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(Calling The Whole Community) - Creation of The Ultimate Rom - (The Community Rom)

Hey Plz read this a creation of a community rom you should be thinking what well:
I am thinking of the creation of the rom called "The Ultimate Rom" for G1/MT3G and hope it also moves onto newer phones as you can see the G1/MT3G is starting to fade as the newer phones begin to be born and because of this I believe we should make a community rom where not only the devs can join in but the community weather it be graphics to sounds I believe we all should be able to join in so I would like to get some help on making it come true I believe there should be a rom we as the community should be happy for that we all chipped in and made something truly amazing ^^
PS: And mods plz don't delete this for being in the Dev section I believe it is about Devs and I would like you to be part of this rom as well ^^
Hoping to start 4th of july so getting everyone ready to put stuff in or ready for it to start ^^
0o ill list down every single person no matter how big this gets up till july 4th and after july 4th and even testing is fine ^^
If it works or not at least we would had tried and at least even if we do fail we have gained knowledge, experience and had fun
A POLL WILL BE MADE TOMORROW SO THE COMMUNITY CAN CHOOSE WHAT THEY WANT ^^ AND ANY OTHER NEW ADDED STUFF THERE WILL BE A LIST TO ADD TO ^^

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xillius200 said:
Hey Plz read this a creation of a community rom you should be thinking what well:
I am thinking of the creation of the rom called "The Ultimate Rom" for G1/MT3G and hope it also moves onto newer phones as you can see the G1/MT3G is starting to fade as the newer phones begin to be born and because of this I believe we should make a community rom where not only the devs can join in but the community weather it be graphics to sounds I believe we all should be able to join in so I would like to get some help on making it come true I believe there should be a rom we as the community should be happy for that we all chipped in and made something truly amazing ^^
PS: And mods plz don't delete this for being in the Dev section I believe it is about Devs and I would like you to be part of this rom as well ^^
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OMG #FAIL haha j/k LOL, count me in of course

kingklick said:
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lol dude don't be a jerk i've had my fame with speedteam and zachattacks and xillius rom lol I think the community should get there chance ^^ and we need it while we can won't be long till g1/mt3g is gone we should make something to rememberer

xillius200 said:
lol dude don't be a jerk i've had my fame with speedteam and zachattacks and xillius rom lol I think the community should get there chance ^^ and we need it while we can won't be long till g1/mt3g is gone we should make something to rememberer
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It's funny how he always comes back to G1/Mytouch Forums Update his roms with already released things, renames them and then asks for money for a mytouch slide... He is using the community to get him new phones... Anyway back on subject
Got like 4 people now 5 almost

XxKOLOHExX said:
It's funny how he always comes back to G1/Mytouch Forums Update his roms with already released things, renames them and then asks for money for a mytouch slide... He is using the community to get him new phones... Anyway back on subject
Got like 4 people now 5 almost
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yep lol hopefully as much as possible ^^

XxKOLOHExX said:
It's funny how he always comes back to G1/Mytouch Forums Update his roms with already released things, renames them and then asks for money for a mytouch slide... He is using the community to get him new phones...
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(giggles)
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I can't help..but I'll test anything that pops off

Please. We've been down this road before. When the glory and satisfaction of solo or small team ROMs isn't in play, development suffers. We need creative individuals pushing the limits to advance the scene, and unless they have their name on the ROM, things will slow down. This goes for life (free enterprise vs. socialism) and ROM dev.
Also, keep in mind, all the ROMs are community! There are thousands of man-hours of work already in every aspect of Android. The ROMs we see build on all that. This is a solution in search of a problem.

ytj87 said:
Please. We've been down this road before. When the glory and satisfaction of solo or small team ROMs isn't in play, development suffers. We need creative individuals pushing the limits to advance the scene, and unless they have their name on the ROM, things will slow down. This goes for life (free enterprise vs. socialism) and ROM dev.
Also, keep in mind, all the ROMs are community! There are thousands of man-hours of work already in every aspect of Android. The ROMs we see build on all that. This is a solution in search of a problem.
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lol I have created over 7 successful roms some in a small team others in a big team lol and it worked out xD and I would disagree check I left a bit ago about a month if that lol and no everyone should get a chance not just one person thats just selfish also I think if one big rom is made we can keep some G1/MT3G users for longer lol we need something new and exciting can't you see that ^^ well whatever you say I will try and continue this IDK if it will work or not THE THING IS EVERYONE WOULD HAVE FUN TRYING ^^

If you are serious about this, I think it's a dumb idea. The best thing about having a rooted Android phone is that you can choose whatever ROM suits you.
Personally, I want a fast Donut ROM. I don't care for all the extra bells and whistles in SuperD/CM4/etc and I don't have any interest in running an Eclair ROM as I don't think they perform well enough on our phones. Given the popularity of OpenEclair/SuperE/CM5, there are obviously other people who feel differently and I expect a vast number of people here wouldn't switch back to Donut if you paid them.
There will never be "The Ultimate ROM" because everyone's needs and wants are different. Just let devs make what they will and let users choose what they want.

i have very little experience in the overall creation of the rom, however i am very willing to learn more and would jump at the opportunity to be of any help, if someone was willing to show me a little bit of how this all works i am positive i can be of great help.

To me I could care less about credit.... I rather help where I can then be selfish... Knowledge isn't a competition, it is a struggle as a group I would love to learn what I don't and Help others where I can Ego is the one thing that could destroy this project ...

SpeedTeam is there whenever you need us....Right K =)

Super Jamie said:
If you are serious about this, I think it's a dumb idea. The best thing about having a rooted Android phone is that you can choose whatever ROM suits you.
Personally, I want a fast Donut ROM. I don't care for all the extra bells and whistles in SuperD/CM4/etc and I don't have any interest in running an Eclair ROM as I don't think they perform well enough on our phones. Given the popularity of OpenEclair/SuperE/CM5, there are obviously other people who feel differently and I expect a vast number of people here wouldn't switch back to Donut if you paid them.
There will never be "The Ultimate ROM" because everyone's needs and wants are different. Just let devs make what they will and let users choose what they want.
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with code much is possible you can change your rom by the tick of a button or tap of a button wysie has shown us this and cyan making a rom possible to suite most of course not all people by some options and extra features of choice can be done ^^

christiansantana51 said:
SpeedTeam is there whenever you need us....Right K =)
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Agreed LMFAO but isn't he in SpeedTeam lmfao **SPEEDTEAM FORCES ACTIVATE!*** LMFAO!

XxKOLOHExX said:
To me I could care less about credit.... I rather help where I can then be selfish... Knowledge isn't a competition, it is a struggle as a group I would love to learn what I don't and Help others where I can Ego is the one thing that could destroy this project ...
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and what K said is exactly right also android was opensource as a group project so are you saying that because android was a group project it was a fail I think not

xillius200 said:
Hey Plz read this a creation of a community rom you should be thinking what well:
I am thinking of the creation of the rom called "The Ultimate Rom" for G1/MT3G and hope it also moves onto newer phones as you can see the G1/MT3G is starting to fade as the newer phones begin to be born and because of this I believe we should make a community rom where not only the devs can join in but the community weather it be graphics to sounds I believe we all should be able to join in so I would like to get some help on making it come true I believe there should be a rom we as the community should be happy for that we all chipped in and made something truly amazing ^^
PS: And mods plz don't delete this for being in the Dev section I believe it is about Devs and I would like you to be part of this rom as well ^^
Hoping to start 4th of july so getting everyone ready to put stuff in or ready for it to start ^^
0o ill list down every single person no matter how big this gets up till july 4th and after july 4th and even testing is fine ^^
If it works or not at least we would had tried and at least even if we do fail we have gained knowledge, experience and had fun
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I swear, when I read this, it sounded like you died from lack of oxygen at the end. Please, for the sake of readers, could you use punctuation? Throw a few commas and periods in there.
As for the idea, I would flash a beta version or two, but I can't see this working out as well as some might hope. There will always be disagreements. Some people want 2.1, others, 1.6. Some like SenseUI, and others don't. Words like "perfect" and "ultimate" are very subjective to whoever reads them.
Good idea, probably very hard to execute. Good luck.

NViouz said:
I swear, when I read this, it sounded like you died from lack of oxygen at the end. Please, for the sake of readers, could you use punctuation? Throw a few commas and periods in there.
As for the idea, I would flash a beta version or two, but I can't see this working out as well as some might hope. There will always be disagreements. Some people want 2.1, others, 1.6. Some like SenseUI, and others don't. Words like "perfect" and "ultimate" are very subjective to whoever reads them.
Good idea, probably very hard to execute. Good luck.
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lol thanks dude ^^ hopefully there must someway to make a script for downgrade and upgrade without losing data etc. I wish it is possible lol well something good may come of this rom ^^

I'd be willing to help out aesthetically.

Axiom ROM

Has the Axiom ROM's development been stopped? I see the thread is now closed.
And I can't seem to find the download link to the Axiom version 2.8 version anywhere...

saprydion said:
Has the Axiom ROM's development been stopped? I see the thread is now closed.
And I can't seem to find the download link to the Axiom version 2.8 version anywhere...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1863900

saprydion said:
Has the Axiom ROM's development been stopped? I see the thread is now closed.
And I can't seem to find the download link to the Axiom version 2.8 version anywhere...
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Yeah they have stopped =( hate to see it stop it was such a great rom!!!

saprydion said:
Has the Axiom ROM's development been stopped? I see the thread is now closed.
And I can't seem to find the download link to the Axiom version 2.8 version anywhere...
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Yea, development has stopped. In twitter it was announced.
Sent from my HTC One S using Tapatalk 2

oh man...and I just got my One S two days ago!

saprydion said:
oh man...and I just got my One S two days ago!
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Check out ViperOneS.
Great ROM.

abracadabra11 said:
Check out ViperOneS.
Great ROM.
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Running Viper Rom now. Quite good.
But with Axiom gone, it seems like Viper Rom is the only game in town....for me at least, because I like de-Sensed ROMs
Thanks!

eminembdg said:
Yea, development has stopped. In twitter it was announced.
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Ok, why?
This was the last working T-Mobile ROM, it seems. Viper doesn't have WiFi calling, I am not sure if anything does. Why the heck did they close the thread and take down all download links?

Too many people complaining, there were also some bugs but I think over time axiom could have evolved into something better, its not the end though, energy ROM is still going and that is just as good
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ridearoundsolo said:
Too many people complaining, there were also some bugs but I think over time axiom could have evolved into something better, its not the end though, energy ROM is still going and that is just as good
Sent from my HTC One S using xda app-developers app
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I'm not going to comment further on this other than to say this guy is incorrect and certainly is in no position to speak for the team.

Energy rom is very nice, if you guys need wifi calling.
And nothing huge was wrong with the last version of axiom, the sense version anyways.
Sent from my HTC One S using xda premium

Aww. That sucks. I love de-sensed ROMs that keep the Sense camera. Can we at least have a download link for the latest Sense-less ROM? Or someone can PM it to me, thats ok

Behold_this said:
I'm not going to comment further on this other than to say this guy is incorrect and certainly is in no position to speak for the team.
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Well, you are in a position to speak for the team. Do you think leaving one's users hanging without any warning or explanation is something a developer should ever do? I know from own experience that ROM development is hard work, and you were doing it for free. However, your ROM had a following, people were mostly very happy, you promised some future. Than out of the blue - boom! No more Axiom S! Gone! No explanation, no warning, no clarification - nothing! Closed the thread, turned off the lights, went home.
I see Mike is already hacking SGIII. That's cool, but you don't just stick a finger at your users, and go find another set of users. At the very least you owe them an explanation where you are going and why.

porkupan said:
Well, you are in a position to speak for the team. Do you think leaving one's users hanging without any warning or explanation is something a developer should ever do? I know from own experience that ROM development is hard work, and you were doing it for free. However, your ROM had a following, people were mostly very happy, you promised some future. Than out of the blue - boom! No more Axiom S! Gone! No explanation, no warning, no clarification - nothing! Closed the thread, turned off the lights, went home.
I see Mike is already hacking SGIII. That's cool, but you don't just stick a finger at your users, and go find another set of users. At the very least you owe them an explanation where you are going and why.
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Last time I checked we didn't charge for our work and so we owe you nothing.

Behold_this said:
I'm not going to comment further on this other than to say this guy is incorrect and certainly is in no position to speak for the team.
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Not speaking for anyone...but the Axiom team did post on Twitter that they were ceasing development due to hate mail...probably what he meant when he referred to complaining.
"Development of Axiom ROMs has ceased. After much thought, tons of hate mail & other nonsense, we've come to the conclusion it's not worth it"-Axiom website/Twitter

I Am? I didn't know I was hacking the SGS3. Lol
Here's the thing...Axiom ROMs was never.....ever in my plans. Honestly how it started was Zylith and Zydroid. Zylith got busy so I picked up the slack and did more. Keep in mind I was doing this because this is what I wanted in a ROM and just happened to share it with the community, because it was Zylith's to begin with.
Personally, I got tired of the lack of support for HTC phones as of late. I originally was going to get a SGS3 over the One S, but decided not to wait for its release. Now I'm where I wanted to be originally. I'm sorry if you feel like I turned my back....AXSuite was open-sourced.....all that was needed now was a stock 1.84 base and those tweaks to be dropped right in...and BOOM, Axiom ROM again.
Things are rather busy in my life right now.....How? Well....I'm married for one.....got a kid on the way for two, getting into real estate for three, and Apple just did a product release which me, being a Tech Support Advisor for them....have to work much more hours.....which is already cutting away the time i had before.
Don't lash out at the rest of the team because of the unhappiness or disappointment you've experienced with production of a ROM ceased. Everyone has a brain and can learn this stuff people! You depend so much on people like us to do the work, why not learn it instead of getting pissed off because we choose personal lives over Android?
Last I checked....no one pays my bills, no even paid to use Axiom ROMs.....so we're not obligated to discussing anything really.
Don't mean to sound like a asshole, but I'm the only one who gives a damn about my personal life, no one else in here does. I gotta llok out for my best interest....so it is what it is. As for me doing work on the SGS3....not gonna happen. I won't be doing any ROMs for it, I'm much to busy to maintain a public release!
Stop with the PMs, stop with the frustration. AXSuite is open-sourced and for public use. Learn how to make a ROM and get it running. The whole reason we open-sourced it in the first place was to inspire others that want to learn how to do it, to actually do it!
Hate me or love me guys, I had to say what I needed to say. Not trying to be no douche or inconsiderate....I felt you guys deserved at least a reason as to why things happened the way they have....Nothing personal against anyone....but I gotta look out for me and my family and thats time that I can't spend on Android for now....
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tgtoys said:
Not speaking for anyone...but the Axiom team did post on Twitter that they were ceasing development due to hate mail...probably what he meant when he referred to complaining.
"Development of Axiom ROMs has ceased. After much thought, tons of hate mail & other nonsense, we've come to the conclusion it's not worth it"-Axiom website/Twitter
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Thanks for clarifying that....
Some of the team members lost interest because of how things started to turn out... People calling us kangs of Venom tweaks etc etc....you know the ordeal. We decided it's not fun anymore, not worth it either. We did it for free....asked for nothing in return. Seeing you all happy was enough for us. But the hate mail along with what's stated above....just killed the motivation....
Don't hate us for it, look at the users of other One S ROMs....not saying names....they're the ones who discouraged us. Imagine catching BS from people you don't know for you contributing something you expect nothing in return from....we're all human...

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I Am? I didn't know I was hacking the SGS3. Lol
Here's the thing...Axiom ROMs was never.....ever in my plans. Honestly how it started was Zylith and Zydroid. Zylith got busy so I picked up the slack and did more. Keep in mind I was doing this because this is what I wanted in a ROM and just happened to share it with the community, because it was Zylith's to begin with.
Personally, I got tired of the lack of support for HTC phones as of late. I originally was going to get a SGS3 over the One S, but decided not to wait for its release. Now I'm where I wanted to be originally. I'm sorry if you feel like I turned my back....AXSuite was open-sourced.....all that was needed now was a stock 1.84 base and those tweaks to be dropped right in...and BOOM, Axiom ROM again.
Things are rather busy in my life right now.....How? Well....I'm married for one.....got a kid on the way for two, getting into real estate for three, and Apple just did a product release which me, being a Tech Support Advisor for them....have to work much more hours.....which is already cutting away the time i had before.
Don't lash out at the rest of the team because of the unhappiness or disappointment you've experienced with production of a ROM ceased. Everyone has a brain and can learn this stuff people! You depend so much on people like us to do the work, why not learn it instead of getting pissed off because we choose personal lives over Android?
Last I checked....no one pays my bills, no even paid to use Axiom ROMs.....so we're not obligated to discussing anything really.
Don't mean to sound like a asshole, but I'm the only one who gives a damn about my personal life, no one else in here does. I gotta llok out for my best interest....so it is what it is. As for me doing work on the SGS3....not gonna happen. I won't be doing any ROMs for it, I'm much to busy to maintain a public release!
Stop with the PMs, stop with the frustration. AXSuite is open-sourced and for public use. Learn how to make a ROM and get it running. The whole reason we open-sourced it in the first place was to inspire others that want to learn how to do it, to actually do it!
Hate me or love me guys, I had to say what I needed to say. Not trying to be no douche or inconsiderate....I felt you guys deserved at least a reason as to why things happened the way they have....Nothing personal against anyone....but I gotta look out for me and my family and thats time that I can't spend on Android for now....
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By all means man, family comes first. Thank you (and your team) for the hard work that you put into the rom. It is very much appreciated. I myself would love to get to a level where I could develop, rather for myself or public, but between work, kids, and life, it would never happen, thank you for using the little free time you have to help us. The fact that you put as much time and dedication into the work you did is truly a source of charity for everyone who used your roms, or any of the information you provided. I'm sorry that you had to deal with hate mail and complainers. Too many people out there feel they are 'owed' something, and don't get the fact that what you do is out of kindness and hobby, and not something that you are obligated to do.
Take care, congrats on the upcoming baby, and good luck.
...oh, and sorry about all the hate mail you're going to get at work for the lack luster iPhone 5

tgtoys said:
Not speaking for anyone...but the Axiom team did post on Twitter that they were ceasing development due to hate mail...probably what he meant when he referred to complaining.
"Development of Axiom ROMs has ceased. After much thought, tons of hate mail & other nonsense, we've come to the conclusion it's not worth it"-Axiom website/Twitter
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Here are the key parts being over looked, highlighted in bold: Development of Axiom ROMs has ceased. After much thought, tons of hate mail & other nonsense, we've come to the conclusion it's not worth it". By the way I don't need anyone to remind me what I WROTE on Twitter. And one last thing the hate mail wasn't from our users!

tgtoys said:
By all means man, family comes first. Thank you (and your team) for the hard work that you put into the rom. It is very much appreciated. I myself would love to get to a level where I could develop, rather for myself or public, but between work, kids, and life, it would never happen, thank you for using the little free time you have to help us. The fact that you put as much time and dedication into the work you did is truly a source of charity for everyone who used your roms, or any of the information you provided. I'm sorry that you had to deal with hate mail and complainers. Too many people out there feel they are 'owed' something, and don't get the fact that what you do is out of kindness and hobby, and not something that you are obligated to do.
Take care, congrats on the upcoming baby, and good luck.
...oh, and sorry about all the hate mail you're going to get at work for the lack luster iPhone 5
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I can't even begin to think how disappointed some iPhone users are.....nothing drastic has changed....innovation is dead! PLUS Samsung and HTC are gonna sue for LTE patent infringements lol....i may need to look for another job lol j/k

itsmikeramsay said:
I can't even begin to think how disappointed some iPhone users are.....nothing drastic has changed....innovation is dead! PLUS Samsung and HTC are gonna sue for LTE patent infringements lol....i may need to look for another job lol j/k
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Haha...wish Google had a patent on Chrome-to-Phone/Chrome sync...iCloud Tabs..really? Who came up with that one

OnePlus 6 Development Rate

Hey guys,
Just curious as this is the first time I've been around for a new device release and I'm used to getting a device long after developers have had them for quite a while.
Not that I'm complaining - but is this the usual rate of development for a new device?
Really appreciate all the great work you guys do! If I can help with anything let me know

silent08 said:
Hey guys,
Just curious as this is the first time I've been around for a new device release and I'm used to getting a device long after developers have had them for quite a while.
Not that I'm complaining - but is this the usual rate of development for a new device?
Really appreciate all the great work you guys do! If I can help with anything let me know
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Was just mentioning this is Telegram. I am aware of 4 kernels and 1 ROM being developed (not all yet available). I think with A/B partitions it's taking a little longer for development to start as we don't have an official TWRP yet (and I mean this in comparison to OP5) but if you're looking for a device with good developers support, you won't go wrong with the OP6.
Sent from my OnePlus6 using XDA Labs

it's barely been a full week since the first orders were delivered so come back in a month.

I would report your thread and have it locked before the lazy keyboard warrior nerds come around to argue with you. I tried to ask what stage of development we're in and of course it was immediately interpreted as demanding an exact timeline of when we'll have ROMs and crap. Had to report-to-lock my own thread because people were acting unbelievably childish. The funny thing is even the mod who responded to the report seemed to be sick of the users' crap on here.

I would say this isn't anything unusual given the challenges of developing for this specific device. Many phones go weeks or months before even getting root. OP is dev-friendly, of course, but the A/B partition issues and other things are slowing roll-out a bit.

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I would say this isn't anything unusual given the challenges of developing for this specific device. Many phones go weeks or months before even getting root. OP is dev-friendly, of course, but the A/B partition issues and other things are slowing roll-out a bit.
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Thanks being understanding
I'm definitely not demanding nor expecting - but am willing to help where I can.
Your post answers exactly all I wanted to know - just wanted the opinion of someone who has been around a few new device forums to see what is and isn't normal.
It looks to me (from your post) like development is moving along pretty nicely then considering how new the device is/new challenges involved.
Again really appreciate the non confrontational reply.

rav101 said:
Was just mentioning this is Telegram. I am aware of 4 kernels and 1 ROM being developed (not all yet available). I think with A/B partitions it's taking a little longer for development to start as we don't have an official TWRP yet (and I mean this in comparison to OP5) but if you're looking for a device with good developers support, you won't go wrong with the OP6.
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I missed your reply initially! Really informative as well thank you
What 4 kernels are those? I know of Chewie/CleanSlate and Franken kernel?
Also if you don't mind me asking what ROM do you know of?

TheNetwork said:
I would report your thread and have it locked before the lazy keyboard warrior nerds come around to argue with you. I tried to ask what stage of development we're in and of course it was immediately interpreted as demanding an exact timeline of when we'll have ROMs and crap. Had to report-to-lock my own thread because people were acting unbelievably childish. The funny thing is even the mod who responded to the report seemed to be sick of the users' crap on here.
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Interesting! I hope people can quite clearly see I'm not expecting nor am I entitled to anything.
Just trying to gauge something I have no experience of from other people who have more experience.
Last phone I had was a OnePlus One... I got it many months after release due to the whole invite only thing and development was already pretty insane by the time I got one in my hands

silent08 said:
Thanks being understanding
I'm definitely not demanding nor expecting - but am willing to help where I can.
Your post answers exactly all I wanted to know - just wanted the opinion of someone who has been around a few new device forums to see what is and isn't normal.
It looks to me (from your post) like development is moving along pretty nicely then considering how new the device is/new challenges involved.
Again really appreciate the non confrontational reply.
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People can be testy about these kinds of questions because they are sometimes asked in a much more disrespectful/entitled tone.
To be honest, I think development is moving along pretty well, and certainly faster than what I'm used to from HTC phones (which are a different dev situation).

silent08 said:
I missed your reply initially! Really informative as well thank you
What 4 kernels are those? I know of Chewie/CleanSlate and Franken kernel?
Also if you don't mind me asking what ROM do you know of?
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Those three plus Flar. I keep an eye on GitHub and can see that he has created a OP6 repo though it was empty last time I looked.
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Concerning the ROM development after so many months

Hello to all.
First, let me say that I am opening this thread with good attitude and in no way I disrespect the hard work from the guys that provide ROMS for our device. But I need to point out a few things in short.
My impression over the months with this device has been a mix of feelings.
I am sorry if I am missing crucial stuff that are behind the doors of development but my feeling as a member in XDA over so many years, is that Mi A1 developers lack seriously in communication and teamwork.
I am tired lately to see Pie ROMS going from bad to worse and crucial functions of the phone to go into the bug list.
Fingerprint - LTE bands - Playstore safety integrity and many more that everyone can read all over the place.
I have also noticed that most devs want to showoff more on the appearance side of the phone rather than stability-battery life and solid most used apps function.
95% of the users want 4 things mostly and these are the ones to focus
1) no battery drain
2) a decent camera app with no problems since hardware delivers
3) fingerprint functionality
4) other sensors working with no conflicts
I just want to point out the lack of communication and teamwork over serious matters. You solve these first then you customize ROMS to the needs you want to cover.
So many bugged ROMS and literally 0 bug-free rom.
Please be thorough on the discussion and don't flame over devs work. Just discuss how we can solve the problems and get finally a decent bug-free ROM.

Take this crap out

I would like to see a non-dev try to make a ROM and hear this feedback and see how they react to it.

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I would like to see a non-dev try to make a ROM and hear this feedback and see how they react to it.
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dunno why you take it the hard way. I have expressed my gratitude for ROM devs and I always appreciate your hard work and give feedback whenever I can.
your reply is showing disgrace to average users. Ok so we are not into developing ROMS. we are just testing and using your efforts. why does that have to be something to point out in a bad way?
I am just pointing out that we have so many ROM releases every 2-3 weeks and the results are buggier and buggier ROMS.
You clearly see that Pie stage has brought to all devs problems. Instead of releasing every 2 weeks ROMS individually , why don't you try to discuss together the main problems, find solutions and then try to implement the solutions to your ROMS.
Instead of teamwork over serious bugs, you just focus each on your own work with minor fixes over different builds and every Xiaomi update refreshes the same problems again and again.

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Would you help out if someone needed your expertise?

Something to add that worries me more.

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dunno why you take it the hard way. I have expressed my gratitude for ROM devs and I always appreciate your hard work and give feedback whenever I can.
your reply is showing disgrace to average users. Ok so we are not into developing ROMS. we are just testing and using your efforts. why does that have to be something to point out in a bad way?
I am just pointing out that we have so many ROM releases every 2-3 weeks and the results are buggier and buggier ROMS.
You clearly see that Pie stage has brought to all devs problems. Instead of releasing every 2 weeks ROMS individually , why don't you try to discuss together the main problems, find solutions and then try to implement the solutions to your ROMS.
Instead of teamwork over serious bugs, you just focus each on your own work with minor fixes over different builds and every Xiaomi update refreshes the same problems again and again.
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See the problem here is other devs don't want to cooperate. Me, Abhi and Moun are actually conversing regarding how to fix the bugs. Flex and Khusika help out too but they're too busy at times. Other devs keep their resources closed and don't share device trees which in turn gives out more bugs instead of allowing all ROMs to have similar fixes altogether. I'm not replying in a bad light. I'm actually curious what a non-dev would react to all complaints knowing other devs wouldn't help out and cooperate.
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I answer mostly on Telegram and yes, I give assistance to people asking for help when I have the time.

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See the problem here is other devs don't want to cooperate. Me, Abhi and Moun are actually conversing regarding how to fix the bugs. Flex and Khusika help out too but they're too busy at times. Other devs keep their resources closed and don't share device trees which in turn gives out more bugs instead of allowing all ROMs to have similar fixes altogether. I'm not replying in a bad light. I'm actually curious what a non-dev would react to all complaints knowing other devs wouldn't help out and cooperate.
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this is exactly why this thread has started.
I find the lack of cooperation has a direct impact on the community results and it clearly shows as I stated above. If you guys think you have to say something publicly about others compromising your work you should do it. The community has eyes and sees which devs really try to help the community and which devs are clearly for their own profit.
can you also comment on the picture I attached on previous post?

greekfragma said:
this is exactly why this thread has started.
I find the lack of cooperation has a direct impact on the community results and it clearly shows as I stated above. If you guys think you have to say something publicly about others compromising your work you should do it. The community has eyes and sees which devs really try to help the community and which devs are clearly for their own profit.
can you also comment on the picture I attached on previous post?
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I don't wanna mention names as I can no longer speak regarding the issues between me and some other developer in the community. All I can say right now is I'm taking over Official Pixel Experience while Abhi gets his Mi A1's motherboard replaced.

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greekfragma said:
this is exactly why this thread has started.
I find the lack of cooperation has a direct impact on the community results and it clearly shows as I stated above. If you guys think you have to say something publicly about others compromising your work you should do it. The community has eyes and sees which devs really try to help the community and which devs are clearly for their own profit.
can you also comment on the picture I attached on previous post?
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There's surely some great and cooperative devs. I have had some kind of interaction with Maun, CosmicDan and flex who were really helpful along the way! I was just halfway through developing my own kernel! And then I had to cancel the project for my illness and lack of knowledge about development! And yes, I couldn't even setup a build environment myself! Maun sincerely helped me on that! When I was successful building 2-3 revision then I got the mental illness along with physical illness! So, although I had the passion of learning and developing Android things, I had to abandon my project! At least for the time being! But there's another reason behind it! There's so much advanced kernels already there! I am even seeing 4.9s (I worked on the 3.18s)! So why I would release another ill-developed/built kernel?!? So I kept it to myself!
But the thing is despite being genius and genuinely helpful devs, they can't always be that helpful! As they got other things in life!
But what you and joey pointed out is very disappointed thing! It always doesn't need to all about yourself (those devs you are talking about) like most of this post of mine!
But if you leave them behind, you'll find that Xiaomi is trying to cause every possible problem as they always do!
So, adapting to these changes eventually takes time! I myself needed approximately one and a half month just to add spectrum support even with help! Couldn't even release that version for some anomaly and random reboots!
But I am not a real developer! Never claimed to be!
But making the source closed?!? That's too far! I have no idea what they are trying to do!
BTW, I was hauling for the front camera RAW capture bug on Oreo! (And that's the reason behind my working for a kernel! I knew it's stupid and premature!) But someone told me it's not possible for a mid range phone! But now in Pie, it can capture RAW images with the front camera on every camera2 apps! First I noticed on Serjo87 build! (That's the first GCam app I used on Pie) And I thought it was Serjo87 who could make it! But soon I realized that every other apps can do the same!
So the summary of the story is, they are too focused on their own things despite being helpful or they are not willing to share their fixes simply because they don't want to or is it because can't communicate for their own business!
But again, closing the sources is just...
Even some members/devs will focus and complain about my ending every sentence with an exclamation (!) rather than focusing on the bugs causing constant problems to the userbase!

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BTW, I was hauling for the front camera RAW capture bug on Oreo! (And that's the reason behind my working for a kernel! I knew it's stupid and premature!) But someone told me it's not possible for a mid range phone! But now in Pie, it can capture RAW images with the front camera on every camera2 apps! First I noticed on Serjo87 build! (That's the first GCam app I used on Pie) And I thought it was Serjo87 who could make it! But soon I realized that every other apps can do the same!
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Can other raw camera app can capture raw with front cam in 9? Other than gcam? Without green tint?

In my opinion porting 4.9 Kernel to Mi A1 was a big and remarkable success, but it has introduced more bugs to fix.
I don't see a huge difference in terms of performance and battery life.
Newer custom ROMs are on 4.9 kernel, so I had to lose ALL apps using HAL1 camera (mainly stock camera).
I'd like to see a fully customizable ROM with 3.18 Kernel and bug-free, but i don't think it's available at this moment.
Just my 2 cents.

sipollo said:
In my opinion porting 4.9 Kernel to Mi A1 was a big and remarkable success, but it has introduced more bugs to fix.
I don't see a huge difference in terms of performance and battery life.
Newer custom ROMs are on 4.9 kernel, so I had to lose ALL apps using HAL1 camera (mainly stock camera).
I'd like to see a fully customizable ROM with 3.18 Kernel and bug-free, but i don't think it's available at this moment.
Just my 2 cents.
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This. Despite all the ROM threads, only 1 or 2 Pie ROM's can be used as daily drivers. Almost all the 4.9 ROM's need latest FW which is breaking features like VoLTE, Fingerprint etc (This is due to Xiaomi's fault and I know that too). I was more than satisfied with the Oreo ROM's but I haven't been able to go back after using Pie. From all the ROM's I have flashed only Bootleggers Pie ROM, which has some bugs which are tolerable, and Revenge OS Pie (which I'm using right now, but it lacks customizations) are completely stable (on November Firmware).
I'm just waiting for Xiaomi to fix the mess they have caused so I can settle on a 4.9 kernel ROM. I don't care about HAL1, I only use GCam.

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Open Camera and it's forks are confirmed!
GCam 5.x.x also confirmed!
GCam 6.x.x confirmed but has green tint on of them!
BTW, you may know it, GCam 5.x.x don't have green tint on front cam! I use Arnova and fu24 versions!

I am gonna repost this here with the permission of @joeyhuab
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=78681040&postcount=132
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Just a heads up. PE team has removed Tissot Pie from the official list of devices. Their team is really dedicated to dropping Tissot support due to Saksham having Abhi kicked from PE Maintainers group due to having a broken device while Saksham himself no longer has a Mi A1.
I don't really see why Abhinav being kicked was a proper thing to do as he will still have his Tissot repaired while the guy that got him kicked from the PE maintainers group asks for donations to "start" development on another device (daisy/fajita).
I'm not one to comment on this whole thing but it's really getting out of hand and I no longer want to be associated with their dev team until this debacle is resolved. I will stick to building unofficial builds while Official status for Tissot is up in the air as we really don't know what Jhenrique and friends want to decide to do.
I don't want any part of the official status any longer after what they did to Abhinav.
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what a mess

Tissot lost another developer. I quit.

It's not something that could be remedied easily. Tissot developers going away from this simply means that not everything is as good as it might look. Despite some success with 4.9 kernel, some devs are having a hard time fixing some issues, which might seem to be obvious. That for sure brings anxiety and frustration for one, since after so much time being able to fix one really small issue (looking from a practical standpoint) brings dissapointment. I don't complain, since I no longer develop anything, reason being for that is simple - no time left to spare for that. Maybe one day I'll get to that, once I settle down some of my personal concerns, which are holding me back.
I respect every developer doing this job for a better cause and contributing to others, because they want it so. And those, who continously complain about everything shouldn't even be here in the first place. Nothing is perfect, ever. If someone is willing to do something here, rather than complain about everything - do something useful, contribute in some way or another, it's just the way I got into development, being totally green and unaware of so many things. Starting from small steps and going up with every minute ticking. Live and learn.

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Tissot lost another developer. I quit.
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@joeyhuab I am pretty sad about your decision but I have to respect it.
If it is possible to give us some information of what went wrong and you also decided to quit. Only the facts and just the facts. No intention to argue.
I am not sure if there is anyone out there willing to continue your efforts.
If there is no hope I will completely understand and will no further comment on this thread. It just seems kinda weird since this device had so much potential on hardware specs and Pie releases were very impressive until latest month.
I hope for the best in the near future and feel free to contact me through private messages if you want to discuss further.

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@joeyhuab I am pretty sad about your decision but I have to respect it.
If it is possible to give us some information of what went wrong and you also decided to quit. Only the facts and just the facts. No intention to argue.
I am not sure if there is anyone out there willing to continue your efforts.
If there is no hope I will completely understand and will no further comment on this thread. It just seems kinda weird since this device had so much potential on hardware specs and Pie releases were very impressive until latest month.
I hope for the best in the near future and feel free to contact me through private messages if you want to discuss further.
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One guy ruined it for me. That's all I can comment.

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One guy ruined it for me. That's all I can comment.
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I understand your decision. It is really hard to feel that such a capable phone is being dropped from PE support.I firstly flashed the rom when Saksham was the dev of PE. I liked it so much, I could not go to stock ever again.But it feels like a punch to see 3 devs dropping update support, and letting a capable phone with thousands of people flashing it drop in the void. Now I need to go back to stock, worse version of Android..It's my only option because I'm scared to flash another custom rom on my non-trebelized Tissot.
Your updates were so fast, felt stable and with necessary features.It really turned a Tissot into Pixel 3.
I feel sad for this mess that happened throughout 4 months.I never expected such a good dev like you leaving tissot, but it's your decision and I can't change it.
How to return to Xiaomi stock android 9.0 (no firmware flashed in TWRP with PE rom, no treble, bootloader unlocked)?
Goodbye, Pixel Experience....It felt so good to have a Pixel 3 in my hands, but it was suddenly dropped into void....
You will always remain in my heart, 16th january 2019 build, you will always remain in my mind, devs, for your great work throughout those 4 beautiful months.
Thank you...

General Nameless seems to have returned. Let's not have a repeat of last time. Read comments, ask for help, be respectful and thankful.

Ultra Mega Edit... Edit: Nameless appears to be back. As to not have a repeat of last time, I am going to say something that most of you will reply to with "yeah, duh."
If you need help with any ROM (and you read all the comments) just ask in the thread of said project. SO many great people here are always willing to help others. Just be respectful.
Remember, maintainers aren't in this for the money (but please feel free to donate to the projects you feel bring value to your life) so keep that in mind, if you ever feel like you are losing your composure/ ability to act like an adult.
You can criticize respectfully and disagree respectfully, but there's never a need to be rude here. We're all here for the same reason and lucky to have so many developers offering us options beyond OOS.
Even if you donate, that doesn't give you the right to treat anyone like they "owe you." People like that are the same type of jerks that treat service industry employees sub-par (and everyone thinks people that do that are a-holes, don't make anyone think you are an a-hole.)
Now let's all kiss and enjoy all the wonderful ROM options in the OP9 scene at this moment.
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Edit: this isn't a call-out to harass ANYONE. it's just a ROM. let's just talk like adults? Yeah?
Also, added photos in case it gets nuked or buried by newer posts and hard to find.
Lastly, This is no judgement against staff doing what a user requested with their own thread.
In the end, The Maintainer can do or decide not to do whatever they feel.
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I guess this can be a place for current Nameless OS users can come and discuss their potential replacements or any assistance they may need.
I updated both back to back OTA's last night and it seems to be functional, but with him more concerned about closing the thread and having it locked than any communication on why, I fear there may be issues that suggest anyone on nameless should get on anything else ASAP.
loved the ROM but this move is a little beyond the pale.

As for ROM replacements, I havent a clue. I am not looking into it today. My only "must have" is Google Phone with AI call screening. I recently found a moded apk install of it that doesn't even require a magisk module or messing with google services cache.
I have to scan it with hybrid analysis, virus total and maybe look through Alien Vault to assure its safe. After that, I would be more than happy sharing its info here.
I also know i dont want to go back to OOS or just Lineage itself. I see several options and will definitely be checking them out on a less busy day.
Hope everyone is doing well.

Part of the messages and one of the reasons, for anyone wondering.
Some people just can't hold it back. There was an issue with a build that made some people factory reset, setup their device again, so they got angry, directly in the dev's chat...Bo-ho.

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Part of the messages and one of the reasons, for anyone wondering.
Some people just can't hold it back. There was an issue with a build that made some people factory reset, setup their device again, so they go angry...Bo-ho.
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So just newer people complaining about how the information about C62 requirement was handled?
I agree, the information could have been communicated a bit better BUT, there was at least a month long/5 pages of people discussing it, helping with precise requirements and details to assure a functional deployment.
I even wrote a whole how to based on the information smarter people helped me figure out in previous posts.
in the end, the person was doing us a favor for free, and they probably felt they were being preached to and complained at more than thanked / tipped.
I see both sides, but hope everyone agrees Chandu has never and will never owe us anything, regardless how the ending of support makes you feel. If anything, I fear this community, including myself, should have tried to show more appreciation and bring up concerns a little more elegantly. Maybe I'm wrong on that, but it's what I feel at this moment.
Thanks for the insight @ekin_strops

At least i wasn't ignored. Insulted, but not ignored. Gotta look on the bright side.
im on CrDroid, lets you manage your own GApps with Nik. you will need to flash 3 newer btfo, vendor_boot and vendor images, but its pretty easy.
Just follow the how-to.

It's disappointing. I was so excited to see new updates for this ROM. Since it was the only one for the 9 that has a lot of customization..
I'm going to wait on this ROM for a month or two before trying something else.. I just hope the 9 isn't dead for custom ROM scene because I bought this phone purely for modding purposes. Might have to go back to my OnePlus nord.

Ill preface this by saying, they didn't owe us anything and can do whatever they please, but with that being said, they had subpar communication skills regarding updates and the requirements to carry them out. if it wernt for other users, i wouldn't have got up and running.
Also the last build had serious issues with locking/unlocking and battery drain issues. Before the comment from ekin above, i really bet on them just quitting for being way over their head. Not technically, they are obviously more than capable and very much so, at that. i mean work load.
that paired with his temper tantrum fueled rage-quitting and calling a whole community "stupid retards" its fair to say users are better off on relying on something more stable (OS and Developer wise)

best rom out there is now gone

Such a shame really as it really was one of the best roms I tried along with CrDroid. I'm glad I'm not on it anymore. I had nothing but issues with the 62 firmware and had to go back to OOS. Luckily my apps were backed up via Swift Backup. I couldn't get any help myself.

Glad that I went back to OOS because it would suck to have to switch ROMs again. Honestly I understand why the dev got ticked off, it is ungrateful people like that which keep me from really diving into development (as I already had to deal with it with another community where I made the mistake of getting involved), but I mean I didn't really see anything all that bad, just some people expressing their frustration at having to reset their devices. It's a time consuming process and I would have had to vent somewhere about it too. What's more likely is that this is something that has been building up for awhile with 9 users and that was the straw that broke the camel's back.

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It's disappointing. I was so excited to see new updates for this ROM. Since it was the only one for the 9 that has a lot of customization..
I'm going to wait on this ROM for a month or two before trying something else.. I just hope the 9 isn't dead for custom ROM scene because I bought this phone purely for modding purposes. Might have to go back to my OnePlus nord.
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untestefeveryGlad that I went back to OOS because it would suck to have to switch ROMs again. Honestly I understand why the dev got ticked off, it is ungrateful people like that which keep me from really diving into development (as I already had to deal with it with another community where I made the mistake of getting involved), but I mean I didn't really see anything all that bad, just some people expressing their frustration at having to reset their devices. It's a time consuming process and I would have had to vent somewhere about it too. What's more likely is that this is something that has been building up for awhile with 9 users and that was the straw that broke the camel'I get it itoo, but at the same time, he was blind building OP9 this whole time and didnt make that clear in the announcement thread.
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if he would have made it clear to the userbase that his main support was OP9pro because that was the phone he and that OP9, im confident he wouldnt have got his feelsing hurt so much.
Hell, Im sure users would have volunteered to assist on testing with theirs.
****, if I knew that, I would have just followed the nameless pro thread , reported errors with the pretense and understanding he doesn't even have the same device to test on and people would have had. amkre "take it or leave it" approach. .
Instead. He built both while only having the means to test/dev properly for one and didnt feel that was information. The users might have benfieted from knowing about.
But again, that goes right back to poor communication skills. We got release notes and then not much else.
The thread is up, people can go see how little is there, how he didn't make it clear he wasnt even OP9 user, which is just Rich.
I'm sorry, but to go this long with a consistant issue commuicating important details and then rage quit when people ask for a little release etiquette is low. all he had to do was comminicate the facts of the situation, it makes his rage quit and childish name calling all that more pathetic.

This is how custom ROM development has always been. A new android version is released, and a lot of time is spent getting it to boot, then ironing out the issues and fixing bugs, features get ported / merged over from the previous android version, new bugs crop up, those get worked on, and right around the time it's almost perfect, a new android version drops, and the process starts over. Sometimes the cycle doesn't even make it that far and the next android version gets moved onto before the last versions issues got fixed. A custom rom will almost always have some small issue / quirk / bug that hasn't gotten worked out yet. This is also part of what makes it fun to me. I'm altering the way the device was intended to operate by the manufacturer many times against their wishes. That's why they typically try to prevent it. We're on the cutting edge, and dealing with the issues is part of it. I don't believe making 12L custom ROMs rock solid is going to happen, A13 is right there. It probably won't be long and we'll be running A13 ROMs, and y'all can whine about that. Resetting the phone has always been a part of this, sometimes unforseen, so have measures in place to prevent data loss.

Hey @applyscience, I am not sure if this thread is the best to ask you this.
I noticed you have been testing basically every ROM for our beloved OP9 and you ended up on PEX as the best all-around ROM so far.
My question is, I just noticed on the StagOS thread that the files had been updated but no comments from the DEV on that nor any mention on the OP9 on the official StagOS website doesn't even mention it.
Did you end up testing StagOS too?
I am a bit skeptical about testing the ROM because I can't find any further information on the development state of this ROM.

rodrigo_canada said:
Hey @applyscience, I am not sure if this thread is the best to ask you this.
I noticed you have been testing basically every ROM for our beloved OP9 and you ended up on PEX as the best all-around ROM so far.
My question is, I just noticed on the StagOS thread that the files had been updated but no comments from the DEV on that nor any mention on the OP9 on the official StagOS website doesn't even mention it.
Did you end up testing StagOS too?
I am a bit skeptical about testing the ROM because I can't find any further information on the development state of this ROM.
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I am currently on stag is 13 beta.
Came from pixel experience 12.1 crdroid and stag seem to be the best maintained on oneplus9 right now.
Stag 13 is barebones (hence beta) but its solid. Just lacks a little customization options, nothing bad for my use. Its honestly very impressive work by the maintainer
I took the 13 route because every 12.1 ROM had battery issues for me, even with debloating and kernel tweaks.
Have only been on 13 for half a day so I can't say, but the A13 added features makes me concerned it won't be a huge difference with battery.
Either way, I would def check stag or crdroid

Has anyone successfuly dirty flashed any other rom over nameless? I understand that it's not "advisable" and you won't get any support. But has any one successfuly booted an other rom over nameless?

derpfest, nameless, oneplus 9 just seems like the phone that attracts ragequitters

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derpfest, nameless, oneplus 9 just seems like the phone that attracts ragequitters
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Nameless came from derp, probably the same scene/people. Spent a few days as a lurker on the TGs and feel its honestly for the best that the bandid was ripped off sooner than later.
StagOS is killing it, on the 13 beta now and loving it. CrDroid is even keeping up with updates.
Both sides are better off now, I hope. I know OP9 is.

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OP9 support is back and thread will be reopened soon. I hope those toxic crybabies have learnt their lesson now.
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I thought it may come back and have been waiting...
keen to try it out again.
-lets hope that the people decide to keep it cool this time and don't piss off the Devs...

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OP9 support is back and thread will be reopened soon. I hope those toxic crybabies have learnt their lesson now.
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If the maintainer is still blind building OP9 off only having OP Pro, I'll just sit it out and monitor the situation.
Android 13 is screwy enough as is seeing as its in beta but its an enjoyable venture (and if hes still on A 12, which is probably a good idea, Im kinda hooked on A 13s process.)
Either way, great news. I'm just cautious.
Nameless was still the best until near the stoppage, would.love to see it rise back up to that point.

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9 pro and 9 are not that different. Everything working fine on 9. That maintainer is not some small dev. He brought oos cam to custom roms.
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i know, ive never downplayed his abilities or know how, the only criticism i ever have was how he quit last time and the lack of communication. That being said, NamelessOS was (i guess is? i don't have the latest yet) the best ROM and it was due to the decisions, additions and know how of the maintainer.
I mean, heck, Why do ya think I made this thread? Because losing Nameless meant something to me, as it did to a lot of us. Im just a "once bitten, twice shy" type of person. I hope its around for a while so I can move back to it and be stable and content again.