Wondering if anybody could provide compelling reasons to be utilizing Cyanogenmod or Liquidsmooth over the other? I believe that Liquidsmooth is based on the CM tree, but am having trouble finding differences between the two at this point (with both using JellyBean 4.2.1 builds). Does anybody have experience with one of these recent builds running more stably than the other?
FYI, I'm running an unlocked Verizon Galaxy S3 (and loving it!).
Thanks in advance!
IMHO, Liquid is more stable. The difference with their rom is that they add their own tweaks and apps and such. Cm is like the base 4.2 for all aosp roms. They each have their own unique features but with my experience, Liquid has been more stable
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um i dont think we can choose between the 2 if im not mistaken liquidsmooth is Cyanogen based
Alright, I'll be the bad guy.
Most notorious thiefs in the biz. Refuse to give credit (even when asked numerous times by mods -- I've seen the PMs) and basically a paid service with the sheer amount of times they ask for donations. Almost begging -- pathetic.
If you've been around long enough, you'd know their OP did NOT read like it does now. That took years. I used to run Liquid on my D1, then I heard (and saw) from a little birdy what they're all about. Saw the evidence and my eyes were opened.
I swiftly blocked both Liquid team members from my gtalk and haven't ran it since. I pity the fool who gives them a dime. Way better alternatives that don't beg for money like a panhandler...
Flame on.
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Alright, I'll be the bad guy.
Most notorious thiefs in the biz. Refuse to give credit (even when asked numerous times by mods -- I've seen the PMs) and basically a paid service with the sheer amount of times they ask for donations. Almost begging -- pathetic.
If you've been around long enough, you'd know their OP did NOT read like it does now. That took years. I used to run Liquid on my D1, then I heard (and saw) from a little birdy what they're all about. Saw the evidence and my eyes were opened.
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Thanks 1ManWolfePack - I appreciate the candid response. Hopefully the LS team is operating a bit more honestly these days, but I'll give base CM another go and hope I can get it to run stably. I've actually had similar experience so far as BraddahBoi808 in that the LS 4.2.1 builds have been more stable, but I'm looking for better battery life and hope recent CM builds will provide it (perhaps in conjunction with a new kernel).
In my experience, I've found CM to be a lot smoother than Liquid. In fact, I never really found Liquid to be as "LiquidSmooth" as they say. I only used it when I did because it was one of the only roms available at first on the N7 and Verizon GN.
Of course I'll choose the Big Three over Liquid anyday.
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In my experience, I've found CM to be a lot smoother than Liquid. In fact, I never really found Liquid to be as "LiquidSmooth" as they say. I only used it when I did because it was one of the only roms available at first on the N7 and Verizon GN.
Of course I'll choose the Big Three over Liquid anyday.
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Thanks SwiftLegend - really appreciate the feedback. I've installed the latest nightly of CM10.1 successfully, but it's still got a bluetooth issue so I'm looking around at other options (which I enjoy doing anyway). Excuse the question, but what are the big three that you've referred to? One is clearly Cyanogenmod, guessing a second is AOKP, and is the third by chance MIUI?
I ran Liquid ICS and 4.1 on my Nexus for a while. Was nice, didnt have any issues and had a little more of the customization pulls included.
Have run CM also. Would have liked a little more customization, but again no big issues here either.
Try both.What do you have to lose? 30 min
BTW, where do you see a liquid build for our device?
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BTW, where do you see a liquid build for our device?
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I actually did run both... have used CM in the past and was using LS recently. Couldn't really find any significant differences and was wondering if others had found them.
Sorry to have gotten your hopes up re: a LS build for the Galaxy Note II - I realized after the fact that I posted in the wrong device forum (I'm using a Galaxy SIII) but still got relevant responses so left the thread as-is. Hope a build comes out for the Note II soon for you though!
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Thanks SwiftLegend - really appreciate the feedback. I've installed the latest nightly of CM10.1 successfully, but it's still got a bluetooth issue so I'm looking around at other options (which I enjoy doing anyway). Excuse the question, but what are the big three that you've referred to? One is clearly Cyanogenmod, guessing a second is AOKP, and is the third by chance MIUI?
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CyanogenMod, AOKP, and Paranoid Android (PA)
This is the Note II section
I will move to the S3 for you
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This is the Note II section
I will move to the S3 for you
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Thanks Kenny - realized my error after the fact. I appreciate your assistance!
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CyanogenMod, AOKP, and Paranoid Android (PA)
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Very interesting... hadn't noted PA before... looks like a VERY interesting ROM, but unfortunately not available (as I can tell) for the VZW G3, and certainly not in 4.2.1 flavor yet.
In the meantime, I think I'll be monitoring CM & LS for the first stable 4.2.1 build that includes functional bluetooth, GPS, and streaming audio. LS beta 1 version A has actually been the closest I've found thus far, but the battery life was horrendous.
CM 10.1 works a lot better on my phone than liquid smooth. The latest of liquids betas freeze up my phone, won't let it wake up, and I have to keep toggling data on and off to keep it.
Well this is an interesting thread.
I'm the team liquid communications guy. Here's what I can tell you about what we do. Bear in mind, I'm not a dev - I'm here specifically to handle releases, etc.
The team is made up of a few core devs. Liquid0624, nocoast, and winner00. Occasionally hiemanshu as well but lately I think he's travelling. By far Liquid0624 makes up the core of what this rom is.
We were based on CM briefly for 4.1.2, but are back to AOSP. We didn't care for the CM base. Here's what we do - we take the AOSP code, and optimize the hell out of it. Our roms are ~100mb. We then start to add in features. We tend to go for the same popular features everyone else likes. Generally more than CM, but not so jammed with features as AOKP can be. Sometimes too much of a good thing is too much.
Credit is always given. If we miss it, it's an oversight. Given I'm not really a dev, I can see that happening and I shall endeavor to ensure that better care is taken for such things. I absolutely agree that such things deserve credit, always.
Do we need donations? You bet. We're a tiny little team, and Liquid0624 does this as his job. He works at least 12 hours a day on this, and is often pestering me at all hours of the night about new releases, etc. This is his life. So yeah, we need donations. Without them Liquid (whose name is Ryan, by the way) can't afford to keep doing this, and that means the rom dies. I'm doing this for free simply because I saw a need for a dedicated communications guy and wanted to keep that from happening. I know there's a rep. I understand why. I even agree that in the past things were stated in such a way as to make it seem like this was a pay-for-play operation. That's why I joined the team - I knew how it was on the inside and I saw the perceptions, and they didn't match.
That's the thing, really. This is not a pay-for-play operation. Literally the second a release is completed, I'm getting pings from Ryan. He doesn't like to hold onto things. I wish he would sometimes, and have actually started a group that helps to address that - more on that later. But there is no release we've ever held onto or not released to the public. Ever. Never, ever, ever. This is an open source based rom, and our code is freely available, our builds are freely available - always will be.
I'm always working on ways to make things even better. We created a "producers" group for folks who donate a certain amount. These folks get slightly better access to our devs via a google groups community - mostly chitchat back and forth. I've taken to posting builds there a little (couple hours) sooner, just to get some early testing done, but I think I've done that a total of twice. Most of the time Ryan is hot to get things out the door and into your hands. It's a way of us to say thanks to our supporters. We also are working on other ways to do so as well, because without our supporters we wouldn't exist. One of these days we'd like to have a paid app of some kind so folks can donate that way as well if they want. Maybe we will.
So that's the deal. We're in a place that all devs are in who can't afford to do this for free. We're passionate about android, we want to bring you the best rom possible - this is our daily driver too - but we need to literally keep the lights on and keep Ryan's family fed. So we need to ask for donations constantly. Would we rather not? You bet. But it is what it is, and it's a line we walk. Believe me when I say that no one is making retirement money, here. I have a family myself, and sometimes I think Ryan might be insane. There's zero doubt that he's passionate about this stuff, or he wouldn't be doing it.
But 1ManWolfePack, I'm going to argue to the end that we're a team of thieves. We work with other devs, we contribute code, we use code and credit it - just like the rest of the dev community. If you want to converse more about this privately, I'm more than willing. I will always take suggestions. It's a difficult line to walk - we think we've got something great, and want to give it to the world - but we do need to get something for the amazing amounts of time we spend, or we physically can't do it anymore.
Derek
Team Liquid
You don't have to donate if you don't want to.. It's free to the population... And imo its the best out there.. They get my money because I like the rom and it's my gift of gratitude back...
I don't know if you're broke or cheap, but to slander them for something that is technically free? You don't wanna donate? Don't.. Simple as that
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You must be rich. Maybe you should make a rom and give it for out free. Fail to understand your "Most notorious thiefs"
Your comment is worth a grain of salt.
1ManWolfePack said:
Alright, I'll be the bad guy.
Most notorious thiefs in the biz. Refuse to give credit (even when asked numerous times by mods -- I've seen the PMs) and basically a paid service with the sheer amount of times they ask for donations. Almost begging -- pathetic.
If you've been around long enough, you'd know their OP did NOT read like it does now. That took years. I used to run Liquid on my D1, then I heard (and saw) from a little birdy what they're all about. Saw the evidence and my eyes were opened.
I swiftly blocked both Liquid team members from my gtalk and haven't ran it since. I pity the fool who gives them a dime. Way better alternatives that don't beg for money like a panhandler...
Flame on.
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I just want to chime in the LS will have many more useful features than CM will have. CM is a great ROM, and I have ran it much more recently than I have ran liquid, but if I had to choose one it would probably be liquid. The team is very engaging and kind.
Yes, they ask for donations, but there are reasons for it, and it has no affect on your access of the ROM. I am running AOKP JB M1 at the moment, but once liquid has their first stable version of 4.2.1 ready for the GNex I will probably jump on.
Also, they base off of AOSP more often than not, and yes...I have been around since the D1 days.
Best,
RC3
Liquidsmooth on Gnex has been stellar for me. Everytime I stray to a different ROM I always end up back to Liquidsmooth. Everything else has been laggy and slow for me. Can't answer for the SIII.
As far as the begging for money comment, I have never felt any kind of pressure to donate. When I do donate, I don't expect anything, just saying thanks to their team for the countless hours spent on putting the ROM together and they sure appreciate it.
Edit: Just to add, they don't treat me any different than anybody else whether I donate or not. I still get the ROM's in a timely manner either way. Matter of fact, just when I finished setting up Beta1D, here somes Beta2.
This may not be my place to chime in but i will anyways. I've been using LiquidSmooth roms since the OG Droid days, they were always what i expected back then and deeply contributed to my keeping that phone for so long. I donated a few times simply because i wanted to show my appreciation for there work (its like when doormen at hotels carry your bags to your room and you give them a few bucks, its to show appreciation, its not mandatory but it helps them) did i ever receive benefits for these donations? Hell no, did i expect them? Hell no. I simply did it because i wanted to show my appreciation for there work its that simple.
Now onto this "team of thieves" i see plenty of credits given in there posts.
Example A:
toxicthunder said:
Ours is an open source project. Please feel free to look at our code on LiquidSmooth GitHub
We would like to thank CyanogenMod for their device trees, framework/settings mods and their code that was incorporated into this project.
Furthermore, we also extend our gratitude to AOKP, Team CNA and Team EOS for parts of their code that we have incorporated.[/SIZE][/FONT]IMPORTANT NOTE:
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Now that doesn't look like a post that's 'stealing' its giving credit to others code that has been incorporated into the rom. Its not stealing at all. They also leave there entire project as open source, again if somebody is stealing why leave it open source? They leave it that way so if another developers see's something they like, they can contact them about using it in there rom. EVERY single rom created is almost guaranteed to have some idea borrowed from another developer, why? Because its open source, and each developer wants to try and give the users what they want. Stealing would be taking code without asking and then not giving credit, but this is the opposite. So again are they thieves? Nope, you might wanna get your facts checked, and knowledge checked, and evidence checked before making outrageous accusations.
Onto the "begging" thing, where in there thread are they begging for money? Posting a release with a link to the rom, gapps and donation link is NOT begging at all. Posting on twitter that liquids computer died and asking for donations to help him fix that so roms can continue to be developed is NOT begging. Its simply reminding "hey we have a donation link just in case you're feeling generous" when have they ever said "No donation, no rom!" lets see.... never, because that's not how it works. If you want to donate then that is your choice, you don't have a gun to your head, and you aren't paying for the rom. I still donate because i appreciate the work, and know how much time and effort goes into it. I also know that computer parts aren't cheap and that every donation helps. Asking for a simple donation that's a DONATION (not mandatory, not required, etc) is nowhere near begging. Sitting on the corner everyday on your hands and knees asking people for money that's begging. Telling someone "you can only have the download link if you donate 5$" is considered "pay to use", saying "Here's the link, gapps, and donation link" that's not 'pay to use' that's free to use with an option to donate.
And my finally, for somebody who claims liquid is this big bad terrible thieving team, i see no evidence of it, and i highly doubt there is any because its not true. You made some pretty big claims with nothing to back it up except "a little birdy told me" okay well a little birdy also told me that i could fly if i jumped off a bridge, but we both know that's not true Anyways i'm done <3
***I am in no way affiliated with team liquid, and do not represent them in any way, i'm simply chiming in my opinion***
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SLOW THE %&*$ DOWN!
Just Kidding... but in all seriousness, the variety of roms for the Cappy is amazing. It all comes down to preference; however, I must say that with all of the updates, and new roms, I'm flashing at least twice a day and sometimes even losing track of what I'm running. (Although I know I'm currently running Andromeda and it is by far the best I've had on my Cappy. Awesome GPS lock in seconds, fast, stable.)
The point is... can we consolidate, or come up with a legit thread/wiki that clarifies the pros, cons, features, and specifications on roms. Reading 20 pages of forum after a new ROM is released is getting tiring.
Theodor911 said:
SLOW THE %&*$ DOWN!
Just Kidding... but in all seriousness, the variety of roms for the Cappy is amazing. It all comes down to preference; however, I must say that with all of the updates, and new roms, I'm flashing at least twice a day and sometimes even losing track of what I'm running. (Although I know I'm currently running Andromeda and it is by far the best I've had on my Cappy. Awesome GPS lock in seconds, fast, stable.)
The point is... can we consolidate, or come up with a legit thread/wiki that clarifies the pros, cons, features, and specifications on roms. Reading 20 pages of forum after a new ROM is released is getting tiring.
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Well you shouldnt have posted in the DEV section.... See here
But since you have. Just be glad that we have all of them to chose from. Not long ago it was slow here. And no. That thread idea has never worked.....In all the time i have been here.
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Well you shouldnt have posted in the DEV section.... See here
But since you have. Just be glad that we have all of them to chose from. Not long ago it was slow here. And no. That thread idea has never worked.....In all the time i have been here.
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I agree, it will never work. XDA is here for a reason. lets just keep doing what were doing. Also, where the hell have you been Smoke?
Theodor911 said:
SLOW THE %&*$ DOWN!
Just Kidding... but in all seriousness, the variety of roms for the Cappy is amazing. It all comes down to preference; however, I must say that with all of the updates, and new roms, I'm flashing at least twice a day and sometimes even losing track of what I'm running. (Although I know I'm currently running Andromeda and it is by far the best I've had on my Cappy. Awesome GPS lock in seconds, fast, stable.)
The point is... can we consolidate, or come up with a legit thread/wiki that clarifies the pros, cons, features, and specifications on roms. Reading 20 pages of forum after a new ROM is released is getting tiring.
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If you look at the feature sets, most of them are the same, just different skins, apps, etc included...
everything is pretty common knowledge since we are all running the same mods... additional apps, skins, etc are just fluff, which is why I personally don't include that kinda stuff. I will leave that to the theme and app section and the person running the rom to make it look how they want.
as far as all of us working together, I respond to all the devs who ask for help, I have joined up and help the team efforts, as well as individuals putting roms out that have asked how to do various things.
Putting it all into a wiki? No thanks, that stuff changes to much to want to deal with updating a wiki with 20 different variations on how to do a smali edit for X feature.
If you take donations, in a community based team, this always becomes a stress point, best not to take donations at that point. I won't accept a cut of team donations, someone will ***** about it if they get less or more, not worth it. (just noticed adam sent me a donation, KNOCK THAT OFF! lol)
As far as you not liking to flash a lot, get help, you are a flash addict
I wont be slowing down anytime soon, get used to it
/random thoughts
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If you look at the feature sets, most of them are the same, just different skins, apps, etc included...
everything is pretty common knowledge since we are all running the same mods... additional apps, skins, etc are just fluff, which is why I personally don't include that kinda stuff. I will leave that to the theme and app section and the person running the rom to make it look how they want.
as far as all of us working together, I respond to all the devs who ask for help, I have joined up and help the team efforts, as well as individuals putting roms out that have asked how to do various things.
Putting it all into a wiki? No thanks, that stuff changes to much to want to deal with updating a wiki with 20 different variations on how to do a smali edit for X feature.
If you take donations, in a community based team, this always becomes a stress point, best not to take donations at that point. I won't accept a cut of team donations, someone will ***** about it if they get less or more, not worth it. (just noticed adam sent me a donation, KNOCK THAT OFF! lol)
As far as you not liking to flash a lot, get help, you are a flash addict
I wont be slowing down anytime soon, get used to it
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I feel the same. So many roms are including everything everyone else is. Just skinning and a few differences. I stick to a select few toms and just go frombthere because there is just too much to keep track of right now.
DG you are an idol of a great developer.
It would be great if more.devastating would get together to lighten the load and make it a little easier on all involved, but then again I am excited to.see so.many great revs making a rom all their own.
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I think its just crazy that this thread even got other post
I would have thought it was over with mine. But oh well. I have been in the shadows adam
Im always here. Or kinda.... haha
i think a wiki would be convenient in some ways but more trouble than its worth. I mean who would wanna volunteer to keep up with every single rom, and update it daily?
It might help a lil with noobs trying to learn, but honestly reading through 100s of pages in one thread usually ends up helping you learn more than just the rom itself. When i first registered on this forum all i did was read for the first few months before even making a post
Guess I will jump on the bandwagon before this gets moved to the general section.
There was a point in time not so long ago where there were only about 3 ROMs for the captivate and a lot of drooling over what the other SGS variants had going on.
I for one am very happy to see the Captivate community grow and put out some good stuff. The variety and choices really help enable the end-user to get their phone to look and work how they want, end-user empowerment tends to make people happy.
Taco Bell has maybe a dozen individual ingredients but it's the way they are combined that makes each product special.
As for having to read the threads of each ROM, yea it can be a pain, but it is good for you. You are informed, can make the best choice, and know what to expect from what you are about to put on your phone.
designgears said:
If you look at the feature sets, most of them are the same, just different skins, apps, etc included...
everything is pretty common knowledge since we are all running the same mods... additional apps, skins, etc are just fluff, which is why I personally don't include that kinda stuff. I will leave that to the theme and app section and the person running the rom to make it look how they want.
as far as all of us working together, I respond to all the devs who ask for help, I have joined up and help the team efforts, as well as individuals putting roms out that have asked how to do various things.
Putting it all into a wiki? No thanks, that stuff changes to much to want to deal with updating a wiki with 20 different variations on how to do a smali edit for X feature.
If you take donations, in a community based team, this always becomes a stress point, best not to take donations at that point. I won't accept a cut of team donations, someone will ***** about it if they get less or more, not worth it. (just noticed adam sent me a donation, KNOCK THAT OFF! lol)
As far as you not liking to flash a lot, get help, you are a flash addict
I wont be slowing down anytime soon, get used to it
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The note you made about the themes and such is exactly why I love Andromeda. I personally do not like the 2.0 theme, but the fact that there is an unthemed version as well as a themed version makes me the happiest panda in the world, and I think more ROM cookers should adopt this policy.
What I'd love more than anything else though, is a ROM that supports the hardware voice processing of the Captivate, as well as any custom kernels/modems the user wants. That would be the ultimate ROM in my opinion. Oh, and the 4 lockscreen mod is a must as well. I do not like the glass lockscreen
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i think a wiki would be convenient in some ways but more trouble than its worth. I mean who would wanna volunteer to keep up with every single rom, and update it daily?
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FYI-
Captivate Wiki:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Samsung_Galaxy_S/SGH-I897
Looks like it is not too far out of date.
People complain too much....
I understand your post OP but as mentioned it won't work. What get's the me the most is when people ask, "what's changed?"...
There are CHANGE LOGS ON EVERY THREAD FOR EVERY ROM.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Samsung_Galaxy_S/SGH-I897
Looks like it is not too far out of date.
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maybe i interpreted the OP wrong, but it sounds like hes talking about a wiki with more detail than the one we already have
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Taco Bell has maybe a dozen individual ingredients but it's the way they are combined that makes each product special.
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Taco Bell.. I'm hungry.
It really cracks me up that this thread is still going
Every ROM is made for a handfull of people. AS it seems. So to really make a wiki and save all the Info from a few thousand users is just nutz. even to have a WiKi just for the ROMs is kinda nutz as others have said. Just so much changes daily it would be so hard to keep up with
So i guess....Like all the others. We can let this thread die now
I agree with you Smoke. With the way updates come out sometimes daily for fixes or depending on an issues hourly a Wiki would just be too hard to maintain. If some one is up for it then go for it. I just see it as a way for people not to have to read the roms thread and doing research before they flash a rom to their $500 device.
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Faux123 is a developer why xda cannot recognize this beyond comprehension.
One of best devs for this phone
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yea I would like to suck him off
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i only donated money
c19932 said:
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WTF!!! I just donate!!
Suprah..."no cyanogen, rom manager still fake flashes the roms thats y for nvidia phones we have to use nvflash"
I am new to this whole scene, but gotta say that the Faux rom is tits....whatever happened, I hope it gets fixed soon.
I agree totally. Faux has personally helped me numerous times and his Kernel, Rom and overall knowledge of the G2X and android platform as a whole pushes him out the din and into the realm of Developer IMO. If he doesn't meet the requirements of being a Dev then very few of the supposed "devs" on here do, yet they still get the recognition. Even after his title was removed he's still working hard on his projects and still helping people.
I don't know what happened or why but it's wrong, Faux was wronged and I think a bit less of XDA for it. I'm sure I'm not the first or last to say this so whatever, just my 2 cents that wasn't asked for.
Seriously, what's up with this?
Any admins or mods care to chime in here with the reasoning behind this? This kind of stuff drives devs away, which you can already see happening.
Members go where devs go, come on xda!
I agree Faux is a very dedicated developer who has helped the community a lot and we should drum up support for him to be Recognized.
my thing is that faux is putting out kernels and roms for more than just this phone and the mods and admin guys and girl cannot recognize him shame on them.
yea he is a super nice guy idk what he could of done for that to happen hes to nice lol, faux is one of the best developers hands down, and yea i said it
I agree. Even though I'm new here, it didn't take me long to realize that Faux is one of the most, if not THE most valued developer for this phone. Most other rom developers include his kernals in their roms that they stamp their own names to...if that's not an endorsement, I don't know what is.
There is always two sides to a story. With that being said, im on his titles side.WE dont know what Faux may or my not have done but if the issue is out side of his work it shouldnt effect the title. Admited I maybe the newest guy on here but without Faux's work my G2x wouldn't.
Originally Posted by faux123
Quick Announcement:
CyanogenMod Team has added Apache License 2.0 to many of their files which I have borrowed and modified for my Nexus ROM, so they have kindly asked those who used their code to display their license notices.
I have modified and incorporated their updates to Settings.apk to display all the CyanogenMod licenses in order to comply and give credit to CyanogenMod team's effort and contribution.
Here's a screenshot of the updates.. This is still work in progress (for version 1.2.7 and beyond), once CyanogenMod has completed their license updates to their own releases, my ROM will also display all the appropriate licenses.
BTW, I am taking a break from android for a while, I am going to pick up my guitar lesson again. Android has taken up quite a bit of my free time and I want to get back to my practice (I really suck at playing guitar, but I still want to learn it).
So did CM feel as though Faux wasn't giving credit for their work???? I remember from day one that he always gave credit to CM for all the work that they put in.... I also remember he was forced to change the name of his rom because they were unhappy about it... Seems like they were angry that he was possibly using some of their framework, and were jealous that his rom was receiving way more attention then theirs, leading for them to complain about how he was not giving them the proper credit for work which is why he now has to incorporate these apache license things... Who knows that's just my opinion and if it is the case its BS because like I said before he always gave credit in his threads to the work CM team did... Hopefully Faux gets bored of playing the guitar and playing street fighter and comes back because GOD knows he is needed and wanted here and not just for the G2X but for the android community.
It looks like this under investigation by the mods at this moment and has been for the past few days. Not much more info than that was mentioned since it's between Faux and XDA.
Hopefully this gets settled quickly.
I hope it gets rectified quickly because Faux is the man!!!
Whats the point of this thread? Where is it that it was claimed that he was not a developer? Is it because of the apache licensing that you are all upset?
The only concern that I would have is how the updates are represented from version to version. Looking at the latest release, other than the kernel, none of the changes seem to be any different than that of nightly CM7 but are represented as different or as if written by him. I don't think its intentional and probably just needs to be clarified.
Seriously though, why you all got your panties in a bunch?
Either way, good luck faux... we look forward to seeing you back in the future...
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Why is it that ever since the Sensation has come out that there is very little to no AOSP support and/or development for it?
The closest we ever seem to have are Sense-stripped ROMs, and it's so annoying.
Now the CM9 team has stopped Sensation development? What the hell is going on?
Is it the Sensation's architecture that renders it just that difficult for our very respected and talented developers to provide such content?
I despise Sense with the deepest passion imaginable. May someone please explain the lack of AOSP support for this amazing device?
Excuse my ranting but I can't hold out for much longer without knowing a clear answer.
i agree with u
Dude, seriously get a grip. Our very own devs are working on it and have a 2nd alpha release already out. Look in the dev section and you'll see the be from virtuous. It's got it's bugs, but it's we'll on its way to stardom. Forget cm9, those people don't know what it means to finish what they start. Take stock in our devs, as they are working their butt off as we speak.
And yes, it's no easy task. Ics is radically new and different. Give it some time and some more Htc release before we have a solid rom.
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First off, yes there is an alpha AOSP ICS from the virtuous team that looks promising. Second, CM did not drop the sensation. Dunno where you got that info. Kmobs just posted this on twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/kmobs/status/160440102626136066
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Dude, seriously get a grip. Our very own devs are working on it and have a 2nd alpha release already out. Look in the dev section and you'll see the be from virtuous. It's got it's bugs, but it's we'll on its way to stardom. Forget cm9, those people don't know what it means to finish what they start. Take stock in our devs, as they are working their butt off as we speak.
And yes, it's no easy task. Ics is radically new and different. Give it some time and some more Htc release before we have a solid rom.
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For sure, I understand, I'm not trying to be ignorant, I just love AOSP.
Also, with my previous Android device being the myTouch 4G, it received an AOSP ROM, actually a variety of them rather quickly.
Like I said I respect our developers and love them to death, I'm just having AOSP withdrawals. HTC Sense is tearing me apart
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First off, yes there is an alpha AOSP ICS from the virtuous team that looks promising. Second, CM did not drop the sensation. Dunno where you got that info. Kmobs just posted this on twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/kmobs/status/160440102626136066
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I knew about the Alpha ROM, just wish it wasn't the only one in development. I believe I saw the CM9 info in another thread. Apparently it was mistaken.
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First off, yes there is an alpha AOSP ICS from the virtuous team that looks promising. Second, CM did not drop the sensation. Dunno where you got that info. Kmobs just posted this on twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/kmobs/status/160440102626136066
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I'll believe it when I see it. If he's telling the truth, then communcation is key...his g+ paints a different picture. One with the GN getting all the attention.
Oh well, I feel team virtuous is well ahead of him anyways and they also are more than one or two dudes working on a charity case.
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I'll believe it when I see it. If he's telling the truth, then communcation is key...his g+ paints a different picture. One with the GN getting all the attention.
Oh well, I feel team virtuous is well ahead of him anyways and they also are more than one or two dudes working on a charity case.
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And I thank the Virtuous team for tackling the project. No one else seems to care, guess Sense has everyone by the neck.
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I'll believe it when I see it. If he's telling the truth, then communcation is key...his g+ paints a different picture. One with the GN getting all the attention.
Oh well, I feel team virtuous is well ahead of him anyways and they also are more than one or two dudes working on a charity case.
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I highly doubt a respected developer such as kmobs would be lying to our faces. While the way CM team operates might be infuriating to us flashaholics, they are secretive for a reason. They want a high quality release with initially all internal efforts. And hey, its gotten them to a millions users, so they must be doing something right.
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I highly doubt a respected developer such as kmobs would be lying to our faces. While the way CM team operates might be infuriating to us flashaholics, they are secretive for a reason. They want a high quality release with initially all internal efforts. And hey, its gotten them to a millions users, so they must be doing something right.
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No one from cm7 has said that development has stopped. These devs have lives and other things to do and other problems to deal with. Kmobs doesn't want to release a buggy Rom which I think is good.
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When you pay the CM developers a salary, then you can complain about their release schedules.
When they give you their work for free, it'll come out when they are ready for it to come out and you ought to be grateful.
If it doesn't come out at all, you've got nothing to complain about because you didn't do anything to help it come out.
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When you pay the CM developers a salary, then you can complain about their release schedules.
When they give you their work for free, it'll come out when they are ready for it to come out and you ought to be grateful.
If it doesn't come out at all, you've got nothing to complain about because you didn't do anything to help it come out.
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News flash, they are playing with the idea of charging for things in the future. They want to have their own marketplace and make money on the side for this and that. Check Kmobs g+ for more information. They're going to have to get used to quite a bit more if they want to be successful. Communication is key, and in this case, king. They better get used to a whole lot more the second they receive money for an app.
Also, no one is *****ing about not having cm9 yet, they are *****ing about the secrecy as to whether or not it is even still a possibility. I believe it was mentioned that many other OLDER phones have some version of cm9 already, yet we don't.
Also, they never said cm7 was over either, yet the consensus says that it is. We've heard zip officially about cm9 or cm7.
If this is how they run their future paid for apps business, I'll steer clear as will most. As for now, I'm sure they enjoy the free beers they get from all the donations. It would be a nice gesture of them to give an update about cm9.
Aside from Kmobs and company, it's refreshing to see a group of people working hard on an ics aosp. Once they get a few more things ironed out, I'm sure they will see a lot more donations coming their way.
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News flash, they are playing with the idea of charging for things in the future. They want to have their own marketplace and make money on the side for this and that. Check Kmobs g+ for more information. They're going to have to get used to quite a bit more if they want to be successful. Communication is key, and in this case, king. They better get used to a whole lot more the second they receive money for an app.
Also, no one is *****ing about not having cm9 yet, they are *****ing about the secrecy as to whether or not it is even still a possibility. I believe it was mentioned that many other OLDER phones have some version of cm9 already, yet we don't.
Also, they never said cm7 was over either, yet the consensus says that it is. We've heard zip officially about cm9 or cm7.
If this is how they run their future paid for apps business, I'll steer clear as will most. As for now, I'm sure they enjoy the free beers they get from all the donations. It would be a nice gesture of them to give an update about cm9.
Aside from Kmobs and company, it's refreshing to see a group of people working hard on an ics aosp. Once they get a few more things ironed out, I'm sure they will see a lot more donations coming their way.
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And I'm stoked about the Virtuous project.
I also understand these concerns of "you're not doing much to help" yet all I'm saying, is that I think a powerful and amazing device such as the Sensation should have more of an AOSP ROM variety. Most other devices have all kinds of AOSP ROMs.
I wish all of us, the Sensation community, would have worried more about AOSP ROMs other than our huge database of Sense based ROMs. Don't get me wrong, however, our Sense ROMs are absolutely amazing and they've helped my patience along with, I'm sure, many other user's patience as well.
This is what i have been thinking since i moved from mytouch 4g to sensation. I just don't know why but it looks like sensation users/developers is not interested in MIUI rom ( i only see 1 MIUI rom, and it not fully working, no update recently).
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This is what i have been thinking since i moved from mytouch 4g to sensation. I just don't know why but it looks like sensation users/developers is not interested in MIUI rom ( i only see 1 MIUI rom, and it not fully working, no update recently).
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Actually, the MIUI ROM in the dev section has been updated as of a few days ago. Also there is another highly functional MIUI ROM floating around but linking to it is forbidden. Hit up google if interested.
I think CyanogenMod has to be secretive to function.
You make a good point, I haven't seen hardly any AOSP roms for the sensation besides cyanogenmod. Although I think cyanogenmod 7 is ridiculously fast, and it's aosp, I quite like it...and cm9 beta is available for the sensation, but I agree with the fact that they don't announce ANYTHING...their last update on cm9 was like december 9th.
However, if you think of it from their perspective, can you possibly imagine releasing a buggy beta rom to THAT many people? I mean, the first rom a lot of people hear about is cyanogenmod, so all of the new people would flash that, and we all know how many new people can't read a set of clear instructions...
So, i think that it is almost required for them to keep it on the down low, to avoid mass confusion and complaining from every single user who can't read...It's like when you read the comments morons leave in the market...
anyways, sorry to rant. but Yeah, I think that they pretty much have to be more secretive, not all of their users are active forum members seeking to better the community and not be ignorant.
I've always been curious why A2DP bluetooth and the camera are always the hardest things to fix on most phones when compiling an AOSP ROM. I thought the ROM source would help with that, but I don't know exactly how it works.
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I've always been curious why A2DP bluetooth and the camera are always the hardest things to fix on most phones when compiling an AOSP ROM. I thought the ROM source would help with that, but I don't know exactly how it works.
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From what I understand, both of those things (including wifi hotspot) are kernel related. It's hard to dev's to fix those things without the proper kernel source.
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From what I understand, both of those things (including wifi hotspot) are kernel related. It's hard to dev's to fix those things without the proper kernel source.
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Ah that helped me understand a lot more.
just an fyi that xda isn't the only place to find roms...
I think we all realize that making these ROMs is just a hobby for most, but doesn't anyone want to make a fully stable one? From what I've seen since this phone rolled out, is that someone will make a ROM, update it a few times, and then it's just dust in the wind. Also the only 100% stable ROM is the stock ICS ROM; no? My point is not to criticize anyone for their hard work,but to rather ask the question; what is the point of tinkering with a ROM and never getting it to 100% before moving onto the next one? I know everyone is very appreciative of what goes on in this community, me included. I was just wondering if someone could shed some light on this question for me.
Also, just my two cents; It would be nice for someone to maintain a custom ICS ROM just so there can be an up to date ROM with nice features and wifi calling. =)
Instead of giving your 2 cents, do it yourself. What's your definition of stable. I've been on PAC since it's come out and have zero complaints. Your want stable? Don't root, don't flash, don't modify. There, perfectly stable. Saying "my point is not to criticize" doesn't absolve you from being completely ungrateful for the hard work it takes to do this. Do it yourself. XDA is a development forum, not completely 100 percent stable forum. Don't like it? Go get an iPhone.
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Most of the roms are stable. You can find things to ***** about on any rom, including stock.
When it comes to something not getting fixed it can come down to the dev not enough time, or its not worth the effort, or they moved on to a different device. I mean is it really worth fixing a bug that 2 people are experiencing if it is going to take a few weeks away from your family, I don't think so. And that is about how solid 95% of the roms are. Give some props.
There are probably 25 ROMs over 4 revisions of android... Its our job as USERS to spend the time and effort to find one we like, and that suits us. If a ROM has a bug that is detrimental to the use you need, look at another one. So try not to criticize devs when you haven't done your due diligence as a user.
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I think we all realize that making these ROMs is just a hobby for most, but doesn't anyone want to make a fully stable one? From what I've seen since this phone rolled out, is that someone will make a ROM, update it a few times, and then it's just dust in the wind. Also the only 100% stable ROM is the stock ICS ROM; no? My point is not to criticize anyone for their hard work,but to rather ask the question; what is the point of tinkering with a ROM and never getting it to 100% before moving onto the next one? I know everyone is very appreciative of what goes on in this community, me included. I was just wondering if someone could shed some light on this question for me.
Also, just my two cents; It would be nice for someone to maintain a custom ICS ROM just so there can be an up to date ROM with nice features and wifi calling. =)
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Fully stable is damn near impossible, man. There is sooo much involved in coding these ROMs it's literally staggering. These devs aren't software developers (not most of them) but just regular guys, working regular jobs like you and me. If you want completely stable best to stay stock rooted (so you can drop all that bloatware bull****) Most of these developers have day jobs that don't involve android and do this in their spare time, for us. To be frank, man, you did come across EXTREMELY critical, and the folks around here don't take kindly to that (just breath @njstein) What's the saying? Beggars can't be choosers? My point, if you want to run 4.3 your're gonna have to take the good with the bad, just suck it up and deal with the FEW bugs. I've been on 4.3 for a couple months now with no serious issues.. Just a few bugs. And for future reference, keep this kind of thing to yourself
I had no intention a dragging this into what it has become. Obviously no one understands the point I was making or the question I was asking. I'm not going to further this conversation anymore.
I don't understand why you are making a statement in general to all ROMs. The reason why the older ROMs are unsupported is because there is no reason to waste time updating them as the guy above explained. That's why you will never see halo on ICS. Now, 4.3 roms are supported at the moment. If you like an iPhone then congratulations.
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Because if every dev stayed on ICS we'd have loads of folks asking if 'such and such device' will ever get a jb or kk rom. Seriously re-read the posts about how difficult it is to code. Your post is akin to asking someone to rebuild a car engine multiple times because every 5000 miles the thing misfires. Why did it misfire? Was it a plug/wire? Something in the valves/cylinder? Electrical? Fuel delivery? How many hours do you expect someone to waste tracking and rebuilding (sometimes rebuilding everything) for every bug in a rom- even the bugs properly reported with a log?
And I've yet to see any device from Sammy to HTC to lg or any device at all that's 100% stable - even on stock. And that's from companies that have software development teams.
And don't listen to those folks about getting an iPhone- that platform isn't 100% stable or perfect either. What you are looking for is a dumbphone.
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Yup.... Why keep rebuilding that 4 banger (ICS) when with the same amount of work you can drop in a V6 (jb 4.1). And the same when a V8 (jb 4.3) is available to drop in. Then the 4 and the 6 get scrapped for some extra beer money, and you tinker with the latest and greatest again.
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Haven't been on in awhile and I see an argument going on? C'mon guys. Okay, about maintaining ROMs, when maintaining there are nightly's based off the latest changes. The more changes lead to more better features (and maybe some bugs). Not all are stable. In fact, there is no such thing as a "fully stable" ROM. Even stock from Samsung isn't stable. And please, don't argue on here. Take it to PM or some other way to communicate. Not on here on a public thread. May I include, that I have an iPhone . Don't hate because the OS is not controllable. Its a nice OS and lots of great apps. But Android is specifacally better in my opinion. Don't hate me for that lol. Also, if you'd like to learn on how to dirty port a ROM just google it and let's see if you can make a "stable" ROM. Move on everyone. lol
Edit: I don't want the mods to come on here and waste their time. Keep it clean next time
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Haven't been on in awhile and I see an argument going on? C'mon guys. Okay, about maintaining ROMs, when maintaining there are nightly's based off the latest changes. The more changes lead to more better features (and maybe some bugs). Not all are stable. In fact, there is no such thing as a "fully stable" ROM. Even stock from Samsung isn't stable. And please, don't argue on here. Take it to PM or some other way to communicate. Not on here on a public thread. May I include, that I have an iPhone . Don't hate because the OS is not controllable. Its a nice OS and lots of great apps. But Android is specifacally better in my opinion. Don't hate me for that lol. Also, if you'd like to learn on how to dirty port a ROM just google it and let's see if you can make a "stable" ROM. Move on everyone. lol
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You're right. It's important to remember that no one here is under ANY obligation to share anything - roms, root, recoveries, mods, etc - with anyone. So lets just appreciate what we have. :thumbup:
Let's also get a mod to close this thread, nothing more good can come of it.
This trollfest has gone on long enough. The sheer amount of disrespect flying around astounds me. Read the rules folks.
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Things have been interesting for Cyanogen at best lately, but it things maybe get even more interesting for Cyanogenmod soon:
[Updated] Steve Kondik blames Kirt McMaster for Cyanogen Inc's failure, CyanogenMod to reorganize and regroup (Android Police Link)
Some of the article above, I'm sure is Steve, venting, but below is a quote from the article above:
A big part of "next" is CM. It costs a lot of money to keep the servers running at this scale, and I figure we have about two months to GTFO. There are also IP issues. And the haters are getting to be too much to handle. On the other hand, it's been a huge part of my life for 8 years now and I don't want to let go of it.
A few questions for the community first..
1. Should we keep going? Is it worth it? I'm sure I can crowdfund the project, especially if we did something like "Darkside" and really revitalized it. I'm not sure of the endgame yet, though.
2. The main IP is the brand and trademarks. I don't know if I can get it back without a fight, and I'm tired of fighting. We will likely need to fork and rebrand, which might not be a bad thing. Would you support it?
3. If we reboot, what should we do differently?
4. The rest of the ROM community seems to be highly dependent on us, but simultaneously wants us dead. How on earth do you fix this?
5. WWJBQD?
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It is an interesting read.
Meh. CM's been dead to me for quite a while anyways, but hope everything gets figured out
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Is it me or am I the only one that is surprised by the fact that this is not front-paged on this site?
For most custom ROM "normies" who don't use anything other than Cyanogen(Mod), this is pretty major news.
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Is it me or am I the only one that is surprised by the fact that this is not front-paged on this site?
For most custom ROM "normies" who don't use anything other than Cyanogen(Mod), this is pretty major news.
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Before I posted this I looked all over for some sort of coverage on this, as I figured there would be something. I can't believe there is still nothing. I realize there has always been drama at Cyanogen, but this is starting to look like it might actually affect Cyanogenmod.
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Before I posted this I looked all over for some sort of coverage on this, as I figured there would be something. I can't believe there is still nothing. I realize there has always been drama at Cyanogen, but this is starting to look like it might actually affect Cyanogenmod.
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I'm actually thinking the same thing, now that Steve Kondik has left the sinking ship.
People can say what they want about Cyanogen(Mod) all they want, and all the bad things said about them would be accurate, but sadly, this might be a major, perhaps negative, change for the Android enthusiast/hobbyist scene.
And on Slashdot today....:
All Cyanogen Services Are Shutting Down
From that link:
A very brief post on Cyanogen's blog says it all really: "As part of the ongoing consolidation of Cyanogen, all services and Cyanogen-supported nightly builds will be discontinued no later than 12/31/16. The open source project and source code will remain available for anyone who wants to build CyanogenMod personally.
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