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Safe guarding 4.3(jellybean), stoping the shield from updating?

So when I noticed my Shield downloaded the 4.4 update, and went over the notes in it, I was like I better come to XDA and see if this is for me or not.
CLEARLY being an emulation junkie I need to stick with my beloved 4.3.
What I need to know is if there are any safeguards I can take to stop my shield from updating to 4.4 accidentally / automatically, seeing as the files are already on it waiting to be updated?

Edwii said:
So when I noticed my Shield downloaded the 4.4 update, and went over the notes in it, I was like I better come to XDA and see if this is for me or not.
CLEARLY being an emulation junkie I need to stick with my beloved 4.3.
What I need to know is if there are any safeguards I can take to stop my shield from updating to 4.4 accidentally / automatically, seeing as the files are already on it waiting to be updated?
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Long press the OTA notification, select app info, Uncheck the box that says show notifications. (Or go into apps and find Google services Framework, and disable it that way)
The Shield will not Automatically update on it's own regardless, but now you won't ever see the notification.
If you ever want to update just go into settings, about, Update.
There are other ways but I'm not sure if they will work with the Shield/Have not tried them.
You can also install the Gamepad Mapper, and new Tegra Zone. just grab these APKs and install them normally. This way you have the improved gamepad mapper, and remote streaming when you want it. The new Tegrazone app doesn't replace the old one, so you can still use the HQ old Tegrazone app. The Nvidia button will also only open the old app, I used Gravity box to set up the Y button to open the new Tegrazone app with a long press, and that works perfect.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2-JgUT2G-9vQjRha2JXVFBKdE0/edit?usp=sharing - TegraZone
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2-JgUT2G-9vakM2Z1M3bmQzQjg/edit?usp=sharing - Gamepad Mapper

The same thing happened to me. Since I use the Shield for emulators and some Android games (no interest with streaming PC games on a 5" display), I have no need for 4.4. Especially since emulators are reported to play slower and most of all, external writing for 3rd party apps has been killed by Goople (not spelling error).
The only catch here is the 464 MB update will still be taking up flash storage, since already downloaded. Added: Mine is still on 4.2, as was out of box when bought from Best Buy last week.

CDeviant said:
Long press the OTA notification, select app settings, disable notifications from the app that pops up. (Google services I think)
The Shield will not Automatically update on it's own regardless, but now you won't ever see the notification.
If you ever want to update just go into settings, about, Update.
There are other ways but I'm not sure if they will work with the Shield/Have not tried them.
You can also install the Gamepad Mapper, and new Tegra Zone. just grab these APKs and install them normally. This way you have the improved gamepad mapper, and remote streaming when you want it. The new Tegrazone app doesn't replace the old one, so you can still use the HQ old Tegrazone app. The Nvidia button will also only open the old app, I used Gravity box to set up the Y button to open the new Tegrazone app with a long press, and that works perfect.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2-JgUT2G-9vQjRha2JXVFBKdE0/edit?usp=sharing - TegraZone
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2-JgUT2G-9vakM2Z1M3bmQzQjg/edit?usp=sharing - Gamepad Mapper
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Thank you for the reply, Some really handy information here for avoiding the update but getting the goods out of it.
I do have three follow up questions :
1. I want to really confirm what you are saying, that "the shield will not update on it's own" I've had my shield since July/13, I could swear that it's updated itself with out me pushing a button, like even the last update before kitkat, I really thought it updated on it's own. LIke if I shut the shield off, it wont force the update?
2. I have a 64gb sd card so it's not really a big deal that i lost 400megs of internal data doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
But I do wonder, there must be a way to delete those update files some how?
a. I've avoided rooting my shield mostly cause I'm lazy, never done it before, and it seems like it adds complications, should I?
3. About your work around suggestions;
a. What's the difference between the old tegrazone and new one?
b. Do I need to map a button for the new tegrazone or can I just open it like any other app?
c. What is the "remote streaming"? I mean I know about how I can stream from my PC to the shield at home, is this a feature that is new that lets me stream from like, wifi at a coffee shop or something?
4. This may be a better question for some where else, but as of right now the only real reason i'm avoiding the update is because of emulator performance. But from what I can tell there are a lot of negative things about this update.
What are the other pros and cons about the latest update? (I heard something about it effect the useability of my SD card among other things?)

I dont know if theyre in the same spot as other android devices but check the /data/fota folder for the new update files. If its there do me a huge favor please and copy the file and upload it. If you have a slow connect could u grab a couple files from it for me i need to check something.

Edwii said:
Thank you for the reply, Some really handy information here for avoiding the update but getting the goods out of it.
I do have three follow up questions :
1. I want to really confirm what you are saying, that "the shield will not update on it's own" I've had my shield since July/13, I could swear that it's updated itself with out me pushing a button, like even the last update before kitkat, I really thought it updated on it's own. LIke if I shut the shield off, it wont force the update?
2. I have a 64gb sd card so it's not really a big deal that i lost 400megs of internal data doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
But I do wonder, there must be a way to delete those update files some how?
a. I've avoided rooting my shield mostly cause I'm lazy, never done it before, and it seems like it adds complications, should I?
3. About your work around suggestions;
a. What's the difference between the old tegrazone and new one?
b. Do I need to map a button for the new tegrazone or can I just open it like any other app?
c. What is the "remote streaming"? I mean I know about how I can stream from my PC to the shield at home, is this a feature that is new that lets me stream from like, wifi at a coffee shop or something?
4. This may be a better question for some where else, but as of right now the only real reason i'm avoiding the update is because of emulator performance. But from what I can tell there are a lot of negative things about this update.
What are the other pros and cons about the latest update? (I heard something about it effect the useability of my SD card among other things?)
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1. I've rebooted/power off my Shield many times, no problems. I think I've had it on 4.3 since 4/16 it's never updated on it's own, but I do have CWM (custom recovery)
2. The only way around that is unlocking the bootloader and rooting. It's a simple process, getting the environment to use ADB and getting the drivers to all work properly is key, and the hardest part. the process goes: Unlock bootloader > Flash custom recovery (CWM) > Flash root package with CWM.
3. a. Better ui, and streaming options, but lower quality video, and sound lag when streaming. Remote streaming. - New TegraZone
b. No, you can open it like any other app.
c. Exactly, it lets you stream your games away from home, and it's not bad.
4. Really the only cons I see in 4.4 are the SD restrictions, and the worse performance/battery life, everything else is great! The overall polish of Kitkat is really nice, probably my biggest pro is the immersive status bar. Being able to pull the status bar down while streaming a game is really nice (or anywhere fullscreen really)
If you do end up rooting/unlocking your shield, I recommend eventually installing the Xposed Installer and getting Gravity box, there's a lot of useful tweaks in there. :good:

Seems if the main focus is Android and emulator games, stay away from 4.4, but if main focus is PC gaming, 4.4 is the way to go. The stutter that happens due to the random throttle issues with emulators and control input ruins the emulators for me. If I had not been used to them playing smooth on my other devices and the Shield as is, perhaps I would not be as bothered. The difference though is very noticeable to me. Even NES and PCE games stutter/lag. Not good cricket!
If there is an Nvidia update that fixes this issue, I will consider starting from scratch with unlocking and then rooting to remove external write restrictions. Right now, the performance issue does not warrant the effort or free time wasted starting over again.

hexitnow said:
I dont know if theyre in the same spot as other android devices but check the /data/fota folder for the new update files. If its there do me a huge favor please and copy the file and upload it. If you have a slow connect could u grab a couple files from it for me i need to check something.
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Need to be rooted to access. Of course. Drat.
I would like the 4.3 update. I guess I was a week too late buying this.

4.4 No lag for me in any emulators other than some rooms in reicast. Arcade is mint. I spend a lot of time with cps2 and neo geo games. If you're having speed issues in 4.4 try a better emulator. Haven't had any speed issues with retro arch.
Sent from my LG-D959 using Tapatalk

Sess said:
4.4 No lag for me in any emulators other than some rooms in reicast. Arcade is mint. I spend a lot of time with cps2 and neo geo games. If you're having speed issues in 4.4 try a better emulator. Haven't had any speed issues with retro arch.
Sent from my LG-D959 using Tapatalk
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"A better emulator"
That just isn't really the problem though, these same emulators were perfect before.
If you have them both, please try Castlevania Aria of Sorrow on GBA.emu
It's unplayable on 4.4, but perfect on later android versions, even with 0 frameskip and hq2x rendering. Now on the other hand, the My Boy! emulator seems to work nearly as well on both android versions and I played through Tomba with FPse partly with 4.3, and finishing it on 4.4, I noticed very little difference. So not all emulators have taken a hit, but it's there even in the system.. and don't get me started on battery life.
Basically I'm kinda agreeing with you. But, there is some issue either with Android 4.4, or whatever Nvidia did.
A little more on Topic. Ever since I disabled the notification from Google Services, and deleted the update from the cache partition, It hasn't downloaded again! It's been 2 days since I did that, and It's had plenty of times to download an OTA. (reboots, sleep with wifi on, etc.) It might download if you go to the update settings, so watch out.

Well I'm glad that I checked out XDA before I purchased a shield. I was looking for emulators, some android gaming, and for sure PC streaming since I have a powerful rig. I'll wait until Nvidia gets this stuff sorted. I planned to root and unlock so I'm not too worried about the external storage issues.
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CDeviant said:
"A better emulator"
That just isn't really the problem though, these same emulators were perfect before.
If you have them both, please try Castlevania Aria of Sorrow on GBA.emu
It's unplayable on 4.4, but perfect on later android versions, even with 0 frameskip and hq2x rendering. Now on the other hand, the My Boy! emulator seems to work nearly as well on both android versions and I played through Tomba with FPse partly with 4.3, and finishing it on 4.4, I noticed very little difference. So not all emulators have taken a hit, but it's there even in the system.. and don't get me started on battery life.
Basically I'm kinda agreeing with you. But, there is some issue either with Android 4.4, or whatever Nvidia did.
A little more on Topic. Ever since I disabled the notification from Google Services, and deleted the update from the cache partition, It hasn't downloaded again! It's been 2 days since I did that, and It's had plenty of times to download an OTA. (reboots, sleep with wifi on, etc.) It might download if you go to the update settings, so watch out.
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Unless you are a gamer/emulator fan, you probably will not notice as much, but we do. Smooth with 4.2 to stuttery with 4.4 is not an option IMO, so 4.4 is not happening- unless there is an update to fix it
People refer to Retroarch, but compared to the other dedicated emulators, it does not have the same level of features (nor perform as good with some). Also, the lack of individual system defined directories for the different roms is a major pain. :silly:

[Q] Lollipop super slow at times?

Hello all,
I have installed lollipop when it came out, I unlocked the bootloader and rooted it. Then I reinstalled a bunch of apps I use (games, apps, utilities) - all from scratch to make sure that old setting and such do not interfere.
All seems to be fine (smooth, fast) - only some apps do not seem to work - however, in some cases (when for example opening Chrome) I see huge slowdowns...
Anyone else experienced this? How do I find out what is causing it? How do I fix it?
Thank you for any suggestions

Un-install Facebook. I was about to revert to Kit Kat, but I figured I would wipe and re-install. I noticed slowdown when I installed Facebook, so I nuked it and my tablet is butter smooth now.

The Facebook app destroyed lollipop performance on my Nexus 7 too. This is not a Shield issue, it's a Facebook/lollipop issue.
Sent from my SHIELD Tablet using XDA Free mobile app

Wow. I had facebook installed but not even logged into, and i saw dramatic reduction in stutters and pauses when i uninstalled it.. how facebook, how?!

Thank you all. I do not use facebook. Any other possible reasons?
Applications I have installed are foldermount, adaway, titanium backup .... Could those cause this?

I also don't have Facebook installed and get some hang ups, especially when a system animation is about to occur (opening an app, going home, etc).
I'm rooted as well, with foldermount, adaway, ultimate backup (jrummys titanium), and a slew of other games and stuff. I didn't really think it would be an app issue. But maybe. I'll get rid of a few apps I have on my phone and see if I notice a difference.

Tip for optimizing Chrome
Follow the link and chrome problem will be solved i was amazed by the difference it made -link-http://www.techrepublic.com/article/pro-tip-speed-up-chrome-on-android-with-this-handy-hack/

Sarge29490 said:
Follow the link and chrome problem will be solved i was amazed by the difference it made -link-http://www.techrepublic.com/article/pro-tip-speed-up-chrome-on-android-with-this-handy-hack/
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Thank you. I tried that - and it makes no difference. And the problem is not just with Chrome, as I experience (more or less random) slowdowns elsewhere too. I am a bit disappointed with this whole new Lollipop experience. On one hand it is (much) smoother than Kitkat was, on the other hand I get slowdowns, incompatibilities etc. which I never experienced with Kitkat

Well I have LTE version, i am rooted with philz recovery locked bootloader and orginal kernel, i use Seeder (find it on playstore) and weekly clear cache and dalvic/art cache, have no lags and slowdowns on lollipop, if there are, they are so rare that i dont notice any more.
Did you factory rest after the update? Cause i read somewhere that already installed apps have issues with lollipop so fresh install is recommended, i also have no issues with facebook either...
And also did you try changing processor mode to max performance in Shield power control under battery menu from optimized.
I must also mention the battery times have improved alot compared to kitkat...

Sarge29490 said:
Well I have LTE version, i am rooted with philz recovery locked bootloader and orginal kernel, i use Seeder (find it on playstore) and weekly clear cache and dalvic/art cache, have no lags and slowdowns on lollipop, if there are, they are so rare that i dont notice any more.
Did you factory rest after the update? Cause i read somewhere that already installed apps have issues with lollipop so fresh install is recommended, i also have no issues with facebook either...
And also did you try changing processor mode to max performance in Shield power control under battery menu from optimized.
I must also mention the battery times have improved alot compared to kitkat...
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Thank you - I will try your suggestion (I did a factory reset).
For now I have another (larger) problem to solve - apps moved to the SD card disappear...

Gadgetguy2005 said:
Thank you - I will try your suggestion (I did a factory reset).
For now I have another (larger) problem to solve - apps moved to the SD card disappear...
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Try this thread:- http://forum.xda-developers.com/shield-tablet/general/major-issue-apps-sd-card-dissappear-t2950126
edit: oh i see you already did...

Try going into Google play disable notification and select do not auto update apps
Sent from my Nexus S using xda premium

Sdcard can make your shield slow. My Samsung 64go uhs-1 makes my shield slow if inserted with exfat , but no problem with NTFS and a 64kb cluster size.

Judge584 said:
Sdcard can make your shield slow. My Samsung 64go uhs-1 makes my shield slow if inserted with exfat , but no problem with NTFS and a 64kb cluster size.
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Thanks, I'll have to try with a re-format.

Tablet is stock, not rooted and boorloader locked. I sideloaded the lollipop OTA on my LTE version and i experience the same issue.
It flies most of the time but sometime, especially when downloading or updating apps from Play store or opening random apps like Skype or even hangouts the tablet will come to a crawl.
I think this is a lollipop issue which nvidia need to address with an update.

I have to say on 4.x the tablet was unbearably slow at times and it didnt seem to be related to any specific app. After installing lollipop fresh and clean everything is really smooth, except Chrome. When i open Chrome and start navigating i see things slow down to being unresponsive for 30-60 seconds at a time and immediately working if i close Chrome. I also have a Nexus 5 with Lollipop and no such issues there. I did install facebook so ill try removing that. Ill give the optimization thread a peak too and see if that works.
Im impressed overall with the Shield tablet, but its a blemish that general web browsing is faster on CM11 on my Kindle Fire HD (original). Maybe Nvidia will come out with a fix, or someone here will pin point the exact cause.

Eat it iPhone said:
I have to say on 4.x the tablet was unbearably slow at times and it didnt seem to be related to any specific app. After installing lollipop fresh and clean everything is really smooth, except Chrome. When i open Chrome and start navigating i see things slow down to being unresponsive for 30-60 seconds at a time and immediately working if i close Chrome. I also have a Nexus 5 with Lollipop and no such issues there. I did install facebook so ill try removing that. Ill give the optimization thread a peak too and see if that works.
Im impressed overall with the Shield tablet, but its a blemish that general web browsing is faster on CM11 on my Kindle Fire HD (original). Maybe Nvidia will come out with a fix, or someone here will pin point the exact cause.
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For me, web browsing in general has been a pain, many browsers don't seem to work well on our hardware. They all feel somewhat sluggish. And flash has been very picky for me... I think it is finally dying, haha.

Get rid of Facebook if you have it and try this for chrome
http://www.omgchrome.com/improve-chrome-android-memory/

Lastpass?
Do you happen to use LastPass? I found that, upon a fresh install, everything worked great until I installed LastPass. The way that they set up autofill in lollipop seems to hang up the whole system. When I disabled "Enable fill service" in the settings, the tablet was blazing fast again.
After playing with it, I found that I still got decent performance while still being able to leverage the best part of the app by enabling the fill service and disabling the helper and scanning for password fields.

A little app called cache cleaner can do wonders? and a simple reboot also helps a lot.
Btw. im using Yandex Browser for now untill BoatHD gets the lollipop update and it works really well on the Shield with 5.0

[Q&A] [p6800](18/Nov/2014)CyanogenMod 12.0 (Android 5.0) experimental

Q&A for [p6800](18/Nov/2014)CyanogenMod 12.0 (Android 5.0) experimental
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Thanks for understanding and for helping to keep XDA neat and tidy!

Hey Daniel, any solution to fix 3g on p6800 lollipop? Thanks
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Hey,Daniel,any solution to fix 3g on p6800 lollipop?Thanks

I need 10post to be able to post in Development board
Looking for fawrd to this build,
need at least mobile data, i will try it out...
had been follow since 4.3 till now..

Dear Daniel
Thanks for your developments. Will try it and revert for any comments.
Anthony

Daniel
Why cannot play youtube video in the apps. just only black blank screen, can you please to fix it?
Thanks for your great work
Anthony

HAPPYFATHER said:
Daniel
Why cannot play youtube video in the apps. just only black blank screen, can you please to fix it?
Thanks for your great work
Anthony
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As far as know it a known problem in cm at the moment it has to do with the hw decoders.
Sent from my Xperia Z1

Method to achieve root
Got ideas how to achieve root? KitKat method or any specified methods?

Amazing work, Daniel. Thanks so much for your effort.
My impressions on this release: battery life is AMAZING, a lot better than official firmware; I am unable to play any kind of video, Youtube included, that´s the only thing that is really bothering me since I use chromecast to watch movies from it; Incredibly fast and responsive; some screen tearing when browsing the web (using Chrome); I don´t know if it is just my imagination but the color scheme seems to be a little "off", contrast is a bit down; some reboots here and there, it doesn´t seem to have a specific reason.
Well, that´s it. Thanks again for all your work!

cm 12
Its super awesome we are seeing lollipop on gt6810 all though there were some fixes need for video decoding and others. I did try it out but all the roms I've tried don't quiet give me the simple stable experience paranoid 3.68 gives me especially with camera flash everytime its opened for new pictures to be taken and browser distortions which is hardly experienced in pa3.68. Looking at the paranoid rom, do you think lollipop could use abit of the old experince of paranoid just incase the new updates coming out of lollipop pose abit too much of difficulty?... I really would love to see this awesome lollipop interface you've given us a chance to experience on a paranoid kind of feel...u know... Also, compared to how light paranoid is, the kitkat and others seem to perform under alot of pressure. My tab practically gets really warm when watching a video on low screen light and a minimized volume. These things are scaring the crap out of me so I've reverted back to paranoid. Would love to have a positive feedback, hopefully... Once again, Thank you for the work you've done so far.. You're aweSome!
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My laptop got stolen recently.. Really wanted to tinker with this new build. now I have to do that directly from my tab somehow...really depressing and stressful but all goes well, hoping for a better future with cm 12.. :cyclops:

I Need Multi-User Support
Thank you Daniel. I love it!
I hope that the multi-user support will be added in the next build. Your efforts are greatly appreciated.
Happy New Year!

test results for 5/1
very usable but not too stable,random crashes,auto restart,freezing
apps start fast but then lag a little
over all almost can be used as daily drive other than lag and random random crash and reboot
miss xposed and themes engine,lollipop has an annoying green-white theme ,yuck

Some issues with 10th Jan build
Hey Daniel,
Firstly, thanks a ton for your hard work. I check this forum on daily basis to check out new builds if any. I really love your work. I am still using my 3 year old tab just because of you.
I have installed the the 10th Jan build. There is one major issue I want to report. When I leave the tablet on for sometime untouched on charging or anything. I come back and try to use it at the moment the screen never switches on. I have to push the power button and hard restart the device again.
It seems to be dying out after going into deep sleep and need to be restarted to start using again.
If I am missing some solution for this please let me know so i can fix this. Otherwise this new build and new kernel is awesome. Even the speed of device has tremendously improved.
Ravi

reboot into recovery
hi
I installed this cyanogen rom on my P6800 , but in "Rom Manager" app i couldn't Reboot to Recovery.
when i press "Reboot to Recovery" my tab doesn't reboot!!!!!!!

Great Rom
This ROM is by far better than kitkat on many ways...and its much more stable... So far everything works perfectly...the only small thing is, I think lollipop is abit too heavy on the tab 7.7. Cm 12, I'm really enjoying the feel... Thanks Dan.
So how can lollipop feel lighter but with the same features? In terms of its memory management, speed at which it can process one or more things at a time and considering where tab 7.7 is coming from, it doesn't seem all that simple...
Also, you we could tell you if there were any problems.. No distortion or anything but there are minor flickers which kinda scares me..I hope its nothing. The flashlight function don't work. Any gapps higher than the micro version, I get this error "insufficient internal storage-aborting installation'. I use the latest TWRP.
Is it possible to get a camera app with photosphere? I really love that function in a camera..
Everything else works just fine...WiFi works better on da kk versions and much better on da lollipop (cm12). Like I said from the beginning, seems the lollipop weighs the tabs overall performance down a lot.. I couldn't find anything in the root folder that helped so maybe you could teach me a thing or two about that area on android lollipop...
I have a tab gtp6810
Thanks
And o, the previous ROMs that some people complained about the charging running down the battery instead while plugged in and running at least one app like the browser... I did a power supply reset in the terminal... I don't know if worked but I'll give a feedback here if I see any improvements for everyone using any of Dan HK ROMs...

fifth try
Well, I only installed the cm12 without gapp.. I'm going to fix in the apps I want from the gapp... So far, running abit smoother than with gapp install along cm12 together... For the torch, I'm going to take the one from cm11 and try make it a system app.. Also, the camera...the flash only works when every time you open anew and take the first picture or select through the flash settings.. Just like all the previous ROMs from carbon to slimkat... Only PAC and paranoid 4.2.2 are the last that works the way you would want..but graphical interface ain't as good as this..hehe
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The dalvik heap size allocations...do they work through the system's available storage, ram or some separate caches space separated? I sort of change those area abut..there was abit of change around the graphic performance and processor...couldn't really tell but it felt abit different... Will those sort of changes affect anything negatively as well somewhere in the custom firmware? I want to be careful I'm not doing anything wrong...

runs good
I think it run better without gapp....only difference is, you won't have all the Google service interface eating away your battery and stuffs power related.. Also, recent app button, the apps take abit more time for the close sign to appear... Its basic issues still remain like the missing torch function But in all, it works very good.. U think this new cm 12 could actually become an OS on it own? I've been going round the web seeing as how Aroma installer are popularly used with different cool installer interfaces... Cm12 so far ROCKS!
For those having battery charging problems, get the stock recovery (it worked for me) and flash in the pit file for ur device as well, seems to help somehow...you can try sbl bin but I mean, its just an idea... I lost my laptop so I can't manage going back and forth from friends houses all the time...

few cm12
Bluetooth..pair and connects with some av control. Didn't realize the tab was my PC now. Sending files..-"no bluetooth device found" (while paired or with the extra a/v connection).
Tab turned off, trying to charge under twrp 2.8.2.1, "battery draw jpg cannot load" or sth like that. Not sure what that means but a white one shows charging after the error.
Mobile Odin can't see nor access external SD.
On first install, Google search appears after turning off in launcher settings, open recent apps tab (show up here insteadv big and white), go back and turn on in setting,"heeeyyy, you're here!! Welcome back to my screen..lol".. So its not ICS version I see on the home screen.
Live paper on, turned on Bluetooth first time and device restarts. Surfing over 5 tabs on browser at the same time, restarts. Also, using an app like torrent to download one file while watching a movie (tab get very warm & freezes completely and unresponsive till I keep on power button till it restarts the device)
But I'm only testing all this with a fresh installation and gapp 5 beta 12 nano. I haven't changed any settings at all. Just want to help out with more feedbacks on overall performance.
Most responses to apps opening and closing can be slow in moments where about at least three or four apps have been opened.. So I have to manage an app at a time while clearing my recent apps. And surface a page or two unless with a different browser like UC browser, its okay.
Colors, everything feels cool. Flashed lollipop font and system sounds (don't remember where I got them but I'm sure it was on xda). It sort of felt like I was using the kitkat version that's why I changed them. Runs and feels abit better than my first time install cm12.
I don't know if there are any memory forced to leak but maybe you could hover around to see if something's is abit off about it from what I've said so far.
So between recovery and custom ROM, seems there's some unstable thing going on from within their interactions... I don't know, maybe recovery also needs an update....I guess...?... Well, you're the expert so these are my user experiences so far... Will let you know if anything else comes up
This new lollipop really is different. I can't even tell in the lib files are supposed to be in the apps or lib folder or both when trying out an app like the latest Google camera. I've tried but I only get as far as paranoma and it stops working at photosphere. Sometimes it opens but da circle has no use when the pictures are supposed to be taken. Read from file to file, I must say...I have never been this lost in android...hahahahaha

updating on cm12 issues that could help, hopefully
Lollipop looks light but feels heavy on performance i think cos of how much memory it over-uses.. Maybe its the kernels or sth so I'll wait for what Daniel will help us with to understand more (thank you again Daniel. U're awesome!)
What I noticed today was, when the memories goes to its limits in usage is some areas I think, the tab glitches, slows down abit and restarts if anything else opens... I was only watching a movie series (homeland TV series) from my 32GB SD card, and downloading a ROM from media fire with all my apps closed but the system running. No other recent tabs were opened.. Before I continue, I limited the memory use so between 5mb to 256mb does seem enough unless u r da type that multitasks a lot more (but that should not the case, right?...weird tho). I did this cos when I increased it, with a bit extra apps (about 1 or 2 etrxa apps running), its kept either freezing badly or restarting. So I just had to test this to see if its me or this new OS is going to be hard to work with...
Secondly...I use MX player a lot... Sometimes hardware works but when switched to software decoding and back to hardware, suddenly hardware is not supported unless I close the current video or app itself and start again. But will still fail at hardware decoding and sometimes restarts unexpectedly during software decoding.. Too much info?...haha... Naaah.. Lol
JESUS! The cursor is abit difficult to move around with a huge finger that covers it completely...lol
In case you are wondering,"where did this guy come from"...I assure u, I have been a fan of xda for about a year or two maybe or more cos I remember using my first tab its been almost or over two years. I only recently joined cos android has fascinated me in many ways and by having alot of great customization options and being an open source if I may add... I'm happy old devices get to meet the challenges that people have doubts on.. I'm grateful that I still use some of my old devices with a lot of confidence...
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saeghe3000 said:
hi
I installed this cyanogen rom on my P6800 , but in "Rom Manager" app i couldn't Reboot to Recovery.
when i press "Reboot to Recovery" my tab doesn't reboot!!!!!!!
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Really? How did you install it? And did you do a factory reset after install ROM or clearing cache and dalvik cache? Have u tried a long press on the power button to shutdown first?
As for ROM manager, I can't say for sure I can help u with that but I also noticed some things like mobile odin don't fully run all its functions on my tab p6810 with the p6800 kernal I found for mobile Odin to work o my tab.. I can't see the external SD unless i copy da file I want to use to the internal storage... So cm12 is still a working progress I guess.. Refer to the original cm12 post...Daniel said sth about the we probably will have to end up with our own new custom kernel to use I think due some out dated resources...For now, if no options works for u... If u know how to open the tab gently to take out the battery's connection and back in to enable u go into recovery to do a back up just in case... The u can sort out the ROM properly...and only if ur tab doesn't allow u to shut it down manually... At ur own risk..u can watch YouTube videos on how to handle ur tab p6800 with care when opening..
I've used twrp recovery and cwm recovery (which cwm needs to be rooted before flashing ROM), they all worked well for me so far.. A feww issues I've already pointed out but could be sorted eventually..
I searched da web for info and made a few changes to my build prop. Would share with u if interested...but remember, I'm only using the WiFi version of ur tab..
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I think the last cwm recovery works abit better (if in case u have charging charging issues and don't want to use the original stock recovery).. U flash that and root ur device through the recovery, restart recovery to root or fix root then install cm12 with mini or nano gapps 5.0. Battery draw is missing in ROM but don't worry, it will still charge.
I want to share my super su which I flashed to root the device but I can't get the upload button to pop up any window to find the file on my tab in the system's browser on the cm12. Well, all the same...Good luck!

I wonder if this is what they call a memory leak...
Three words...poor memory management... For an old device, lollipop settings over use tab hardware resources..though its performance is better in terms of gaming.
OK...I said I made a few changes to my build.prop...well, here they are:
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ro.sf.lcd_density=180
ro.HOME_APP_ADJ=1
#
wifi.supplicant_scan_interval=84
dalvik.vm.heapstartsize=7m
dalvik.vm.heapgrowthlimit=49m
dalvik.vm.heapsize=294m
dalvik.vm.heaptargetutilization=0.72
dalvik.vm.heapminfree=788k
dalvik.vm.heapmaxfree=7m
dalvik.vm.lockprof.threshold=600
These are lines I made changes to (p6810)
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I'm using nova launcher as system launcher
Flash some L fonts and sound I found on YouTube
And boot animation
Just to try get it to feel like lollipop as much as possible..
I notice a white line that flickers between long minutes like about 45mins during a movie playing on my MX player.. It also happens during charging the device when running twrp I guess...i see that on my lockscreen when on landscape mode...don't really know what that means...but I take out the charger for some time and plug it back and it stops for a long while but I switched to cwm.. Da MX player thing still shows though..
I removed that performance tweak app... Can't risk overheating...sorryyyy...I get scared a lot when I know my device hardware has its limits and way of coding to the responsiveness to whatever android versions out there....and I guess it all depends on the hardware make or build period and its sources..
Well, catch ya'll later... Still waiting for kernel and/or some ideas...
Cm file manager don't do much aside from viewing files and folder or install apps..
I tried material manager pro...that too crashes when I try to select everything at once in a folder...have no clue what that means either but will make time for the apps later.. Right now, cm12 needs a good workout till I feel its stable enough for extra updates from Daniel and others who enjoy helping g out....
PEACE!!

tasty lollipop
arrrghhhh! Wish I had an 'F5' button on my Google keyboard!!!
Just messing around..lol... But seriously though, you use it for abit with different apps running and closed...then remove all recent tabs...restart, you have most apps you opened which a lot are related to Google running as background processes......mmmmm....didn't realize the system takes me abit too seriously...Haha
So now, I have 'ccleaner' and 'the cleaner' installed. Ccleaner runs... 561.6mb ram of 770.97mb used. Okaaaay..........analyze....clean processes, empty folders, cache....no changes to memory.....awkward...lol..
Now, 'the cleaner' app- analyze, 197mb or sth to be recovered...nice! - 'clean'.......384.84mb in use...shows in ccleaner....wow!
This is.....sth......
Ok so, system bootup........Google+ and YouTube are background processes.... Sometimes 'music' pops up....weird....I.....don't think I'm ready to dance just yet... But after a while they get tired and leave, leaving YouTube behind.......maybe it wants me to watch xda videos....... Ok, so Google app pops up when I've l've literary stopped all its functions... I haven't force closed it, no no no...well....not yet but I will....
I once saw Google service and Google play service pop up...are they related?
Also, I would like to make guess or assumption; I think it takes abit longer to load everything compared to previous ROMs... Even when its already booted to home screen..
Ok, so some was last night's observations.. I think this gapp is going to make me saaad.
Will use only cm12 without gapp and run the Google apps manually instead to avoid multiple background processes at once...gms core.....interesting and can be quiet a strain...o well.....laterrrrrrr

While awaiting Android N for our Pure (XT1575)...

I decided to try out simplifying my phone and reduce issues that I've come across when using various custom ROMs, modified stock ROMs, etc... and used the Restore-To-Stock tool found in these forums. I then updated the phone via Settings, About, System Updates... then once that was done (Several times...) I was fully updated and ready to go. I flashed the latest TWRP & then installed the latest SuperSU for MM via TWRP... went into the file system and removed the APPs I did not want or need on my phone, wiped the caches and rebooted... I did this a few days ago and am insanely impressed by it. I forgot what stable and issue-free felt like... There's no fancy custom edits, no oddball quirks randomly from whatever was modified from various ROMs and after I installed xPosed, a few basic modules, setup Nova Launcher and all my APPs (Did a full fresh no restore of anything run through of it all)... I am the happiest I've ever been with my Moto X Pure (XT1575).
Once N pops in, I'll go through the whole process again, of course... but I think I might start sticking out simplified setups from here on out. I wanted to get the next Google "Nexus" phones released this year, but after seeing the Pixels and the prices... no thank you, I'm staying with my Pure for a while. I'm VERY happy with it... Dual front facing speakers are pretty much a necessity now for me. Internal Storage and Removable Batteries (prior to my Pure) are no longer my requirement. I've adjusted to pretty much using Google Drive and Google Play Music for all of my Files & Music with T-Mobile's no-data-cost of Google Play Music Streaming, I download my favorites (All I ever need would fit on a 32GB phone easily)... and Google Photos auto-backup has prevented me needing tons of storage options anymore... Battery you say though? No... I've YET to have a phone I wasn't able to charge on-the-go or even have a battery go bad.
Rambling here, this post was probably more for me than anyone who might read it, lol... I wanted the Moto Z so bad... but if I can't get an unlocked one that has the shatterproof display to use on T-Mobile... I don't see myself getting one at all. I want my next phone to have a fancy AMOLED hopefully shatterproof display with dual-front facing or at least a mod for sound / speakers like the Z and perhaps smaller top / bottom bezels. Not sure if I care about a fingerprint sensor yet or not. Anyway, have a great day everyone!!!

Have you compared debloated stock to tru pure x?

I've been thinking about doing something similar for the last few days. I've been running the latest TruPure since it came out several months ago. It might be the longest I've ever had an Android device without doing a clean flash of something, and things are degenerating.

I've always been a huge fan of TruPureXMM but have run into a few minor quirks here and then over time and definitely feel this is proving to be a much more stable experience. I removed (debloated) pretty much everything TruPureX did when it comes to APPs, but I believe TruPureX had a lot more going on than just that, which is what prompted me to go this route.
Since we're all sort of waiting for the official N, and we all know it won't be here amazingly fast... I've opted for this route to stay with the official run of things until N is stable and available through the official channel. I'll go through the full official update process and then TWRP and Root after... I'll be able to stay away from xPosed at first simply because the only things I'm using now are making MM more like N and I won't need to do that with N. I'm hoping once I can TWRP, Root and debloat by deleting the many APPs I don't like... things will be great!

CJ-Wylde said:
I've always been a huge fan of TruPureXMM but have run into a few minor quirks here and then over time and definitely feel this is proving to be a much more stable experience. I removed (debloated) pretty much everything TruPureX did when it comes to APPs, but I believe TruPureX had a lot more going on than just that, which is what prompted me to go this route.
Since we're all sort of waiting for the official N, and we all know it won't be here amazingly fast... I've opted for this route to stay with the official run of things until N is stable and available through the official channel. I'll go through the full official update process and then TWRP and Root after... I'll be able to stay away from xPosed at first simply because the only things I'm using now are making MM more like N and I won't need to do that with N. I'm hoping once I can TWRP, Root and debloat by deleting the many APPs I don't like... things will be great!
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You've made me interested in trying this out as well. Is titanium backup the best way to remove system apps or is there a better alternative?

HaggisIV said:
You've made me interested in trying this out as well. Is titanium backup the best way to remove system apps or is there a better alternative?
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What I've always done is go into TWRP and remove them myself. Going full fresh no restore means no real need for Titanium. Return-To-Stock first, then OTA your way up to current... THEN TWRP and SuperSU... then boot in, make sure everything is working and jot down on a piece of paper or Google Keep from your computer a list of the APPs you don't want.
Then power off, get into TWRP and mount /System, go into Advanced, File Manager and within /system/APPs and /system/PrivAPPs (Or something like that, memory just blanked) and find what was on your personal list... enter the folder for it, hit button bottom right, choose delete, done, go back and do the others... then wipe Cache / Dalvik and power off / boot up for the absolute freshest experience you can have with a stock ROM.
The trick is to NOT restore ANYTHING... install all your preferred Google APPs first, do the whole Google Phone install if you removed the stock Phone app, etc... (I remove it and the messenger, and a bunch of other stuff like the gallery, mail, etc... because I solely use Google services now).

I removed my case cover and have been carrying the phone around bare.
It's like I bought a whole new phone.
Have you guys tried a quality AOSP based ROM like Dirty Unicorn or BrokenOS?
Super stability. Nothing at all like running a CM ROM.

Testing cm14 now. Hashbang is doing a great job getting it daily worthy.

nobreak1970 said:
Testing cm14 now. Hashbang is doing a great job getting it daily worthy.
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cant get it to recognize my sim

unitz0mbie said:
cant get it to recognize my sim
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10/11 build will I bet. :highfive:

What apps/services did you remove? I'm running stock rooted myself and honestly I only see a couple of things I'd get rid of, nothing that would have any real impact on battery/storage though. This phone's stock ROM really is close to AOSP.

same too what apps did you remove tnx.. im not rooted .. tried uninstalling apps and guess what it got temp bootloop.. did hard reset using stock recovery and got fix again started tru welcome menu.... may i know guys what apps not to unistall tnx

Did a side by side comparison of apps in TruePure and stock. I counted 39 apps deleted from TruePure.
Android Live Wallpaper, Basic Daydreams
Bubbles, Calculator
Cloud Print, Com.Android.wallpaper.holospiral
Com.Motorola.audiomonitor.helper
Com.Motorola.bug2go
Com.Motorola.motgeofencesvc
Com.qualcomm.atfwd
Config Updater, CQATest
Demo mode, Device help
DiagMdlog Settings , Entitlement
Google Indic Keyboard , Japanese Input
Google Launcher Config , Korean Input
Pinyin Input , Play Movies
Play Music , Hangouts
Input Devices , Messaging
Moto Care , Moto Care int
Motorola Boot Services , Motorola Checkin
Motorola Notifications , Motorola One Time Init
Motorola Update Services
Native Drop Box Agent , Phase Beam
Rescue Add-on: Motorola
Sheets , Slides , Talk Back
I only deleted the extra Keyboards, Play Movies, Music, Hangouts, Sheets, Slides and Talk Back to be sure I had enough space for Xposed.

NO MORE SLOW.

For the few who remain using these tablets (and the even fewer who bought a 2015 shield controller like me) I have the final nail in the coffin for performance. Without custom OS. Allowing you to use your very specific (criminally underused) 2015 Shield controller wirelessly. Welcome to the end of your woes (performance not guaranteed, this crap worked for me though). I still haven't checked if battery usage has improved, but it has certainly let me depend on this and use my controller again as opposed to using a CustomOS (previously used AEX 6.7, good performance, but bad video playback and lack of wifi controller support).
Required thingys:
TWRP
This awesome script (JournalingDisabler.zip) (thnx very much skynet28): https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...urnaling-in-internal-ext4-partitions.1252028/
Developer Options
Snacks? Drinks? This is gonna take some time, don't pass out halfway through lol
Boost 1: DISABLE JOURNALING.
Y'all. This is the good stuff. the nitro. This will make your tablet feel new (again, if everything goes right and I'm not some insane fluke). I only got the idea from an offhand comment from m0nt3s. I thought they were talking about one of the writing apps at first, but once I learned what it was, my brain imploded. Did a quick google search, and found skynet28's solution right away. It's a script designed to disable an ext4 logging service that eats up memory and processing power. I didn't think it would be compatible (but my chaotic neutral mind said why not), but it works:
1. Install TWRP using adb and prayer (that's what it feels like the first time around lol)
2. Download the zip (JournalingDisabler.zip) to your tablet.
3. Use the install button in TWRP, navigate to the zip, and install away.
It should show text saying journaling is disabled if all went well. The gains should be immediately noticeable on your next boot. I didn't notice any issues or side effects, but I also have the benefit of not having important/sensitive data on it, so just to play it safe, back up your data in case issues crop up later.
Boost 2: BACKGROUND PROCESSES
This one will be a touch more noticeable, especially if you multitask on this tablet, but it can definitely stop a lot of the hitching. This one will be in the bottom of the developer options. If you don't have dev options, go into the about tablet section and tap the build number until you become a dev. Setting it to 1 or 2 is decent, but setting it to none will have the biggest impact.
Boost 3: DON'T USE APP OPTIMIZATION
Seriously. Don't know who dropped the ball. But just turn it all off. It's not even a boost, it's just a negative having it on.
Boost 4: SYNCING
If anything is syncing, be it Gmail, your YouTube notifications, or a news feed, turn it off. Any time apps struggle and fight for WIFI, your experience sucks. If you aren't using it as a main (i'm using it in my car as a head unit)
Boost 5: Color Correction
Must have been the same peeps who dropped the ball on app optimization. With the gains you get above, you might not need to, but if you're trying to max it out this will do it.
That's it for me! This is what I've done to get my tablet feeling smooth again. Let me know how it goes?

I can attest that a lot of the above is what needs to be done to save the last days of this tablet. I did not now about the journal part- will have to try this. Related, I just flashed the original OTA's for the Wifi edition on my Shield LTE. By doing this I got a insane boost in battery life. The LTE (H+) does not work but I don't need it and there are other devices that have much better connectivity .

BLKMN said:
For the few who remain using these tablets (and the even fewer who bought a 2015 shield controller like me) I have the final nail in the coffin for performance. Without custom OS. Allowing you to use your very specific (criminally underused) 2015 Shield controller wirelessly. Welcome to the end of your woes (performance not guaranteed, this crap worked for me though). I still haven't checked if battery usage has improved, but it has certainly let me depend on this and use my controller again as opposed to using a CustomOS (previously used AEX 6.7, good performance, but bad video playback and lack of wifi controller support).
Required thingys:
TWRP
This awesome script (JournalingDisabler.zip) (thnx very much skynet28): https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...urnaling-in-internal-ext4-partitions.1252028/
Developer Options
Snacks? Drinks? This is gonna take some time, don't pass out halfway through lol
Boost 1: DISABLE JOURNALING.
Y'all. This is the good stuff. the nitro. This will make your tablet feel new (again, if everything goes right and I'm not some insane fluke). I only got the idea from an offhand comment from m0nt3s. I thought they were talking about one of the writing apps at first, but once I learned what it was, my brain imploded. Did a quick google search, and found skynet28's solution right away. It's a script designed to disable an ext4 logging service that eats up memory and processing power. I didn't think it would be compatible (but my chaotic neutral mind said why not), but it works:
1. Install TWRP using adb and prayer (that's what it feels like the first time around lol)
2. Download the zip (JournalingDisabler.zip) to your tablet.
3. Use the install button in TWRP, navigate to the zip, and install away.
It should show text saying journaling is disabled if all went well. The gains should be immediately noticeable on your next boot. I didn't notice any issues or side effects, but I also have the benefit of not having important/sensitive data on it, so just to play it safe, back up your data in case issues crop up later.
Boost 2: BACKGROUND PROCESSES
This one will be a touch more noticeable, especially if you multitask on this tablet, but it can definitely stop a lot of the hitching. This one will be in the bottom of the developer options. If you don't have dev options, go into the about tablet section and tap the build number until you become a dev. Setting it to 1 or 2 is decent, but setting it to none will have the biggest impact.
Boost 3: DON'T USE APP OPTIMIZATION
Seriously. Don't know who dropped the ball. But just turn it all off. It's not even a boost, it's just a negative having it on.
Boost 4: SYNCING
If anything is syncing, be it Gmail, your YouTube notifications, or a news feed, turn it off. Any time apps struggle and fight for WIFI, your experience sucks. If you aren't using it as a main (i'm using it in my car as a head unit)
Boost 5: Color Correction
Must have been the same peeps who dropped the ball on app optimization. With the gains you get above, you might not need to, but if you're trying to max it out this will do it.
That's it for me! This is what I've done to get my tablet feeling smooth again. Let me know how it goes?
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This works! Every bit of OP is legit.
I used current TWRP as of today, twrp-3.6.1_9-0-shieldtablet.img, from https://twrp.me/nvidia/nvidiahshieldtablet.html using fastboot install method on a fully updated Android 7 Nvidia Shield Tablet model p1761w.
Thanks, much respect!

It is important that those who still do not install TWRP should know that to enter fastboot, they must use the official nvidia drivers "SHIELD_Family_WHQL_USB_driver_201801"
This method helped me to lighten but it becomes impossible to install applications, the google services together with those of nvidia cause the ram to collapse and the system cannot manage correctly.
I strongly recommend you to change to a custom rom, you will finally feel the fluidity of the system
At this moment I use lineage 15.1 (android 8.1) + google services minimum (pico)
No chrome app - no Gmail app + facebook and instagram full app. and the system remains light.

nunitofiman said:
It is important that those who still do not install TWRP should know that to enter fastboot, they must use the official nvidia drivers "SHIELD_Family_WHQL_USB_driver_201801"
This method helped me to lighten but it becomes impossible to install applications, the google services together with those of nvidia cause the ram to collapse and the system cannot manage correctly.
I strongly recommend you to change to a custom rom, you will finally feel the fluidity of the system
At this moment I use lineage 15.1 (android 8.1) + google services minimum (pico)
No chrome app - no Gmail app + facebook and instagram full app. and the system remains light.
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I really wish a developer(s) would take one more look at this device. If there was way to bump up the android version but retain the NVIDIA features it would breath a few more years into these . These tablets are still pretty good for mid range emulation and now that everything has changed with cloud gaming, they are not as irrelevant as it would seem . I've been having pretty good performance on my LTE 32GB that I flashed the original "WiFi edition " stock ROM on. I get great battery life now and use the tablet almost daily for gaming and light use. The sound is also still pretty impressive and I like the stylus functionality as I can't really afford a Samsung device.

What is "journaling"? Is it the same as the logging by logcat? You can set the buffer size to 0K or 64K (setting it to 0 still logs at 64K).