Hey guys, I own a Photon Q and plan on buying another for parts as mine got scratched up bad on a recent hike. i was playing around with other roms and thought I'd start a discussion thread for the few people still rocking the best QWERTY phone ever made.
My setup:
Sailfish OS 2.1.3.7 (need to update to 2.1.4.14 soon)
Rainbow backlight
Sim modded obviously
It's fast, stable, and the battery life on Sailfish is easily double what I got on CM11 or even CM10.2
What other roms have I used?
LOS14.1 - Fast and lot's of fun, but the battery life was just garbage. Battery life was my only complaint, 15% gone in 30 minutes? REALLY?
CM11 - Fast but again, bad battery life.
CM12.1 - Oddly really slow compared to the above two but the battery life was meh, I blame different default clock speeds
CM10.2 - the best android rom. Decent Speed, decent battery life. Only issue is, you know, it's android 4.3.1, I prefer ICS over JB and wish CM9 was available.
Sailfish OS - of course, my favorite. Its super fast, and the battery is at 78% at the end of the day for me. It's something you just need to try for yourself. If you don't mind losing android app support make the switch you won't regret it.
What are you guys using? what tweaks? what rom? what hardware mods? what new phones/old phones are you looking at?
The Best rom for the PQ is still the Jelly bean PacMan.
Whatever, given my actual SIM has troubles with it, I'm using the LineageOS Marshmallow release, moddedd to use the micro G instead of a ton of google crap.
Speaking of microG, looks like almost no one is aware that we have a ready to go nougat rom built for the PQ, since December 2017
https://download.lineage.microg.org/xt897/
P.S.
About battery life, it's my last problem since my Photons (and Droid 4) are all modded to 2600 or 3000mA/h batteries.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/photon-q-4g-lte/general/real-2600mah-battery-mod-t3308399
A mod too cheap and too easy to accomplish to stay with stock batteries (possibly exhausted ones, even if bought brand new, given the 6 years timeframe)
I'm running Lineage 14.1 and for me it's really slow lately, along with the poor battery life. I recently wiped and started fresh and only installed minimum things I use, but can't even play solitare now without it lagging.
In the past I've ran everything starting with CM11, 12 and 13. There was a carbon ROM I ran once when CM updates were stalled on our device but can't remember which OTMH. I never ran stock or CM10 so no experience with Jellybean or what limitations it might have.
I'd consider sailfish but there are two apps I kinda rely on, google hangouts/dialer (for google voice), and accession (an app that works with my home voip phone # that is included with my internet subscription) and although I've never looked for sailfish apps, I doubt they have em...
Never heard of MicroG, time to read...
The Solutor said:
The Best rom for the PQ is still the Jelly bean PacMan.
Whatever, given my actual SIM has troubles with it, I'm using the LineageOS Marshmallow release, moddedd to use the micro G instead of a ton of google crap.
Speaking of microG, looks like almost no one is aware that we have a ready to go nougat rom built for the PQ, since December 2017
https://download.lineage.microg.org/xt897/
P.S.
About battery life, it's my last problem since my Photons (and Droid 4) are all modded to 2600 or 3000mA/h batteries.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/photon-q-4g-lte/general/real-2600mah-battery-mod-t3308399
A mod too cheap and too easy to accomplish to stay with stock batteries (possibly exhausted ones, even if bought brand new, given the 6 years timeframe)
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c-could it be... an easier alternative??? http://de.tmart.com/2850mAh-High-Ca...Motorola-EB41-XT894-XT898-Golden_p252664.html
I don't have a soldering setup so anything I can just toss in there is great.
Galaxyninja66 said:
c-could it be... an easier alternative??? http://de.tmart.com/2850mAh-High-Ca...Motorola-EB41-XT894-XT898-Golden_p252664.html
I don't have a soldering setup so anything I can just toss in there is great.
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The best you can expect from it is a 1780mA battery in a good state, that may be an improvement over a "tired" old stock one, but most likely you will get a stock battery folded in a shiny gold sticker.
The soldering iron is not that important, a bit of soldering skill and manuality is.
Nothing dramatic given we are talking of just 4 soldering point, far easier than the ones needed to SIM mod the phone
You can get a cheap soldering iron good enough for the purpose for 10€ or so, and you can get a LG battery for a similar price (and you can get them locally to avoid the import fees).
But you can't buy the skill, better to ask to a local technician if you feel the job too complicate for you.
The Solutor said:
The best you can expect from it is a 1780mA battery in a good state, that may be an improvement over a "tired" old stock one, but most likely you will get a stock battery folded in a shiny gold sticker.
The soldering iron is not that important, a bit of soldering skill and manuality is.
Nothing dramatic given we are talking of just 4 soldering point, far easier than the ones needed to SIM mod the phone
You can get a cheap soldering iron good enough for the purpose for 10€ or so, and you can get a LG battery for a similar price (and you can get them locally to avoid the import fees).
But you can't buy the skill, better to ask to a local technician if you feel the job too complicate for you.
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*heavy breathing*
this is way over my head. I know how but I don't feel like buying a soldering iron and a bunch of batteries.
Battery life is fine in sailfish, ~70-80% end of day with data and wifi on and occasional usage checking the time and texting and browsing image boards and stuff.
enigma9o7 said:
I'm running Lineage 14.1 and for me it's really slow lately, along with the poor battery life. I recently wiped and started fresh and only installed minimum things I use, but can't even play solitare now without it lagging.
In the past I've ran everything starting with CM11, 12 and 13. There was a carbon ROM I ran once when CM updates were stalled on our device but can't remember which OTMH. I never ran stock or CM10 so no experience with Jellybean or what limitations it might have.
I'd consider sailfish but there are two apps I kinda rely on, google hangouts/dialer (for google voice), and accession (an app that works with my home voip phone # that is included with my internet subscription) and although I've never looked for sailfish apps, I doubt they have em...
Never heard of MicroG, time to read...
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Well Lollipop, Marshmallow and Nougat can be even faster than ICS or JB (often way faster), especially if you install them on F2FS.
What makes the phone really slow are two things:
#1 Google recent services (just use the microG)
Current "Pico" Gapps .zip = 129MB,
MicroG + Fdroid store .zip = 5.8MB
MicroG + Google Playstore .zip = 29MB
#2 Recent pointlessly bloated apps.
No one force you to use, (say) the last version of facebook AND messenger, just use Aptoide to "downgrade" them to a decent version.
The last time I checked Facebook v 1.xxx was still doing the same job as the latest FB + Messenger apps (a better job being not split over 2 apps).
But FB 1.xx was 4MB or so, the latest FB+ Messenger are something like 72+48 MB (!!!).
The same is applicable to almost every app
In short don't be fool, use what you need and what fits your needs, not what google/fb/whatever wants.
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Galaxyninja66 said:
*heavy breathing*
this is way over my head. I know how but I don't feel like buying a soldering iron and a bunch of batteries.
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Obviously that's matter of personal preferences, and depends on the status of the old battery. If it's good enough it's good enough.
Battery life is fine in sailfish, ~70-80% end of day with data and wifi on and occasional usage checking the time and texting and browsing image boards and stuff.
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Frankly being an old Maemo user I had high hopes in sailfish, but when I tested it briefly I didn't like it that much. A thing that I especially missed was a decent browser doing a good text wrap/reflow.
Google genius managed to remove it in Android as well, since KitKat, but on android there are very good alternatives Opera, Yandex, HTC Internet, and other choices like Dolphin (until MM), Firefox + addons and so on.
What's the Sailfish status in that area?
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Well Lollipop, Marshmallow and Nougat can be even faster than ICS or JB (often way faster), especially if you install them on F2FS.
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I have data as F2FS as CM didn't support f2fs system back when I first did that. Just now I rebooted to TWRP and reformatted cache as F2FS as that seemed safe and easy. Do current versions of LOS support F2FS system too? If so how to do system, format then reflash?
I looked into MicroG this afternoon. No hangouts/dialer support, and that's a must-have for me as I use google voice as primary contact number, I don't even know my real cell #s. Woulda been nice to try tho, kinda like Sailfish!
I have very few apps installed, certainly no facebook or any social media anything besides hangouts, can't really think of anything to downgrade. Ah well.
enigma9o7 said:
I have data as F2FS as CM didn't support f2fs system back when I first did that. Just now I rebooted to TWRP and reformatted cache as F2FS as that seemed safe and easy. Do current versions of LOS support F2FS system too? If so how to do system, format then reflash?
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F2FS is supported since LP.
There is also a PQ KitKat ROM with backported F2FS support.
To get full advantage of it you should have both /data and /cache partitions on f2fs.
So do a nandroid backup of your data partition, then reformat it, then restore.
Keep in mind that your "internal SD" is just a subfolder of /data, so you need to backup your data inside it as well, or just move temporarily them to the external SD
There is no point on formatting /system given it's mostly static, and also given the rom installer will reformat it to ext4 anyway.
I looked into MicroG this afternoon. No hangouts/dialer support, and that's a must-have for me as I use google voice as primary contact number, I don't even know my real cell #s. Woulda been nice to try tho, kinda like Sailfish!
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I don't have google voice on my phone since the days of Milestone 1, which come with a good internal voice recognizing app, small, local and effective (I think it still works)
By the way, although the idea is to get rid of most of the original Gapps as possible, most of them still works on properly patched microG phones, I have no idea if Hangouts is included in that list, never used it in my life.
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So do a nandroid backup of your data partition, then reformat it, then restore.
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There is no point on formatting /system given it's mostly static, and also given the rom installer will reformat it to ext4 anyway.
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By the way, although the idea is to get rid of most of the original Gapps as possible, most of them still works on properly patched microG phones, I have no idea if Hangouts is included in that list, never used it in my life.
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As I mentioned, in my case, data was already f2fs and I just did cache. Sounds like still no support for system. So I'm set, thanks.
I already searched about hangouts and microG, no dice, read several posts including recent ones, people wanting it for google voice no luck. there is some limited support for some IMs but anyways I need full incoming calls and dialer.
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Sounds like still no support for system. So I'm set, thanks.
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System is basically a read only partition that changes only when you install a new rom, a zip from TWRP, or when you use a root file explorer to change somthing.
No writes = no need for a smarter FS.
That said I believe that, if you backup your system partition then you restore it on FSFS, it will work. The kernel supports it and I don't think it's "racist" about the partition involved.
Just there is no point in doing that, minimal (if any) improvements, v.s. possible troubles.
I already searched about hangouts and microG, no dice, read several posts including recent ones, people wanting it for google voice no luck. there is some limited support for some IMs but anyways I need full incoming calls and dialer.
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Ok.
But even on a Gapp Based ROM is still a pleasure to use Yalp over the Playstore.
When the resources are limited, anything that can be removed/replaced by a leaner version helps to improve the responsiveness.
The Solutor said:
Well Lollipop, Marshmallow and Nougat can be even faster than ICS or JB (often way faster), especially if you install them on F2FS.
What makes the phone really slow are two things:
#1 Google recent services (just use the microG)
Current "Pico" Gapps .zip = 129MB,
MicroG + Fdroid store .zip = 5.8MB
MicroG + Google Playstore .zip = 29MB
Stock browser is stock browser : (
I don't mind it and most people don;t, but the next best thing is webcat, which is basically the same thing.
#2 Recent pointlessly bloated apps.
No one force you to use, (say) the last version of facebook AND messenger, just use Aptoide to "downgrade" them to a decent version.
The last time I checked Facebook v 1.xxx was still doing the same job as the latest FB + Messenger apps (a better job being not split over 2 apps).
But FB 1.xx was 4MB or so, the latest FB+ Messenger are something like 72+48 MB (!!!).
The same is applicable to almost every app
In short don't be fool, use what you need and what fits your needs, not what google/fb/whatever wants.
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Obviously that's matter of personal preferences, and depends on the status of the old battery. If it's good enough it's good enough.
Frankly being an old Maemo user I had high hopes in sailfish, but when I tested it briefly I didn't like it that much. A thing that I especially missed was a decent browser doing a good text wrap/reflow.
Google genius managed to remove it in Android as well, since KitKat, but on android there are very good alternatives Opera, Yandex, HTC Internet, and other choices like Dolphin (until MM), Firefox + addons and so on.
What's the Sailfish status in that area?
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honestly? The browser is what you get, that's it : (
The issue (for you atleast) is that most people, myself included, don't mind the stock browser enough to develop a new application. webcat is the only alternative and event then it is basically an even more barebones version of the stock firefox based browser. I notice the bad text wrapping too, but to be honest the benefits outweigh the consequences of using Sailfish in my opinion, but if you have the battery mod, you don't really need to run it unless you hate android's UI (like me). granted I loved holo ICS, but anything after or before 4.0.x I didn't like much, especially compared to sailfish.
Galaxyninja66 said:
honestly? The browser is what you get, that's it : (
The issue (for you atleast) is that most people, myself included, don't mind the stock browser enough to develop a new application. webcat is the only alternative and event then it is basically an even more barebones version of the stock firefox based browser. I notice the bad text wrapping too, but to be honest the benefits outweigh the consequences of using Sailfish in my opinion, but if you have the battery mod, you don't really need to run it unless you hate android's UI (like me). granted I loved holo ICS, but anything after or before 4.0.x I didn't like much, especially compared to sailfish.
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Frankly If it was for my I was still using Gingerbread, Surely its UI was not silky and refined like the new iterations, but the UX was light years better than anything that came later.
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Back to the browser, I feel incredible that I was able to have a good mobile experience using my P800 (which is the very first real smartphone, from 2002) or even a micro phone like the siemens SL-55 with its stamp sized display, while I couldn't get the same, in the AD2018, on a brand new smartphone, which has hundreds of times the power and the memory of them.
I feel just retarded that google moved the setting menu on the top left corner, just when the display started to become surf board sized, and i could continue for a day...
I feel completely crazy how most users decided to back any idiotic idea spooned to them by the big brothers. Starting from the terminology.
Think to "Sideloading"... seriously ?
Installing a program on my device, possibly a program written and compiled by myself is SIDE loading ? ?
I couldn't think to anything more "straight" and less "side" than that.
In short I try to limit the damage exactly like you do, then we give different value to different aspects of the device usage. Which is normal and human.
The point is not how we try to fix a problem, the point is that nowadays most people doesn't even realize that there is a problem to solve.:crying:
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Hi all,
(I just joined today - hope you would go easy on me as I am still learning the xda etiquette.)
Just received my T-mobile HTC myTouch 4G slide and activated it on Sunday.
(Now before I jump onto my first impression of the phone, let me be clear - Till Sunday, I was proud owner of Nokia N900. I still love that phone. But I had to jump onto the Android bangwagor sooner or later since Nokia decided to to WinMo way. N900 was a solid phone with an unpolished/unfinished OS. Nokia never gave it a chance to mature.)
So, please keep in mind that I am new to Android as well as HTC and the phone itself.
Here is what I liked in my one full day of playing with the hardware and the OS/Software:
1. Android is fast, stable and polished, and enough apps to install one every day for rest of my life.
2. Phone is fast, not much stutter, has not crashed yet. Data connection is stable and voice quality is good.
3. UI looks, er, shiny (I do not give much weight to this, but apparently, a lot of people do, given popularity of 'certain' phones).
4. Keyboard is good. (one of the main reasons to buy the phone, as querty keyboard is a must for me )
Now onto negatives:
1. Lack of user control - though I have flexibility in controlling a lot of things on Android, there are a lot of other things which I really want to control but can not - i.e. uninstall t-mo / HCT bloatware (see my next point).
2. Bloatware - this was a shock to me. N900 is a clean device with no crap installed. T-Mo and HTC made sure I start hating my phone on day one by giving me pre-installed uninstallable crap. Not only I do not want them, it actually confuses me. I do not have a dedicated media player - but I have a 'Media Room' with T-Mobile TV and Slacker Radio (and none of them are complete versions). Bejeweled 2, T-mo backup, Highlight, Friend Stream - the list goes on, and I can not remove any of the app.
3. Android - no default file manager. Are you kidding me?
4. Contact - multiple entries from multiple sources (i.e. 411 & more is listed 4 times - one from google, one from tmo backup, one from phone and one from sd card). I know I can link them, or disable view of some of them, but god damn it - it's confusing as hell.
5. Camera - now don't get me wrong. The camera on this phone may be one of the best among Android/iphone phones, but where it gives you a lot of megapixels, the lens (and hence the quality) does not hold water against N900. Software can not make up for hardware limitations.
6. Battery - I almost ran out of juice before I even reached home from work in the evening - and that too from very limited use. Yes, I used phone for quite a bit, but without wireless/gps. I understand the display eats battery, but come on - shouldn't a smartphone be up on batter for one full day?
I will add more as I come across.
Please note that this is not a rant - there is some genuine disappointment with my first real hands on with Android/HTC. With the bloatware on this phone, I feel like I am being take advantage off, and I hate that feeling.
I am a linux user for 12 years (personally and professionally - as a programmer) and I consider myself a power-user (though not anywhere near Guru level), and so far, the phone has not given me even a default file browser.
I really hope to find more positive things to say, as I am committed to Android now that there is hardly any other linux-y OS out there.
Thanks
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I agree. i havent upgraded since the G1.... i was very excited ... and first hands on was huge disapointment. bloatware, yes, and no skype video ...thats an android issue but none the less the phone seemed very unorganized and i was getting a billion messages from all over the internet with the bloatware subrcribing me to every little notification.
All of your problems except for "Camera issues" will be fixed as soon as S-OFF is available, and dev's will begin porting roms and developing roms. I expect overclocking to be tremendous with this dual core processor, since the mytouch 4g can now be clocked to over 2.0 ghz.
*If you want a file manager download astro from the market.
I forgot whether it requires root or not. If that one does, there are many other file managers just search.
Seems like the judgments are extra harsh and could all be solved by software, unrooting, etc. I'm stoked to be able to overclock to 2 GHz and then some. S-OFF on the MT4GS will be awesome!!!
There are many very good free media players/music players on the market (ex. Tinyplayer) . Same with the file managers, Astro is recommended. That's what the market is there for, as they knew dovelopers could provide the device with excellent applications.
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Can you confirm if google talk video chat works? I've heard it does not support it even though it's 2.3.4 . Thank you.
NAZology said:
Can you confirm if google talk video chat works? I've heard it does not support it even though it's 2.3.4 . Thank you.
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It seems you have heard it right.
Apparently, I did not know:
1. Android 2.3.4 enabled voice/video chat for GTalk app.
2. I certainly did not know HTC/T-MO decided to disable it!
Instead, there is Qik Video Chat app from tmo. For some reason, they think it's equivalent to gtalk? *facepalm*
(Now I hope I am wrong, but I have checked all options on GTalk app, and I do not see either video or audio icon next to my contacts, even if they are available to chat on video).
Let me add that to another negative.
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All of your problems except for "Camera issues" will be fixed as soon as S-OFF is available, and dev's will begin porting roms and developing roms. I expect overclocking to be tremendous with this dual core processor, since the mytouch 4g can now be clocked to over 2.0 ghz.
*If you want a file manager download astro from the market.
I forgot whether it requires root or not. If that one does, there are many other file managers just search.
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Thanks. I know it's pretty new device, and mods/root/s-off will be available soon. That's why I have registered here. I was just giving first impression of the stock device. Yes, I have already downloaded Astro (does not require root). Not much impressed, but gets the job done.
unclespoon said:
Seems like the judgments are extra harsh and could all be solved by software, unrooting, etc. I'm stoked to be able to overclock to 2 GHz and then some. S-OFF on the MT4GS will be awesome!!!
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Yes, I know it would get resolved by software/unrooting. That's why I am on this forum. As I said above, these is my first impression of the stock device. And no - I don't think it's harsh at all. Sorry if I came across like that.
aronck said:
There are many very good free media players/music players on the market (ex. Tinyplayer) . Same with the file managers, Astro is recommended. That's what the market is there for, as they knew dovelopers could provide the device with excellent applications.
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Sure there are. But my point is that there are some apps which should come by default on the phone as part of the OS (e.g. Google Search, Contact, Calendar are part of the vanilla Android), and File manager should be at the very top. Anyways, I have already downloaded Astro, and many other apps to play around with it.
I am definitely looking forward to get rid of the software as soon as I can. Otherwise, this baby will have to go back.
Thank you for your comments.
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It seems you have heard it right.
Apparently, I did not know:
1. Android 2.3.4 enabled voice/video chat for GTalk app.
2. I certainly did not know HTC/T-MO decided to disable it!
Instead, there is Qik Video Chat app from tmo. For some reason, they think it's equivalent to gtalk? *facepalm*
(Now I hope I am wrong, but I have checked all options on GTalk app, and I do not see either video or audio icon next to my contacts, even if they are available to chat on video).
Let me add that to another negative.
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How about Skype support since no one I know or no one those people know or those people know that know those people uses Gtalk or Qik.
rorytmeadows said:
How about Skype support since no one I know or no one those people know or those people know that know those people uses Gtalk or Qik.
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Skype is audio only. No video support.
I moved from a very old android phone so this phone has so far not been able to truly lag on me.
My last phone was regular android even with stock so that is what I wanted. I'm not one to modify my home screen at all. I like the default black 2.3 look and that's what I want. Not Sense.
The fact that I have to void my warranty just to remove it makes me furious. Of course I could bring it back to none rooted state for that. Regardless I think it's hilarious that a bunch of marketing folks think they know better then I do. Heh.
I've made Android apps before and actually code for a living so it's pretty easy to tell that it's a rushed job. The sense front end has no way to disable contact finding so your phone basically becomes facebook and puts contact suggestions directly into your notifications based on your contacts.
Every single "built in" application then requires you to then agree to the terms of service for that specific application. Things like "KidZone", "Highlight", "T-Mobile Mall", "T-Mobile TV". One of the silliest ones is "doubleTwist" which when opened shows you a splash that asks you to click a "Send Email" button which sends you a link to download the app. It then removes itself off the phone. Sounds like malware to me.
So some company payed off Tmo to put this app on my phone so they can harvest my email. Yay.
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I don't have time for this bull****. Where's my cyanogenmod!!
Akujin said:
I don't have time for this bull****. Where's my cyanogenmod!!
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I'm personally hoping Faux123 cooks us some roms lol
Akujin said:
I don't have time for this bull****. Where's my cyanogenmod!!
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I'm personally hoping Blah and Sparks port PyroMod to the MT4Gs after root and S-Off are achieved. But that's just me, and I like to add as much memory as possible (A2EXT would certainly enable THAT).
Also, to OP, just wait until root is available and you'll see just how amazing Android can be. I recommend OI File Manager for a default one (this is the one preinstalled on Cyanogenmod-based ROMs). I switched to this one after too many buggy Astro updates and they started with ad-supported versions.
eismcsquare said:
Hi all,
(I just joined today - hope you would go easy on me as I am still learning the xda etiquette.)
Just received my T-mobile HTC myTouch 4G slide and activated it on Sunday.
(Now before I jump onto my first impression of the phone, let me be clear - Till Sunday, I was proud owner of Nokia N900. I still love that phone. But I had to jump onto the Android bangwagor sooner or later since Nokia decided to to WinMo way. N900 was a solid phone with an unpolished/unfinished OS. Nokia never gave it a chance to mature.)
So, please keep in mind that I am new to Android as well as HTC and the phone itself.
Here is what I liked in my one full day of playing with the hardware and the OS/Software:
1. Android is fast, stable and polished, and enough apps to install one every day for rest of my life.
2. Phone is fast, not much stutter, has not crashed yet. Data connection is stable and voice quality is good.
3. UI looks, er, shiny (I do not give much weight to this, but apparently, a lot of people do, given popularity of 'certain' phones).
4. Keyboard is good. (one of the main reasons to buy the phone, as querty keyboard is a must for me )
Now onto negatives:
1. Lack of user control - though I have flexibility in controlling a lot of things on Android, there are a lot of other things which I really want to control but can not - i.e. uninstall t-mo / HCT bloatware (see my next point).
2. Bloatware - this was a shock to me. N900 is a clean device with no crap installed. T-Mo and HTC made sure I start hating my phone on day one by giving me pre-installed uninstallable crap. Not only I do not want them, it actually confuses me. I do not have a dedicated media player - but I have a 'Media Room' with T-Mobile TV and Slacker Radio (and none of them are complete versions). Bejeweled 2, T-mo backup, Highlight, Friend Stream - the list goes on, and I can not remove any of the app.
3. Android - no default file manager. Are you kidding me?
4. Contact - multiple entries from multiple sources (i.e. 411 & more is listed 4 times - one from google, one from tmo backup, one from phone and one from sd card). I know I can link them, or disable view of some of them, but god damn it - it's confusing as hell.
5. Camera - now don't get me wrong. The camera on this phone may be one of the best among Android/iphone phones, but where it gives you a lot of megapixels, the lens (and hence the quality) does not hold water against N900. Software can not make up for hardware limitations.
6. Battery - I almost ran out of juice before I even reached home from work in the evening - and that too from very limited use. Yes, I used phone for quite a bit, but without wireless/gps. I understand the display eats battery, but come on - shouldn't a smartphone be up on batter for one full day?
I will add more as I come across.
Please note that this is not a rant - there is some genuine disappointment with my first real hands on with Android/HTC. With the bloatware on this phone, I feel like I am being take advantage off, and I hate that feeling.
I am a linux user for 12 years (personally and professionally - as a programmer) and I consider myself a power-user (though not anywhere near Guru level), and so far, the phone has not given me even a default file browser.
I really hope to find more positive things to say, as I am committed to Android now that there is hardly any other linux-y OS out there.
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You say you are a Linux developer, and you are complaining about bloatware? You are kidding right?
Android1126 said:
You say you are a Linux developer, and you are complaining about bloatware? You are kidding right?
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Please. Read the title of the post first.
I just realized something: Why hasn't the hacking/development community made a "status of root update" thread for the Doubleshot the way they did for the Vision? Permaroot and S-OFF are what's really holding me back from getting this device (PyroMod 2.3.5's speedy boot time on the Vision actually DOES rival that of dual-core phones, so I'm in no hurry to get it; I'm just asking why there isn't one).
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I just realized something: Why hasn't the hacking/development community made a "status of root update" thread for the Doubleshot the way they did for the Vision? Permaroot and S-OFF are what's really holding me back from getting this device (PyroMod 2.3.5's speedy boot time on the Vision actually DOES rival that of dual-core phones, so I'm in no hurry to get it; I'm just asking why there isn't one).
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You could make it?
So I got my Nvidia Shield a while back. The first thing I did when getting it was installing all the updates. Eventually after the final update was installed, I did a full factory reset of the device.
I have hardly any apps installed besides the essential Google applications, but my Nvidia Shield still feels remarkably slow. Chrome is practically unusable, and switching between apps is not a pleasant experience at all. That said, benchmarks and games perform wonderfully, which has me a bit puzzled. There doesnt seem to be any problems with memory leaks as there is plenty of RAM available. I do tend to restart it quite often just to see if it makes a difference, but I doesnt really feel like it has much of an impact.
Does anyone here have similar issues at all? I have worked with Android quite a bit and never have I experienced a system run Android so much worse than you would expect given the hardware specifications. My Nexus 10 feels a lot more snappy in general use.
Thanks for any help
All I can say is that I have a similar experience to you, although I have quite a lot of applications installed. I don't have any solutions for you, only to wait and hope that nvidia optimises the software for the hardware in the next update (Android 5.1 hopefully)
It's up to you, but I will recommend you to try this:
1) Unlock bootloader and Root (If you haven't).
2) Use CWM in this thread as custom recovery, I know TWRP is fancier but has some issues while flashing and wiping stuff, tending to not cleanly install things.
3) Try @BitOBSessiOn custom CM12 ROM here.
4) As stated there, avoid CM gapps, we don't know why but they are culprit of making the system lag A LOT making it almost unusable as you posted, specially if you frequently use Facebook and Chrome. Instead use the minimal gapps posted there.
5) Really important step: Activate Developer Options and disable all animations, lollipop men leak resides on a function called when the system draws them, so the only temporal fix for this is disabling them, after that, reboot and kill any bloatware app on options > apps (G+, FB, Messenger, Vine, Chrome, etc)
6) Profit
I've had this problem too.
I just turned off battery saver. It got too low, automatically turned on and I didn't realize but when I turned it off, it got way faster.
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It's up to you, but I will recommend you to try this:
1) Unlock bootloader and Root (If you haven't).
2) Use CWM in this thread as custom recovery, I know TWRP is fancier but has some issues while flashing and wiping stuff, tending to not cleanly install things.
3) Try @BitOBSessiOn custom CM12 ROM here.
4) As stated there, avoid CM gapps, we don't know why but they are culprit of making the system lag A LOT making it almost unusable as you posted, specially if you frequently use Facebook and Chrome. Instead use the minimal gapps posted there.
5) Really important step: Activate Developer Options and disable all animations, lollipop men leak resides on a function called when the system draws them, so the only temporal fix for this is disabling them, after that, reboot and kill any bloatware app on options > apps (G+, FB, Messenger, Vine, Chrome, etc)
6) Profit
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The Lollipop memleak bug is pretty easy to detect though and that's not what's causing the performance issue on the Shield Tablet. At least not in my case. While I would normally be the first to unlock my bootloader and port CM to my new device, I would want to keep my tablet stock.
Im glad to know I'm not the only one experiencing issues so Im going to assume that there's nothing specifically wrong with my device in particular. I guess Ill give Nvidia one more chance to rectify performance issues with their next update, otherwise I'm selling the tablet and buying a Nexus 9 or something else.
I have the same experience. I have flashed the latest recovery image, unlocked and rooted. I have disabled apps I don't need and does not have a lot of apps installed. It is unbelievable slow. Like stated above Chrome is almost useless and switching apps is painful. I am using my Nexus 10 too, the Shield tablet will collect dust until there is a fix released.
If I have the time I will try flashing CM12 but I rather stay stock.
You should give it a shot...
Chrome lag totally solved. Most Nvidia apps work. Only deal breaker is the controller, but a ps3 controller can be paired via BT using sixaxis app.
albertorodast2007 said:
Chrome lag totally solved. Most Nvidia apps work. Only deal breaker is the controller, but a ps3 controller can be paired via BT using sixaxis app.
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This has almost convinced me to switch to cm12.
If it just werent for the loss of Dabbler, some other Nvidia apps and the fact that I have a looooot of apps installed...
Not worried about gamepad, because I use an ipega 9023.
I may have found the holy grail of slow laggy freezy hell! https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jrummy.apps.memory.manager under tasks go to 3 dot menu at top right choose minfree manager pick the top silder and max it out. Hit apply, let app stay in background and proceed with speedy happy days.
I don't know why but it won't keep the settings after boot no matter what I do but I can live with it now and don't fantasize about smashing it with a rock anymore.
I should mention short of non-stock Nvidia roms I tried EVERYTHING twice! This just works for 3 days now perfectly. I actually might even trust it in a week for actual work applications. My poor old Nexus 7 gen one was totally owning the Shield except for game until now.
I have a LTE USA model running rooted 4.4 Kit Kat. I would guess this will work with 5 as well.
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NaminatoR1254jaime.sier said:
This has almost convinced me to switch to cm12.
If it just werent for the loss of Dabbler, some other Nvidia apps and the fact that I have a looooot of apps installed...
Not worried about gamepad, because I use an ipega 9023.
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Root your tab. Do a nandroid backup, backup your apps with titanium backup, flash cm or team eos rom (gotta plug my stuff, restore your apps with titanium. If you don't like it, restore your nandroid and you're back like nothing ever happened.
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Root your tab. Do a nandroid backup, backup your apps with titanium backup, flash cm or team eos rom (gotta plug my stuff, restore your apps with titanium. If you don't like it, restore your nandroid and you're back like nothing ever happened.
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I have it rooted, with xposed, and a lot of apps. I may try CM over the weekend.
NaminatoR1254jaime.sier said:
This has almost convinced me to switch to cm12.
If it just werent for the loss of Dabbler, some other Nvidia apps and the fact that I have a looooot of apps installed...
Not worried about gamepad, because I use an ipega 9023.
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Dabbler works fine on CM. It's on the Play Store.
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Dabbler works fine on CM. It's on the Play Store.
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And GRID also works fine. The only deal breakers (and the ones every dev is working hard to make em work on AOSP) are console mode and the controller wireless pairing.
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I may have found the holy grail of slow laggy freezy hell! https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jrummy.apps.memory.manager under tasks go to 3 dot menu at top right choose minfree manager pick the top silder and max it out. Hit apply, let app stay in background and proceed with speedy happy days.
I don't know why but it won't keep the settings after boot no matter what I do but I can live with it now and don't fantasize about smashing it with a rock anymore.
I should mention short of non-stock Nvidia roms I tried EVERYTHING twice! This just works for 3 days now perfectly. I actually might even trust it in a week for actual work applications. My poor old Nexus 7 gen one was totally owning the Shield except for game until now.
I have a LTE USA model running rooted 4.4 Kit Kat. I would guess this will work with 5 as well.
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That's contradictory. I have a really tiny LMK value for foreground apps (foreground= 8mb, Visible=16, secondary=32, hidden=64, content provider=96, empty=128 ) so apps in the foreground are killed only if system goes under 8mb of free ram, and have no lag, but I'm on CM12.1. So I really don't know how this is working but I'm glad for you. Although it may drain your battery faster BC android is killing apps as soon as they go to the foreground to keep that amount of free ram and is using more CPU cycles to load them back when you need them again, that's what I get. But anyone with more knowledge maybe could guide us why this is working???
Interesting, it's working but I didn't even try any other variables. I will try your settings and get back. Needless to say battery life is next after usability.
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Ok tried your suggestion verbatim. It immediately was back in useless mode as I have been calling it. Without a reboot it took me at least 15min to get back to here. Still could not type so minmanged back to previous settings and its running. Weird.
My test would have been run Facebook, chrome & this app with poweramp music. Never got halfway before it got all James May on me. Are we running the same tablet? Any thoughts on why we could have opposed settings and get different successful results.
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Also when it slows down it gets warmer the settings I'm using leave it pretty cool in comparison.
I'm on stock 5.0.1, 32gb SD + internal memory almost full. I experience some lag mainly with chrome and switching app. Yestetday I tried to set the power saver to "max performance" and the everything seems much smoother..
Make sure you SD cards are formatted with NTFS. exFAT is fine for 32gb, but if you have a 64GB or higher, the card needs to be formatted in a PC using NTFS...
Don't ever let your main ram storage memory get below 500meg.
If somehow you run out of memory,, let's say sub 10megs then all manner of weird things begin to happen including reboots and app crashing. You can jam that external sd1 card full however.
I reset mine several times and tried everything I saw in these threads about the lagginess and stuff.
In the end, I found the solution. I returned the NST and exchanged it for a new iPad Mini 2 32gb Retina Screen... No really.
I love Android on the phone, but it just seems that the tablet arena isn't anywhere near as far along and sorted out yet. Buggy, almost too many options, so you wonder how much love each model gets from the manufacturer, etc... I hate to have a new tablet for $300, and the only way to get it to run the way it was supposed to run out of the box, is to void the warranty, root and install a custom ROM on it, and give up some features in the process.
I like ROMs for things that they do above and beyond the stock experience. I don't feel that I should pay that much for a device and have a ROM be a requirement just to get it to run decently...
So, for my tablet needs, I had to go to the dark side. Good luck!
I will still rock my Note 4 and don't see myself going to Apple for my phone needs any time soon, but for a general purpose tablet for Netflix, email, browsing and basic games... I agonized for hours over this but in the end I just pulled the trigger and exchanged it.
Hi,
I own my galaxy tab 2 since almost 2 years. Moved to CM 10.2 pretty quickly to improve it's reactivity, and it worked very nice for a while... until lags and delays to respond came back, months ago. It now takes some time to switch between apps, or to show/hide the keyboard, to type something.... Happens also during surf (firefox mobile - i use tabs extensively), sometimes causing crash. I moved to CM11 but that did not really solved the problem.
I believe GT2 is not the latest powerful on the market and newer ones would perform much better... but i'd like to try make that GT2 serves a bit longer, since i don't have that much high needs except surfing and reading.
I managed to find answers until then, now i'm a bit stucked. So as you'd guess, any suggestions would be welcomed
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Hi,
I own my galaxy tab 2 since almost 2 years. Moved to CM 10.2 pretty quickly to improve it's reactivity, and it worked very nice for a while... until lags and delays to respond came back, months ago. It now takes some time to switch between apps, or to show/hide the keyboard, to type something.... Happens also during surf (firefox mobile - i use tabs extensively), sometimes causing crash. I moved to CM11 but that did not really solved the problem.
I believe GT2 is not the latest powerful on the market and newer ones would perform much better... but i'd like to try make that GT2 serves a bit longer, since i don't have that much high needs except surfing and reading.
I managed to find answers until then, now i'm a bit stucked. So as you'd guess, any suggestions would be welcomed
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Try SlimKat or SlimLP
Cleaning
Jefbyos said:
Hi,
I own my galaxy tab 2 since almost 2 years. Moved to CM 10.2 pretty quickly to improve it's reactivity, and it worked very nice for a while... until lags and delays to respond came back, months ago. It now takes some time to switch between apps, or to show/hide the keyboard, to type something.... Happens also during surf (firefox mobile - i use tabs extensively), sometimes causing crash. I moved to CM11 but that did not really solved the problem.
I believe GT2 is not the latest powerful on the market and newer ones would perform much better... but i'd like to try make that GT2 serves a bit longer, since i don't have that much high needs except surfing and reading.
I managed to find answers until then, now i'm a bit stucked. So as you'd guess, any suggestions would be welcomed
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First of all don't expect much from this tablet .. i have it also and it has a modest hardware compared to modern tablets today.
On mine, I can tell you that am using OmniRom From XDA based on android kitkat 4.4.4 and it's working very well with me. Try to clean the junk files and boost your tablet using CM- Clean Master
Hope that migh help
Elbadri1 said:
First of all don't expect much from this tablet .. i have it also and it has a modest hardware compared to modern tablets today.
On mine, I can tell you that am using OmniRom From XDA based on android kitkat 4.4.4 and it's working very well with me. Try to clean the junk files and boost your tablet using CM- Clean Master
Hope that migh help
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I (and several other people) have had issues with Clean Master and similar apps. I do not recommend it.
jrc2 > I took a quick look on slimroms and it looks nice. Dark is my color (ideal to save battery), and the embedded privacy guard is a feature that i'm very interrested in... (I use LBE, which is fine but i thought maybe it slows the system a bit)
Elbadri1 > OmniRom, why not ? Looks close to my current CM experience, and i read it's very stable. I could not find if that rom have also an app manager (privacy guard), do you know ?
I'm less sure about the cleaner tool, i prefer to avoid such apps usually...
Hi guys,
About the app it just was recommended to me by the Motorola customer services for my moto g 2 which had a problem with the internal memory. I usually use it for a quik clean and then uninstall it. Can you please post a link for the issues it's interesting cause i didn't like it at the first but since the customer services recommended it i though that it might be ok to use it.
About the privacy guard i really don't know but i can manage some of the app permissions (not all of them) and chosse to give it access or not. I posted photos for you but am not sure if it's what you need. Anyway can't u just install it after the rom?
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Hi guys,
About the app it just was recommended to me by the Motorola customer services for my moto g 2 which had a problem with the internal memory. I usually use it for a quik clean and then uninstall it. Can you please post a link for the issues it's interesting cause i didn't like it at the first but since the customer services recommended it i though that it might be ok to use it.
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It is mostly useless anyway. Recent Android is really good at ram and storage optimization and some tests have shown that it can in fact slow down your phone. If it works for you, great!
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It is mostly useless anyway. Recent Android is really good at ram and storage optimization and some tests have shown that it can in fact slow down your phone. If it works for you, great!
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Yeah i had the same feeling at the beginning but i had some sort of fake storage size and using the app helped to put everything in it's place.. Motorola clamied that it's due to a lot of junk files but actually when i deleted this junk using the app the problem is solved and that happened on 5.0. 2 android version :/ anyway thanks for your answer maybe it just helped in my case
Hi Elbadri1
Thanks for taking time to send those pictures, much appreciated. Indeed it's pretty much the feature i'm looking for. Looks like it don't gives you control on each app's permission, as LBE does, but it's a start. I guess there's no problem reinstalling LBE if i need deeper control (or if i miss the ad blocker)
I'm still looking at SlimKat/SlimLP, and that feature seemed to gives you control on each permission.
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Hi Elbadri1
Thanks for taking time to send those pictures, much appreciated. Indeed it's pretty much the feature i'm looking for. Looks like it don't gives you control on each app's permission, as LBE does, but it's a start. I guess there's no problem reinstalling LBE if i need deeper control (or if i miss the ad blocker)
I'm still looking at SlimKat/SlimLP, and that feature seemed to gives you control on each permission.
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There is an Xposed module called 'App Settings' that allows you to control each permission.
Hi all,
SlimLP is very smooth but i didn't have much time to test it cause there is a VPN bug and I can't go online without VPN cause i use my university connection about the Xposed module it's so nice that there is something like this i didn't know about it and i need it for my tablet and my phone.. Thanks jrc2
Elbadri1 said:
Hi all,
SlimLP is very smooth but i didn't have much time to test it cause there is a VPN bug and I can't go online without VPN cause i use my university connection about the Xposed module it's so nice that there is something like this i didn't know about it and i need it for my tablet and my phone.. Thanks jrc2
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Oki @jrc2 thank you so much
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Oki @jrc2 thank you so much
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No problem! Here is the link for App Settings. It does much more than permission revoking. You may want to check out all of it's features.
http://repo.xposed.info/module/de.robv.android.xposed.mods.appsettings
If your problem is solved, remember to add "[SOLVED]" to the beginning of the thread title.
jrc2
I finally moved to SlimKat 4.4.4 Dhollmen yesterday, as i saw positive feedbacks on that one about stability. Nice ROM indeed, very fast to install, very responsive. I have to say there's improvement on my issues : switching between apps is faster (not immediate though, but way better), and the keyboard show/hides pretty much immediately as expected. This SlimKat installation is young, but since i did'nt had "slow typing issue" as it happened to me on CM11 (typing on Firefox could sometimes became painfully slow, had to kill the app and relaunch to get normal typing speed again).
On Firefox, i still experience lags, long page loadings, and sometimes crashes - especially if i open too much tabs. I guess it's because of my use : many tabs as said earlier, plus my Firefox is set with Desktop user agent - which might be demanding... But that's a 10.1" tablet, i prefer having a desktop navigation style, on many website it's way more comfortable, even if that costs me on the performance side. I wonder if a most recent/powerful model can handle navigation w/desktop UA "at desktop computer speed" - if not, i don't really have any reason to move.
Edit : some Improvements using thoses tricks (cache setting modified accordingly, of course) :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2280714
It's now close to something great in response, even if it freeze a bit and crashes sometimes when I open too much tabs or pages with too much animations, for instance. But I guess I'm close to what can be done with GT2 modest H/W....
I just passed to SlimLP... Great battery life and great overall experience but i must say am not using my tablet that much.. Just for youtube some medium web browsing and some music that's it. Very responsive compared to my omnirom and way less lag and a much much better battery life
Hi again,
This afternoon i copied files from a computer (windows) via USB. PDF files goes to my SD card without troubles, but xls files blocked (can't remember the message). I had to compress the files on a rar, luckily ES explorer can unzip and the files can be read on the tablet using WPS office. Also, I created a folder on the card from the computer, still trough the USB connection, but when trying to rename it : the explorer freezes.
Is there some kind of restrictions on SlimKat ? I can't remeber having that issues when I was on cyanogen...
I decided to try out simplifying my phone and reduce issues that I've come across when using various custom ROMs, modified stock ROMs, etc... and used the Restore-To-Stock tool found in these forums. I then updated the phone via Settings, About, System Updates... then once that was done (Several times...) I was fully updated and ready to go. I flashed the latest TWRP & then installed the latest SuperSU for MM via TWRP... went into the file system and removed the APPs I did not want or need on my phone, wiped the caches and rebooted... I did this a few days ago and am insanely impressed by it. I forgot what stable and issue-free felt like... There's no fancy custom edits, no oddball quirks randomly from whatever was modified from various ROMs and after I installed xPosed, a few basic modules, setup Nova Launcher and all my APPs (Did a full fresh no restore of anything run through of it all)... I am the happiest I've ever been with my Moto X Pure (XT1575).
Once N pops in, I'll go through the whole process again, of course... but I think I might start sticking out simplified setups from here on out. I wanted to get the next Google "Nexus" phones released this year, but after seeing the Pixels and the prices... no thank you, I'm staying with my Pure for a while. I'm VERY happy with it... Dual front facing speakers are pretty much a necessity now for me. Internal Storage and Removable Batteries (prior to my Pure) are no longer my requirement. I've adjusted to pretty much using Google Drive and Google Play Music for all of my Files & Music with T-Mobile's no-data-cost of Google Play Music Streaming, I download my favorites (All I ever need would fit on a 32GB phone easily)... and Google Photos auto-backup has prevented me needing tons of storage options anymore... Battery you say though? No... I've YET to have a phone I wasn't able to charge on-the-go or even have a battery go bad.
Rambling here, this post was probably more for me than anyone who might read it, lol... I wanted the Moto Z so bad... but if I can't get an unlocked one that has the shatterproof display to use on T-Mobile... I don't see myself getting one at all. I want my next phone to have a fancy AMOLED hopefully shatterproof display with dual-front facing or at least a mod for sound / speakers like the Z and perhaps smaller top / bottom bezels. Not sure if I care about a fingerprint sensor yet or not. Anyway, have a great day everyone!!!
Have you compared debloated stock to tru pure x?
I've been thinking about doing something similar for the last few days. I've been running the latest TruPure since it came out several months ago. It might be the longest I've ever had an Android device without doing a clean flash of something, and things are degenerating.
I've always been a huge fan of TruPureXMM but have run into a few minor quirks here and then over time and definitely feel this is proving to be a much more stable experience. I removed (debloated) pretty much everything TruPureX did when it comes to APPs, but I believe TruPureX had a lot more going on than just that, which is what prompted me to go this route.
Since we're all sort of waiting for the official N, and we all know it won't be here amazingly fast... I've opted for this route to stay with the official run of things until N is stable and available through the official channel. I'll go through the full official update process and then TWRP and Root after... I'll be able to stay away from xPosed at first simply because the only things I'm using now are making MM more like N and I won't need to do that with N. I'm hoping once I can TWRP, Root and debloat by deleting the many APPs I don't like... things will be great!
CJ-Wylde said:
I've always been a huge fan of TruPureXMM but have run into a few minor quirks here and then over time and definitely feel this is proving to be a much more stable experience. I removed (debloated) pretty much everything TruPureX did when it comes to APPs, but I believe TruPureX had a lot more going on than just that, which is what prompted me to go this route.
Since we're all sort of waiting for the official N, and we all know it won't be here amazingly fast... I've opted for this route to stay with the official run of things until N is stable and available through the official channel. I'll go through the full official update process and then TWRP and Root after... I'll be able to stay away from xPosed at first simply because the only things I'm using now are making MM more like N and I won't need to do that with N. I'm hoping once I can TWRP, Root and debloat by deleting the many APPs I don't like... things will be great!
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You've made me interested in trying this out as well. Is titanium backup the best way to remove system apps or is there a better alternative?
HaggisIV said:
You've made me interested in trying this out as well. Is titanium backup the best way to remove system apps or is there a better alternative?
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What I've always done is go into TWRP and remove them myself. Going full fresh no restore means no real need for Titanium. Return-To-Stock first, then OTA your way up to current... THEN TWRP and SuperSU... then boot in, make sure everything is working and jot down on a piece of paper or Google Keep from your computer a list of the APPs you don't want.
Then power off, get into TWRP and mount /System, go into Advanced, File Manager and within /system/APPs and /system/PrivAPPs (Or something like that, memory just blanked) and find what was on your personal list... enter the folder for it, hit button bottom right, choose delete, done, go back and do the others... then wipe Cache / Dalvik and power off / boot up for the absolute freshest experience you can have with a stock ROM.
The trick is to NOT restore ANYTHING... install all your preferred Google APPs first, do the whole Google Phone install if you removed the stock Phone app, etc... (I remove it and the messenger, and a bunch of other stuff like the gallery, mail, etc... because I solely use Google services now).
I removed my case cover and have been carrying the phone around bare.
It's like I bought a whole new phone.
Have you guys tried a quality AOSP based ROM like Dirty Unicorn or BrokenOS?
Super stability. Nothing at all like running a CM ROM.
Testing cm14 now. Hashbang is doing a great job getting it daily worthy.
nobreak1970 said:
Testing cm14 now. Hashbang is doing a great job getting it daily worthy.
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cant get it to recognize my sim
unitz0mbie said:
cant get it to recognize my sim
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10/11 build will I bet. :highfive:
What apps/services did you remove? I'm running stock rooted myself and honestly I only see a couple of things I'd get rid of, nothing that would have any real impact on battery/storage though. This phone's stock ROM really is close to AOSP.
same too what apps did you remove tnx.. im not rooted .. tried uninstalling apps and guess what it got temp bootloop.. did hard reset using stock recovery and got fix again started tru welcome menu.... may i know guys what apps not to unistall tnx
Did a side by side comparison of apps in TruePure and stock. I counted 39 apps deleted from TruePure.
Android Live Wallpaper, Basic Daydreams
Bubbles, Calculator
Cloud Print, Com.Android.wallpaper.holospiral
Com.Motorola.audiomonitor.helper
Com.Motorola.bug2go
Com.Motorola.motgeofencesvc
Com.qualcomm.atfwd
Config Updater, CQATest
Demo mode, Device help
DiagMdlog Settings , Entitlement
Google Indic Keyboard , Japanese Input
Google Launcher Config , Korean Input
Pinyin Input , Play Movies
Play Music , Hangouts
Input Devices , Messaging
Moto Care , Moto Care int
Motorola Boot Services , Motorola Checkin
Motorola Notifications , Motorola One Time Init
Motorola Update Services
Native Drop Box Agent , Phase Beam
Rescue Add-on: Motorola
Sheets , Slides , Talk Back
I only deleted the extra Keyboards, Play Movies, Music, Hangouts, Sheets, Slides and Talk Back to be sure I had enough space for Xposed.
I made the title as self descriptive as possible. Im a huge anonimity nerd and i debloated my android to my style (Samsung Galaxy A32 5g) since there was no compatibility for Lineage or /e/OS in it. In doing so, i retain pretty much all i want, however one of the weird functions that doens't work as well as it used to is the GPS. I'm pretty sure what i did was disable an APK that uses the phone reception to track location, since when i enable GPS i can still get my location with amazing accuracy, however it takes several minutes (and i mean SEVERAL) after being turned on to track where i am, and in other apps it does not track at all.
The issue is that im an Uber Eats worker (not exactly, but similar style of work) and resetting the phone to factory would mean to debloat all over again.
So, does anyone knows more or less which APKs specifically interact between location and other apps to know which one to enable again?
Might be easier if you listed what you removed.
Dependencies...
blackhawk said:
Might be easier if you listed what you removed.
Dependencies...
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The issue is that i've removed quite a number of things across several days and didn't realize that my GPS wasn't working snap-fast as it was before very much late.
hahaNSAgoBRRRR said:
The issue is that i've removed quite a number of things across several days and didn't realize that my GPS wasn't working snap-fast as it was before very much late.
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Off the top of my head I no clue which apk(s) do that. The apk names can be misleading.
Many of the smaller apks just sit there unless needed.
Especially on Samsung's you can really screw up functionality by disabling blindly, worse it may net near zero performance/increased battery life.
One reason I use a package disabler is mistakes are easy to correct when experimenting with minimum consequences.
Someone here likely does know so keep trying. If that model has it's own section on XDA, post a thread there.
It may be one of these although likely not the last one...
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"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
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Off the top of my head I no clue which apk(s) do that. The apk names can be misleading.
Many of the smaller apks just sit there unless needed.
Especially on Samsung's you can really screw up functionality by disabling blindly, worse it may net near zero performance/increased battery life.
One reason I use a package disabler is mistakes are easy to correct when experimenting with minimum consequences.
Someone here likely does know so keep trying. If that model has it's own section on XDA, post a thread there.
It may be one of these although likely not the last one...
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Afraid it wasn't any of them, but thanks, im gonna look around.
hahaNSAgoBRRRR said:
Afraid it wasn't any of them, but thanks, im gonna look around.
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MDM App might be needed... best to not disable this probably.
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MDM App might be needed... best to not disable this probably.
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Afraid it didn't made a difference. Another weird issue i got however i think this is more of my android config is that after a while with the phone locked whatsapp closes and im not being sent any notifications until i unlock it and open it again. Do you suspect of any apk that need to be on to run the app or what setting could have messed that? I set the phone to never optimize battery and to not turn off data when locked and to not restrict it on whatsapp yet i still randomly open it to find several messages from hours ago that i never got notified for.
Ditch WhatsApp; trashware/malware.
Reload and start from the beginning.
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Ditch WhatsApp; trashware/malware.
Reload and start from the beginning.
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God i wish i could delete whatsapp but i live in one of those countries where everyone and everything uses it.
As for reloading from the start, i've been thinking about it, but it took so much to delete so much bloat that i'd rather first try and see what i could salvage. After all, all the apks that i removed are still existing in the ROM as installers.
Reload, and use this this to at least set it up and determine what's safe to debloat.
If you disabled more than 90 apps, you probably killed more than is needed...
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Reload, and use this this to at least set it up and determine what's safe to debloat.
If you disabled more than 90 apps, you probably killed more than is needed...
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Oh, dont worry, i use ADB, although next time i should probably keep in a list what i uninstalled.
hahaNSAgoBRRRR said:
Oh, dont worry, i use ADB, although next time i should probably keep in a list what i uninstalled.
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Problem being Samsung's are feature packed and many are useful. After 2 years I'm still exploring my N10+.
If you inadvertently kill a parent app all it's children dependencies go nuts. Some apps serve more functions than you'll ever find listed.
With no way to easily renable them... you have no hope of easily discovering them.
To this day I still update and modify my bloat list to make the device more functional and efficient.
Be careful what you kill... especially if you haven't used Samsung's extensively. I have 2 N10+'s, one running on 9, the other 10. The Q variant literally has dozens of small system apks than the P variant. Both devices behave almost identically. These dozens of small apks allow this. They use almost no resources or battery.
The Q variants battery life is the same or better.
Blocking these apks would serve no purpose and likely screw up the newer N10+. It has about 150 more new packages in the Q variant than the P. I used my imported block list from the AT&T P variant for the non carrier Q variant. I took out a few new ones that were bloatware but the disable head count remains similar between both devices.
So don't go too nuts as Samsung has added many new system apks to tone down and make Android 10 and up UI usable, look nice and prevent lose of functionality
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Problem being Samsung's are feature packed and many are useful. After 2 years I'm still exploring my N10+.
If you inadvertently kill a parent app all it's children dependencies go nuts. Some apps serve more functions than you'll ever find listed.
With no way to easily renable them... you have no hope of easily discovering them.
To this day I still update and modify my bloat list to make the device more functional and efficient.
Be careful what you kill... especially if you haven't used Samsung's extensively. I have 2 N10+'s, one running on 9, the other 10. The Q variant literally has dozens of small system apks than the P variant. Both devices behave almost identically. These dozens of small apks allow this. They use almost no resources or battery.
The Q variants battery life is the same or better.
Blocking these apks would serve no purpose and likely screw up the newer N10+. It has about 150 more new packages in the Q variant than the P. I used my imported block list from the AT&T P variant for the non carrier Q variant. I took out a few new ones that were bloatware but the disable head count remains similar between both devices.
So don't go too nuts as Samsung has added many new system apks to tone down and make Android 10 and up UI usable, look nice and prevent lose of functionality
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Gotcha, although i've always been one for simplicity and all, to be honest i kinda wish i could just grab a barebones android OS for my phone and modify it from there.
hahaNSAgoBRRRR said:
Gotcha, although i've always been one for simplicity and all, to be honest i kinda wish i could just grab a barebones android OS for my phone and modify it from there.
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Depending on the model and how much support there is, you can, but it's going to be a time eating gravity well.
It's a lot easier to use stock Samsung's and configure them to suit your needs. Samsung probably has the best launcher out there at least on the N10+.
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Depending on the model and how much support there is, you can, but it's going to be a time eating gravity well.
It's a lot easier to use stock Samsung's and configure them to suit your needs. Samsung probably has the best launcher out there at least on the N10+.
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Guess that's what i get for getting a phone a few months in the market.
hahaNSAgoBRRRR said:
Guess that's what i get for getting a phone a few months in the market.
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Been a bad year for phones and Android.
I spent a -lot- of time dialing in my N10+, but once done it runs great. You need to find the solutions and use work arounds when needed.
Stock Androids are almost impossible to crash. So... play with it.
Just make sure all critical data is redundantly backed up to at least 2 hhds that are physically and electronically isolated from each other and the PC. Do this or eventually you will lose data.
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Been a bad year for phones and Android.
I spent a -lot- of time dialing in my N10+, but once done it runs great. You need to find the solutions and use work arounds when needed.
Stock Androids are almost impossible to crash. So... play with it.
Just make sure all critical data is redundantly backed up to at least 2 hhds that are physically and electronically isolated from each other and the PC. Do this or eventually you will lose data.
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I trust you on that! Thanks a lot for your help UH60.