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What happened to XDA?

I realize this isn't the most correct place to post this, but apparently, everyone should read this.
I've been involved with the xda modding community for over 4 years. When I came to xda-devs, the iphone didn't exist. Android didn't exist. WebOS didn't exist. If you wanted a "smart phone" your choices were PalmOS, Pocket PC, and a few Symbian based offerings. It's quite possible that the expense and, for lack of a better word, elitism that went with these smart phones meant that "commoners" weren't using them. Especially, they weren't modding them.
In those days, devs were respected. There certainly wasn't this big entitlement feeling that every tom, ****, and harry feel they are owed today. This site was started and grew based on people wanting to develop for these phones. We wanted them to do more. For the most part, if you didn't have anything to contribute, you understood to stfu. Even more important, if you saw a need, you worked to fill it. Many of the guys that started this community STARTED learning because of it. Sure, you'll have questions. Questions are good. The flaming of each other, the putting down of other sites, and the general dickery needs to stop.
It's sad that I look at xda with disdain these days. XDA has gone from a site that I spent most of my day on, and worked to assist where I could, to a necessary evil because I own an HTC device.
I'm thankful to all of the Android devs for their work in rooting so many phones. Thank you HTC for making a phone that works so well, I'm not completely sure I need or want to root it. Thank you XDA for providing a location where we can COLLABORATE.
To all of you kids (either by age or maturity) look up the definition of collaborate, patience, and "common decency"). Please stop being rude, and or demanding... anything. We don't need 30 extra posts to tell us "I'm Not Happy about X" or "User Y is a dork". It's useless. Put it on your myspace page, people may care there.
And to the elitists, don't knock people for thinking of an idea that someone else already tried. At least they are thinking. At least they are trying. And hopefully, they'll learn and take on the next challenge in your stead.
XC

Here-here!
Appreciation > Ego

This place is no different than any other forum, really. People are dicks everywhere.

I feel you pain, this place used to be a comminty of people all over the world, that were here to help. And we all shared one commen goal, to make our phones the best they could be. It really does sadden me to see what has happend. No body is owed anthing. and for some reson everyone feels like they are.
You used to be able to asked a question without getting flamed to death, people and devs would help you with any problem you had, and now..... its just ridiculous the way people are acting. Its not just here, its on all the android forums that i have seen. so dont think that its just here.
To everyone that has helped make this site the best, thank you. And to the rest of you, please leave go somwere else, your kind is not welcome here.

heavensblade23 said:
This place is no different than any other forum, really. People are dicks everywhere.
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Sad but true =/ I'm relatively new to xda, but I was really surprised about recent events, I never really expected something like that to happen on XDA.

heavensblade23 said:
This place is no different than any other forum, really. People are dicks everywhere.
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It happens on all forums, you will have fighting and issues and assholes appearing. Just got to deal with it, thats what moderators are for.

heavensblade23 said:
This place is no different than any other forum, really. People are dicks everywhere.
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You have a choice to make things worse or better. I can see what your choice is.
anubis_dragoon said:
Sad but true =/ I'm relatively new to xda, but I was really surprised about recent events, I never really expected something like that to happen on XDA.
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What happened? Someone reported something that was untrue? Or a bunch of people got excited about a sketchy report of root/a mod. That has happened a bunch on XDA. Stick around and it'll happen a bunch more. People make mistakes, hello! We had several overclocking threads that were false starts in G1/Dream. Guess what? People kept trying and eventually, it got done. The people who were *****ing, however, just produced more *****ing--and my my phone does not install non-market *****ing

Ummm...but why is this thread in the development thread?

rynosaur said:
You have a choice to make things worse or better. I can see what your choice is.
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I'm not saying it's okay to act like a ****, I'm saying it's largely a lost cause. I got sick of people acting like dicks on another, general-purpose, forum, so I left to try to find some place where people were civil. I gave up when I saw someone on an Android banned for rageposting over cell phone batteries.

steb0ne said:
Ummm...but why is this thread in the development thread?
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It's here because everyone, in every area, needs to read it and take it to heart.

steb0ne said:
Ummm...but why is this thread in the development thread?
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Simply because this is where XDA lost face in the eyes of many yesterday. Its not just the sites fault though. Members had a lot to do with it. I'm sure because yesterday was a holiday is the reason it took some time for the Mods to get a handle on things.
I give thanks to the OP for posting here.
Thank you XDA!!!

steb0ne said:
Ummm...but why is this thread in the development thread?
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xcsdm said:
I realize this isn't the most correct place to post this, but apparently, everyone should read this.
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I think it is very important to understand where xda came from. This site began with people that not only helped us mod our phones, but were willing to teach us to mod our phones. That way, when the next phone came out, you had more people working to mod the phone.
I put this in a developer thread because development is a large driving force behind xda.
XC

People need to learn to just report a thread instead of fighting over what's posted in it. Mods will help sort things out I'm sure. We all need to just work together on making this site better and learn from the mistakes of others. The Incredible's development will get better in time its a fairly new device if you think about it. IMO its very nice stock. Keep up the great work Devs and for those who don't dev do your part in making this site a place for ppl to want to come to share and learn.

xcsdm said:
I realize this isn't the most correct place to post this, but apparently, everyone should read this.
I've been involved with the xda modding community for over 4 years. When ...
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Although I have not really posted here much, I have been around since the Palm Treo 650 days (loved that damn phone btw) and have always had a deep sense of respect for all the developers here who dedicate their time and efforts to making a smartphone more powerful and more useful outside the stock features. Being a member of the iPhone community for so long, I have had no reason to come to these forums for quite a while so I've been out of the loop. Now that I own a droid incredible, I was led back here by a simple "how-to-root your android" Google search. Since that time, I have seen a lot of commotion about the Incredible.
I am not and never will be able to develop, write code, or become a linux genius. I have been a linux admin for years, but never had a need or want to go into development. That being said, I have always respected those who have the ability to develop software, apps, images, etc.
I think the main problem on these forums now, is too many kids and too many people who expect something to be handed to them rather than be grateful for what they are given. Then again, that's pretty much anywhere you go in the world. The only thing we can do as a community is choose how we respond to these situations. Like adults....
Thanks.
--Matt--
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Sadly, I'm seeing these types of issues everywhere. The last 4-5 years has really created a new generation of people that think they can get away with saying whatever they want online. Think of it as the Myspace gen, if you will.
It's painful to say it, but honestly... it's not going to get any better.

Ruoh said:
Sadly, I'm seeing these types of issues everywhere. The last 4-5 years has really created a new generation of people that think they can get away with saying whatever they want online, and get away with it. Think of it as the Myspace gen, if you will.
It's painful to say it, but honestly... it's not going to get any better.
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Generation T, as in toilet trained below the waist only. Their mouths seem to run constantly, and not even their spell checkers have been opened . . .
It's easy to bash wee tykes. Been happening since antiquity. Hard to root an Incredible, tho. We just need somebody to get a reman unit that still has a testing bootloader installed!

xcsdm said:
....For the most part, if you didn't have anything to contribute, you understood to stfu. Even more important, if you saw a need, you worked to fill it. Many of the guys that started this community STARTED learning because of it. Sure, you'll have questions. Questions are good.
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Exactly right... And I'm one of those who kept my mouth shut as I read and learned here, respecting those who put forth the info that helped me...
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....The flaming of each other, the putting down of other sites, and the general dickery needs to stop.
It's sad that I look at xda with disdain these days. XDA has gone from a site that I spent most of my day on, and worked to assist where I could, to a necessary evil because I own an HTC device.
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I can say the same about Hofo (on which I go by a different name..)
I started there, reading, absorbing, learning.. To pay it back, I started helping others when/where I could. I eventually started a collection of instructions, and writing up info I digested to make it easier for new people to just dive in and learn to do it themselves. I even met (in person) someone I met on hofo, and we worked to create a set of repeatable processes to flash moto phones with non-VZW firmware.
I saw it go from a great site to learn, to a place you're going to get flamed, called names, disrespected, etc... Thankfully, the birth of my son took me away from my cell phone hacking and Hofo just at the right time.
As I visit this, hofo and other sites, I can't help but think they are all becoming the same... a bunch of people who feel entitled to have this or that NOW and if they don't get it, they gripe up a storm about it, call people names, etc..
Its sad.

Is it really getting that bad? I haven't signed into this site since my old PPC6700 days, so I haven't taken a look at the Entitled Generation posts, but I'll be sure to keep an eye out.

dephtones said:
Although I have not really posted here much, I have been around since the Palm Treo 650 days (loved that damn phone btw) and have always had a deep sense of respect for all the developers here who dedicate their time and efforts to making a smartphone more powerful and more useful outside the stock features. Being a member of the iPhone community for so long, I have had no reason to come to these forums for quite a while so I've been out of the loop. Now that I own a droid incredible, I was led back here by a simple "how-to-root your android" Google search. Since that time, I have seen a lot of commotion about the Incredible.
I am not and never will be able to develop, write code, or become a linux genius. I have been a linux admin for years, but never had a need or want to go into development. That being said, I have always respected those who have the ability to develop software, apps, images, etc.
I think the main problem on these forums now, is too many kids and too many people who expect something to be handed to them rather than be grateful for what they are given. Then again, that's pretty much anywhere you go in the world. The only thing we can do as a community is choose how we respond to these situations. Like adults....
Thanks.
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AMEN ! NOOBs need to read and research more rather than demanding everything be handed to them.

I think this thread is a bit dramatic. "What happened to XDA?" Well, nothing really. There's just a huge influx of new people who know just enough to be dangerous and really want root (and look at the average post count, mine is low enough but every other person I see discussing this has less than 20 posts). The Incredible is one of if not THE hot phone on the market, so I'm not surprised it's like a circus in here. Due to recent events that I will not dare mention, It's like the scene in Caddyshack when they let all the caddys swim in the pool and run all the "members" off. And over the weekend someone took a dump in the pool and caused mayhem/panic...
If the mods would get more strict - short temp bans for people who are very rude, and maybe also for people who can't stay on subject or at least delete the off subject posts, and get rid of all the "why is my battery life bad" threads then the Dev section may improve. Perhaps make a rule that says you can't post in this section unless you have a certain number of posts? I don't know. It was just a bad weekend. It will get back to normal.

Goodbye Axura... :(

Hi guys,
I wanted to post this on the Axura thread, but it got closed minutes before i could do so...
Firstly, I'm not even from the USA. I'm located in South East Asia - Malaysia to be more accurate.
I managed to get hold of a Captivate and have been with Axura since day one.
[unlike you guys, I had to pay the full price of the device. There's no telco subsidy for it since, it's not an official phone in my country]
I've bricked once, lagfix multiple times from ext4 to none, to ext2 and back.
And it's been working great for me. I get fantastic signals from Adam's Axura ROM and even GPS is great. (it locks me in seconds after changing to supl.google.com).
In terms of battery life, i must say adam has done an excellent job. I upgraded from the Legend, and seeing the additional size of the screen and higher processing power, I'm getting decent battery life. (and like all of us Asians, we love the internet, so 3G consumption is ultra high).
I just wanna say this - if you can't stand the battery drain, flash another rom.
If you can't flash another rom, use the stock rom.
If that is not enough for you, get an extra battery - i believe it's more affordable for you guys (we pay like 30+ USD for these same batteries).
If you think the captivate or any android phone drains battery, get a blackberry - should last you one to two full days. Or a nokia. Yes, get a nokia.
To Adam, I hope you change your mind, and continue developing.
I enjoy using Axura. And although flashing some other ROM is VERY tempting, i always find myself convincing myself not to - because i'm satisfied with it, and there's no reason for me to.
I hope to see Axura 2.6...
And i still hope...

That ROM has changed hands three times in a couple months. Someone elese will pick up that ball. YOu have to have thick skin to develop. People demand so much and offer nothing. Most do not donate to the developers or site for their upgraded devices. Then ***** and moan about paying $2 for and App like TiBu or Root Explorer that will save their asses when they do start enjoying the developer's work.
Amazing. I don't blame Adam really. Everybody *****es about the hard time given noobs on DGs threads but he stays out of the threads and lets the community police themselves.....hence he has the most popular ROMS maybe not so much because they are the best but because he will be there for the long run and eventually fix the issues. I left DG and tried the other great ROMS like Axura and Assonance since Cog 6 and P6 because those ROMS were not stable enough for me....But he has fixed them and is abandoning the OC/UV ROMS which I believe is a good idea. That is why his thread has been around and has a lot of posts. not because its the "friend;y" thread. But because it is consistent and has been there through thick and thin. Noobs have a tough time there because they don't want to read 10 pages back most of the time.
DG's skin is thick and his followers police their own and make people READ. Not much hand holding because all the information is readily available. As Adam can attest to now hand holding does not pay off. The "friendliest thread" is not so friendly from the users who whine about battery life, something that can easily be remedied with an extra battery, a luxury not available on more and more phones. There are always whiners no matter what who take advantage of other's hard work yet contribute nothing.
Axura can be downloaded as is and be a daily driver along with a few versions back without issues. It is a good ROM as is Assonance. Many more newer ROMS have come out. Some will disappear as fast as hey came. Others may stick around.

It was bound to happen. Hell master opened up ce axura had a tantrum closed it then reopened it, then had another tantrum and what do ya know, closed again. Hans reopened it and did a wonderful job but life took him away from axura, best dev imo, no offense to Adam. Then adam took over for a bit. Did a good job but couldn't handle the people who want free stuff to be perfect and then want more again for free lol.
Axura is an awesome rom but is and was doomed from the beginning lol
Sent from my SuperDuper!Captivate | Darky's v7.0 Gingerbread Edition | SetiroN's SuperOptimized v1.4.7 UV/OC @ 1200Mhz

tbong777 said:
Noobs have a tough time there because they don't want to read 10 pages back most of the time.
DG's skin is thick and his followers police their own and make people READ. Not much hand holding because all the information is readily available.
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Just wanted to HIGHLIGHT those..........although it will not do any good........

tbong777 said:
That ROM has changed hands three times in a couple months. Someone elese will pick up that ball. YOu have to have thick skin to develop. People demand so much and offer nothing. Most do not donate to the developers or site for their upgraded devices. Then ***** and moan about paying $2 for and App like TiBu or Root Explorer that will save their asses when they do start enjoying the developer's work.
Amazing. I don't blame Adam really. Everybody *****es about the hard time given noobs on DGs threads but he stays out of the threads and lets the community police themselves.....hence he has the most popular ROMS maybe not so much because they are the best but because he will be there for the long run and eventually fix the issues. I left DG and tried the other great ROMS like Axura and Assonance since Cog 6 and P6 because those ROMS were not stable enough for me....But he has fixed them and is abandoning the OC/UV ROMS which I believe is a good idea. That is why his thread has been around and has a lot of posts. not because its the "friend;y" thread. But because it is consistent and has been there through thick and thin. Noobs have a tough time there because they don't want to read 10 pages back most of the time.
DG's skin is thick and his followers police their own and make people READ. Not much hand holding because all the information is readily available. As Adam can attest to now hand holding does not pay off. The "friendliest thread" is not so friendly from the users who whine about battery life, something that can easily be remedied with an extra battery, a luxury not available on more and more phones. There are always whiners no matter what who take advantage of other's hard work yet contribute nothing.
Axura can be downloaded as is and be a daily driver along with a few versions back without issues. It is a good ROM as is Assonance. Many more newer ROMS have come out. Some will disappear as fast as hey came. Others may stick around.
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No, Axura ends here. No one else is going to pick it up unless Master says so unfortunately. I was asked by Hans to take over outside of the thread as I supported it and its users like no other. Once I took over only a handful stayed with the program and treated me the same. The rest turned into a bunch of hungry vultures that would be no where without people like Hans, Master, myself and the other great devs on here. I know it is open source, but unless the person who attempts to take it over is ready for a **** storm, I highly recommend reconsidering. I wish it didn't have to end this way, but I am a man of values and do not like being disrespected and am done with it.

I believe adam was doing an excellent job. Axura is the most stable and reliable rom I have used. All of whiners out there should be ashamed of themselves. They are acting like they have paid hundreds of dollars for the roms. They are free and all of them are betas. If you don't like a rom, just flash another one. Don't whine and moan and try to piss everyone else off too. Hats off to you Adam. You did a fantastic job and we are gunna miss you.

Its all about ROM rep. DG threads are full of assholes ready to flame the next new comer for asking a simple question, same goes for Axura(not as bad as DG tho). we treat each other like ****, leading us to treat devs like ****. Its a big cluster **** of a vicious circle.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App

ninjuh said:
Its all about ROM rep. DG threads are full of assholes ready to flame the next new comer for asking a simple question, same goes for Axura(not as bad as DG tho). we treat each other like ****, leading us to treat devs like ****. Its a big cluster **** of a vicious circle.
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We need to end this cycle before it causes even more problems than it already has. I am in talks with right now(no names are being disclosed) to see what we will do going forward. No promises, but you may see Axura again. If it does come back that thread is going to be cleaned up and overhauled like no ones business. I am not going to dev and have assholes blowing it up.

ironmanapa said:
I believe adam was doing an excellent job. Axura is the most stable and reliable rom I have used. All of whiners out there should be ashamed of themselves. They are acting like they have paid hundreds of dollars for the roms. They are free and all of them are betas. If you don't like a rom, just flash another one. Don't whine and moan and try to piss everyone else off too. Hats off to you Adam. You did a fantastic job and we are gunna miss you.
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yea Axura was the best!

Seriously? How old is everyone? I can't believe this **** goes on in thread about phone ROM's. This is ridiculously childish.. I bite my tongue sometimes before I post because of the responses people give with their CYBER BALLS - but in the end, say F it because who the **** are they? Some guy on their laptop that read a couple pages and feels they can **** on everyone since the other guy didn't know the answer. This is an open forum for people to ask questions and get respect and guidance from those that do know the answer and should not ***** about the same question that is ALWAYS going to get asked over and over again.
Adam, good luck with whatever you decide to do.
On to the next one...

adamholden85 said:
We need to end this cycle before it causes even more problems than it already has. I am in talks with right now(no names are being disclosed) to see what we will do going forward. No promises, but you may see Axura again. If it does come back that thread is going to be cleaned up and overhauled like no ones business. I am not going to dev and have assholes blowing it up.
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I believe the solution to your problem is to create a wiki, with FAQ and all. Don't answer anything via post, only put it in FAQ/changelog/fixes whatever.
As for people flaming you, don't bother. If they are truly pissed off, they will go to another ROM.

I feel bad about the devs here taking crap from whiney users. I ask certain questions, test it, if it fails, re-do the entire phone, and never complain. It is all about treating the devs and each other with respect, while I have noticed some people just whine and then want all these extra features and usually want them now. I personally, am just happy to have a stable rom running on my phone because I do not like the stock rom especially with running Froyo compared to Eclair!
Cheers,
Charlie

Axura development ends...again , come on guys LOL, is it that bad? Its only the internetz.

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Axura development ends...again , come on guys LOL, is it that bad? Its only the internetz.
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It is not just the internet. Imagine putting just about all of your free time into a project and having people complain and complain and have it seem as though you are never doing it right. The issue with the battery pushed me over the edge. You all wanted a super fast ROM that did it all. I made sure you had that and then a good portion of you whined that the battery was dying faster than you liked. You cant have the best of both worlds. Keep your eyes and ears open in the next few days. That is all I have to say.

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It is not just the internet. Imagine putting just about all of your free time into a project and having people complain and complain and have it seem as though you are never doing it right. The issue with the battery pushed me over the edge. You all wanted a super fast ROM that did it all. I made sure you had that and then a good portion of you whined that the battery was dying faster than you liked. You cant have the best of both worlds. Keep your eyes and ears open in the next few days. That is all I have to say.
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I never used Axura, it looked good, but honestly, I would just make a statement stating your stance on the battery topic and keep it moving. These people will move on and get tired of complaining and whining. You can't please everyone.

Yeah I have to say, if you're willing to ROM dev, you gotta have thicker skin. Is Samsung closing their doors because a ton of people are mad about not getting Froyo? No, because thats ridiculous. There are lots of people who love the work being done, as far as the dicks that don't, ignore them, dev for yourself and because you want to share what is working for you. I gotta say I'm gettign sick of the Axura drama, first Master, Hans, and now this? Grow up and either keep it going and ignore the haters or quit, its just getting old at this point.

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We need to end this cycle before it causes even more problems than it already has. I am in talks with right now(no names are being disclosed) to see what we will do going forward. No promises, but you may see Axura again. If it does come back that thread is going to be cleaned up and overhauled like no ones business. I am not going to dev and have assholes blowing it up.
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Thats the way it should be. You work hard and respect should be given. Thank you for all your hard work
Hope to see you back in the game.

Good luck Adam. I have been running Axura since Hans, and you contributed some amazing work! I am sorry to see it end this way, but perhaps it is for the best.

Biggest problem is that I noticed is people test these rom's by the hour or release. And some expect a perfect rom the first time. People forget this a development community. Also if people would run a rom for a week they would notice that a battery can actually improve over time. I try to run roms for a week or more and always see improved battery life. I just hate to see the dev's taking heat for their hard work. Good Luck adam and thanks for all that you done.
edit: Oh and why should devs have thicker skin? They give their work away. Nobody should have to sift through asinine comments. I damn sure wouldn't take that kind of abuse in real life. No reason to take it from some anonymous pricks on the internet.

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Yeah I have to say, if you're willing to ROM dev, you gotta have thicker skin. Is Samsung closing their doors because a ton of people are mad about not getting Froyo? No, because thats ridiculous. There are lots of people who love the work being done, as far as the dicks that don't, ignore them, dev for yourself and because you want to share what is working for you. I gotta say I'm gettign sick of the Axura drama, first Master, Hans, and now this? Grow up and either keep it going and ignore the haters or quit, its just getting old at this point.
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agreed. Like Charles Barkley said, half the people love you and the other half hate you. There's nothing you can do about it.
Many of the people in this forum are assholes, but most aren't. Why let the vocal minority win when they are clearly in the wrong?

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Chingy has done a phenominal job in answering questions and putting hours upon hours of work th
Deuch bag' and some sorry intellectual just ruined a great developer over at XDA. This is not Mcdonald and fast food (you get it when you want)....There are a lot of strategy and redudencency that overlap to creat your custom ROM or Kernel. I'm tired of reading thesethreads. Google search what you a looking for and it will come to hear. Don't be Jack Ass and feel tough on forum. No one wants to fight in keyboards language If you are upset sound respectible....sound like man.
Sean

Enough. This subject had been beaten to death before this post.
sent from my bolt

Smells like troll in here

I was just waiting for it to come down to this. I get the feeling I'm one of the few that read every post in the threads for Incredibly Re-engineered, The Perfect Storm, and Gingeritus up until the holiday weekend began. It's not like the guy just had a bad day. It's more like for a couple months now people were getting way outta line with him about how he built his ROMs. Go over and read the thread for IR. As long ago as last year he was dealing with slugs that didn't read the OP. One of the reasons he put the wipe script in there was because of all the idiots flashing without wiping, then posting how his ROM sucked and had all kinds of issues, like it was his fault. I've flashed his ROMs onto many different phones, flawlessly, and everytime I hand the phone back to the owner they're like "Wow! This thing is FAST!" Yeah, maybe this subject is a dead horse, but it really bothers me how folks treat one another sometimes, especially when the bad attitude comes from a moron directed at someone basically giving gifts away. The mere thought of doing what these guys do makes me want to sever major arteries in my body. But, I'm sure glad they like it because I like the results! I could gripe about how the home screens are full of icons and widgets nobody would use, or the lack of some features like wireless tether in some ROMs, or the screen brightness, or the kernel he packed with it, but is there a point? No. I'm some nobody that stumbled across his work one day and thought "Gosh! This is top drawer work!" When someone puts there heart and time into something and applies the skills acquired over years, it shows. It shows in Chingy's work all the way back to Re-engineered for the EVO. I completely understand how he'd feel reading some of the posts on his threads. I would probably have done the same thing, except sooner. Sometimes I wonder why there aren't as many devs here as I'd like to see, especially for kernels, but I don't need to wonder long. I've screwed up my phone before. I've gotten pissed because it looked like some dev couldn't do anything right, but the reality is if his work was that bad, it wouldn't have been posted long enough for me to download. So I point the finger at me. Sometimes trying to get something to work just pisses me off because I'm not a dev, or even that wise to this stuff in general. Restore a nandroid and keep on having a good day. Pretty simple. It's hard to believe that's too hard for everyone to do! I feel bad for Chingy. More than a couple folks have gotten ugly with him over a long span of time. Gingeritus 1.1 is out now. I'm gonna go get that and continue enjoying how CHINGY, and ONLY CHINGY, believes a sense ROM should work.

If you cannot handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
Just sayin.

adrynalyne said:
If you cannot handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
Just sayin.
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Amen! You would think some people would get it since this is a "developers" site.
If they wanted roms that were "official" then they need to stay outta here and frequent the Carrier forums.
Maybe we should give them all goverment cheese to go with their whine!

adrynalyne said:
If you cannot handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
Just sayin.
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Dude, you are a dev yourself. Why would you make snide remarks about a fellow dev? You have the temperament of a pregnant rhino and expect your peers to take **** while you go about posting comments about them in their threads like you did with virus? What is wrong with you?
This has nothing to do with you. Keep your thoughts to yourself. Focus on making your roms better, not being a catty old lady.
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khanam said:
Dude, you are a dev yourself. Why would you make snide remarks about a fellow dev? You have the temperament of a pregnant rhino and expect your peers to take **** while you go about posting comments about them in their threads like you did with virus? What is wrong with you?
This has nothing to do with you. Keep your thoughts to yourself. Focus on making your roms better, not being a catty old lady.
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"Keep your thoughts to yourself"..? You clearly don't understand the definition of the word forum

khanam said:
Dude, you are a dev yourself. Why would you make snide remarks about a fellow dev? You have the temperament of a pregnant rhino and expect your peers to take **** while you go about posting comments about them in their threads like you did with virus? What is wrong with you?
This has nothing to do with you. Keep your thoughts to yourself. Focus on making your roms better, not being a catty old lady.
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Go away troll, no one cares what you have to say.
To the OP... cool story bro... sounds like a remix to a thread from the other day

That was the worst reading I've experienced in years! Made me feel like I was in 2nd grade once again reading a friend's book report! That's 15 seconds of my life I'll never get back...

I hear if you have a sandy vag you can go to www.hellokittyonline.com and be comforted.

Seanren78 said:
Chingy has done a phenominal job in answering questions and putting hours upon hours of work th
Deuch bag' and some sorry intellectual just ruined a great developer over at XDA. This is not Mcdonald and fast food (you get it when you want)....There are a lot of strategy and redudencency that overlap to creat your custom ROM or Kernel. I'm tired of reading thesethreads. Google search what you a looking for and it will come to hear. Don't be Jack Ass and feel tough on forum. No one wants to fight in keyboards language If you are upset sound respectible....sound like man.
Sean
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My head hurt just reading through this post. Isn't there a spell check built-in?

kriskmk said:
My head hurt just reading through this post. Isn't there a spell check built-in?
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LOL, there is this guy at work who has to be the worst speller on the planet.
Anyways, one day I told him, "You know there is a spelling checker you can use when you send emails, right?"
He says, "I know, I used it!", LOL. Don't know where he got his spelling checker but he needed to get a new one. Maybe this person is using the same spelling checker?

Nothing to see here, move along. It's all ancient history now. Mods should lock this thread, there is nothing to be gained, and only serves as troll bait.
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khanam said:
Dude, you are a dev yourself. Why would you make snide remarks about a fellow dev? You have the temperament of a pregnant rhino and expect your peers to take **** while you go about posting comments about them in their threads like you did with virus? What is wrong with you?
This has nothing to do with you. Keep your thoughts to yourself. Focus on making your roms better, not being a catty old lady.
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These same "fellow" devs say the same snide remarks towards me. There is no code of honor.
That said, if you cannot stand the pressure of some dickhead users, then hang up the title belt. That goes for any dev, including myself. I mean I could get mad and retreat to my own forum because you called me a catty old lady, but I don't have that thin of skin. Sorry.
As for the virus issue, that was effing ridiculous because the dev jumped on me, and he didn't even take the time to read ahead of time and see what the deal was, and that I was dealing with accusations of kanging. QUITE the different issue.
Deving anything in the android community requires thick skin. Sure I get mad. But I have not yet picked up my ball and gone home. The day I do, it won't be for reasons that a user got butt hurt for not reading.

adrynalyne said:
These same "fellow" devs say the same snide remarks towards me. There is no code of honor.
That said, if you cannot stand the pressure of some dickhead users, then hang up the title belt. That goes for any dev, including myself. I mean I could get mad and retreat to my own forum because you called me a catty old lady, but I don't have that thin of skin. Sorry.
As for the virus issue, that was effing ridiculous because the dev jumped on me, and he didn't even take the time to read ahead of time and see what the deal was, and that I was dealing with accusations of kanging. QUITE the different issue.
Deving anything in the android community requires thick skin. Sure I get mad. But I have not yet picked up my ball and gone home. The day I do, it won't be for reasons that a user got butt hurt for not reading.
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well said..

adrynalyne said:
These same "fellow" devs say the same snide remarks towards me. There is no code of honor.
That said, if you cannot stand the pressure of some dickhead users, then hang up the title belt. That goes for any dev, including myself. I mean I could get mad and retreat to my own forum because you called me a catty old lady, but I don't have that thin of skin. Sorry.
As for the virus issue, that was effing ridiculous because the dev jumped on me, and he didn't even take the time to read ahead of time and see what the deal was, and that I was dealing with accusations of kanging. QUITE the different issue.
Deving anything in the android community requires thick skin. Sure I get mad. But I have not yet picked up my ball and gone home. The day I do, it won't be for reasons that a user got butt hurt for not reading.
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+1 I'm not sure I've read a Dev. thread yet that the developer hasn't taken sh$t from one or more quick trigger flashers that don't read the entire OP first.

sublimaze said:
Nothing to see here, move along. It's all ancient history now. Mods should lock this thread, there is nothing to be gained, and only serves as troll bait.
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considering the 12 step process to report a thread or post, I doubt a mod will even see this...

Wooooow smh...all the tag teaming goin on!!!
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Nefariouss said:
I hear if you have a sandy vag you can go to www.hellokittyonline.com and be comforted.
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I think I may have found my new favorite MMO! lol

Undead is leaving the MT4GS

FYI.
Think what you want about the guy, he kept ROMs moving when there was only two guys working on our device. I for one will miss his work. He pushed development away from shades of stock and in interesting directions. He is moving to a Samsung Galaxy S Epic II.
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Coug76 said:
FYI.
Think what you want about the guy, he kept ROMs moving when there was only two guys working on our device. I for one will miss his work. He pushed development away from shades of stock and in interesting directions. He is moving to a Samsung Galaxy S Epic II.
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He might have been the King of Kang, but he did some good stuff with the phone. Dem ROMs.

That's a bummer, I know a lot of people enjoyed his work. I however will not miss his attitude, I stopped using any of his work months ago because of the way he talked to people. I much prefer to support Blue, because he is very helpful, and approachable, and is always respectful. I am bummed for the people who enjoyed Undead's work though.

yellowjacket1981 said:
That's a bummer, I know a lot of people enjoyed his work. I however will not miss his attitude, I stopped using any of his work months ago because of the way he talked to people. I much prefer to support Blue, because he is very helpful, and approachable, and is always respectful. I am bummed for the people who enjoyed Undead's work though.
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Being a developer is stressful. I for one would have his same attitude if I was a developer. He did have a bad attitude at times but he supported his work to the fullest. No other dev for DS can say that.
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Who cares about his attitude?
I've never encountered him acting out on anyone, granted I've only been in this community for the past few weeks or so, but does that matter?
He was great at making roms, and graciously released his work to all of us. He even kept up a great update schedule. Devs are not here to be your friend or guidance counselor. And they also have no obligation of being nice to anyone. Releasing their work to everyone is nice in itself.

gtmaster303 said:
Who cares about his attitude?
I've never encountered him acting out on anyone, granted I've only been in this community for the past few weeks or so, but does that matter?
He was great at making roms, and graciously released his work to all of us. He even kept up a great update schedule. Devs are not here to be your friend or guidance counselor. And they also have no obligation of being nice to anyone. Releasing their work to everyone is nice in itself.
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It is my right to think he had a bad attitude and boycott his work. I also didn't like him cutting out common features from a rom just to make it faster, when this device is already fast enough for anything I need it to do, so I choose to use something else. I think no matter what anyone does, they can be respectful when talking to people. That doesn't mean being a friend or guidance counselor, it just means being respectful. Also there were other issues that caused him to get banned from xda, so I am not the only one who has an issue with the guy (just sayin').

Anytime a dev leaves a community, it's generally a bad thing.
I totally respect the fact that he put a lot of time and energy into building these ROMs, however, I never really felt like he *owned* any. Most developers tend to build a ROM that they use, and improve it. Undead built like a bazillion ROMS, and I never felt like he really personally used/supported any of his creations.

yellowjacket1981 said:
It is my right to think he had a bad attitude and boycott his work. I also didn't like him cutting out common features from a rom just to make it faster, when this device is already fast enough for anything I need it to do, so I choose to use something else. I think no matter what anyone does, they can be respectful when talking to people. That doesn't mean being a friend or guidance counselor, it just means being respectful. Also there were other issues that caused him to get banned from xda, so I am not the only one who has an issue with the guy (just sayin').
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Of course it is your right. I never said it wasn't. And as I said before, I've never seen him act out.
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Anytime a dev leaves a community, it's generally a bad thing.
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+1
Every time.

I think the biggest impact would be to out counterparts in the rootzwiki. Without him, I think that forum is gonna go quite... quiet.
Meanwhile, I don't think it's a good idea for members in this community to be flaming at each other--we're supposed to support each other, aren't we?
It sucks that he left (here and mt4gs in general) - whether we regard him as king kang, or DS's savior, but we'll have to move on. I'm probably gonna write him a PM over at rootz saying thanks for his contribution for MT4GS later today.

You know, I couldn't help but chime in here; I'm a freelance developer, and don't get to develop a lot for anything but work. So this brings me to a short manifesto (sorry I'm a marxist and I like to use the word when I can), even though it's just a list of observations I want to share:
1) No 'community' is better without someone [I hesitated to say anyone ]
1a) I feel this attitude is such a contradiction to the intent of
open-source. In other words, open-source, just not open-attitude.
1b) I'm not trying to be insulting, but I find it funny you
comment on the red-herring of someone's age, when I would think
someone closer to my age (I'm gathering you too are a gainfully employed
adult; we'll just say closer to 40 than 30 =) )...so I try to liken it to
working with people you don't necessarily like; caveat here is no ones
making a lot of/any money, so try to be a little more appreciative and
a little less judgmental (think off all these peeps work as a favor). Which
brings me to...
1c) "...he got into deving for this phone for the wrong reasons. This was
inevitable. I'm surprised he stuck THIS long." We need to get together
and start a business if u can read minds, and what the "wrong reasons"
for learning rom development might be...well I'll be thinking
on that one for a while
2) Is this even verified? I'm about to PM him and ask....he's been nothing
but polite and cordgial from what I've seen.
3) "That is the kind of quip Undead would regularly let go. And why???
Completely unnecessary." Ever occur to you that the community(YOU)
should complain about the post and get it removed? If it's that
bad it will be?
3a) Personally, I'd rather devs work on what they do best, bringing
us great ROM's!
3b) Maybe the community needs to police itself a little, your post
seemed to be pointless, IMHO; I mean, apparently you don't like
this guy, but I bet you use his $hit.
EDIT: Confirmed, he's finishing up some of his current stuff and moving on to another device...even mentioned the XDA rift as one of the reasons...guess you can make software open-source, but peoples' attitudes are just as big a barrier.
That's all...soap box is someone else's now

shanigami said:
You know, I couldn't help but chime in here; I'm a freelance developer, and don't get to develop a lot for anything but work. So this brings me to a short manifesto (sorry I'm a marxist and I like to use the word when I can), even though it's just a list of observations I want to share:
1) No 'community' is better without someone [I hesitated to say anyone ]
1a) I feel this attitude is such a contradiction to the intent of
open-source. In other words, open-source, just not open-attitude.
1b) I'm not trying to be insulting, but I find it funny you
comment on the red-herring of someone's age, when I would think
someone closer to my age (I'm gathering you too are a gainfully employed
adult; we'll just say closer to 40 than 30 =) )...so I try to liken it to
working with people you don't necessarily like; caveat here is no ones
making a lot of/any money, so try to be a little more appreciative and
a little less judgmental (think off all these peeps work as a favor). Which
brings me to...
1c) "...he got into deving for this phone for the wrong reasons. This was
inevitable. I'm surprised he stuck THIS long." We need to get together
and start a business if u can read minds, and what the "wrong reasons"
for learning rom development might be...well I'll be thinking
on that one for a while
2) Is this even verified? I'm about to PM him and ask....he's been nothing
but polite and cordgial from what I've seen.
3) "That is the kind of quip Undead would regularly let go. And why???
Completely unnecessary." Ever occur to you that the community(YOU)
should complain about the post and get it removed? If it's that
bad it will be?
3a) Personally, I'd rather devs work on what they do best, bringing
us great ROM's!
3b) Maybe the community needs to police itself a little, your post
seemed to be pointless, IMHO; I mean, apparently you don't like
this guy, but I bet you use his $hit.
EDIT: Confirmed, he's finishing up some of his current stuff and moving on to another device...even mentioned the XDA rift as one of the reasons...guess you can make software open-source, but peoples' attitudes are just as big a barrier.
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Wow. I'm impressed. That was very well said. FYI @_atlien_ I'm 27. I just got no patients for peoples stupidity. I pmed undeadk9 a long message. Thanking him for the time he did develop for us. Also @_atlien_ It is YOUR attitude and YOUR Stupidity asking bout unmarrying android and Google was by far the most stupid request I've even seen on any forum. YOU bring out the worst in people. Just saying. Rather then pointing fingers at undead why don't you look in the mirror. When people ask stupid questions it tends to piss off people. The community would actually be better off without YOU. Not undeadk9.
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AndroidBotx said:
wait wait wait...aren't you the same idiot who thought it was a good idea to "unmarry" android and Google? Lmfao. You might as well just keep your mouth shut. You got zero creditibilty in this discussion. I'm not even a dev and I know its not possible.
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Don't worry buddy, I've reported you
Technically it is possible to a certain extent. Just don't install any gapps

Ive never even seen anything undead released, i just got this phone last weekend, anyways its always sad to see a developer leave the scene, i come from the evo shift forums and we had some good development but nothing was updated and maintained there was always a new release that never seen updates, and i stepped up and did everything i could for them, and it was a very rewarding adventure....btw never sell anyone short because you all just got a couple new users than can dev a bit lol
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Seriously? I must be worng

wow i cant believe all the negativity!
I decided to poke around through some of the old threads here (only been on this forum since February) and i was shocked to see all the insults misconduct!
from the time i started tracking this forum i have seen nothing but nice and respectful people much like most of the other forums i frequent in xda.
I mean its not all too shocking this phone never got off the ground too much, anytime someone attempted and failed everyone attacked them for trying!
and when people did do some good they copy righted their work (HA!) so others cant use it? Okay i get it that no one should use anothers work without permission... but copyright pending :silly:
And maybe im mistaken but from what ive seen people were mostly using others hard work and then hardly giving them a highfive for it? i mean i never ask for thanks or donations or anything, really i dont care if people use my work or not, but i understand that many really want praise and they should get it when they work hard to make something.
Okay, like i said ive only been here a few months and i dont know the ins and outs of the Sidekick xda threads, but really a lot of childish bickering over nonsense... i guess im posting because im wondering if thats reall what this was like? i dont want to read every thread here but it sure appears to be an awful lot of name calling hair pulling. makes me think this kept good devs away....
eh just some thought, brakes done, time to get bake to studying for finals!

I think everyone posting is just in a constant bad mood because they have this really awesome piece of hardware, dated though it is, which is running an OS which keeps crashing on them 'cos they dared to open Google Maps or something else radical like that.

Yerp :/
I agree and I disagree.
aithnea may be right, but it doesn't make it okay. I have heard from many here that it was because of all the kids with their new SK4G barking orders and all the b****ing and complaining about progress. Now I won't lie, I am still hoping that something can pull through for us here with our Sidekicks, but I don't dare poke anybody around and bug them about leeway they have made. D: I don't like to deter the people we leave our hopes with on getting our device cooked up and made into the beauty it could be. I'm very greatful for RicAndroid and all of these cool new roms he has made, I give him many thanks and many props
As for the language, yes, horrible attitudes galore on these forums. I don't know how many times I have seen a member call a new member stupid or worse because they don't know where to start. I know they should look better, but come on. Be a little respectful huh?
I would love to get a taste of some real CM7 on the Sidekick, it truly is a good device, just we need that chance again. I wonder what bhundven is up to right now? 0.0

This forum is like any other: we need to be respectful and police ourselves. If we witness bad behavior, we should respectfully call it out or report it to the mods. When the devs go to the trouble of putting out ROMs or people answer each other's questions, we should at least thank them for it.

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