General Battery Life - Samsung Galaxy Z Flip 3

My second full charge stats for those interested.
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Johnny... please show us some new stats. Will it work around 15 hours with normal/medium usage? I'm afraid this battery... just battery ;/

Hi,
Normal/medium usage is different for everyone.
All I can say, is I was worried about be the battery size, but it has got me through the day just fine.
Depending on what apps I'm using and light gaming, I've been getting around 3.5 to 4.25 hours of screen on time.
I've averaged 16-22 hours of use even with my smart watched connected for around 6 hours a day.
We have to remember though, this is an early software version, so may improve over time.

For now battery life is very disappointing for me. Came from pixel 5 when I could leave the house with half the battery left and not worry. However, I am sure this can be improved but need some suggestions based on the below. I have google play services and carrier services that are draining quite a lot. Any idea how to pin those down/improve?
EDIT: clearly me being stupid after too much work. that's usage over the last 7 days and not 24 hours.... still battery life for me leaves something to be desired for now. I do lots of calls for work. after taking off the charge at 7am, I had to plug the phone back in at 6pm. will report towards end of the week to see if anything improves

Any news after few days of using?

Horrendous for me still after clearing caches and even turning off location. Google play services is at the top.

I need to charge twice a day. Comparing to Note 20 Ultra it's very disappointing. I am thinking about returning my Flip.

duchian said:
I need to charge twice a day. Comparing to Note 20 Ultra it's very disappointing. I am thinking about returning my Flip.
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Yea. Mine lives on the charger. I get better life from my Galaxy Book. I'm assuming this will be fixed. I've seen a couple cases where people said they had better life on the Fold than note.

Had the Flip 3 for just over a week now.
Battery for me was acceptable yesterday, fair amount of camera use (mainly on 4G), and today so far is decent (mainly WiFi). At 80%, with 50mins SOT.

the only thing that did it for me was turning off 120hz refresh rate. sticking with 60hz visually hurts but it improves battery life a lot. it is now capable of getting me through the whole day easily and lasting around 24hrs. SOT is around 3 hours.

duchian said:
I need to charge twice a day. Comparing to Note 20 Ultra it's very disappointing. I am thinking about returning my Flip.
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Wow. Are you heavy user?

Latest after going for a walk to get some beer, and I know it's sad . Did some Pokémon Go on the way.
70% left.

tobian69 said:
Wow. Are you heavy user?
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No, more a moderate user. A couple of short WhatsApp video calls, 20 text message, some light gaming, 20-30 photos, and maybe 30-60 mins on Chrome.
I have 2 accounts for Google/Gmail syncing.

johnny8910 said:
Latest after going for a walk to get some beer, and I know it's sad . Did some Pokémon Go on the way.
70% left.
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Not terrible I think ?

tobian69 said:
Not terrible I think ?
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Not terrible for me . It's not the best, but good enough for me. Gets me through the day, even when on the mobile network.
I have some back ground Sammy apps disabled like Bixby.
It has definitely improved over the last couple of days.

screenshot attached now. again, this is with 60hz only.

ialopux said:
the only thing that did it for me was turning off 120hz refresh rate. sticking with 60hz visually hurts but it improves battery life a lot. it is now capable of getting me through the whole day easily and lasting around 24hrs. SOT is around 3 hours.
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Could try the app in the mods section, set it to 96 refresh rate.
I'm going to give it a go, and try setting it up with 96Hz, and 48Hz idle.

johnny8910 said:
Could try the app in the mods section, set it to 96 refresh rate.
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thanks, I will give it a go in about a week. just want to see a little more how it deals with my regular working week when I am always on the phone. will post later once i've checked that.
why 96 though and not 90?

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thanks, I will give it a go in about a week. just want to see a little more how it deals with my regular working week when I am always on the phone. will post later once i've checked that.
why 96 though and not 90?
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90 not available, 48, 60, 96 and 120 are the options

Am I the only one losing 30 percent after an hour of SOT? Not even using the big screen? Almost all apps are asleep too. Absolutely nuts. I'm gonna have to carry a battery with me if I ever take this on vacation. It can't last a work day. I hit 30 percent before 11am from 85.

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[Q] average or bad battery life?

thinking about getting my battery swapped if VZW lets me (have had the phone since 7/10).. if not, then get a new one. but before i go into the store, i wanted to see if you guys think this is normal battery life from these screenshots. i have GPS off, Google location on, and only my Google account (Gmail, contacts, calendar) is in sync. i'm running a rooted stock rom (debloated VZW and Samsung apps by me).
in addition, the back of my phone gets really hot during regular data use (web, Facebook, Instagram, Engadget and Verge apps, ESPN, etc.. no games), to the point where it's uncomfortable to hold. i've heard that there might be a batch of bad batteries for the earlier shipments, so i was wondering if mine might be one of them. thanks for any input.
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Do you have 4G on at all times? I think my battery might be pretty bad too...I've been losing 10% every hour, so my phone pretty much lasts only 10-12 hours. I'm impressed by your 1 day battery life. Even if I have wifi only on and turn 4g off, I still only get 10% every hour. I think something might be wrong with my battery...I've factory reset it many times before too, wiping cache, and dalviks, I'm now on the stripped rooted stock.
that's not bad battery life. Especially sense it looks like you are not in great coverage area.
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so you got 32 hours on your phone and you are wondering if that is bad?????
from what I understand, these phones tend to get warm after lots of screen on time. so I believe thats normal.
I would accept your great battery life and call it a night.
I get up to 8 hours with 4g on at all times with heavy use. Phone only gets warm when i got the charger in it
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My phone reached 110° that's cause I was running my mobile hotspot and browsing the web.I've read 140°degrees is bad.do?? Your phone temp ever get this hot? My battery does get hot but only if I push it.
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After using the Chrome app for 30 minutes straight, my phone doesn't get noticeably hot. I've also used the Engadget, Verge, and Facebook apps for 10+ minutes in a row, and it doesn't get hot. The only time I have seen it get hot is playing games and charging. Even then, it's not bad.
I would say you have a gold battery lol, I rarely even get 18 hours on my batter even when 12 hours of that is just standby/listening to music.
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Do you have 4G on at all times?
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yea i do leave 4G on all the time.. still have unlimited, so i'm gonna take advantage of it and say screw you VZW!
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that's not bad battery life. Especially sense it looks like you are not in great coverage area.
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yea at home i get crappy coverage, but when at work (which is most of the day) in Midtown Manhattan, i get excellent signal. so it's a mix. i also stream Spotify a lot.
Hulk0069 said:
My phone reached 110° that's cause I was running my mobile hotspot and browsing the web.I've read 140°degrees is bad.do?? Your phone temp ever get this hot? My battery does get hot but only if I push it
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haven't had a proper measurement of the temp, but it feels like it does reach the upper 90s, and that's with light web browsing, so that's what worried me.
it's just that i see people who claim "heavy use" and get 4+ hours of screen time, which i found hard to believe, if they really are pushing the phone a lot, so i just thought maybe something's up with mine. thanks for all the input so far.
Looking at your battery consumption log, I'd say your battery life is pretty great.
Seeing as how your cell standby is 50%, you're either using a lot of 4G or you're in a crappy signal area. Or both. Haha.
Even if you buy a new battery, chances are that you won't get better battery life. Just charge the phone overnight and unplug in the morning. As a general rule of thumb, if you can squeeze 16 hours of usage out of your phone, you're doing pretty great.
yup, that seems pretty darn good to me. I get about the same 4G coverage as you with Verizon in my home 2-3 bars max (-100 to -120dBm), and I get ~14 hours before my phone is about to die. I also think I just use my phone a lot more than you lol. You only had 2.45 min of on screen time in a little over 1 day. I usually have close to that in the 12-14 hour days with my phone.
Agree with last two post...what else are you looking for looks good....
Should I ask for a new battery? 3 hours 30 minutes 30 min screen time and down to 67% battery.
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LG V20 battery life thread

I am beyond impressed so far. Today will be my first full day with it. Here are my results so far. Took off charger around 7:30a. 76% after 7 hours!!!!!
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Screen on time?
Obviously not using the phone that much but the doze feature seems to be working very well!!
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1h 25m
Granted that's not a lot of time, but I've used all my phones this same way during a work day. None of them have been at 76% after 7 hours.
The Nougat doze works incredibly well. last night from 11pm to 6:30 am the phone only lost 2% power. So when the phone is left alone, the standby is insane. Note that this is with the second screen on all night as well.
67% battery left on 51 minutes of screen on time over 12 hours and 8 minutes. Not bad for the first day. I expect it'll get better as the battery "finds itself."
I really didn't get into the screen until about lunchtime today. Using the phone for Poweramp it knocked about 10% off of full before lunch.
I don't have screenshots as I charged my phone before I saw this thread.
Today was a very busy day for me. I got roughly 4.5 hours of talk time, and 4 hours of SOT for about 9 hours with 20 something % battery life. My Note 7 wouldn't give me that much when I did have it, and my HTC 10 could never give me anything close to that.
Disabled a few apps and using ForceDoze app, battery is amazing so far!
Great battery life. Almost better than my note 7????
I lost almost 15% overnight Went to bed around 12:30, woke up about 9:45a. Didn't touch the phone at all.
Anyone know how to shrink the graph to show more time?
I went to bed with 74% and woke up with 74% . Not time to do the screenshot since im waiting for the phone to get to 0% to charge it up to a 100% again then do my testing of how long would it take for the phone to turn off while watching a video in 1440p (im going to use any 8 hour videos that has constantly moving images and see how it does.)
Im really hoping i get decent battery life, my note 7 was amazing i would average around 8 hours sot and squeezed out 9 a few times, so far 1st day with the v20 im at 47% with 3.5 hours sot. Id be happy with 7 hours sot
bayniner said:
Im really hoping i get decent battery life, my note 7 was amazing i would average around 8 hours sot and squeezed out 9 a few times, so far 1st day with the v20 im at 47% with 3.5 hours sot. Id be happy with 7 hours sot
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What were you doing to get that SOT? Seems unlikely using many GPU heavy apps. YouTube web and books?
I got 5 hours with Note 7, but SOT is relative to the user. My Note 4 with the new MM update, reset to stock and new battery gets the same.
rushless said:
What were you doing to get that SOT? Seems unlikely using many GPU heavy apps. YouTube web and books?
I got 5 hours with Note 7, but SOT is relative to the user. My Note 4 with the new MM update, reset to stock and new battery gets the same.
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Here's the last screen shot i saved of the note 7, 7.5 hours SOT and still had 20% battery left. I honestly wasn't doing anything special just disabled alot of useless apps, SOT was mainly web browsing and youtube
I see you have your screes brightness set to 28%. I'm sure that helped you achieve that stat. But congrats none the less. 7.5 hours of SOT is fantastic!
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I see you have your screes brightness set to 28%. I'm sure that helped you achieve that stat. But congrats none the less. 7.5 hours of SOT is fantastic!
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So that negates it?
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I see you have your screes brightness set to 28%. I'm sure that helped you achieve that stat. But congrats none the less. 7.5 hours of SOT is fantastic!
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Screen was not at 28% it was around half way up, the 28% is how much battery the screen killed
Tell me what you think
I went from 100% to 5% in 2 hours 57 minutes. It would have lasted up to 3 hours 5 minutes. Hey, i think it is great!!!! Lol do not think im a fool. Read below....
I was watching several videos, not on 720p nor 1080p, but on 1440p , full brightness, no autobrightness, wifi on and with 22 out of 35 apps constantly synchronizing . Also, speakers as loud as they could get. Ah, and recording the screen with an screen recorder app (sooo that is also added to my result). I was about to upload the video but... According to the app the file got corrupted because it has to be recorded with only one orientation and i used both orientations... Sooo, the video is gone lol. I will be doing a 1080p to see how long it last.
My 1st day with a full charge and i managed 5 hours 20 minutes SOT, hope it gets a little better once it settles in
way better than note 7 all day a bunch of emails many pictures at work and and it:good: end at 78%.

Screen on time

It's amazing how much we actually use our phones in a given day, especially when we watch "videos"! Rate this thread to express how many hours of screen-on time you can get on the Google Pixel 2 XL before depleting the battery.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
7 hours
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7+ SOT! Pretty crazy...
Here is mine from yesterday... Not really a heavy user.
Just curious - are all of using battery saving location mode?
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Just curious - are all of using battery saving location mode?
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Im not
Full day 6am until 2 am with 4 hours of gaming in there.
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cecho said:
Just curious - are all of using battery saving location mode?
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I'm not either. High accuracy mode was on the whole time
Out (on LTE only, no Wifi) and about regular usage (web, news, maps/navigation) - 13%/hour ~7.6 hours SOT
Camera (because the camera is THAT great) + Google photos editing and uploading - 17-25%/hour ~ 4-6 hours SOT
At home on Wifi regular usage- 6-7%/hour ~ 15 hours SOT
So was doing some testing for battery life. Used it till it shut off just a few minutes ago. I had taken a screen shot at 1% about 5min before it powered down figuring it was close. I took the phone off the charger yesterday at about 6:30am. I am not sure why wifi shows as 0% but I have been on wifi most of the day. I really liked the old Android battery screens better that showed wifi and cellular signal strength data as well.
From my experience the SOT is not even the problem. How is the standby battery consumption? The thing is I get 10 hours SOT on my Moto Z Play if I do a lot. BUT if I use the phone only lightly I'll still don't get more than 2 days battery life even though you would expect much more.
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From my experience the SOT is not even the problem. How is the standby battery consumption? The thing is I get 10 hours SOT on my Moto Z Play if I do a lot. BUT if I use the phone only lightly I'll still don't get more than 2 days battery life even though you would expect much more.
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Ambient features, how often your weather / email ect sync, how strong your cell signal is, how often your connected to WiFi instead of 3g/4g, and location services all affect stand by time.
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Ambient features, how often your weather / email ect sync, how strong your cell signal is, how often your connected to WiFi instead of 3g/4g, and location services all affect stand by time.
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Yeah I know but the thing is: compared to standby times of my iPhone 7 Plus the Pixel XL 1 standby was a joke.
I have installed basically the same apps on both devices. So I just hope that Android will finally catch up with Android 8, because up to now all Google initiatives to have better battery life were pretty bad.
That's why I would be interested to hear how this is going on the XL2.
This is going for 9+ hours sot!
Why can't I post pics? Says I don't have permission to post.
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This is going for 9+ hours sot!
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Mind sharing your settings/apps? I'm at the same percentage as you but barely getting 2hours sot :/ I don't think I have any battery draining apps installed besides instagram and snapchat. Maybe its standby drain? I lost almost 10% overnight (6 hours) and I'm not sure if this is normal.
melvinftw said:
Mind sharing your settings/apps? I'm at the same percentage as you but barely getting 2hours sot :/ I don't think I have any battery draining apps installed besides instagram and snapchat. Maybe its standby drain? I lost almost 10% overnight (6 hours) and I'm not sure if this is normal.
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You also have 10 hours more off the charger. I think that could easily result in the 1 hour difference in screen on time.
jimv1983 said:
You also have 10 hours more off the charger. I think that could easily result in the 1 hour difference in screen on time.
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True!! I have all the locations and everything on..nothing changed..4 emails sync8ng.. injustice simcity games..fb snapchat insta all installed..been on lte whole time..this phone is a beast..always used htc phones which are not bad..this is first time using google phone..however, eagerly waiti g for htc u11+ announcement..if its tempting i m8ght return pixel and go for htc
Pretty solid screen on time binge watching stranger things season 2. Honestly I think I could get another hr or more still with 22% left.

Any other Exynos users getting much below the average quoted SOT?

I'm on day 2 of using my UK Note 20 Ultra and the battery life is leaving a lot to be desired. Today I'm currently sitting at 49% battery with 1 hour 30 minutes screen on time. I'm using it very lightly as I'm mostly desk based while working.
I know the phone is still "Learning usage patterns" but this seems very little usage to be sitting below 50%. Is anyone else seeing similar?
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similar scenario for me unfortunately, i got 3 hours SOT which bought it down to 14% before i charged. Will give a week or so to see if it improves before deciding to return it or not.
Yeah you need to give it time and completely discharge the battery before charging again
Same Uk Model, its been absolutely appaling.. the things also getting too hot all the time doing basic stuff but forcing the dim screen. I'm really not too happy with this so far.. just had an update so maybe this will improve things... though as above gonna give it a week or so to see if things settle down.
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Same Uk Model, its been absolutely appaling.. the things also getting too hot all the time doing basic stuff but forcing the dim screen. I'm really not too happy with this so far.. just had an update so maybe this will improve things... though as above gonna give it a week or so to see if things settle down.
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Same here this thing gets super hot, just light browsing socials the screen gets warm. Just typing this out had lost me 1%. Have you got bad standby drain also? Mines terrible with absolutely nothing running. Samsung are theives not upgrading the chipset in this phone but giving the US brand spanking new Snapdragons?
Today was my 1st day using the note 20 ultra at work and I also had below par battery life, got around 2.5 hours sot during a 12 hour shift at the end of which the battery was below 10%, phone was on medium/low brightness using lte with low reception and my phone also got warm to the touch when browsing.
It takes about a week or more to settle for sure but these early reports are looking really bad @ the Exynos especially in terms of batterylife and unusual heating.
I ended today on 13% battery with 2hrs52mins SOT. Also find the phone gets extremely hot when doing basically anything for an extended period. Can't see me keeping this past the end of the first week, there's so much ground it would have to make up.
should i pull the trigger ? i can save mad money on the exynos version
i mean roms will be amazing for it
which can help it
Overnight about 8h now use battery dropped 12%
I'm not an exynos fan but getting 4:30 SOT and no heat at all. I haven't opened any games yet though just installed them
Just done a rolling video test with the Note 8 and Note 20 ultra. Both on full brightness playing the same set of files.
The Note 8 display is brighter and more colourful. After 3 hours or so the Note 20 ultra has 82% left and the Note 8 has 76%
If you look at the difference in battery capacity (4500 vs 3300) and the difference in screen size then I would say the Note 8 performs better even with the brighter display.
Im currently on snapdragon, but my s10+ was exynos and I never had this drain you guys are experiencing. This is unacceptable. I hope you guys can figure it out.
Remember the battery takes a couple of days to "learn your usage"
I never trust those marketing gimmick said it will learn your usage and batt life will improves... Just put all apps you did not use into deep sleep and frequent use into sleep. That give me 6 to 7 hours SOT 120hz with 10% left
4th day in Exynos. Phone has been on for 3 hours, 45 mins SOT consisting of browsing socials, no apps running in background 75% battery remaining ? This is terrible, can't see it getting better....
This is mine...
I'm getting about the same as my Note 10+. Moderate use all day and still have 30 to 40% left. So I'm happy.
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4th day in Exynos. Phone has been on for 3 hours, 45 mins SOT consisting of browsing socials, no apps running in background 75% battery remaining ? This is terrible, can't see it getting better....
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3 hours 45 min sot and now you are left with 75% battery?
What is the stand by you are getting?
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3 hours 45 min sot and now you are left with 75% battery?
What is the stand by you are getting?
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Sorry didn't make that clear enough. The phone had been on for 3 hours, only have 45 mins SOT left with 75% battery
It has been decent for me so far. This is the first charge cycle. But i was at home in wifi all the time (with 120hz adaptive setting)

Question Flip 4 Battery Life?

Wow!
I know it's not real world, but this is looking very good for battery life on the Flip 4.
From what I've seen and heard in 72 hour reviews on YouTube, the battery is much better than the 3. I'm hopeful.
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From what I've seen and heard in 72 hour reviews on YouTube, the battery is much better than the 3. I'm hopeful.
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I've gone from from 100% down to 74% in 12 hours so far, for my usage (Light/Moderate).
My Flip 3 would have been down to nearer 50 - 55%.
So far, so good
This is NOT a scientific appraisal, as every user has a different usage scenario.
1 week update.
Battery life has been so much better than my old Flip3 this last week.
My usual stats on the 3 were around 65-75% daily usage.
On the 4, it's showing my average usage is anywhere between 45-50% on a daily basis
Get mine tomorrow. If i get 4-5 hours SOT i would be thrilled.
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Get mine tomorrow. If i get 4-5 hours SOT i would be thrilled.
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Give us a review about the battery life!
real world tests show I get atleast 25-30% better batery life as well.
I had the flip 3 since release, battery life was pretty horrible. Have been running this flip 4 for a couple days and I can say the longer lasting battery is very noticable. The claimed better battery life is the main reason I decided to upgrade, along with the great trade in credit
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Get mine tomorrow. If i get 4-5 hours SOT i would be thrilled.
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I used to get 4-5 hours of screen time on my flip3, but that would end the day on about 15% battery remaining (starting from 85%, as I had it set to stop charging to protect the battery).
I now get 4-5 hours screen time out of my flip4, and still have 40%+ battery left (also starting at 85%).
Still learning patterns etc for the adaptive battery and background apps and suchlike, so it may even get better.
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I used to get 4-5 hours of screen time on my flip3, but that would end the day on about 15% battery remaining (starting from 85%, as I had it set to stop charging to protect the battery).
I now get 4-5 hours screen time out of my flip4, and still have 40%+ battery left (also starting at 85%).
Still learning patterns etc for the adaptive battery and background apps and suchlike, so it may even get better.
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I'm only getting 4 hours on my flip 4... DId you change any battery settings or settings at all to get better battery life? Thanks
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I'm only getting 4 hours on my flip 4... DId you change any battery settings or settings at all to get better battery life? Thanks
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OMG, that is very bad only a 4-hour battery is not enough for a day of usage! I'm getting the phone and hope there will be updates for good battery optimization!
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OMG, that is very bad only a 4-hour battery is not enough for a day of usage! I'm getting the phone and hope there will be updates for good battery optimization!
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My battery also is so bad
My battery is no better then my S22 which was horrible.
The battery in mine is also horrible. I got it on August 18, only charged it to 100% once, but according to AccuBattery the capacity is just above 3200 mAh (see below).
My primary reason for buying it was its 3700 mAh battery instead of the 3300 mAh in the Z Flip 3.
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im getting the same in accubattery
I get between 4-6 SOT with mixed WiFi/LTE usage. Honestly what surprises me is that the Z Flip4 gets me more through the day vs my S22Ultra, but the WQHD+ and > screen explains it.
So the Flip4 would usually give me better SOT vs my S22U.
Battery not as good as my last phone, which was like carrying a brick, but seems good enough. My issue is I like to use wireless charging, and seems takes 12 hours to charge to 100 from 35percent battery. Going to try another brand charger, but current one supports flip 4 max charge rate.
Edit: Found issue, my wall plug was too old, didn't support higher amps out
Better than the flip 3 for me. I only charge to 85 percent before bed, unplug, then use through the day as needed. I'm in my computer for work more than my phone, so I'm not a mobile "power user" by any means. Have more than 20 percent at night when I plug it in usually. If I'm driving then I have it plugged in while I drive, so maybe the accounts for my good numbers.
fjer said:
The battery in mine is also horrible. I got it on August 18, only charged it to 100% once, but according to AccuBattery the capacity is just above 3200 mAh (see below).
My primary reason for buying it was its 3700 mAh battery instead of the 3300 mAh in the Z Flip 3.
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I am getting the same battery health here. Did you return your phone? is this some first round phone problem?

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