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Beta honeycomb port for Gtablet available.

There is a semi working port of honeycomb for the g-tablet available from the below link. I looked through the threads and could find no mention of this.
http://rom-honeycomb-for-gtab-12.com/

brainyjd said:
There is a semi working port of honeycomb for the g-tablet available from the below link. I looked through the threads and could find no mention of this.
http://rom-honeycomb-for-gtab.com/
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Most of the threads regarding this are in the G tablet General forum...

brainyjd said:
There is a semi working port of honeycomb for the g-tablet available from the below link. I looked through the threads and could find no mention of this.
http://rom-honeycomb-for-gtab-12.com/
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You need to look harder.
The thing is, because its not being developed/released on xda its not mentioned in the Development section.

sorry - It makes sense that this is not in the dev thread
It makes sense that this is not in the dev thread but it is big news and I skim for new post every day in the dev section and did not see any. Sorry I wish I could delete this post.

brainyjd said:
There is a semi working port of honeycomb for the g-tablet available from the below link. I looked through the threads and could find no mention of this.
http://rom-honeycomb-for-gtab.com/
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It's actually still in ALPHA not Beta

Not development. Moved to general.

It's here, and looks great but some features dont work.. still great
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1065220

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Not development. Moved to general.
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I'm curious about this since the project obviously IS development, but is being moved to General every time a thread references it.
Is this happening because Roebeet is now, for some reason no one has shared, persona non grata around here?
I mean, I guess it makes sense if he is no longer part of the XDA "family" but it still seems kind of silly.

I believe it is because the DEVELOPMENT is happening elsewhere.
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nunjabusiness said:
I'm curious about this since the project obviously IS development, but is being moved to General every time a thread references it.
Is this happening because Roebeet is now, for some reason no one has shared, persona non grata around here?
I mean, I guess it makes sense if he is no longer part of the XDA "family" but it still seems kind of silly.
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It's not that at all..
Development is for the actual development of something and by the developer of that something, not the discussion of things being developed elsewhere regardless of who is developing it.
A good example.....CM7, the primary source tree for all Gingerbread built ROMs on the Gtablet is discussed in General as well because CyanogenMod is not posting their development and issues....it's others just talking about it.
The easiest way to think of it is that the development forum section is for a developer to post on their work and get feedback.
If it's not your work and you aren't doing the "developing" on it.....post it in General.

This really makes me want to punch whoever that drove roebeet away. Seriously, the guy is as dedicated as you can expect any dev who's doing this out of pure hobbyist enthusiasm.
The guy actually spent his valuable time to give us honeycream. Whoever that accused roebeet of any ill intention and effectively drove him away, shame on you. You should go and buy an ipad and leave us gtabbers alone.

When you think about it viewsonic made this all possible by releasing the 1.2 bl. In the end they have given us honey creams...
The honey comb port is from another device that uses a compatible or similar bl.
Roebeet is simply ironing out the gtab specific bugs. But therew are numerous bugs, so his work is much appreciated.
I definitely hate following the development on an outside site from xda. Because I love this community. But it is what it is.
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goodintentions said:
This really makes me want to punch whoever that drove roebeet away. Seriously, the guy is as dedicated as you can expect any dev who's doing this out of pure hobbyist enthusiasm.
The guy actually spent his valuable time to give us honeycream. Whoever that accused roebeet of any ill intention and effectively drove him away, shame on you. You should go and buy an ipad and leave us gtabbers alone.
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Well said goodintentions !!
I don't agree with some of your posts,
but this one I can't agree more.

goodintentions said:
This really makes me want to punch whoever that drove roebeet away. Seriously, the guy is as dedicated as you can expect any dev who's doing this out of pure hobbyist enthusiasm.
The guy actually spent his valuable time to give us honeycream. Whoever that accused roebeet of any ill intention and effectively drove him away, shame on you. You should go and buy an ipad and leave us gtabbers alone.
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You can find him on slate droid and he is working on honeycomb.

Last edited by jerdog; Today at 02:00 PM. Reason: Against XDA rules to direct traffic to another tablet/forum site
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Really Jerdog?
I think you take this too far. Just being a jerk now.
I guess you will be removing all links to CM7 huh? Isn't that another tablet/phone/forum site? Those DEV's don't post/host their projects here.
I've never really taken sides in this little spat, but I think this is childish.
It's not like this is just one of many CM7 derivatives. It's the only bootable HC image I know of for the G-tab at this moment. Whatever flaws, issues, malfunctions it may have, many in these forums would like to play around.

This is an amazing rom for an alpha!
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Zaphod-Beeblebrox said:
It's not like this is just one of many CM7 derivatives. It's the only bootable HC image I know of for the G-tab at this moment. Whatever flaws, issues, malfunctions it may have, many in these forums would like to play around.
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Don't worry its all over the General section right now
XDA is merely reaping what some of its members/mods have planted (see: roebeet vs. XDA regarding 1.2 bl), and the more they continue to make a big issue about it the more the members will be trafficking and directing others traffic outside XDA.
Zaphod-Beeblebrox said:
It's the only bootable HC image I know of for the G-tab at this moment. Whatever flaws, issues, malfunctions it may have, many in these forums would like to play around.
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Thats not the issue here (IMHO), the thing is , everyone who wants to try this ROM needs to load 1.2bl, this just proves that 1.2bl was the way to go (as suggested a month or two ago). The 1.1 <-> 1.2 switch just to try honeycomb will drive many users (at one point or another) to keep using the semi-backed, still alpha, HC release to avoid the overhead of the switch (especially given the rate of advances made in the HC port and bricking risk involved in jumping back and forth). Now all the current ROM developers (in clear contradiction to what XDA advocated) will need to either release 1.2 compatible ROMs or risk loss of interest.

Now all the current ROM developers (in clear contradiction to what XDA advocated) will need to either release 1.2 compatible ROMs or risk loss of interest.
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I originally thought that they didn't want to do this becuase they will then have wasted all that time on the 1.1 Roms that are still in development...but then something dawned on me. Roebeet was able to port 3 existing Roms, all that he worked on, to 1.2. One based on TNT lite, one based on Gadam, and one (and probably best Rom I've ever used) based on Vegan. Keep in mind, he had all 3 of these up and running in about 2 days. He's actually been working on all of those, the HC port, and general 1.2 tools all at the same time. He's created direct and simple processes to flash to 1.2, a revised CWM for it, has Pershoot and Clemsyn on board with kernels.
Call me a fanboi, etc...but the man has really put in some major time on the 1.2 projects.

aasoror said:
Don't worry its all over the General section right now
XDA is merely reaping what some of its members/mods have planted (see: roebeet vs. XDA regarding 1.2 bl), and the more they continue to make a big issue about it the more the members will be trafficking and directing others traffic outside XDA.
Thats not the issue here (IMHO), the thing is , everyone who wants to try this ROM needs to load 1.2bl, this just proves that 1.2bl was the way to go (as suggested a month or two ago). The 1.1 <-> 1.2 switch just to try honeycomb will drive many users (at one point or another) to keep using the semi-backed, still alpha, HC release to avoid the overhead of the switch (especially given the rate of advances made in the HC port and bricking risk involved in jumping back and forth). Now all the current ROM developers (in clear contradiction to what XDA advocated) will need to either release 1.2 compatible ROMs or risk loss of interest.
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TJEvans said:
I originally thought that they didn't want to do this becuase they will then have wasted all that time on the 1.1 Roms that are still in development...but then something dawned on me. Roebeet was able to port 3 existing Roms, all that he worked on, to 1.2. One based on TNT lite, one based on Gadam, and one (and probably best Rom I've ever used) based on Vegan. Keep in mind, he had all 3 of these up and running in about 2 days. He's actually been working on all of those, the HC port, and general 1.2 tools all at the same time. He's created direct and simple processes to flash to 1.2, a revised CWM for it, has Pershoot and Clemsyn on board with kernels.
Call me a fanboi, etc...but the man has really put in some major time on the 1.2 projects.
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The whole 1.1/1.2 bootloader thing is stupid and melodramatic. There is little difference, and no real reason to use one vs the other. As builds from Malata get released, this will likely be a non-issue. sooner or later a 'standard' will emerge. Time takes care of this.
As for this 'overhead' between switching, its a fairly simple process to nvFlash. I think we forget that this is an enthusiasts and developers site. There are plenty of threads/articles explaining how to do it. This ain't Viewsonic Tech support. If you can't read these threads and learn how to do this, you really shouldn't be toying with the firmware to start with.

Zaphod-Beeblebrox said:
The whole 1.1/1.2 bootloader thing is stupid and melodramatic. There is little difference, and no real reason to use one vs the other. As builds from Malata get released, this will likely be a non-issue. sooner or later a 'standard' will emerge. Time takes care of this.
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At the moment there is a few good reasons to use 1.2. The main one is HoneyComb . But it has been found that the 1.2 for the Adam is interchangeable with our 1.2. The adam developers have said they are working on a gingerbread release which means that 1.2 will be the way to get acceleration on a gingerbread rom.
Sure at the moment, if you don't feel like playing around with Honeycomb which is only partially working (I can't believe how much progress has been made in the last 2 days), there is no real reason to switch today. But, it looks like the best of what will come out in the near future is on 1.2 which can only be found on a different web site currently.

Recognize skill

Faux123 is a developer why xda cannot recognize this beyond comprehension.
One of best devs for this phone
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yea I would like to suck him off

c19932 said:
yea I would like to suck him off
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i only donated money

c19932 said:
yea I would like to suck him off
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WTF!!! I just donate!!
Suprah..."no cyanogen, rom manager still fake flashes the roms thats y for nvidia phones we have to use nvflash"

I am new to this whole scene, but gotta say that the Faux rom is tits....whatever happened, I hope it gets fixed soon.

I agree totally. Faux has personally helped me numerous times and his Kernel, Rom and overall knowledge of the G2X and android platform as a whole pushes him out the din and into the realm of Developer IMO. If he doesn't meet the requirements of being a Dev then very few of the supposed "devs" on here do, yet they still get the recognition. Even after his title was removed he's still working hard on his projects and still helping people.
I don't know what happened or why but it's wrong, Faux was wronged and I think a bit less of XDA for it. I'm sure I'm not the first or last to say this so whatever, just my 2 cents that wasn't asked for.

Seriously, what's up with this?
Any admins or mods care to chime in here with the reasoning behind this? This kind of stuff drives devs away, which you can already see happening.
Members go where devs go, come on xda!

I agree Faux is a very dedicated developer who has helped the community a lot and we should drum up support for him to be Recognized.

my thing is that faux is putting out kernels and roms for more than just this phone and the mods and admin guys and girl cannot recognize him shame on them.

yea he is a super nice guy idk what he could of done for that to happen hes to nice lol, faux is one of the best developers hands down, and yea i said it

I agree. Even though I'm new here, it didn't take me long to realize that Faux is one of the most, if not THE most valued developer for this phone. Most other rom developers include his kernals in their roms that they stamp their own names to...if that's not an endorsement, I don't know what is.

There is always two sides to a story. With that being said, im on his titles side.WE dont know what Faux may or my not have done but if the issue is out side of his work it shouldnt effect the title. Admited I maybe the newest guy on here but without Faux's work my G2x wouldn't.

Originally Posted by faux123
Quick Announcement:
CyanogenMod Team has added Apache License 2.0 to many of their files which I have borrowed and modified for my Nexus ROM, so they have kindly asked those who used their code to display their license notices.
I have modified and incorporated their updates to Settings.apk to display all the CyanogenMod licenses in order to comply and give credit to CyanogenMod team's effort and contribution.
Here's a screenshot of the updates.. This is still work in progress (for version 1.2.7 and beyond), once CyanogenMod has completed their license updates to their own releases, my ROM will also display all the appropriate licenses.
BTW, I am taking a break from android for a while, I am going to pick up my guitar lesson again. Android has taken up quite a bit of my free time and I want to get back to my practice (I really suck at playing guitar, but I still want to learn it).

So did CM feel as though Faux wasn't giving credit for their work???? I remember from day one that he always gave credit to CM for all the work that they put in.... I also remember he was forced to change the name of his rom because they were unhappy about it... Seems like they were angry that he was possibly using some of their framework, and were jealous that his rom was receiving way more attention then theirs, leading for them to complain about how he was not giving them the proper credit for work which is why he now has to incorporate these apache license things... Who knows that's just my opinion and if it is the case its BS because like I said before he always gave credit in his threads to the work CM team did... Hopefully Faux gets bored of playing the guitar and playing street fighter and comes back because GOD knows he is needed and wanted here and not just for the G2X but for the android community.

It looks like this under investigation by the mods at this moment and has been for the past few days. Not much more info than that was mentioned since it's between Faux and XDA.
Hopefully this gets settled quickly.

I hope it gets rectified quickly because Faux is the man!!!

Whats the point of this thread? Where is it that it was claimed that he was not a developer? Is it because of the apache licensing that you are all upset?
The only concern that I would have is how the updates are represented from version to version. Looking at the latest release, other than the kernel, none of the changes seem to be any different than that of nightly CM7 but are represented as different or as if written by him. I don't think its intentional and probably just needs to be clarified.
Seriously though, why you all got your panties in a bunch?

Either way, good luck faux... we look forward to seeing you back in the future...
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[DISCUSSION] Developers not wanting other developers to use their work?

Hello, I'd like to preface this post by saying it's not my goal to accuse anyone of anything or start a flame war. I'm genuinely curious, and just want some open discussion.
I've been confused recently by an undercurrent of resentment or ill-will in the development section. Dev's threads getting closed or deleted for not getting permission to use this or that in their ROM, snide remarks about their abilities in the ROM release thread, long rambling posts about "haters," etc.
What's with this? From my perspective, it almost looks like developers think they should have the right to post edits/changes to HTC's software and framework without permission, but then turn around and say nobody else can build upon their edits without permission.
I firmly believe in giving credit where credit is due, but isn't it a bit counter-productive and even hypocritical to have threads taken down because another dev says "hey I didn't say you could use that!" Isn't XDA built upon the fact that HTC and other manufacturers turn a blind eye to us using and altering their work and releasing the altered product without permission? What am I missing here?
Just to reiterate one more time: I'm not trying to be accusatory, I just honestly want to understand the other side of this argument and why this behavior is being tolerated around here. Thanks!

I agree with you.....but
There has been a few ROMs posted here, that are completely 'kanged' from someone elses ROM.. Now i know the ROM is based of HTC so we all should do as we wish with it, But when someone has spent a lot of time ironing out bugs, adding tweaks and generally reducing the size and making the ROM better... And then someone steals that, changes the build.prop to change the ROMs name and release it as their own is totally out of order..
Now not to mention any names, but this has been done several times since the release of this phone, Its this sort of behaviour that puts serious Developers off the idea of making this phone better for us all..
Majority of the Devs here hardly get paid for what they do, I doubt they receive enough in donations to jack there job and do this full time.. So wouldnt you be annoyed if someone stole your work ? and every one was giving you credit and thanks and donations, Even though those credits / donations belong to someone else ?
We should SHARE in this community, The majority of us do, However we should NOT KANG other peoples work..
Im a big kanger, i kang 3-4 ROMs together, Using bits i like from each ROM and use it as my daily driver, However I would not dream of releasing it as it goes against everything i stand for..

Great discussion you have right here man.
If you don't ask permission for work you can't use the ROM/files etc.
What sucks is if you PM the developer they still say "No" so what is a win win in this situation? People like the word "kanging". It's not kanging at all because none of these files were made by you! All of these files were made by HTC and there Team! Don't claim anything !

So what about leedroids ROM ?? None of his tweaks came built into the HTC ROM, Hes made them himself.. Would you just take his work even if he said no ??
That my friend is KANGING.
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What sucks is if you PM the developer they still say "No" so what is a win win in this situation?
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Surely the win win situation is to put the effort in and make these mods / tweaks yourself ?? If a Dev says no, He doesnt mean, sneakily take it and rename it.

azzledazzle said:
So what about leedroids ROM ?? None of his tweaks came built into the HTC ROM, Hes made them himself.. Would you just take his work even if he said no ??
That my friend is KANGING.
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No I never said that.
I'm just saying. Don't call your work yours because how about if HTC said "Nobody can use our ROM's a base" then if we use it we get sued.
Half of the ROM's are just built of there base with tons of modified things and they still get stuff from other people about "kanging" even with permission etc.
If you don't ask permission for work you can't use the ROM/files etc.

Whats getting you hot and bothered ?? No one here has mentioned your name in any of this, Unless you have a guilty conscience ??
Surely HTC make the ROM and it clearly states 'Do not distribute outside of HTC blabla legal action' Yet every ROM here did so in theory we are all kangers..
But what about android in General ? AOSP / AOKP / MIUI.. all built from scratch.. The effort and hard work Devs put in to make these ROMs work, Surely taking their work and using it without permission is wrong ? wouldn't you agree ?

That's life but I think the people should relax a bit more.
Until Lee's ROM there were only Stock ROMs with some improvement's and tweaks by he_stheone64.
Lee (a great and maybe the best dev) now included any tweaks which available.
But remember that he "only ported" the things from Jan (j4n87 or so is his name).
In fact the whole developement story is just kanging.- Kanging the release's of the company..

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Whats getting you hot and bothered ?? No one here has mentioned your name in any of this, Unless you have a guilty conscience ??
Surely HTC make the ROM and it clearly states 'Do not distribute outside of HTC blabla legal action' Yet every ROM here did so in theory we are all kangers..
But what about android in General ? AOSP / AOKP / MIUI.. all built from scratch.. The effort and hard work Devs put in to make these ROMs work, Surely taking their work and using it without permission is wrong ? wouldn't you agree ?
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I'm not saying anything o-o.
I'll take that I'll take that that's a good thing and great way to say it! Even the HBoot says it yet people make S-OFF etc.
Agree 100% Actually Azzle! Right on

I don't think it is a matter of developers not wanting other developers to use there work- it is the fact that they didn't ask! Alot of work goes into making these Roms- it takes less than a min to send a pm- I know - i've done it

zylith said:
I don't think it is a matter of developers not wanting other developers to use there work- it is the fact that they didn't ask! Alot of work goes into making these Roms- it takes less than a min to send a pm- I know - i've done it
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Love it
irony?
Anyway, hope this thread won't get to a ***** fight, I won't post in this one anymore..

zylith said:
I don't think it is a matter of developers not wanting other developers to use there work- it is the fact that they didn't ask! Alot of work goes into making these Roms- it takes less than a min to send a pm- I know - i've done it
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Agreed. We're all a huge team/community just making our own ROMs and putting our personal touches to them. It's not about doing something and achieving something, and not wanting to share. Getting permission to use is all that's really required.
No need to fight over this stuff guys....it's just a mistake that can be fixed. No biggie. Just follow the proper procedures and avoid unnecessary run-ins like this. Let's focus on giving the community what they want....and that's options!!!

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Agreed. We're all a huge team/community just making our own ROMs and putting our personal touches to them. It's not about doing something and achieving something, and not wanting to share. Getting permission to use is all that's really required.
No need to fight over this stuff guys....it's just a mistake that can be fixed. No biggie. Just follow the proper procedures and avoid unnecessary run-ins like this. Let's focus on giving the community what they want....and that's options!!!
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well put.

Not a dev, but been around awhile
On the HTC side--my impression is they don't mind these kangs, even back to the N1. Hence they allow unlocking. They monitor these forums and look for the improvements by the devs to help them also.
Now, that is just my understanding from xda posts I have read going back 2 years on this topic, I may be wrong--
Otherwise, 100% support for asking first and giving credit to original devs--
Ken

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Not a dev, but been around awhile
On the HTC side--my impression is they don't mind these kangs, even back to the N1. Hence they allow unlocking. They monitor these forums and look for the improvements by the devs to help them also.
Now, that is just my understanding from xda posts I have read going back 2 years on this topic, I may be wrong--
Otherwise, 100% support for asking first and giving credit to original devs--
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Exactly.
Sent from ICS device!

Thanks for the replies. It makes sense to ask permission first before using others' work- only common courtesy I appreciate the different thoughts on this. Helps to understand where this stuff is coming from. Hopefully this doesn't become a downward spiral of devs having ill-will towards each other and refusing to work together.
Also, I never said HTC was against this community or what it does- only that it seemed hypocritical from some devs to take their work, alter it, and then actively try to stop others from building upon that.

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Thanks for the replies. It makes sense to ask permission first before using others' work- only common courtesy I appreciate the different thoughts on this. Helps to understand where this stuff is coming from. Hopefully this doesn't become a downward spiral of devs having ill-will towards each other and refusing to work together.
Also, I never said HTC was against this community or what it does- only that it seemed hypocritical from some devs to take their work, alter it, and then actively try to stop others from building upon that.
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I would hope this brings us closer together- I am new to the dev world- but have been around xda for years. I have no ill will towards ANYONE. Hell people make mistakes- I make mistakes- fix the problem - then move on. We are here for each-other.

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with relation to Htc themselves..im still in shock they havent implemented some of the modifications that xda or devs in general have come up with
htc need to be hiring some of the devs..if only to get rid of the nasty status bar they insist on keeping..in some ways i think they are doing it on purpose just to grate people!
look at the one s source for example..many people have complained and its still not released lol..i think they are just laughing at us

Those are not devs, they are just "devs" if you know what I mean

This is my view, Android is open source right? I mean I agree 100% Give credit where it is due but the thing is, we don't give credit to HTC for the rom base every time. It seems like when a system UI for example is modified, i don't see the issue that if you give them credit why do you have to ask them? Did we ask HTC if we can Mod their system UI? I mean its not like it was ours in the first place. It seems all over rated. If you say Hey thanks John Doe for the Blah blah blah then it shouldn't be an issue. That is one thing that can really put a damper on Development.
Look at the situation with people getting mad at HTC for having the HTC Evita (ATT One X) Having a locked bootloader! some of the devs and people here think they are entitled to these things.
Another Example, The HTC Ruby (Amaze 4G) S-off situation. HTC gives them an unlocked bootloader and they Demand S-off from them. I mean where does they hypocrisy end.
Basically, I believe that if dev's are going to request people to ask them first. I want the Dev's to call up htc before they make a rom, in addition to putting "Huge thanks to HTC for the rom base!" In their threads. Its open source, if they want it closed source then I advise the call apple and develop for them.

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Whats getting you hot and bothered ?? No one here has mentioned your name in any of this, Unless you have a guilty conscience ??
Surely HTC make the ROM and it clearly states 'Do not distribute outside of HTC blabla legal action' Yet every ROM here did so in theory we are all kangers..
But what about android in General ? AOSP / AOKP / MIUI.. all built from scratch.. The effort and hard work Devs put in to make these ROMs work, Surely taking their work and using it without permission is wrong ? wouldn't you agree ?
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His response doesn't sound like he's hot or bothered at all. Looks like you're the one catching feelings
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AOKP/CM - ICS -> JB BootLoader?

I haven't found the answer, and I was actually just curious as to what the hurdles are switching the bootloader in the rom is?
Being that I am on the JB BL, I am stuck with mainly two roms, Clean and Hydro. Both great roms, but was just curious from a dev standpoint, since we have both the ICS and JB bootloaders floating around out there, what hurdles are in place keeping a JB BL version of AOSP being made.
Thanks!
Mario

+1 I would like to know also. I keep seeing don't do it you will brick but can't find any information about what happened or when. Yes I have searched! I may not be able to recover from a problem that you just breeze through as we are all different. The subject deserves further study.
I can place Asus ICS update on my sdcard and get an offer to downgrade just as I got offers to upgrade.
Maybe someone can provide links or definite info about this situation.

there are some devs trying to get this working, but it seems to be very hard to get it running

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there are some devs trying to get this working, but it seems to be very hard to get it running
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Maybe someone will start a thread to collect and share info about this problem.

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Maybe someone will start a thread to collect and share info about this problem.
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No, the devs should work on this problem and trying to fix it not discuss why its not running.
As far as I know it has something to do with the new Kernel.

mikaole said:
No, the devs should work on this problem and trying to fix it not discuss why its not running.
As far as I know it has something to do with the new Kernel.
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I was speaking of the devs starting and maintaining the thread.
I have seen one post here (FT300) asking for testers NVFlash but it is common in other threads.
The more heads involved the better the chances of conquering the problem.
Take the nook tablet!
Bauwks broke open the locked bootloader problem, you never see him post but he is there and knows his stuff.
AdamOutler seldom posts but he broke booting from the sdcard.
Numerous threads were provided a key piece of the puzzle by people who seldom post and are not listed here as developers.
These things have a better chance of coming to pass with more people involved and that is the reason for a sharing thread.
Obviously the thread has to be highly regulated as to what can and can't be posted for it to be effective.
There are good devs in this forum also and I'm sure they are working on the problem and I take nothing away from them or their contributions, but maybe there are people in the wings who could also help (not me).
I will be a tester as needed but don't have current knowledge base to work with. Like others here I am trying to learn by studying and following examples of others.:good:

mikaole said:
No, the devs should work on this problem and trying to fix it not discuss why its not running.
As far as I know it has something to do with the new Kernel.
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I can see both +'s and -'s to this. Myself, I have both Engineering and Computer Science degrees and quite an extensive amount of programming experience, but I have never worked on the Android platform. Any and all information pertaining to the reasons or methodologies behind why something isn't working is all food for thought for someone like me and might be a trigger to motivate a breakthrough. Being in the dark in most cases doesn't move anything forward, and I think there is an old saying that really applies here... "Why recreate the wheel."
I know a lot of programmers think "Do it yourself and learn", but at the same time, we are all trying to work to the same goal, getting the best user experience we can. With that said, if every single person had to start off at point 0, it would take an infinitely longer amount of time to get to where we could be. If we all shared ideas, and in some simple form or another, had a collection of proofs that have worked, then it would allow anyone with minimal android programming experience a way to start somewhere beyond point 0, and get up and helping as quickly as possible.
For those who simply want to sit back and complain about something not working but have no interest nor will to contribute, this may be the issue we are experiencing with programmers who just have no interest in hearing people whine and fill up their threads.
Just my 2c.
Mario

Anyone have any links to people who actually bricked trying to go back to JB from ICS? I have searched and searched without any positive results. I only get don't do it, it will brick your device.

[Q] Question about maintaining ROMs

I think we all realize that making these ROMs is just a hobby for most, but doesn't anyone want to make a fully stable one? From what I've seen since this phone rolled out, is that someone will make a ROM, update it a few times, and then it's just dust in the wind. Also the only 100% stable ROM is the stock ICS ROM; no? My point is not to criticize anyone for their hard work,but to rather ask the question; what is the point of tinkering with a ROM and never getting it to 100% before moving onto the next one? I know everyone is very appreciative of what goes on in this community, me included. I was just wondering if someone could shed some light on this question for me.
Also, just my two cents; It would be nice for someone to maintain a custom ICS ROM just so there can be an up to date ROM with nice features and wifi calling. =)

Instead of giving your 2 cents, do it yourself. What's your definition of stable. I've been on PAC since it's come out and have zero complaints. Your want stable? Don't root, don't flash, don't modify. There, perfectly stable. Saying "my point is not to criticize" doesn't absolve you from being completely ungrateful for the hard work it takes to do this. Do it yourself. XDA is a development forum, not completely 100 percent stable forum. Don't like it? Go get an iPhone.
Sent from a Blazing PACMAN devouring ALL...

Most of the roms are stable. You can find things to ***** about on any rom, including stock.
When it comes to something not getting fixed it can come down to the dev not enough time, or its not worth the effort, or they moved on to a different device. I mean is it really worth fixing a bug that 2 people are experiencing if it is going to take a few weeks away from your family, I don't think so. And that is about how solid 95% of the roms are. Give some props.
There are probably 25 ROMs over 4 revisions of android... Its our job as USERS to spend the time and effort to find one we like, and that suits us. If a ROM has a bug that is detrimental to the use you need, look at another one. So try not to criticize devs when you haven't done your due diligence as a user.

csssc said:
I think we all realize that making these ROMs is just a hobby for most, but doesn't anyone want to make a fully stable one? From what I've seen since this phone rolled out, is that someone will make a ROM, update it a few times, and then it's just dust in the wind. Also the only 100% stable ROM is the stock ICS ROM; no? My point is not to criticize anyone for their hard work,but to rather ask the question; what is the point of tinkering with a ROM and never getting it to 100% before moving onto the next one? I know everyone is very appreciative of what goes on in this community, me included. I was just wondering if someone could shed some light on this question for me.
Also, just my two cents; It would be nice for someone to maintain a custom ICS ROM just so there can be an up to date ROM with nice features and wifi calling. =)
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Fully stable is damn near impossible, man. There is sooo much involved in coding these ROMs it's literally staggering. These devs aren't software developers (not most of them) but just regular guys, working regular jobs like you and me. If you want completely stable best to stay stock rooted (so you can drop all that bloatware bull****) Most of these developers have day jobs that don't involve android and do this in their spare time, for us. To be frank, man, you did come across EXTREMELY critical, and the folks around here don't take kindly to that (just breath @njstein) What's the saying? Beggars can't be choosers? My point, if you want to run 4.3 your're gonna have to take the good with the bad, just suck it up and deal with the FEW bugs. I've been on 4.3 for a couple months now with no serious issues.. Just a few bugs. And for future reference, keep this kind of thing to yourself

I had no intention a dragging this into what it has become. Obviously no one understands the point I was making or the question I was asking. I'm not going to further this conversation anymore.

I don't understand why you are making a statement in general to all ROMs. The reason why the older ROMs are unsupported is because there is no reason to waste time updating them as the guy above explained. That's why you will never see halo on ICS. Now, 4.3 roms are supported at the moment. If you like an iPhone then congratulations.
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anactoraaron said:
Because if every dev stayed on ICS we'd have loads of folks asking if 'such and such device' will ever get a jb or kk rom. Seriously re-read the posts about how difficult it is to code. Your post is akin to asking someone to rebuild a car engine multiple times because every 5000 miles the thing misfires. Why did it misfire? Was it a plug/wire? Something in the valves/cylinder? Electrical? Fuel delivery? How many hours do you expect someone to waste tracking and rebuilding (sometimes rebuilding everything) for every bug in a rom- even the bugs properly reported with a log?
And I've yet to see any device from Sammy to HTC to lg or any device at all that's 100% stable - even on stock. And that's from companies that have software development teams.
And don't listen to those folks about getting an iPhone- that platform isn't 100% stable or perfect either. What you are looking for is a dumbphone.
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Yup.... Why keep rebuilding that 4 banger (ICS) when with the same amount of work you can drop in a V6 (jb 4.1). And the same when a V8 (jb 4.3) is available to drop in. Then the 4 and the 6 get scrapped for some extra beer money, and you tinker with the latest and greatest again.

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Haven't been on in awhile and I see an argument going on? C'mon guys. Okay, about maintaining ROMs, when maintaining there are nightly's based off the latest changes. The more changes lead to more better features (and maybe some bugs). Not all are stable. In fact, there is no such thing as a "fully stable" ROM. Even stock from Samsung isn't stable. And please, don't argue on here. Take it to PM or some other way to communicate. Not on here on a public thread. May I include, that I have an iPhone . Don't hate because the OS is not controllable. Its a nice OS and lots of great apps. But Android is specifacally better in my opinion. Don't hate me for that lol. Also, if you'd like to learn on how to dirty port a ROM just google it and let's see if you can make a "stable" ROM. Move on everyone. lol
Edit: I don't want the mods to come on here and waste their time. Keep it clean next time

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Haven't been on in awhile and I see an argument going on? C'mon guys. Okay, about maintaining ROMs, when maintaining there are nightly's based off the latest changes. The more changes lead to more better features (and maybe some bugs). Not all are stable. In fact, there is no such thing as a "fully stable" ROM. Even stock from Samsung isn't stable. And please, don't argue on here. Take it to PM or some other way to communicate. Not on here on a public thread. May I include, that I have an iPhone . Don't hate because the OS is not controllable. Its a nice OS and lots of great apps. But Android is specifacally better in my opinion. Don't hate me for that lol. Also, if you'd like to learn on how to dirty port a ROM just google it and let's see if you can make a "stable" ROM. Move on everyone. lol
Edit: I don't want the mods to come on here and waste their time. Keep it clean next time
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You're right. It's important to remember that no one here is under ANY obligation to share anything - roms, root, recoveries, mods, etc - with anyone. So lets just appreciate what we have. :thumbup:
Let's also get a mod to close this thread, nothing more good can come of it.

This trollfest has gone on long enough. The sheer amount of disrespect flying around astounds me. Read the rules folks.
Thread closed.