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XDA is for development of new wimo/android based phones. I have been in my tilt forum for 2 years and the culture there(and a few others) has become about saving an old peice of hardware with android or heavily tweaked wimo. I thought this mentality could be carried to the iphone for users who want to save a peice of crap by turning it into android. I see now that most users here are able to afford new phones every year or sooner and do not have the "save my device" mentality, which i understand.
what i dont understand is why this mentality is carrying over to hate towards a forum for a specific phone that already has some development on converting it to the android that is so beloved here.
I think pre conceived notions that there are not intelligent people who end up with an iphone and can port it into something useful, mixed with a fear of a thread running away into icrap, make this idea impossible.
either way it is imposable so this discussion should be closed
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Before flaming starts

orb3000 said:
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why cant we abuse the hardware? i hate iOS i like the hardware over the tilt
there is already good development on android for the hardware.
like i said before a jailbreak forum would be stupid, but if it is moderated to android development...
legal issues?

What a great idea. It sure would help clean up the forums. I see 3-8 posts a week complaining about the iPhone I wish people would just give it a rest. The iPhone Did this the iPhone did that, guys just shut up you spend more time talking about the iPhone than you do about Android and Wm. If you want to talk about the iphone go to an iphone forum. For the record I am not an apple fan boy by far but I do not hate the iPhone. In fact I'm glad it was made. If it wasn't I wouldn't be holding my nexus one right now tryping all of this.

If you have an iphone forum, then you may as well introduce any other phone on the market...no thanks.

If it goes ahead, may I suggest the forum description contains "Please don't mock the aflicted"

MalekoUK said:
If you have an iphone forum, then you may as well introduce any other phone on the market...no thanks.
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I am really into android on my tilt. the same processes can be done on the iphone now...not every phone on the market.
What a great idea. It sure would help clean up the forums. I see 3-8 posts a week complaining about the iPhone I wish people would just give it a rest. The iPhone Did this the iPhone did that, guys just shut up you spend more time talking about the iPhone than you do about Android and Wm.
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I spend more time talking about android...i just have a new piece of hardware to put it on.

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WTF????
Are you crazy?

There are plenty of Icrap forums out there and they are very good i just don't feel the need to tarnish the reputation of XDA with an Icrap FORUM, it sends shivers down my spine just thinking about it.
Joking aside the thing is every one has there opinion and they like the device they have and i respect that so asking the question is valid, But do you think if you went to a dedicated Ipone forum and asked for an Wm and android section what would the reply be

blindguyinanorgy said:
I spend more time talking about android...i just have a new piece of hardware to put it on.
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I'm not talking about you but other people that sit on here all day and make iPhone threads about how bad the phone is it.

drx64 said:
WTF????
Are you crazy?
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Agreed...
lufc said:
There are plenty of Icrap forums out there and they are very good i just don't feel the need to tarnish the reputation of XDA with an Icrap FORUM, it sends shivers down my spine just thinking about it.
Joking aside the thing is every one has there opinion and they like the device they have and i respect that so asking the question is valid, But do you think if you went to a dedicated Ipone forum and asked for an Wm and android section what would the reply be
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...and agreed

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Gauging my eyes out!!
The moment I see an IPhone Forum or dedicated thread I'll know that time has come.....

if your so desprate make your own forum and icrap lovers here can move over to that forum.
I WILL NOT BE VISITING
ANDROID AND WINMO DEVICES RULE!!!!!

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Just in case any of our beloved members want to go soft on us then this is a very good place to start
http://forum.vbulletinsetup.com/
OR just go here
http://www.appleiphoneforum.co.uk/
or here
http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=201
or here
http://planet-iphones.com/
or here
http://www.iphoneowners.com/
or here
Well i think you get the message if you haven't then goggle list about 20-30 of them

lufc said:
Just in case any of our beloved members want to go soft on us then this is a very good place to start
http://forum.vbulletinsetup.com/
OR just go here
http://www.appleiphoneforum.co.uk/
or here
http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=201
or here
http://planet-iphones.com/
or here
http://www.iphoneowners.com/
or here
Well i think you get the message if you haven't then goggle list about 20-30 of them
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i have done google. all of these forums are pretty ****ty and focus on using iphone as an iphone.
There are plenty of Icrap forums out there and they are very good i just don't feel the need to tarnish the reputation of XDA with an Icrap FORUM, it sends shivers down my spine just thinking about it.
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you all hear iphone and jump to some sort of terror conclusion
They'd had Froyo running on the iPhone 3G for a bit now.
gadgetsdna.com/how-to-install-android-2-2-froyo-on-iphone-3g/3501/
I guess it's pretty easy to port over on the iPhone, not my HD2 is a different story.
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I was HOPING that by creating a forum here dedicated to android on the iphone that we could help fellow xda users who are above the icrap. I hate iphone as a package but i got one for free and there seems to be a potential to turn a pos into a nice dev project.
forum title:
ANDROID(iphone)
or something to keep away stupid iphone users and let there be a place (in english) for the few

Relax!!
Sometimes we are like children... Geez guys, give 'em a break.

One more i....e thread and I will ............
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that was my intent the whole time. i dont think half the responders even read the post, just freaked out about iphone

They have their own forums, and since there's not that much activity, why spread it out making things harder to find?

AdrianK said:
They have their own forums, and since there's not that much activity, why spread it out making things harder to find?
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the only ANDROID iphone forum i have found is in italian. the others are all the ones people are afraid of, icrap...so yes we dont need another icrap one, but android would be cool and fit *my* idea of this site

Please MR. Forum Administrator read it.

I have seen an increase on non helpfully threads and messages number on the last few weeks here in this forum. Threads like this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1469498
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1468858
Many messages and threads always complaining about devs,number of ROMs, themes and bla bla bla....
If you are not happy enough I would really recommend you this:
-Make yourself a ROM and post here.Help the community to grow
-Make yourself a theme and post here.Help the community to grow
-Not happy with the phone, sell it and buy something else
-Not happy with LG (like me), post on another already opened threads about, delayed schedules ,ICS , GB etc.... there is plenty of them.
There is so many good people here (Acura team, King Team, Cyano team, Gerret, Adixtra, Fab-waterbear,even myself and many others), doing a free job to you, risking our own phones, to try to make your phone work better and you still complain ? Be fair and stop with it.
I would really appreciate if the forum Administrator could erase those threads.
*Sorry for posting something like this here, but after 750 answers/messages just under O3D forum I guess I have the right to try to keep this forum nice and even to go in defense of the other devs here.
**Keep the hard work, O3D is a great device.
***You can please delete this thread Mr Forum Administrator when enough people have accessed it

ThiaiZ said:
I have seen an increase on non helpfully threads and messages number on the last few weeks here in this forum. Threads like this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1469498
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1468858
Many messages and threads always complaining about devs,number of ROMs, themes and bla bla bla....
If you are not happy enough I would really recommend you this:
-Make yourself a ROM and post here.Help the community to grow
-Make yourself a theme and post here.Help the community to grow
-Not happy with the phone, sell it and buy something else
-Not happy with LG (like me), post on another already opened threads about, delayed schedules ,ICS , GB etc.... there is plenty of them.
There is so many good people here (Acura team, King Team, Cyano team, Gerret, Adixtra, Fab-waterbear,even myself and many others), doing a free job to you, risking our own phones, to try to make your phone work better and you still complain ? Be fair and stop with it.
I would really appreciate if the forum Administrator could erase those threads.
*Sorry for posting something like this here, but after 750 answers/messages just under O3D forum I guess I have the right to try to keep this forum nice and even to go in defense of the other devs here.
**Keep the hard work, O3D is a great device.
***You can please delete this thread Mr Forum Administrator when enough people have accessed it
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with all due respect, what happened to free speech?

Barracuda77777 said:
with all due respect, what happened to free speech?
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It has nothing to do with free speech, but respect for those who try to make this thing here better. My indignation is with the increase number of complains about devs here, like I said before people who do a free job to make O3D better.
Why to open threads "as questions", if there are just complaining about everything ?

ThiaiZ said:
It has nothing to do with free speech, but respect for those who try to make this thing here better. My indignation is with the increase number of complains about devs here, like I said before people who do a free job to make O3D better.
Why to open threads "as questions", if there are just complaining about everything ?
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fair enough, I agree with you, you and others have been an excellent devolopers for the O3D, I am personally upset soley with LG, they are liars, from the way they dealt with me always in denials about problems with O3D and making it though I am the only guy in the planet who is having the problems.
By the way we are still waiting for a GB baseband that does not hang

Barracuda77777 said:
fair enough, I agree with you, you and others have been an excellent devolopers for the O3D, I am personally upset soley with LG, they are liars, from the way they dealt with me always in denials about problems with O3D and making it though I am the only guy in the planet who is having the problems.
By the way we are still waiting for a GB baseband that does not hang
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Yes mate, now you got what I wanted to say.
I am also not happy with LG, and in this case I feel like I have the right to complain about them, cause I bought a product from LG, and they are not been fair enough with me, not keeping the promises they made before I even bought the product.

Thiaiz,
well put. I agree totally with you. Its one thing to not like the experience and say they are selling the phone...ok fine, but to totally trash dev's for only trying to help a community grow, that's just plain cruel.
Don't take it personal though man, just remember, they are the ones with issues...it just shows the people out there who can't control their expression in consideration for people OTHER than themselves and that they don't think before they speak. All comes down to selfishness and impatience.

My observations being a noob in the Android world

Coming from being an iPhone fanboy, I was well aware of the snooty attitudes that are rampant over there. Now that I have a taste of the Android side, I have learned a few things, some the hard way, and one thing I've noticed is how the attitudes are much the same. I have met some cool people with some great ideas and skills, and there are even a few that will answer questions. I get that some get annoyed at the asking of the same questions over and over. However, as a Dev, you should be expecting this. As Android takes more and more market share, new people are coming into this (like me) and trying to learn as much as we can. Some want simple answers, some want more complicated ones. I did a lot of the research myself, watching videos, Google searches, etc. But some people don't know how to, or just aren't computer literate.
XDA is a GREAT resource for information. But like other sites, sometimes you have to word your searches just right or you get nothing close to what you are trying to find out. Not the site's fault, it's just the way search engines are. So a hoard of people head into the threads, asking questions, and mostly getting good answers, But, as I have trolled through, I notice a lot of attitudes coming from devs, or friends of devs as they attack people because they didn't have 4 hours to troll though 500 pages in a thread, reading each and every post. Hoping their question was asked and answered before. If that makes you angry, maybe you should just make your ROMs and share them with a few friends and call it a day. From what I can see, most of the ROMs are pretty much the same in a lot of respects. I know the difference between TW ROMs and AOSP ROMs. I did the homework. I learned the hard way by soft bricking my phone, and I researched and got myself out of that jam thanks to the videos and postings of some nice people. There are a lot of people that don't have the PC skills or the time to do that. And even more that have no idea about message boards and how they work. BTW, the term "flaming" someone is as irritating to me as those people that ask the same questions over and over are to you. This is almost 2013. Terms like that are the exact reason I hate having to use message boards. Not everyone is as knowledgeable as you are. It doesn't mean they are dumb, they just don't want to learn, or they don't have the time.
I guess I'm trying to say, if you are going to put yourself out there by developing a ROM for free, and then complain because someone asks you a question or bugs you because you haven't updated it, maybe you should just all start charging for the ROMs. I will go back to stock myself, but I'm sure there are a few that will pay to have a few extras a little ahead of time. Then your base will shrink, allowing you to breathe easier knowing you are getting paid for your time. Maybe then, you will have to be a little nicer, more customer friendly. If you don't think you are getting the recognition you deserve, then don't do it. I know many would miss the customization, but they would quickly forget about it and find something else to do. And by the way, I have never had an issue like this. I'm strictly speaking from an observers point of view. Matter of fact, I may start doing some reviews, that will include not only the ROM itself, but the developers attitude when it comes to helping people through their issues. I think people should have the right to know if they are going to get help or not when choosing a ROM or other custom feature.
In closing, a lot of questions could be answered if some threads were created and "stickied" that explain the basic functions and directions dealing with flashing ROMs. It seems a lot of the "bugs" people experience are actually explainable because they had no clue what a clean flash vs dirty flashing was. Or that if you had Nova on one ROM, then flashed another ROM and Nova auto installed along with your other apps, that you would have to uninstall Nova to avoid problems. Or that CM kernels are not compatible with TW kernels and if the new ROM you are flashing doesn't install a new kernel, your new ROM may not be compatible with the one left behind form the old. Stuff like that. Sorry for the long post. Again, I have had no problems with anyone on here, dev or not, I just have seen a lot of this happening. And a lot of the attitudes are from dumb little things. You wanted to make ROMs, we all didn't force you to. And if you stop, others will take your place. I have seen that recently too, as soon as the new Nexus hit, a ton of devs left the SGS3 in the dust. But a few new guys showed up and have done a great job with their stuff. Congrats to them, I have found a good stable ROM because of this, and have received great support from this guy. He also regularly updates and interacts with the people taking the time to possibly brick their device to load his ROM. I hope more of those people show up in the future. Those are the people I will keep following and being patient with.

Most people usually help out, some don't. I just have a problem with developers thinking their **** don't stink as you'll learn if you venture out of this forum.

This thread is kinda out of line. Devs deliver us ROMs for free, who's to say what's expected and what's not? The only thing XDA requires devs to do is make their process or code open source, that's it. Devs aren't customer service reps, nor do they have to answer questions and play nice. They are doing us a favor by releasing the latest and the greatest bottom line. If your going to run a ROM, you should read the entire thread because there may be things you have to do, and if it weren't for people asking the same question over and over, threads would be half as long. If you dont have the time or the patience to do the research, you shouldn't be modding your device to begin with.
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Elite49 said:
Most people usually help out, some don't. I just have a problem with developers thinking their **** don't stink as you'll learn if you venture out of this forum.
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Yes, that does seem to be an issue. I notice too that the Original Android Devs are a little more snooty than the TW devs. Just my observation.

Do you honestly blame them? If they are going to spend hours and hours of their time coding, learning, and releasing ROMs for you, for free, and on top of it have you spend 10 mins maybe searching for an answer and then bothering them? I honestly don't blame them.
I've spent hours breaking things just to figure out how they work. Flashing things over and over and over again.
I wouldn't want to do that for hours on end, to have someone spend 10 mins, give up, and cry to me for help, then get mad when I didn't hand them the answer.
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Shibby87 said:
This thread is kinda out of line. Devs deliver us ROMs for free, who's to say what's expected and what's not? The only thing XDA requires devs to do is make their process or code open source, that's it. Devs aren't customer service reps, nor do they have to answer questions and play nice. They are doing us a favor by releasing the latest and the greatest bottom line. If your going to run a ROM, you should read the entire thread because there may be things you have to do, and if it weren't for people asking the same question over and over, threads would be half as long. If you dont have the time or the patience to do the research, you shouldn't be modding your device to begin with.
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You're right, they do deliver them for free. But people are trusting them and risking bricking a very expensive device to try their ROM and push their ROMs on other people. They willingly put themselves out there. We all could buy and use phones without customizing them. I'm just saying they act a little too fancy sometimes. Not all of them. Just a few.
Why is this out of line? I posted this in the general section. If I would have posted it anywhere else you would have said it should be in the General forum. See, you made one of my points for me. And last time I checked, I can say whatever I want. If the forum wants to cut it, fine. I'll deal with it on my outlet. No big deal.

Not going to lie, I think Android fanboys are worse than Apple fanboys from what I've seen. I was on a YouTube channel where a woman was talking about how she got an iPhone after selling her Galaxy Nexus and the comments were, "Go kill yourself iwhore", "Traitor sheep", "iSlut", Dumb bimbo etc. The most I see on Mac rumors are "poorphone" or no apps, or cheap looking. Whereas here, if you say iPhone you'll have a ton of people start calling you a sheep. I don't know, I think its incredible how ignorant some people are. Some people just like other things.
Galaxy SIII/Soon to be Note 2 owner once it comes in ftw.
Oh as an edit. That Instagram thing was awful a few months back when Android got instagram. iOS users were saying, "Oh now we get to see what poor people do" Terrible. Simply terrible.

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Do you honestly blame them? If they are going to spend hours and hours of their time coding, learning, and releasing ROMs for you, for free, and on top of it have you spend 10 mins maybe searching for an answer and then bothering them? I honestly don't blame them.
I've spent hours breaking things just to figure out how they work. Flashing things over and over and over again.
I wouldn't want to do that for hours on end, to have someone spend 10 mins, give up, and cry to me for help, then get mad when I didn't hand them the answer.
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I doubt people are giving up in 10 minutes and running for the forums. Most people don't want to risk any of this to possibly ruin their expensive phones. The point is, they put themselves out there and make themselves available on the forums. If they don't want to deal with noobs (which every one of you was at one time or another) then throw up a ROM on some site and leave it. I'm not blaming anyone for anything. I figured out a lot on my own too. I have asked very few questions of anyone. But there are a lot of people that don't have the time or knowledge to find all this out on their own. If they are being asked the same question over and over, maybe put those answers in the OP to begin with. I have seen quite a few ROMs posted with very little info in the OPs. They aer banking on everyone knowing what they are doing right off the bat.

And lets really clear some things up. Some of these "Devs" aren't really developing anything. They have the time and/or patience and utilize the kitchen to strip down a stock rom. They throw in some mods that real devs made and slap their name on it. Then ask for donations like they just did something incredible. I've tried just about every modified stock rom on xda and there was really no difference. And God forbid someone has anything negative to say about a rom.
And in regards to the aosp devs, if they dont want to be asked questions or don't want their work criticized they shouldn't be making roms for the public. This forum is filled with smart asses that think everyone should know what they know. Everyone at one point had to ask someone else for help because how else do you learn.
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RCITNet said:
And lets really clear some things up. Some of these "Devs" aren't really developing anything. They have the time and/or patience and utilize the kitchen to strip down a stock rom. They throw in some mods that real devs made and slap their name on it. Then ask for donations like they just did something incredible. I've tried just about every modified stock rom on xda and there was really no difference. And God forbid someone has anything negative to say about a rom.
And in regards to the aosp devs, if they dont want to be asked questions or don't want their work criticized they shouldn't be making roms for the public. This forum is filled with smart asses that think everyone should know what they know. Everyone at one point had to ask someone else for help because how else do you learn.
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This. This is the cancer invading xda lately. Ungrateful ****s...
my tapatalk signature sucks more than yours.

RCITNet said:
And lets really clear some things up. Some of these "Devs" aren't really developing anything. They have the time and/or patience and utilize the kitchen to strip down a stock rom. They throw in some mods that real devs made and slap their name on it. Then ask for donations like they just did something incredible. I've tried just about every modified stock rom on xda and there was really no difference. And God forbid someone has anything negative to say about a rom.
And in regards to the aosp devs, if they dont want to be asked questions or don't want their work criticized they shouldn't be making roms for the public. This forum is filled with smart asses that think everyone should know what they know. Everyone at one point had to ask someone else for help because how else do you learn.
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That is why they are guides and info posted in op if bugs and such?
I sure did not post here when I was rooting oh I need some help with adb fastboot Odin what's the problem there are plenty of guides that cover everything
People just tend to give up so easily; that's how lazy the generation has become. Those guides posted helped me out and such. I didn't ask someone else for helped I did this on my own with a guide up on here now I know more than just rudimentary things of the android world I help people out but still gets annoying when you have 5 if the same threads I mean if I could find them why can't they? It's really not that hard.
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As someone buying a G1 and not even knowing what rooting was, I have no sympathy for the winers. I soft bricked, got almost no sleep reading up on recovering it, and I never once posted a question. Now I'm flashing/recovering/restoring any device I want.
The devs spend countless hours working on making roms and apps for us, the least you could do is research (hours if necessary) before asking the same questions that have been answered previously. If you can't handle common sense tasks then a) don't root or flash b) stay with your iPhone
Not trying to rip anyone, but this is a pointless thread Imo.
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dnar56 said:
As someone buying a G1 and not even knowing what rooting was, I have no sympathy for the winers. I soft bricked, got almost no sleep reading up on recovering it, and I never once posted a question. Now I'm flashing/recovering/restoring any device I want.
The devs spend countless hours working on making roms and apps for us, the least you could do is research (hours if necessary) before asking the same questions that have been answered previously. If you can't handle common sense tasks then a) don't root or flash b) stay with your iPhone
Not trying to rip anyone, but this is a pointless thread Imo.
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Endorsed.
Replace G1 with D1 and that's my story. I googled. I bricked. I bricked a lot. And I read. End of story.
You make it seem like phone tinkering and flashing are a right, a service if you will. It's not. This is a site for phone geeks to share their work. You should be grateful it's not a paid service. Why fix something that's not broken? If you don't like the way it is, you have plenty of options out there. You are complaining about forums in general - it's not limited to xda.
For the record, your post was pretty good until the last paragraph. Didn't agree with that one, however - that's Ok. Your opinion. Just like this is mine...
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I do have to add though that out of like the 15 touchwiz stock ROMs out there, most of them are the same. And personally I think dev's should accept and take in whatever criticism they get for their ROM. As constructive criticism, so they can make their ROM better.
If they have no desire to make it better, then they should outright say their will only be one release. If they feel someone is being disrespectful, they should be the better person and tell them politely to not be so disrespectful. Just my opinion, and yes I am grateful for all the devs do here.
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NightxFall said:
I do have to add though that out of like the 15 touchwiz stock ROMs out there, most of them are the same. And personally I think dev's should accept and take in whatever criticism they get for their ROM. As constructive criticism, so they can make their ROM better.
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Constructive criticism is fine. What's annoying (even from a non-dev perspective) is the same question getting asked over and over again. Sometimes a dead horse is kicked up for 4-5 pages. Then once it finally dies down, some dude asks the same question. It's silly and unnecessary. If they Google their question followed by ", xda" they would have found the original answer.
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First, I have no problems with XDA. That wasn;t the intention. XDA provides a great service to people who want to customize their phone AND devs that want to put their work out there.
Second, if you feel like this thread is useless, why are you spending the time to respond?
Third, the statement I made wasn't a slam on anyone. I am well aware of people that are too lazy to search things out for themselves. The point I was making, is we need each other. If we refuse to tinker with our phones, the devs are essentially doing this for themselves and a few friends that want to join in. If they aren't creating ROMs, we don't have a way to customize our phones. However, we can get along without each other too. I know if the ROMs weren't there, I would still enjoy the use of my smartphone. If we weren't downloading, devs would still tinker with building ROMs. The whole issue is how we treat each other on ANY forum. If you are getting asked the same questions over and over, maybe a the first post should be updated with those Q&A's. I have seen very few OPs do that. In fact, a majority of the AOSP threads have nothing at all posted regarding issues or potential problems. They just expect everyone to know everything. Everybody learned from somebody else. Whether it was through Google search, this forum or YouTube videos. MOST of the people complaining about the same questions being asked have very little info on their thread.
Again, props to those devs that don't mind helping people out. And props to XDA for providing the forum. The rest should put up pay sites maybe, but their ROM downloads would quickly fall. I have enjoyed my experience thus far tinkering around with something new. But the few in the community that whine about people asking questions should settle down and realize how you act. That goes for the "customer" that can't ask nicely too. I'm not anti-dev. I get what they do is tough and time consuming.

Real_JESRadio said:
First, I have no problems with XDA. That wasn;t the intention. XDA provides a great service to people who want to customize their phone AND devs that want to put their work out there.
Second, if you feel like this thread is useless, why are you spending the time to respond?
Third, the statement I made wasn't a slam on anyone. I am well aware of people that are too lazy to search things out for themselves. The point I was making, is we need each other. If we refuse to tinker with our phones, the devs are essentially doing this for themselves and a few friends that want to join in. If they aren't creating ROMs, we don't have a way to customize our phones. However, we can get along without each other too. I know if the ROMs weren't there, I would still enjoy the use of my smartphone. If we weren't downloading, devs would still tinker with building ROMs. The whole issue is how we treat each other on ANY forum. If you are getting asked the same questions over and over, maybe a the first post should be updated with those Q&A's. I have seen very few OPs do that. In fact, a majority of the AOSP threads have nothing at all posted regarding issues or potential problems. They just expect everyone to know everything. Everybody learned from somebody else. Whether it was through Google search, this forum or YouTube videos. MOST of the people complaining about the same questions being asked have very little info on their thread.
Again, props to those devs that don't mind helping people out. And props to XDA for providing the forum. The rest should put up pay sites maybe, but their ROM downloads would quickly fall. I have enjoyed my experience thus far tinkering around with something new. But the few in the community that whine about people asking questions should settle down and realize how you act. That goes for the "customer" that can't ask nicely too. I'm not anti-dev. I get what they do is tough and time consuming.
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We spend time to respond to actually have you realize no one is gna be here all the time for you some things you have to be done by themselves, I'm 16 I wonder when you'll realize that. No one is gna be up your ass changing your clothes for you either learn the hard way or just not at all.
I have seen multiple threads of people complaining that their data is gone on cm10.1 and not one has bothered to even look at the op's post clearly showing the way to fix it. They just want the easy way out to ask and have someone redirect them there and I have but it gets tiring doing it over and over and over again.
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Despite me being new to XDA I am not new to the process of rooting android phones. I have been rooting other people's phones before I bought the Galaxy S 3. I don't ask questions in forums I research my own answers to my questions. I noticed the same things as the person who started this thread I just don't see the point in bringing it up as it will continue to happen.

Unlike all the badass geniuses in here I have asked questions since I got my first smartphone less than a month ago.
I think it's pretty stupid how people think they're so cool because they figured out how to root, there are so many details in rooting/flashing ROMs and kernels and these high end smart phones are very expensive especially now because of the **** economy, people just don't want to brick they're phones they invested so much in.
People aren't supposed to know all the bugs in a new ROM they flashed and you guys are giving this "issue" too much priority.
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End of custom roms.......

Sorry guys.... As another dev shuts up shop due to users/noobs that don't read opening posts or explain the bugs they having.
Custom roms will soon be a thing of the pass.
I for one knows how much time/effort goes into making a rom. It's no easy task. The amount of flashing/bricking to bring roms to us.
All the roms on xda are free but if this continues then devs may start charging for their roms (maybe not on xda but who knows) Wouldn't blame them really though.
All users need to understand if we don't have devs on Android. Then basically we will end up like iPhone users that are locked down. We should be grateful for all devs that brings us root without it then no custom roms would exist.
Do the Android community wanna end up like iPhone? I doubt it very much.
Respect the devs
Read the first post, search the thread! All answers are there. This excuse "I searched but couldn't find anything" is BS basically.
We will lose them all eventually.
Rant over.
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Post of the month!
ETA:
As much as I agree, this is flogging a dead horse
Until you can change the impatient 'fix it now, I refuse to read the first post post anyway, that bits not important' mentality of the average user, nothing will change

I agree. most users in this community are selfish. most likely they demand fix this please, when's the next update, port it please, comparing their work to another's hard work, flaming and so on.
they neither try to read back the thread or use the search function. or has no clue with the forum rules. it's a sad thing but yeah it's here. it's really a sad thing but there's nothing we can do unless they learn to respect the free work devs have put into their work. people should realize devs are doing it on their spare time on their own will to share to people for users to enjoy for free.

Agree
I was hoping to find a thread like this and I totally agree with you.
But maybe that is not the end cause I think that the devs will still love what they do just that they try not to address certain people.
As great as the idea of XDA is and as much as I'm happy that this awesome forum exists..I think that it should be talked/discussed about the forum rules!!!
Example:
How can it be possible that you become senior member with 100 posts?
This leads to flaming in some cases and is no way near related on how helpful you are
The process in being allowed to post
While some are annoyed that they can't discuss right after logging the first time....for others it is way to simple to join and flame.
Rules enforcement
We all know that some posts we make are not related to the devices...and I think that this shouldn't be seen as an issue in general...XDA to me is also a communication page as long as the dev doesn't have a problem with it... BUT being disrespectful to the work you receive for free and claiming bugs where there are reported to be none and most important refusing to read should be looked after more often.
At last I really don't want to criticize XDA or what it stands for cause I still love it... I just hope it stays what it was created for and won't loose the devs which are doing so many awesome things for us because some people just can't follow the rules and be thankful for what they get

Maybe some new rules when people sign up?like private reference or something?but then again that would drop Ads revenue of this site drasticly

Unfortunately it's fact that most of the users are never happy enough with the things they get FOR FREE. They don't see the hard work of the devs behind a custom ROM. They only see what they have on their phones, and if there's something they don't like, they complain and blame the dev. And the fact that many users don't read instructions or simple informations gives the devs more work. They have to watch their thread 24 hours a day and always be friendly and helpful. If that's not given, some users become rude. My favorite thread was closed this morning because of such stupidity. The dev pulls his heart and soul in his project and gets more negative than positive feedback. That's not fair.
 @4aces: you know what thread I'm talking about, i think you agree, it's a sad sad day for us.

Exactly @speedwayfan75 that why I had to voice my rant over that thread. And @DSA same for your thread too shut due to some users. Black box was great used on s3 then got discontinued on s4
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So you are announcing the end of the custom ROMs, because of some impatient noobs, who have always been around and probably always will be? Are you for real?

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So you are announcing the end of the custom ROMs, because of some impatient noobs, who have always been around and probably always will be? Are you for real?
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Did I day that :banghead:
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In my opinion it's also the fault of XDA in general.
Just take a look in the Q&A section. So many question that have been anwsered before, so many people that just won't read.
In my opinion every thread that doesn't have a decent opening post should be closed untill they put some effort in it. But the more users XDA gets, the more money they make. So the skill level will only keep lowering and then some other decent website opens and replaces XDA.
Users just get to much space to do anything they want. I'm not blaming the mods in any way, because I think they are doing a good job. People higher up the ladder should take action or XDA will go down true their own succes.

I agree that there are many noob who do not read the post before replying.
But every boby was a noob before no?
just give them a chance to become good Android users...
PS: sorry for my english, i'am french !

You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.

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You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.
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Its not as simple as that
If I create a development thread and include all relevant info in the first post, which is then populated with nothing but questions that are answered in the first post it makes it incredibly hard to find any proper posts which could contribute to the rom or for me to help a genuine user having issues
I created a specific q&a thread for these types of posts and everyone ignored it and filled up my dev thread instead
XDA has a chronic problem with users atm, I can't explain it or understand it, but I'm seeing more and more devs close their threads because of the users populating it
Have a read of the gravitybox thread in the xposed section...its unbelievable..
ETA: just had a read of the echorom thread...check @friedrich420 last posts in there..I feel for him as I know exactly how he feels

Users should be understanding about this. I think XDA should double the number of moderators so that useless posts are deleted on regular basis. For developers; they should create a third post on their ROM topic, that has a big list of all FAQs in bold.

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You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.
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I agree. I'm not sure if Devs will start charging, to be honest I'd probably pay, But anyways.... I work in Service Management for a Global IT company, and this behaviour is pretty standard when you are dealing with this many users..
I for one respond ONCE and the ignore users that make demands or unreasonable requests or are just plain offensive or rude.
What makes it worse though is the number of more experienced users that actually reply to these people in the thread. Honestly is some threads they have doubled the useless post count! Now, before I get flamed, I have done it myself because its just plain RUDE!!! But it doesn't take every 'good' user to flame back or stick up for the dev or say not to ask for ETAs! Just once will do and then ignore them!
If you ask any service professional or SixSigma bod, they will say 'focus on the good users and ignore the bad'.
Please please though reading multiple posts from good users responding to bad users is just as annoying as having to read the original bad post.
Peace Out People!

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Its not as simple as that
If I create a development thread and include all relevant info in the first post, which is then populated with nothing but questions that are answered in the first post it makes it incredibly hard to find any proper posts which could contribute to the rom or for me to help a genuine user having issues
I created a specific q&a thread for these types of posts and everyone ignored it and filled up my dev thread instead
XDA has a chronic problem with users atm, I can't explain it or understand it, but I'm seeing more and more devs close their threads because of the users populating it
Have a read of the gravitybox thread in the xposed section...its unbelievable..
ETA: just had a read of the echorom thread...check @friedrich420 last posts in there..I feel for him as I know exactly how he feels
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I thank you from the bottom of my heart!! I know if anyone can understand is you my man!! I create a basic custom rom at best (and kernels lately). You create the most awesome rom i have ever used!! Way way over my head!! And you get the same treatment?? Its really not worth it!! People (im not generalizing because there are some EXCEPTIONAL USERS who deserve recognition) dont get (or dont want to get) what it takes to create a masterpiece like yours for example...
Thank you and my wish is that we will see you back!!
But one thing is for sure, something has to change...
It seems that people value something only if they have to pay for it... Im not say this should happen here but something that protects us (the creators/ providers of roms. kernels, recoveries, mods, apps etc etc) for the **** we get should be put in place... Some kind of mechanism that protects spamming and protects flaming... Something with more success than the current measures we have in place now...
Also THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR YOUR SUPPORT and opening this thread is a good thing!!
It needs to stay up and we need to make it into a "brainstorming pool" of ways to make sure devs who do this for free (therefore they do it because they love sharing) are protected...

How to stop stupid questions?
Firstly if devs want to be paid then good for them. Whatever they get it wont be enough. This might leave some users feeling empowered though - they would feel they were owed answers as they had paid "where is my promised bug fix you lazy asshole!". And we don't want that. So how about a testers thread for each ROM were the dev controls who can post and a general thread for each ROM were you have to pay to post ($0.20). It would encourage only real questions after peole have searched.

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How to stop stupid questions?
Firstly if devs want to be paid then good for them. Whatever they get it wont be enough. This might leave some users feeling empowered though - they would feel they were owed answers as they had paid "where is my promised bug fix you lazy asshole!". And we don't want that. So how about a testers thread for each ROM were the dev controls who can post and a general thread for each ROM were you have to pay to post ($0.20). It would encourage only real questions after peole have searched.
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You are so so right about that!!
Thats why i would never want to sell anything here..
Can you imagine what they would do to me???
I mean i get abuse from offering free stuff for so many devices... can you imagine making money for it? People would think im their slave...

goodgood hahahahhahah
stevendeb25 said:
Sorry guys.... As another dev shuts up shop due to users/noobs that don't read opening posts or explain the bugs they having.
Custom roms will soon be a thing of the pass.
I for one knows how much time/effort goes into making a rom. It's no easy task. The amount of flashing/bricking to bring roms to us.
All the roms on xda are free but if this continues then devs may start charging for their roms (maybe not on xda but who knows) Wouldn't blame them really though.
All users need to understand if we don't have devs on Android. Then basically we will end up like iPhone users that are locked down. We should be grateful for all devs that brings us root without it then no custom roms would exist.
Do the Android community wanna end up like iPhone? I doubt it very much.
Respect the devs
Read the first post, search the thread! All answers are there. This excuse "I searched but couldn't find anything" is BS basically.
We will lose them all eventually.
Rant over.
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goodgood verygood

friedrich420 said:
You are so so right about that!!
Thats why i would never want to sell anything here..
Can you imagine what they would do to me???
I mean i get abuse from offering free stuff for so many devices... can you imagine making money for it? People would think im their slave...
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Gasp! I donated $1!!!!! You mean I don't own you????

XDA we need you

There are tons of complaints on the official oneplus Nord forum and XDA about connectivity, brightness, notifications and screen issues.
We have sent a lot of logs to help the oneplus team with zero feedbacks.
It's been 3 months and several updates, nothing is fixed. The community needs answers.
Could someone take a look at this and help us being heard by oneplus with an official XDA article ?

All being N00bs ("Cupcakes") and/or first timers coming from Apple: to be ignored.

Yeah, an XDA article could make a difference. Oneplus seems to be ignoring even the major bugs like internet connectivity issue. Its really annoying and ruining the day to day experience of device.
Even after several major updates and submission of complaints and logs, OnePlus didn't fix the issues till now.
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it's a disaster too many bugs to sell it but oneplus team pays reviewers well

Same here. Most common bug and irritating bug is, google feed/discover won't load while on mobile data. Rest i can live with, but leaves me also by aLOT of question marks!
After all-around, this is my second OP Device, and my last one!
(ps and i don't think that A11 is gonna solve those issues)
My 2 cents..

Forget google feed/discover, I'm even having connectivity issues with other apps

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Forget google feed/discover, I'm even having connectivity issues with other apps
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Same here! I am facing connectivity issues while playing game, browsing, google feed, google lens via gallery/camera, maps. That is a lot!!

There is already a port of stock dialer for 8t and not for nord please someone port it

Perhaps a thread or even a development section which details learning resources where long time members (like myself) who have been on the scene for years (but can't actually contribute anything worthwhile) can learn how to contribute without getting flamed for asking stupid questions alongside others with a similar mentality?

Absolutely, but had zero spare time to push this kind of things atm

Jamie_Bowen said:
Perhaps a thread or even a development section which details learning resources where long time members (like myself) who have been on the scene for years (but can't actually contribute anything worthwhile) can learn how to contribute without getting flamed for asking stupid questions alongside others with a similar mentality?
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Maybe you find something to your desire at the XDA University:
Tutorials, How-To Guides and More. Learn about mobile phone development, hacking, flashing, rooting and many other topics!
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Maybe you find something to your desire at the XDA University:
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Damn. Looks like I need to learn how to use the search function :silly:

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All being N00bs ("Cupcakes") and/or first timers coming from Apple: to be ignored.
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See Oneplus 7 and 7T GPS issues. All swept under the rug.
The 8 Pro display issues? People still recommend it regardless of OP having the utmost worst warranty on this planet.
Random fanboys just pop up if you mention issues and just keep defending the company and I don't know why.
I am baffled by the fact they are so unwilling to see that the current OnePlus phones are really subpar quality. I am a huge OnePlus fan, but even I see that there are many problems.
Like now I want to get a OnePlus, because I really loved my 7 Pro, minus the GPS. But what to buy?
7/7T? Bad GPS. Nord? So many issues. 8 Pro? Display issues. 8T? Already seen a dozen problems on XDA.
Maybe the 8 looks like a viable option, I don't know. Maybe.