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Ok, talk me out of buying this: Rhino Shield.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1081571316/rhino-shield-the-impact-resistant-screen-protector
I have said before that people who think the Nexus 4 is fragile are just irresponsible and don't know how to mind their phones...
... then I dropped the phone in my backyard. On grass. While in a TPU S-case. The screen cracked and the digitizer was unresponsive.
$120, a toolkit, and a YouTube video later; I've got a repaired phone. When I leave my house, my phone always rests in a case, whether S-case, Poetic Palette, or Poetic Slimbook. And these cases always add a noticeable amount of bulk.
I'd love to be able to use the phone caseless, but I don't want to shell out another $120 and spend another evening replacing the screen.
So... I'd be very grateful if someone would please explain to me why I shouldn't buy this. Tell me why it doesn't provide drop protection. Or that the phone would still break from a 5 foot fall into concrete. Tell me that the coverage means nothing and that edge protection is necessary if the event of a drop.
Or... you can tell me that this screen protector provides as much protection as the Poetic Palette/Rearth Ringke
I'm only asking for real advice, because I really want to go caseless, and if the Rhino Shield provides adequate drop protection, I will. 2x0.29 mm isn't too thick (0.58 mm for our slow friends) and is certainly thinner than any case possible.
P.S. If the Kickstarter is cancelled, everyone gets their money back (no scam).

I have a question.
when your phone dropped (with the S TPU) you didn't have any screen protector on?

shmizan said:
I have a question.
when your phone dropped (with the S TPU) you didn't have any screen protector on?
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I did not have a screen protector on.
More and extraneous detail: I had just gotten the phone replaced, as my first N4 had a faulty radio that consistently dropped cellular data. With my replacement, I left the packing film on the back, but removed the front film.
When I dropped the phone, it landed on it's back. Somehow, only the front cracked. The back remains pristine, though I have since removed that packing film.

there's your answer. put the film back on. you're welcome.

azik said:
there's your answer. put the film back on. you're welcome.
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I'm not sure if you're being facetious or you truly don't understand the point of my thread...
This Kickstarter is for a very durable screen protector that appears resilient against single point impact. However, I don't know how it fares against an actual drop. I'm particularly interested in how it would do against concrete.
I'd be very interested in using my phone without a case, and this specific screen protector boasts significantly more protection than a standard screen protector. Watch the video. Spoiler: a 255g ball bearing is dropped from 48cm onto a Gorilla Glass 2 panel with Rhino Shield and escapes intact. The same bearing is then dropped from a mere 9cm onto the same glass panel which is now using a "standard" screen protector. This time, the screen cracks all over.
However, someone who has more experience in industrial design or phone durability may be able to dispel the Rhino Shield claims. Maybe their test was not representative of an actual drop. Maybe edge protection is far more important.
One thing is certain about your advice... I'm not going to heed it!
Edit: this video is a more direct comparison, using a real phone this time. It seems very impressive, but I'm still concerned about hire important edge protection is in the case of a real world drop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk70XEYk53Y
Edit 2: this video actually had drop results and they seem promising. I'm going to bite the bullet and get one. I'll try to remember to update this thread in the future if my phone breaks. If I don't, assume it hasn't! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=humEMjHElG0

so basically it's a product similar to wrapsol and ~5 $ cheaper

I was joking actually but thanks for the info

AW: Ok, talk me out of buying this: Rhino Shield.
That would be seriously nice if the Kids were playing on my Device!
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shmizan said:
so basically it's a product similar to wrapsol and ~5 $ cheaper
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Ahh, now there's a helpful post. I looked up Wrapsol protectors and found this review on Amazon:
the product was delivered very quick almost 5 days faster than expected. I bought this product on amazon since they stopped selling them in my local walmart. Couldn't be happier the full screen protector is the way to go since you get full protection with minimal size increase. I have dropped my phone probably over 150 times over the past year with this wrapsol full screen protector on it and it has yet to crack any of those times (including tile, terrazzo, and concrete).
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I've looked at the other reviews, for all kinds of iPhones, and found that Wrapsol protectors stretch over time. I really hope this doesn't happen to Rhino Shield, but I'll just make them give me a new one if that happens. I mean, it would be pretty messed up if you got a screen protector, and after a year it misaligned to the point of function loss.

I saw a post today (on another forum) about someone dropping a nexus 4 with wrapsol on it- he got out of a car and forgot the phone was on his lap, and he says the screen shattered at 3 different places.
in my opinion, these types of screen protectors may help as long as the phone doesn't fall on one of its corners.

Amazer already has one of these
http://www.amzer.com/Amzer-ShatterProof-Screen-Protector-Front-Coverage-P95221.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsxl1bRTldo

their brick test is incredible...
however, the rhino is about half the price

I'm not sure how similar the rhino shield is compared to invisible shield but I've been using that on all my phones for a long time and can tell you that even on corner drops I have not had a single cracked screen. I got the full body shield installed by the guy at the mall selling it for $35. I think you can buy it without someone installing it for less.
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a-a said:
their brick test is incredible...
however, the rhino is about half the price
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Again, I'm quite skeptical about the rigor of these companies' testing methods. I just don't feel like the hammer and bricks tests represent real life hazards to phones. They should perform a drop test onto a hard surface, and repeat dropping until the glass shatters or they show that the screen protector really is shatterproof. I'd love to see a worst case scenario from a set of 100 trials.
From what I see if specs, Rhino is at least 50% thicker than similar shatterproof film. I just wish Rhino would release chemical info of the polymer that used
I already gave Rhino Shield my USD$24, though.

I think I am in for one
I am waiting at home for the Fed Ex truck to arrive with my repaired Nexus 4. Dropped it from 1.5 feet onto the tile in my bathroom and the front screen shattered and the digitizer stopped working. I would love to see this in a drop test but those videos look impressive. My fault for not having a case on it yet but it is ridiculous how fragile this phone is. I don't understand how Google and LG Engineering would allow this out the door like this. I could easily see some sort of class action lawsuit coming over the build robustness and I will be sure to sign up if/when it happens to get some of that $140 repair bill back. I am going to contribute to this kickstarter. Looks like they are getting close to their goal.

NikolasM said:
I am waiting at home for the Fed Ex truck to arrive with my repaired Nexus 4. Dropped it from 1.5 feet onto the tile in my bathroom and the front screen shattered and the digitizer stopped working. I would love to see this in a drop test but those videos look impressive. My fault for not having a case on it yet but it is ridiculous how fragile this phone is. I don't understand how Google and LG Engineering would allow this out the door like this. I could easily see some sort of class action lawsuit coming over the build robustness and I will be sure to sign up if/when it happens to get some of that $140 repair bill back. I am going to contribute to this kickstarter. Looks like they are getting close to their goal.
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Everyone knows they bought a glass frint/back phone, I doubt there's going to be a class action lawsuit... Lol
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Where/how do you order one?

ClintRhodes said:
Where/how do you order one?
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You can either back them on Kickstarter and choose the Nexus 4 front and back protector as a 'reward' (costs £16 to get that reward).
Alternatively you can wait for it to come into production and buy it just like any other product.

It sounds good. I might back it.
How do you all think this compares to the Fantom 4 tempered glass screen protectors? I was thinking of getting one of those.

Hung0702 said:
I'm not sure if you're being facetious or you truly don't understand the point of my thread...
This Kickstarter is for a very durable screen protector that appears resilient against single point impact. However, I don't know how it fares against an actual drop. I'm particularly interested in how it would do against concrete.
I'd be very interested in using my phone without a case, and this specific screen protector boasts significantly more protection than a standard screen protector. Watch the video. Spoiler: a 255g ball bearing is dropped from 48cm onto a Gorilla Glass 2 panel with Rhino Shield and escapes intact. The same bearing is then dropped from a mere 9cm onto the same glass panel which is now using a "standard" screen protector. This time, the screen cracks all over.
However, someone who has more experience in industrial design or phone durability may be able to dispel the Rhino Shield claims. Maybe their test was not representative of an actual drop. Maybe edge protection is far more important.
One thing is certain about your advice... I'm not going to heed it!
Edit: this video is a more direct comparison, using a real phone this time. It seems very impressive, but I'm still concerned about hire important edge protection is in the case of a real world drop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk70XEYk53Y
Edit 2: this video actually had drop results and they seem promising. I'm going to bite the bullet and get one. I'll try to remember to update this thread in the future if my phone breaks. If I don't, assume it hasn't! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=humEMjHElG0
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i posted in the rhino thread about the edge not being protected so there's not a lot of real drop protection. Im not and expert on phone design but if you take a look at your phones or videos of drop test, esp. the ones in slow mo, you can see that on a flat surface the phone will impact the edges most of the time. There's lots of pics of phones with shattered screens and the ones from drops usually are cracked from an edge or corner. the Nexus 4 is going to be worst than other phones because the screen curves around the bezel exposing more glass in a vulnerable area that is not covered by the screen protector. If you want drop protection get a case with lip around the screen. Get a screen protector if you dont want scratches.
Android001 said:
You can either back them on Kickstarter and choose the Nexus 4 front and back protector as a 'reward' (costs £16 to get that reward).
Alternatively you can wait for it to come into production and buy it just like any other product.
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backing a kickstarter will not guarantee you get anything, most fail even the ones with enough backing and there's no refunds with kickstarter. You are also getting an untested product until someone can get it and verify the manufacture's claims.

Too fragile: 24 inch drop destroys MXPE. Moto Care stinks.

COMPLETE FAIL. Is this phone too fragile?
Less than 48 hours ownership... Bent down to tie my shoe, phone falls 24 inches from breast pocket, screen totally obliterated and unresponsive. Phone is bricked. Can't unlock. Can't retrieve data. Can't answer calls or read texts or SILENCE ALARMS!!!
This fragility is totally unacceptable. I carried a DROID MAXX HD for 2-1/2 years with only a 3M film screen protector. The MAXX HD suffered numerous cringing falls and rebounds off my foot skittering across asphalt and concrete. Never a scratch on that screen.
I don't see any 3M film screen protectors for the MXPE, only tempered glass. It seems to me that film is superior. Hard tempered glass protectors would seem to transfer shock while plastic film deforms and absorbs shock.
MOTO CARE SUCKS (so far). I immediately purchased Moto Care online (which advertises retroactive coverage if purchased within thirty days). But the Moto web site did not immediately recognize my purchase. Spoke to three uninformative customer (non-) service representatives (with heavy language barriers).
The third rep told me my Moto Care would take up to ten days for "delivery". WHAT? There is nothing to ship! Further, the Moto Care purchase FAQ says nothing about "delivery" delays. The rep says "sorry", there's nothing he can do.
Next day, my Moto Care package magically "appears" on the Moto web site under "My Stuff" and so I click the "Repair" button. I enter all my details and make payment. Now, it's almost been a week and there's no sign of life. I click "Track Repair" and enter my RMA number. Nothing. So, then I attempt to track using my IMEI number. Nothing. Finally, I try it again using my phone number and zip code. Surprise---that one works and I can see I have a repair order, but it's all blanks under "Replacement device, date shipped, etc."
How many days to get a replacement? Who knows.
Any other aftermarket sources to replace a cracked screen?

I have a film based screen protector. Several options at Amazon. Your experience seems very odd. Is your post a repost? Seems like I've seen it before.

rushless said:
I have a film based screen protector. Several options at Amazon. Your experience seems very odd. Is your post a repost? Seems like I've seen it before.
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I've occasionally dropped every phone I've ever owned without damage. This phone literally obliterated from a short drop. Do I have to wrap it in a pillow? I'll check Amazon for film protectors, thanks. Not a re-post here.

Go on you guys, wish for even smaller bezels, less protruding chassis and more "edge" effect on the rounded, exposed glassy front surface, larger screens and thinner devices.
Can't cheat physiscs. Where there is no crash zone there is no crash zone.
Nexus 5x prime example: cheap (but soft, dampening) plastic and screen is sunken in. Or Sony, with the rubbery corners on their devices.
The more of the above comes true, the less shock absorbent the devices become. I dont care about a 1mm or 2mm bezel or a crappy unhandy edged glass surface if this means more spiderman-app and less funtime with the device. And I want to make all sh**heads shut up which cry for all of the above, producing crystal cellphones as a consequence. Go get and shatter your iPhones if you want useless, easily breakable, expensive jewellery. I try to actually use and not only show off my devices.

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...I dont care about a 1mm or 2mm bezel or a crappy unhandy edged glass surface if this means more spiderman-app and less funtime with the device. And I want to make all sh**heads shut up which cry for all of the above, producing crystal cellphones as a consequence. ...
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HEAR, HEAR!!! I'd pay $100 more for a THICKER, HEAVIER device with diamond plate bezel, thick long-lasting battery, and non-ridiculous connectors (i.e, cheap, flimsy USB jacks)---Do you hear me, you USB Implementers Forum designers??? When are you going to design a hardy connector???? USB-C is another disaster design with no thought toward ruggedness. But, oh boy, it plugs in both ways... yippeee!!! NOT.
I actually think there'd be a huge market for a ruggedized military-looking device ("tactical" is the buzz word among the gun/hunter crowd). Slim jewelry phones are for the 21-year old ladies who walk between bars in winter with 4-inch skirts and no sleeves on, and maybe for dentists and lawyers and West Hollywood types. I need a man phone.

Ugh... One tiny drop in the wrong spot will damage any device. Don't drop it, or put a case on it, that simple.

charlatan01 said:
Don't drop it.
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Simply unacceptable for those who physically work for a living. And, like I said, my MAXX HD survived dozens of drops. I don't feel I should have to expect a 24-inch drop will destroy a phone.

Sorry to hear about your experience. But when the screen glass makes up an edge of the phone then it isnt going to survive drop into hard surfaces. This is why they included a bumper in the box. Keep in mind these things are made of glass and delicate electronics. It would be wise to temper your expectations. I agree about Motorola's customer service. It leaves EVERYTHING to be desired.

amathophobia said:
It would be wise to temper your expectations.
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Probably so. My expectations were shaped by my previous device. Can I get a 5.7" MAXX HD 2015 please?

SLORider said:
Probably so. My expectations were shaped by my previous device. Can I get a 5.7" MAXX HD 2015 please?
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If you are on Verizon look at the Droid turbo 2. Has a5.43-inch QHD display that is said to be shatterproof, Snapdragon 810 with either 32/64GB of storage, along with a 3,760mAh battery.

All of that great stuff negated by being tied to Verizon.

brholt6 said:
All of that great stuff negated by being tied to Verizon.
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OP had a Droid MAXX so at one point was on Verizon. Say what you will VZW is still unmatched in coverage area I've had them for 16 years will not change unless I can get my UDP through someone else with no throttling. I use 400Gb/month thanks to root and tether my phone is my ISP no cable bill is awesome.

If you want a phone to last, get a case for it.
I've had 5 smartphones, dropped them all, never had any damage to any of them... Because I've always had them in a £3 case!
Better value than insurance lol.
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I've dropped my MXPE from a couple a feet up and it has lived to tell the tale. I only use the provided bumper, lucky I guess. Sorry to hear about your clusterf*** of a time trying to get a replacement. Good luck.

Breaking a phone screen its pure luck, i had a X 2014 which i dropped SO MANY TIMES and never ever had a problem
Then 1 night, a 10inch drop and BAM screen broken.
And why are you assuming your experience its the general situation with the phone ? I dropped this phone the other day from about the same height, not even a scratch or something thanks to the bumper that came in.
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Oh I feel ya @Sasquatch8600 (the app's not letting me quote). I've been with Verizon for 13 years...I just don't think I'll ever get another phone tied to them, or any carrier for that matter. Verizon keeps those phones super locked up and their update history isn't very stellar.

My wife dropped mine about 3 feet while on a cruise last week and my i-blaison case protected it. It hit a metal strip on the edge of a step.
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Mine dropped from about 8 feet, with the included bumper, hitting stuff on the way down. Not a scratch on it. I was very surprised. And lucky, I know. Like someone stated earlier, it's really how it falls/lands.
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My eldest knocked mine out of my hand this afternoon, 3ft drop onto a wooden floor, landed corner first.
Case did its job, not a mark on it.
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MOTO SUCKS BECAUSE I DROPPED MY PHONE WITHOUT A CASE ON IT AND IT BROKE! :crying::crying::crying:
MOTO CARE SUCKS BECAUSE THEY ARENT BENDING OVER BACKWARDS TO SELL INSURANCE TO A BROKEN DEVICE! :crying::crying::crying:
I have dropped my MXPE everyday for a month from varying heights including a second story balcony to a cement floor.. Want to know my secret??
A FRICKING CASE YOU IDIOT.
Cry me a frickin river for your first world problems.

Huawei did drop use of Gorilla Glass on the Honor View 10

I've been reading all the reviews of the Honor View 10 that I can find and, unfortunately, all reviewers are indicating that Huawei has not used Gorilla Glass on it's most expensive Honor model. This doesn't make sense and is a very big CON against buying the phone for me. So far, most reviewers aren't saying anything nice about low light photography. Looks like the Leica lenses on the Mate 10 Pro may boost that phone's good low light camera performance, not NPU.

no, it does not have it,Honor has its own scratch-resistant glass.
Honor View 10 comes with mounted on a plastic film

letschky said:
no, it does not have it,Honor has its own scratch-resistant glass.
Honor View 10 comes with mounted on a plastic film
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Has Huawei started using Soda Lime glass with the Honor View 10 and 7X? Comparing Huawei Honor specs on recent Honor phones (8, 9, 7, 6x, 5) the company specified that Gorilla Glass was used. https://www.gsmarena.com/huawei-phones-58.php
My understanding is that Gorilla Glass, also known as AAS glass, is more porous and that its hardening process goes deeper, making it more resistent to scratches. This is a step backwards in build quality, IMHO.

Well, this is disappointing news. I know some sacrifices have to be made for the price point but this shouldn't have been one to the extent of no Gorilla Glass. They could have used an older version.

I read in Gsm arena Page the 7x use Gorilla Glass older Version.

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I've been reading all the reviews of the Honor View 10 that I can find and, unfortunately, all reviewers are indicating that Huawei has not used Gorilla Glass on it's most expensive Honor model. This doesn't make sense and is a very big CON against buying the phone for me. So far, most reviewers aren't saying anything nice about low light photography. Looks like the Leica lenses on the Mate 10 Pro may boost that phone's good low light camera performance, not NPU.
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Has Huawei started using Soda Lime glass with the Honor View 10 and 7X? Comparing Huawei Honor specs on recent Honor phones (8, 9, 7, 6x, 5) the company specified that Gorilla Glass was used. https://www.gsmarena.com/huawei-phones-58.php
My understanding is that Gorilla Glass, also known as AAS glass, is more porous and that its hardening process goes deeper, making it more resistent to scratches. This is a step backwards in build quality, IMHO.
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Well, this is disappointing news. I know some sacrifices have to be made for the price point but this shouldn't have been one to the extent of no Gorilla Glass. They could have used an older version.
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I read in Gsm arena Page the 7x use Gorilla Glass older Version.
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will this help?

sbetatester said:
will this help?
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whether it is good or not, nobody knows

letschky said:
whether it is good or not, nobody knows
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You'll soon find out...because my phones drops a lot.

sbetatester said:
You'll soon find out...because my phones drops a lot.
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my phones rarely fall and it's a plastic wrap on it,besides, I am very careful,but something can always happen

What's it use? Nvr heard of it? But since they did many thing like drift on 7x it supposed to good as it

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I read in Gsm arena Page the 7x use Gorilla Glass older Version.
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I'm not so certain the 7x uses Gorilla Glass, there's no mention of it as a feature on Amazon's US website and one of the phone feature sites I was looking at only rated the screen's hardness at Mohns 4--Gorilla Glass is rated at 6.5.

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The response Huawei provided doesn't give any indication of protection without a Mohns or Vicks hardness rating. There are many companies marketing glass for screens based on aluminosilicate glass (Gorilla Glass is aluminosilicate glass). The real issue is chemical composition since they all must vary to avoid patent infringement.

I do not care so much I watch my cell phones and use a foil

Well, correct me if I am wrong!
Gorilla Glass is the "trademark" name given by Corning company. Same like people mistakenly use Xerox for Photocopy. isn't it?
Hence, it's useless to argue if Honor is using Gorilla or any other trademarked glass. What matters is the screen type.
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As per this post, Honor is using Alluminocsilicate glass which indeed what Gorilla Glass is made up of. So I guess this helps!

adwaitk007 said:
Well, correct me if I am wrong!
Gorilla Glass is the "trademark" name given by Corning company. Same like people mistakenly use Xerox for Photocopy. isn't it?
Hence, it's useless to argue if Honor is using Gorilla or any other trademarked glass. What matters is the screen type.
As per this post, Honor is using Alluminocsilicate glass which indeed what Gorilla Glass is made up of. So I guess this helps!
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Yes that's completely right.
Both GG and asahi (jap brand) are using the same type of glass.. There should be barely, if at all, any difference between the two in terms of hardness (scratch resistance)..
Here's some more info (thread is from 2016 but should still be relevant).
http://en.miui.com/thread-274087-1-1.html
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When I reach to honor support, they have responded me with below information. But i never understand what it is. May be someone can
It has The AI2O3 content of alkali aluminosilicate glasses is typically 10-25% and the alkali content over 10%. The high alkali content prepares the glass for ion exchange with bigger alkali ions in order to improve the surface compressive strengt
Its act as a gauge glass due to high operating temperature and good thermal shock properties. For these reasons it can operate at temperature levels above those of borosilicate
According to the Cosmetic Database, Magnesium Aluminum Silicate is approved by the CIR Expert Panel, but only in limited concentrations. The CIR's concern stems from the known risk of any ingredient that contains aluminum compounds, which are known neurotoxins.

Targaeryan said:
Yes that's completely right.
Both GG and asahi (jap brand) are using the same type of glass.. There should be barely, if at all, any difference between the two in terms of hardness (scratch resistance)..
Here's some more info (thread is from 2016 but should still be relevant).
http://en.miui.com/thread-274087-1-1.html
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Well, now I see why they are silent about the screen. There's a huge difference in the manufacturing process employed by Corning for Gorilla Glass and Asahai for its Dragontail Glass and Corning's process makes Gorilla Glass more than scratch resistant but improves drop performance, too, acheiving a higher Vicks hardness rating than Asahai's Dragonglass. Corning uses an ion exchange method; Ashai uses a float method. http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-gorilla-glass-and-dragontrail-glass

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Well, now I see why they are silent about the screen. There's a huge difference in the manufacturing process employed by Corning for Gorilla Glass and Asahai for its Dragontail Glass and Corning's process makes Gorilla Glass more than scratch resistant but improves drop performance, too, acheiving a higher Vicks hardness rating than Asahai's Dragonglass. Corning uses an ion exchange method; Ashai uses a float method. http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-gorilla-glass-and-dragontrail-glass
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It'd be easier to see the difference if someone like Zack (jerryrigeverthing) takes a go at it..
I've seen posts where they talk about the hardness in mohs scale where both gg and dt are between 6-7.. In JRE vids, most phones with GG start to scratch at 6 and have deeper scratches at 7 using his mohs pick..
I'm not sure what sources they've used to get the hardness in mohs though so I didn't link those posts..
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Targaeryan said:
It'd be easier to see the difference if someone like Zack (jerryrigeverthing) takes a go at it..
I've seen posts where they talk about the hardness in mohs scale where both gg and dt are between 6-7.. In JRE vids, most phones with GG start to scratch at 6 and have deeper scratches at 7 using his mohs pick..
I'm not sure what sources they've used to get the hardness in mohs though so I didn't link those posts..
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Mohs was developed in the 19th century and can only be used to test minerals because it relies on using minerals known to be stronger to scratch a weaker one; Mohs can't be used for metals. https://www.gordonengland.co.uk/hardness/mohs.htm In a Vicks or "Vickers" test, a diamond (pyramid-shaped) mounted in a block is pressed in to the object being tested at 1-100 kgf for 10-15 seconds. https://www.gordonengland.co.uk/hardness/vickers.htm The Vicks test is preferred by many materials engineers.

I think it does well: https://youtu.be/W3yGYkz9iyI
I never plan on abusing it like that, but in case you're wondering it's quite tough!

Whitestone dome. 2 thumbs down.

Honestly I don't care if you have a dome and it's the best ever. This is my experience with the dome. Sum it up. Low quality trash. Brand New sealed ordered from Whitestone out of the box it had a pretty deep scrach in it. And for how much junk Zagg is at least there product does not come out of the box scrached. Attached is an image under magnification.
Check out the glass before you install and before you remove your current protector. You are not buying quality here. I had high expectations for this but after this I'll just go back to brands that preform simple steps in quality control.
Lots of people are pleased. I for one say a scratch out of the box of a new product at this price point is 100% un acceptable. And this is the only brand that I seen this in. In my experience this is the lowest quality glass out for the note 9. Yeah Zagg has some poor design choices like edge adhesive and on the elite the black borders. But the glass is flawless and clear. Unlike this Whitestone.
If you can't spot a scratch that deep I now question the quality of the optical adhesive they use. I work in the optoelectronics industry. I use optical adhesive pretty often so I'm going to check out the other tube and see how it stacks up against the stuff I use.
Full review will cover the unboxing, install as well as that moment that I discover that scrach with my reaction lol. Also high res images of the scratch along with precise mesurements of it. And why I have it at work I'll be going more into the glass using some of the equipment we have here.
If the dome you got is flawless that's great. I'm happy for you. However that's not my experience with this product. my review is a sample size of 1. There are way they could of protected the glass like other manufacturer's do but they cut that corner and lowered product quality to keep cost down. After all the reviews I bought with confidence and received a damaged product. I have contacted Whitestone about this but I will say that Zagg offered to send out a elite free to replace the one I took off and said that I should not be punished for buying into the hype and the note 9 deserves a quality product to protect the best display on a smartphone. That says alot about Zagg by eliminating the shipping. We will see how Whitestone handles this. If they send out a replacement that is a representation of what others have prazed I would be more then happy. But I think they are going to try and play the pay to ship that back, then pay for shipping on another product so we can ring even more money out of you. But sorry guys. You burned me one time. You won't burn me again.
Again. I haven't seen anyone else with this issue. As far as I know this is a single case. There may be more who knows but I'll be 100% honest in this. The picture was taken under magnification to show it's not just a scratch in the oleophobic coating. From a picture you can't feel the scratch catch your finger nail when you rub it. If Whitestone decides to take care of this issue I will update this post with how they handled it and there response. Until then for all those who are ocd about there displays. This is what a scratch looks like.
Update
Whitestone is in communication on how to make this right. I have discovered another issue. This is with the oleophobic coating. One spot has some heat damage. I sent them this picture to see how this could happen in there process.
Working in the optoelectronics industry for years. I look forward to offering them some input on how to keep things like these from hurting there brand to new potential customers. First product from them and as of right now the last. I pay for the premium product I demand a premium product. I will keep this update with there solution on this matter and what they think can cause the issues.
The scratch I believe was cased when after inspection when placed in the bag. The bag is not optics quality and being so is may contain debris. Example out air cans we use are not normal dust cans. They are filtered to sub micron purity. There's quality and then optical quality. When placed in the bag the scratch was formed. Protective film would ensure that never happens or optical quality bags. Corner was cut and the product suffered. That's a fact. As for the oleophobic coating. I would need more info on there production line. I have a theory of what could cause that. I have seen similar issues with microscope optical coatings on production equipment.
So far they have replied quickly and seem eager to make things right and assure me that the product meets there quality standards.
I think when finished I will have the most in depth review of this. Since I had to take it to work for pictures I was able to test the included adhesive, cure light optical power and make exact cure times required for a full proper cure. Mesure the thickness of the adhesive layer under the glass and other stuff. It's probably going to be about a 30-45min video I will post on YouTube. If interested I am willing to do the same for other protectors if there is interest. Since most reviews are just stick it on and it fits so it must be the best. We can dive into things a bit more and actually look at the product.
Update.
Told to use the warranty form online. Pictures were sent to there hq in Korea. They made a coupon code that will wave the shipping. Excellent support.

User error.

bignazpwns said:
Honestly I don't care if you have a dome and it's the best ever. This is my experience with the dome. Sum it up. Low quality trash. Brand New sealed ordered from Whitestone out of the box it had a pretty deep scrach in it. And for how much junk Zagg is at least there product does not come out of the box scrached.
Check out the glass before you install and before you remove your current protector. You are not buying quality here. I had high expectations for this but after this I'll just go back to brands that preform simple steps in quality control.
Lots of people are pleased. I for one say a scratch out of the box of a new product at this price point is 100% un acceptable. And this is the only brand that I seen this in. In my experience this is the lowest quality glass out for the note 9. Yeah Zagg has some poor design choices like edge adhesive and on the elite the black borders. But the glass is flawless and clear. Unlike this Whitestone.
If you can't spot a scratch that deep I now question the quality of the optical adhesive they use. I work in the optoelectronics industry. I use optical adhesive pretty often so I'm going to check out the other tube and see how it stacks up against the stuff I use.
Full review will cover the unboxing, install as well as that moment that I discover that scrach with my reaction lol. Also high res images of the scratch along with precise mesurements of it. And why I have it at work I'll be going more into the glass using some of the equipment we have here.
If the dome you got is flawless that's great. I'm happy for you. However that's not my experience with this product. my review is a sample size of 1. There are way they could of protected the glass like other manufacturer's do but they cut that corner and lowered product quality to keep cost down. After all the reviews I bought with confidence and received a damaged product. I have contacted Whitestone about this but I will say that Zagg offered to send out a elite free to replace the one I took off and said that I should not be punished for buying into the hype and the note 9 deserves a quality product to protect the best display on a smartphone. That says alot about Zagg by eliminating the shipping. We will see how Whitestone handles this. If they send out a replacement that is a representation of what others have prazed I would be more then happy. But I think they are going to try and play the pay to ship that back, then pay for shipping on another product so we can ring even more money out of you. But sorry guys. You burned me one time. You won't burn me again.
Again. I haven't seen anyone else with this issue. As far as I know this is a single case. There may be more who knows but I'll be 100% honest in this. The picture was taken under magnification to show it's not just a scratch in the oleophobic coating. From a picture you can't feel the scratch catch your finger nail when you rub it. If Whitestone decides to take care of this issue I will update this post with how they handled it and there response. Until then for all those who are ocd about there displays. This is what a scratch looks like.
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Mine was scratched pretty deeply as well out of the box. I just don't feel like going through the installation process again, so I guess I'll just keep it as long as I can without it driving me crazy.
I advise everyone to inspect the glass of the protector before installing.
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BigMosely said:
User error.
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User error because there was a scratch?? You sound like a troll.

BigMosely said:
User error.
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I'm sorry to hear that. It's not hard to put on. Maybe next time you would take your time and you won't have user error.
Update they messaged me me back seeing how we can fix this. I told them what I think caused this on there end but I have another issue and asked them about there quality control. Needed info as if I tell my subs to buy something it's of quality. No excuses for this.
I'm not mad about the scratch. Gave me content and for the first time ever the dome is getting looked at. And if we cannot get crazy I can fire up the Scanning electron microscope and we can dive into it lol.
Just for reference. Was your scratch 1/4 inch under the bixby button and to the right 1/4 inch going vertically?

bignazpwns said:
I'm sorry to hear that. It's not hard to put on. Maybe next time you would take your time and you won't have user error.
Update they messaged me me back seeing how we can fix this. I told them what I think caused this on there end but I have another issue and asked them about there quality control. Needed info as if I tell my subs to buy something it's of quality. No excuses for this.
I'm not mad about the scratch. Gave me content and for the first time ever the dome is getting looked at. And if we cannot get crazy I can fire up the Scanning electron microscope and we can dive into it lol.
Just for reference. Was your scratch 1/4 inch under the bixby button and to the right 1/4 inch going vertically?
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Scan the note 9 screen with the electron microscope. Would like to see pics .
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Limeybastard said:
Scan the note 9 screen with the electron microscope. Would like to see pics .
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People are using our Scanning electron right now but here are some high magnification images from out just microscope.

bignazpwns said:
People are using our Scanning electron right now but here are some high magnification images from out just microscope.
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That's amazing. Any chance in showing some glass defects?
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People are using our Scanning electron right now but here are some high magnification images from out just microscope.
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One more

Limeybastard said:
That's amazing. Any chance in showing some glass defects?
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What kind of defects do you wanna see?

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What kind of defects do you wanna see?
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Factory ones. Ones that the eye cannot see. Perhaps in the glass areas and also th frame . Especially the area where the glass meets the frame , the so called gap.
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Limeybastard said:
Factory ones. Ones that the eye cannot see. Perhaps in the glass areas and also th frame . Especially the area where the glass meets the frame , the so called gap.
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Yeah I'll get see I day or two and I'll start a thread for it.

My experience from the Dome Glass... I ordered the 2 Pack from Amazon, I got the package a little bit wet from the LOCA glue. I successfully installed the glass on my N9, but it had a small scratch on it that I noticed after I turned on the UV light to dry the glue. After about one week little cracks appeared in the glue I contact Amazon and they replaced it (had to sent it back). Now I have the new one on my screen for 3 weeks and everything is good. I hope it will stay that way.
When it works it's the best screen protector I have ever had (and I had them all).

liamR said:
My experience from the Dome Glass... I ordered the 2 Pack from Amazon, I got the package a little bit wet from the LOCA glue. I successfully installed the glass on my N9, but it had a small scratch on it that I noticed after I turned on the UV light to dry the glue. After about one week little cracks appeared in the glue I contact Amazon and they replaced it (had to sent it back). Now I have the new one on my screen for 3 weeks and everything is good. I hope it will stay that way.
When it works it's the best screen protector I have ever had (and I had them all).
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There support was fast. From what I seen I rate this a 3 on a scale to 5. The oleophobic coating is absolutely trash. But we'll see how it is on the replacement since I know there is a defect in this units coating. I'll give my final opinion on it when the replacement comes in and will compare the quality of the glass and coating to some other brands.

Poco F1 Gorilla Glass Version

So, today I spoke to Xiaomi customer care and asked them what version of Gorilla Glass does Poco F1 have.
To my surprise, they said the device comes with Corning Gorilla Glass 5. I asked them repeatedly if it's GG3 or GG5 and the rep kept saying it's GG5
I am not sure if he was bluffing or if the device really comes with GG5
Even on Corning official website, they didn't mention anything about the version of GG used on Poco F1

Maybe someone can ask them if there is anyway to display from the USB port WITH A CABLE (not wireless) to an external monitor/TV?
What is the USB spec?
I think it's just USB 2.0 data & charging with a Type-C Jack.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/poco-f1/help/poco-f1-mhl-hdmi-t3842287

At its price range, 3rd version is more reasonable

Rowdyy Ronnie said:
So, today I spoke to Xiaomi customer care and asked them what version of Gorilla Glass does Poco F1 have.
To my surprise, they said the device comes with Corning Gorilla Glass 5. I asked them repeatedly if it's GG3 or GG5 and the rep kept saying it's GG5
I am not sure if he was bluffing or if the device really comes with GG5
Even on Corning official website, they didn't mention anything about the version of GG used on Poco F1
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Interesting but I think that's a lie

Whiskeym said:
Interesting but I think that's a lie
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Even I am confused. And even Corning didn't mention the version GG that was used on Poco F1. But on other devices, they mentioned it.
Link: https://www.corning.com/gorillaglass/in/en/smartphones-with-gorilla/xiaomi/poco-f1.html
Anyway, I have sent an email to Corning. Let see if they responded back.

Update: Okay so I got a response from Corning and this is what they have to say.
Now this seems to be highly suspicious to me. Why doesn't Xiaomi want to release the version of GG used on this device. I got a call from customer support team yesterday apologizing for giving me incorrect information. Poco F1 doesn't have GG5. But the guy who called me couldn't tell me what version does the device have. He said he only knows it has 2.5D GG. Anyway, I will now tweet Xiaomi India CEO with this screenshot. It's our right to know what we are using.

Rowdyy Ronnie said:
Update: Okay so I got a response from Corning and this is what they have to say.
Now this seems to be highly suspicious to me. Why doesn't Xiaomi want to release the version of GG used on this device. I got a call from customer support team yesterday apologizing for giving me incorrect information. Poco F1 doesn't have GG5. But the guy who called me couldn't tell me what version does the device have. He said he only knows it has 2.5D GG. Anyway, I will now tweet Xiaomi India CEO with this screenshot. It's our right to know what we are using.
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I think it's GG1 or GG2

Its GG 3

Rowdyy Ronnie said:
Update: Okay so I got a response from Corning and this is what they have to say.
Now this seems to be highly suspicious to me. Why doesn't Xiaomi want to release the version of GG used on this device. I got a call from customer support team yesterday apologizing for giving me incorrect information. Poco F1 doesn't have GG5. But the guy who called me couldn't tell me what version does the device have. He said he only knows it has 2.5D GG. Anyway, I will now tweet Xiaomi India CEO with this screenshot. It's our right to know what we are using.
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Wow. Anyway its great that you got in touch with them. If you get any response from xiaomi, please keep this forum updated. Thank you.

niteone said:
Its GG 3
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I don't think it's GG3 as I have used GG3 on MI A1 and Nokia 7 plus without any screen protector and didn't get a single scratch. But on Poco F1, I already got 2 scratches. Not only me, but a lot of people have reported that the glass on Poco F1 is very scratch prone. I know I can avoid the scratches by using a tempered glass. But I don't like using another layer of plastic sheet on the screen that affects the touch response and reduce the vividity of the screen.

It's most likely a version 3 or newer. It also might vary depending on whether it is made in India/China.
Why is it so important for you to know what version it is anyway?
If you're worried about scratches just take more care of your device or use a screen protector.

SJshah said:
It's most likely a version 3 or newer. It also might vary depending on whether it is made in India/China.
Why is it so important for you to know what version it is anyway?
If you're worried about scratches just take more care of your device or use a screen protector.
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Agreed and this thread is completely pointless imo
Gorilla glass or not...it wont avoid any scratches, a little sandgrain in your pocket and its done

Maybe marketing reasons.
You hope to have GG5 installed over GG3, but ask yourself, what's the difference? Is it really more scratchproof? I guess not, just look at scratch tests online of different phones.
Gorilla Glass is a trademark and a selling argument, therefore phone manufacturer most likely have to pay money to promote their products with latest GG5, instead of simply GG.

jody2k said:
Agreed and this thread is completely pointless imo
Gorilla glass or not...it wont avoid any scratches, a little sandgrain in your pocket and its done
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What are you even doing here if you find this post "Completely pointless"?
You should be ignoring it rather than wasting your time on commenting. And F.Y.I, I think I know what can be posted and what not. If you got any problem (which you shouldn't since I didn't violate any XDA policy), report it to the mod rather than being sarcastic. Do you guys always have to intervene everywhere to divert a simple conversation into a hot argument? When you do something, that's fair. And when others do it, it's pointless and stupid?
Thank you!

SJshah said:
It's most likely a version 3 or newer. It also might vary depending on whether it is made in India/China.
Why is it so important for you to know what version it is anyway?
If you're worried about scratches just take more care of your device or use a screen protector.
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It is important for me to know because I feel so. It's not about being worried, it's about having complete information about the device that I am using. I paid for the device and I have full right to have my doubt cleared. Is there a problem if I want to clarify or create a thread on XDA asking others about their opinion?? If YES, then would you mind guiding me to the XDA section where it is written so?
Thank You!!

Hey brother relax, would be nice to know anyway. But i believe the only differenc between 3th and 5th gen of GG is the resistance against cracks isn't it? Like drop and impacts.
Btw our poco is pretty unresistent against random drops, you can check it from youtube tests

fabricio7p said:
Hey brother relax, would be nice to know anyway. But i believe the only differenc between 3th and 5th gen of GG is the resistance against cracks isn't it? Like drop and impacts.
Btw our poco is pretty unresistent against random drops, you can check it from youtube tests
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True! Thats what I an saying. I have used GG3 on Mi A1 and Nokia 7 plus and J know how good it is. But the glass on Poco F1 is not that good. I already got a scratch, I don’t know how and from where. J don't remember dropping it or placing it with something else. My other device Nokia 7 pmus manages not to get scratched in the last 3 months.

Yeah that sucks, my gf poco already got microscratches too and she and it has been barely a month she bought it

Rowdyy Ronnie said:
It is important for me to know because I feel so. It's not about being worried, it's about having complete information about the device that I am using. I paid for the device and I have full right to have my doubt cleared. Is there a problem if I want to clarify or create a thread on XDA asking others about their opinion?? If YES, then would you mind guiding me to the XDA section where it is written so?
Thank You!!
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Didn't intend to offend you.
I just dont understand how it makes any difference knowing the answer.
It's a glass screen. It will scratch. Just take better care of it. :good:

Scratch happen due to tiny dust particles not because of key or knife which youtuber shows because iron and other metals have hardness lower than Gorilla Glass which is 6 but dust particles has hardness of 9 so they will easily scratch any kind of Gorilla Glass whether it's GG6 or GG3. Only sapphire glass has hardness equal to dust particles that is 9. That's why they are used in expensive watches but it is too expensive even apple doesn't use it except on camera lenses. For proof you can watch "Jerry rig everything's" video on poco f1 where he scratches its screen with different grades of hardened materials it gets scratched on level 6 like every other smartphone (even note 9, Apple 10s also gets scratched on level 6). The one who has greater hardness than other will scratch it. Hardness is measured on scale of 1 to 9 where 9 is the hardest material on earth which is Dimond. This is why Dimond is very difficult to cut but it can cut everything. Iron has greater hardness than wood that's why it is able to cut it.
So if there's any dust particle on your screen and you just slides your fingers on it or just rubs your screen against anything like in pocket then it's done. They are so tiny that you can't even notice them. They are everywhere in your pocket, on your fingers everywhere.
The deference between GG3 and GG6 is of only thickness. GG3 is two times thicker than GG6. You can experience this by looking at your screen, you will notice that screen is not touching the glass and there is slight gap between glass and screen because glass has some thickness but if you have ever used GG6 glass phone then you will feel like you are just touching and typing on the screen itself (which feels amazing, like in Samsung Galaxy s9 or note 9) there is no difference between screen and glass, It's that thin but also having same hardness and strength as GG3.
If you hate tempered glass like me but also don't want scratches at the same time then you can use film like screen guards. They don't add any thickness plus doesn't reduce any touch response and don't get bubbles on edges. They are also very clear, you will forget that you have any kind of screen guard on. Here is the link of clear screen guard that I'm using its one of the best film type screen guard available bit expensive but worth it. You can search on youtube "ringke dual easy" to learn how to apply it cause it has four layer and bit tricky. It is self dust removing type of screen guard. If you get bubbles after applying it then don't worry they will vanish after 2 or 3 days. Trust me I'm not promoting anything I'm using this product. There are two screen guard in ane pack. Hope i helped you.
https://www.amazon.in/gp/aw/d/B07JGZR4NH?psc=1&ref=yo_pop_mb_yo_pop_mb_pd_t2