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[Q] Question about maintaining ROMs

I think we all realize that making these ROMs is just a hobby for most, but doesn't anyone want to make a fully stable one? From what I've seen since this phone rolled out, is that someone will make a ROM, update it a few times, and then it's just dust in the wind. Also the only 100% stable ROM is the stock ICS ROM; no? My point is not to criticize anyone for their hard work,but to rather ask the question; what is the point of tinkering with a ROM and never getting it to 100% before moving onto the next one? I know everyone is very appreciative of what goes on in this community, me included. I was just wondering if someone could shed some light on this question for me.
Also, just my two cents; It would be nice for someone to maintain a custom ICS ROM just so there can be an up to date ROM with nice features and wifi calling. =)

Instead of giving your 2 cents, do it yourself. What's your definition of stable. I've been on PAC since it's come out and have zero complaints. Your want stable? Don't root, don't flash, don't modify. There, perfectly stable. Saying "my point is not to criticize" doesn't absolve you from being completely ungrateful for the hard work it takes to do this. Do it yourself. XDA is a development forum, not completely 100 percent stable forum. Don't like it? Go get an iPhone.
Sent from a Blazing PACMAN devouring ALL...

Most of the roms are stable. You can find things to ***** about on any rom, including stock.
When it comes to something not getting fixed it can come down to the dev not enough time, or its not worth the effort, or they moved on to a different device. I mean is it really worth fixing a bug that 2 people are experiencing if it is going to take a few weeks away from your family, I don't think so. And that is about how solid 95% of the roms are. Give some props.
There are probably 25 ROMs over 4 revisions of android... Its our job as USERS to spend the time and effort to find one we like, and that suits us. If a ROM has a bug that is detrimental to the use you need, look at another one. So try not to criticize devs when you haven't done your due diligence as a user.

csssc said:
I think we all realize that making these ROMs is just a hobby for most, but doesn't anyone want to make a fully stable one? From what I've seen since this phone rolled out, is that someone will make a ROM, update it a few times, and then it's just dust in the wind. Also the only 100% stable ROM is the stock ICS ROM; no? My point is not to criticize anyone for their hard work,but to rather ask the question; what is the point of tinkering with a ROM and never getting it to 100% before moving onto the next one? I know everyone is very appreciative of what goes on in this community, me included. I was just wondering if someone could shed some light on this question for me.
Also, just my two cents; It would be nice for someone to maintain a custom ICS ROM just so there can be an up to date ROM with nice features and wifi calling. =)
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Fully stable is damn near impossible, man. There is sooo much involved in coding these ROMs it's literally staggering. These devs aren't software developers (not most of them) but just regular guys, working regular jobs like you and me. If you want completely stable best to stay stock rooted (so you can drop all that bloatware bull****) Most of these developers have day jobs that don't involve android and do this in their spare time, for us. To be frank, man, you did come across EXTREMELY critical, and the folks around here don't take kindly to that (just breath @njstein) What's the saying? Beggars can't be choosers? My point, if you want to run 4.3 your're gonna have to take the good with the bad, just suck it up and deal with the FEW bugs. I've been on 4.3 for a couple months now with no serious issues.. Just a few bugs. And for future reference, keep this kind of thing to yourself

I had no intention a dragging this into what it has become. Obviously no one understands the point I was making or the question I was asking. I'm not going to further this conversation anymore.

I don't understand why you are making a statement in general to all ROMs. The reason why the older ROMs are unsupported is because there is no reason to waste time updating them as the guy above explained. That's why you will never see halo on ICS. Now, 4.3 roms are supported at the moment. If you like an iPhone then congratulations.
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anactoraaron said:
Because if every dev stayed on ICS we'd have loads of folks asking if 'such and such device' will ever get a jb or kk rom. Seriously re-read the posts about how difficult it is to code. Your post is akin to asking someone to rebuild a car engine multiple times because every 5000 miles the thing misfires. Why did it misfire? Was it a plug/wire? Something in the valves/cylinder? Electrical? Fuel delivery? How many hours do you expect someone to waste tracking and rebuilding (sometimes rebuilding everything) for every bug in a rom- even the bugs properly reported with a log?
And I've yet to see any device from Sammy to HTC to lg or any device at all that's 100% stable - even on stock. And that's from companies that have software development teams.
And don't listen to those folks about getting an iPhone- that platform isn't 100% stable or perfect either. What you are looking for is a dumbphone.
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Yup.... Why keep rebuilding that 4 banger (ICS) when with the same amount of work you can drop in a V6 (jb 4.1). And the same when a V8 (jb 4.3) is available to drop in. Then the 4 and the 6 get scrapped for some extra beer money, and you tinker with the latest and greatest again.

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Haven't been on in awhile and I see an argument going on? C'mon guys. Okay, about maintaining ROMs, when maintaining there are nightly's based off the latest changes. The more changes lead to more better features (and maybe some bugs). Not all are stable. In fact, there is no such thing as a "fully stable" ROM. Even stock from Samsung isn't stable. And please, don't argue on here. Take it to PM or some other way to communicate. Not on here on a public thread. May I include, that I have an iPhone . Don't hate because the OS is not controllable. Its a nice OS and lots of great apps. But Android is specifacally better in my opinion. Don't hate me for that lol. Also, if you'd like to learn on how to dirty port a ROM just google it and let's see if you can make a "stable" ROM. Move on everyone. lol
Edit: I don't want the mods to come on here and waste their time. Keep it clean next time

xWolf13 said:
Haven't been on in awhile and I see an argument going on? C'mon guys. Okay, about maintaining ROMs, when maintaining there are nightly's based off the latest changes. The more changes lead to more better features (and maybe some bugs). Not all are stable. In fact, there is no such thing as a "fully stable" ROM. Even stock from Samsung isn't stable. And please, don't argue on here. Take it to PM or some other way to communicate. Not on here on a public thread. May I include, that I have an iPhone . Don't hate because the OS is not controllable. Its a nice OS and lots of great apps. But Android is specifacally better in my opinion. Don't hate me for that lol. Also, if you'd like to learn on how to dirty port a ROM just google it and let's see if you can make a "stable" ROM. Move on everyone. lol
Edit: I don't want the mods to come on here and waste their time. Keep it clean next time
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You're right. It's important to remember that no one here is under ANY obligation to share anything - roms, root, recoveries, mods, etc - with anyone. So lets just appreciate what we have. :thumbup:
Let's also get a mod to close this thread, nothing more good can come of it.

This trollfest has gone on long enough. The sheer amount of disrespect flying around astounds me. Read the rules folks.
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The future of P2-development

Good afternoon Lenovo P2-community,
I bought the P2 this week and afterwards I realised , that the main developers wzedlare and EypCnn left to the Moto G5-community just in time.
What about other developers or those who want to become one, is there a chance to see continous builds of LineageOS e.g.?
It would be extremely sad if not..
Please update me - how are the odds for a revival of the P2 development?
Best regards
swatchfb
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It's done once and twice officially. Thanks @mikeioannina

Unless we get a Dev that takes donations or something like that.

I for one would donate for an official lineage OS.

swatchfb said:
Good afternoon Lenovo P2-community,
I bought the P2 this week and afterwards I realised , that the main developers wzedlare and EypCnn left to the Moto G5-community just in time.
What about other developers or those who want to become one, is there a chance to see continous builds of LineageOS e.g.?
It would by extremely sad if not..
Please update me - how are the odds for a revival of the P2 development?
Best regards
swatchfb
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Yes it's really sad to see a this much good device not having the development it deserves.Its competitor redmi note 4 which is inferior to p2 has a lot better development. I think this device isn't sold much like moto g5 plus and redmi note 4.Atleast here in India, sale is very less and other devices have been sold at least upto 100 times more.I am still skeptical about the development.P1 doesn't have a great development either.We have roms but they are buggy.Would have been nice to have wzedlare and egypcnn here

I would donate too...
Damn, why did they go to the Moto G5? It's clearly a downgrade -.-

swatchfb said:
I would donate too...
Damn, why did they go to the Moto G5? It's clearly a downgrade -.-
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Exactly Even I don't get it.And they had done so much work for 3-4 months,They almost gave us a stable rom.P2 is so much better than g5.If it would have been g5 plus i would have understood but g5!!!.I don't understand

Buy me a second P2 to dedicate to development and I will gladly continue the bringup to the point of full functionality. While I do have a P2 myself I can't afford messing with it too much as it's my work phone and I need it to be stable and reachable.

MrColdbird said:
Buy me a second P2 to dedicate to development and I will gladly continue the bringup to the point of full functionality. While I do have a P2 myself I can't afford messing with it too much as it's my work phone and I need it to be stable and reachable.
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You can compile builds brother,we are here to test .I will be your tester.But please be there for at least 1-2 years.
Just like I do with my mi 4,I test builds and the developer has been there for at least 2 years.
But plz do something for this awesome device:crying:

I'm definitely not going to do "blind-runs" and jeopardize other people's devices with builds I haven't tested myself.
Not only is it irresponsible but also extremely slow to do, even with a group of dedicated testers.

As if we knew how many people are interested in it, one could think about a collection of money.

MrColdbird said:
I'm definitely not going to do "blind-runs" and jeopardize other people's devices with builds I haven't tested myself.
Not only is it irresponsible but also extremely slow to do, even with a group of dedicated testers.
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How unstable can they be , if calling and internet works,I don't mind flashing that build.If we want something for our device,we will have to do this.
Maybe yes that can be slow,I agree.But I don't think we will be able to raise that much money to buy a new device altogether.I am still a student I can't contribute money

If you trust me enough to do this then you can always hit the Donate button linked to my XDA profile.
Just make sure you leave a note on your donation telling me what the money is meant to be used for.
If enough money accumulates for a amazon.de order of an P2, then I can just straight out buy a development device there.
That is the beauty of XDA though, if enough people want it, and each of those people dishes out 5-10 bucks, then financing something like this is easy.

MrColdbird said:
If you trust me enough to do this then you can always hit the Donate button linked to my XDA profile.
Just make sure you leave a note on your donation telling me what the money is meant to be used for.
If enough money accumulates for a amazon.de order of an P2, then I can just straight out buy a development device there.
That is the beauty of XDA though, if enough people want it, and each of those people dishes out 5-10 bucks, then financing something like this is easy.
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Let's see if we are able to ,but I don't think there are enough people to contribute.We will have to wait for a new developer.Hope he comes soon....
Your zuk z1 is in working condition?I mean you use it or not?

I would spend 20 bucks.
Maybe we should do a survey to see how many would follow

reality1234 said:
Let's see if we are able to ,but I don't think there are enough people to contribute.We will have to wait for a new developer.Hope he comes soon....
Your zuk z1 is in working condition?I mean you use it or not?
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It's working fine and is currently in the possession of my wife.
Although I must admit she isn't the easiest-going woman and the device has seen its fair share of scruff marks since I've handed it over to her.

Hey why start from scratch when we have almost stable builds... Just ask permission for maintainer or just fork the changes. We already have a couple of working ROMs that are risk free. If you could, then try developing on it. Improve it.
Like everyone said raising money for a device is very difficult and slow. Try making modifications to the official RR or unofficial LOS. You'll receive donations for that I'm pretty sure you will.

Siva Mk said:
Hey why start from scratch when we have almost stable builds... Just ask permission for maintainer or just fork the changes. We already have a couple of working ROMs that are risk free. If you could, then try developing on it. Improve it.
Like everyone said raising money for a device is very difficult and slow. Try making modifications to the official RR or unofficial LOS. You'll receive donations for that I'm pretty sure you will.
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Very well said ,this makes more sense. Why do extra work when wzedlare and eypCnn worked for 3 months,just continue from that.And they have already said that any developer can continue from their work. :good:

Yep, sad to see a great phone like the P2 no longer have any development on XDA
Having said that the latest Nougat stock ROM is pretty good, especially in its deodexed version, and rooted. Some tweaks are missing though, like Ambient Display (is there really no way to add that with an APK ?) and customization of the pressed on the HOME button (like double-press). Now that the source code is out would it take a lot of work for a developer to add some of these tweaks ?

Okay the two Turkish devs we had left, but this is going nowhere. While donations are always appreciated asking for money to continue the development is a matter of bad taste imo. I can try to continue the Resurrection Remix builds. Also porting roms from Redmi Note 4X (SD625) should be pretty easy as the hardware is very similar. I had ported thousands of roms for Oukitel K6000 Pro, I was the first who brought Nougat to this phone (Dec 2016, when the official Nougat arrived 5 months later) and then back in time the community was in the same position lacking development so I was just driven to try it by myself. After all source code and device tree are all there, almost anyone with a basic knowledge and free time can build a rom. Give it time and I'm sure that new devs will appear.
Meanwhile I opened a new test builds thread

911-Future_Maker said:
Okay the two Turkish devs we had left, but this is going nowhere. While donations are always appreciated asking for money to continue the development is a matter of bad taste imo. I can try to continue the Resurrection Remix builds. Also porting roms from Redmi Note 4X (SD625) should be pretty easy as the hardware is very similar. I had ported thousands of roms for Oukitel K6000 Pro, I was the first who brought Nougat to this phone (Dec 2016, when the official Nougat arrived 5 months later) and then back in time the community was in the same position lacking development so I was just driven to try it by myself. After all source code and device tree are all there, almost anyone with a basic knowledge and free time can build a rom. Give it time and I'm sure that new devs will appear.
Meanwhile I opened a new test builds thread
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It is easy to port from Redmi 4.I know it because I ported some roms in the past.
Take etc/firmware from p2.
Take kernel(zimage) from p2
Take fstab.qcom and ueventd.qcom.rc from p2.Then it will boot but you will have a lot of bugs.It is nice to see someone hustling for a rom.If you want to port from redmi note 4, you should also take whole /vendor folder.Good luck.

Pixel Experience!!!! Please someone continue the project!

This has been my daily driver from when it started... Now seeing the that Pixel Experience will no longer receive any update! It feels so sad now! Please.... Someone keep it alive!

Keep patience, and donate some value to Henrique, to support RN5Pro support.

jimmy123322 said:
Keep patience, and donate some value to Henrique, to support RN5Pro support.
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Honestly, i dont think someone should. This community doesnt deserve this lol. Why would someone spend their time, only to get bothered with nonsense questions, requests, demands all the time. Get blamed for bugs, which arent even rom fault, never get any logs etc etc.. I could continue this list on and on and on. 80% of users here are ungrateful noobs that cant even read OP or last 3 posts, not even talking about using search function. So yeah, i dont wish that to any dev. Thats all my for my rant.

Plekst said:
Honestly, i dont think someone should. This community doesnt deserve this lol. Why would someone spend their time, only to get bothered with nonsense questions, requests, demands all the time. Get blamed for bugs, which arent even rom fault, never get any logs etc etc.. I could continue this list on and on and on. 80% of users here are ungrateful noobs that cant even read OP or last 3 posts, not even talking about using search function. So yeah, i dont wish that to any dev. Thats all my for my rant.
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You said it: 80% are ungrateful. That means that 20% correctly thank the work of @jhenrique09 . Please dev, continue your great work for that 20% of people in this community.

Just to say i will greatly miss this rom too...

Plekst said:
Honestly, i dont think someone should. This community doesnt deserve this lol. Why would someone spend their time, only to get bothered with nonsense questions, requests, demands all the time. Get blamed for bugs, which arent even rom fault, never get any logs etc etc.. I could continue this list on and on and on. 80% of users here are ungrateful noobs that cant even read OP or last 3 posts, not even talking about using search function. So yeah, i dont wish that to any dev. Thats all my for my rant.
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I agree with you too! They always complain about useless stuff! But please!!! It's absurd but I've fallen in love with Pixel Experience! And if there's no further update.... I don't think I'll switch to any other rom either! PE is just sooo awesome! And ...again I understand what you say, but believe me.... There are some who genuinely appreciate all Devs works! And love to use their products! Anyways... I still hope a resurrection of PE someday ?

kamnikaz said:
Just to say i will greatly miss this rom too...
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Same mate!

+1... It was best ROM for Whyred

Just move one. There is lots of ROM out there don't know why people freaking about it lol.

Here's what Whyred XDA Community deserve.
Community really never helped the developer Who has developed the rom without the device (and yes, it was painfull for him with 300 reported problems and zero logs).

0veR said:
Just move one. There is lots of ROM out there don't know why people freaking about it lol.
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been using many rom, on many devices and for many years now.
This one was for me on whyred the most stable (or the most quickly fixed), keeping battery pretty good and with a good concept. I even used it on other devices since i liked it a lot.
That's the reason why it bother us.
the dev made a great job maintaining this ROM and was updating it regularly. for the first time i consider staying on a ROM that is potentially no more developped

The best custom rom, it's custom but it's cleanest

If you ever wonder why devs struggle to find motivation to work for the community, just find the first Pie FW update from henrique in PE thread and read the posts until the last page. Despite the fact that it was clearly noted to update firmware to Pie version and it was written how to do it, there were 4-5 pages per day (not posts, PAGES) filled with questions:
- bootloop, help pls
- can't flash, error in twrp
- how to update
Literally.
And that's everything you need to know about Whyred community.

1- If the rom is stable, you can live without updates.
2- José is "back", he bought a new whyred.

onliner said:
1- If the rom is stable, you can live without updates.
2- José is "back", he bought a new whyred.
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Yeah... If people just explore the forum more and do what he says to do... There wouldn't be any problems... The fill pages writing about questions. And it isn't a sign of wit! But PE is like love for a few people! And I eagerly want it comes back!

Never bothered to update my PE (december 5 rom) since it came out. Is running as smoothly as can be, so why mess with a good thing? Will probably keep it until next device, maybe next year.

Is there an archive with the older pixel experience roms and their respective changelogs somewhere?

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Never bothered to update my PE (december 5 rom) since it came out. Is running as smoothly as can be, so why mess with a good thing? Will probably keep it until next device, maybe next year.
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The latest update has much more features, there May be more coming. Plus, security updates.
Sent from my Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 using XDA Labs

The developers must link their jobs, social life etc. with making great roms. They need to sacrifice their free time to maintain the rom, fix the problems they encounter with debugging and people complain because they almost never read OP. Without thanking the dev, supporting him, what kind of monsters have this community become? Asking simple questions, which they just can search in like 5 seconds to find an answer... Shame on those people, may they regret now what've they done.

N1ck474 said:
Here's what Whyred XDA Community deserve.
Community really never helped the developer Who has developed the rom without the device (and yes, it was painfull for him with 300 reported problems and zero logs).
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Most of the devs are stopping because of the annoyances of the users, even more when the person does not have a device, it gets worse.

New ROM for Pixel 3 series? [Looking for Alpha Testers]

Hello everyone,
Over the past few years the custom ROM scene has been dwindling. The Nexus and Pixel devices are suppose to be the crown jewl of development but that has began to fade. I was thinking of committing to a new ROM for Pixel devices (and possibly Essential devices down the road) since these are the easiest to maintain. The ROM wouldn't be packed with the most features, but take an approach similar to Oxygen OS: only add meaningful features and maintain the AOSP look and feel. I would also make it a point to keep the ROM up to date with the latest security patches and bug fixes from Google (security and stability would be priority). I have quite a bit of development experience from the past and was wondering how much support and "want" there is for a project like this? Anyone who would be interested in a ROM like this just like this thread and comment any feedback/suggestions/questions. If there is enough support for this project I will commit to it but I want to gauge public response first.
Cheers,
Shawn
Edit: It's worth noting the project would be open source.
Edit 2: If you would like to be an Alpha Tester for this project visit the following post: Link

o/

Yes I've been saying this and it kinda sucks cuz I love flashing different roms , mods etc lol so a new rom for Pixel 3xl (my device) with features from various roms and being stable would be cool. Any requests feature wise I won't mind letting you know. Hope you do decide to make one soon. Thanks and good luck!

All roms welcomed!

Hell yea! So lacking right now in terms of ROMs for these devices.

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Hell yea! So lacking right now in terms of ROMs for these devices.
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I would love another custom ROM that has support for 3minite battery given that I haven't been able to get it working on any custom ROM.
Sent from my Pixel 3 XL

I'd go for it. I would like to see something for oreo

It would be fantastic to have some more options. I came from Pixel 2XL to Pixel 3XL and the ROM flashing choices dropped, DRAMATICALLY. Luckily I've been getting my fill by testing for the AquariOS team, so that fulfills my need to flash regularly but it'd be great to see some more action in the forum. I'm sure there will be plenty of support for your decision, if you decide to move forward with it.

I'd love to see a really minimal and stable AOSP with a really active mod/flash community for those that like to add sprinkles.

Mos Def Interested!!!
It would be something I would be interested in for sure.
:good:

Of course. Variety is the spice of life.
Maybe you can figure out why Sprint devices can't send MMS.

I would like to see LOS. I used Cyanogen for years.

I really wish this could happen and be made possible.
Sent from my Pixel 3 XL

Shawn5162 said:
Hello everyone,
Over the past few years the custom ROM scene has been dwindling. The Nexus and Pixel devices are suppose to be the crown jewl of development but that has began to fade. I was thinking of committing to a new ROM for Pixel devices (and possibly Essential devices down the road) since these are the easiest to maintain. The ROM wouldn't be packed with the most features, but take an approach similar to Oxygen OS: only add meaningful features and maintain the AOSP look and feel. I would also make it a point to keep the ROM up to date with the latest security patches and bug fixes from Google (security and stability would be priority). I have quite a bit of development experience from the past and was wondering how much support and "want" there is for a project like this? Anyone who would be interested in a ROM like this just like this thread and comment any feedback/suggestions/questions. If there is enough support for this project I will commit to it but I want to gauge public response first.
Cheers,
Shawn
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The biggest reason for lack of development is the cost of the device, I gave almost $1200 for mine, after the "insurance".
Going back to Nexus days, the things were less than half that price, hopefully the A series will bring some life back....

Alpha Testers
Hello all,
Thanks for all the positive responses and feedback. I am strongly leaning towards committing to the project but wanted to see how many people would be willing to be Alpha Testers for the project.
More information on the various ROM release types and what to expect in Alpha builds, visit: http://bit.ly/2Zz9Koa
Finally, if you are interested in helping test the ROM fill out the following form: https://forms.gle/ypr2yu9jbX6MwBZZ9
- Shawn

Shawn5162 said:
Hello all,
Thanks for all the positive responses and feedback. I am strongly leaning towards committing to the project but wanted to see how many people would be willing to be Alpha Testers for the project.
More information on the various ROM release types and what to expect in Alpha builds, visit: http://bit.ly/2Zz9Koa
Finally, if you are interested in helping test the ROM fill out the following form: https://forms.gle/ypr2yu9jbX6MwBZZ9
- Shawn
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Just FYI, making people have a Slack account to participate is a no no, nothing else wrong with your application though

I have Slack, but it's only for work..I would rather not provide that. Any other way? Perhaps Telegram instead? Or give us an organization to use outside of our likely employers?

NepoRood said:
Just FYI, making people have a Slack account to participate is a no no, nothing else wrong with your application though
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Thank you for pointing that out! I've adjusting the form, removing that question!

jbarcus81 said:
I have Slack, but it's only for work..I would rather not provide that. Any other way? Perhaps Telegram instead? Or give us an organization to use outside of our likely employers?
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I have removed the Slack option from the form so you can fill it out now without any issue. For now we can just XDA Private Messages and go from there towards an alternative in the future.

Are you still working on it?

General Nameless seems to have returned. Let's not have a repeat of last time. Read comments, ask for help, be respectful and thankful.

Ultra Mega Edit... Edit: Nameless appears to be back. As to not have a repeat of last time, I am going to say something that most of you will reply to with "yeah, duh."
If you need help with any ROM (and you read all the comments) just ask in the thread of said project. SO many great people here are always willing to help others. Just be respectful.
Remember, maintainers aren't in this for the money (but please feel free to donate to the projects you feel bring value to your life) so keep that in mind, if you ever feel like you are losing your composure/ ability to act like an adult.
You can criticize respectfully and disagree respectfully, but there's never a need to be rude here. We're all here for the same reason and lucky to have so many developers offering us options beyond OOS.
Even if you donate, that doesn't give you the right to treat anyone like they "owe you." People like that are the same type of jerks that treat service industry employees sub-par (and everyone thinks people that do that are a-holes, don't make anyone think you are an a-hole.)
Now let's all kiss and enjoy all the wonderful ROM options in the OP9 scene at this moment.
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Edit: this isn't a call-out to harass ANYONE. it's just a ROM. let's just talk like adults? Yeah?
Also, added photos in case it gets nuked or buried by newer posts and hard to find.
Lastly, This is no judgement against staff doing what a user requested with their own thread.
In the end, The Maintainer can do or decide not to do whatever they feel.
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I guess this can be a place for current Nameless OS users can come and discuss their potential replacements or any assistance they may need.
I updated both back to back OTA's last night and it seems to be functional, but with him more concerned about closing the thread and having it locked than any communication on why, I fear there may be issues that suggest anyone on nameless should get on anything else ASAP.
loved the ROM but this move is a little beyond the pale.

As for ROM replacements, I havent a clue. I am not looking into it today. My only "must have" is Google Phone with AI call screening. I recently found a moded apk install of it that doesn't even require a magisk module or messing with google services cache.
I have to scan it with hybrid analysis, virus total and maybe look through Alien Vault to assure its safe. After that, I would be more than happy sharing its info here.
I also know i dont want to go back to OOS or just Lineage itself. I see several options and will definitely be checking them out on a less busy day.
Hope everyone is doing well.

Part of the messages and one of the reasons, for anyone wondering.
Some people just can't hold it back. There was an issue with a build that made some people factory reset, setup their device again, so they got angry, directly in the dev's chat...Bo-ho.

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Part of the messages and one of the reasons, for anyone wondering.
Some people just can't hold it back. There was an issue with a build that made some people factory reset, setup their device again, so they go angry...Bo-ho.
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So just newer people complaining about how the information about C62 requirement was handled?
I agree, the information could have been communicated a bit better BUT, there was at least a month long/5 pages of people discussing it, helping with precise requirements and details to assure a functional deployment.
I even wrote a whole how to based on the information smarter people helped me figure out in previous posts.
in the end, the person was doing us a favor for free, and they probably felt they were being preached to and complained at more than thanked / tipped.
I see both sides, but hope everyone agrees Chandu has never and will never owe us anything, regardless how the ending of support makes you feel. If anything, I fear this community, including myself, should have tried to show more appreciation and bring up concerns a little more elegantly. Maybe I'm wrong on that, but it's what I feel at this moment.
Thanks for the insight @ekin_strops

At least i wasn't ignored. Insulted, but not ignored. Gotta look on the bright side.
im on CrDroid, lets you manage your own GApps with Nik. you will need to flash 3 newer btfo, vendor_boot and vendor images, but its pretty easy.
Just follow the how-to.

It's disappointing. I was so excited to see new updates for this ROM. Since it was the only one for the 9 that has a lot of customization..
I'm going to wait on this ROM for a month or two before trying something else.. I just hope the 9 isn't dead for custom ROM scene because I bought this phone purely for modding purposes. Might have to go back to my OnePlus nord.

Ill preface this by saying, they didn't owe us anything and can do whatever they please, but with that being said, they had subpar communication skills regarding updates and the requirements to carry them out. if it wernt for other users, i wouldn't have got up and running.
Also the last build had serious issues with locking/unlocking and battery drain issues. Before the comment from ekin above, i really bet on them just quitting for being way over their head. Not technically, they are obviously more than capable and very much so, at that. i mean work load.
that paired with his temper tantrum fueled rage-quitting and calling a whole community "stupid retards" its fair to say users are better off on relying on something more stable (OS and Developer wise)

best rom out there is now gone

Such a shame really as it really was one of the best roms I tried along with CrDroid. I'm glad I'm not on it anymore. I had nothing but issues with the 62 firmware and had to go back to OOS. Luckily my apps were backed up via Swift Backup. I couldn't get any help myself.

Glad that I went back to OOS because it would suck to have to switch ROMs again. Honestly I understand why the dev got ticked off, it is ungrateful people like that which keep me from really diving into development (as I already had to deal with it with another community where I made the mistake of getting involved), but I mean I didn't really see anything all that bad, just some people expressing their frustration at having to reset their devices. It's a time consuming process and I would have had to vent somewhere about it too. What's more likely is that this is something that has been building up for awhile with 9 users and that was the straw that broke the camel's back.

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It's disappointing. I was so excited to see new updates for this ROM. Since it was the only one for the 9 that has a lot of customization..
I'm going to wait on this ROM for a month or two before trying something else.. I just hope the 9 isn't dead for custom ROM scene because I bought this phone purely for modding purposes. Might have to go back to my OnePlus nord.
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untestefeveryGlad that I went back to OOS because it would suck to have to switch ROMs again. Honestly I understand why the dev got ticked off, it is ungrateful people like that which keep me from really diving into development (as I already had to deal with it with another community where I made the mistake of getting involved), but I mean I didn't really see anything all that bad, just some people expressing their frustration at having to reset their devices. It's a time consuming process and I would have had to vent somewhere about it too. What's more likely is that this is something that has been building up for awhile with 9 users and that was the straw that broke the camel'I get it itoo, but at the same time, he was blind building OP9 this whole time and didnt make that clear in the announcement thread.
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if he would have made it clear to the userbase that his main support was OP9pro because that was the phone he and that OP9, im confident he wouldnt have got his feelsing hurt so much.
Hell, Im sure users would have volunteered to assist on testing with theirs.
****, if I knew that, I would have just followed the nameless pro thread , reported errors with the pretense and understanding he doesn't even have the same device to test on and people would have had. amkre "take it or leave it" approach. .
Instead. He built both while only having the means to test/dev properly for one and didnt feel that was information. The users might have benfieted from knowing about.
But again, that goes right back to poor communication skills. We got release notes and then not much else.
The thread is up, people can go see how little is there, how he didn't make it clear he wasnt even OP9 user, which is just Rich.
I'm sorry, but to go this long with a consistant issue commuicating important details and then rage quit when people ask for a little release etiquette is low. all he had to do was comminicate the facts of the situation, it makes his rage quit and childish name calling all that more pathetic.

This is how custom ROM development has always been. A new android version is released, and a lot of time is spent getting it to boot, then ironing out the issues and fixing bugs, features get ported / merged over from the previous android version, new bugs crop up, those get worked on, and right around the time it's almost perfect, a new android version drops, and the process starts over. Sometimes the cycle doesn't even make it that far and the next android version gets moved onto before the last versions issues got fixed. A custom rom will almost always have some small issue / quirk / bug that hasn't gotten worked out yet. This is also part of what makes it fun to me. I'm altering the way the device was intended to operate by the manufacturer many times against their wishes. That's why they typically try to prevent it. We're on the cutting edge, and dealing with the issues is part of it. I don't believe making 12L custom ROMs rock solid is going to happen, A13 is right there. It probably won't be long and we'll be running A13 ROMs, and y'all can whine about that. Resetting the phone has always been a part of this, sometimes unforseen, so have measures in place to prevent data loss.

Hey @applyscience, I am not sure if this thread is the best to ask you this.
I noticed you have been testing basically every ROM for our beloved OP9 and you ended up on PEX as the best all-around ROM so far.
My question is, I just noticed on the StagOS thread that the files had been updated but no comments from the DEV on that nor any mention on the OP9 on the official StagOS website doesn't even mention it.
Did you end up testing StagOS too?
I am a bit skeptical about testing the ROM because I can't find any further information on the development state of this ROM.

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Hey @applyscience, I am not sure if this thread is the best to ask you this.
I noticed you have been testing basically every ROM for our beloved OP9 and you ended up on PEX as the best all-around ROM so far.
My question is, I just noticed on the StagOS thread that the files had been updated but no comments from the DEV on that nor any mention on the OP9 on the official StagOS website doesn't even mention it.
Did you end up testing StagOS too?
I am a bit skeptical about testing the ROM because I can't find any further information on the development state of this ROM.
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I am currently on stag is 13 beta.
Came from pixel experience 12.1 crdroid and stag seem to be the best maintained on oneplus9 right now.
Stag 13 is barebones (hence beta) but its solid. Just lacks a little customization options, nothing bad for my use. Its honestly very impressive work by the maintainer
I took the 13 route because every 12.1 ROM had battery issues for me, even with debloating and kernel tweaks.
Have only been on 13 for half a day so I can't say, but the A13 added features makes me concerned it won't be a huge difference with battery.
Either way, I would def check stag or crdroid

Has anyone successfuly dirty flashed any other rom over nameless? I understand that it's not "advisable" and you won't get any support. But has any one successfuly booted an other rom over nameless?

derpfest, nameless, oneplus 9 just seems like the phone that attracts ragequitters

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derpfest, nameless, oneplus 9 just seems like the phone that attracts ragequitters
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Nameless came from derp, probably the same scene/people. Spent a few days as a lurker on the TGs and feel its honestly for the best that the bandid was ripped off sooner than later.
StagOS is killing it, on the 13 beta now and loving it. CrDroid is even keeping up with updates.
Both sides are better off now, I hope. I know OP9 is.

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OP9 support is back and thread will be reopened soon. I hope those toxic crybabies have learnt their lesson now.
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I thought it may come back and have been waiting...
keen to try it out again.
-lets hope that the people decide to keep it cool this time and don't piss off the Devs...

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OP9 support is back and thread will be reopened soon. I hope those toxic crybabies have learnt their lesson now.
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If the maintainer is still blind building OP9 off only having OP Pro, I'll just sit it out and monitor the situation.
Android 13 is screwy enough as is seeing as its in beta but its an enjoyable venture (and if hes still on A 12, which is probably a good idea, Im kinda hooked on A 13s process.)
Either way, great news. I'm just cautious.
Nameless was still the best until near the stoppage, would.love to see it rise back up to that point.

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9 pro and 9 are not that different. Everything working fine on 9. That maintainer is not some small dev. He brought oos cam to custom roms.
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i know, ive never downplayed his abilities or know how, the only criticism i ever have was how he quit last time and the lack of communication. That being said, NamelessOS was (i guess is? i don't have the latest yet) the best ROM and it was due to the decisions, additions and know how of the maintainer.
I mean, heck, Why do ya think I made this thread? Because losing Nameless meant something to me, as it did to a lot of us. Im just a "once bitten, twice shy" type of person. I hope its around for a while so I can move back to it and be stable and content again.