for most things from what I've seen, but I'm not a security researcher, so anything is possible.

another idiot Apple fanboy writes a bunch on non-factual nonsense. truth is, he knows Android is killing Apple, and he can't accept it, so instead he puts Android down to make himself feel better about being an iPhone lover. it's a classic example of the most basic human psychology.
let him be a fanboy, and we'll enjoy our amazing platform in peace.

Bloodflame said:
another idiot Apple fanboy writes a bunch on non-factual nonsense. truth is, he knows Android is killing Apple, and he can't accept it, so instead he puts Android down to make himself feel better about being an iPhone lover. it's a classic example of the most basic human psychology.
let him be a fanboy, and we'll enjoy our amazing platform in peace.
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You said it m8

The funny thing about this...which kind of invalidates everything he says, is that Samsung is running Android. I don't think Samsung has a single phone out right now that isn't Android.
"No one wants an Android tablet" No, it's just that the iPad has a name behind it. If not for that name, it'd be one of the worst selling pads on the market.

I think when the general population talk about the IPHONE they don't think of iOS but the Form factor of the phone. I also think that the general non techie population doesn't really know what Android REALLY is. This why every phone that's not an iPhone is considered a "Droid" to them.
Non techie people are seduced by the shiny and admittingly good design of the iPhone and as long as Facebook and Instagram works on it they are happy and they "love their iphone".
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Wow :what: where to start. The incorrect " facts " . The overt Apple fanboy flare. The way he should've started is by saying, " all the information you are about to given is conjecture and opinion " . Well I guess that's why some people buy, Apple products. Then there are those that think, research, and make the smart choice, Android.
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alunral said:
The funny thing about this...which kind of invalidates everything he says, is that Samsung is running Android. I don't think Samsung has a single phone out right now that isn't Android.
"No one wants an Android tablet" No, it's just that the iPad has a name behind it. If not for that name, it'd be one of the worst selling pads on the market.
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Its not that ipad has a name for itself, its that apple had a name for itself a long time ago. When the iPod came out it was a big hit. It then evolved into the iPod touch, which was alright for a while. Then they made the iPhone. Everyone was already hooked on apples products, thus not giveing android too much of a chance. Except for those who want something different, so they went and got an android. Slowly people are going to leave the iPhone cause they are going to get bored of the same old SH*T. Basicly the iPod is apples reputation. The ios is boring and kinda plain.
Who cares about what sells better? How about what performs better? And I know I would much rather be able to do whatever the hell I want with the phone like customizing, and tweaking the phone to run faster, and not having to pay for everything. And you can't even do anything on the computer without a jailbreak or being annoyingly restricted to iTunes!
IPhone sucks! ANDROID RULES!!!
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This is quite simple to respond to. IPhone is for mainstream users, every friend of mine says iPhone is the best phone until I show them some android devices. We live in a world where all the crap which has an apple on the back is better by the eyes of people that don't even know what the market has to offer.
Another thing is, android is still growing, and iOS has much has it keep evolving, I believe it's pretty much that: a phone with the homescreen full of icons and with no customizing whatsoever; a phone that in my opinion gives a terrible user experience.
I'm no fan of Samsung devices but it's true they're doing a great job on expanding android.
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[Article}Google has an Android problem

Didn't see this posted in the forum, but I thought it was an interesting read (not saying I believe it all though)
CNNMoney.com said:
Google's got an Android problem
[/i]By David Goldman @CNNMoneyTech June 26, 2012: 11:46 AM ET[/i]
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- More than half of the world's smartphones run Android. That sounds like a pretty comfy perch for Google, but it's a precarious one -- and the historical tides that made Android such a stunning success are starting to swing in the opposite direction.
On Wednesday, Google (GOOG, Fortune 500) is slated to unveil the latest version of Android at its developers conference. Expect some victory laps. The four-year-old mobile operating system is the center of a thriving ecosystem, and Google has seamlessly integrated most of its key products into Android, including search, Gmail, Chrome, Maps, Voice.
That gives Google a prime position in the fast-growing mobile realm.
But Android's success is partially accidental. The software only took off when Verizon Wireless released the Motorola Droid in late 2009.
Verizon (VZ, Fortune 500) needed a weapon to counter AT&T's then-exclusive deal with Apple. It threw all its weight behind the Droid, which was the first true iPhone competitor on the nation's most popular phone network.
Kickstarted by Verizon, Android went on to become a strong iPhone alternative for virtually all other hardware makers and wireless carriers. Google's mobile OS held a 59% share of the smartphone market as of last quarter, IDC analysts said.
Android's climb is about to end, IDC thinks.
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CNN said:
Android is climbing to an end, IDC thinks
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Why?
Android is thriving CNN!!!
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Why?
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What I thought as well. From many articles I have read, the expectation is that there will be a slight dip in market share when iPhone5 is released then things will return to normal with Android maintaining its hold on the smartphone market.

GrandAdmiral said:
What I thought as well. From many articles I have read, the expectation is that there will be a slight dip in market share when iPhone5 is released then things will return to normal with Android maintaining its hold on the smartphone market.
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Ha. Google is hiding stuff. Maybe a newer nexus with PB & J Android 5.0
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IDC is naive in thinking that Android's climb is over. U.S. smartphone share just past 50% and elsewhere in the world there is even more room for growth. To count Android out of taking a cut in this is just stupid.
Android's success is no accident. One phone did not make Android a success. Google's business model did. It offered a free platform for device manufacturer to use. Even now, all other platforms either require a licensing fee or is not available for licensing. This is why Android is thriving.

As long as iPhones keep their hefty price tag, Android will always be around. I think many people are not willing to spend that much on a phone.
That being said, it's true that when the next iPhone comes out, Android may take a hit. The high end Android phones may lose a bit of their market share to iPhone 5, but that's about it. We've seen the same effect with iPhone 4 and 4S. So it's just gonna happen once again. Can't complain, competition is good!

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I've seen more than one prediction that Androids climb will be slowed moving forward. Frankly I can see why.
Most articles like this also mention the rise of WP, which will be the wild card. WP8 has a lot of potential, combined with Nokia I can see great things moving forward. Honestly who doesn't want a Purview WP8 phone?
We'll see what happens but I see Android and WP duking it out for top stop in a few years. Couple that with W8Pro tablets.....
PS. Iphones will always be around, even though I'm sure their share will diminish greatly unless they pull one hell of an actual innovative rabbit out of their hats...

icechen1 said:
As long as iPhones keep their hefty price tag, Android will always be around. I think many people are not willing to spend that much on a phone.
That being said, it's true that when the next iPhone comes out, Android may take a hit. The high end Android phones may lose a bit of their market share to iPhone 5, but that's about it. We've seen the same effect with iPhone 4 and 4S. So it's just gonna happen once again. Can't complain, competition is good!
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Not only a phone, but an inferior one. Or overpriced.

Hopefully Android will be gone within 2 years.
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Take it from the standpoint of a writer, that article was written for views.
When people want their blogging read by others, they post unpopular, unwarranted and even untrue opinions, facts, rumors, etc to attract the eyes of a reader.
Tell half a billion people you think the mobile OS they're running is going to fail...like that's not gonna get readers you guys got trolled
So did I, I came in here and read it too lol.

Apple VS Samsung

It's looking very dim for samsung at this point. My overall observation is how big of a blow would this win if Apple wins be to the Android OS?
http://allthingsd.com/20120806/iphone-caused-crisis-of-design-at-samsung-memo/

Well here is the thing. If they are mainly suing over android features how come apple just does not go after google?

blackguy101 said:
Well here is the thing. If they are mainly suing over android features how come apple just does not go after google?
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That can't handle that "beast".
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screw apple I love their Macs but they really need to lay off android and stop trying to be the one and only mobile os there is nothing wrong with a little compitition. I will never buy another ios device because off all apples BS
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Mark930 said:
screw apple I love their Macs but they really need to lay off android and stop trying to be the one and only mobile os there is nothing wrong with a little compitition. I will never buy another ios device because off all apples BS
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with all respect to the late Steven P. Jobs, apple had a huge problem with people copying interfaces, and this is more of a Jobs thing.
If you look at the history of the company based in the Jobs biography, it has always had problems with competitors copying them, but seems like this time is the first time that they feel the leverage to pursue legal action.
I for one am seeing this as apple being completely ugly and childish, and it certainly has changed the way that I look at them and their products.

It also doesn't help that Samsung seems hell bent on losing this case. Most things they've done so far have either pissed off the Judge or made themselves look like idiots.
I don't know what street corner they got their lawyers from, but they need to seriously consider getting some new ones.

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It also doesn't help that Samsung seems hell bent on losing this case. Most things they've done so far have either pissed off the Judge or made themselves look like idiots.
I don't know what street corner they got their lawyers from, but they need to seriously consider getting some new ones.
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Perhaps this is a cultural divide.
It seems to me this legal battle is being fought on Apple's home turf.
Of course, I live in the USA.
I believe the justice system is impartial to a certain degree but South Korean companies do business differently (every country does) and their behavior from the get go I would agree seems a little uncouth.
Releasing the images of the prototypes to the media was a bad idea. I haven't kept up on the case as much as I would like but seems they don't get that they should play nice in court.

Mark930 said:
screw apple I love their Macs but they really need to lay off android and stop trying to be the one and only mobile os there is nothing wrong with a little compitition. I will never buy another ios device because off all apples BS
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Last I checked, the US still has anti-monopoly laws in place. Will it deter their dominance quest? Of course not. What can we do? What we already do: support and run Android! Plus, without apple, these forums would be overrun with idiots asking what the extra physical buttons do and demanding to know why they didn't receive a gingerbread and frozen yogurt sandwich covered in jelly beans and cupcake frosting with their device purchase
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stevenjcampbell said:
Perhaps this is a cultural divide.
It seems to me this legal battle is being fought on Apple's home turf.
Of course, I live in the USA.
I believe the justice system is impartial to a certain degree but South Korean companies do business differently (every country does) and their behavior from the get go I would agree seems a little uncouth.
Releasing the images of the prototypes to the media was a bad idea. I haven't kept up on the case as much as I would like but seems they don't get that they should play nice in court.
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I think it was a good idea. Piss off the judge and if she shows that shes pissed and thus bias in court you get a mistrial and can get an easy appeal thus showing that evidence in court.

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I think it was a good idea. Piss off the judge and if she shows that shes pissed and thus bias in court you get a mistrial and can get an easy appeal thus showing that evidence in court.
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I think you are right. This will definitely go to appeal. Chances are that Samsung will get whatever judgement suspended until its worked its way through the system. This case is very hotly contested and I can see it making it to the Supreme Court.

blackguy101 said:
Well here is the thing. If they are mainly suing over android features how come apple just does not go after google?
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Why is that so damning? All I see is what any CEO should do and that is look at the competition and see what you have to do to compete with them?
I'll bet there is a memo like that in every mobile phone company's CEO email somewhere. You have to look at the competition, especially when they make something so different and game changing, and change directions and you have to communicate that some how.

Yeah, this is looking bad.
They don't sue Google because it's Samsung that allegedly infringed on their patents. They copied the form-factor, they copied the icons. The form-factor is less of an issue - I think they will win on that. A flat touchscreen in a square body is basically the only design you could use for a touch-centric OS. But the icons, and that document that came out today, oh God...
It is depressing that in the gigantic tech space, there really is no company besides Apple that has the user-centric design culture to make what is essentially a perfect device for the vast majority of users. They have copied, and will copy, but the difference is Apple is innovative in a way that Samsung and Google simply are not. Google is too geek-and-tech centric to do what Apple does. They love hacking. They love making phones people can hack. They are like us Android fans, they love customizability, and so they don't pay attention to the details that would make Android a perfect OS for mobile devices, because, in their world they WANT people to customize and add their own flair. They want people to be like them. And a lot of us are like that, we love it. I love it. But that's a minority. Most people want an appliance and a perfectly engineered system to play Angry Birds in.
iOS is designed just as a simple vehicle for launching apps for the most part. Android is designed to be a bit more than that. In any case they chose to use the Microsoft strategy of just getting the OS out there instead of making a device that would be a perfect synergy of hardware and software. And Samsung is just a consumer electronics company, making cookie-cutter devices for the most part. They are trying, I'll admit, but it's all half-assed. S-Voice is almost useless, they bring nothing special to Android with TouchWiz, the gestures are nice but really just gimmicky. And if they do come up with something absolutely original, they need to bring the fight to Apple, who will no doubt copy really useful features like voice-activation for the camera. And they probably won't...
There is no chance of monopoly issues as long as Android is as successful as it is. I remain convinced Android's biggest problem is there are simply not enough developers in the world interested in Android. There are numerous technical and economic reasons why Android does not have the apps and the polished apps we deserve. I fear, just as PC software was essentially Microsoft's domain for so many years, the next 15 years will be defined by the mobile space being iOS' domain. There simply isn't the justification for developers to work on Android as much, just as most PC software development was for Windows, not Macs back in the '90s...
I think Samsung will get hard...maybe it will be enough to startle them into innovation, but frankly, Asian companies do not have a great history of it. The last great consumer device to be invented in Asia was Sony's Walkman, and that was 30 years ago.
Face it, we have PCs. But PCs without the appbase. A few of us are enthusiasts, water-cooling and overclocking and have 3 screens. That's the XDA crowd, the hackers, the ROMers, the developers and themers. But the vast majority of Android users are downmarket folks who couldn't afford an iPhone but wanted to check their email and browse the web.

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Why is that so damning? All I see is what any CEO should do and that is look at the competition and see what you have to do to compete with them?
I'll bet there is a memo like that in every mobile phone company's CEO email somewhere. You have to look at the competition, especially when they make something so different and game changing, and change directions and you have to communicate that some how.
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I agree. Maybe I'm not seeing the context, but it sure just reads like he's pushing his developers to come up with better products, which is what he should be doing.

I understand that my sentiments will belong to the minority here, but the fact that we like certain aspects of android phones better than certain aspects of various iPhones doesn't change Apple's claims.
The court case isn't about a rectangular phone with rounded corners or rounded-square green phone icons, it's about the entirety of the widget. If any one of Apples claims were made on its own, the case would have long since been thrown out. We can't become so jaded by the ubiquity of the iPhone in 2012 to remember how vastly different, unique, and mind blowing it was in 2007. You will see by my profile here that, A) I don't post a whole heck of a lot, B) I was using touch screen XDA devices years before the iPhone came out, and C) after the iPhone came out, I dropped off the face of the xda-developers world. Not because I was an Apple fan-boy... but because they brought a product to market that it took competitors many years to try and catch up with. Phones of that day were slow, the interfaces were buggy and unintuitive. We had never seen a mobile OS interface that was designed from the ground up to be used without a stylus.
While we love to think that swipe to unlock, pinch to zoom and pages of horizontally scrolled square icons, touch screen predictive thumb keyboards are common place and should be fair game for all. I'm thinking that many forgot that there were a couple of years where there was only one show in town with those features.
I currently own a SGS3, I love it, but the very foundation of that phone (and almost all android phones) is built off of the bricks that Apple laid. You want to see someone who didn't wholesale steal the iPhone's groove? Look at Nokia, or Microsoft. (One might also note, that they haven't been doing all that great.) Someone has to be ill informed, disingenuous, or nearly blind to say that the smartphones of today look more like the non-iPhones of 2007 than the iPhone of 2007.
I would love for Apple to be wrong. I love their products, but I love competition better. The fact is, though, that wholesale theft and regurgitation of another company's product is not truly competition. Rather than defending Samsung or cursing Apple, we should be demanding that our devices be more than just half hearted clones.
//signed Devil's Advocate

marsonist said:
I understand that my sentiments will belong to the minority here, but the fact that we like certain aspects of android phones better than certain aspects of various iPhones doesn't change Apple's claims.
The court case isn't about a rectangular phone with rounded corners or rounded-square green phone icons, it's about the entirety of the widget. If any one of Apples claims were made on its own, the case would have long since been thrown out. We can't become so jaded by the ubiquity of the iPhone in 2012 to remember how vastly different, unique, and mind blowing it was in 2007. You will see by my profile here that, A) I don't post a whole heck of a lot, B) I was using touch screen XDA devices years before the iPhone came out, and C) after the iPhone came out, I dropped off the face of the xda-developers world. Not because I was an Apple fan-boy... but because they brought a product to market that it took competitors many years to try and catch up with. Phones of that day were slow, the interfaces were buggy and unintuitive. We had never seen a mobile OS interface that was designed from the ground up to be used without a stylus.
While we love to think that swipe to unlock, pinch to zoom and pages of horizontally scrolled square icons, touch screen predictive thumb keyboards are common place and should be fair game for all. I'm thinking that many forgot that there were a couple of years where there was only one show in town with those features.
I currently own a SGS3, I love it, but the very foundation of that phone (and almost all android phones) is built off of the bricks that Apple laid. You want to see someone who didn't wholesale steal the iPhone's groove? Look at Nokia, or Microsoft. (One might also note, that they haven't been doing all that great.) Someone has to be ill informed, disingenuous, or nearly blind to say that the smartphones of today look more like the non-iPhones of 2007 than the iPhone of 2007.
I would love for Apple to be wrong. I love their products, but I love competition better. The fact is, though, that wholesale theft and regurgitation of another company's product is not truly competition. Rather than defending Samsung or cursing Apple, we should be demanding that our devices be more than just half hearted clones.
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I think calling the S3 a half hearted clone is doing both the Android OS and the strides that Android hardware makers have made over the past several years a disservice. I love competition too. But I also believe it is in full force here. Competition is why the S3 is light years better than my first Android device, the Droid X. Competition is why the S3 is the fastest, smoothest and least buggy Android device I've owned. I agree that the iPhone was a ground breaking device that set the standard for all smartphones. But when I see just how far the Android ecosystem has advanced in just the past two years I can't help but be impressed. Two year ago (July 2010) I waited in line for the Droid X. It had Froyo, which was obviously inferior to iOS 3.0, which was on iPhone devices at that time. I have now moved on to the S3 with ICS. The difference is night and day -- almost beyond compare. This was made possible not only by vast improvements in the Android OS by Google but also because of vast improvements in the hardware designed to run it by smartphone makers such as Samsung and HTC. Also, if you really think the S3 is a half hearted clone, can I ask why you have one, why do you love it and what compelled you to switch from the iPhone? I'm not trying to sarcastic. I really would like to know. Thanks for listening to my two cents.

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kishin14 said:
I think calling the S3 a half hearted clone is doing both the Android OS and the strides that Android hardware makers have made over the past several years a disservice. I love competition too. But I also believe it is in full force here. Competition is why the S3 is light years better than my first Android device, the Droid X. Competition is why the S3 is the fastest, smoothest and least buggy Android device I've owned. I agree that the iPhone was a ground breaking device that set the standard for all smartphones. But when I see just how far the Android ecosystem has advanced in just the past two years I can't help but be impressed. Two year ago (July 2010) I waited in line for the Droid X. It had Froyo, which was obviously inferior to iOS 3.0, which was on iPhone devices at that time. I have now moved on to the S3 with ICS. The difference is night and day -- almost beyond compare. This was made possible not only by vast improvements in the Android OS by Google but also because of vast improvements in the hardware designed to run it by smartphone makers such as Samsung and HTC. Also, if you really think the S3 is a half hearted clone, can I ask why you have one, why do you love it and what compelled you to switch from the iPhone? I'm not trying to sarcastic. I really would like to know. Thanks for listening to my two cents.
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Absolutely fare questions. I own an Android device because I am inherently a tinkerer. I have had every generation of iPhone with a brief lapse in 2009 when the OG Droid was released. (I say brief because I gave it away after three months.) The interface and primary functionality of iPhones is a well worn path. I decided that I'd like something that I can toy with more. The ability to tinker is not a feather in Samsung's cap, however, rather a more fundamental aspect of the Android core.
It is now 2012. Early Android phones left *a lot* to be desired. Newer devices are more stable and have a few neat features that the iPhone doesn't, yet, have. Would these devices have lasted long enough to say "We've got NFC first" if they hadn't spent four years walking in the iPhones footsteps? I don't think so.

It's really a stupid case in my opinion. I mean, yeah, Samung probably took the iPhone as an example when they developed the Galaxy line. So what? Does Apple want Samsung to make phones shaped in a triangle? Beds have looked pretty much the same bar some details but no-one is complaining about copyright infringement. If something makes an impact as big as the iPhone on society, how is it possible not to think of it when developing a phone after it's release?

I hope Apple wins the software side of the argument so then maybe Samsung will stop puking their TW over android and let Google deal with any legal **** that comes about.

Samsung failed but you should be happy...

So samsung has really failed as a brand with this whole apple thing - and hopefully it will be overturned. but regadless, there is GOOD NEWS.
if you were planning on selling your skyrocket now is the time...
i sold my skyrocket a month ago, it took me 3 weeks to sell it at $275 which i though was very reasonable at the time. In that 3 weeks i got only 4 replies..
the AD however is still up and since FRIDAY i have gotten 12 emails for my skyrocket!
so if you are considering selling it in the very near future.. now might be the time =)

You fail.
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evocalante said:
You fail.
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Not necessarily, he makes a good point

fail or not
Regardless if Samsung as a brand has failed, I am running andriod 4.1.1, Paranoidandriod beta 10, with the Darkside Venom A7 kernel and it is a BEAST!!! tons of battery, tons of options, and performs flawlessly. Fail or not, I love mine!

lionsroar75 said:
Regardless if Samsung as a brand has failed, I am running andriod 4.1.1, Paranoidandriod beta 10, with the Darkside Venom A7 kernel and it is a BEAST!!! tons of battery, tons of options, and performs flawlessly. Fail or not, I love mine!
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You bring up a very good point.. That it doesn't matter if your product is 100x better then apple... If the world doesn't know it...
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So if Apple won their unfair case, why would we sell our skyrocket ?
You're funny

Obviously, OP is a spy from Apple trying to convince us that Samsung sucks and to get us to abandon our beloved skyrockets so that we can move to Apple products.
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Why would I get rid of this beast of a phone? So I could get Apples proprietary crap, with dated, over priced hardware, that up until now still doesn't support things like LTE? Screw the iPhone. My next phone is the galaxy note 2 (and still would keep this phone)
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For those who buys Apple products, they buy the brand. They're not buying a product. Those who are SMART buyers, they won't buy products from Apple. A pity that people with technical knowledge is few. To me, I love my skyrocket. It's a real beast.

Who has said Samsung as a brand has failed? Sorry but no. Just because they lost a court case does not mean it is the end of Samsung. Ever hear of the word injunction? And the vast majority of people do not even know the history of apple as a corporation.
If you sold your skyrocket, why are you even trying to get us to make the same mistake?

Umm the only reason samsung lost is because apple is more of a brand. Samsung has never marketed the Galaxy product line here in America.. What two commercials In 4 years?
Samsung's galaxy line did fail as a brand and that's the only reason they lost in court..
Hopefully samsung learns about how important marketing is in all of this and starts branding better here in the states.
Hello most of the jurors didn't even have smart phones but still wanted to "make samsung pay" how f'ed up is that?
Marketing professors will be discussing this for years. How samsung lost a court case that should have never been tried because people didn't know their brand... But apple who didn't even come up with half the items they patented won because people trust the name..
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Samsung lost because the only court that would hear their case was in northern CA. Northern CA is Apples *****. Don't get me wrong...apple makes good products for people that dont know enough tech stuff to stray into non-apple territory or for people that want to be a trendy douche. Whats really funny is if someone opens up an iphone and looks at a lot of the internal crap....guess who makes those parts??? Samsung! So Samsung lost to apple here in the states...big F'n deal. The rest of the world knows apple products are crap still.

pedro6669 said:
Samsung lost because the only court that would hear their case was in northern CA. Northern CA is Apples *****. Don't get me wrong...apple makes good products for people that dont know enough tech stuff to stray into non-apple territory or for people that want to be a trendy douche. Whats really funny is if someone opens up an iphone and looks at a lot of the internal crap....guess who makes those parts??? Samsung! So Samsung lost to apple here in the states...big F'n deal. The rest of the world knows apple products are crap still.
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Actually, it was worse than that. The case was tried in a San Francisco federal court, about 20 miles from Steve Jobs' home and 40 miles from Apple's headquarters.
And some jurors lived or worked a few miles from either of these.

I'm still trying to figure out why anyone calls this a failure on any level. Did Samsung copy some things? Yes. Did they copy everything? No. Did Apple win a case that gets them some money(as if they need it) and a POSSIBLE injunction on products that are currently outdated(by sales standards)? Sure. Does it matter in the long run? Not especially. Why? 1) Because they can afford the billion and change. 2) Their new and fast selling products are not on the injunction list and the ones on it have sold millions of units already. 3) All this does is set the tone for the inevitable licensing deal that will net BOTH companies money. 4) Where does Apple get 75% of the hardware required to build an iPhone? SAMSUNG. Did you really think they'd watch these machines built with their parts make billions and not get into the game? As we speak, Apple is trying everything they can to get off Samsung's titty but are having very limited success. And let's not even bring up Google. Actually, let's....... Google has filed suit against Apple and Apple is already cringing in the background. Licensing is already being established before trial, because why?..... THEY WILL LOSE! Do you know why? Because ANDROID IS OPEN SOURCE AND BASED OFF OF LINUX. WHICH IS BASED OFF OF UNIX. What is OSX based off of? YOU GUESSED IT, UNIX. The difference? Linux was designed to be shared. Apple changed it enough to call it their own and closed it off in order to be able to profit from it. Android is and (hopefully) will forever be OPEN SOURCE. SOOOoooo, does Apple have a snowballs chance in hell to win a case about copying their OS? Only in a 'you copied my icon design' kinda way. It's quite humorous actually.....

I have a simple question:
I have never had an iPhone but do have a Skyrocket CM9 so:
For the average user of both products why would the members here consider a Samsung device 'superior'. Is that proposed 'superiority' based solely on the fact that it runs on an open-source OS or is it the hardware or is it both? Would the average non-root user experience be any better on Skyrocket than iPhone?
I am genuinely curious.

DudelePOWski said:
I have a simple question:
I have never had an iPhone but do have a Skyrocket CM9 so:
For the average user of both products why would the members here consider a Samsung device 'superior'. Is that proposed 'superiority' based solely on the fact that it runs on an open-source OS or is it the hardware or is it both? Would the average non-root user experience be any better on Skyrocket than iPhone?
I am genuinely curious.
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Preference that's all it is.
Yes we have better hardware in most respects.
Software assuming both are stock is questionable based on personal preferences.
feeling the skyrocket xperiance

DudelePOWski said:
I have a simple question:
I have never had an iPhone but do have a Skyrocket CM9 so:
For the average user of both products why would the members here consider a Samsung device 'superior'. Is that proposed 'superiority' based solely on the fact that it runs on an open-source OS or is it the hardware or is it both? Would the average non-root user experience be any better on Skyrocket than iPhone?
I am genuinely curious.
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Having an iphone before the SR, I would say that an average user is better off with an iphone.
Technical users definitely should get an android.

DudelePOWski said:
I have a simple question:
I have never had an iPhone but do have a Skyrocket CM9 so:
For the average user of both products why would the members here consider a Samsung device 'superior'. Is that proposed 'superiority' based solely on the fact that it runs on an open-source OS or is it the hardware or is it both? Would the average non-root user experience be any better on Skyrocket than iPhone?
I am genuinely curious.
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I can only give you my opinion on that. I owned iPhones before Android devices, and the reason I find them superior is based on the open source aspect of the OS. I am all about customization of all my computer hardware. I like to upgrade memory, hard drives, and visual and productive features. Android is perfect for this; in fact the OS practically cries out for it. Apple does not make bad products; their equipment caters to a specific kind of user. If you want high-quality hardware where price is not an object and the hardware is ready to go out of the box, then Apple has good stuff to offer. If you want to upgrade their equipment or modify it, on the other hand, you are in for a hassle. Did you know that Apple tried to have the people who first 'jailbroke' iPhones locked up? Seriously, a judge had to tell them that once they sell their **** to somebody, that person can do whatever they want to it. Now, they have to be content with slamming you back to stock every time you update their firmware. Android vs. Apple is basically an apples/oranges kind of argument if it comes down the hardware itself. But, Android hardware offers not only the ability to upgrade and modify, but you can get in there and attempt to create personalized versions of current OS offerings. It is one of the things I am doing right now(see my sig). Apples equipment is top-notch in the quality area; I think even Apple haters would admit that much. But, they stifle creativity by the very nature of their heavy handed attitude towards the customization of their products. And as Forrest Gump would say, that's all ah have to say about thaht.....

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Having an iphone before the SR, I would say that an average user is better off with an iphone.
Technical users definitely should get an android.
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Why is that? UI easier? Faster? Just curious why you feel that way?

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Why is that? UI easier? Faster? Just curious why you feel that way?
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It's very simple to use.
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