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Had the One S two weeks. The multi-tasking problem (where memory management is so aggressive that it kills almost anything in background almost instantly) is a deal-breaker for me. I thought there might be some kind of keep-alive task manager out there, but I haven't found one. Anyone know of one, or have suggestions?
I guess root and custom ROM is an option, but I have been avoiding that. And I don't think a stable CM9 is available, so not sure if there is a highly reliable ROM out there yet.
(P.S. I got the OTA upgrade, but that is irrelevant--it wasn't advertised as affecting multi-tasking, and it doesn't.)
I've heard if you download an app called minfree manager it goes some way to addressing this issue with the right settings (you can find the settings in the 79 page Multitasking thread in One X general), but the trade off is you sometimes see slow downs and chugging apparently.
HTC didn't trim Sense down as much as advertised - they just made it so there's nothing standing in its way, and I think thats a massive mistake when there are so many great launchers with a small memory footprint.
EDIT: here's the post I was talking about: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1670038
Looks like you have to be rooted, but in this case I think it'd be worth it
Just an update if anyone still has this issue and minfreemanager doesn't help - the V6 Supercharger Script is doing a much better job at fixing multitasking: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991276
what would be the best scenario to use Supercharger in? like one of the custom HOS ROMs or settings? any help from the experience is appreciated.
What's up all. I currently have the LG G3 for Verizon. I have it rooted and running xposed. I am waiting on a 64gb S6 that I won in eBay.
My question is for anyone that has moved from the G3 to S6. What are your likes/dislikes for the S6 and how does it compare negatively or positively.
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For me the G3 was the limit on comfortable size, so this is obviously easier for me to hold. I do miss the buttons on the back but that's not to say the buttons on the S6 are bad or misplaced, I just prefer them on back.
The battery is worse and even with little workarounds it's just not as good as the G3 on that front. Fast Charging and wireless charging help with that but the battery is is biggest downfall in my opinion.
I feel like most of the reviews out their reflect my opinions pretty closely.
S6 is perfect except for RAM management. Its like having a Task manager that is ultra aggressive and closes any and every program in the background. It feels like i have a phone that has 500 mb of RAM. SMH
cubarican84 said:
S6 is perfect except for RAM management. Its like having a Task manager that is ultra aggressive and closes any and every program in the background. It feels like i have a phone that has 500 mb of RAM. SMH
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The S6 is crazy fast. You should not need a task manager. Android is Linux based and it uses unused ram for disk caching. Here is a great explanation.
http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
Verizon just released the Samsung update that fixes the over agressive ram management. As for the battery, there are some things you can do. I won't go over it all here. Just look it up in the Q&A and general sections.
Are you sure this was a fix. I thought users yesterday were reporting no changes in regards to this? I really would be happy if this turns out true
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nrage23 said:
The S6 is crazy fast. You should not need a task manager. Android is Linux based and it uses unused ram for disk caching. Here is a great explanation.
http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
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You didnt undertand my post. Thanks for trying tho.
Came from a G3 about a week ago and couldn't be happier. I loved my G3 and still find myself double tapping the screen to turn it on the reaching for the buttons on the back, but other than that I couldn't be happier. The size of the G3 got to be a bit cumbersome at times, and the battery life believe or not was worse with the G3. Could not be satisfied with the switch.
My battery BLOWS away my GF's G3. Both took phones off at 6AM. She was dead by 4PM. Mine still has 20% at 10PM. We were shooting HD video and pics all day and uploading. Now hers was stock and there are def issues with the OTA 5.0 on G3 but still.
If you have Cell Standby issues using a huge amount of battery do the fix.
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Are you sure this was a fix. I thought users yesterday were reporting no changes in regards to this? I really would be happy if this turns out true
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If you look at ram usage nothing appears to have changed. What I have noticed though is that I no longer get the screen redraws and sluggish behavior over just a short amount of time. They did something. I don't think we will see the full effect though until we get the next update that closes the memory leak.
I really appreciate the input from everyone. I can't keep 2 phones, but I'm not going to rush and sell my g3.
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Gizmoe said:
Verizon just released the Samsung update that fixes the over agressive ram management. As for the battery, there are some things you can do. I won't go over it all here. Just look it up in the Q&A and general sections.
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Unfortunately this update did not fix the overagressive ram management
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Unfortunately this update did not fix the overagressive ram management
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I don't think it resolved the issue entirely. But I don't have screen redraws anymore. Hopefully the next update that's supposed to close the memory leak will fix it once and for all. I'm kind of disappointed in Google for releasing the pile of garbage that was lollipop.
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I don't think it resolved the issue entirely. But I don't have screen redraws anymore. Hopefully the next update that's supposed to close the memory leak will fix it once and for all. I'm kind of disappointed in Google for releasing the pile of garbage that was lollipop.
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Maybe it improved slightly but most of the time I still get redrawn where I shouldn't. Especially when going back to the launcher.
I can't really put my finger in the cause, it seems to follow all N roms (though most are based on LOS, so..)
Sometimes the device crawls to a standstill, until i'm able to close all open apps, and then it gets snappy again.
I would consider this device at least as fast as my M7, but although the One is slower in general than the N5, it never gets slower...
I don't have weird apps installed, the most crazy ones are the Facebook messenger and chrome, the rest is google apps and whatsapp...
mine is showing same behaviour since a few days ago, ive enabled sync and enabled cm email, others things ive done is installing tumblr, i think some apps that works on 2nd plane arent managed well with ram autokill and somewhat with persistent services.
ill clean flash and disable sync forever [emoji14]
other thing ive noticed is other storage is permanent oversized and the phone cant really know whar is this
Pure CAF @ crLOS14.1
Is it insanely hot when it slows down? If that's the case it's overheating for some reason.
I used to have that problem last year. I kind of fixed it after I formated the memory while I was trying to have F2FS. I knew i'd lost everything in the memory so I did a backup and trough TWRP changed the partition to F2FS and it helped a lot. A friend's tab had the same problem and he fixed it that way
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Is it insanely hot when it slows down? If that's the case it's overheating for some reason.
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No... It stalls, it really seems iowait...
daedric said:
No... It stalls, it really seems iowait...
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Or maybe it went out of memory? Although I doubt it. One thing that comes to mind is mpdecision, sometimes it shuts down all cores except 0 and won't switch them back online, forcing you to do it manually or somehow wake it up. Have you tried keeping tabs on your cores with a monitor app? Anything mpdecision-rated in logcat when the crawls happen?
I was on Catacalysm until nougat, which can be considered stock. didn't have speed issues then.
when I flashed nougat all 3 roms i flashed had annoying lag which was not acceptable.
eventually me and other users discovered it was happening because of the memory filling up.
apparently the phone needs quite a bit of free memory to work well. tweaking memory management through kernel editor solved it for me.
I can't tell for sure if that's your issue but u can give it a try.
What I do is that I clean flash about every six months, generally upgrading to a higher version of android (stopped after 6.0.1 tho cuz of xposed), after backing my media. Once I restore that after the flash, I always have more space available than pre flash and it feels a lot faster. Might be a placebo, might not. But is it stupid if it works?
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What I do is that I clean flash about every six months, generally upgrading to a higher version of android (stopped after 6.0.1 tho cuz of xposed), after backing my media. Once I restore that after the flash, I always have more space available than pre flash and it feels a lot faster. Might be a placebo, might not. But is it stupid if it works?
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Problem is, i'm starting to believe it's tied to N7.x
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I was on Catacalysm until nougat, which can be considered stock. didn't have speed issues then.
when I flashed nougat all 3 roms i flashed had annoying lag which was not acceptable.
eventually me and other users discovered it was happening because of the memory filling up.
apparently the phone needs quite a bit of free memory to work well. tweaking memory management through kernel editor solved it for me.
I can't tell for sure if that's your issue but u can give it a try.
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Your findings are consistent with mine, it seems the device is running out of memory and is trying to swap out heavy apps to make do, namely chrome and facebook. While it's doing that, it's slow as hell. I've also had launcher re-start, like if the OOM had it killed.
Which settings did you tweak ? LowMemoryKiller ?
Yep, LMK set to exterminate.
I wonder what the original configuration was, not only for LMK but also CPU gov etc, Because honestly I think that even after tweaks it was still better on stock.
In general nougat doesn't really add much for me, M was great, I was in a hurry to upgrade because I had play services battery drain bug on M. That was terrible.
Also I noticed mine is thermal throttling really quickly, I don't know if its normal or not. I've been thinking about improving cooling with a mod but at this point my N5 is on its way out. In november I'll close 4 years with it and I'll get a new device (maybe 1+5?)
Memory issue
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I can't really put my finger in the cause, it seems to follow all N roms (though most are based on LOS, so..)
Sometimes the device crawls to a standstill, until i'm able to close all open apps, and then it gets snappy again.
I would consider this device at least as fast as my M7, but although the One is slower in general than the N5, it never gets slower...
I don't have weird apps installed, the most crazy ones are the Facebook messenger and chrome, the rest is google apps and whatsapp...
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It's all because of memory,
3/4 cores are going offline and online regularly, but sometimes​ cores won't go online which create frizzing untill cores get online,
For solution you should be first root then install kernel editor you like and edit core to performance or high performance,
That solved my problems.
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I can't really put my finger in the cause, it seems to follow all N roms (though most are based on LOS, so..)
Sometimes the device crawls to a standstill, until i'm able to close all open apps, and then it gets snappy again.
I would consider this device at least as fast as my M7, but although the One is slower in general than the N5, it never gets slower...
I don't have weird apps installed, the most crazy ones are the Facebook messenger and chrome, the rest is google apps and whatsapp...
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What gapps are you using? Using pico or Beans mini will let you put most of your Google apps on the user partition and not the system partition. You could also try an AOSP based ROM instead of a LOS based ROM like Krexus, Pure Nexus or Tesla
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What gapps are you using? Using pico or Beans mini will let you put most of your Google apps on the user partition and not the system partition. You could also try an AOSP based ROM instead of a LOS based ROM like Krexus, Pure Nexus or Tesla
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Using pico or Beans mini will let you put most of your Google apps on the user partition and not the system partition.
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And the advantage would be ?
You could also try an AOSP based ROM instead of a LOS based ROM like Krexus, Pure Nexus or Tesla
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I tried PureNexus, but it hasn't been update recently. I also suspect of a bug in LOS, since it seems to follow all roms, no matter the builder or kernel.
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And the advantage would be ?
I tried PureNexus, but it hasn't been update recently. I also suspect of a bug in LOS, since it seems to follow all roms, no matter the builder or kernel.
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Using small gapps packages frees up space in /system, I never use full gapps packages on my Nexus 5 and I've never experienced this slow down you're having.
Pure Nexus just updated on May 13th, Tesla updated today. If you choose to flash one of them, be sure to wipe system in advanced wipe as well as data and caches before flashing
Pure Nexus https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=6733682732989
Tesla
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=529152257862726717&_utm_source=1-2-2
I don't think the suggestions in the last few comments will help. I'm pretty sure it's mainly a memory management settings issue.
if you want here's my profile in synapse (kernel settings editor you can find on google play). I'm currently testing it for a few days and it seems good so far but I still need to test it under really heavy load.
I'm running nitrogenOS with the kernel that comes with it. if you run something else you may have to tweak it a little.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1zh08kbh8hoyprl/test2.tgz?dl=0
Hey everyone!
I've got an Honor 8S in the UK (2GB variant) for a while now and can't do anything but observe how bad this device is with it's stock rom, which is currently rolling an EMUI 9.1 with Android 9.
System and UI by default uses ~1GB RAM; apps struggle to load / scroll all the time with major stutters and lags; multi-tasking is impossible as the system kills your idle apps whatever you do in battery / performance settings - Hell, I just had google maps opened the other day, accidentally touched the home button, then went back to maps, and it completely reloaded, not to talk about Facebook or some "heavier" apps; Even setting phone orientation requires approx. 5-10 seconds time-by-time to complete.
Can anyone suggest a solution for this kind of issue? I don't really have experience installing custom roms, and not sure if that could help in the first place, then again as a newly purchased device I don't know whether or not this could void my warranty.
Any opinions and suggestions are welcome! Thank you very much!
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Hey everyone!
I've got an Honor 8S in the UK (2GB variant) for a while now and can't do anything but observe how bad this device is with it's stock rom, which is currently rolling an EMUI 9.1 with Android 9.
System and UI by default uses ~1GB RAM; apps struggle to load / scroll all the time with major stutters and lags; multi-tasking is impossible as the system kills your idle apps whatever you do in battery / performance settings - Hell, I just had google maps opened the other day, accidentally touched the home button, then went back to maps, and it completely reloaded, not to talk about Facebook or some "heavier" apps; Even setting phone orientation requires approx. 5-10 seconds time-by-time to complete.
Can anyone suggest a solution for this kind of issue? I don't really have experience installing custom roms, and not sure if that could help in the first place, then again as a newly purchased device I don't know whether or not this could void my warranty.
Any opinions and suggestions are welcome! Thank you very much!
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What do you expect when running 9.1 on a device with only 1GB of RAM. That's what happens when you run a newer ROM on a device that has limited hardware. Hardware limited devices can't handle newer ROMs, they just don't have the hardware to handle it without lagging.
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Droidriven said:
What do you expect when running 9.1 on a device with only 1GB of RAM. That's what happens when you run a newer ROM on a device that has limited hardware. Hardware limited devices can't handle newer ROMs, they just don't have the hardware to handle it without lagging.
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Obviously. So Huawei should address the issue, which I really believe they won't for being preoccupied with flagship devices. I just don't understand why they push the new ROM and all updates on entry- and mid-level device, if they damn well know it's unmanageable; and in my case, we're talking about a current year's summer released phone. A thing I know for sure is that I'm departing myself further away from Huawei/Honor.
So addressing the issue, would a custom ROM work out, or should I just try living with it as is?
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Obviously. So Huawei should address the issue, which I really believe they won't for being preoccupied with flagship devices. I just don't understand why they push the new ROM and all updates on entry- and mid-level device, if they damn well know it's unmanageable; and in my case, we're talking about a current year's summer released phone. A thing I know for sure is that I'm departing myself further away from Huawei/Honor.
So addressing the issue, would a custom ROM work out, or should I just try living with it as is?
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You can try rooting and modifying the stock software to optimize it or you can try a custom ROM, but even the newer custom ROMs won't be any more efficient. All ROMs from lollipop to now are too much for devices with 1GB RAM.
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You can try rooting and modifying the stock software to optimize it or you can try a custom ROM, but even the newer custom ROMs won't be any more efficient. All ROMs from lollipop to now are too much for devices with 1GB RAM.
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it's 2 GBs, 1 GB is actually the remaining RAM as system and UI reserve ~1GB
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it's 2 GBs, 1 GB is actually the remaining RAM as system and UI reserve ~1GB
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Ah, I see, that should be enough for custom ROMs depending on how skilled the developer is, the more skilled, the more likely their ROM will be optimized for functionality.
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Hi all,
As many of you I'm frustrated by the lags of this update
I'm an user since oreo I've always updated and I never deleted my data since then
I found a way that for me worked to improve my experience with Android 10 I would like to share it
Go to settings
Battery
Adaptative battery
Battery manager (switch it OFF)
Reboot
Same as above
Battery manager (switch it On)
Reboot
Additionaly I've installed tynycore free version ram memory monitor and is running in foreground providing white bar ram usage indicator
I'm not sure which step fixed the issue but now after a week I'm running a smooth experience.
Tyncore dysplay an average of ram usage around 60%
Let me know if it works for you
Good luck
Thanks, that helped with lags a lot!
Hello, my phone's ram was always around 60%. If there is a leak shouldn't increase by time?
t123321 said:
Hello, my phone's ram was always around 60%. If there is a leak shouldn't increase by time?
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I didn't care about ram usage before the "workaround" so I can say if there was a huge memory consumption.
But you are right... Memory leaks will use all your ram which can't be set free
A lag can be caused by hundreds reason as cpu consumption or wrong coding... I don't think this can be easily discovered. The resolution could be a without sense trick like this
Tinycore measures ram the way the developer tools do. It shows lots of free ram because it's not counting "cached" apps. Lower-level tools like OSMonitor show the true usage, which is much higher (I typically have only 50-150M free but that's what you want to see).
The problem is not ram per-se, it's the system deciding to evict some apps from ram while keeping others in ram. The apps it keeps are not the ones that make sense.
Battery Manager didn't help for me. I can often go a week, but sometimes only a few days before I have to reboot to stop apps from immediately dying when multitasking.
Xiaomi has not been pulling non-security changes from AOSP. There's one about changing sounds for outlook. Perhaps there was a bug that got fixed and they just never got that fix. If custom ROMs don't have the problem, that'd make sense to me...
a1291762 said:
Tinycore measures ram the way the developer tools do. It shows lots of free ram because it's not counting "cached" apps. Lower-level tools like OSMonitor show the true usage, which is much higher (I typically have only 50-150M free but that's what you want to see).
The problem is not ram per-se, it's the system deciding to evict some apps from ram while keeping others in ram. The apps it keeps are not the ones that make sense.
Battery Manager didn't help for me. I can often go a week, but sometimes only a few days before I have to reboot to stop apps from immediately dying when multitasking.
Xiaomi has not been pulling non-security changes from AOSP. There's one about changing sounds for outlook. Perhaps there was a bug that got fixed and they just never got that fix. If custom ROMs don't have the problem, that'd make sense to me...
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OS monitor in my case show 30% of free ram... not far away from tinycore assumption
My phone after 10 days is still usable after steps in post #1
Unfortunately I can't change rom in those days I need both sim working and I don't want fix drawbacks afftecting my job
I've disabled automatic updates and I'll move forward if I'll get good feedback from next updates
This method actually worked for me. Thanks a lot @joyride76. Tried a lot and nothing really worked and this little steps made the problem not occure for about 3 days now. I have Lspeed installed ever since I have the device, but this alone, never really helped out. Thanks again!
Cappucinto said:
This method actually worked for me. Thanks a lot @joyride76. Tried a lot and nothing really worked and this little steps made the problem not occure for about 3 days now. I have Lspeed installed ever since I have the device, but this alone, never really helped out. Thanks again!
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Happy to read I'm 13 days up without major issues
Your post it's a good confirmation
I'm not confident in your fix. I have tried it but my phone still gets slow between 24 and 48h of not restarting it.
Sadly this did not work on my phone. Memory shows 58% used memory but lag appears after 24hrs. Restart helps.
Wow. I'm actually surprised that Android 10 became much more usable. I was so frustrated and ready to trash it...
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Wow. I'm actually surprised that Android 10 became much more usable. I was so frustrated and ready to trash it...
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I'm happy to help I was just near to downgrade so I can understand
I'm sorry it didn't help everyone
gonna give a try, hope to see it working, i will tell in a week
Kaimilo said:
gonna give a try, hopek to see it working, i will tell in a week
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Let us know
Good luck
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Let us know
Good luck
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for the moment is working smooth, but need more days to see
I've tried it again after the October 2020 security update and it doesn't fix it for me.
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I've tried it again after the October 2020 security update and it doesn't fix it for me.
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After 20 days I've tried to disable tiny core... And lag comes back.
I'm not sure if it's a placebo effect but once enabled lag disappeared
Apologies for a so poor technical approach
so i update, lag has came back after 3 days
Only thing that help this is installing a custom kernl
From today i have new phone,honor 10 lite,bay bay xiaomi newer will get any xiaomi again
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After 20 days I've tried to disable tiny core... And lag comes back.
I'm not sure if it's a placebo effect but once enabled lag disappeared
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I hadn't kept tinycore running but after seeing your message I gave it a go. I was hoping that it would help as a side effect of probing the system.
Interestingly... It showed maybe 30% free on the first day, 20% on the second day and 40% on the third day.
However, on that third day, apps are once again being killed as soon as they hit the background. Not even the Play store could update several apps without dying (after I switched to another app).
I find interesting that when tinycore reports the most "free" memory is when the system behaves the worst. Actual ram is full of cached apps, it's just not apps that are useful (IMO).
I guess it's back to daily reboots for me