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Battery Life: Doubling it.

Okay so i'm a new user with a HTC Fuze and i haven't customized it yet, just added a few tweaks. The first thing I noticed about this phone is that it's battery life is too short. I have "locked" data with AT&T to not get extra charges so i'm not connecting to Media Net and it still consumes a lot of battery.
I went out of my house at 2:30pm with 100% and kept texting people in a 1 hour bus trip (round trip) so 2 hours in total using the device and when I got home the battery was half-way gone.
I bet i could spend the battery of this phone in less than 20 minutes -> activate flash led + music in the background + wifi + bluetooth + 3g + texting at the same time / browsing internet.
Well after looking for tweaks and whatnot this is deff the best solution (however, a little expensive) for this phone:
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It's a 3000mAh battery. (Regular HTC brings a 1340mAh stock)
It costs 89.99$ (free shipping)
So for anyone interested in increasing their battery by the double, and even a bit more than the stock phone that's your best solution. If you combine this with a few tweaks your phone will be able to work moderate-high use for more than 15 hours.
PS. Another solution that i found is a portable charger (AA battery size) that you can connect to your device anywhere at anytime. You can perform almost 2 FULL charges with only 1 battery.

I have no problem getting at least two or three days out of a single charge. Stock ROM with the TF3D garbage scrubbed and replaced with SPB. Haven't disabled the 3G either, and it downloads my email every 5 minutes. I'm not otherwise a heavy internet user, though it sounds like I use it more than you. I maybe talk on it for 20 or 30 minutes a day.

I understand 100% what you mean. I do a fair amount of texting, but usually a full day, and by the end of the day (if the battery lasts that long), my battery is completely gone. Texting really does take up a lot of battery from the phone, and there isn't any way around it. Although some roms take up more battery than others (energy), and some take less (ROMeOS), your still gonna suck a lot of your battery by texting. I thought about that battery as well a while back, but after thinking about it, I decided that I really don't want to make my tp any thicker than it already is.

Install Advanced Config and take a look at the power options.. Advanced Config is a must have for Windows Mobile Phones.

After one hour of nonstop texting I have about 90% battery left. I would suggest to go with a different ROM.

jdwrrzmm said:
After one hour of nonstop texting I have about 90% battery left. I would suggest to go with a different ROM.
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wat rom are you using? i usually do hours of nonstop and my phone will just die out..

Loner2DEnd said:
wat rom are you using? i usually do hours of nonstop and my phone will just die out..
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you might have a data connection on continously... or something(wifi)...

djcaston said:
I understand 100% what you mean. I do a fair amount of texting, but usually a full day, and by the end of the day (if the battery lasts that long), my battery is completely gone. Texting really does take up a lot of battery from the phone, and there isn't any way around it. Although some roms take up more battery than others (energy), and some take less (ROMeOS), your still gonna suck a lot of your battery by texting. I thought about that battery as well a while back, but after thinking about it, I decided that I really don't want to make my tp any thicker than it already is.
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No, the battery is the same shape as the default one.
It just has more capacity, your phone will look the same.

Nope, not true, the Mugen Super Extended battery comes with a custom replacement back door !
See : http://cgi.ebay.com/MUGEN-SUPER-EXT...temQQimsxZ20081226?IMSfp=TL081226112001r31958
( just as reference and for pics )
Cheers,
JCE

thazeid said:
No, the battery is the same shape as the default one.
It just has more capacity, your phone will look the same.
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i don't think LiOn chemistry has improved so much over a year to pack three times the amperage on the same size...
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-EXTENDED-BA...trkparms=65:12|66:2|39:1|72:2128|293:1|294:50
they give you a new cover... it IS thicker
i myself am planning to see how much battery i need, and possibly upgrade to a 2200mAh battery (thicker too)

Oh, i didnt see that...
HTC Fuze is too thick to be even thicker...

thazeid said:
Oh, i didnt see that...
HTC Fuze is too thick to be even thicker...
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i hang my Fuze off my belt, so i think a little more thickness is worth it if i'm going far away from my charger...

might as well call it HTC Brick after you put that cover on it

I found s2u2 to be a massive batt drain on my fuze running current attsom. I was using 80-90 % of the batt in 9 hours. uninstalled s2u2, now using about 45% in 9-10 hours. Bummer, because I really liked ac's program. I think there must be some conflict with the att rom.

mthomas said:
I found s2u2 to be a massive batt drain on my fuze running current attsom. I was using 80-90 % of the batt in 9 hours. uninstalled s2u2, now using about 45% in 9-10 hours. Bummer, because I really liked ac's program. I think there must be some conflict with the att rom.
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I had the same issue. With the new version and WM6.5, I see no difference with using it....it is like it isn't there!

Loner2DEnd said:
wat rom are you using? i usually do hours of nonstop and my phone will just die out..
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My 4-5 days out of my Touch pro. Granted I don't use at all for voice, but browse the web over wifi (~1hr daily), watch movies and play games. Wifi is on most of the time and I get a lot of emails over the day.
One of the worst battery hogs I had was Fring. The reason was it stopped the phone from entering sleep and kept the data connection open at all times, but still would just shorten the bat life to 2 days.
Mind you, that's on a custom rom (Energy Rom).

Battery now dying...

So I'm like wtf all of a sudden my battery is like at 40% by noon, and I recharge and it gets to the same within a couple of hours }
I don't get it not even a year yet
BTW I'm stock froyo/ rooted
Bad battery ? Any one else experience this? I have juice defender set CPU
Battery stats say main cause is "cell standby" any tricks to fix this?
No I'm not going to gb
meh...

Well, in the end, that's the best that froyo can do for the G2X...
I had Froyo and i pulled off 6hrs, when i got GB i was able to pull off 8, so yea, juice defender really wouldn't give you that much more battery life, the best shot is to upgrade the ROM.

i would consider updating it :/ i've never had froyo but since i've been using gb i get 15+ hours out of my phone and that's with heavy texting, internet browsing, some netflix watching and a little gaming. but cell standby seems to be my biggest problem too i wish i could fix that

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Well, in the end, that's the best that froyo can do for the G2X...
I had Froyo and i pulled off 6hrs, when i got GB i was able to pull off 8, so yea, juice defender really wouldn't give you that much more battery life, the best shot is to upgrade the ROM.
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Running froyo I was getting at least 14-16 hours.
Usually bad battery life can be accredited to less-than-optimal user settings, heavy device usage, or there's a rogue app that's sucking your battery down.
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and as you can see i still have about half a battery left. the only precaution i really take is that my brightness is almost down to zero. and on my old phone it used to show in the battery settings if i used a certain application such as internet or ebuddy. i have no idea why it won't show those on this device so you can't see my heavy internet usage, gaming and some netflix watching.

and just for reference i'm running complete stock no root or anything. i'm now on one day and two hours worth of battery with 30% still left
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tokimaromi said:
and as you can see i still have about half a battery left. the only precaution i really take is that my brightness is almost down to zero. and on my old phone it used to show in the battery settings if i used a certain application such as internet or ebuddy. i have no idea why it won't show those on this device so you can't see my heavy internet usage, gaming and some netflix watching.
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I wish I got that kind of battery usage out of mine. Cell standby is just sucking everything it can out of my battery...

barqers said:
I wish I got that kind of battery usage out of mine. Cell standby is just sucking everything it can out of my battery...
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i hope someone can help you with that! cell standby is one of my worst battery suckers but obviously it's not doing too bad. it's still alive right now at 18% i'm trying to see how much i can milk it for

tokimaromi said:
i hope someone can help you with that! cell standby is one of my worst battery suckers but obviously it's not doing too bad. it's still alive right now at 18% i'm trying to see how much i can milk it for
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Lol I'd be lucky if I got 12 hours out of my phone with my display OFF -.-
I'm probably going to switch back to Froyo.

barqers said:
Lol I'd be lucky if I got 12 hours out of my phone with my display OFF -.-
I'm probably going to switch back to Froyo.
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you got better battery life using froyo? that's the exact opposite of what i've been hearing

tokimaromi said:
you got better battery life using froyo? that's the exact opposite of what i've been hearing
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I had froyo on my phone for about 3 hours and I lost 10%. I have any version of GB on my phone and I lost 10%/hour. So it's a huge jump ATM.
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Hey OP, can you post a list of your apps? Use listables. I want to compare it against mine. If there are any similar apps then I'm going to disable/uninstall mine and check battery life and report back.

Have you tried booting into recovery and erasing battery data? That greatly improved battery life on my Nexus S after it had undergone multiple ROM flashes.
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The ROM you're using is a huge matter. With CM7, i couldn't go a day without charging. Now, with MIUI, I'm pretty sure I can get 3 days, with normal brightness, and my normal use, which is email and texting.

aplsux said:
The ROM you're using is a huge matter. With CM7, i couldn't go a day without charging. Now, with MIUI, I'm pretty sure I can get 3 days, with normal brightness, and my normal use, which is email and texting.
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Holy **** I finally found someone with WIND Lol! Okay, what are your settings though? Do you have it set to WCDMA Only?
Is 3G turned on? Cause I can barely get like 14 hours moderate usage with dim brightness :S
I noticed that with cell radio on I used 10% in 57 minutes and with it off I used 1% in 1.5 hours...
bjlefebvre said:
Have you tried booting into recovery and erasing battery data? That greatly improved battery life on my Nexus S after it had undergone multiple ROM flashes.
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I'll try tonight! Just letting it fully charge, then wiping/calibrating!

I found that if I turn data off sync off the battery lasts over twice as long. I don't need it consistently on, so I turn it on when I'm not busy. Works for me

aceofserenity said:
I found that if I turn data off sync off the battery lasts over twice as long. I don't need it consistently on, so I turn it on when I'm not busy. Works for me
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You know what I find weird. It doesn't matter if I turn data off or not cell standby will still use the same amount of battery and my battery still drains at the same rate.
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Just realized both threads were started by u..

3 Words. Juice Defender Plus.

Screen on time

It's amazing how much we actually use our phones in a given day, especially when we watch "videos"! Rate this thread to express how many hours of screen-on time you can get on the Google Pixel XL before depleting the battery.
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I decided to try and push things this morning and used my Pixel XL almost all morning non-stop. I used it to talk on Hangouts/Allo, check mail, facebook, feedly, Flipboard, google news, listen to music, etc. I had 3.7 hours of on screen time and the battery was down to 67%.So far it seems much better than my S7 was

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I decided to try and push things this morning and used my Pixel XL almost all morning non-stop. I used it to talk on Hangouts/Allo, check mail, facebook, feedly, Flipboard, google news, listen to music, etc. I had 3.7 hours of on screen time and the battery was down to 67%.So far it seems much better than my S7 was
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How are people getting this? My screen seems to drain so fast even when I'm just constantly using it to see how much I can get. I barely get 40 minutes of SOT per 10% drain and that's if I'm using it straight through. Brightness kept low too. On wifi or LTE if doesn't matter.

DrexelDragon said:
How are people getting this? My screen seems to drain so fast even when I'm just constantly using it to see how much I can get. I barely get 40 minutes of SOT per 10% drain and that's if I'm using it straight through. Brightness kept low too. On wifi or LTE if doesn't matter.
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Maybe you got a dud? With millions of these being mass produced there are bound to be bad ones. Maybe yours is that case. Would suck, but it sounds like SOMETHING is wrong. Have you checked your battery stats in Settings to see what's using all your juice?

robamacaf said:
Maybe you got a dud? With millions of these being mass produced there are bound to be bad ones. Maybe yours is that case. Would suck, but it sounds like SOMETHING is wrong. Have you checked your battery stats in Settings to see what's using all your juice?
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"Combined APP CPU" takes up 60% in GSAM battery stats. No idea what that means

I finished my day yesterday (day 3 of owning) with 5.7 hrs screen on time and had 22% battery left when plugging in. I hadn't watched any videos but spent alot of time reading, browsing and chatting. I kept my brightness around 1/3 the way to full and never moved it. Adaptive brightness was left on but seems to change very minimally in different lighting conditions. My G3 used to drop to an unbearable dark when in lowlight situations. The Pixel XL 128gb has stayed more bright in lowlight situations than I'd like making it straining to my eyes. I tried nightmode but was a pukey looking orangish red. Not cool. Either way, it seems screen time is best I've had in recent phones. I averaged around 3.7 to 4.2 hrs on my Note 7 but only owned that for 3 weeks and had returned due to it being an incendiary device! KABOOM! So far I'm Pleased with the Pixel XL aside from the lack of lift to wake or double tap to wake. I hate hitting the power button to check notifications.

40 mins screen on for 10% drain ends up being about 6.5 hours of screen on time....don't understand your problem.?
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Almost 5 hours screen on time and I was using Waze and listening to Alex Jones pretty much the whole time the screen was on. This is the best better life I have gotten ever.
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evobyte said:
Almost 5 hours screen on time and I was using Waze and listening to Alex Jones pretty much the whole time the screen was on. This is the best better life I have gotten ever.
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I'll say your SOT are good, seeing that most of the time you had bad cell signal.

When posting your screen on time could you possibly include your how bright you keep the brightness and if you use adaptive brightness or not. That would help comparisons.

Yesterday I got awesome screen on time.
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Ive been really happy with the phone so far. Majority of the time the brightness is between one third and half. Never use auto-adjust.

Over 9 hours! What kind of voodoo magic do you have on your phone!? Is that plain ol' vanilla android? Any kernel?

It's stock Android. I watched a lot of movies that day.
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DrexelDragon said:
How are people getting this? My screen seems to drain so fast even when I'm just constantly using it to see how much I can get. I barely get 40 minutes of SOT per 10% drain and that's if I'm using it straight through. Brightness kept low too. On wifi or LTE if doesn't matter.
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Damn id get a replacement. Im a heavy user and i litteraly charge this once a day and thats in the afternoon. Im on fb google plus. Youtube and i listen to music via bluetooth

I just got through my first full charge and ended up with over 7.5 hours SoT over about 32 hours of use. I didn't get a screenshot because I was trying to push for that 8 hour mark and the phone died...But I'm going to get it next time.

Best battery life I've ever experienced on a phone! Took of our charger this morning at 100% charge and it is 3:13 AM the following morning. Been doing the usual. Taptalking to check for Pixel Root method/. TWRP, YouTube, few photos, downloading apps, texting, few calls, and whatnot.
Still says I have 5 hours left on my battery give our take.
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evobyte said:
Almost 5 hours screen on time and I was using Waze and listening to Alex Jones pretty much the whole time the screen was on. This is the best better life I have gotten ever.
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With such bad cell reception for a large part of the time and Chrome(a known battery hog) pretty high on the list as well as a small battery that's pretty good.
And I couldn't help but mention it but.... seriously? Alex Jones? That dude is crazy! Does the Pixel XL come with a free tinfoil hat and straight jacket? LOL Alex Jones HAHAHAHA

jrock34 said:
It's stock Android. I watched a lot of movies that day.
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Over 9 hours! What kind of voodoo magic do you have on your phone!? Is that plain ol' vanilla android? Any kernel?
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That's the only possible reason for that SOT... youtube 25%... lol... no way in other "normal" conditions you would get over 5/6h SOT

onesolo said:
That's the only possible reason for that SOT... youtube 25%... lol... no way in other "normal" conditions you would get over 5/6h SOT
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I'm a heavy user anyway and I've never had a phone except the iPhone have more screen on time. I don't think it matters how it happens.
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Screen on time

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7 hours

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7+ SOT! Pretty crazy...

Here is mine from yesterday... Not really a heavy user.

Just curious - are all of using battery saving location mode?

cecho said:
Just curious - are all of using battery saving location mode?
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Im not

Full day 6am until 2 am with 4 hours of gaming in there.
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Just curious - are all of using battery saving location mode?
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I'm not either. High accuracy mode was on the whole time

Out (on LTE only, no Wifi) and about regular usage (web, news, maps/navigation) - 13%/hour ~7.6 hours SOT
Camera (because the camera is THAT great) + Google photos editing and uploading - 17-25%/hour ~ 4-6 hours SOT
At home on Wifi regular usage- 6-7%/hour ~ 15 hours SOT

So was doing some testing for battery life. Used it till it shut off just a few minutes ago. I had taken a screen shot at 1% about 5min before it powered down figuring it was close. I took the phone off the charger yesterday at about 6:30am. I am not sure why wifi shows as 0% but I have been on wifi most of the day. I really liked the old Android battery screens better that showed wifi and cellular signal strength data as well.

From my experience the SOT is not even the problem. How is the standby battery consumption? The thing is I get 10 hours SOT on my Moto Z Play if I do a lot. BUT if I use the phone only lightly I'll still don't get more than 2 days battery life even though you would expect much more.

Shahpur.Azizpour said:
From my experience the SOT is not even the problem. How is the standby battery consumption? The thing is I get 10 hours SOT on my Moto Z Play if I do a lot. BUT if I use the phone only lightly I'll still don't get more than 2 days battery life even though you would expect much more.
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Ambient features, how often your weather / email ect sync, how strong your cell signal is, how often your connected to WiFi instead of 3g/4g, and location services all affect stand by time.
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Andebad said:
Ambient features, how often your weather / email ect sync, how strong your cell signal is, how often your connected to WiFi instead of 3g/4g, and location services all affect stand by time.
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Yeah I know but the thing is: compared to standby times of my iPhone 7 Plus the Pixel XL 1 standby was a joke.
I have installed basically the same apps on both devices. So I just hope that Android will finally catch up with Android 8, because up to now all Google initiatives to have better battery life were pretty bad.
That's why I would be interested to hear how this is going on the XL2.

This is going for 9+ hours sot!

Why can't I post pics? Says I don't have permission to post.

Perry977 said:
This is going for 9+ hours sot!
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Mind sharing your settings/apps? I'm at the same percentage as you but barely getting 2hours sot :/ I don't think I have any battery draining apps installed besides instagram and snapchat. Maybe its standby drain? I lost almost 10% overnight (6 hours) and I'm not sure if this is normal.

melvinftw said:
Mind sharing your settings/apps? I'm at the same percentage as you but barely getting 2hours sot :/ I don't think I have any battery draining apps installed besides instagram and snapchat. Maybe its standby drain? I lost almost 10% overnight (6 hours) and I'm not sure if this is normal.
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You also have 10 hours more off the charger. I think that could easily result in the 1 hour difference in screen on time.

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You also have 10 hours more off the charger. I think that could easily result in the 1 hour difference in screen on time.
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True!! I have all the locations and everything on..nothing changed..4 emails sync8ng.. injustice simcity games..fb snapchat insta all installed..been on lte whole time..this phone is a beast..always used htc phones which are not bad..this is first time using google phone..however, eagerly waiti g for htc u11+ announcement..if its tempting i m8ght return pixel and go for htc

Pretty solid screen on time binge watching stranger things season 2. Honestly I think I could get another hr or more still with 22% left.

General Battery Life

My second full charge stats for those interested.
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Johnny... please show us some new stats. Will it work around 15 hours with normal/medium usage? I'm afraid this battery... just battery ;/

Hi,
Normal/medium usage is different for everyone.
All I can say, is I was worried about be the battery size, but it has got me through the day just fine.
Depending on what apps I'm using and light gaming, I've been getting around 3.5 to 4.25 hours of screen on time.
I've averaged 16-22 hours of use even with my smart watched connected for around 6 hours a day.
We have to remember though, this is an early software version, so may improve over time.

For now battery life is very disappointing for me. Came from pixel 5 when I could leave the house with half the battery left and not worry. However, I am sure this can be improved but need some suggestions based on the below. I have google play services and carrier services that are draining quite a lot. Any idea how to pin those down/improve?
EDIT: clearly me being stupid after too much work. that's usage over the last 7 days and not 24 hours.... still battery life for me leaves something to be desired for now. I do lots of calls for work. after taking off the charge at 7am, I had to plug the phone back in at 6pm. will report towards end of the week to see if anything improves

Any news after few days of using?

Horrendous for me still after clearing caches and even turning off location. Google play services is at the top.

I need to charge twice a day. Comparing to Note 20 Ultra it's very disappointing. I am thinking about returning my Flip.

duchian said:
I need to charge twice a day. Comparing to Note 20 Ultra it's very disappointing. I am thinking about returning my Flip.
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Yea. Mine lives on the charger. I get better life from my Galaxy Book. I'm assuming this will be fixed. I've seen a couple cases where people said they had better life on the Fold than note.

Had the Flip 3 for just over a week now.
Battery for me was acceptable yesterday, fair amount of camera use (mainly on 4G), and today so far is decent (mainly WiFi). At 80%, with 50mins SOT.

the only thing that did it for me was turning off 120hz refresh rate. sticking with 60hz visually hurts but it improves battery life a lot. it is now capable of getting me through the whole day easily and lasting around 24hrs. SOT is around 3 hours.

duchian said:
I need to charge twice a day. Comparing to Note 20 Ultra it's very disappointing. I am thinking about returning my Flip.
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Wow. Are you heavy user?

Latest after going for a walk to get some beer, and I know it's sad . Did some Pokémon Go on the way.
70% left.

tobian69 said:
Wow. Are you heavy user?
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No, more a moderate user. A couple of short WhatsApp video calls, 20 text message, some light gaming, 20-30 photos, and maybe 30-60 mins on Chrome.
I have 2 accounts for Google/Gmail syncing.

johnny8910 said:
Latest after going for a walk to get some beer, and I know it's sad . Did some Pokémon Go on the way.
70% left.
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Not terrible I think ?

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Not terrible I think ?
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Not terrible for me . It's not the best, but good enough for me. Gets me through the day, even when on the mobile network.
I have some back ground Sammy apps disabled like Bixby.
It has definitely improved over the last couple of days.

screenshot attached now. again, this is with 60hz only.

ialopux said:
the only thing that did it for me was turning off 120hz refresh rate. sticking with 60hz visually hurts but it improves battery life a lot. it is now capable of getting me through the whole day easily and lasting around 24hrs. SOT is around 3 hours.
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Could try the app in the mods section, set it to 96 refresh rate.
I'm going to give it a go, and try setting it up with 96Hz, and 48Hz idle.

johnny8910 said:
Could try the app in the mods section, set it to 96 refresh rate.
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thanks, I will give it a go in about a week. just want to see a little more how it deals with my regular working week when I am always on the phone. will post later once i've checked that.
why 96 though and not 90?

ialopux said:
thanks, I will give it a go in about a week. just want to see a little more how it deals with my regular working week when I am always on the phone. will post later once i've checked that.
why 96 though and not 90?
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90 not available, 48, 60, 96 and 120 are the options

Am I the only one losing 30 percent after an hour of SOT? Not even using the big screen? Almost all apps are asleep too. Absolutely nuts. I'm gonna have to carry a battery with me if I ever take this on vacation. It can't last a work day. I hit 30 percent before 11am from 85.