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(Calling The Whole Community) - Creation of The Ultimate Rom - (The Community Rom)

Hey Plz read this a creation of a community rom you should be thinking what well:
I am thinking of the creation of the rom called "The Ultimate Rom" for G1/MT3G and hope it also moves onto newer phones as you can see the G1/MT3G is starting to fade as the newer phones begin to be born and because of this I believe we should make a community rom where not only the devs can join in but the community weather it be graphics to sounds I believe we all should be able to join in so I would like to get some help on making it come true I believe there should be a rom we as the community should be happy for that we all chipped in and made something truly amazing ^^
PS: And mods plz don't delete this for being in the Dev section I believe it is about Devs and I would like you to be part of this rom as well ^^
Hoping to start 4th of july so getting everyone ready to put stuff in or ready for it to start ^^
0o ill list down every single person no matter how big this gets up till july 4th and after july 4th and even testing is fine ^^
If it works or not at least we would had tried and at least even if we do fail we have gained knowledge, experience and had fun
A POLL WILL BE MADE TOMORROW SO THE COMMUNITY CAN CHOOSE WHAT THEY WANT ^^ AND ANY OTHER NEW ADDED STUFF THERE WILL BE A LIST TO ADD TO ^^

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xillius200 said:
Hey Plz read this a creation of a community rom you should be thinking what well:
I am thinking of the creation of the rom called "The Ultimate Rom" for G1/MT3G and hope it also moves onto newer phones as you can see the G1/MT3G is starting to fade as the newer phones begin to be born and because of this I believe we should make a community rom where not only the devs can join in but the community weather it be graphics to sounds I believe we all should be able to join in so I would like to get some help on making it come true I believe there should be a rom we as the community should be happy for that we all chipped in and made something truly amazing ^^
PS: And mods plz don't delete this for being in the Dev section I believe it is about Devs and I would like you to be part of this rom as well ^^
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OMG #FAIL haha j/k LOL, count me in of course

kingklick said:
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lol dude don't be a jerk i've had my fame with speedteam and zachattacks and xillius rom lol I think the community should get there chance ^^ and we need it while we can won't be long till g1/mt3g is gone we should make something to rememberer

xillius200 said:
lol dude don't be a jerk i've had my fame with speedteam and zachattacks and xillius rom lol I think the community should get there chance ^^ and we need it while we can won't be long till g1/mt3g is gone we should make something to rememberer
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It's funny how he always comes back to G1/Mytouch Forums Update his roms with already released things, renames them and then asks for money for a mytouch slide... He is using the community to get him new phones... Anyway back on subject
Got like 4 people now 5 almost

XxKOLOHExX said:
It's funny how he always comes back to G1/Mytouch Forums Update his roms with already released things, renames them and then asks for money for a mytouch slide... He is using the community to get him new phones... Anyway back on subject
Got like 4 people now 5 almost
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yep lol hopefully as much as possible ^^

XxKOLOHExX said:
It's funny how he always comes back to G1/Mytouch Forums Update his roms with already released things, renames them and then asks for money for a mytouch slide... He is using the community to get him new phones...
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(giggles)
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I can't help..but I'll test anything that pops off

Please. We've been down this road before. When the glory and satisfaction of solo or small team ROMs isn't in play, development suffers. We need creative individuals pushing the limits to advance the scene, and unless they have their name on the ROM, things will slow down. This goes for life (free enterprise vs. socialism) and ROM dev.
Also, keep in mind, all the ROMs are community! There are thousands of man-hours of work already in every aspect of Android. The ROMs we see build on all that. This is a solution in search of a problem.

ytj87 said:
Please. We've been down this road before. When the glory and satisfaction of solo or small team ROMs isn't in play, development suffers. We need creative individuals pushing the limits to advance the scene, and unless they have their name on the ROM, things will slow down. This goes for life (free enterprise vs. socialism) and ROM dev.
Also, keep in mind, all the ROMs are community! There are thousands of man-hours of work already in every aspect of Android. The ROMs we see build on all that. This is a solution in search of a problem.
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lol I have created over 7 successful roms some in a small team others in a big team lol and it worked out xD and I would disagree check I left a bit ago about a month if that lol and no everyone should get a chance not just one person thats just selfish also I think if one big rom is made we can keep some G1/MT3G users for longer lol we need something new and exciting can't you see that ^^ well whatever you say I will try and continue this IDK if it will work or not THE THING IS EVERYONE WOULD HAVE FUN TRYING ^^

If you are serious about this, I think it's a dumb idea. The best thing about having a rooted Android phone is that you can choose whatever ROM suits you.
Personally, I want a fast Donut ROM. I don't care for all the extra bells and whistles in SuperD/CM4/etc and I don't have any interest in running an Eclair ROM as I don't think they perform well enough on our phones. Given the popularity of OpenEclair/SuperE/CM5, there are obviously other people who feel differently and I expect a vast number of people here wouldn't switch back to Donut if you paid them.
There will never be "The Ultimate ROM" because everyone's needs and wants are different. Just let devs make what they will and let users choose what they want.

i have very little experience in the overall creation of the rom, however i am very willing to learn more and would jump at the opportunity to be of any help, if someone was willing to show me a little bit of how this all works i am positive i can be of great help.

To me I could care less about credit.... I rather help where I can then be selfish... Knowledge isn't a competition, it is a struggle as a group I would love to learn what I don't and Help others where I can Ego is the one thing that could destroy this project ...

SpeedTeam is there whenever you need us....Right K =)

Super Jamie said:
If you are serious about this, I think it's a dumb idea. The best thing about having a rooted Android phone is that you can choose whatever ROM suits you.
Personally, I want a fast Donut ROM. I don't care for all the extra bells and whistles in SuperD/CM4/etc and I don't have any interest in running an Eclair ROM as I don't think they perform well enough on our phones. Given the popularity of OpenEclair/SuperE/CM5, there are obviously other people who feel differently and I expect a vast number of people here wouldn't switch back to Donut if you paid them.
There will never be "The Ultimate ROM" because everyone's needs and wants are different. Just let devs make what they will and let users choose what they want.
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with code much is possible you can change your rom by the tick of a button or tap of a button wysie has shown us this and cyan making a rom possible to suite most of course not all people by some options and extra features of choice can be done ^^

christiansantana51 said:
SpeedTeam is there whenever you need us....Right K =)
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Agreed LMFAO but isn't he in SpeedTeam lmfao **SPEEDTEAM FORCES ACTIVATE!*** LMFAO!

XxKOLOHExX said:
To me I could care less about credit.... I rather help where I can then be selfish... Knowledge isn't a competition, it is a struggle as a group I would love to learn what I don't and Help others where I can Ego is the one thing that could destroy this project ...
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and what K said is exactly right also android was opensource as a group project so are you saying that because android was a group project it was a fail I think not

xillius200 said:
Hey Plz read this a creation of a community rom you should be thinking what well:
I am thinking of the creation of the rom called "The Ultimate Rom" for G1/MT3G and hope it also moves onto newer phones as you can see the G1/MT3G is starting to fade as the newer phones begin to be born and because of this I believe we should make a community rom where not only the devs can join in but the community weather it be graphics to sounds I believe we all should be able to join in so I would like to get some help on making it come true I believe there should be a rom we as the community should be happy for that we all chipped in and made something truly amazing ^^
PS: And mods plz don't delete this for being in the Dev section I believe it is about Devs and I would like you to be part of this rom as well ^^
Hoping to start 4th of july so getting everyone ready to put stuff in or ready for it to start ^^
0o ill list down every single person no matter how big this gets up till july 4th and after july 4th and even testing is fine ^^
If it works or not at least we would had tried and at least even if we do fail we have gained knowledge, experience and had fun
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I swear, when I read this, it sounded like you died from lack of oxygen at the end. Please, for the sake of readers, could you use punctuation? Throw a few commas and periods in there.
As for the idea, I would flash a beta version or two, but I can't see this working out as well as some might hope. There will always be disagreements. Some people want 2.1, others, 1.6. Some like SenseUI, and others don't. Words like "perfect" and "ultimate" are very subjective to whoever reads them.
Good idea, probably very hard to execute. Good luck.

NViouz said:
I swear, when I read this, it sounded like you died from lack of oxygen at the end. Please, for the sake of readers, could you use punctuation? Throw a few commas and periods in there.
As for the idea, I would flash a beta version or two, but I can't see this working out as well as some might hope. There will always be disagreements. Some people want 2.1, others, 1.6. Some like SenseUI, and others don't. Words like "perfect" and "ultimate" are very subjective to whoever reads them.
Good idea, probably very hard to execute. Good luck.
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lol thanks dude ^^ hopefully there must someway to make a script for downgrade and upgrade without losing data etc. I wish it is possible lol well something good may come of this rom ^^

I'd be willing to help out aesthetically.

Sorry...but NONE of the current rom devs have a clue!

I don't care what kind of flaming I get from this blah blah blah, yada yada yada

Ummmm.......team eos is Roach2010 (plus some others)
Strange person
Is the droid in your avatar breakdancing or did he trip up and land on his head??

scottyf79 said:
Ummmm.......team eos is Roach2010 (plus some others)
Strange person
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I'm not strange, I am sick and tired of wiping and installing some wanna be rom and have my tf101 reboot every single time the Wireless tries to startup. Testing is key when releasing something you hope others will use...and that is just not being done.
TeamEOS is not Roach2010...he only just starting developing with them. Until I seem a full on, tested, release from them with his Stamp of Approval. I won't believe it.
All the others are amateurs, noobs, and don't bother testing on every model or documenting the fact that they only tested on model a, model b, or model c.

I tried all of the AOSP roms yesterday and none of them had any issues with wifi. They all had excellent stability. But my TF is B70 sbk 1.

gVibeR said:
All the others are amateurs, noobs, and don't bother testing on every model or documenting the fact that they only tested on model a, model b, or model c.
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Develop your own then, or quit complaining. You flash these at your own risk, even a thoroughly tested ROM can brick your particular device..also, how do you think the devs TEST these on every device type? They release it here so WE can HELP by reporting bugs back to them and then they FIX them. ICS has been out for barely a month, and the STOCK ICS is full of bugs as it is, why do you expect devs who do it on their own time to be any better than Asus is when they are a corporation?? Wow that was a disrespectful post...

horndroid said:
I tried all of the AOSP roms yesterday and none of them had any issues with wifi. They all had excellent stability. But my TF is B70 sbk 1.
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Thats super great and I am very happy for you. That doesn't help me. I have a B60, and none of them work on it. My main complaint is that none of the devs bother to report which models their rom is tested on.
They are such noobs that they just compile and release and claim the blanket "oh we are not responsible for .... " crap. When they are responsible when they don't document which models they have tested on. They are responsible when they don't give all possible information to people so they can make educated decisions.
This I am not responsible crap is just a way of saying I may or may not be a ****ty developer, and if you find out I suck...its not my problem.
Its no wonder so many people flock to XDA and other site and beg for donations...because they could never make it in the real world as a developer where making quality software was how they eat and pay bills.
I think XDA should vet any developer before just letting them on the forums to release whatever. Sorry, but with all the phone/tablets out there...the room for crappy devs is just growing. Now is the time to start qualifying people.
Anyway...who cares right. "Oh mine works" sorry yours doesn't!

So you expect all of the devs to have every available hardware versions of TF101? That's ridiculous. Maybe send them your TF if you want them to test their ROMs on it?
They do this for FREE. If the ROMs don't work for you, too bad. Not sure how you can complain about something that is completely free. No one is forcing you to use the ROMs.

Think this thread is just to create drama.........
If the op had a sensible case to argue then it would be interesting.
Like its been said before - i have a b40 and ive tried them all with no issues - so theres a 40 & 70 tried and tested........maybe porking the micro sd slot isnt doing your tf any favours.
Going to test out the ignore feature again bet it works as well.
Thread needs binned.......its even in the wrong sub section

horndroid said:
So you expect all of the devs to have every available hardware versions of TF101? That's ridiculous. Maybe send them your TF if you want them to test their ROMs on it?
They do this for FREE. If the ROMs don't work for you, too bad. Not sure how you can complain about something that is completely free. No one is forcing you to use the ROMs.
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Exactly. It's just a hobby for most developers, and none force you to use them. Get another tablet if you're seriously going to complain about the developers work you choose to use.

I've tried AOKP, CM9, Revolver, and Android Revolution, and other than flashing non-stock overclock kernels (which don't work with wifi, apparently) I've had no more problems than stock ICS (Sleep of Death, etc etc)
Also, where is OP's magic ROM that works on every version of the TF101, TF101G, and SL101??? I'd love to give it a shot!

gVibeR said:
This I am not responsible crap is just a way of saying I may or may not be a ****ty developer.
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I say again, if it's so easy, why are you even flashing ROMs other people made..make your own and shut up.
gVibeR said:
I think XDA should vet any developer before just letting them on the forums to release whatever. Sorry, but with all the phone/tablets out there...the room for crappy devs is just growing.
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First point, they are called 'recognized developers'. Don't download anything that isn't from a recognized developer..sounds like a failure on your part there..
Second point..crappy devs = every dev when they start. It's called a learning curve. This is where we learn. You want polished software, stick with a stock ROM. They have the money to put into PAYING developers to FIX EVERY SINGLE BUG before they release it, oh, and they also EMPLOY BUG TESTERS..
Get off your soapbox. And close this thread already..you are wrong, and being rude. XDA isn't for you, that's obvious. Stick with stock ROMs and you will be happy (LMAO).

So if youre so much better than all the current rom devs, why dont you cook up a completely bugfree rom, tested on all TF models, in your free time, without getting paid?
If asus themselves, who have the resources and hired coders, cant sort out the random reboot issue, why the hell do you expect a group of enthusiast, who code in their spare time mostly for fun, to magically sort it out?
Get down to earth and get a grip on how coding works before flaming.

i normally wouldn't bother giving such post a thought. but its ridiculous to be complaining about something you are getting for free. these devs put in TIME and EFFORT to make something. SO what if there are bugs here and there. almost every piece of software out there has bugs. even the paid ones. And its certainly not an easy task to test every combination of a software.
Yes it can be frustrating having a ROM give you so many issues. But unless you are going to hire them as your personal programmer dont complain. or maybe give up some of your own time to read through their source code and help find the bugs.
XDA is a forum where people HELP one another. We know what it means to have an OPEN environment. We should be appreciative that there are devs willing to make ROMs for our devices and SHARING it with everyone.
off course your solution is to sell your TF and get an iCrap

gVibeR said:
I don't care what kind of flaming I get from this, but I am just sick and tired of taking a chance on the current list of developers for the TF101 only to find that my pad ends up in a continuous boot loop with constant Wireless module issues.
I think that if you haven't tested your rom on every possible model of transformer that you should note that, and make it very clear that anyone with a model not tested should take caution.
Yes..I am talking to you sportstart89, ricardopvz, teameos, timbit123, and whoever else thinks that by just compiling a rom, adding Superuser is all it takes to make it in this scene.
I have tried all of them on my B60 transformer...and every last one of them has a crashing Wireless with constant reboot loop.
THE ONLY ROM THAT IS STABLE ON MY PAD IS STOCK WITH VIPERMOD ROOT.
I'm done with all you amateurs.
I want my Roach2010 back!!
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Yeah, and we all know how stable YOUR ROM is, huh? Oh wait, you haven't released a ROM, have you??
Hmm, there is a thought- create the 'perfect' ROM yourself if it's so easy!
Unbelievable.... I cannot believe how un-appreciative and immature some of the people are around here!

gVibeR said:
I don't care what kind of flaming I get from this, but I am just sick and tired of taking a chance on the current list of developers for the TF101 only to find that my pad ends up in a continuous boot loop with constant Wireless module issues.
I think that if you haven't tested your rom on every possible model of transformer that you should note that, and make it very clear that anyone with a model not tested should take caution.
Yes..I am talking to you sportstart89, ricardopvz, teameos, timbit123, and whoever else thinks that by just compiling a rom, adding Superuser is all it takes to make it in this scene.
I have tried all of them on my B60 transformer...and every last one of them has a crashing Wireless with constant reboot loop.
THE ONLY ROM THAT IS STABLE ON MY PAD IS STOCK WITH VIPERMOD ROOT.
I'm done with all you amateurs.
I want my Roach2010 back!!
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Hi there I own a B60 and have 3 different roms that will work on it and 1 that has no reboots at all also found an oc kernel that is playing nicely for now.
You can't put issues down to what model you have if the same car is manufactured 5 years in a row not to much is gonna change and base parts can usually be swapped.
I mean I have the same model as you but I may just be able to tweak a rom to work on mine where on yours it has issues or visa versa.
You seem to forget that icys is new and that even completely stock TF101 icys has issues at the moment. I think if anything the devs here are trying to find solutions and actively working quicker than the Asus company themselves also they dont have to go through all the stuff Asus has to to get an update out. Most of the devs here have done great work and have continued to support and develop from honeycomb they could of just left when icys arrived. I mean some are new but a few are not and are well respected.
1st You have a B60 tried a clean NVflash ?
2nd With your wireless are you using the right kernel on the right Rom? Are you doing things correctly?
3rd If its just compile and done do you think cm9 would be making progress?? Do you think modified stock would be as quick or have etc?
4th Kernels are not exactly an easy thing to build or improve on so you cant expect rock solid with everything at the moment its to early!!!!!!
5th Most of these guys have day jobs or university the fact they even do this is huge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think maybe you should calm down have a rethink and suss it out or ask for help or maybe move away from custom and rethink what hardware/software you want to use
Sorry for the long post guys but had to answer such an insulting set of comments
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Hah everyone and their mom taking a shot at the OP because he made it just too easy and irresistible. This could be a very subtle troll.

This is just rude and obnoxious!
This is basically a devoper site. They make it, you test it.
And get your facts straight! There's an issue in the kernel that not everyone experiences. The source is out and people are trying to pin down the reboot issues.
If ya don't like to test and contribute to finding the issue, then go to some other site and whine there. Make your own damn kernel from the source and find the issue yourself!
Sent from my SGH-T959 using xda premium

IT IS OVER/UNDER time.
I say this thread will be closed by 2:00pm (14:00)pm US Eastern time.
NOW Go!!!!!

Woodrube said:
I say this thread will be closed by 2:00pm (14:00)pm US Eastern time.
NOW Go!!!!!
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You lose. It's closed now.
gVibeR said:
I don't care what kind of flaming I get from this, but I am just sick and tired of taking a chance on the current list of developers for the TF101 only to find that my pad ends up in a continuous boot loop with constant Wireless module issues.
I think that if you haven't tested your rom on every possible model of transformer that you should note that, and make it very clear that anyone with a model not tested should take caution.
Yes..I am talking to you sportstart89, ricardopvz, teameos, timbit123, and whoever else thinks that by just compiling a rom, adding Superuser is all it takes to make it in this scene.
I have tried all of them on my B60 transformer...and every last one of them has a crashing Wireless with constant reboot loop.
THE ONLY ROM THAT IS STABLE ON MY PAD IS STOCK WITH VIPERMOD ROOT.
I'm done with all you amateurs.
I want my Roach2010 back!!
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Blasting people who do what you are seemingly unable to do is wrong, and does not belong at XDA. We exist for the developers, and if you don't want to provide a decent amount of respect, you can leave.

What are you guys going?

Everyone is always saying Franco kernel is so Much better but I've flash R16 and it was terrible, it was sluggish and battery was worse. Just flashed R18 and straight away I could notice it was slower
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What are you guys doing to get such good battery life? Im nearly able to get 4 hours sot. I calibrated the battery and it was brilliant. And now its worse again -.-
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I don't mean to go off topic but a thread like this bashing a kernel because you didn't have a good experience is unacceptable. Developers do this out of their free time and as a hobby. I don't see any of you producing your own kernels, its disrespectful to and be harsh about a kernel.
Battery life isn't even a problem when it comes to the OPO as its great out of the box. All battery problems you have are caused by user apps/signals/etc not by the kernel.
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Its your user apps/signal...... the OPO battery isnt a problem regardless of whatever kernel you have. Even with the wakelocks the battery is amazing.

zephiK said:
I don't mean to go off topic but a thread like this bashing a kernel because you didn't have a good experience is unacceptable. Developers do this out of their free time and as a hobby. I don't see any of you producing your own kernels, its disrespectful to and be harsh about a kernel.
Battery life isn't even a problem when it comes to the OPO as its great out of the box. All battery problems you have are caused by user apps/signals/etc not by the kernel.
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Its your user apps/signal...... the OPO battery isnt a problem regardless of whatever kernel you have. Even with the wakelocks the battery is amazing.
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Don't really see anyone bashing a kernel. Just a xda user asking how people manage to get good results using Franco kernel. And another user saying he didn't get on with Franco kernel as well. So he went back to stock?....

nathlynn22 said:
Don't really see anyone bashing a kernel. Just a xda user asking how people manage to get good results using Franco kernel. And another user saying he didn't get on with Franco kernel as well. So he went back to stock?....
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I can't really see the bashing here. Just giving back my personal opinion about a kernel to a user who seems to had the same problems with it (and I'm glad that he posted about that because I thought there was something wrong on my end, because i normally read only good feedback about it). None of us said the kernel is sh**, just our experience with it is.
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Of course I tried francos kernel and it was horrible. immediately turned back to stock.
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Thats pretty bashful there. All I'm saying is that if they were giving feedback then they should present it in a manner that isn't deemed offensive towards a particular kernel or even ROM. Its not like they've created kernels/roms that are meant to be slow, there are people out there who run particular rom/kernels that are perfectly fine. Some not, but if thats the case then it should be presented in a manner that is more respectable on finding out what is wrong with their phone.
I'm here saying that battery problems are not caused by kernels or a ROM set up. Its caused by user apps / wakelocks / cellular signal. Simply having a post where you just generally say that the kernel is "horrible" or that the kernel was "sluggish and battery was worse" doesn't help either.
Provide screenshots, logs of wakelock stats, where do you encounter lag, etc. Generally the more details the better.
Simply saying that a kernel is "horrible" is opinionated yes, but theres a way of better presenting a user's opinion because thats just outright disrespectful to any developer. Users can express their experiences with a kernel/rom but do it in a respectful manner. Provide more details, ultimately, we're here to help each other. No need to point fingers at X, Y or Z, rather than doing that provide more details so people can help you out.

riedlZ said:
I can't really see the bashing here. Just giving back my personal opinion about a kernel to a user who seems to had the same problems with it (and I'm glad that he posted about that because I thought there was something wrong on my end, because i normally read only good feedback about it). None of us said the kernel is sh**, just our experience with it is.
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You flat out called the kernel "horrible", that's just disrespectful and plain incendiary for users like me who actually know what it is we are doing and who have respect for the kernel, or anybody's work for that matter.
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Don't really see anyone bashing a kernel. Just a xda user asking how people manage to get good results using Franco kernel. And another user saying he didn't get on with Franco kernel as well. So he went back to stock?....
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It's just rude to call someone's work "terrible" and "horrible" especially on a site such as this. People devote countless hours to learning and countless more developing and listening to the feedback of others, and a couple of inexperienced users show up and start bashing said effort, yeah it's gonna piss people off...

zephiK said:
Thats pretty bashful there. All I'm saying is that if they were giving feedback then they should present it in a manner that isn't deemed offensive towards a particular kernel or even ROM. Its not like they've created kernels/roms that are meant to be slow, there are people out there who run particular rom/kernels that are perfectly fine. Some not, but if thats the case then it should be presented in a manner that is more respectable on finding out what is wrong with their phone.
I'm here saying that battery problems are not caused by kernels or a ROM set up. Its caused by user apps / wakelocks / cellular signal. Simply having a post where you just generally say that the kernel is "horrible" or that the kernel was "sluggish and battery was worse" doesn't help either.
Provide screenshots, logs of wakelock stats, where do you encounter lag, etc. Generally the more details the better.
Simply saying that a kernel is "horrible" is opinionated yes, but theres a way of better presenting a user's opinion because thats just outright disrespectful to any developer. Users can express their experiences with a kernel/rom but do it in a respectful manner. Provide more details, ultimately, we're here to help each other. No need to point fingers at X, Y or Z, rather than doing that provide more details so people can help you out.
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rickyx32 said:
You flat out called the kernel "horrible", that's just disrespectful and plain incendiary for users like me who actually know what it is we are doing and who have respect for the kernel, or anybody's work for that matter.
It's just rude to call someone's work "terrible" and "horrible" especially on a site such as this. People devote countless hours to learning and countless more developing and listening to the feedback of others, and a couple of inexperienced users show up and start bashing said effort, yeah it's gonna piss people off...
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Hmmm. I don't no then. In my opinion I've never had the opportunity to use Franco kernel or ak. I've not got round to trying it on OPO yet. It is down to user apps though I understand that.

Bad idea. Please don't open up a thread bashing a developer's work. If you think you can do better, please do so and stop bad mouthing the kernel. No one's forcing you to use anything. Make more meaningful contributions other than complaining about what doesn't work for you.
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Dev Support?

Hey everyone! Basically I've gotten myself into a situation where I'll be jumping from device to device through work every few months, but sometimes my job will ask for the phone back early. I have a 10 right now, but there's no point in letting that collect dust. I figured I'd sell it and grab an A9 for those in between times. The dev community for this thing is sparse though, which is sad. Even if we could attract someone to port another rom down to us, that'd be an improvement! Anyone else willing to try and reach out/pledge some money to attract devs? I'd be able to do fifty dollars at first, more once a rom comes about!

nickmilla15 said:
Hey everyone! Basically I've gotten myself into a situation where I'll be jumping from device to device through work every few months, but sometimes my job will ask for the phone back early. I have a 10 right now, but there's no point in letting that collect dust. I figured I'd sell it and grab an A9 for those in between times. The dev community for this thing is sparse though, which is sad. Even if we could attract someone to port another rom down to us, that'd be an improvement! Anyone else willing to try and reach out/pledge some money to attract devs? I'd be able to do fifty dollars at first, more once a rom comes about!
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Even though the A9 is a great device, the lack of popularity/interest in it has effectively killed it development-wise. Really, it's a miracle that we even have CM and s-off available.
That being said, we do have stock based and Cyanogenmod available, which most people seem to be satisfied with. Is there a specific rom that you'd like to see ported?
Really what I'd like to see is a custom kernel with uc/uv and oc support.

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That being said, we do have stock based and Cyanogenmod available, which most people seem to be satisfied with. Is there a specific rom that you'd like to see ported?.
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If he's on Sprint as his signature suggests there actually isn't even a CM device tree for the phone.

JohnRogers23 said:
If he's on Sprint as his signature suggests there actually isn't even a CM device tree for the phone.
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Good eye...I didn't catch that. Yea the Sprint variant is the black sheep of the A9 family.

Concerning the ROM development after so many months

Hello to all.
First, let me say that I am opening this thread with good attitude and in no way I disrespect the hard work from the guys that provide ROMS for our device. But I need to point out a few things in short.
My impression over the months with this device has been a mix of feelings.
I am sorry if I am missing crucial stuff that are behind the doors of development but my feeling as a member in XDA over so many years, is that Mi A1 developers lack seriously in communication and teamwork.
I am tired lately to see Pie ROMS going from bad to worse and crucial functions of the phone to go into the bug list.
Fingerprint - LTE bands - Playstore safety integrity and many more that everyone can read all over the place.
I have also noticed that most devs want to showoff more on the appearance side of the phone rather than stability-battery life and solid most used apps function.
95% of the users want 4 things mostly and these are the ones to focus
1) no battery drain
2) a decent camera app with no problems since hardware delivers
3) fingerprint functionality
4) other sensors working with no conflicts
I just want to point out the lack of communication and teamwork over serious matters. You solve these first then you customize ROMS to the needs you want to cover.
So many bugged ROMS and literally 0 bug-free rom.
Please be thorough on the discussion and don't flame over devs work. Just discuss how we can solve the problems and get finally a decent bug-free ROM.

Take this crap out

I would like to see a non-dev try to make a ROM and hear this feedback and see how they react to it.

joeyhuab said:
I would like to see a non-dev try to make a ROM and hear this feedback and see how they react to it.
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dunno why you take it the hard way. I have expressed my gratitude for ROM devs and I always appreciate your hard work and give feedback whenever I can.
your reply is showing disgrace to average users. Ok so we are not into developing ROMS. we are just testing and using your efforts. why does that have to be something to point out in a bad way?
I am just pointing out that we have so many ROM releases every 2-3 weeks and the results are buggier and buggier ROMS.
You clearly see that Pie stage has brought to all devs problems. Instead of releasing every 2 weeks ROMS individually , why don't you try to discuss together the main problems, find solutions and then try to implement the solutions to your ROMS.
Instead of teamwork over serious bugs, you just focus each on your own work with minor fixes over different builds and every Xiaomi update refreshes the same problems again and again.

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I would like to see a non-dev try to make a ROM and hear this feedback and see how they react to it.
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Would you help out if someone needed your expertise?

Something to add that worries me more.

greekfragma said:
dunno why you take it the hard way. I have expressed my gratitude for ROM devs and I always appreciate your hard work and give feedback whenever I can.
your reply is showing disgrace to average users. Ok so we are not into developing ROMS. we are just testing and using your efforts. why does that have to be something to point out in a bad way?
I am just pointing out that we have so many ROM releases every 2-3 weeks and the results are buggier and buggier ROMS.
You clearly see that Pie stage has brought to all devs problems. Instead of releasing every 2 weeks ROMS individually , why don't you try to discuss together the main problems, find solutions and then try to implement the solutions to your ROMS.
Instead of teamwork over serious bugs, you just focus each on your own work with minor fixes over different builds and every Xiaomi update refreshes the same problems again and again.
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See the problem here is other devs don't want to cooperate. Me, Abhi and Moun are actually conversing regarding how to fix the bugs. Flex and Khusika help out too but they're too busy at times. Other devs keep their resources closed and don't share device trees which in turn gives out more bugs instead of allowing all ROMs to have similar fixes altogether. I'm not replying in a bad light. I'm actually curious what a non-dev would react to all complaints knowing other devs wouldn't help out and cooperate.
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Would you help out if someone needed your expertise?
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I answer mostly on Telegram and yes, I give assistance to people asking for help when I have the time.

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See the problem here is other devs don't want to cooperate. Me, Abhi and Moun are actually conversing regarding how to fix the bugs. Flex and Khusika help out too but they're too busy at times. Other devs keep their resources closed and don't share device trees which in turn gives out more bugs instead of allowing all ROMs to have similar fixes altogether. I'm not replying in a bad light. I'm actually curious what a non-dev would react to all complaints knowing other devs wouldn't help out and cooperate.
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this is exactly why this thread has started.
I find the lack of cooperation has a direct impact on the community results and it clearly shows as I stated above. If you guys think you have to say something publicly about others compromising your work you should do it. The community has eyes and sees which devs really try to help the community and which devs are clearly for their own profit.
can you also comment on the picture I attached on previous post?

greekfragma said:
this is exactly why this thread has started.
I find the lack of cooperation has a direct impact on the community results and it clearly shows as I stated above. If you guys think you have to say something publicly about others compromising your work you should do it. The community has eyes and sees which devs really try to help the community and which devs are clearly for their own profit.
can you also comment on the picture I attached on previous post?
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I don't wanna mention names as I can no longer speak regarding the issues between me and some other developer in the community. All I can say right now is I'm taking over Official Pixel Experience while Abhi gets his Mi A1's motherboard replaced.

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greekfragma said:
this is exactly why this thread has started.
I find the lack of cooperation has a direct impact on the community results and it clearly shows as I stated above. If you guys think you have to say something publicly about others compromising your work you should do it. The community has eyes and sees which devs really try to help the community and which devs are clearly for their own profit.
can you also comment on the picture I attached on previous post?
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There's surely some great and cooperative devs. I have had some kind of interaction with Maun, CosmicDan and flex who were really helpful along the way! I was just halfway through developing my own kernel! And then I had to cancel the project for my illness and lack of knowledge about development! And yes, I couldn't even setup a build environment myself! Maun sincerely helped me on that! When I was successful building 2-3 revision then I got the mental illness along with physical illness! So, although I had the passion of learning and developing Android things, I had to abandon my project! At least for the time being! But there's another reason behind it! There's so much advanced kernels already there! I am even seeing 4.9s (I worked on the 3.18s)! So why I would release another ill-developed/built kernel?!? So I kept it to myself!
But the thing is despite being genius and genuinely helpful devs, they can't always be that helpful! As they got other things in life!
But what you and joey pointed out is very disappointed thing! It always doesn't need to all about yourself (those devs you are talking about) like most of this post of mine!
But if you leave them behind, you'll find that Xiaomi is trying to cause every possible problem as they always do!
So, adapting to these changes eventually takes time! I myself needed approximately one and a half month just to add spectrum support even with help! Couldn't even release that version for some anomaly and random reboots!
But I am not a real developer! Never claimed to be!
But making the source closed?!? That's too far! I have no idea what they are trying to do!
BTW, I was hauling for the front camera RAW capture bug on Oreo! (And that's the reason behind my working for a kernel! I knew it's stupid and premature!) But someone told me it's not possible for a mid range phone! But now in Pie, it can capture RAW images with the front camera on every camera2 apps! First I noticed on Serjo87 build! (That's the first GCam app I used on Pie) And I thought it was Serjo87 who could make it! But soon I realized that every other apps can do the same!
So the summary of the story is, they are too focused on their own things despite being helpful or they are not willing to share their fixes simply because they don't want to or is it because can't communicate for their own business!
But again, closing the sources is just...
Even some members/devs will focus and complain about my ending every sentence with an exclamation (!) rather than focusing on the bugs causing constant problems to the userbase!

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BTW, I was hauling for the front camera RAW capture bug on Oreo! (And that's the reason behind my working for a kernel! I knew it's stupid and premature!) But someone told me it's not possible for a mid range phone! But now in Pie, it can capture RAW images with the front camera on every camera2 apps! First I noticed on Serjo87 build! (That's the first GCam app I used on Pie) And I thought it was Serjo87 who could make it! But soon I realized that every other apps can do the same!
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Can other raw camera app can capture raw with front cam in 9? Other than gcam? Without green tint?

In my opinion porting 4.9 Kernel to Mi A1 was a big and remarkable success, but it has introduced more bugs to fix.
I don't see a huge difference in terms of performance and battery life.
Newer custom ROMs are on 4.9 kernel, so I had to lose ALL apps using HAL1 camera (mainly stock camera).
I'd like to see a fully customizable ROM with 3.18 Kernel and bug-free, but i don't think it's available at this moment.
Just my 2 cents.

sipollo said:
In my opinion porting 4.9 Kernel to Mi A1 was a big and remarkable success, but it has introduced more bugs to fix.
I don't see a huge difference in terms of performance and battery life.
Newer custom ROMs are on 4.9 kernel, so I had to lose ALL apps using HAL1 camera (mainly stock camera).
I'd like to see a fully customizable ROM with 3.18 Kernel and bug-free, but i don't think it's available at this moment.
Just my 2 cents.
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This. Despite all the ROM threads, only 1 or 2 Pie ROM's can be used as daily drivers. Almost all the 4.9 ROM's need latest FW which is breaking features like VoLTE, Fingerprint etc (This is due to Xiaomi's fault and I know that too). I was more than satisfied with the Oreo ROM's but I haven't been able to go back after using Pie. From all the ROM's I have flashed only Bootleggers Pie ROM, which has some bugs which are tolerable, and Revenge OS Pie (which I'm using right now, but it lacks customizations) are completely stable (on November Firmware).
I'm just waiting for Xiaomi to fix the mess they have caused so I can settle on a 4.9 kernel ROM. I don't care about HAL1, I only use GCam.

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Can other raw camera app can capture raw with front cam in 9? Other than gcam? Without green tint?
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Open Camera and it's forks are confirmed!
GCam 5.x.x also confirmed!
GCam 6.x.x confirmed but has green tint on of them!
BTW, you may know it, GCam 5.x.x don't have green tint on front cam! I use Arnova and fu24 versions!

I am gonna repost this here with the permission of @joeyhuab
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=78681040&postcount=132
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Just a heads up. PE team has removed Tissot Pie from the official list of devices. Their team is really dedicated to dropping Tissot support due to Saksham having Abhi kicked from PE Maintainers group due to having a broken device while Saksham himself no longer has a Mi A1.
I don't really see why Abhinav being kicked was a proper thing to do as he will still have his Tissot repaired while the guy that got him kicked from the PE maintainers group asks for donations to "start" development on another device (daisy/fajita).
I'm not one to comment on this whole thing but it's really getting out of hand and I no longer want to be associated with their dev team until this debacle is resolved. I will stick to building unofficial builds while Official status for Tissot is up in the air as we really don't know what Jhenrique and friends want to decide to do.
I don't want any part of the official status any longer after what they did to Abhinav.
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what a mess

Tissot lost another developer. I quit.

It's not something that could be remedied easily. Tissot developers going away from this simply means that not everything is as good as it might look. Despite some success with 4.9 kernel, some devs are having a hard time fixing some issues, which might seem to be obvious. That for sure brings anxiety and frustration for one, since after so much time being able to fix one really small issue (looking from a practical standpoint) brings dissapointment. I don't complain, since I no longer develop anything, reason being for that is simple - no time left to spare for that. Maybe one day I'll get to that, once I settle down some of my personal concerns, which are holding me back.
I respect every developer doing this job for a better cause and contributing to others, because they want it so. And those, who continously complain about everything shouldn't even be here in the first place. Nothing is perfect, ever. If someone is willing to do something here, rather than complain about everything - do something useful, contribute in some way or another, it's just the way I got into development, being totally green and unaware of so many things. Starting from small steps and going up with every minute ticking. Live and learn.

joeyhuab said:
Tissot lost another developer. I quit.
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@joeyhuab I am pretty sad about your decision but I have to respect it.
If it is possible to give us some information of what went wrong and you also decided to quit. Only the facts and just the facts. No intention to argue.
I am not sure if there is anyone out there willing to continue your efforts.
If there is no hope I will completely understand and will no further comment on this thread. It just seems kinda weird since this device had so much potential on hardware specs and Pie releases were very impressive until latest month.
I hope for the best in the near future and feel free to contact me through private messages if you want to discuss further.

greekfragma said:
@joeyhuab I am pretty sad about your decision but I have to respect it.
If it is possible to give us some information of what went wrong and you also decided to quit. Only the facts and just the facts. No intention to argue.
I am not sure if there is anyone out there willing to continue your efforts.
If there is no hope I will completely understand and will no further comment on this thread. It just seems kinda weird since this device had so much potential on hardware specs and Pie releases were very impressive until latest month.
I hope for the best in the near future and feel free to contact me through private messages if you want to discuss further.
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One guy ruined it for me. That's all I can comment.

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One guy ruined it for me. That's all I can comment.
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I understand your decision. It is really hard to feel that such a capable phone is being dropped from PE support.I firstly flashed the rom when Saksham was the dev of PE. I liked it so much, I could not go to stock ever again.But it feels like a punch to see 3 devs dropping update support, and letting a capable phone with thousands of people flashing it drop in the void. Now I need to go back to stock, worse version of Android..It's my only option because I'm scared to flash another custom rom on my non-trebelized Tissot.
Your updates were so fast, felt stable and with necessary features.It really turned a Tissot into Pixel 3.
I feel sad for this mess that happened throughout 4 months.I never expected such a good dev like you leaving tissot, but it's your decision and I can't change it.
How to return to Xiaomi stock android 9.0 (no firmware flashed in TWRP with PE rom, no treble, bootloader unlocked)?
Goodbye, Pixel Experience....It felt so good to have a Pixel 3 in my hands, but it was suddenly dropped into void....
You will always remain in my heart, 16th january 2019 build, you will always remain in my mind, devs, for your great work throughout those 4 beautiful months.
Thank you...