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Why is it that ever since the Sensation has come out that there is very little to no AOSP support and/or development for it?
The closest we ever seem to have are Sense-stripped ROMs, and it's so annoying.
Now the CM9 team has stopped Sensation development? What the hell is going on?
Is it the Sensation's architecture that renders it just that difficult for our very respected and talented developers to provide such content?
I despise Sense with the deepest passion imaginable. May someone please explain the lack of AOSP support for this amazing device?
Excuse my ranting but I can't hold out for much longer without knowing a clear answer.
i agree with u
Dude, seriously get a grip. Our very own devs are working on it and have a 2nd alpha release already out. Look in the dev section and you'll see the be from virtuous. It's got it's bugs, but it's we'll on its way to stardom. Forget cm9, those people don't know what it means to finish what they start. Take stock in our devs, as they are working their butt off as we speak.
And yes, it's no easy task. Ics is radically new and different. Give it some time and some more Htc release before we have a solid rom.
Matt
First off, yes there is an alpha AOSP ICS from the virtuous team that looks promising. Second, CM did not drop the sensation. Dunno where you got that info. Kmobs just posted this on twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/kmobs/status/160440102626136066
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Dude, seriously get a grip. Our very own devs are working on it and have a 2nd alpha release already out. Look in the dev section and you'll see the be from virtuous. It's got it's bugs, but it's we'll on its way to stardom. Forget cm9, those people don't know what it means to finish what they start. Take stock in our devs, as they are working their butt off as we speak.
And yes, it's no easy task. Ics is radically new and different. Give it some time and some more Htc release before we have a solid rom.
Matt
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For sure, I understand, I'm not trying to be ignorant, I just love AOSP.
Also, with my previous Android device being the myTouch 4G, it received an AOSP ROM, actually a variety of them rather quickly.
Like I said I respect our developers and love them to death, I'm just having AOSP withdrawals. HTC Sense is tearing me apart
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First off, yes there is an alpha AOSP ICS from the virtuous team that looks promising. Second, CM did not drop the sensation. Dunno where you got that info. Kmobs just posted this on twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/kmobs/status/160440102626136066
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I knew about the Alpha ROM, just wish it wasn't the only one in development. I believe I saw the CM9 info in another thread. Apparently it was mistaken.
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First off, yes there is an alpha AOSP ICS from the virtuous team that looks promising. Second, CM did not drop the sensation. Dunno where you got that info. Kmobs just posted this on twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/kmobs/status/160440102626136066
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I'll believe it when I see it. If he's telling the truth, then communcation is key...his g+ paints a different picture. One with the GN getting all the attention.
Oh well, I feel team virtuous is well ahead of him anyways and they also are more than one or two dudes working on a charity case.
Matt
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I'll believe it when I see it. If he's telling the truth, then communcation is key...his g+ paints a different picture. One with the GN getting all the attention.
Oh well, I feel team virtuous is well ahead of him anyways and they also are more than one or two dudes working on a charity case.
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And I thank the Virtuous team for tackling the project. No one else seems to care, guess Sense has everyone by the neck.
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I'll believe it when I see it. If he's telling the truth, then communcation is key...his g+ paints a different picture. One with the GN getting all the attention.
Oh well, I feel team virtuous is well ahead of him anyways and they also are more than one or two dudes working on a charity case.
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I highly doubt a respected developer such as kmobs would be lying to our faces. While the way CM team operates might be infuriating to us flashaholics, they are secretive for a reason. They want a high quality release with initially all internal efforts. And hey, its gotten them to a millions users, so they must be doing something right.
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I highly doubt a respected developer such as kmobs would be lying to our faces. While the way CM team operates might be infuriating to us flashaholics, they are secretive for a reason. They want a high quality release with initially all internal efforts. And hey, its gotten them to a millions users, so they must be doing something right.
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No one from cm7 has said that development has stopped. These devs have lives and other things to do and other problems to deal with. Kmobs doesn't want to release a buggy Rom which I think is good.
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When you pay the CM developers a salary, then you can complain about their release schedules.
When they give you their work for free, it'll come out when they are ready for it to come out and you ought to be grateful.
If it doesn't come out at all, you've got nothing to complain about because you didn't do anything to help it come out.
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When you pay the CM developers a salary, then you can complain about their release schedules.
When they give you their work for free, it'll come out when they are ready for it to come out and you ought to be grateful.
If it doesn't come out at all, you've got nothing to complain about because you didn't do anything to help it come out.
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News flash, they are playing with the idea of charging for things in the future. They want to have their own marketplace and make money on the side for this and that. Check Kmobs g+ for more information. They're going to have to get used to quite a bit more if they want to be successful. Communication is key, and in this case, king. They better get used to a whole lot more the second they receive money for an app.
Also, no one is *****ing about not having cm9 yet, they are *****ing about the secrecy as to whether or not it is even still a possibility. I believe it was mentioned that many other OLDER phones have some version of cm9 already, yet we don't.
Also, they never said cm7 was over either, yet the consensus says that it is. We've heard zip officially about cm9 or cm7.
If this is how they run their future paid for apps business, I'll steer clear as will most. As for now, I'm sure they enjoy the free beers they get from all the donations. It would be a nice gesture of them to give an update about cm9.
Aside from Kmobs and company, it's refreshing to see a group of people working hard on an ics aosp. Once they get a few more things ironed out, I'm sure they will see a lot more donations coming their way.
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News flash, they are playing with the idea of charging for things in the future. They want to have their own marketplace and make money on the side for this and that. Check Kmobs g+ for more information. They're going to have to get used to quite a bit more if they want to be successful. Communication is key, and in this case, king. They better get used to a whole lot more the second they receive money for an app.
Also, no one is *****ing about not having cm9 yet, they are *****ing about the secrecy as to whether or not it is even still a possibility. I believe it was mentioned that many other OLDER phones have some version of cm9 already, yet we don't.
Also, they never said cm7 was over either, yet the consensus says that it is. We've heard zip officially about cm9 or cm7.
If this is how they run their future paid for apps business, I'll steer clear as will most. As for now, I'm sure they enjoy the free beers they get from all the donations. It would be a nice gesture of them to give an update about cm9.
Aside from Kmobs and company, it's refreshing to see a group of people working hard on an ics aosp. Once they get a few more things ironed out, I'm sure they will see a lot more donations coming their way.
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And I'm stoked about the Virtuous project.
I also understand these concerns of "you're not doing much to help" yet all I'm saying, is that I think a powerful and amazing device such as the Sensation should have more of an AOSP ROM variety. Most other devices have all kinds of AOSP ROMs.
I wish all of us, the Sensation community, would have worried more about AOSP ROMs other than our huge database of Sense based ROMs. Don't get me wrong, however, our Sense ROMs are absolutely amazing and they've helped my patience along with, I'm sure, many other user's patience as well.
This is what i have been thinking since i moved from mytouch 4g to sensation. I just don't know why but it looks like sensation users/developers is not interested in MIUI rom ( i only see 1 MIUI rom, and it not fully working, no update recently).
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This is what i have been thinking since i moved from mytouch 4g to sensation. I just don't know why but it looks like sensation users/developers is not interested in MIUI rom ( i only see 1 MIUI rom, and it not fully working, no update recently).
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Actually, the MIUI ROM in the dev section has been updated as of a few days ago. Also there is another highly functional MIUI ROM floating around but linking to it is forbidden. Hit up google if interested.
I think CyanogenMod has to be secretive to function.
You make a good point, I haven't seen hardly any AOSP roms for the sensation besides cyanogenmod. Although I think cyanogenmod 7 is ridiculously fast, and it's aosp, I quite like it...and cm9 beta is available for the sensation, but I agree with the fact that they don't announce ANYTHING...their last update on cm9 was like december 9th.
However, if you think of it from their perspective, can you possibly imagine releasing a buggy beta rom to THAT many people? I mean, the first rom a lot of people hear about is cyanogenmod, so all of the new people would flash that, and we all know how many new people can't read a set of clear instructions...
So, i think that it is almost required for them to keep it on the down low, to avoid mass confusion and complaining from every single user who can't read...It's like when you read the comments morons leave in the market...
anyways, sorry to rant. but Yeah, I think that they pretty much have to be more secretive, not all of their users are active forum members seeking to better the community and not be ignorant.
I've always been curious why A2DP bluetooth and the camera are always the hardest things to fix on most phones when compiling an AOSP ROM. I thought the ROM source would help with that, but I don't know exactly how it works.
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I've always been curious why A2DP bluetooth and the camera are always the hardest things to fix on most phones when compiling an AOSP ROM. I thought the ROM source would help with that, but I don't know exactly how it works.
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From what I understand, both of those things (including wifi hotspot) are kernel related. It's hard to dev's to fix those things without the proper kernel source.
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From what I understand, both of those things (including wifi hotspot) are kernel related. It's hard to dev's to fix those things without the proper kernel source.
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Ah that helped me understand a lot more.
just an fyi that xda isn't the only place to find roms...
Is it me or does it seem like most of the devs are shying away from cornerstone? Yeah, they have nightly cornerstone build, but it's completely unsupported and, according to the devs, is just for fun.
Why are the devs so hesitant to include cornerstone in their builds?
Lack of experience, first time most devs have seen ics, more work, etc.
Yeah its cool and has great features but there isn't an uproar by the users to have it now.
There is a lot of desire for this damn feature, but most of the threads are by people who don't look for the original threads.. etc. I agree though, most devs probably want to fix ICS first THEN work on extra features. IMO though, this multi-task feature should have been a big update for tablets.
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Is it me or does it seem like most of the devs are shying away from cornerstone? Yeah, they have nightly cornerstone build, but it's completely unsupported and, according to the devs, is just for fun.
Why are the devs so hesitant to include cornerstone in their builds?
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I'm interested as well, though I can understand some hesitation. I had heard that it has been a WIP for a while, I don't believe it's a close to a finished product yet. IIRC there was just a big code rewrite for it and the window swap feature isn't included currently. It's a shame really, I think the majority of the development is going to be with onskreen for a while until they can put out a stable code base. Either way, there are nightlies now.. its only been a few days.
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Is it me or does it seem like most of the devs are shying away from cornerstone? Yeah, they have nightly cornerstone build, but it's completely unsupported and, according to the devs, is just for fun.
Why are the devs so hesitant to include cornerstone in their builds?
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You would think that if cornerstone requires so much work why not do it from the start instead of slapping it in after all the bugs are ironed out then breaking evreything.
Oh and i wil be ssticking with the cornerstone roms even with all the bugs. Of which there arent many... if you count a text file one bug report.
Mostly i think it will be the people who like a challenge and dont mind if your tablet reboots or you are typing on the keyboard and the virtual kbd is up.
I personally love it and CM9 together it's like a damn hallmark card.
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its not a feature everyone wants and how many versions with onskreen do we really need? kinda boring if they all do it. although i personally think its the best feature on my tf ive used!
early days and i know jcarrz1 thinks its a cool feature but from what was said it would be done as a seperate rom from Frozn........ IF he does it and IF asus ever get his charger back to him lol.
Exactly what is the difference between the EOS and CM9 roms with cornerstone at the moment? I'm going to flash one of them over the weekend to play with cornerstone, but I'm not sure which to use now..
I am willing to bet that the new tablets coming out this year will have something like cornerstone, but probably much much better.
Windows 8 is coming to tablets. Windows itself is a multitasking OS due to the "windows".
Android will come up with something of their own too, they have no choice.
This reason alone is enough for me to ditch my dual core tab and get a more powerful one later on.
(because I know this is coming)
And no, tablets have not hit a plateau at measly 1.2ghz dual core. You won't convince anyone with that other than your grandmother.
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Exactly what is the difference between the EOS and CM9 roms with cornerstone at the moment? I'm going to flash one of them over the weekend to play with cornerstone, but I'm not sure which to use now..
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Go with EOS + v9 gapps. A lot more stable and a lot less bugs. The onscreen keyboard even goes away when you plug into the dock.
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Go with EOS + v9 gapps. A lot more stable and a lot less bugs. The onscreen keyboard even goes away when you plug into the dock.
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Weird cause for me I had lots of crashes with eos. Although I do agree about the dock. Cool I will check it out.
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I personally prefer waiting for an official Google solution (in Jelly Beans?), but maybe if cornerstone is incorporated in one of the common ROMs I'll try it just for fun.
i'd wager most of the devs are just chefs.
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Is it me or does it seem like most of the devs are shying away from cornerstone? Yeah, they have nightly cornerstone build, but it's completely unsupported and, according to the devs, is just for fun.
Why are the devs so hesitant to include cornerstone in their builds?
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Currently?
I would love to support it. I really would.
However in its current state, cornerstone introduces a wide range of bugs.
There are only so many hours in a day I can dedicate to rom development, and unfortunately cornerstone doesn't make the cut.
-- solarnz,
Lead developer and founder of Team Eos.
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Currently?
I would love to support it. I really would.
However in its current state, cornerstone introduces a wide range of bugs.
There are only so many hours in a day I can dedicate to rom development, and unfortunately cornerstone doesn't make the cut.
-- solarnz,
Lead developer and founder of Team Eos.
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From what I understand, the cornerstone source is a mess? Anyone have any examples of what is wrong with the cornerstone source and why it conflicts with Android in such a way?
If it is so messy, then it would seem some of our better devs here could (if motivated) write their own windowed overlay, similar to but not based on Onskreen. That way the code would be much cleaner, but it would only be a matter of time to devote, which I have high suspicions that the better devs here have very little of..
If anyone follow Steve Kondik on Google+,
He made this comment about cornerstone
Steve Kondik - Running this on my 10.1 right now. Definitely needs a bit of a tune-up, but lots of potential and I look forward to having it in CM9
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This was a reply to his Cornerstone comments.
Not sure if this Dianne Hackborn is part of the Conerstone dev team or not
Dianne Hackborn - Okay, let me please please beg you not to do this. I can guarantee you this introduces all kinds of application compatibility issues. We work really hard to give our developers a consistent environment where their apps will operate correctly across all the devices Market runs on, not being impacted by negative reviews from bad devices that they should not have to deal specially with.
If you start making your own distributions of Android behaving in such fundamentally different ways, I suspect we are going to need to start doing things to prevent you from impacting our app ecosystem. I'm not sure what, but I could imagine things such as restricting how users can interact with Market apps on these devices (not allowing reviews or such).
We have let a lot of things in this area slide -- for example to be allowed to include Market on your device you are supposed to fully pass CTS. However, if you start really diverging from the core Android platform (I would argue this takes you well into the realm of a fork rather than a customization) then some deep issues are going to come up about how we handle these custom builds.
We have been putting a lot of thought and work for a number of years into how to let Android applications run on increasingly diverse and dynamic screens. Doing this correctly, without impacting our app developers in a negative way, is a really challenging problem. I also think it is something that needs to be done at the mainline platform level, not as a customization, because doing it right is going to require new well defined interfaces with applications for them to interact with it, possibly starting with just a facility they need to use to opt in to it.
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baseballfanz said:
If anyone follow Steve Kondik on Google+,
He made this comment about cornerstone
This was a reply to his Cornerstone comments.
Not sure if this Dianne Hackborn is part of the Conerstone dev team or not
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Diane Hackborn is part of the Google team
Does this mean that 'open source' Google doesn't like people diverting from their source too far? She says cornerstone alters the way Android OS functions..cornerstone is almost another fork on the source tree than a customization on the Android OS (wow) I had no idea it was that involved..and apparently, Google does not like cornerstone (or at least some of the higher-ups that work for Google).
So exciting
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...rnel-source-code-including-that-of-the-one-v/
EDIT: http://dl4.htc.com/RomCode/Source_and_Binaries/doubleshot-gb-crc-2.6.35-f3a1982.tar.gz
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so exciting
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...rnel-source-code-including-that-of-the-one-v/
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yyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssssssssss
Soo.... Does anyone think we could see some pure AOSP action now? Or someone could update the kernel for CM7? As you will see in general someone -whom I suspect is not alone - would love an AOSP ROM on our HTC Doubleshot.
Maybe this kernel isn't that good as we suppose...
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Maybe this kernel isn't that good as we suppose...
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Well.... What did u expect? we don't have an ICS ROM in our future that we have been made aware of, and it is truly great news as this is something that has made many a dev stray away from this device - now we might be able to get CM7 stable - and others to work off of CM7 such as blahblah
Good news nevertheless
We need to get CM7 STABLE ASAP
We may be late in the running, but that doesn't mean we still can't get merged into the main tree
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Maybe this kernel isn't that good as we suppose...
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Its worse than you thought... The source code was released a really long time ago. This is just an updated kernel, so the real reason for lack of development isn't because the source code wasn't available. :/
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Its worse than you thought... The source code was released a really long time ago. This is just an updated kernel, so the real reason for lack of development isn't because the source code wasn't available. :/
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Updated source is awesome though. Tried to get it earlier and couldn't - can't on shift and will be working straight until Friday afternoon so won't have a chance to try again for a few days.
Any percieved lack of development is due to people not putting any effort into it - everyone who cries about a lack of development should do something about it instead of waiting for someone else to do so.
Why come here if you don't want to get into dev, worse, come here and complain about yourself not doing anything? Kinda silly.
Whenever I see people complain about a lack of development I wonder why they would basically make fun of themselves? It gives me a laugh at their expense...
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Yeah i just got the source downloaded because it matches the new ota I'm running now, I've never seen what a dual core source looks like, or if I'll even be able to compile a kernel for this device, I've only compiled a few for the EVO shift, which was straight forward with a little help from my boy drob...who knows o may get it to boot ha-ha.......nope I fudged something in my toolchain It's broke....again.....LOL
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Yeah i just got the source downloaded because it matches the new ota I'm running now, I've never seen what a dual core source looks like, or if I'll even be able to compile a kernel for this device, I've only compiled a few for the EVO shift, which was straight forward with a little help from my boy drob...who knows o may get it to boot ha-ha
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http://dl.dropbox.com/u/62701184/arm-eabi-4.4.3.zip
That link is for the toolchain you need, i've been hosting it on dropbox for a while until I get it over to a more permanent host.
I can walk you through it later if you want.
I have it written up on how to set up your linux environment and make changes, including versioning instructions, just haven't found the time to polish off a part of it and add it to the dev reference yet.
Got a whole space reserved for the how to from start to finish on making kernels for the doubleshot, and i've already walked people through it with no kernel dev experience so if you've done it for another device it'll be a cakewalk.
I'm eating breakfast now and gotta run out to another job, and going straight from there to dodgeball practice, then work again tonight and from there right to the job i'm about to do again tomorrow this time, so tomorrow night i'm doubtless going to sleep - maybe as early as saturday evening I could go through it with you on IRC if you are interested.
Otherwise I hope to have that in the dev ref next week, work permitting.
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http://dl.dropbox.com/u/62701184/arm-eabi-4.4.3.zip
That link is for the toolchain you need, i've been hosting it on dropbox for a while until I get it over to a more permanent host.
I can walk you through it later if you want.
I have it written up on how to set up your linux environment and make changes, including versioning instructions, just haven't found the time to polish off a part of it and add it to the dev reference yet.
Got a whole space reserved for the how to from start to finish on making kernels for the doubleshot, and i've already walked people through it with no kernel dev experience so if you've done it for another device it'll be a cakewalk.
I'm eating breakfast now and gotta run out to another job, and going straight from there to dodgeball practice, then work again tonight and from there right to the job i'm about to do again tomorrow this time, so tomorrow night i'm doubtless going to sleep - maybe as early as saturday evening I could go through it with you on IRC if you are interested.
Otherwise I hope to have that in the dev ref next week, work permitting.
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I might have my little one on Saturday night so that maybe a no go for then, the tool chain I currently have is 4.4.1, because anything newer for the speedy breaks a ton during the compile.....I changed some commands around for ****s and giggles and got a zimage in arch/arm/boot so I split it with the ota ramdisk and I'm just gonna try....if that goes south I'll setup your tool chain....thanks blue your like the DoubleShot dictionary....
Also I'm gonna grab one of your kernel zips for test flashes if that's ok
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Updated source is awesome though. Tried to get it earlier and couldn't - can't on shift and will be working straight until Friday afternoon so won't have a chance to try again for a few days.
Any percieved lack of development is due to people not putting any effort into it - everyone who cries about a lack of development should do something about it instead of waiting for someone else to do so.
Why come here if you don't want to get into dev, worse, come here and complain about yourself not doing anything? Kinda silly.
Whenever I see people complain about a lack of development I wonder why they would basically make fun of themselves? It gives me a laugh at their expense...
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Hey I'm not complaining, and I am working on it! I just have to balance between school and work and learning how to build cm7/cm9 from source.
You can check out a little bit of what I've been working on github.com/mafischer
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Hey I'm not complaining, and I am working on it! I just have to balance between school and work and learning how to build cm7/cm9 from source.
You can check out a little bit of what I've been working on github.com/mafischer
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Lol no worries my friend, was a general comment and not aimed at you in particular, just a perspective I wanted to put out there and you were the first opportunity to do so.
I still haven't found the time to get git set up and learn how to use it - that whole life getting in the way of living thing. Given you have git going that makes you a more responsible dev then I in my book -
@ strapped: all my work available is a contribution to the open source community at large, and the members of XDA in particular. If any of it can be useful, especially as a teaching tool, I wholeheartedly encourage it!
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Where did all of you come from?
Never knew there was this many people working on the Doubleshot in the background...
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Where did all of you come from?
Never knew there was this many people working on the Doubleshot in the background...
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I've been here since i preordered my doubleshot... I just haven't had time to work on much of anything, so there's no point in advertising to the community that I'm gonna work on things that may or may not ever get finished. I don't want to spread false hope or anything.
I am however, graduating in may; I'm going to be working over at walmart isd for a summer internship, and I should have more time on my hands once school is over!
How integrated is the Sense stuff into the kernel? As I understand it, we've had trouble removing the Sense underpinnings from the operating system to get it working with things such as Sixaxis. I'm aware that this is entirely a lack of understanding on my part.
I would quite love to get involved in building a ROM myself, perhaps even setting up CM9 from scratch. I just have no idea how to get started. I've mucked around with custom kernels and embedded linux (not android) devices in the past, but I'm not sure how that knowledge would apply to this system. I also have no history of proper programming languages or anything like that. I'm vaguely familiar with how to compile things with the ARM toolchains.
I'm also a tad nervous about bricking the device by writing to a memory location that I really shouldn't be touching.
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How integrated is the Sense stuff into the kernel? As I understand it, we've had trouble removing the Sense underpinnings from the operating system to get it working with things such as Sixaxis. I'm aware that this is entirely a lack of understanding on my part.
I would quite love to get involved in building a ROM myself, perhaps even setting up CM9 from scratch. I just have no idea how to get started. I've mucked around with custom kernels and embedded linux (not android) devices in the past, but I'm not sure how that knowledge would apply to this system. I also have no history of proper programming languages or anything like that. I'm vaguely familiar with how to compile things with the ARM toolchains.
I'm also a tad nervous about bricking the device by writing to a memory location that I really shouldn't be touching.
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Sorry for quoting the whole post just to address one thing, but in regards to sixaxis I'm sure it's a safe bet that if one were to simply replace the stock bluetooth stack with the one kornyone used for cm7 in my bulletproof rom it would work fine, and I doubt much other, if any modification would be necessary.
I haven't had time to try, and truthfully i'd rather build my own so am kinda intentionally not trying - I am more interested in the project then just jumping into a solution.
It really depends on what you are trying to do - some sense things can be replaced with relatively little effort, other things are so interwoven it would take considerable effort and time to unravel, reverse engineer and implement a new solution.
A lot of people have been working on different parts of unravelling sense since back in august, and around the middle of that month we got s-off and really started digging in.
There is a considerable knowledge base lurking here to address this kind of stuff if people make it known they are working on things - dig back through the history of the device here at XDA and you can catch a glimpse of it and get some direction on who you can approach when you hit a roadblock, depending on what kind of roadblock it is.
It's better for us as a community to have that kind of knowledge out on the public forum, but there's much more here then what face value suggests.
I've been trying to get that kind of stuff and a general 'start here' knowledge base built in the developers reference stickied here in dev, reading through that would be a good place to start getting oriented on devving for the dubleshot.
I just go through some crazy work cycles and sometimes can't be around much for a time here and ther, so my contributions come in groups and gaps.
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I've been here since i preordered my doubleshot... I just haven't had time to work on much of anything, so there's no point in advertising to the community that I'm gonna work on things that may or may not ever get finished. I don't want to spread false hope or anything.
I am however, graduating in may; I'm going to be working over at walmart isd for a summer internship, and I should have more time on my hands once school is over!
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It doesn't matter whether or not you finish. Status updates would be nice though. At least that way people can know what you're up to, and they may even be able to help you and vice versa.
No one here is demanding an ETA or even a completion at all. We're all in for the fun of it.
Either way I think I can safely speak for everyone when I say, we're excited to see what you got cooking
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Sorry for quoting the whole post just to address one thing, but in regards to sixaxis I'm sure it's a safe bet that if one were to simply replace the stock bluetooth stack with the one kornyone used for cm7 in my bulletproof rom it would work fine, and I doubt much other, if any modification would be necessary.
I haven't had time to try, and truthfully i'd rather build my own so am kinda intentionally not trying - I am more interested in the project then just jumping into a solution.
It really depends on what you are trying to do - some sense things can be replaced with relatively little effort, other things are so interwoven it would take considerable effort and time to unravel, reverse engineer and implement a new solution.
A lot of people have been working on different parts of unravelling sense since back in august, and around the middle of that month we got s-off and really started digging in.
There is a considerable knowledge base lurking here to address this kind of stuff if people make it known they are working on things - dig back through the history of the device here at XDA and you can catch a glimpse of it and get some direction on who you can approach when you hit a roadblock, depending on what kind of roadblock it is.
It's better for us as a community to have that kind of knowledge out on the public forum, but there's much more here then what face value suggests.
I've been trying to get that kind of stuff and a general 'start here' knowledge base built in the developers reference stickied here in dev, reading through that would be a good place to start getting oriented on devving for the dubleshot.
I just go through some crazy work cycles and sometimes can't be around much for a time here and ther, so my contributions come in groups and gaps.
Sent from a digital distance.
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I've been trying to go through the dev reference that you posted and track down as much scattered information as I can, but I'm still not quite sure what I'm doing. Alas.
Regarding bluetooth: would the gingerbread stack be compatible with ICS?
gtmaster303 said:
It doesn't matter whether or not you finish. Status updates would be nice though. At least that way people can know what you're up to, and they may even be able to help you and vice versa.
No one here is demanding an ETA or even a completion at all. We're all in for the fun of it.
Either way I think I can safely speak for everyone when I say, we're excited to see what you got cooking
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Well what I'm currently up to is making a stable version of cm7 for the doubleshot. I have made lots of progress as far as learning all the tools necessary to compile android from source, which is a relatively simple task. The not so simple part is trying to put together like a puzzle, the source code from other devices. I've hit some roadblocks and I'm currently asking some devs for help, but while I'm at it I guess I can ask for help here on xda.
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Well what I'm currently up to is making a stable version of cm7 for the doubleshot.
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Yeehaaa!
Has the Axiom ROM's development been stopped? I see the thread is now closed.
And I can't seem to find the download link to the Axiom version 2.8 version anywhere...
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Has the Axiom ROM's development been stopped? I see the thread is now closed.
And I can't seem to find the download link to the Axiom version 2.8 version anywhere...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1863900
saprydion said:
Has the Axiom ROM's development been stopped? I see the thread is now closed.
And I can't seem to find the download link to the Axiom version 2.8 version anywhere...
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Yeah they have stopped =( hate to see it stop it was such a great rom!!!
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Has the Axiom ROM's development been stopped? I see the thread is now closed.
And I can't seem to find the download link to the Axiom version 2.8 version anywhere...
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Yea, development has stopped. In twitter it was announced.
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oh man...and I just got my One S two days ago!
saprydion said:
oh man...and I just got my One S two days ago!
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Check out ViperOneS.
Great ROM.
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Check out ViperOneS.
Great ROM.
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Running Viper Rom now. Quite good.
But with Axiom gone, it seems like Viper Rom is the only game in town....for me at least, because I like de-Sensed ROMs
Thanks!
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Yea, development has stopped. In twitter it was announced.
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Ok, why?
This was the last working T-Mobile ROM, it seems. Viper doesn't have WiFi calling, I am not sure if anything does. Why the heck did they close the thread and take down all download links?
Too many people complaining, there were also some bugs but I think over time axiom could have evolved into something better, its not the end though, energy ROM is still going and that is just as good
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Too many people complaining, there were also some bugs but I think over time axiom could have evolved into something better, its not the end though, energy ROM is still going and that is just as good
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I'm not going to comment further on this other than to say this guy is incorrect and certainly is in no position to speak for the team.
Energy rom is very nice, if you guys need wifi calling.
And nothing huge was wrong with the last version of axiom, the sense version anyways.
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Aww. That sucks. I love de-sensed ROMs that keep the Sense camera. Can we at least have a download link for the latest Sense-less ROM? Or someone can PM it to me, thats ok
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I'm not going to comment further on this other than to say this guy is incorrect and certainly is in no position to speak for the team.
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Well, you are in a position to speak for the team. Do you think leaving one's users hanging without any warning or explanation is something a developer should ever do? I know from own experience that ROM development is hard work, and you were doing it for free. However, your ROM had a following, people were mostly very happy, you promised some future. Than out of the blue - boom! No more Axiom S! Gone! No explanation, no warning, no clarification - nothing! Closed the thread, turned off the lights, went home.
I see Mike is already hacking SGIII. That's cool, but you don't just stick a finger at your users, and go find another set of users. At the very least you owe them an explanation where you are going and why.
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Well, you are in a position to speak for the team. Do you think leaving one's users hanging without any warning or explanation is something a developer should ever do? I know from own experience that ROM development is hard work, and you were doing it for free. However, your ROM had a following, people were mostly very happy, you promised some future. Than out of the blue - boom! No more Axiom S! Gone! No explanation, no warning, no clarification - nothing! Closed the thread, turned off the lights, went home.
I see Mike is already hacking SGIII. That's cool, but you don't just stick a finger at your users, and go find another set of users. At the very least you owe them an explanation where you are going and why.
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Last time I checked we didn't charge for our work and so we owe you nothing.
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I'm not going to comment further on this other than to say this guy is incorrect and certainly is in no position to speak for the team.
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Not speaking for anyone...but the Axiom team did post on Twitter that they were ceasing development due to hate mail...probably what he meant when he referred to complaining.
"Development of Axiom ROMs has ceased. After much thought, tons of hate mail & other nonsense, we've come to the conclusion it's not worth it"-Axiom website/Twitter
I Am? I didn't know I was hacking the SGS3. Lol
Here's the thing...Axiom ROMs was never.....ever in my plans. Honestly how it started was Zylith and Zydroid. Zylith got busy so I picked up the slack and did more. Keep in mind I was doing this because this is what I wanted in a ROM and just happened to share it with the community, because it was Zylith's to begin with.
Personally, I got tired of the lack of support for HTC phones as of late. I originally was going to get a SGS3 over the One S, but decided not to wait for its release. Now I'm where I wanted to be originally. I'm sorry if you feel like I turned my back....AXSuite was open-sourced.....all that was needed now was a stock 1.84 base and those tweaks to be dropped right in...and BOOM, Axiom ROM again.
Things are rather busy in my life right now.....How? Well....I'm married for one.....got a kid on the way for two, getting into real estate for three, and Apple just did a product release which me, being a Tech Support Advisor for them....have to work much more hours.....which is already cutting away the time i had before.
Don't lash out at the rest of the team because of the unhappiness or disappointment you've experienced with production of a ROM ceased. Everyone has a brain and can learn this stuff people! You depend so much on people like us to do the work, why not learn it instead of getting pissed off because we choose personal lives over Android?
Last I checked....no one pays my bills, no even paid to use Axiom ROMs.....so we're not obligated to discussing anything really.
Don't mean to sound like a asshole, but I'm the only one who gives a damn about my personal life, no one else in here does. I gotta llok out for my best interest....so it is what it is. As for me doing work on the SGS3....not gonna happen. I won't be doing any ROMs for it, I'm much to busy to maintain a public release!
Stop with the PMs, stop with the frustration. AXSuite is open-sourced and for public use. Learn how to make a ROM and get it running. The whole reason we open-sourced it in the first place was to inspire others that want to learn how to do it, to actually do it!
Hate me or love me guys, I had to say what I needed to say. Not trying to be no douche or inconsiderate....I felt you guys deserved at least a reason as to why things happened the way they have....Nothing personal against anyone....but I gotta look out for me and my family and thats time that I can't spend on Android for now....
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tgtoys said:
Not speaking for anyone...but the Axiom team did post on Twitter that they were ceasing development due to hate mail...probably what he meant when he referred to complaining.
"Development of Axiom ROMs has ceased. After much thought, tons of hate mail & other nonsense, we've come to the conclusion it's not worth it"-Axiom website/Twitter
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Thanks for clarifying that....
Some of the team members lost interest because of how things started to turn out... People calling us kangs of Venom tweaks etc etc....you know the ordeal. We decided it's not fun anymore, not worth it either. We did it for free....asked for nothing in return. Seeing you all happy was enough for us. But the hate mail along with what's stated above....just killed the motivation....
Don't hate us for it, look at the users of other One S ROMs....not saying names....they're the ones who discouraged us. Imagine catching BS from people you don't know for you contributing something you expect nothing in return from....we're all human...
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I Am? I didn't know I was hacking the SGS3. Lol
Here's the thing...Axiom ROMs was never.....ever in my plans. Honestly how it started was Zylith and Zydroid. Zylith got busy so I picked up the slack and did more. Keep in mind I was doing this because this is what I wanted in a ROM and just happened to share it with the community, because it was Zylith's to begin with.
Personally, I got tired of the lack of support for HTC phones as of late. I originally was going to get a SGS3 over the One S, but decided not to wait for its release. Now I'm where I wanted to be originally. I'm sorry if you feel like I turned my back....AXSuite was open-sourced.....all that was needed now was a stock 1.84 base and those tweaks to be dropped right in...and BOOM, Axiom ROM again.
Things are rather busy in my life right now.....How? Well....I'm married for one.....got a kid on the way for two, getting into real estate for three, and Apple just did a product release which me, being a Tech Support Advisor for them....have to work much more hours.....which is already cutting away the time i had before.
Don't lash out at the rest of the team because of the unhappiness or disappointment you've experienced with production of a ROM ceased. Everyone has a brain and can learn this stuff people! You depend so much on people like us to do the work, why not learn it instead of getting pissed off because we choose personal lives over Android?
Last I checked....no one pays my bills, no even paid to use Axiom ROMs.....so we're not obligated to discussing anything really.
Don't mean to sound like a asshole, but I'm the only one who gives a damn about my personal life, no one else in here does. I gotta llok out for my best interest....so it is what it is. As for me doing work on the SGS3....not gonna happen. I won't be doing any ROMs for it, I'm much to busy to maintain a public release!
Stop with the PMs, stop with the frustration. AXSuite is open-sourced and for public use. Learn how to make a ROM and get it running. The whole reason we open-sourced it in the first place was to inspire others that want to learn how to do it, to actually do it!
Hate me or love me guys, I had to say what I needed to say. Not trying to be no douche or inconsiderate....I felt you guys deserved at least a reason as to why things happened the way they have....Nothing personal against anyone....but I gotta look out for me and my family and thats time that I can't spend on Android for now....
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By all means man, family comes first. Thank you (and your team) for the hard work that you put into the rom. It is very much appreciated. I myself would love to get to a level where I could develop, rather for myself or public, but between work, kids, and life, it would never happen, thank you for using the little free time you have to help us. The fact that you put as much time and dedication into the work you did is truly a source of charity for everyone who used your roms, or any of the information you provided. I'm sorry that you had to deal with hate mail and complainers. Too many people out there feel they are 'owed' something, and don't get the fact that what you do is out of kindness and hobby, and not something that you are obligated to do.
Take care, congrats on the upcoming baby, and good luck.
...oh, and sorry about all the hate mail you're going to get at work for the lack luster iPhone 5
tgtoys said:
Not speaking for anyone...but the Axiom team did post on Twitter that they were ceasing development due to hate mail...probably what he meant when he referred to complaining.
"Development of Axiom ROMs has ceased. After much thought, tons of hate mail & other nonsense, we've come to the conclusion it's not worth it"-Axiom website/Twitter
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Here are the key parts being over looked, highlighted in bold: Development of Axiom ROMs has ceased. After much thought, tons of hate mail & other nonsense, we've come to the conclusion it's not worth it". By the way I don't need anyone to remind me what I WROTE on Twitter. And one last thing the hate mail wasn't from our users!
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By all means man, family comes first. Thank you (and your team) for the hard work that you put into the rom. It is very much appreciated. I myself would love to get to a level where I could develop, rather for myself or public, but between work, kids, and life, it would never happen, thank you for using the little free time you have to help us. The fact that you put as much time and dedication into the work you did is truly a source of charity for everyone who used your roms, or any of the information you provided. I'm sorry that you had to deal with hate mail and complainers. Too many people out there feel they are 'owed' something, and don't get the fact that what you do is out of kindness and hobby, and not something that you are obligated to do.
Take care, congrats on the upcoming baby, and good luck.
...oh, and sorry about all the hate mail you're going to get at work for the lack luster iPhone 5
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I can't even begin to think how disappointed some iPhone users are.....nothing drastic has changed....innovation is dead! PLUS Samsung and HTC are gonna sue for LTE patent infringements lol....i may need to look for another job lol j/k
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I can't even begin to think how disappointed some iPhone users are.....nothing drastic has changed....innovation is dead! PLUS Samsung and HTC are gonna sue for LTE patent infringements lol....i may need to look for another job lol j/k
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Haha...wish Google had a patent on Chrome-to-Phone/Chrome sync...iCloud Tabs..really? Who came up with that one
Wondering if anybody could provide compelling reasons to be utilizing Cyanogenmod or Liquidsmooth over the other? I believe that Liquidsmooth is based on the CM tree, but am having trouble finding differences between the two at this point (with both using JellyBean 4.2.1 builds). Does anybody have experience with one of these recent builds running more stably than the other?
FYI, I'm running an unlocked Verizon Galaxy S3 (and loving it!).
Thanks in advance!
IMHO, Liquid is more stable. The difference with their rom is that they add their own tweaks and apps and such. Cm is like the base 4.2 for all aosp roms. They each have their own unique features but with my experience, Liquid has been more stable
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um i dont think we can choose between the 2 if im not mistaken liquidsmooth is Cyanogen based
Alright, I'll be the bad guy.
Most notorious thiefs in the biz. Refuse to give credit (even when asked numerous times by mods -- I've seen the PMs) and basically a paid service with the sheer amount of times they ask for donations. Almost begging -- pathetic.
If you've been around long enough, you'd know their OP did NOT read like it does now. That took years. I used to run Liquid on my D1, then I heard (and saw) from a little birdy what they're all about. Saw the evidence and my eyes were opened.
I swiftly blocked both Liquid team members from my gtalk and haven't ran it since. I pity the fool who gives them a dime. Way better alternatives that don't beg for money like a panhandler...
Flame on.
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1ManWolfePack said:
Alright, I'll be the bad guy.
Most notorious thiefs in the biz. Refuse to give credit (even when asked numerous times by mods -- I've seen the PMs) and basically a paid service with the sheer amount of times they ask for donations. Almost begging -- pathetic.
If you've been around long enough, you'd know their OP did NOT read like it does now. That took years. I used to run Liquid on my D1, then I heard (and saw) from a little birdy what they're all about. Saw the evidence and my eyes were opened.
***SNIP***
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Thanks 1ManWolfePack - I appreciate the candid response. Hopefully the LS team is operating a bit more honestly these days, but I'll give base CM another go and hope I can get it to run stably. I've actually had similar experience so far as BraddahBoi808 in that the LS 4.2.1 builds have been more stable, but I'm looking for better battery life and hope recent CM builds will provide it (perhaps in conjunction with a new kernel).
In my experience, I've found CM to be a lot smoother than Liquid. In fact, I never really found Liquid to be as "LiquidSmooth" as they say. I only used it when I did because it was one of the only roms available at first on the N7 and Verizon GN.
Of course I'll choose the Big Three over Liquid anyday.
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In my experience, I've found CM to be a lot smoother than Liquid. In fact, I never really found Liquid to be as "LiquidSmooth" as they say. I only used it when I did because it was one of the only roms available at first on the N7 and Verizon GN.
Of course I'll choose the Big Three over Liquid anyday.
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Thanks SwiftLegend - really appreciate the feedback. I've installed the latest nightly of CM10.1 successfully, but it's still got a bluetooth issue so I'm looking around at other options (which I enjoy doing anyway). Excuse the question, but what are the big three that you've referred to? One is clearly Cyanogenmod, guessing a second is AOKP, and is the third by chance MIUI?
I ran Liquid ICS and 4.1 on my Nexus for a while. Was nice, didnt have any issues and had a little more of the customization pulls included.
Have run CM also. Would have liked a little more customization, but again no big issues here either.
Try both.What do you have to lose? 30 min
BTW, where do you see a liquid build for our device?
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BTW, where do you see a liquid build for our device?
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I actually did run both... have used CM in the past and was using LS recently. Couldn't really find any significant differences and was wondering if others had found them.
Sorry to have gotten your hopes up re: a LS build for the Galaxy Note II - I realized after the fact that I posted in the wrong device forum (I'm using a Galaxy SIII) but still got relevant responses so left the thread as-is. Hope a build comes out for the Note II soon for you though!
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Thanks SwiftLegend - really appreciate the feedback. I've installed the latest nightly of CM10.1 successfully, but it's still got a bluetooth issue so I'm looking around at other options (which I enjoy doing anyway). Excuse the question, but what are the big three that you've referred to? One is clearly Cyanogenmod, guessing a second is AOKP, and is the third by chance MIUI?
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CyanogenMod, AOKP, and Paranoid Android (PA)
This is the Note II section
I will move to the S3 for you
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This is the Note II section
I will move to the S3 for you
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Thanks Kenny - realized my error after the fact. I appreciate your assistance!
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CyanogenMod, AOKP, and Paranoid Android (PA)
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Very interesting... hadn't noted PA before... looks like a VERY interesting ROM, but unfortunately not available (as I can tell) for the VZW G3, and certainly not in 4.2.1 flavor yet.
In the meantime, I think I'll be monitoring CM & LS for the first stable 4.2.1 build that includes functional bluetooth, GPS, and streaming audio. LS beta 1 version A has actually been the closest I've found thus far, but the battery life was horrendous.
CM 10.1 works a lot better on my phone than liquid smooth. The latest of liquids betas freeze up my phone, won't let it wake up, and I have to keep toggling data on and off to keep it.
Well this is an interesting thread.
I'm the team liquid communications guy. Here's what I can tell you about what we do. Bear in mind, I'm not a dev - I'm here specifically to handle releases, etc.
The team is made up of a few core devs. Liquid0624, nocoast, and winner00. Occasionally hiemanshu as well but lately I think he's travelling. By far Liquid0624 makes up the core of what this rom is.
We were based on CM briefly for 4.1.2, but are back to AOSP. We didn't care for the CM base. Here's what we do - we take the AOSP code, and optimize the hell out of it. Our roms are ~100mb. We then start to add in features. We tend to go for the same popular features everyone else likes. Generally more than CM, but not so jammed with features as AOKP can be. Sometimes too much of a good thing is too much.
Credit is always given. If we miss it, it's an oversight. Given I'm not really a dev, I can see that happening and I shall endeavor to ensure that better care is taken for such things. I absolutely agree that such things deserve credit, always.
Do we need donations? You bet. We're a tiny little team, and Liquid0624 does this as his job. He works at least 12 hours a day on this, and is often pestering me at all hours of the night about new releases, etc. This is his life. So yeah, we need donations. Without them Liquid (whose name is Ryan, by the way) can't afford to keep doing this, and that means the rom dies. I'm doing this for free simply because I saw a need for a dedicated communications guy and wanted to keep that from happening. I know there's a rep. I understand why. I even agree that in the past things were stated in such a way as to make it seem like this was a pay-for-play operation. That's why I joined the team - I knew how it was on the inside and I saw the perceptions, and they didn't match.
That's the thing, really. This is not a pay-for-play operation. Literally the second a release is completed, I'm getting pings from Ryan. He doesn't like to hold onto things. I wish he would sometimes, and have actually started a group that helps to address that - more on that later. But there is no release we've ever held onto or not released to the public. Ever. Never, ever, ever. This is an open source based rom, and our code is freely available, our builds are freely available - always will be.
I'm always working on ways to make things even better. We created a "producers" group for folks who donate a certain amount. These folks get slightly better access to our devs via a google groups community - mostly chitchat back and forth. I've taken to posting builds there a little (couple hours) sooner, just to get some early testing done, but I think I've done that a total of twice. Most of the time Ryan is hot to get things out the door and into your hands. It's a way of us to say thanks to our supporters. We also are working on other ways to do so as well, because without our supporters we wouldn't exist. One of these days we'd like to have a paid app of some kind so folks can donate that way as well if they want. Maybe we will.
So that's the deal. We're in a place that all devs are in who can't afford to do this for free. We're passionate about android, we want to bring you the best rom possible - this is our daily driver too - but we need to literally keep the lights on and keep Ryan's family fed. So we need to ask for donations constantly. Would we rather not? You bet. But it is what it is, and it's a line we walk. Believe me when I say that no one is making retirement money, here. I have a family myself, and sometimes I think Ryan might be insane. There's zero doubt that he's passionate about this stuff, or he wouldn't be doing it.
But 1ManWolfePack, I'm going to argue to the end that we're a team of thieves. We work with other devs, we contribute code, we use code and credit it - just like the rest of the dev community. If you want to converse more about this privately, I'm more than willing. I will always take suggestions. It's a difficult line to walk - we think we've got something great, and want to give it to the world - but we do need to get something for the amazing amounts of time we spend, or we physically can't do it anymore.
Derek
Team Liquid
You don't have to donate if you don't want to.. It's free to the population... And imo its the best out there.. They get my money because I like the rom and it's my gift of gratitude back...
I don't know if you're broke or cheap, but to slander them for something that is technically free? You don't wanna donate? Don't.. Simple as that
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You must be rich. Maybe you should make a rom and give it for out free. Fail to understand your "Most notorious thiefs"
Your comment is worth a grain of salt.
1ManWolfePack said:
Alright, I'll be the bad guy.
Most notorious thiefs in the biz. Refuse to give credit (even when asked numerous times by mods -- I've seen the PMs) and basically a paid service with the sheer amount of times they ask for donations. Almost begging -- pathetic.
If you've been around long enough, you'd know their OP did NOT read like it does now. That took years. I used to run Liquid on my D1, then I heard (and saw) from a little birdy what they're all about. Saw the evidence and my eyes were opened.
I swiftly blocked both Liquid team members from my gtalk and haven't ran it since. I pity the fool who gives them a dime. Way better alternatives that don't beg for money like a panhandler...
Flame on.
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I just want to chime in the LS will have many more useful features than CM will have. CM is a great ROM, and I have ran it much more recently than I have ran liquid, but if I had to choose one it would probably be liquid. The team is very engaging and kind.
Yes, they ask for donations, but there are reasons for it, and it has no affect on your access of the ROM. I am running AOKP JB M1 at the moment, but once liquid has their first stable version of 4.2.1 ready for the GNex I will probably jump on.
Also, they base off of AOSP more often than not, and yes...I have been around since the D1 days.
Best,
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Liquidsmooth on Gnex has been stellar for me. Everytime I stray to a different ROM I always end up back to Liquidsmooth. Everything else has been laggy and slow for me. Can't answer for the SIII.
As far as the begging for money comment, I have never felt any kind of pressure to donate. When I do donate, I don't expect anything, just saying thanks to their team for the countless hours spent on putting the ROM together and they sure appreciate it.
Edit: Just to add, they don't treat me any different than anybody else whether I donate or not. I still get the ROM's in a timely manner either way. Matter of fact, just when I finished setting up Beta1D, here somes Beta2.
This may not be my place to chime in but i will anyways. I've been using LiquidSmooth roms since the OG Droid days, they were always what i expected back then and deeply contributed to my keeping that phone for so long. I donated a few times simply because i wanted to show my appreciation for there work (its like when doormen at hotels carry your bags to your room and you give them a few bucks, its to show appreciation, its not mandatory but it helps them) did i ever receive benefits for these donations? Hell no, did i expect them? Hell no. I simply did it because i wanted to show my appreciation for there work its that simple.
Now onto this "team of thieves" i see plenty of credits given in there posts.
Example A:
toxicthunder said:
Ours is an open source project. Please feel free to look at our code on LiquidSmooth GitHub
We would like to thank CyanogenMod for their device trees, framework/settings mods and their code that was incorporated into this project.
Furthermore, we also extend our gratitude to AOKP, Team CNA and Team EOS for parts of their code that we have incorporated.[/SIZE][/FONT]IMPORTANT NOTE:
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Now that doesn't look like a post that's 'stealing' its giving credit to others code that has been incorporated into the rom. Its not stealing at all. They also leave there entire project as open source, again if somebody is stealing why leave it open source? They leave it that way so if another developers see's something they like, they can contact them about using it in there rom. EVERY single rom created is almost guaranteed to have some idea borrowed from another developer, why? Because its open source, and each developer wants to try and give the users what they want. Stealing would be taking code without asking and then not giving credit, but this is the opposite. So again are they thieves? Nope, you might wanna get your facts checked, and knowledge checked, and evidence checked before making outrageous accusations.
Onto the "begging" thing, where in there thread are they begging for money? Posting a release with a link to the rom, gapps and donation link is NOT begging at all. Posting on twitter that liquids computer died and asking for donations to help him fix that so roms can continue to be developed is NOT begging. Its simply reminding "hey we have a donation link just in case you're feeling generous" when have they ever said "No donation, no rom!" lets see.... never, because that's not how it works. If you want to donate then that is your choice, you don't have a gun to your head, and you aren't paying for the rom. I still donate because i appreciate the work, and know how much time and effort goes into it. I also know that computer parts aren't cheap and that every donation helps. Asking for a simple donation that's a DONATION (not mandatory, not required, etc) is nowhere near begging. Sitting on the corner everyday on your hands and knees asking people for money that's begging. Telling someone "you can only have the download link if you donate 5$" is considered "pay to use", saying "Here's the link, gapps, and donation link" that's not 'pay to use' that's free to use with an option to donate.
And my finally, for somebody who claims liquid is this big bad terrible thieving team, i see no evidence of it, and i highly doubt there is any because its not true. You made some pretty big claims with nothing to back it up except "a little birdy told me" okay well a little birdy also told me that i could fly if i jumped off a bridge, but we both know that's not true Anyways i'm done <3
***I am in no way affiliated with team liquid, and do not represent them in any way, i'm simply chiming in my opinion***
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