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What happened to XDA?

I realize this isn't the most correct place to post this, but apparently, everyone should read this.
I've been involved with the xda modding community for over 4 years. When I came to xda-devs, the iphone didn't exist. Android didn't exist. WebOS didn't exist. If you wanted a "smart phone" your choices were PalmOS, Pocket PC, and a few Symbian based offerings. It's quite possible that the expense and, for lack of a better word, elitism that went with these smart phones meant that "commoners" weren't using them. Especially, they weren't modding them.
In those days, devs were respected. There certainly wasn't this big entitlement feeling that every tom, ****, and harry feel they are owed today. This site was started and grew based on people wanting to develop for these phones. We wanted them to do more. For the most part, if you didn't have anything to contribute, you understood to stfu. Even more important, if you saw a need, you worked to fill it. Many of the guys that started this community STARTED learning because of it. Sure, you'll have questions. Questions are good. The flaming of each other, the putting down of other sites, and the general dickery needs to stop.
It's sad that I look at xda with disdain these days. XDA has gone from a site that I spent most of my day on, and worked to assist where I could, to a necessary evil because I own an HTC device.
I'm thankful to all of the Android devs for their work in rooting so many phones. Thank you HTC for making a phone that works so well, I'm not completely sure I need or want to root it. Thank you XDA for providing a location where we can COLLABORATE.
To all of you kids (either by age or maturity) look up the definition of collaborate, patience, and "common decency"). Please stop being rude, and or demanding... anything. We don't need 30 extra posts to tell us "I'm Not Happy about X" or "User Y is a dork". It's useless. Put it on your myspace page, people may care there.
And to the elitists, don't knock people for thinking of an idea that someone else already tried. At least they are thinking. At least they are trying. And hopefully, they'll learn and take on the next challenge in your stead.
XC

Here-here!
Appreciation > Ego

This place is no different than any other forum, really. People are dicks everywhere.

I feel you pain, this place used to be a comminty of people all over the world, that were here to help. And we all shared one commen goal, to make our phones the best they could be. It really does sadden me to see what has happend. No body is owed anthing. and for some reson everyone feels like they are.
You used to be able to asked a question without getting flamed to death, people and devs would help you with any problem you had, and now..... its just ridiculous the way people are acting. Its not just here, its on all the android forums that i have seen. so dont think that its just here.
To everyone that has helped make this site the best, thank you. And to the rest of you, please leave go somwere else, your kind is not welcome here.

heavensblade23 said:
This place is no different than any other forum, really. People are dicks everywhere.
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Sad but true =/ I'm relatively new to xda, but I was really surprised about recent events, I never really expected something like that to happen on XDA.

heavensblade23 said:
This place is no different than any other forum, really. People are dicks everywhere.
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It happens on all forums, you will have fighting and issues and assholes appearing. Just got to deal with it, thats what moderators are for.

heavensblade23 said:
This place is no different than any other forum, really. People are dicks everywhere.
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You have a choice to make things worse or better. I can see what your choice is.
anubis_dragoon said:
Sad but true =/ I'm relatively new to xda, but I was really surprised about recent events, I never really expected something like that to happen on XDA.
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What happened? Someone reported something that was untrue? Or a bunch of people got excited about a sketchy report of root/a mod. That has happened a bunch on XDA. Stick around and it'll happen a bunch more. People make mistakes, hello! We had several overclocking threads that were false starts in G1/Dream. Guess what? People kept trying and eventually, it got done. The people who were *****ing, however, just produced more *****ing--and my my phone does not install non-market *****ing

Ummm...but why is this thread in the development thread?

rynosaur said:
You have a choice to make things worse or better. I can see what your choice is.
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I'm not saying it's okay to act like a ****, I'm saying it's largely a lost cause. I got sick of people acting like dicks on another, general-purpose, forum, so I left to try to find some place where people were civil. I gave up when I saw someone on an Android banned for rageposting over cell phone batteries.

steb0ne said:
Ummm...but why is this thread in the development thread?
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It's here because everyone, in every area, needs to read it and take it to heart.

steb0ne said:
Ummm...but why is this thread in the development thread?
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Simply because this is where XDA lost face in the eyes of many yesterday. Its not just the sites fault though. Members had a lot to do with it. I'm sure because yesterday was a holiday is the reason it took some time for the Mods to get a handle on things.
I give thanks to the OP for posting here.
Thank you XDA!!!

steb0ne said:
Ummm...but why is this thread in the development thread?
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xcsdm said:
I realize this isn't the most correct place to post this, but apparently, everyone should read this.
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I think it is very important to understand where xda came from. This site began with people that not only helped us mod our phones, but were willing to teach us to mod our phones. That way, when the next phone came out, you had more people working to mod the phone.
I put this in a developer thread because development is a large driving force behind xda.
XC

People need to learn to just report a thread instead of fighting over what's posted in it. Mods will help sort things out I'm sure. We all need to just work together on making this site better and learn from the mistakes of others. The Incredible's development will get better in time its a fairly new device if you think about it. IMO its very nice stock. Keep up the great work Devs and for those who don't dev do your part in making this site a place for ppl to want to come to share and learn.

xcsdm said:
I realize this isn't the most correct place to post this, but apparently, everyone should read this.
I've been involved with the xda modding community for over 4 years. When ...
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Although I have not really posted here much, I have been around since the Palm Treo 650 days (loved that damn phone btw) and have always had a deep sense of respect for all the developers here who dedicate their time and efforts to making a smartphone more powerful and more useful outside the stock features. Being a member of the iPhone community for so long, I have had no reason to come to these forums for quite a while so I've been out of the loop. Now that I own a droid incredible, I was led back here by a simple "how-to-root your android" Google search. Since that time, I have seen a lot of commotion about the Incredible.
I am not and never will be able to develop, write code, or become a linux genius. I have been a linux admin for years, but never had a need or want to go into development. That being said, I have always respected those who have the ability to develop software, apps, images, etc.
I think the main problem on these forums now, is too many kids and too many people who expect something to be handed to them rather than be grateful for what they are given. Then again, that's pretty much anywhere you go in the world. The only thing we can do as a community is choose how we respond to these situations. Like adults....
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--Matt--
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Sadly, I'm seeing these types of issues everywhere. The last 4-5 years has really created a new generation of people that think they can get away with saying whatever they want online. Think of it as the Myspace gen, if you will.
It's painful to say it, but honestly... it's not going to get any better.

Ruoh said:
Sadly, I'm seeing these types of issues everywhere. The last 4-5 years has really created a new generation of people that think they can get away with saying whatever they want online, and get away with it. Think of it as the Myspace gen, if you will.
It's painful to say it, but honestly... it's not going to get any better.
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Generation T, as in toilet trained below the waist only. Their mouths seem to run constantly, and not even their spell checkers have been opened . . .
It's easy to bash wee tykes. Been happening since antiquity. Hard to root an Incredible, tho. We just need somebody to get a reman unit that still has a testing bootloader installed!

xcsdm said:
....For the most part, if you didn't have anything to contribute, you understood to stfu. Even more important, if you saw a need, you worked to fill it. Many of the guys that started this community STARTED learning because of it. Sure, you'll have questions. Questions are good.
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Exactly right... And I'm one of those who kept my mouth shut as I read and learned here, respecting those who put forth the info that helped me...
xcsdm said:
....The flaming of each other, the putting down of other sites, and the general dickery needs to stop.
It's sad that I look at xda with disdain these days. XDA has gone from a site that I spent most of my day on, and worked to assist where I could, to a necessary evil because I own an HTC device.
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I can say the same about Hofo (on which I go by a different name..)
I started there, reading, absorbing, learning.. To pay it back, I started helping others when/where I could. I eventually started a collection of instructions, and writing up info I digested to make it easier for new people to just dive in and learn to do it themselves. I even met (in person) someone I met on hofo, and we worked to create a set of repeatable processes to flash moto phones with non-VZW firmware.
I saw it go from a great site to learn, to a place you're going to get flamed, called names, disrespected, etc... Thankfully, the birth of my son took me away from my cell phone hacking and Hofo just at the right time.
As I visit this, hofo and other sites, I can't help but think they are all becoming the same... a bunch of people who feel entitled to have this or that NOW and if they don't get it, they gripe up a storm about it, call people names, etc..
Its sad.

Is it really getting that bad? I haven't signed into this site since my old PPC6700 days, so I haven't taken a look at the Entitled Generation posts, but I'll be sure to keep an eye out.

dephtones said:
Although I have not really posted here much, I have been around since the Palm Treo 650 days (loved that damn phone btw) and have always had a deep sense of respect for all the developers here who dedicate their time and efforts to making a smartphone more powerful and more useful outside the stock features. Being a member of the iPhone community for so long, I have had no reason to come to these forums for quite a while so I've been out of the loop. Now that I own a droid incredible, I was led back here by a simple "how-to-root your android" Google search. Since that time, I have seen a lot of commotion about the Incredible.
I am not and never will be able to develop, write code, or become a linux genius. I have been a linux admin for years, but never had a need or want to go into development. That being said, I have always respected those who have the ability to develop software, apps, images, etc.
I think the main problem on these forums now, is too many kids and too many people who expect something to be handed to them rather than be grateful for what they are given. Then again, that's pretty much anywhere you go in the world. The only thing we can do as a community is choose how we respond to these situations. Like adults....
Thanks.
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AMEN ! NOOBs need to read and research more rather than demanding everything be handed to them.

I think this thread is a bit dramatic. "What happened to XDA?" Well, nothing really. There's just a huge influx of new people who know just enough to be dangerous and really want root (and look at the average post count, mine is low enough but every other person I see discussing this has less than 20 posts). The Incredible is one of if not THE hot phone on the market, so I'm not surprised it's like a circus in here. Due to recent events that I will not dare mention, It's like the scene in Caddyshack when they let all the caddys swim in the pool and run all the "members" off. And over the weekend someone took a dump in the pool and caused mayhem/panic...
If the mods would get more strict - short temp bans for people who are very rude, and maybe also for people who can't stay on subject or at least delete the off subject posts, and get rid of all the "why is my battery life bad" threads then the Dev section may improve. Perhaps make a rule that says you can't post in this section unless you have a certain number of posts? I don't know. It was just a bad weekend. It will get back to normal.

Feeling impatient

I've had my phone 2 weeks and run out of things to do to it. Where's the roms? froyo where are you ?
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App

Well I can't wait for froyo + full file system lag fix

If you're not satisfied with the current rate of development, feel free to put together your own rom or even contribute to current development. The phone is what, two, three months old? Some phones didn't even have root methods for that long. If you wanted an att device that had a background of strong community hacking, should have gone with an htc device. The method of building roms on this phone is massively different and requires time to get everything sorted. And I'm willing to believe a lot of devs are waiting fur for the 2.2 source
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Lighten up francis. Did I complain about Devs? NO. Panties in a wad factor is really high around here.

gunnyman said:
Lighten up francis. Did I complain about Devs? NO. Panties in a wad factor is really high around here.
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You're saying you're impatient for new roms, implying you are not satisfied with your current options. There are several people doing fantastic work on our phones and you're belittling their work. Even jokingly.
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Kaik541 said:
You're saying you're impatient for new roms, implying you are not satisfied with your current options. There are several people doing fantastic work on our phones and you're belittling their work. Even jokingly.
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I think you are taking this entire thread the wrong way.
I think the OP is trying to say that he has done all he can, where is something new? More things to play with.
Nowhere did he belittle or offend anyone. Nor was anything implied.
I have had my phone for 7 weeks - I want to see even more new ROMs -but in no way am I saying anything about anyone. I can't wait for the first Cyanogenmod either - I am impatient, just like I was when waiting for the Captivate launch day.
+10 on the "lighten up Francis"

Looks to me like you are a good candidate to get in the kitchen and start cooking. That way you don't have to wait around for the roms and we can all play.
I don't think it's a matter of lightening up, I agree the op surely said "where are the roms?" That could have ben interpreted more than one way, which it was. Coming from the op of the forum nazi thread, sounds like you have plenty of time to start cooking and stop whining
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I've had my phone 2 weeks and run out of things to do to it. Where's the roms? froyo where are you ?
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App
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alphadog00 said:
I think you are taking this entire thread the wrong way.
I think the OP is trying to say that he has done all he can, where is something new? More things to play with.
Nowhere did he belittle or offend anyone. Nor was anything implied.
I have had my phone for 7 weeks - I want to see even more new ROMs -but in no way am I saying anything about anyone. I can't wait for the first Cyanogenmod either - I am impatient, just like I was when waiting for the Captivate launch day.
+10 on the "lighten up Francis"
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Thanks.
Make a lighthearted post and get your throat jumped down. I thought Dealdatabase.com was elitist. This place is much worse it seems.

gunnyman; said:
Thanks.
Make a lighthearted post and get your throat jumped down. I thought Dealdatabase.com was elitist. This place is much worse it seems.
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Hey gunny, I know how you feel. I too am a bit bored. The rom development is great so far but that's starting to reach it's limit with what devs can do while we wait for froyo. I would love something new to play with. Maybe flash or some awesome game to come along that really pushes this device. Gps fix from sammysung would be nice. I could drive around using that to kill some boredom.
Anyway, props to the devs. Thank god we have some good ones. I would have been bored weeks ago without and with a laggy phone on top of that.

I understand both sides but unfortunately unless you know how to dev we all must be patient. These guys have done very good work and so far it is right on par with the Vibrant, and we all know T-mobile has many more dev's to work on ROMS. With more time will come better products, and all Galaxy S phones will be waiting for a while for 2.2. If Cyanogen comes out soon it shouldn't be hard for Eugene or someone to make a port of it, even if Eugene does not own a Captivate.

There's no need to fight guys, in all seriousness we have the best touch-screen phone on the whole market!
Gorgeous screen, specs, and soon to be a great international community of devs with the whole family of galaxy s line sharing ideas and accelerating the growth of development at a great pace.
Not to mention the soon to be implemented froyo that will not only introduce optimizations and flash, but also allow for a greater use of the phone's potential- spec wise.
Take into consideration the further development after froyo + full lag fix + a COMMUNITY effort of collaboration and I see a really bright future ahead of us.
Personally I LOVE my phone, it does everything I want it to do (I multi-task like a beast!!) BEAUTIFUL camera software.. I painlessly take panoramic shots! What more can you ask for?
Yes some high quality games compared to that of the iphone would be great, but the anti-piracy measures are not on par with the iphone at the moment, so we'll have to wait a little for the big-name app/game developers to step in.

Kaik541 our kyke541 or whatever, u need to chill the f*** out dude. Why do you have to be such a ****? This is the internet!!! If you talked to me like that face to face I'd make you eat your words. Why are you so hostile, do you think your elite because you know a bit about phones? God, this is some peoples hobby for crying out loud. Be easy on them. Every post I've seen from you recently has some attitude with it. I hope your just having a bad week or something... Take a chill pill and calm down. We all have something in common here, you aren't any better than the rest of us.
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This thread sucks.

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This thread sucks.
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I for one am enjoying the calm before the storm. That is, before froyo and CM6.1 are released, and all the subsequent hacking that will go with it.

beazie0885 said:
Kaik541 our kyke541 or whatever, u need to chill the f*** out dude. Why do you have to be such a ****? This is the internet!!! If you talked to me like that face to face I'd make you eat your words. Why are you so hostile, do you think your elite because you know a bit about phones? God, this is some peoples hobby for crying out loud. Be easy on them. Every post I've seen from you recently has some attitude with it. I hope your just having a bad week or something... Take a chill pill and calm down. We all have something in common here, you aren't any better than the rest of us.
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I don't know what you mean by "all of my posts recently have had attitude." I generally answer any questions asked and follow it up with any advice I can offer. threads like this where, even unintentionally, the OP is kind of being dismissive toward the excellent work Unhelpful, DG, eugene (and a slew of others who I have forgotten to name).
it'd be fine if he was just opening a thread to say "I'm excited for something new! can't wait for froyo! woo!" it's that the attitude of this is "I'm bored with all the work everyone else has done." especially when it's someone who doesn't contribute to development (not counting donations, I have no idea if he has donated) himself. I just want people to be grateful for what they have right now... there's no need a open a thread saying "I want more but I want others to do the work"

Dude. Quit reading into stuff that isn't there. As for donated monies, I have indeed done so in the past. Lots. I HAVE NOT (REPEATING AGAIN) disparaged anyone or their work in my thread or any post I have ever made hear on XDA (feel free to search) If I am complaining about anything it's samsung, And YOU at the moment.
I'll say again then I'm done in this thread. Lighten up Francis.

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I don't know what you mean by "all of my posts recently have had attitude." I generally answer any questions asked and follow it up with any advice I can offer. threads like this where, even unintentionally, the OP is kind of being dismissive toward the excellent work Unhelpful, DG, eugene (and a slew of others who I have forgotten to name).
it'd be fine if he was just opening a thread to say "I'm excited for something new! can't wait for froyo! woo!" it's that the attitude of this is "I'm bored with all the work everyone else has done." especially when it's someone who doesn't contribute to development (not counting donations, I have no idea if he has donated) himself. I just want people to be grateful for what they have right now... there's no need a open a thread saying "I want more but I want others to do the work"
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Everyone take 5 deep breaths......
Better now?
And Kaik, I am NOT directing this at you personally, just used your quote. This is meant as a general comment not directed at any specific person....
Ok, I clicked on this thread because I could have written it myself, as it was intended. Which was obviously "Ok, I tried all the mods and now I want to try a new one or an update of 1 I already have."
For instance, as you can see from my signature, I run sre123. Last night, Designgears posted that 123a would be posted that night. I thought nothing of saying "ooo, can't wait, please hurry!!!" because DG knows how I meant it (I hope).
I have only seen a couple of REAL jerk posts, and those were like "hey thanks, your mod/rom broke my phone" idiots. Read the OP's and mod and your own risk, fools!
I have NEVER programmed. I understand what gets done here, having been a pc tech, but I can ONLY help by installing and testing and reporting results. This device and this forum has inspired me to try to learn what the guys like Cyanogen, Designgears, Eugene etc do. But until I learn, I will eagerly await new stuff to play with, much like the OP of this thread.
Sorry to type so long a note, but the ONLY thing that can ruin this forum is nazi's. I live in S Florida, got enough condo and homeowner association nazi's to deal with !!! =)

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..., and we all know T-mobile has many more dev's to work on ROMS.....
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I wonder why that is. Dosn't seem intuitive that would be the case. TM is a much smaller carrier, with much less coverage. I can't imagine (of course maybe I'm short on imagination) that there are more people on the TM version than the Captivate.
I too am impatient. But the impatience is for the GPS Fix.
Gunny...I'm with you. Seems many people just try to take everything the wrong way. Of course, the fact is, writing things and having them read, the reader doesn't know what your mood is, and it is a fact that if it can be taken wrong, it will be by some.
If I had the time to invest, I'd get into the ROMs. In fact I started to get into DEV. Downloaded the tools, did a couple weeks playing. But my programming has never expanded to Java, and the learning curve is too large, so I guess I won't. I'd enjoy it, but being at the computer all the time is not how I want to spend my time. I already spend a lot of time on it.
Regarding the DEVs, I appreciate them, and enjoy their work, and contribute occasionally to those I tend to utilize and keep using. But that doesn't diminish my right to be impatient. All customers are, no?

I want the GPS fix. All Galaxy S phones come with a nonfunctioning GPS. Froyo will be great to have also but they need hurry up with the GPS. The Droid X and all Motorola Android phones have an awesome GPS out of the box. I'm hoping Samsung gets it together otherwise they're not worth buying if it lacks a feature that most phones nowadays have. This problem from Samsung shows they rush things out to fast and then once they're out they fail to repair phones currently released.
I'll be eating my words if an update gets released within a week though.

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I wonder why that is. Dosn't seem intuitive that would be the case. TM is a much smaller carrier, with much less coverage. I can't imagine (of course maybe I'm short on imagination) that there are more people on the TM version than the Captivate.
I too am impatient. But the impatience is for the GPS Fix.
Gunny...I'm with you. Seems many people just try to take everything the wrong way. Of course, the fact is, writing things and having them read, the reader doesn't know what your mood is, and it is a fact that if it can be taken wrong, it will be by some.
If I had the time to invest, I'd get into the ROMs. In fact I started to get into DEV. Downloaded the tools, did a couple weeks playing. But my programming has never expanded to Java, and the learning curve is too large, so I guess I won't. I'd enjoy it, but being at the computer all the time is not how I want to spend my time. I already spend a lot of time on it.
Regarding the DEVs, I appreciate them, and enjoy their work, and contribute occasionally to those I tend to utilize and keep using. But that doesn't diminish my right to be impatient. All customers are, no?
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From what I have read about Dev's and Tmobile is mainly because Tmob was the first to have Android. Lots of them are familiar from being already on Tmob. But that is just what I have read, does not necessarily make it correct. The dev's for the Captivate are doing a phenomenal job getting us great products.
Highlighted portion: Joking aside since I know you are, if people are impatient they really should start learning how to do this stuff. The intent of the thread missed the mark based on how it was written. We all want more ROM's or theme's or launchers etc...and they are coming but nobody has any say to be impatient when the majority of these dev's do these on a donation basis. How bad would it suck when people continue to feel impatient and the dev's decide to not dev anymore?

Samsung/XDA part2

I haven't forgot about you guys. Today we had a meeting with XDA owners via telephone. Were just getting everything ready before we make a huge announcement. I told you guys I'm NOT going to let you guys down. Just be a little patient.
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SamsungJohn said:
I haven't forgot about you guys. Today we had a meeting with XDA owners via telephone. Were just getting everything ready before we make a huge announcement. I told you guys I'm NOT going to let you guys down. Just be a little patient.
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I'm not sure there are a lot of expectations here to be let down. We know that in most cases you probably wouldn't be able to offer us beta, or even alpha firmware and software to develop with or on. RC firmware and software would be just as much out of the question so we're down to what is already out, or something that is leaked by people friendly to the development communities that take the chance of getting in to a lot of trouble. So I don't really know what you have to offer yet. I am curious to find out, though.

Dear john, you have sparked a lot of interest, we are drooling at the mouth do you have any gingerbread for us, or dare I speak of honeycomb? ;-)
Sent from my SCH-I500 using XDA App

"IF" this where to happen it would be a good thing for both samsung and xda for the simple fact that it would help us make better mods for the samsung community and would allow samsung to release things that are more open to modding and customizations that all of us around here love and enjoy making (or in my case learning to make)...hope all goes well with this.

I am a dubious person and do not have expectations as I am still uncertain as to your intentions and more importantly you identity.
But if all is as you say I would take back to the powers that be, many are obviously unhappy with having to run outdated software in the form of the OS on what was at the time of purchase cutting edge hardware.
Give us a option. Give us a way to open the phone up and flash a AOSP option. A more Nexus-ish approach would be fantastic.
The Mainstream will have what they require in a stock configuration and we the ones that know what the potential of the device is can help you in pushing it to its limits.

Well I'm trying to get my post count up so I can comment in development. Anywho kudos to samsung.

Thanks again John, I'm excited and look forward to hearing your announcement!
For those skeptics, he's been trying to prove that he's legit;
http://img602.imageshack.us/i/20110211164013.jpg/
http://img193.imageshack.us/i/20110211205159.jpg/
http://img46.imageshack.us/i/20110211205212.jpg/
http://img841.imageshack.us/i/20110211205219.jpg/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11300099&postcount=78
He already posted these in the captivate forum, let's show him a better welcome while we wait for final details!

mesmerbelly said:
Dear john, you have sparked a lot of interest, we are drooling at the mouth do you have any gingerbread for us, or dare I speak of honeycomb? ;-)
Sent from my SCH-I500 using XDA App
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Honeycomb is made for tablets so I don't think that really helps us. And I highly doubt Samsung is going to release Gingerbread directly to XDA if at all.

akellar said:
Honeycomb is made for tablets so I don't think that really helps us. And I highly doubt Samsung is going to release Gingerbread directly to XDA if at all.
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maybe samsung will use us for testing and maybe some tweaking...that would give us a chance to develop on it before its officially released and we would just plain out have it early, cause if you give the devs here like 2 weeks with just about anything it will be fully modded and running to its full potential!!!
props to xda devs!!!

Everyone please come over to this thread.
Thanks,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=11375386#post11375386
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Hopefully their next approach works out better, they should have known better than to open a topic up to the entire forum
They should probably have moderator's from each device take questions from their users, then they could collaborate and get only the good questions answered. (and you wouldn't have to deal with trolls/flames/etc.)

SamsungJohn said:
Everyone please come over to this thread.
Thanks,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=11375386#post11375386
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I suppose the question *since we can't ask specifics* is....
What can you do to help us and or what tools can you provide to the DEVs to help us get every bit of Awesome out of the device that we can.
Put the ball in your court.

Glad THIS thread is still open...
(Does SamsungJohn know how forums work?!?)
ANYhoo... I'm a give 'em enough rope to hang themselves kinda guy and I've actually been recommending the Mesmerize & Fascinate to friends that need new phones based solely on the great XDA community and what they can get those phones to do using only a bread tie, three pennies, and a jar of Cheez Wiz. Kudos to the devs once again!
I had no delusions that Samsung was a great manufacturer... my TV and DVD/home theater unit have had their share of problems... and I was also aware of the OS update delays in other product lines before I got my phone so that wasn't a big surprise either. BUT, I got in on the free phone thing through USCC and (if I EVER get my $80 rebate) I'll still consider being a Mesmerize owner/user a WIN.
What I see here is a classic example of a company that has the OBVIOUS solution within their grasp and they are actively choosing to find an alternative to it that will provide them SHORT TERM monetary gains. They have set themselves up for failure and they have only themselves to blame. Here's a vocabulary lesson for SamsungJohn et al... crowdsourcing

Guys if you haven't read through it, that topic was closed by a moderator because it was an experiment that failed miserably. (because the general XDA population isn't very good at reading and following instruction, and it turned into a huge flamefest.)
John has been confirmed by several sources to be who he says he is (at least works for samsung) and is here working with the XDA administration to (in an organized way) swap feedback with the developing community (on all samsung products).
On a side note Supercurio has been in correspondence with Korean Samsung and has been also pushing for this very thing to happen, but from what I've read i'ts pure coincidence that John arrived when he did.
Anyway, sounds to me like we need to be patient as information IS coming as soon as they figure out the best way to go about this whole thing. This is how I've taken things from what I've read today, don't quote me....

monthlymixcd said:
Here's a vocabulary lesson for SamsungJohn et al... crowdsourcing
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In all fairness Crowdsourceing is what the whole AOSP is about. Android was and is developed to be Open Source. So if a company is reaching out to the community it can't be all bad.
I just think that for the most part a lot of us here are end users.
While I am sure that others like me want to, and strive to learn more, we simply will not be on a par with the current crop of DEVs as they progress as well.
I think the idea of a couple DEVs from each of the respective forums of the variations of the SGS platforms being in contact is a smart idea.
Dcows, Phidelt, and of course JT and many of the OPs in the Samsung Fascinate IRC channel would be obvious choices.
In fact a meeting of the minds in a channel of choice with only participants having voice would be nice as well.
I do understand and hope that SamsungJohn does know as well that most here are simply end users and just wanna know when we will get xxx or yyy ..
I will now go back to my corner get my Java Text out and see if I can learn, learn, learn....

If samsung really wants to get in good with the developement community, they would be wise to make it entirely official, and go to engadget or someone with a press release. If you want to gain our trust, give everyone the AOSP build.
Do I want sammy to be community-minded? Absolutely.
Am I going to trust one guy who says he works for our manufacturer? Well, let's get to the root of that. Do I trust the company who created out hardware? Not at all.

Sighcosis said:
Dcows, Phidelt, and of course JT and many of the OPs in the Samsung Fascinate IRC channel would be obvious choices.
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Yeah I frequent the irc with those guys and we're always willing to help people... I think a lot of people come to forums just to get help and information rather than to develop and theme and stuff like we do. It would probably be more beneficial for Samsungjohn to maybe set up a date on the irc and say like "I will be on from x time to y time" and then people can get on and ask questions and talk about things, and more of the power users who use the irc regularly will get a chance to maybe learn some stuff or help out Samsung.
It would also make it much easier to control, if things get out of hand then the OPs can simply kick or ban the culprits.
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Chingy has done a phenominal job in answering questions and putting hours upon hours of work th
Deuch bag' and some sorry intellectual just ruined a great developer over at XDA. This is not Mcdonald and fast food (you get it when you want)....There are a lot of strategy and redudencency that overlap to creat your custom ROM or Kernel. I'm tired of reading thesethreads. Google search what you a looking for and it will come to hear. Don't be Jack Ass and feel tough on forum. No one wants to fight in keyboards language If you are upset sound respectible....sound like man.
Sean

Enough. This subject had been beaten to death before this post.
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Smells like troll in here

I was just waiting for it to come down to this. I get the feeling I'm one of the few that read every post in the threads for Incredibly Re-engineered, The Perfect Storm, and Gingeritus up until the holiday weekend began. It's not like the guy just had a bad day. It's more like for a couple months now people were getting way outta line with him about how he built his ROMs. Go over and read the thread for IR. As long ago as last year he was dealing with slugs that didn't read the OP. One of the reasons he put the wipe script in there was because of all the idiots flashing without wiping, then posting how his ROM sucked and had all kinds of issues, like it was his fault. I've flashed his ROMs onto many different phones, flawlessly, and everytime I hand the phone back to the owner they're like "Wow! This thing is FAST!" Yeah, maybe this subject is a dead horse, but it really bothers me how folks treat one another sometimes, especially when the bad attitude comes from a moron directed at someone basically giving gifts away. The mere thought of doing what these guys do makes me want to sever major arteries in my body. But, I'm sure glad they like it because I like the results! I could gripe about how the home screens are full of icons and widgets nobody would use, or the lack of some features like wireless tether in some ROMs, or the screen brightness, or the kernel he packed with it, but is there a point? No. I'm some nobody that stumbled across his work one day and thought "Gosh! This is top drawer work!" When someone puts there heart and time into something and applies the skills acquired over years, it shows. It shows in Chingy's work all the way back to Re-engineered for the EVO. I completely understand how he'd feel reading some of the posts on his threads. I would probably have done the same thing, except sooner. Sometimes I wonder why there aren't as many devs here as I'd like to see, especially for kernels, but I don't need to wonder long. I've screwed up my phone before. I've gotten pissed because it looked like some dev couldn't do anything right, but the reality is if his work was that bad, it wouldn't have been posted long enough for me to download. So I point the finger at me. Sometimes trying to get something to work just pisses me off because I'm not a dev, or even that wise to this stuff in general. Restore a nandroid and keep on having a good day. Pretty simple. It's hard to believe that's too hard for everyone to do! I feel bad for Chingy. More than a couple folks have gotten ugly with him over a long span of time. Gingeritus 1.1 is out now. I'm gonna go get that and continue enjoying how CHINGY, and ONLY CHINGY, believes a sense ROM should work.

If you cannot handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
Just sayin.

adrynalyne said:
If you cannot handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
Just sayin.
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Amen! You would think some people would get it since this is a "developers" site.
If they wanted roms that were "official" then they need to stay outta here and frequent the Carrier forums.
Maybe we should give them all goverment cheese to go with their whine!

adrynalyne said:
If you cannot handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
Just sayin.
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Dude, you are a dev yourself. Why would you make snide remarks about a fellow dev? You have the temperament of a pregnant rhino and expect your peers to take **** while you go about posting comments about them in their threads like you did with virus? What is wrong with you?
This has nothing to do with you. Keep your thoughts to yourself. Focus on making your roms better, not being a catty old lady.
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khanam said:
Dude, you are a dev yourself. Why would you make snide remarks about a fellow dev? You have the temperament of a pregnant rhino and expect your peers to take **** while you go about posting comments about them in their threads like you did with virus? What is wrong with you?
This has nothing to do with you. Keep your thoughts to yourself. Focus on making your roms better, not being a catty old lady.
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"Keep your thoughts to yourself"..? You clearly don't understand the definition of the word forum

khanam said:
Dude, you are a dev yourself. Why would you make snide remarks about a fellow dev? You have the temperament of a pregnant rhino and expect your peers to take **** while you go about posting comments about them in their threads like you did with virus? What is wrong with you?
This has nothing to do with you. Keep your thoughts to yourself. Focus on making your roms better, not being a catty old lady.
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Go away troll, no one cares what you have to say.
To the OP... cool story bro... sounds like a remix to a thread from the other day

That was the worst reading I've experienced in years! Made me feel like I was in 2nd grade once again reading a friend's book report! That's 15 seconds of my life I'll never get back...

I hear if you have a sandy vag you can go to www.hellokittyonline.com and be comforted.

Seanren78 said:
Chingy has done a phenominal job in answering questions and putting hours upon hours of work th
Deuch bag' and some sorry intellectual just ruined a great developer over at XDA. This is not Mcdonald and fast food (you get it when you want)....There are a lot of strategy and redudencency that overlap to creat your custom ROM or Kernel. I'm tired of reading thesethreads. Google search what you a looking for and it will come to hear. Don't be Jack Ass and feel tough on forum. No one wants to fight in keyboards language If you are upset sound respectible....sound like man.
Sean
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My head hurt just reading through this post. Isn't there a spell check built-in?

kriskmk said:
My head hurt just reading through this post. Isn't there a spell check built-in?
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LOL, there is this guy at work who has to be the worst speller on the planet.
Anyways, one day I told him, "You know there is a spelling checker you can use when you send emails, right?"
He says, "I know, I used it!", LOL. Don't know where he got his spelling checker but he needed to get a new one. Maybe this person is using the same spelling checker?

Nothing to see here, move along. It's all ancient history now. Mods should lock this thread, there is nothing to be gained, and only serves as troll bait.
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khanam said:
Dude, you are a dev yourself. Why would you make snide remarks about a fellow dev? You have the temperament of a pregnant rhino and expect your peers to take **** while you go about posting comments about them in their threads like you did with virus? What is wrong with you?
This has nothing to do with you. Keep your thoughts to yourself. Focus on making your roms better, not being a catty old lady.
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These same "fellow" devs say the same snide remarks towards me. There is no code of honor.
That said, if you cannot stand the pressure of some dickhead users, then hang up the title belt. That goes for any dev, including myself. I mean I could get mad and retreat to my own forum because you called me a catty old lady, but I don't have that thin of skin. Sorry.
As for the virus issue, that was effing ridiculous because the dev jumped on me, and he didn't even take the time to read ahead of time and see what the deal was, and that I was dealing with accusations of kanging. QUITE the different issue.
Deving anything in the android community requires thick skin. Sure I get mad. But I have not yet picked up my ball and gone home. The day I do, it won't be for reasons that a user got butt hurt for not reading.

adrynalyne said:
These same "fellow" devs say the same snide remarks towards me. There is no code of honor.
That said, if you cannot stand the pressure of some dickhead users, then hang up the title belt. That goes for any dev, including myself. I mean I could get mad and retreat to my own forum because you called me a catty old lady, but I don't have that thin of skin. Sorry.
As for the virus issue, that was effing ridiculous because the dev jumped on me, and he didn't even take the time to read ahead of time and see what the deal was, and that I was dealing with accusations of kanging. QUITE the different issue.
Deving anything in the android community requires thick skin. Sure I get mad. But I have not yet picked up my ball and gone home. The day I do, it won't be for reasons that a user got butt hurt for not reading.
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well said..

adrynalyne said:
These same "fellow" devs say the same snide remarks towards me. There is no code of honor.
That said, if you cannot stand the pressure of some dickhead users, then hang up the title belt. That goes for any dev, including myself. I mean I could get mad and retreat to my own forum because you called me a catty old lady, but I don't have that thin of skin. Sorry.
As for the virus issue, that was effing ridiculous because the dev jumped on me, and he didn't even take the time to read ahead of time and see what the deal was, and that I was dealing with accusations of kanging. QUITE the different issue.
Deving anything in the android community requires thick skin. Sure I get mad. But I have not yet picked up my ball and gone home. The day I do, it won't be for reasons that a user got butt hurt for not reading.
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+1 I'm not sure I've read a Dev. thread yet that the developer hasn't taken sh$t from one or more quick trigger flashers that don't read the entire OP first.

sublimaze said:
Nothing to see here, move along. It's all ancient history now. Mods should lock this thread, there is nothing to be gained, and only serves as troll bait.
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considering the 12 step process to report a thread or post, I doubt a mod will even see this...

Wooooow smh...all the tag teaming goin on!!!
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Nefariouss said:
I hear if you have a sandy vag you can go to www.hellokittyonline.com and be comforted.
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I think I may have found my new favorite MMO! lol

Axiom ROM

Has the Axiom ROM's development been stopped? I see the thread is now closed.
And I can't seem to find the download link to the Axiom version 2.8 version anywhere...

saprydion said:
Has the Axiom ROM's development been stopped? I see the thread is now closed.
And I can't seem to find the download link to the Axiom version 2.8 version anywhere...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1863900

saprydion said:
Has the Axiom ROM's development been stopped? I see the thread is now closed.
And I can't seem to find the download link to the Axiom version 2.8 version anywhere...
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Yeah they have stopped =( hate to see it stop it was such a great rom!!!

saprydion said:
Has the Axiom ROM's development been stopped? I see the thread is now closed.
And I can't seem to find the download link to the Axiom version 2.8 version anywhere...
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Yea, development has stopped. In twitter it was announced.
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oh man...and I just got my One S two days ago!

saprydion said:
oh man...and I just got my One S two days ago!
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Check out ViperOneS.
Great ROM.

abracadabra11 said:
Check out ViperOneS.
Great ROM.
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Running Viper Rom now. Quite good.
But with Axiom gone, it seems like Viper Rom is the only game in town....for me at least, because I like de-Sensed ROMs
Thanks!

eminembdg said:
Yea, development has stopped. In twitter it was announced.
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Ok, why?
This was the last working T-Mobile ROM, it seems. Viper doesn't have WiFi calling, I am not sure if anything does. Why the heck did they close the thread and take down all download links?

Too many people complaining, there were also some bugs but I think over time axiom could have evolved into something better, its not the end though, energy ROM is still going and that is just as good
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ridearoundsolo said:
Too many people complaining, there were also some bugs but I think over time axiom could have evolved into something better, its not the end though, energy ROM is still going and that is just as good
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I'm not going to comment further on this other than to say this guy is incorrect and certainly is in no position to speak for the team.

Energy rom is very nice, if you guys need wifi calling.
And nothing huge was wrong with the last version of axiom, the sense version anyways.
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Aww. That sucks. I love de-sensed ROMs that keep the Sense camera. Can we at least have a download link for the latest Sense-less ROM? Or someone can PM it to me, thats ok

Behold_this said:
I'm not going to comment further on this other than to say this guy is incorrect and certainly is in no position to speak for the team.
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Well, you are in a position to speak for the team. Do you think leaving one's users hanging without any warning or explanation is something a developer should ever do? I know from own experience that ROM development is hard work, and you were doing it for free. However, your ROM had a following, people were mostly very happy, you promised some future. Than out of the blue - boom! No more Axiom S! Gone! No explanation, no warning, no clarification - nothing! Closed the thread, turned off the lights, went home.
I see Mike is already hacking SGIII. That's cool, but you don't just stick a finger at your users, and go find another set of users. At the very least you owe them an explanation where you are going and why.

porkupan said:
Well, you are in a position to speak for the team. Do you think leaving one's users hanging without any warning or explanation is something a developer should ever do? I know from own experience that ROM development is hard work, and you were doing it for free. However, your ROM had a following, people were mostly very happy, you promised some future. Than out of the blue - boom! No more Axiom S! Gone! No explanation, no warning, no clarification - nothing! Closed the thread, turned off the lights, went home.
I see Mike is already hacking SGIII. That's cool, but you don't just stick a finger at your users, and go find another set of users. At the very least you owe them an explanation where you are going and why.
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Last time I checked we didn't charge for our work and so we owe you nothing.

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I'm not going to comment further on this other than to say this guy is incorrect and certainly is in no position to speak for the team.
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Not speaking for anyone...but the Axiom team did post on Twitter that they were ceasing development due to hate mail...probably what he meant when he referred to complaining.
"Development of Axiom ROMs has ceased. After much thought, tons of hate mail & other nonsense, we've come to the conclusion it's not worth it"-Axiom website/Twitter

I Am? I didn't know I was hacking the SGS3. Lol
Here's the thing...Axiom ROMs was never.....ever in my plans. Honestly how it started was Zylith and Zydroid. Zylith got busy so I picked up the slack and did more. Keep in mind I was doing this because this is what I wanted in a ROM and just happened to share it with the community, because it was Zylith's to begin with.
Personally, I got tired of the lack of support for HTC phones as of late. I originally was going to get a SGS3 over the One S, but decided not to wait for its release. Now I'm where I wanted to be originally. I'm sorry if you feel like I turned my back....AXSuite was open-sourced.....all that was needed now was a stock 1.84 base and those tweaks to be dropped right in...and BOOM, Axiom ROM again.
Things are rather busy in my life right now.....How? Well....I'm married for one.....got a kid on the way for two, getting into real estate for three, and Apple just did a product release which me, being a Tech Support Advisor for them....have to work much more hours.....which is already cutting away the time i had before.
Don't lash out at the rest of the team because of the unhappiness or disappointment you've experienced with production of a ROM ceased. Everyone has a brain and can learn this stuff people! You depend so much on people like us to do the work, why not learn it instead of getting pissed off because we choose personal lives over Android?
Last I checked....no one pays my bills, no even paid to use Axiom ROMs.....so we're not obligated to discussing anything really.
Don't mean to sound like a asshole, but I'm the only one who gives a damn about my personal life, no one else in here does. I gotta llok out for my best interest....so it is what it is. As for me doing work on the SGS3....not gonna happen. I won't be doing any ROMs for it, I'm much to busy to maintain a public release!
Stop with the PMs, stop with the frustration. AXSuite is open-sourced and for public use. Learn how to make a ROM and get it running. The whole reason we open-sourced it in the first place was to inspire others that want to learn how to do it, to actually do it!
Hate me or love me guys, I had to say what I needed to say. Not trying to be no douche or inconsiderate....I felt you guys deserved at least a reason as to why things happened the way they have....Nothing personal against anyone....but I gotta look out for me and my family and thats time that I can't spend on Android for now....
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tgtoys said:
Not speaking for anyone...but the Axiom team did post on Twitter that they were ceasing development due to hate mail...probably what he meant when he referred to complaining.
"Development of Axiom ROMs has ceased. After much thought, tons of hate mail & other nonsense, we've come to the conclusion it's not worth it"-Axiom website/Twitter
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Thanks for clarifying that....
Some of the team members lost interest because of how things started to turn out... People calling us kangs of Venom tweaks etc etc....you know the ordeal. We decided it's not fun anymore, not worth it either. We did it for free....asked for nothing in return. Seeing you all happy was enough for us. But the hate mail along with what's stated above....just killed the motivation....
Don't hate us for it, look at the users of other One S ROMs....not saying names....they're the ones who discouraged us. Imagine catching BS from people you don't know for you contributing something you expect nothing in return from....we're all human...

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I Am? I didn't know I was hacking the SGS3. Lol
Here's the thing...Axiom ROMs was never.....ever in my plans. Honestly how it started was Zylith and Zydroid. Zylith got busy so I picked up the slack and did more. Keep in mind I was doing this because this is what I wanted in a ROM and just happened to share it with the community, because it was Zylith's to begin with.
Personally, I got tired of the lack of support for HTC phones as of late. I originally was going to get a SGS3 over the One S, but decided not to wait for its release. Now I'm where I wanted to be originally. I'm sorry if you feel like I turned my back....AXSuite was open-sourced.....all that was needed now was a stock 1.84 base and those tweaks to be dropped right in...and BOOM, Axiom ROM again.
Things are rather busy in my life right now.....How? Well....I'm married for one.....got a kid on the way for two, getting into real estate for three, and Apple just did a product release which me, being a Tech Support Advisor for them....have to work much more hours.....which is already cutting away the time i had before.
Don't lash out at the rest of the team because of the unhappiness or disappointment you've experienced with production of a ROM ceased. Everyone has a brain and can learn this stuff people! You depend so much on people like us to do the work, why not learn it instead of getting pissed off because we choose personal lives over Android?
Last I checked....no one pays my bills, no even paid to use Axiom ROMs.....so we're not obligated to discussing anything really.
Don't mean to sound like a asshole, but I'm the only one who gives a damn about my personal life, no one else in here does. I gotta llok out for my best interest....so it is what it is. As for me doing work on the SGS3....not gonna happen. I won't be doing any ROMs for it, I'm much to busy to maintain a public release!
Stop with the PMs, stop with the frustration. AXSuite is open-sourced and for public use. Learn how to make a ROM and get it running. The whole reason we open-sourced it in the first place was to inspire others that want to learn how to do it, to actually do it!
Hate me or love me guys, I had to say what I needed to say. Not trying to be no douche or inconsiderate....I felt you guys deserved at least a reason as to why things happened the way they have....Nothing personal against anyone....but I gotta look out for me and my family and thats time that I can't spend on Android for now....
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By all means man, family comes first. Thank you (and your team) for the hard work that you put into the rom. It is very much appreciated. I myself would love to get to a level where I could develop, rather for myself or public, but between work, kids, and life, it would never happen, thank you for using the little free time you have to help us. The fact that you put as much time and dedication into the work you did is truly a source of charity for everyone who used your roms, or any of the information you provided. I'm sorry that you had to deal with hate mail and complainers. Too many people out there feel they are 'owed' something, and don't get the fact that what you do is out of kindness and hobby, and not something that you are obligated to do.
Take care, congrats on the upcoming baby, and good luck.
...oh, and sorry about all the hate mail you're going to get at work for the lack luster iPhone 5

tgtoys said:
Not speaking for anyone...but the Axiom team did post on Twitter that they were ceasing development due to hate mail...probably what he meant when he referred to complaining.
"Development of Axiom ROMs has ceased. After much thought, tons of hate mail & other nonsense, we've come to the conclusion it's not worth it"-Axiom website/Twitter
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Here are the key parts being over looked, highlighted in bold: Development of Axiom ROMs has ceased. After much thought, tons of hate mail & other nonsense, we've come to the conclusion it's not worth it". By the way I don't need anyone to remind me what I WROTE on Twitter. And one last thing the hate mail wasn't from our users!

tgtoys said:
By all means man, family comes first. Thank you (and your team) for the hard work that you put into the rom. It is very much appreciated. I myself would love to get to a level where I could develop, rather for myself or public, but between work, kids, and life, it would never happen, thank you for using the little free time you have to help us. The fact that you put as much time and dedication into the work you did is truly a source of charity for everyone who used your roms, or any of the information you provided. I'm sorry that you had to deal with hate mail and complainers. Too many people out there feel they are 'owed' something, and don't get the fact that what you do is out of kindness and hobby, and not something that you are obligated to do.
Take care, congrats on the upcoming baby, and good luck.
...oh, and sorry about all the hate mail you're going to get at work for the lack luster iPhone 5
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I can't even begin to think how disappointed some iPhone users are.....nothing drastic has changed....innovation is dead! PLUS Samsung and HTC are gonna sue for LTE patent infringements lol....i may need to look for another job lol j/k

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I can't even begin to think how disappointed some iPhone users are.....nothing drastic has changed....innovation is dead! PLUS Samsung and HTC are gonna sue for LTE patent infringements lol....i may need to look for another job lol j/k
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Haha...wish Google had a patent on Chrome-to-Phone/Chrome sync...iCloud Tabs..really? Who came up with that one