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[IDEA] - Developer should unite their ROMs

Hi,
I see that we have many many roms and 2 types of Sapphire (32B and 32A)
Now I have an idea to help users to install and change rom easierly.
Please read all idea before replying. Some ideas relate to others.​
1. All developer should make 2 choices : 32A rom or 32B rom
2. 32B rom have data/app_s. Running system application on flash memory is more stable and faster than running on ext partition sdcard
3. Recovery should have new feature : Wipe data except data/app_s
Amon_RA should add this feature in his recovery.
4. Developers should remove his own theme, 3rd application (which can download from market), moded application ... from rom, rom will be more stable and smaller
5. If developer want share his theme or moded application or add new feature, he should share extend update in an update_extend.zip on his topic. I suggest him to use 1 folder on sdcard and command *.sh file
If you used iPhone, you will see that moded FW of iPhone OS doesn't include theme, extend application (which can download from Appstore). Why can't we do that? I think almost people just want to find a stable rom without theme, without extend application

Some good ideas
+1 from me
Moar standardization pleez

Sounds like the OP is ill-informed, and wants an iPhone.

funbacon said:
4. Developers should remove his own theme, 3rd application (which can download from market), moded application ... from rom, rom will be more stable and smaller
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i've seen a few of these in the dream forum.
the developer releases the rom as a base package. ie. rom only, no (or very few customisations).
then add on packs are released to add 3rd party apps and customisations.
eg. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=538456
this developer has released 4 different roms. each one comes as a base rom that is rooted, and each rom also then has an expansion pack.
themes are then installed as separate downloads.
the post is also very clearly laid out. i wish more developers took the time to create such understandable threads.

Isn't this request cramping developer's style?
Yes that is what you may want. But at the end of the day, they are doing it out of their enjoyment. It's their project and they have free reign on what they do and when they do it. Out of shear good will developers share. Its not up to us to make requests on how things should be. Our roles is to be supportive and grateful for their contributions.
That's not to say your ideas aren't valid... perhaps just not entirely feasible.

ice_prophecy said:
Isn't this request cramping developer's style?
Yes that is what you may want. But at the end of the day, they are doing it out of their enjoyment. It's their project and they have free reign on what they do and when they do it. Out of shear good will developers share. Its not up to us to make requests on how things should be. Our roles is to be supportive and grateful for their contributions.
That's not to say your ideas aren't valid... perhaps just not entirely feasible.
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Good Say My friend

seems like a pretty simple request. but what was said earlier has merit as well, since it is really the developer's choice since its done for free.
but yeah, some sort of options like Enthomer is nice. But then again those updates made by AmonRa and Cyanogen is awesome as well. Fast, stable and useful.
Oh, and I strongly support the part on the way the threads are made. some are really easy to follow up on for change logs and stuff, some are messy.

funbacon said:
If you used iPhone, you will see that moded FW of iPhone OS doesn't include theme, extend application (which can download from Appstore). Why can't we do that? I think almost people just want to find a stable rom without theme, without extend application[/B]
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Search the board (and the Android Market) for MetaMorph which does exactly that.

+1
well, although 'm not a dev, but as users this idea is pretty workable. at least we had lesser unneccesary thread and will look more neat and tidy. thats what make xda more professional and classy. way to go devs. +1 to the idea.
thanks.

OP, good idea, but not everyone may think like you, including the DEVs. There is nothing wrong with what you are stating, but it has been mentioned before that different DEVs want to work on different things; some people want to be unique.
One more thing, can you please not use the word should so much, please?
My wife uses it all the time..."you should clean this" " you should go here" " you should say this". thanks.

ice_prophecy said:
Isn't this request cramping developer's style?
Yes that is what you may want. But at the end of the day, they are doing it out of their enjoyment. It's their project and they have free reign on what they do and when they do it. Out of shear good will developers share. Its not up to us to make requests on how things should be. Our roles is to be supportive and grateful for their contributions.
That's not to say your ideas aren't valid... perhaps just not entirely feasible.
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Agreed. Although some of the requests are somewhat reasonable, it's up to the devs to decide what they want to do with their free time and they are dedicating so much of it to making such great contributions to begin with.

We're not paying for the dev's services, so i dont think we have much pull on how they design their ROMS (nor should we)
I think if you want a specific ROM a specific way. YOU should be learning how to code and cook ROMS for yourself.

OzJD said:
Sounds like the OP is ill-informed, and wants an iPhone.
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Read and lol'd. This is probably pretty close to the truth.

Well I for one salute the OP for finally taking a stand and telling the devs what we really want. After all it is all about ME and what I want and they should bloody well be grateful that I even bother to tell them what is wrong with their work, and they should fix it faster. I am a busy guy and can't be bothered to figure out this stuff for myself....
If any of that even vaguely resonates with you... here is a very small clue, completely free of charge...
The devs do this work for their own reasons. Some do it for the challenge, some do it for fun, some do it because they want something different, some do it for the glory. However, they all share it and make the results of their hard work available for the benefit of us end user types. Many even provide free support and hand holding, answering the same questions over and over.
You can politely ask for things to change. If you structure your request well enough and it makes sense, some devs may see the benefit and change. Others will not. Trying to dictate standards of documentation, presentation, features, or packaging just is not going to work, and quite frankly why should it. They are not doing it for you, you are just benefiting as a side effect of them being willing to release their work.
I am sure if you were willing to pay regular software developer rates for a particular feature set, you could find folks willing to accommodate you. Unless you are willing to do that, consider that you already get far more than you pay for.

rydr1 said:
OP, good idea, but not everyone may think like you, including the DEVs. There is nothing wrong with what you are stating, but it has been mentioned before that different DEVs want to work on different things; some people want to be unique.
One more thing, can you please not use the word should so much, please?
My wife uses it all the time..."you should clean this" " you should go here" " you should say this". thanks.
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I'm Vietnamese and my English is not good. I just know saying " you should do something" is better than saying "you have to do something" or "you must to do something"

ice_prophecy said:
Isn't this request cramping developer's style?
Yes that is what you may want. But at the end of the day, they are doing it out of their enjoyment. It's their project and they have free reign on what they do and when they do it. Out of shear good will developers share. Its not up to us to make requests on how things should be. Our roles is to be supportive and grateful for their contributions.
That's not to say your ideas aren't valid... perhaps just not entirely feasible.
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So I guess we should also stop giving developers suggestions and bug reports, because who wants to fix bugs for enjoyment? I disagree quite a lot with your post; it is in fact our role to make requests. How are ROMs supposed to get better without the input of its users? You completely contradict yourself by saying that we should not "make requests" but we should "be supportive," because by making requests, you are being supportive. By trying to better the project, you are being far more supportive than a silent user.
It's not like funbacon's suggestion has malicious intent. Neither is he trying to dictate what devs should and should not do. You don't have to agree with all of his points, but dismissing the whole thing because of one point, or the fact that he referenced the iPhone, is stupid. It's a suggestion, which most of you have said is a good idea, yet don't think it should be incorporated because... of the vocabulary used? Or maybe it's some other reason, but I have yet to see another valid reason.
Will this work in practice? That's another discussion. But I believe having some standards and general guidelines will be immensely helpful and make it simpler to try different ROMs.
Rydr1, you need counseling. Or a divorce.

bjtheone said:
Well I for one salute the OP for finally taking a stand and telling the devs what we really want. After all it is all about ME and what I want and they should bloody well be grateful that I even bother to tell them what is wrong with their work, and they should fix it faster. I am a busy guy and can't be bothered to figure out this stuff for myself....
If any of that even vaguely resonates with you... here is a very small clue, completely free of charge...
The devs do this work for their own reasons. Some do it for the challenge, some do it for fun, some do it because they want something different, some do it for the glory. However, they all share it and make the results of their hard work available for the benefit of us end user types. Many even provide free support and hand holding, answering the same questions over and over.
You can politely ask for things to change. If you structure your request well enough and it makes sense, some devs may see the benefit and change. Others will not. Trying to dictate standards of documentation, presentation, features, or packaging just is not going to work, and quite frankly why should it. They are not doing it for you, you are just benefiting as a side effect of them being willing to release their work.
I am sure if you were willing to pay regular software developer rates for a particular feature set, you could find folks willing to accommodate you. Unless you are willing to do that, consider that you already get far more than you pay for.
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So... all the developers here make ROMs for themselves, but are nice enough to post it for everyone else to use?
Wow, haha. What a distorted view you have there. (Most?) developers aren't as selfish as you think they are. Developers make ROMs so the people who visit this forum can benefit from them, or at least that's the general reason. Why do you think they release updates often to fix bugs or add new functionality, or address issues and suggestions brought up by users?
Or, if I were to look at it from your point of view: users are just tools that devs use to make their ROM better.
Yeah, no. You shouldn't think so lowly of devs here. They should be appreciated, you know.

1.I will say that i've had android since day 1 and funbacon was around at that time to. helping and making changes himself to certain roms and apks etc...and helped other people, so he shouldnt be treated as a noob that doesnt know what he is talking about or that he is whining because that is not the case.
2. He made a suggestion that has to do with development and posted in the correct spot and he still hears **** from it? when there are people posting in deveoplment forums that has nothing to do it " what rom is the best, or what phone should i buy" and they dont get as much **** as your handing to someone that made a DEVELOPMENT suggestion and a good one. in the correct section. so people shouldnt be downing him for his work/suggestions
p.s funbacon...nice to see you around again

funbacon said:
I'm Vietnamese and my English is not good. I just know saying " you should do something" is better than saying "you have to do something" or "you must to do something"
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No, funbacon, you took it wrong. Im just kidding about using that word. there is nothing wrong with you using it, there is something wrong with my wife using it.
I was just adding a little fun to the thread.

(Calling The Whole Community) - Creation of The Ultimate Rom - (The Community Rom)

Hey Plz read this a creation of a community rom you should be thinking what well:
I am thinking of the creation of the rom called "The Ultimate Rom" for G1/MT3G and hope it also moves onto newer phones as you can see the G1/MT3G is starting to fade as the newer phones begin to be born and because of this I believe we should make a community rom where not only the devs can join in but the community weather it be graphics to sounds I believe we all should be able to join in so I would like to get some help on making it come true I believe there should be a rom we as the community should be happy for that we all chipped in and made something truly amazing ^^
PS: And mods plz don't delete this for being in the Dev section I believe it is about Devs and I would like you to be part of this rom as well ^^
Hoping to start 4th of july so getting everyone ready to put stuff in or ready for it to start ^^
0o ill list down every single person no matter how big this gets up till july 4th and after july 4th and even testing is fine ^^
If it works or not at least we would had tried and at least even if we do fail we have gained knowledge, experience and had fun
A POLL WILL BE MADE TOMORROW SO THE COMMUNITY CAN CHOOSE WHAT THEY WANT ^^ AND ANY OTHER NEW ADDED STUFF THERE WILL BE A LIST TO ADD TO ^^

/sigh
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xillius200 said:
Hey Plz read this a creation of a community rom you should be thinking what well:
I am thinking of the creation of the rom called "The Ultimate Rom" for G1/MT3G and hope it also moves onto newer phones as you can see the G1/MT3G is starting to fade as the newer phones begin to be born and because of this I believe we should make a community rom where not only the devs can join in but the community weather it be graphics to sounds I believe we all should be able to join in so I would like to get some help on making it come true I believe there should be a rom we as the community should be happy for that we all chipped in and made something truly amazing ^^
PS: And mods plz don't delete this for being in the Dev section I believe it is about Devs and I would like you to be part of this rom as well ^^
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OMG #FAIL haha j/k LOL, count me in of course

kingklick said:
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lol dude don't be a jerk i've had my fame with speedteam and zachattacks and xillius rom lol I think the community should get there chance ^^ and we need it while we can won't be long till g1/mt3g is gone we should make something to rememberer

xillius200 said:
lol dude don't be a jerk i've had my fame with speedteam and zachattacks and xillius rom lol I think the community should get there chance ^^ and we need it while we can won't be long till g1/mt3g is gone we should make something to rememberer
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It's funny how he always comes back to G1/Mytouch Forums Update his roms with already released things, renames them and then asks for money for a mytouch slide... He is using the community to get him new phones... Anyway back on subject
Got like 4 people now 5 almost

XxKOLOHExX said:
It's funny how he always comes back to G1/Mytouch Forums Update his roms with already released things, renames them and then asks for money for a mytouch slide... He is using the community to get him new phones... Anyway back on subject
Got like 4 people now 5 almost
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yep lol hopefully as much as possible ^^

XxKOLOHExX said:
It's funny how he always comes back to G1/Mytouch Forums Update his roms with already released things, renames them and then asks for money for a mytouch slide... He is using the community to get him new phones...
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(giggles)
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I can't help..but I'll test anything that pops off

Please. We've been down this road before. When the glory and satisfaction of solo or small team ROMs isn't in play, development suffers. We need creative individuals pushing the limits to advance the scene, and unless they have their name on the ROM, things will slow down. This goes for life (free enterprise vs. socialism) and ROM dev.
Also, keep in mind, all the ROMs are community! There are thousands of man-hours of work already in every aspect of Android. The ROMs we see build on all that. This is a solution in search of a problem.

ytj87 said:
Please. We've been down this road before. When the glory and satisfaction of solo or small team ROMs isn't in play, development suffers. We need creative individuals pushing the limits to advance the scene, and unless they have their name on the ROM, things will slow down. This goes for life (free enterprise vs. socialism) and ROM dev.
Also, keep in mind, all the ROMs are community! There are thousands of man-hours of work already in every aspect of Android. The ROMs we see build on all that. This is a solution in search of a problem.
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lol I have created over 7 successful roms some in a small team others in a big team lol and it worked out xD and I would disagree check I left a bit ago about a month if that lol and no everyone should get a chance not just one person thats just selfish also I think if one big rom is made we can keep some G1/MT3G users for longer lol we need something new and exciting can't you see that ^^ well whatever you say I will try and continue this IDK if it will work or not THE THING IS EVERYONE WOULD HAVE FUN TRYING ^^

If you are serious about this, I think it's a dumb idea. The best thing about having a rooted Android phone is that you can choose whatever ROM suits you.
Personally, I want a fast Donut ROM. I don't care for all the extra bells and whistles in SuperD/CM4/etc and I don't have any interest in running an Eclair ROM as I don't think they perform well enough on our phones. Given the popularity of OpenEclair/SuperE/CM5, there are obviously other people who feel differently and I expect a vast number of people here wouldn't switch back to Donut if you paid them.
There will never be "The Ultimate ROM" because everyone's needs and wants are different. Just let devs make what they will and let users choose what they want.

i have very little experience in the overall creation of the rom, however i am very willing to learn more and would jump at the opportunity to be of any help, if someone was willing to show me a little bit of how this all works i am positive i can be of great help.

To me I could care less about credit.... I rather help where I can then be selfish... Knowledge isn't a competition, it is a struggle as a group I would love to learn what I don't and Help others where I can Ego is the one thing that could destroy this project ...

SpeedTeam is there whenever you need us....Right K =)

Super Jamie said:
If you are serious about this, I think it's a dumb idea. The best thing about having a rooted Android phone is that you can choose whatever ROM suits you.
Personally, I want a fast Donut ROM. I don't care for all the extra bells and whistles in SuperD/CM4/etc and I don't have any interest in running an Eclair ROM as I don't think they perform well enough on our phones. Given the popularity of OpenEclair/SuperE/CM5, there are obviously other people who feel differently and I expect a vast number of people here wouldn't switch back to Donut if you paid them.
There will never be "The Ultimate ROM" because everyone's needs and wants are different. Just let devs make what they will and let users choose what they want.
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with code much is possible you can change your rom by the tick of a button or tap of a button wysie has shown us this and cyan making a rom possible to suite most of course not all people by some options and extra features of choice can be done ^^

christiansantana51 said:
SpeedTeam is there whenever you need us....Right K =)
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Agreed LMFAO but isn't he in SpeedTeam lmfao **SPEEDTEAM FORCES ACTIVATE!*** LMFAO!

XxKOLOHExX said:
To me I could care less about credit.... I rather help where I can then be selfish... Knowledge isn't a competition, it is a struggle as a group I would love to learn what I don't and Help others where I can Ego is the one thing that could destroy this project ...
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and what K said is exactly right also android was opensource as a group project so are you saying that because android was a group project it was a fail I think not

xillius200 said:
Hey Plz read this a creation of a community rom you should be thinking what well:
I am thinking of the creation of the rom called "The Ultimate Rom" for G1/MT3G and hope it also moves onto newer phones as you can see the G1/MT3G is starting to fade as the newer phones begin to be born and because of this I believe we should make a community rom where not only the devs can join in but the community weather it be graphics to sounds I believe we all should be able to join in so I would like to get some help on making it come true I believe there should be a rom we as the community should be happy for that we all chipped in and made something truly amazing ^^
PS: And mods plz don't delete this for being in the Dev section I believe it is about Devs and I would like you to be part of this rom as well ^^
Hoping to start 4th of july so getting everyone ready to put stuff in or ready for it to start ^^
0o ill list down every single person no matter how big this gets up till july 4th and after july 4th and even testing is fine ^^
If it works or not at least we would had tried and at least even if we do fail we have gained knowledge, experience and had fun
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I swear, when I read this, it sounded like you died from lack of oxygen at the end. Please, for the sake of readers, could you use punctuation? Throw a few commas and periods in there.
As for the idea, I would flash a beta version or two, but I can't see this working out as well as some might hope. There will always be disagreements. Some people want 2.1, others, 1.6. Some like SenseUI, and others don't. Words like "perfect" and "ultimate" are very subjective to whoever reads them.
Good idea, probably very hard to execute. Good luck.

NViouz said:
I swear, when I read this, it sounded like you died from lack of oxygen at the end. Please, for the sake of readers, could you use punctuation? Throw a few commas and periods in there.
As for the idea, I would flash a beta version or two, but I can't see this working out as well as some might hope. There will always be disagreements. Some people want 2.1, others, 1.6. Some like SenseUI, and others don't. Words like "perfect" and "ultimate" are very subjective to whoever reads them.
Good idea, probably very hard to execute. Good luck.
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lol thanks dude ^^ hopefully there must someway to make a script for downgrade and upgrade without losing data etc. I wish it is possible lol well something good may come of this rom ^^

I'd be willing to help out aesthetically.

a new keyboard

i was looking though the touch wiz sys dump and i liked the keyboard so i put it in an update format. Just flash it, i gurantee youll like it. If not just remove it. I included the lwp as well that were posted earlier the lwp from it too, they work great on the phone though, I need someone to test it for me, cus swype is a pain to remove w/o wiping, and i already have all this on my phone. you just need to flash it like a rom. It contains 4lwp and 1keyboard app and their libs...dl the new lwp and kb HERE ​

Any chance of just getting the KB?
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App

Screen shot?

installed and i opens but will not work, as in i can swype but no words show up in the box. oh well
it also installs like 5 live wallpapers

Yeah only regular tap input works.
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driguez said:
Any chance of just getting the KB?
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App
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just rip it out of the zip
ocelot4ark said:
Screen shot?
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no time, sorry. you can rip them out and just install though, just make sure you take the lib files that go with them in your libs folder and the apps in your sys/app or data/app folder.
brock1909 said:
installed and i opens but will not work, as in i can swype but no words show up in the box. oh well
it also installs like 5 live wallpapers
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thanks for testing it and the quick feedback. i stated that it included the lwps in the op. they are from the new touch wiz dump. Ill check to see whats up with swype, just figured id throw it out there for those that didnt see this stuff yet....also, did you remove your old swype completely? or did you not have it? cus its VERY hard to get rid of.....just wondering so i can fix if something wrong.

MrDSL said:
Yeah only regular tap input works.
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sorry about that, and thanks.ok, soon as i get home ill post a link to a really sweet htc skinned swype mod. i use the red one in my newest rom, but the green one is slick too. im going to hang out for a little bit, when i get back ill put it up, and just take it out of the other one and ill mess with it, since its a full version.....

Let me see if I can accurately decipher this thread:
You saw something you liked, but didn't test it because its too much work to uninstall what you already have but that's ok because you already have it installed so you need someone else to take a blind leap of faith and install something you "gurantee" they'll like but if they don't that's ok too because they can just uninstall it (which really they can't do easily) but if you want to see what it is in the first place tough luck because you're out and about and have no time to post a screenshot for your own quasi-release?
If I were Canadian, I'd add "Eh?" at the end of that.
I strongly recommend that if you want to be taken seriously, you put a little more thought into your release posts. I applaud you for taking the time to share with the community, but frivolous posting of root-level patches without some form of quality control on your part could lead to a dangerous precedent of buggy and/or malicious code being introduced in the same channels.
I know you probably have the communities best interest at heart, but holding yourself to a higher standard keeps the bar high for the rest of those issuing releases to demonstrate an aptitude for solid documentation so people know precisely what to expect from dedicated contributors.
Good Luck!

VSack said:
Let me see if I can accurately decipher this thread:
You saw something you liked, but didn't test it because its too much work to uninstall what you already have but that's ok because you already have it installed so you need someone else to take a blind leap of faith and install something you "gurantee" they'll like but if they don't that's ok too because they can just uninstall it (which really they can't do easily) but if you want to see what it is in the first place tough luck because you're out and about and have no time to post a screenshot for your own quasi-release?
If I were Canadian, I'd add "Eh?" at the end of that.
I strongly recommend that if you want to be taken seriously, you put a little more thought into your release posts. I applaud you for taking the time to share with the community, but frivolous posting of root-level patches without some form of quality control on your part could lead to a dangerous precedent of buggy and/or malicious code being introduced in the same channels.
I know you probably have the communities best interest at heart, but holding yourself to a higher standard keeps the bar high for the rest of those issuing releases to demonstrate an aptitude for solid documentation so people know precisely what to expect from dedicated contributors.
Good Luck!
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Do you really think i need YOU or ANYONE else to take ME seriously? my work speaks for itself, i could care less what you think of me, but just dont be disrespectful or snotty about it when you obviously have no clue as to what i do, if you say " which really they can't do easily" when you are speaking about removing a single app.I take it youve never been to dev? cus thats what ive been doing for the past 3 days, is working on my last rom. Then when i finish something that takes more than a day i take a break. I am not a developer nor have i ever claimed to be one.i have many contributions to the site,and taken a **** ton of time making sure my theads for them are maintained and everything i work on i support. Not a blind leap of faith, i have many pps that ASK to test for me because i dont have time to when im working. I have a 8mo old and fiance to take care of as well, this cannot be my ENTIRE life(though i might enjoy that)ive been asked permission to port 4 of my roms to other devices, and about 100 pps i talk to on a regular basis,you can talk to that will tell you another story about what I can DO. ? is what can YOU do? and WHY would you be ragging on someone who makes regular contributions to the site to help members enjoy their newest hardware just a little bit more? you want to see more go to hero-cdma and tell me some more about quality control. Search my name, check out a few of my mod threads both visually and contextually and then read what you just wrote one more time.....by the way, your a very good writer. You should be a reporter for national enquirer if you feel compelled to post again, can you please remain a little more on topic and a little less on me.....thanks
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Thanks for this magnusragnarok! Any chance you could try to get an update zip with the t9 ime in the i9000 dump? I'm curious to see how the Sammy virtual keyboard looks. Also, that guy apparently doesn't realize how big of an asset you've been to the hero and evo communities. Keep up the great work!

MagnusRagnarok said:
Do you really think i need YOU or ANYONE else to take ME seriously? my work speaks for itself, i could care less what you think of me, but just dont be disrespectful or snotty about it when you obviously have no clue as to what i do, if you say " which really they can't do easily" when you are speaking about removing a single app.I take it youve never been to dev? cus thats what ive been doing for the past 3 days, is working on my last rom. Then when i finish something that takes more than a day i take a break. I am not a developer nor have i ever claimed to be one.i have many contributions to the site,and taken a **** ton of time making sure my theads for them are maintained and everything i work on i support. Not a blind leap of faith, i have many pps that ASK to test for me because i dont have time to when im working. I have a 8mo old and fiance to take care of as well, this cannot be my ENTIRE life(though i might enjoy that)ive been asked permission to port 4 of my roms to other devices, and about 100 pps i talk to on a regular basis,you can talk to that will tell you another story about what I can DO. ? is what can YOU do? and WHY would you be ragging on someone who makes regular contributions to the site to help members enjoy their newest hardware just a little bit more? you want to see more go to hero-cdma and tell me some more about quality control. Search my name, check out a few of my mod threads both visually and contextually and then read what you just wrote one more time.....by the way, your a very good writer. You should be a reporter for national enquirer if you feel compelled to post again, can you please remain a little more on topic and a little less on me.....thanks
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GAHHHHHH MY EYEEESSS!!!!!
Comic sans?! Seriously?

maxinspace said:
Thanks for this magnusragnarok! Any chance you could try to get an update zip with the t9 ime in the i9000 dump? I'm curious to see how the Sammy virtual keyboard looks. Also, that guy apparently doesn't realize how big of an asset you've been to the hero and evo communities. Keep up the great work!
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lemme check that out. i completely overlooked it. pretty sure i can. i can use all the practice i can get, i just have to rm it from the dump and find the libs that go with it, should be just like ours though. Ill pm you once i get it, then ill put it up if anyone else wants it. You have any screenies? just wondering what im workin for
zeuzinn said:
GAHHHHHH MY EYEEESSS!!!!!
Comic sans?! Seriously?
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SERIOUSLY, why whould you make it 2wice as bad by requoting the entire post in ITALICS? GOOD JOB. PLEASE try to remain on topic, this is a thread about a kb and the touch wiz lwp i put together in one update for everyones convenience, not about my choice of font and color. If we were not allowed the choice we would not have it available to us.

If you took a moment to actually absorb what I posted, you would recognize I did not besmirch your contributions, but was offering a point of constructive criticism.
Regardless of the quality or lack thereof of your "releases", your posts are plagued with you getting into flame wars with people because you feel like you have to defend yourself against any form of critique you don't agree with.
But hey, if you have five people who think your work is on par with some of those that I have donated to, by all means cater to that denominator. I'll gladly keep my feedback to myself and save it for someone who can handle dialogue with a little more class.
PS: Geocities is dead. You should let the single-paragraph-don't-have-time-to-run-auto-spellcheck-let's-use-teal-this-time-on-large-comic-sans-font-smash-your-forehead-on-the-keyboard-to-select-punctation diatribes die with it.

VSack said:
If you took a moment to actually absorb what I posted, you would recognize I did not besmirch your contributions, but was offering a point of constructive criticism.
Regardless of the quality or lack thereof of your "releases", your posts are plagued with you getting into flame wars with people because you feel like you have to defend yourself against any form of critique you don't agree with.
But hey, if you have five people who think your work is on par with some of those that I have donated to, by all means cater to that denominator. I'll gladly keep my feedback to myself and save it for someone who can handle dialogue with a little more class.
PS: Geocities is dead. You should let the single-paragraph-don't-have-time-to-run-auto-spellcheck-let's-use-teal-this-time-on-large-comic-sans-font-smash-your-forehead-on-the-keyboard-to-select-punctation diatribes die with it.
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7posts? are you trying to offend me or make me laugh?not sure why youre so quick to bash strangers.please remain on topic or avoid posting. this is not a debate, merely a thread for another one of my contributions. Thank you

Make Dfgas a recognized dev you idiots!!!!!!!

i know i havnt been around in a while, but that because we got complete morons making the decisions around xda!!!
Dfgas has been working his ass off to get heinz_57 and MIUI working perfectly on our phones but for some jacked up reason, the dumbasses here that call the shots keep rejecting his recognized dev status that he is applying for...wtf xda!!! major fail! I have watched dfgas go from just flashing ****, to making ROMs that we all enjoy so im making this petition to get dfgas the status he deserves, and if he dont get it...then xda can go straight to hell!!!! thats right xda...to hell wuth you if you morons cant give people what they deserve for their hard work around here!!!!
give dfgas recognized developer status!!!

Make dfgas a recognized developer. I have not had anything but positive experiences from him or any of his work. He definately deserves the credit.

Im with ya Tator, give it to him or there's gonna be alot jump ship from here to other sites. That is the ones that haven't already left. He deserves it. He has really done some incredible **** for the mesmerize and showcase. So show some respect and give him the status he deserves. And if you don't. At least let us on what the protocol is to get that status. What does one have to do to get it?

Agree here also

I rely on his experience and knowledge every day. Once a week I'm looking for the next Miui port. Just this week he released two updates to tweak the build to run better, but all the while building Gingerheinz and Heinz57. For him not to get dev status is absolutely insane. I, for along with many others have already made the switch to Rootzwiki and other sites. If XDA gets their shot straight they may be able to salvage what users are willing to come back.

I'll say this, I've done my fair share of porting theme's/rom's, it's definitely not easy to learn and it is a bit of work to get the job done, and there are certain benefits that the recognized developer status would bring such an individual (the ability to open/close your own threads, etc.) however, I was also turned down as recognized developer when I applied awhile back. I personally don't consider myself a dev, but when I was porting themes consistently and having to update them, it would have been of benefit to me. After I got the denial I thought about it and it made sense to me that they wouldn't consider my work true development, since I was simply porting others work and didn't have anything really original that I was maintaining. (I believe they mention giving the developer a webpage to display their original work for example)
Dfgas does great work, and of course we all appreciate it, it's been a fun learning process for all of us to get to this point and without everyone in our IRC chat we wouldn't even be where we are today. But I do understand why he was turned down, and honestly I don't think the fix is to cry out and complain about it, I think the system could use some improvement to include individuals that are denied due to mostly "developing" and porting existing work/themers (why no love for the themers?). There is a definite need for this type of work to help spread the awesomeness that other individuals come up with, for all to enjoy, and if it wasn't for certain people stepping up and doing what's required to get it working on a different model, we would be left in the dark.
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agreed dfgas does great work.

dfgas FOR RECOGNIZED DEV!!!!!
I guess some people are just blind and can't see the amazing work he does (heinz froyo, heinz gingerbread, even gets us miui.) But then again, being blind is why so many devs are leaving this site

i4get75 said:
I rely on his experience and knowledge every day? Once a week I'm looking for the next Miui port. Just this week he released two updates to tweak the build to run better, but all the while building Gingerheinz and Heinz57. For him not to get dev status is absolutely insane. I, for along with many others have already made the switch to Rootzwiki and other sites. If XDA gets their shot straight they may be able to salvage what users are willing to come back.
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Amen Brother.....give dfgas recognized developer status!!!

+1, he deserves it.
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Either way he is and has been a developer in my eyes for quite some time now.
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+1
+1 Deserves it.
I've already started to use Rootzwiki more -- seems XDA has weird/confused priorities.
- Scott

Make dfgas a recognized dev
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+1
for dfgas being recognised as a developer

There appears to be a big gap in the requirements it takes to be classified as a Dev.
Please review & update these requirements and grant Dfgas our Dev status.
Kindest regards.
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I found XDA when I was searching for information on how to Root my new phone, the Mesmerize. I knew nothing and I mean Nothing about changing things to make my phone better and more versatile. This site was a Godsend and so are people like Bd Martino, Phidelt,dfgas,BakedTator and many, many others. I don't understand your requirements for Dev Status. All along I thought Phidelt was a developer and was shocked A) He wasn't,B) he was denied Dev status and now I'm shocked you've denied dfgas. He has done great "Development" for the Mesmerize and tons of people rely upon and look forward to his work. I believe he deserves Dev Status and I also believe the Mesmerize community deserves more respect. Have a nice Day.

BakedTator said:
i know i havnt been around in a while, but that because we got complete morons making the decisions around xda!!!
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Here, here brother! XDA has gone to ****. I feel like its a kids playhouse now.
Give the son of a ***** developer status.
sneader said:
I've already started to use Rootzwiki more -- seems XDA has weird/confused priorities.
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It does, trust me.
For example, forum rules state that you are not to post anything vulgar on the forum. However in the XDA Noob Video (that you oddly have to "agree" to having viewed in order to register for the site now) cusses twice in it, including using the word ****. Makes a lot of sense right? And the video actually covers the fact to not post anything vulgar and not to swear immediately after saying the word ****. It actually says, "Following the ****ing forum rules. No swearing."
It also mocks "noobs" and calls them losers. I would get a damn infraction from a mod if I called someone a loser.
Like who is running this ****? Monkeys?

Dfgas is a valuable contributor to the mesmerize and showcase development community, he really does deserve recognition for his hard work and time put into it. Please give him the status that he should have!

My question is: How DOESN'T he qualify for a 'recognized developer' status? He has one helluva case for this title. I can understand why he wouldn't be considered for porting Miui, but Heinz 57 and GingerHeinz? It may contain a variety of components made by others, but ultimately he combined all of those elements with his own. He named it, he maintains it, and of course offers his own personal support for it. I ask again HOW DOESN'T HE DESERVE THIS?
Please review your decision and make this right.

+1 He deserves it!

Undead is leaving the MT4GS

FYI.
Think what you want about the guy, he kept ROMs moving when there was only two guys working on our device. I for one will miss his work. He pushed development away from shades of stock and in interesting directions. He is moving to a Samsung Galaxy S Epic II.
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Coug76 said:
FYI.
Think what you want about the guy, he kept ROMs moving when there was only two guys working on our device. I for one will miss his work. He pushed development away from shades of stock and in interesting directions. He is moving to a Samsung Galaxy S Epic II.
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He might have been the King of Kang, but he did some good stuff with the phone. Dem ROMs.

That's a bummer, I know a lot of people enjoyed his work. I however will not miss his attitude, I stopped using any of his work months ago because of the way he talked to people. I much prefer to support Blue, because he is very helpful, and approachable, and is always respectful. I am bummed for the people who enjoyed Undead's work though.

yellowjacket1981 said:
That's a bummer, I know a lot of people enjoyed his work. I however will not miss his attitude, I stopped using any of his work months ago because of the way he talked to people. I much prefer to support Blue, because he is very helpful, and approachable, and is always respectful. I am bummed for the people who enjoyed Undead's work though.
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Being a developer is stressful. I for one would have his same attitude if I was a developer. He did have a bad attitude at times but he supported his work to the fullest. No other dev for DS can say that.
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Who cares about his attitude?
I've never encountered him acting out on anyone, granted I've only been in this community for the past few weeks or so, but does that matter?
He was great at making roms, and graciously released his work to all of us. He even kept up a great update schedule. Devs are not here to be your friend or guidance counselor. And they also have no obligation of being nice to anyone. Releasing their work to everyone is nice in itself.

gtmaster303 said:
Who cares about his attitude?
I've never encountered him acting out on anyone, granted I've only been in this community for the past few weeks or so, but does that matter?
He was great at making roms, and graciously released his work to all of us. He even kept up a great update schedule. Devs are not here to be your friend or guidance counselor. And they also have no obligation of being nice to anyone. Releasing their work to everyone is nice in itself.
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It is my right to think he had a bad attitude and boycott his work. I also didn't like him cutting out common features from a rom just to make it faster, when this device is already fast enough for anything I need it to do, so I choose to use something else. I think no matter what anyone does, they can be respectful when talking to people. That doesn't mean being a friend or guidance counselor, it just means being respectful. Also there were other issues that caused him to get banned from xda, so I am not the only one who has an issue with the guy (just sayin').

Anytime a dev leaves a community, it's generally a bad thing.
I totally respect the fact that he put a lot of time and energy into building these ROMs, however, I never really felt like he *owned* any. Most developers tend to build a ROM that they use, and improve it. Undead built like a bazillion ROMS, and I never felt like he really personally used/supported any of his creations.

yellowjacket1981 said:
It is my right to think he had a bad attitude and boycott his work. I also didn't like him cutting out common features from a rom just to make it faster, when this device is already fast enough for anything I need it to do, so I choose to use something else. I think no matter what anyone does, they can be respectful when talking to people. That doesn't mean being a friend or guidance counselor, it just means being respectful. Also there were other issues that caused him to get banned from xda, so I am not the only one who has an issue with the guy (just sayin').
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Of course it is your right. I never said it wasn't. And as I said before, I've never seen him act out.
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Anytime a dev leaves a community, it's generally a bad thing.
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+1
Every time.

I think the biggest impact would be to out counterparts in the rootzwiki. Without him, I think that forum is gonna go quite... quiet.
Meanwhile, I don't think it's a good idea for members in this community to be flaming at each other--we're supposed to support each other, aren't we?
It sucks that he left (here and mt4gs in general) - whether we regard him as king kang, or DS's savior, but we'll have to move on. I'm probably gonna write him a PM over at rootz saying thanks for his contribution for MT4GS later today.

You know, I couldn't help but chime in here; I'm a freelance developer, and don't get to develop a lot for anything but work. So this brings me to a short manifesto (sorry I'm a marxist and I like to use the word when I can), even though it's just a list of observations I want to share:
1) No 'community' is better without someone [I hesitated to say anyone ]
1a) I feel this attitude is such a contradiction to the intent of
open-source. In other words, open-source, just not open-attitude.
1b) I'm not trying to be insulting, but I find it funny you
comment on the red-herring of someone's age, when I would think
someone closer to my age (I'm gathering you too are a gainfully employed
adult; we'll just say closer to 40 than 30 =) )...so I try to liken it to
working with people you don't necessarily like; caveat here is no ones
making a lot of/any money, so try to be a little more appreciative and
a little less judgmental (think off all these peeps work as a favor). Which
brings me to...
1c) "...he got into deving for this phone for the wrong reasons. This was
inevitable. I'm surprised he stuck THIS long." We need to get together
and start a business if u can read minds, and what the "wrong reasons"
for learning rom development might be...well I'll be thinking
on that one for a while
2) Is this even verified? I'm about to PM him and ask....he's been nothing
but polite and cordgial from what I've seen.
3) "That is the kind of quip Undead would regularly let go. And why???
Completely unnecessary." Ever occur to you that the community(YOU)
should complain about the post and get it removed? If it's that
bad it will be?
3a) Personally, I'd rather devs work on what they do best, bringing
us great ROM's!
3b) Maybe the community needs to police itself a little, your post
seemed to be pointless, IMHO; I mean, apparently you don't like
this guy, but I bet you use his $hit.
EDIT: Confirmed, he's finishing up some of his current stuff and moving on to another device...even mentioned the XDA rift as one of the reasons...guess you can make software open-source, but peoples' attitudes are just as big a barrier.
That's all...soap box is someone else's now

shanigami said:
You know, I couldn't help but chime in here; I'm a freelance developer, and don't get to develop a lot for anything but work. So this brings me to a short manifesto (sorry I'm a marxist and I like to use the word when I can), even though it's just a list of observations I want to share:
1) No 'community' is better without someone [I hesitated to say anyone ]
1a) I feel this attitude is such a contradiction to the intent of
open-source. In other words, open-source, just not open-attitude.
1b) I'm not trying to be insulting, but I find it funny you
comment on the red-herring of someone's age, when I would think
someone closer to my age (I'm gathering you too are a gainfully employed
adult; we'll just say closer to 40 than 30 =) )...so I try to liken it to
working with people you don't necessarily like; caveat here is no ones
making a lot of/any money, so try to be a little more appreciative and
a little less judgmental (think off all these peeps work as a favor). Which
brings me to...
1c) "...he got into deving for this phone for the wrong reasons. This was
inevitable. I'm surprised he stuck THIS long." We need to get together
and start a business if u can read minds, and what the "wrong reasons"
for learning rom development might be...well I'll be thinking
on that one for a while
2) Is this even verified? I'm about to PM him and ask....he's been nothing
but polite and cordgial from what I've seen.
3) "That is the kind of quip Undead would regularly let go. And why???
Completely unnecessary." Ever occur to you that the community(YOU)
should complain about the post and get it removed? If it's that
bad it will be?
3a) Personally, I'd rather devs work on what they do best, bringing
us great ROM's!
3b) Maybe the community needs to police itself a little, your post
seemed to be pointless, IMHO; I mean, apparently you don't like
this guy, but I bet you use his $hit.
EDIT: Confirmed, he's finishing up some of his current stuff and moving on to another device...even mentioned the XDA rift as one of the reasons...guess you can make software open-source, but peoples' attitudes are just as big a barrier.
That's all...soap box is someone else's now
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Wow. I'm impressed. That was very well said. FYI @_atlien_ I'm 27. I just got no patients for peoples stupidity. I pmed undeadk9 a long message. Thanking him for the time he did develop for us. Also @_atlien_ It is YOUR attitude and YOUR Stupidity asking bout unmarrying android and Google was by far the most stupid request I've even seen on any forum. YOU bring out the worst in people. Just saying. Rather then pointing fingers at undead why don't you look in the mirror. When people ask stupid questions it tends to piss off people. The community would actually be better off without YOU. Not undeadk9.
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AndroidBotx said:
wait wait wait...aren't you the same idiot who thought it was a good idea to "unmarry" android and Google? Lmfao. You might as well just keep your mouth shut. You got zero creditibilty in this discussion. I'm not even a dev and I know its not possible.
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Don't worry buddy, I've reported you
Technically it is possible to a certain extent. Just don't install any gapps

Ive never even seen anything undead released, i just got this phone last weekend, anyways its always sad to see a developer leave the scene, i come from the evo shift forums and we had some good development but nothing was updated and maintained there was always a new release that never seen updates, and i stepped up and did everything i could for them, and it was a very rewarding adventure....btw never sell anyone short because you all just got a couple new users than can dev a bit lol
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