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[Q] Cyanogenmod vs. Liquidsmooth (JB 4.2.1 Comp)

Wondering if anybody could provide compelling reasons to be utilizing Cyanogenmod or Liquidsmooth over the other? I believe that Liquidsmooth is based on the CM tree, but am having trouble finding differences between the two at this point (with both using JellyBean 4.2.1 builds). Does anybody have experience with one of these recent builds running more stably than the other?
FYI, I'm running an unlocked Verizon Galaxy S3 (and loving it!).
Thanks in advance!

IMHO, Liquid is more stable. The difference with their rom is that they add their own tweaks and apps and such. Cm is like the base 4.2 for all aosp roms. They each have their own unique features but with my experience, Liquid has been more stable
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um i dont think we can choose between the 2 if im not mistaken liquidsmooth is Cyanogen based

Alright, I'll be the bad guy.
Most notorious thiefs in the biz. Refuse to give credit (even when asked numerous times by mods -- I've seen the PMs) and basically a paid service with the sheer amount of times they ask for donations. Almost begging -- pathetic.
If you've been around long enough, you'd know their OP did NOT read like it does now. That took years. I used to run Liquid on my D1, then I heard (and saw) from a little birdy what they're all about. Saw the evidence and my eyes were opened.
I swiftly blocked both Liquid team members from my gtalk and haven't ran it since. I pity the fool who gives them a dime. Way better alternatives that don't beg for money like a panhandler...
Flame on.
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1ManWolfePack said:
Alright, I'll be the bad guy.
Most notorious thiefs in the biz. Refuse to give credit (even when asked numerous times by mods -- I've seen the PMs) and basically a paid service with the sheer amount of times they ask for donations. Almost begging -- pathetic.
If you've been around long enough, you'd know their OP did NOT read like it does now. That took years. I used to run Liquid on my D1, then I heard (and saw) from a little birdy what they're all about. Saw the evidence and my eyes were opened.
***SNIP***
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Thanks 1ManWolfePack - I appreciate the candid response. Hopefully the LS team is operating a bit more honestly these days, but I'll give base CM another go and hope I can get it to run stably. I've actually had similar experience so far as BraddahBoi808 in that the LS 4.2.1 builds have been more stable, but I'm looking for better battery life and hope recent CM builds will provide it (perhaps in conjunction with a new kernel).

In my experience, I've found CM to be a lot smoother than Liquid. In fact, I never really found Liquid to be as "LiquidSmooth" as they say. I only used it when I did because it was one of the only roms available at first on the N7 and Verizon GN.
Of course I'll choose the Big Three over Liquid anyday.

SwiftLegend said:
In my experience, I've found CM to be a lot smoother than Liquid. In fact, I never really found Liquid to be as "LiquidSmooth" as they say. I only used it when I did because it was one of the only roms available at first on the N7 and Verizon GN.
Of course I'll choose the Big Three over Liquid anyday.
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Thanks SwiftLegend - really appreciate the feedback. I've installed the latest nightly of CM10.1 successfully, but it's still got a bluetooth issue so I'm looking around at other options (which I enjoy doing anyway). Excuse the question, but what are the big three that you've referred to? One is clearly Cyanogenmod, guessing a second is AOKP, and is the third by chance MIUI?

I ran Liquid ICS and 4.1 on my Nexus for a while. Was nice, didnt have any issues and had a little more of the customization pulls included.
Have run CM also. Would have liked a little more customization, but again no big issues here either.
Try both.What do you have to lose? 30 min
BTW, where do you see a liquid build for our device?

Sir-Lancelot said:
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BTW, where do you see a liquid build for our device?
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I actually did run both... have used CM in the past and was using LS recently. Couldn't really find any significant differences and was wondering if others had found them.
Sorry to have gotten your hopes up re: a LS build for the Galaxy Note II - I realized after the fact that I posted in the wrong device forum (I'm using a Galaxy SIII) but still got relevant responses so left the thread as-is. Hope a build comes out for the Note II soon for you though!

carpdeeem said:
Thanks SwiftLegend - really appreciate the feedback. I've installed the latest nightly of CM10.1 successfully, but it's still got a bluetooth issue so I'm looking around at other options (which I enjoy doing anyway). Excuse the question, but what are the big three that you've referred to? One is clearly Cyanogenmod, guessing a second is AOKP, and is the third by chance MIUI?
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CyanogenMod, AOKP, and Paranoid Android (PA)

This is the Note II section
I will move to the S3 for you
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kennyglass123 said:
This is the Note II section
I will move to the S3 for you
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Thanks Kenny - realized my error after the fact. I appreciate your assistance!

SwiftLegend said:
CyanogenMod, AOKP, and Paranoid Android (PA)
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Very interesting... hadn't noted PA before... looks like a VERY interesting ROM, but unfortunately not available (as I can tell) for the VZW G3, and certainly not in 4.2.1 flavor yet.
In the meantime, I think I'll be monitoring CM & LS for the first stable 4.2.1 build that includes functional bluetooth, GPS, and streaming audio. LS beta 1 version A has actually been the closest I've found thus far, but the battery life was horrendous.

CM 10.1 works a lot better on my phone than liquid smooth. The latest of liquids betas freeze up my phone, won't let it wake up, and I have to keep toggling data on and off to keep it.

Well this is an interesting thread.
I'm the team liquid communications guy. Here's what I can tell you about what we do. Bear in mind, I'm not a dev - I'm here specifically to handle releases, etc.
The team is made up of a few core devs. Liquid0624, nocoast, and winner00. Occasionally hiemanshu as well but lately I think he's travelling. By far Liquid0624 makes up the core of what this rom is.
We were based on CM briefly for 4.1.2, but are back to AOSP. We didn't care for the CM base. Here's what we do - we take the AOSP code, and optimize the hell out of it. Our roms are ~100mb. We then start to add in features. We tend to go for the same popular features everyone else likes. Generally more than CM, but not so jammed with features as AOKP can be. Sometimes too much of a good thing is too much.
Credit is always given. If we miss it, it's an oversight. Given I'm not really a dev, I can see that happening and I shall endeavor to ensure that better care is taken for such things. I absolutely agree that such things deserve credit, always.
Do we need donations? You bet. We're a tiny little team, and Liquid0624 does this as his job. He works at least 12 hours a day on this, and is often pestering me at all hours of the night about new releases, etc. This is his life. So yeah, we need donations. Without them Liquid (whose name is Ryan, by the way) can't afford to keep doing this, and that means the rom dies. I'm doing this for free simply because I saw a need for a dedicated communications guy and wanted to keep that from happening. I know there's a rep. I understand why. I even agree that in the past things were stated in such a way as to make it seem like this was a pay-for-play operation. That's why I joined the team - I knew how it was on the inside and I saw the perceptions, and they didn't match.
That's the thing, really. This is not a pay-for-play operation. Literally the second a release is completed, I'm getting pings from Ryan. He doesn't like to hold onto things. I wish he would sometimes, and have actually started a group that helps to address that - more on that later. But there is no release we've ever held onto or not released to the public. Ever. Never, ever, ever. This is an open source based rom, and our code is freely available, our builds are freely available - always will be.
I'm always working on ways to make things even better. We created a "producers" group for folks who donate a certain amount. These folks get slightly better access to our devs via a google groups community - mostly chitchat back and forth. I've taken to posting builds there a little (couple hours) sooner, just to get some early testing done, but I think I've done that a total of twice. Most of the time Ryan is hot to get things out the door and into your hands. It's a way of us to say thanks to our supporters. We also are working on other ways to do so as well, because without our supporters we wouldn't exist. One of these days we'd like to have a paid app of some kind so folks can donate that way as well if they want. Maybe we will.
So that's the deal. We're in a place that all devs are in who can't afford to do this for free. We're passionate about android, we want to bring you the best rom possible - this is our daily driver too - but we need to literally keep the lights on and keep Ryan's family fed. So we need to ask for donations constantly. Would we rather not? You bet. But it is what it is, and it's a line we walk. Believe me when I say that no one is making retirement money, here. I have a family myself, and sometimes I think Ryan might be insane. There's zero doubt that he's passionate about this stuff, or he wouldn't be doing it.
But 1ManWolfePack, I'm going to argue to the end that we're a team of thieves. We work with other devs, we contribute code, we use code and credit it - just like the rest of the dev community. If you want to converse more about this privately, I'm more than willing. I will always take suggestions. It's a difficult line to walk - we think we've got something great, and want to give it to the world - but we do need to get something for the amazing amounts of time we spend, or we physically can't do it anymore.
Derek
Team Liquid

You don't have to donate if you don't want to.. It's free to the population... And imo its the best out there.. They get my money because I like the rom and it's my gift of gratitude back...
I don't know if you're broke or cheap, but to slander them for something that is technically free? You don't wanna donate? Don't.. Simple as that
Sent from my galaxy nexus using Xparent Purple Tapatalk 2

You must be rich. Maybe you should make a rom and give it for out free. Fail to understand your "Most notorious thiefs"
Your comment is worth a grain of salt.
1ManWolfePack said:
Alright, I'll be the bad guy.
Most notorious thiefs in the biz. Refuse to give credit (even when asked numerous times by mods -- I've seen the PMs) and basically a paid service with the sheer amount of times they ask for donations. Almost begging -- pathetic.
If you've been around long enough, you'd know their OP did NOT read like it does now. That took years. I used to run Liquid on my D1, then I heard (and saw) from a little birdy what they're all about. Saw the evidence and my eyes were opened.
I swiftly blocked both Liquid team members from my gtalk and haven't ran it since. I pity the fool who gives them a dime. Way better alternatives that don't beg for money like a panhandler...
Flame on.
Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2
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I just want to chime in the LS will have many more useful features than CM will have. CM is a great ROM, and I have ran it much more recently than I have ran liquid, but if I had to choose one it would probably be liquid. The team is very engaging and kind.
Yes, they ask for donations, but there are reasons for it, and it has no affect on your access of the ROM. I am running AOKP JB M1 at the moment, but once liquid has their first stable version of 4.2.1 ready for the GNex I will probably jump on.
Also, they base off of AOSP more often than not, and yes...I have been around since the D1 days.
Best,
RC3

Liquidsmooth on Gnex has been stellar for me. Everytime I stray to a different ROM I always end up back to Liquidsmooth. Everything else has been laggy and slow for me. Can't answer for the SIII.
As far as the begging for money comment, I have never felt any kind of pressure to donate. When I do donate, I don't expect anything, just saying thanks to their team for the countless hours spent on putting the ROM together and they sure appreciate it.
Edit: Just to add, they don't treat me any different than anybody else whether I donate or not. I still get the ROM's in a timely manner either way. Matter of fact, just when I finished setting up Beta1D, here somes Beta2.

This may not be my place to chime in but i will anyways. I've been using LiquidSmooth roms since the OG Droid days, they were always what i expected back then and deeply contributed to my keeping that phone for so long. I donated a few times simply because i wanted to show my appreciation for there work (its like when doormen at hotels carry your bags to your room and you give them a few bucks, its to show appreciation, its not mandatory but it helps them) did i ever receive benefits for these donations? Hell no, did i expect them? Hell no. I simply did it because i wanted to show my appreciation for there work its that simple.
Now onto this "team of thieves" i see plenty of credits given in there posts.
Example A:
toxicthunder said:
Ours is an open source project. Please feel free to look at our code on LiquidSmooth GitHub
We would like to thank CyanogenMod for their device trees, framework/settings mods and their code that was incorporated into this project.
Furthermore, we also extend our gratitude to AOKP, Team CNA and Team EOS for parts of their code that we have incorporated.[/SIZE][/FONT]IMPORTANT NOTE:
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Now that doesn't look like a post that's 'stealing' its giving credit to others code that has been incorporated into the rom. Its not stealing at all. They also leave there entire project as open source, again if somebody is stealing why leave it open source? They leave it that way so if another developers see's something they like, they can contact them about using it in there rom. EVERY single rom created is almost guaranteed to have some idea borrowed from another developer, why? Because its open source, and each developer wants to try and give the users what they want. Stealing would be taking code without asking and then not giving credit, but this is the opposite. So again are they thieves? Nope, you might wanna get your facts checked, and knowledge checked, and evidence checked before making outrageous accusations.
Onto the "begging" thing, where in there thread are they begging for money? Posting a release with a link to the rom, gapps and donation link is NOT begging at all. Posting on twitter that liquids computer died and asking for donations to help him fix that so roms can continue to be developed is NOT begging. Its simply reminding "hey we have a donation link just in case you're feeling generous" when have they ever said "No donation, no rom!" lets see.... never, because that's not how it works. If you want to donate then that is your choice, you don't have a gun to your head, and you aren't paying for the rom. I still donate because i appreciate the work, and know how much time and effort goes into it. I also know that computer parts aren't cheap and that every donation helps. Asking for a simple donation that's a DONATION (not mandatory, not required, etc) is nowhere near begging. Sitting on the corner everyday on your hands and knees asking people for money that's begging. Telling someone "you can only have the download link if you donate 5$" is considered "pay to use", saying "Here's the link, gapps, and donation link" that's not 'pay to use' that's free to use with an option to donate.
And my finally, for somebody who claims liquid is this big bad terrible thieving team, i see no evidence of it, and i highly doubt there is any because its not true. You made some pretty big claims with nothing to back it up except "a little birdy told me" okay well a little birdy also told me that i could fly if i jumped off a bridge, but we both know that's not true Anyways i'm done <3
***I am in no way affiliated with team liquid, and do not represent them in any way, i'm simply chiming in my opinion***
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Br0zip Rom Builder

Br0zip is a app that ships with the lineage builds from 3/4/2017 to 7/4/2017, and its a april fools joke to build roms directly from your device. It was a nice(surreal) troll, and i actually fell for it
Here's the release quote, posted on april fools:
We know our users; their biggest desire is to be able to get a stable custom rom on their device. Painlessly.
Lineage supports a lot of devices, but this big number is still small when compared to the amount of the devices available in the market.
One of our main goals is to bring the latest Android version to all those forgotten devices, but we also focus on user experience and security improvements.
The main problem with this cool thing is that you need a developer that builds and fixes all the bugs. It’s a pain, we’ve done it many times.
But these days are gone now. We’re deprecating maintainers. Yeah - you read it right.
We’re proud to annouce our AI-powered revolutionary product called Br0zip.
Br0zipperEngine, is a powerful AI that powers Br0Zip. Given any .zip ROM or .img kernel of any device (yeah - any device) it’ll be able to generate a properly working ROM.
It’s cool, isn’t it? But wait - there’s more: we believe customization is important, and that’s why we implemented a feature selector in the ROM builder wizard, so you can make your ROM truly yours.
Anyone, including those who have never touched a single line of code now can be a talented developer and create their own bugless custom ROM for their device in seconds.
The best thing? It runs directly on your phone - you don’t even need a supercomputer.
Br0zip trial will included for free in the LineageOS builds.
We can’t wait to see what you’ll build with it.
Keep romming,
The Lineage Ink. team
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I am providing a mirror here, so you can try out the app if you missed it:good:
http://tinyurl.com/br0zip
IT DOES NOT BUILD ACTUAL ROMS

ala_mo said:
Br0Zip: a new era of ROM building
In case you never actually knew, the LineageOS (ink)team released a nicely done lightweight compact rom builder named Br0zip. You can literally build roms directly from your device. No hassles at all,its really quite simple to use. Now everyone can be a talented developer!
Here's the release quote, posted on 1/4/17:
No bugs were found, even the app had material design implemented!:good:
happy late april fools XD
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We all have a sense of humour and appreciate aprils fools but this is a bit late for that, anyway thread closed
Sawdoctor

sawdoctor said:
We all have a sense of humour and appreciate aprils fools but this is a bit late for that, anyway thread closed
Sawdoctor
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Op is modified, thanks for reopening the thread

I've been a dev for a long time and this is the worst community i've ever seen

Folks,
for those who may or may not know, my name is sooti, i've been a dev here building Android since 2012. I've build roms for galaxy s1, s2, s5, LG G3, Nexus 10 and more. In all of the device communities I've worked in, the majority of devs were nice, caring and were open to sharing the knowledge and helping out if needed, and I was always willing to do the same and have on many occasions. I have never hidden my work and have always immediately committed my solutions to github to help others develop faster and help the community grow, but since I got my Xiaomi A1 I've met a whole new brand of developers, who only care about getting credit and glory, have no interest in helping their fellow devs and even if and when they do, they force them to keep the code to themselves as well.
I will not name any names, but I think you can guess who, I am part of a team of devs, TEAM OREO, who have been working on our own to bring a fully working dt to the public and keep it open source, while another group has a fully working open source and is insisting on keeping the device tree to themselves. and while this doesn't violate Android rules per say, it violates the very spirit of AOSP and of XDA more then anything. We may understand companies like Xiaomi, Samsung, LG etc not sharing the rest of their source code due to monetary concerns but here at xda none of us are getting paid for our time, we are all working together to bring great projects to life for free for all to enjoy and modify and build new roms.
It really saddens me to see this and hope this is limited to this device only, although I suspect there may be some other XIaomi devices with the same bad devs.
My team and I will continue to work hard to bring you great roms and 100% open source so that you to can contribute and help this community grow.
We are currently looking for devs to help us get Camera working, which is the only thing missing, please contact me via PM and we will add you to our telegram group.
I hope to see better things in the future,
viva open source!
Sooti,
XDA developer and android enthusiast

We are also looking for testers. If you are interested, please ping me on Telegram. Make sure you know basic stuffs like taking logcat n all ?.
Regards,
#TEAMOREO

Thanks for all the work you have done for the community. I'm proud of the work TEAM OREO is bringing for the Mi A1 community and as a contributor to open source myself, I wish every other developer for the device would follow suit. I know this is just the beginning of the development phase of the device but I'm sure that other developers that will work on the phone will probably see your post and agree wholeheartedly. As a community, we must work together. There's no doubt that some people want all the praise and thanks from everyone. That's not how open source works. We aim to provide enhancements to our devices that the manufacturers are not able to give. And helping provide open trees for all is key.
I'm not giving up on the community. But I really want it to flourish. Thanks for all of your help in making this device one of the best I've ever owned.
Sent from my Xiaomi Mi A1 using XDA Labs

It's the same story, again and again...
It's like the www. Today is only money.
It's like the way the world is going.

Well it's not the first time i have seen this private stuff nature.... i had it in my old device ...
Sent from my Mi A1 using Tapatalk

Yes I agree truly
TeamOreo will sure make bugless ROM soon
I have never seen such developers in my life who worked at late night to fix bugs @sooti @kunalshah @pranavbedre these guys worked very hard to bring initial Oreo
Hope this team gonna rock one day

Keep going and let's hope there's a valid reason behind for not releasing DT as of now.Looking forward for more ROMs TeamOreo!

@sooti
You and team oreo are here, so it's not so bad!

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Point made, but this thread has only one direction of travel on it and its not a good one.
Thread re-opened at OP request.
However, i have cleaned the thread and if this thread goes the way i expect i will close it for good.
Greg

You guys have no rights to ask for the source when you won't contribute anything to the source. All you guys are going to do is use it for other ROMs which will end up having the same bugs as the current LOS builds. So here's my two cents, wait till everything is stable, SELinux enforcing and then the source will be available to the public as Abhishek has said.

JagravNaik said:
You guys have no rights to ask for the source when you won't contribute anything to the source. All you guys are going to do is use it for other ROMs which will end up having the same bugs as the current LOS builds. So here's my two cents, wait till everything is stable, SELinux enforcing and then the source will be available to the public as Abhishek has said.
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Give them some respect dude...they aren't some amateurs trying to copy form some elses work they have already published their tree and where is tree of los15.1 ?
All other roms have their trees published which helps other developers to fix the bugs and help the rom become stable.but if every one wants to keep the glory and credit for themselves the community will get worser and worser

sreenucr7 said:
Give them some respect dude...they aren't some amateurs trying to copy form some elses work they have already published their tree and where is tree of los15.1 ?
All other roms have their trees published which helps other developers to fix the bugs and help the rom become stable.but if every one wants to keep the glory and credit for themselves the community will get worser and worser
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This.
And if someones device tree isnt ready, why post the rom at all? And your welcome to look at my xda profile, if you think I haven't contributed... Your dead wring my friend

Sorry if my words have hurt you in anyway. I just don't want this community to end .

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Sorry if my words have hurt you in anyway. I just don't want this community to end .
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Your ok, I was actually talking to the guys before you

I came over from the axon 7 forums about a week ago. i have been on the boards and dealing with android since the days of the logitech review {honeycomb i believe}. my take on the maturity here contravenes the gungho nature I have generally observed on this message board. it reminds me of what I imagine a 50 cent water army would act like when not in the office. i normally just sit in the back and observe read and learn as I go but since this is turning into group conflict it is my place to speak up. Sooti, guys I am with you in seeing the same sad state of affaira. this is definately not how civilization is built. but worse case scenario if spoilers at the table opt for self-interest over interest of the community, thereby causing entropy and disintigration, you will be able to find me over on the cyrillic android board with base in .ru they have good comraderie generally and thats across device forums as far as I can observe.

Thanks for bringing that up front straight. I came over as a user from Galaxy S devices in the hope that the MI A1 would flourish on a free and open (source) community spirit. Unfortunately things are even worse here. I don't have the time to contribute as a developer but I'd like you guys to know that I'm very thankful for your team's openess and your effort to bring true open source to this device and not let personal intrests and politics get in the way.

sooti said:
Folks,
for those who may or may not know, my name is sooti, i've been a dev here building Android since 2012. I've build roms for galaxy s1, s2, s5, LG G3, Nexus 10 and more. In all of the device communities I've worked in, the majority of devs were nice, caring and were open to sharing the knowledge and helping out if needed, and I was always willing to do the same and have on many occasions. I have never hidden my work and have always immediately committed my solutions to github to help others develop faster and help the community grow, but since I got my Xiaomi A1 I've met a whole new brand of developers, who only care about getting credit and glory, have no interest in helping their fellow devs and even if and when they do, they force them to keep the code to themselves as well.
I will not name any names, but I think you can guess who, I am part of a team of devs, TEAM OREO, who have been working on our own to bring a fully working dt to the public and keep it open source, while another group has a fully working open source and is insisting on keeping the device tree to themselves. and while this doesn't violate Android rules per say, it violates the very spirit of AOSP and of XDA more then anything. We may understand companies like Xiaomi, Samsung, LG etc not sharing the rest of their source code due to monetary concerns but here at xda none of us are getting paid for our time, we are all working together to bring great projects to life for free for all to enjoy and modify and build new roms.
It really saddens me to see this and hope this is limited to this device only, although I suspect there may be some other XIaomi devices with the same bad devs.
My team and I will continue to work hard to bring you great roms and 100% open source so that you to can contribute and help this community grow.
We are currently looking for devs to help us get Camera working, which is the only thing missing, please contact me via PM and we will add you to our telegram group.
I hope to see better things in the future,
viva open source!
Sooti,
XDA developer and android enthusiast
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Reply by dev..for this matter

Hey I've known @abhishek987 from Redmi Note 3 forums and he's contributed greatly to LOS for the device and developed one of the most stable ROM(Ressurection Remix) on RN3.
So give him some time, like said earlier he's holding it until the bugs are ironed out. So many ROM threads already created with the same bugs, what's the point.
He's working hard on our device and not asking for any money. Give him space

iG0tB0lts said:
Hey I've known @abhishek987 from Redmi Note 3 forums and he's contributed greatly to LOS for the device and developed one of the most stable ROM(Ressurection Remix) on RN3.
So give him some time, like said earlier he's holding it until the bugs are ironed out. So many ROM threads already created with the same bugs, what's the point.
He's working hard on our device and not asking for any money. Give him space
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And not letting the other devs to work in the tree? So two groups doing the same job twice? Do you find any logic in it?

akrai said:
And not letting the other devs to work in the tree? So two groups doing the same job twice? Do you find any logic in it?
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True. I thought the same just after posting. Well anyway, lets hope for good

Concerning the ROM development after so many months

Hello to all.
First, let me say that I am opening this thread with good attitude and in no way I disrespect the hard work from the guys that provide ROMS for our device. But I need to point out a few things in short.
My impression over the months with this device has been a mix of feelings.
I am sorry if I am missing crucial stuff that are behind the doors of development but my feeling as a member in XDA over so many years, is that Mi A1 developers lack seriously in communication and teamwork.
I am tired lately to see Pie ROMS going from bad to worse and crucial functions of the phone to go into the bug list.
Fingerprint - LTE bands - Playstore safety integrity and many more that everyone can read all over the place.
I have also noticed that most devs want to showoff more on the appearance side of the phone rather than stability-battery life and solid most used apps function.
95% of the users want 4 things mostly and these are the ones to focus
1) no battery drain
2) a decent camera app with no problems since hardware delivers
3) fingerprint functionality
4) other sensors working with no conflicts
I just want to point out the lack of communication and teamwork over serious matters. You solve these first then you customize ROMS to the needs you want to cover.
So many bugged ROMS and literally 0 bug-free rom.
Please be thorough on the discussion and don't flame over devs work. Just discuss how we can solve the problems and get finally a decent bug-free ROM.

Take this crap out

I would like to see a non-dev try to make a ROM and hear this feedback and see how they react to it.

joeyhuab said:
I would like to see a non-dev try to make a ROM and hear this feedback and see how they react to it.
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dunno why you take it the hard way. I have expressed my gratitude for ROM devs and I always appreciate your hard work and give feedback whenever I can.
your reply is showing disgrace to average users. Ok so we are not into developing ROMS. we are just testing and using your efforts. why does that have to be something to point out in a bad way?
I am just pointing out that we have so many ROM releases every 2-3 weeks and the results are buggier and buggier ROMS.
You clearly see that Pie stage has brought to all devs problems. Instead of releasing every 2 weeks ROMS individually , why don't you try to discuss together the main problems, find solutions and then try to implement the solutions to your ROMS.
Instead of teamwork over serious bugs, you just focus each on your own work with minor fixes over different builds and every Xiaomi update refreshes the same problems again and again.

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I would like to see a non-dev try to make a ROM and hear this feedback and see how they react to it.
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Would you help out if someone needed your expertise?

Something to add that worries me more.

greekfragma said:
dunno why you take it the hard way. I have expressed my gratitude for ROM devs and I always appreciate your hard work and give feedback whenever I can.
your reply is showing disgrace to average users. Ok so we are not into developing ROMS. we are just testing and using your efforts. why does that have to be something to point out in a bad way?
I am just pointing out that we have so many ROM releases every 2-3 weeks and the results are buggier and buggier ROMS.
You clearly see that Pie stage has brought to all devs problems. Instead of releasing every 2 weeks ROMS individually , why don't you try to discuss together the main problems, find solutions and then try to implement the solutions to your ROMS.
Instead of teamwork over serious bugs, you just focus each on your own work with minor fixes over different builds and every Xiaomi update refreshes the same problems again and again.
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See the problem here is other devs don't want to cooperate. Me, Abhi and Moun are actually conversing regarding how to fix the bugs. Flex and Khusika help out too but they're too busy at times. Other devs keep their resources closed and don't share device trees which in turn gives out more bugs instead of allowing all ROMs to have similar fixes altogether. I'm not replying in a bad light. I'm actually curious what a non-dev would react to all complaints knowing other devs wouldn't help out and cooperate.
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Would you help out if someone needed your expertise?
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I answer mostly on Telegram and yes, I give assistance to people asking for help when I have the time.

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See the problem here is other devs don't want to cooperate. Me, Abhi and Moun are actually conversing regarding how to fix the bugs. Flex and Khusika help out too but they're too busy at times. Other devs keep their resources closed and don't share device trees which in turn gives out more bugs instead of allowing all ROMs to have similar fixes altogether. I'm not replying in a bad light. I'm actually curious what a non-dev would react to all complaints knowing other devs wouldn't help out and cooperate.
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this is exactly why this thread has started.
I find the lack of cooperation has a direct impact on the community results and it clearly shows as I stated above. If you guys think you have to say something publicly about others compromising your work you should do it. The community has eyes and sees which devs really try to help the community and which devs are clearly for their own profit.
can you also comment on the picture I attached on previous post?

greekfragma said:
this is exactly why this thread has started.
I find the lack of cooperation has a direct impact on the community results and it clearly shows as I stated above. If you guys think you have to say something publicly about others compromising your work you should do it. The community has eyes and sees which devs really try to help the community and which devs are clearly for their own profit.
can you also comment on the picture I attached on previous post?
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I don't wanna mention names as I can no longer speak regarding the issues between me and some other developer in the community. All I can say right now is I'm taking over Official Pixel Experience while Abhi gets his Mi A1's motherboard replaced.

I found this...
greekfragma said:
this is exactly why this thread has started.
I find the lack of cooperation has a direct impact on the community results and it clearly shows as I stated above. If you guys think you have to say something publicly about others compromising your work you should do it. The community has eyes and sees which devs really try to help the community and which devs are clearly for their own profit.
can you also comment on the picture I attached on previous post?
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There's surely some great and cooperative devs. I have had some kind of interaction with Maun, CosmicDan and flex who were really helpful along the way! I was just halfway through developing my own kernel! And then I had to cancel the project for my illness and lack of knowledge about development! And yes, I couldn't even setup a build environment myself! Maun sincerely helped me on that! When I was successful building 2-3 revision then I got the mental illness along with physical illness! So, although I had the passion of learning and developing Android things, I had to abandon my project! At least for the time being! But there's another reason behind it! There's so much advanced kernels already there! I am even seeing 4.9s (I worked on the 3.18s)! So why I would release another ill-developed/built kernel?!? So I kept it to myself!
But the thing is despite being genius and genuinely helpful devs, they can't always be that helpful! As they got other things in life!
But what you and joey pointed out is very disappointed thing! It always doesn't need to all about yourself (those devs you are talking about) like most of this post of mine!
But if you leave them behind, you'll find that Xiaomi is trying to cause every possible problem as they always do!
So, adapting to these changes eventually takes time! I myself needed approximately one and a half month just to add spectrum support even with help! Couldn't even release that version for some anomaly and random reboots!
But I am not a real developer! Never claimed to be!
But making the source closed?!? That's too far! I have no idea what they are trying to do!
BTW, I was hauling for the front camera RAW capture bug on Oreo! (And that's the reason behind my working for a kernel! I knew it's stupid and premature!) But someone told me it's not possible for a mid range phone! But now in Pie, it can capture RAW images with the front camera on every camera2 apps! First I noticed on Serjo87 build! (That's the first GCam app I used on Pie) And I thought it was Serjo87 who could make it! But soon I realized that every other apps can do the same!
So the summary of the story is, they are too focused on their own things despite being helpful or they are not willing to share their fixes simply because they don't want to or is it because can't communicate for their own business!
But again, closing the sources is just...
Even some members/devs will focus and complain about my ending every sentence with an exclamation (!) rather than focusing on the bugs causing constant problems to the userbase!

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BTW, I was hauling for the front camera RAW capture bug on Oreo! (And that's the reason behind my working for a kernel! I knew it's stupid and premature!) But someone told me it's not possible for a mid range phone! But now in Pie, it can capture RAW images with the front camera on every camera2 apps! First I noticed on Serjo87 build! (That's the first GCam app I used on Pie) And I thought it was Serjo87 who could make it! But soon I realized that every other apps can do the same!
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Can other raw camera app can capture raw with front cam in 9? Other than gcam? Without green tint?

In my opinion porting 4.9 Kernel to Mi A1 was a big and remarkable success, but it has introduced more bugs to fix.
I don't see a huge difference in terms of performance and battery life.
Newer custom ROMs are on 4.9 kernel, so I had to lose ALL apps using HAL1 camera (mainly stock camera).
I'd like to see a fully customizable ROM with 3.18 Kernel and bug-free, but i don't think it's available at this moment.
Just my 2 cents.

sipollo said:
In my opinion porting 4.9 Kernel to Mi A1 was a big and remarkable success, but it has introduced more bugs to fix.
I don't see a huge difference in terms of performance and battery life.
Newer custom ROMs are on 4.9 kernel, so I had to lose ALL apps using HAL1 camera (mainly stock camera).
I'd like to see a fully customizable ROM with 3.18 Kernel and bug-free, but i don't think it's available at this moment.
Just my 2 cents.
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This. Despite all the ROM threads, only 1 or 2 Pie ROM's can be used as daily drivers. Almost all the 4.9 ROM's need latest FW which is breaking features like VoLTE, Fingerprint etc (This is due to Xiaomi's fault and I know that too). I was more than satisfied with the Oreo ROM's but I haven't been able to go back after using Pie. From all the ROM's I have flashed only Bootleggers Pie ROM, which has some bugs which are tolerable, and Revenge OS Pie (which I'm using right now, but it lacks customizations) are completely stable (on November Firmware).
I'm just waiting for Xiaomi to fix the mess they have caused so I can settle on a 4.9 kernel ROM. I don't care about HAL1, I only use GCam.

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Can other raw camera app can capture raw with front cam in 9? Other than gcam? Without green tint?
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Open Camera and it's forks are confirmed!
GCam 5.x.x also confirmed!
GCam 6.x.x confirmed but has green tint on of them!
BTW, you may know it, GCam 5.x.x don't have green tint on front cam! I use Arnova and fu24 versions!

I am gonna repost this here with the permission of @joeyhuab
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=78681040&postcount=132
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Just a heads up. PE team has removed Tissot Pie from the official list of devices. Their team is really dedicated to dropping Tissot support due to Saksham having Abhi kicked from PE Maintainers group due to having a broken device while Saksham himself no longer has a Mi A1.
I don't really see why Abhinav being kicked was a proper thing to do as he will still have his Tissot repaired while the guy that got him kicked from the PE maintainers group asks for donations to "start" development on another device (daisy/fajita).
I'm not one to comment on this whole thing but it's really getting out of hand and I no longer want to be associated with their dev team until this debacle is resolved. I will stick to building unofficial builds while Official status for Tissot is up in the air as we really don't know what Jhenrique and friends want to decide to do.
I don't want any part of the official status any longer after what they did to Abhinav.
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what a mess

Tissot lost another developer. I quit.

It's not something that could be remedied easily. Tissot developers going away from this simply means that not everything is as good as it might look. Despite some success with 4.9 kernel, some devs are having a hard time fixing some issues, which might seem to be obvious. That for sure brings anxiety and frustration for one, since after so much time being able to fix one really small issue (looking from a practical standpoint) brings dissapointment. I don't complain, since I no longer develop anything, reason being for that is simple - no time left to spare for that. Maybe one day I'll get to that, once I settle down some of my personal concerns, which are holding me back.
I respect every developer doing this job for a better cause and contributing to others, because they want it so. And those, who continously complain about everything shouldn't even be here in the first place. Nothing is perfect, ever. If someone is willing to do something here, rather than complain about everything - do something useful, contribute in some way or another, it's just the way I got into development, being totally green and unaware of so many things. Starting from small steps and going up with every minute ticking. Live and learn.

joeyhuab said:
Tissot lost another developer. I quit.
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@joeyhuab I am pretty sad about your decision but I have to respect it.
If it is possible to give us some information of what went wrong and you also decided to quit. Only the facts and just the facts. No intention to argue.
I am not sure if there is anyone out there willing to continue your efforts.
If there is no hope I will completely understand and will no further comment on this thread. It just seems kinda weird since this device had so much potential on hardware specs and Pie releases were very impressive until latest month.
I hope for the best in the near future and feel free to contact me through private messages if you want to discuss further.

greekfragma said:
@joeyhuab I am pretty sad about your decision but I have to respect it.
If it is possible to give us some information of what went wrong and you also decided to quit. Only the facts and just the facts. No intention to argue.
I am not sure if there is anyone out there willing to continue your efforts.
If there is no hope I will completely understand and will no further comment on this thread. It just seems kinda weird since this device had so much potential on hardware specs and Pie releases were very impressive until latest month.
I hope for the best in the near future and feel free to contact me through private messages if you want to discuss further.
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One guy ruined it for me. That's all I can comment.

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One guy ruined it for me. That's all I can comment.
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I understand your decision. It is really hard to feel that such a capable phone is being dropped from PE support.I firstly flashed the rom when Saksham was the dev of PE. I liked it so much, I could not go to stock ever again.But it feels like a punch to see 3 devs dropping update support, and letting a capable phone with thousands of people flashing it drop in the void. Now I need to go back to stock, worse version of Android..It's my only option because I'm scared to flash another custom rom on my non-trebelized Tissot.
Your updates were so fast, felt stable and with necessary features.It really turned a Tissot into Pixel 3.
I feel sad for this mess that happened throughout 4 months.I never expected such a good dev like you leaving tissot, but it's your decision and I can't change it.
How to return to Xiaomi stock android 9.0 (no firmware flashed in TWRP with PE rom, no treble, bootloader unlocked)?
Goodbye, Pixel Experience....It felt so good to have a Pixel 3 in my hands, but it was suddenly dropped into void....
You will always remain in my heart, 16th january 2019 build, you will always remain in my mind, devs, for your great work throughout those 4 beautiful months.
Thank you...

Alpha Testers for new ROM

Hello all,
The following was posted in the Pixel 3 XL forum (Link):
Hello everyone,
Over the past few years the custom ROM scene has been dwindling. The Nexus and Pixel devices are suppose to be the crown jewl of development but that has began to fade. I was thinking of committing to a new ROM for Pixel devices (and possibly Essential devices down the road) since these are the easiest to maintain. The ROM wouldn't be packed with the most features, but take an approach similar to Oxygen OS: only add meaningful features and maintain the AOSP look and feel. I would also make it a point to keep the ROM up to date with the latest security patches and bug fixes from Google (security and stability would be priority). I have quite a bit of development experience from the past and was wondering how much support and "want" there is for a project like this? Anyone who would be interested in a ROM like this just like this thread and comment any feedback/suggestions/questions. If there is enough support for this project I will commit to it but I want to gauge public response first.
Cheers,
Shawn
Edit: It's worth noting the project would be open source.
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Due to a positive response, I wanted to inquire how many people would be interested in this type of project for the Pixel 3. Additionally, if anyone is interested in Alpha Testing the ROM, please visit Link. If anyone has any questions or feedback regarding this project, feel free to post a comment here.
- Shawn

I can give it a try in a few days. Two more days until summer holiday for me, kind of need the phone in the mean time.

I would test for you, providing easy update instructions were possible