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[Q] Does Skype v2.1 Video work on the G2x?

I saw Skype updated to 2.1 today. My G2x is getting repaired so I can't try it, but has anyone been able to confirm if video works on this version?

No, It doesn't work. They have made it work with the Sensation and other phones release way after our G2X and the G2X is still not supported. What the hell? I am pissed as hell, I want to use it tooo...

That's really annoying. Skype is really the only reason I care about having a front-facing camera.

I know, Right?! Me too!

Pecata said:
No, It doesn't work. They have made it work with the Sensation and other phones release way after our G2X and the G2X is still not supported. What the hell? I am pissed as hell, I want to use it tooo...
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I've read several articles that says it has unofficial support for other devices, but I'm not seeing that option.
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C0dy said:
I've read several articles that says it has unofficial support for other devices, but I'm not seeing that option.
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I've tried all the unofficial builds and none of them work with the G2X. Can someone make it work please! I really need video call on my phone....

Would editing the build.prop help? How else would Skype know?

SaHiLzZ said:
Would editing the build.prop help? How else would Skype know?
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No idea, I hope someone can make it work on our phones as well. It seems only the Tegra 2 phones aren't working with it...don't know why

Pecata said:
No, It doesn't work. They have made it work with the Sensation and other phones release way after our G2X and the G2X is still not supported. What the hell? I am pissed as hell, I want to use it tooo...
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It's making me extremely mad. What video chat for phone-to-desktop actually works with this thing??? And now that Skype claims this will work on all 2.2+ devices, why is it not working on my 2.3.5 gb g2x?? Is it because the Tegra 2 doesn't have Neon support? Well neither does the Sensation's snapdragon... and that's officially supported. Come on, skype...

nucleartoasteroven said:
It's making me extremely mad. What video chat for phone-to-desktop actually works with this thing??? And now that Skype claims this will work on all 2.2+ devices, why is it not working on my 2.3.5 gb g2x?? Is it because the Tegra 2 doesn't have Neon support? Well neither does the Sensation's hummingbird... and that's officially supported. Come on, skype...
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I am using oovoo currently since there is nothing else that works for video chat from phone to desktop.
I am so mad at skype as well. I don't know what the big deal is.

Pecata said:
I am using oovoo currently since there is nothing else that works for video chat from phone to desktop.
I am so mad at skype as well. I don't know what the big deal is.
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I tried Oovoo a short while ago, and had trouble with sideways video or sometimes no video at all. Guess I'll be trying again. And Skype should at the very least quit advertising that this works on practically all froyo+ devices... They need G2x support, and they need it soon. Taking their time has already earned them the low rating they have (or had before this release, fixing for many people) in the market.

nucleartoasteroven said:
It's making me extremely mad. What video chat for phone-to-desktop actually works with this thing??? And now that Skype claims this will work on all 2.2+ devices, why is it not working on my 2.3.5 gb g2x?? Is it because the Tegra 2 doesn't have Neon support? Well neither does the Sensation's hummingbird... and that's officially supported. Come on, skype...
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The sensation's hummingbird does actually have Neon. Google sensation, hummingbird, neon, and you should see it. I always worry about posting links to outside of the forum, but it's easy to see.
They do claim it'll only work on 2.2+ devices with neon capabilities... I'm no electrical engineer or dev so I have no idea why both gtalk video and skype need it but they do.
Sadly it means it's not as easy as a build.prop fix. One day... or I'll just get a phone with tegra 3 when that comes along which has neon support haha.

Danishswag said:
The sensation's hummingbird does actually have Neon. Google sensation, hummingbird, neon, and you should see it. I always worry about posting links to outside of the forum, but it's easy to see.
They do claim it'll only work on 2.2+ devices with neon capabilities... I'm no electrical engineer or dev so I have no idea why both gtalk video and skype need it but they do.
Sadly it means it's not as easy as a build.prop fix. One day... or I'll just get a phone with tegra 3 when that comes along which has neon support haha.
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Hmm, interesting. I remember reading somewhere on XDA that "Our friends over at the Sensation board are out of luck as well as the Snapdragon doesn't have NEON either."
Oops, sorry, I meant Snapdragon. Haha XD
I wonder if that guy is still right, though. If he is wrong, that explains why Sensation is officially supported while non-NEON t2 is not. But... If he's right, there is no reason why Skype doesn't support t2 and in that case a build.prop change or decompile and removal of the apk's device checks would work.
Got some looking up to do...

Danishswag said:
I'm no electrical engineer or dev so I have no idea why both gtalk video and skype need it but they do.
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This may not be correct either, but I think it might be for hardware acceleration/an easier video processing library. I gotta look into that too.

nucleartoasteroven said:
It's making me extremely mad. What video chat for phone-to-desktop actually works with this thing??? And now that Skype claims this will work on all 2.2+ devices, why is it not working on my 2.3.5 gb g2x?? Is it because the Tegra 2 doesn't have Neon support? Well neither does the Sensation's hummingbird... and that's officially supported. Come on, skype...
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The Sensation has a Qualcomm Snapdragon Processor, not a Hummingbird.

FatalityBoyZahy said:
The Sensation has a Qualcomm Snapdragon Processor, not a Hummingbird.
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Yep, I corrected myself in my response to Danishswag when I went to look up the quote. Thanks! Now to confirm that Snapdragon doesn't have NEON...?

nucleartoasteroven said:
Yep, I corrected myself in my response to Danishswag when I went to look up the quote. Thanks! Now to confirm that Snapdragon doesn't have NEON...?
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I'm pretty sure Snapdragon doesn't have NEON. Qualcomm licensed the ARMv7 ISA only and not the Cortex-A8 or A9 designs(The Cortex-A8 introduced the NEON core FPU but you seem to know this). The ARMv7 ISA only mandates Thumb and such.
nucleartoasteroven said:
This may not be correct either, but I think it might be for hardware acceleration/an easier video processing library. I gotta look into that too.
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From personal experience of doing video encode from an Android device;FFmpeg, the open source library for video encode/decode is preferred on Android and is very optimized for NEON(TI is one of the main contributors for FFmpeg for ARM and all TI OMAP3 and OMAP4 designs have NEON). I'm guessing the video APIs for Android use FFmpeg so Gtalk and Skype would be reliant on these libraries.
However the Atrix got Gtalk so there probably is some workaround for this...
Back On Topic: I hear vtok(Gtalk) works

bakedpatato said:
I'm pretty sure Snapdragon doesn't have NEON. Qualcomm licensed the ARMv7 ISA only and not the Cortex-A8 or A9 designs(The Cortex-A8 introduced the NEON core FPU but you seem to know this). The ARMv7 ISA only mandates Thumb and such.
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Ahh, OK, thanks for the clarification. So Skype has adapted an official certified version for non-NEON processors, meaning there shouldn't be much reason why they still aren't supporting Tegra 2.
bakedpatato said:
From personal experience of doing video encode from an Android device;FFmpeg, the open source library for video encode/decode is preferred on Android and is very optimized for NEON(TI is one of the main contributors for FFmpeg for ARM and all TI OMAP3 and OMAP4 designs have NEON). I'm guessing the video APIs for Android use FFmpeg so Gtalk and Skype would be reliant on these libraries.
However the Atrix got Gtalk so there probably is some workaround for this...
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That is correct, both apps rely on NEON and that's why previous ports failed. Atrix (T2) did get gtalk, so there is a new attempt underway. Have a look at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1184999
There hasn't been too much progress (at least publicly displayed) or as much as the LG cam port attempt, but it's promising. And now that a version of Skype is availible for a non-neon processor, I'm guessing our wonderful devs will soon attempt to use the new libraries to make a working port. Let's hope for the best
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Back On Topic: I hear vtok(Gtalk) works
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I tried this, without much luck... I haven't gotten it to make a video call without force closing yet.
For the record, anyone, I'm running my G2x with CM7 nightly 94. I will be updating to 97 tomorrow; maybe, just maybe, that will change the results with programs I'm describing here, such as oovoo and vtok not working. If it does, I will repost.

nucleartoasteroven said:
Ahh, OK, thanks for the clarification. So Skype has adapted an official certified version for non-NEON processors, meaning there shouldn't be much reason why they still aren't supporting Tegra 2.
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We don't have source so we don't know how they did it...
nucleartoasteroven said:
That is correct, both apps rely on NEON and that's why previous ports failed. Atrix (T2) did get gtalk, so there is a new attempt underway. Have a look at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1184999
There hasn't been too much progress (at least publicly displayed) or as much as the LG cam port attempt, but it's promising. And now that a version of Skype is availible for a non-neon processor, I'm guessing our wonderful devs will soon attempt to use the new libraries to make a working port. Let's hope for the best
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Yeah I would rather see working gchat than LG cam but I'm happy to help out anywhere.
nucleartoasteroven said:
I tried this, without much luck... I haven't gotten it to make a video call without force closing yet.
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Fuuuuuu....
nucleartoasteroven said:
For the record, anyone, I'm running my G2x with CM7 nightly 94. I will be updating to 97 tomorrow; maybe, just maybe, that will change the results with programs I'm describing here, such as oovoo and vtok not working. If it does, I will repost.
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CM 97 has some FFC/cam fixes(looked at changelog) so it might.

That's some BS. The G2X has been out 2 months longer then the Sensation! -__-
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Vulkan API?

So yeah Samsung said that it's integrated in the S7 and S7 edge, but what does that mean right NOW? I still haven't noticed any improvements in gaming performance, and games still drain the same amount of battery (as they say it improves performance in gaming and battery life, also it's said that the new TouchWiz uses or will use the Vulkan API, is it already being used or what?). What exactly should we expect and when?
My questions might not be well asked, but you get what I want to know

Silvers91 said:
So yeah Samsung said that it's integrated in the S7 and S7 edge, but what does that mean right NOW? I still haven't noticed any improvements in gaming performance, and games still drain the same amount of battery (as they say it improves performance in gaming and battery life, also it's said that the new TouchWiz uses or will use the Vulkan API, is it already being used or what?). What exactly should we expect and when?
My questions might not be well asked, but you get what I want to know
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This post explains it pretty well, basically it's a new way to boost graphics performance and harness the full power of the CPU. It translates into more responsive game play, more fluid animations and a slicker/snappier touchwiz.
https://news.samsung.com/global/see...y-s7-create-more-immersive-gaming-experiences
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gsmyth said:
This post explains it pretty well, basically it's a new way to boost graphics performance and harness the full power of the CPU. It translates into more responsive game play, more fluid animations and a slicker/snappier touchwiz.
https://news.samsung.com/global/see...y-s7-create-more-immersive-gaming-experiences
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Thanks, I know all of this.. But it's still all on paper, right? when do we expect to actually see it and notice any difference on the Galaxy S7?

Silvers91 said:
Thanks, I know all of this.. But it's still all on paper, right? when do we expect to actually see it and notice any difference on the Galaxy S7?
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It will depend on devs implementing it when building their games, I'm not sure which ones/if any use it at the moment.
I think it's helped a lot with the optimisation of touchwiz which is noticeably improved although this could also be due to the 4GB ram and newer CPU in the S7.
I believe android N is supposed to add native support for the vulkan api so perhaps it will be more apparent when it comes.
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gsmyth said:
It will depend on devs implementing it when building their games, I'm not sure which ones/if any use it at the moment.
I think it's helped a lot with the optimisation of touchwiz which is noticeably improved although this could also be due to the 4GB ram and newer CPU in the S7.
I believe android N is supposed to add native support for the vulkan api so perhaps it will be more apparent when it comes.
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I'm actually trying now to play Vainglory which is supposedly using Vulkan API, and I can't deny it, it runs smoother than a lot of games I have including clash royale, hearthstone and subway surfers.. even though it looks demanding.. Also the phone isn't overheating much like it does on clash royale and battery drain is normal.. I don't know if it's actually thanks to Vulkan or if the game runs like this on other phones as well.

Silvers91 said:
I'm actually trying now to play Vainglory which is supposedly using Vulkan API, and I can't deny it, it runs smoother than a lot of games I have including clash royale, hearthstone and subway surfers.. even though it looks demanding.. Also the phone isn't overheating much like it does on clash royale and battery drain is normal.. I don't know if it's actually thanks to Vulkan or if the game runs like this on other phones as well.
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Nice one, it certainly sounds like its running well although hard to confirm its purely down to Vulkan, without being able to enable and disable it on the handset itself. I suppose the way to test would be to run it on an S6 or an HTC 10 for comparison.

Silvers91 said:
So yeah Samsung said that it's integrated in the S7 and S7 edge, but what does that mean right NOW? I still haven't noticed any improvements in gaming performance, and games still drain the same amount of battery (as they say it improves performance in gaming and battery life, also it's said that the new TouchWiz uses or will use the Vulkan API, is it already being used or what?). What exactly should we expect and when?
My questions might not be well asked, but you get what I want to know
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After almost a year of your post, I am also still looking for this information. Have you found what you are looking for? I am now in nougat with a game that "said" support vulkan api, but my analysis, cpu work is still high and gpu work is still low.

mashardpro said:
After almost a year of your post, I am also still looking for this information. Have you found what you are looking for? I am now in nougat with a game that "said" support vulkan api, but my analysis, cpu work is still high and gpu work is still low.
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Sorry mate, I got rid of the S7.

MTK Sources

Hello comunity!
First: Sorry for my bad english.
2nd: I've had found the sources from the mt6797 which is build in the redmi note 4 MTK. Is this enought for building a AOSP rom ?
There's the link: https://github.com/MT6797?tab=repositories
venor sources: https://gitlab.com/mt6797/vendor

diedmaster said:
Hello comunity!
First: Sorry for my bad english.
2nd: I've had found the sources from the mt6797 which is build in the redmi note 4 MTK. Is this enought for building a AOSP rom ?
There's the link: https://github.com/MT6797?tab=repositories
venor sources: https://gitlab.com/mt6797/vendor
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No.
Mediatek + Xiaomi = No support, no kernel, nothing. Just deal with it. Trust me, I've been there. I had RN2. Ditched it after year.

gr4nis said:
No.
Mediatek + Xiaomi = No support, no kernel, nothing. Just deal with it. Trust me, I've been there. I had RN2. Ditched it after year.
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mhm thats a REAL shame :/ but thanks for answer

Don't you think the developers who know how to develop AOSP already know? They are WAY ahead of you. If you checked the dev forum instead of being lazy you would see that there is already an alpha of CyanogenMod 14.1 which is built from sourcecode.
The problem is not MTK sources, it's Redmi Note 4 sources. Drivers for the camera and the fingerprint reader and stuff like that.
Sorry if you think I'm being rude, but this is borderline a troll/spam thread. You get people half excited from the title then share a repo link that any child could find in Google.
Please leave the development to the developers.
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No.
Mediatek + Xiaomi = No support, no kernel, nothing. Just deal with it. Trust me, I've been there. I had RN2. Ditched it after year.
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And yet you decided to try your luck and get another MTK device?
Most of us are aware that getting an MTK device means no AOSP. We get them because they have a high price-to-performance ratio.
Personally I am glad to move away from the Xperia series; it had every AOSP fork under the sun being made for it but they were ALL buggy. It's just torture. If you really want that kind of developer stuff, you should get a Google device.

CosmicDan said:
Don't you think the developers who know how to develop AOSP already know? They are WAY ahead of you. If you checked the dev forum instead of being lazy you would see that there is already an alpha of CyanogenMod 14.1 which is built from sourcecode.
The problem is not MTK sources, it's Redmi Note 4 sources. Drivers for the camera and the fingerprint reader and stuff like that.
Sorry if you think I'm being rude, but this is borderline a troll/spam thread. You get people half excited from the title then share a repo link that any child could find in Google.
Please leave the development to the developers.
And yet you decided to try your luck and get another MTK device?
Most of us are aware that getting an MTK device means no AOSP. We get them because they have a high price-to-performance ratio.
Personally I am glad to move away from the Xperia series; it had every AOSP fork under the sun being made for it but they were ALL buggy. It's just torture. If you really want that kind of developer stuff, you should get a Google device.
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thanks for you answer,
I really didnt know that .. I thought with the SoC sources the drivers are allready included .. but okey, thanks anyway

CosmicDan said:
And yet you decided to try your luck and get another MTK device?
Most of us are aware that getting an MTK device means no AOSP. We get them because they have a high price-to-performance ratio.
Personally I am glad to move away from the Xperia series; it had every AOSP fork under the sun being made for it but they were ALL buggy. It's just torture. If you really want that kind of developer stuff, you should get a Google device.
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Who said I did? I have Global version of RN4 (mido). I just replied to him, cause I know that feeling to be disappointed by MTK device. I had one and that is definitely gonna be my last.

gr4nis said:
Who said I did? I have Global version of RN4 (mido). I just replied to him, cause I know that feeling to be disappointed by MTK device. I had one and that is definitely gonna be my last.
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Actually you said "We"
1. nominative plural of*I.
2. (used to denote oneself and another or others):
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/we
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gr4nis said:
Who said I did? I have Global version of RN4 (mido). I just replied to him, cause I know that feeling to be disappointed by MTK device. I had one and that is definitely gonna be my last.
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I mean if anything the Qualcomm variant is the dissapointing one, why would you buy it over the Redmi note 3 with a much faster processor and more rom support is beyond me.

Wilderone said:
Actually you said "We"
1. nominative plural of*I.
2. (used to denote oneself and another or others):
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/we
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What?
I didn't use word "We" in any of my posts. Is this reply for @CosmicDan?
Nintonito said:
I mean if anything the Qualcomm variant is the dissapointing one, why would you buy it over the Redmi note 3 with a much faster processor and more rom support is beyond me.
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It may be faster, but it's not better overall. SD 625 is based on newer architecture (14nm) which makes it cooler in load and offer your phone much better battery life. If you don't do serious gaming, the difference in speed is not even noticable (Also SD 650 is gonna throttling much sooner because of higher temperatures, which is point where SD 625 can match it's performance). And about ROMs... You can't be serious! RN3 Pro is year older than RN4X, which is still new device. Of course more people have it therefore more people develop for it. Give it some time, and RN4X gonna excede RN3Pro (even now there is developement for all ROM's I'm interested in and a lot more). Also 625 is newer than 650 so it's gonna be supported longer.

gr4nis said:
Who said I did? I have Global version of RN4 (mido). I just replied to him, cause I know that feeling to be disappointed by MTK device. I had one and that is definitely gonna be my last.
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Oh sorry, I just assumed you had the MTK version because... well.. THIS IS THE MTK SUBFORUM.
You come in here and trash-talk a device/chipset you don't even have, and expect us to value your opinion? Please.
gr4nis said:
What?
I didn't use word "We" in any of my posts. Is this reply for @CosmicDan?
It may be faster, but it's not better overall. SD 625 is based on newer architecture (14nm) which makes it cooler in load and offer your phone much better battery life. If you don't do serious gaming, the difference in speed is not even noticable (Also SD 650 is gonna throttling much sooner because of higher temperatures, which is point where SD 625 can match it's performance). And about ROMs... You can't be serious! RN3 Pro is year older than RN4X, which is still new device. Of course more people have it therefore more people develop for it. Give it some time, and RN4X gonna excede RN3Pro (even now there is developement for all ROM's I'm interested in and a lot more). Also 625 is newer than 650 so it's gonna be supported longer.
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"Better" is subjective. For starters, my X20 Note 4 does not overheat (in fact this is the first I've ever heard about thermal issues on this thing). Secondly, battery life is a non-issue for me - I get ~5 hours SoT which is more than enough to last me a whole day, even two or three if I don't get to charge one night for whatever reason.
The SD is actually probably the same in gaming sine the MTK GPU is underpowered, but in the CPU department the Helio X20 beats the pants off of the SD. You say the speed is not noticeable yet you just admitted you don't even have a Note 4 MTK variant so how do you know? The numbers speak for themselves - the Geekbench score is just too big for it to not be noticeable when under load.
ROM's are a moot point, they don't interest me - only an idiot (or, I suppose, a former fan who regrets their purchase) buys a Xiaomi device and gets rid of MIUI. You can get a Nexus or last-gen Xperia device or whatever for cheaper if you want that crap.
Anyway, you said you don't even have an MTK device, yet you're in here criticizing it, that's like a perfect example of trolling. I'm unsubbing, not gonna waste my time on this anymore.
Personally, I got the Note 4 at the time (right near launch) because I needed a new phone RIGHT NOW, I wasn't going to wait ~6 months for a device that's the same price and only a little bit better - if I waited six months I could of saved more and gotten a high end device. But the SD variant only has two things going for it - better battery life, and support for non-MIUI ROM's - two things that I and many others don't need.

You Said it all Dan..but many users think they know better...
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CosmicDan said:
Oh sorry, I just assumed you had the MTK version because... well.. THIS IS THE MTK SUBFORUM.
You come in here and trash-talk a device/chipset you don't even have, and expect us to value your opinion? Please.
"Better" is subjective. For starters, my X20 Note 4 does not overheat (in fact this is the first I've ever heard about thermal issues on this thing). Secondly, battery life is a non-issue for me - I get ~5 hours SoT which is more than enough to last me a whole day, even two or three if I don't get to charge one night for whatever reason.
The SD is actually probably the same in gaming sine the MTK GPU is underpowered, but in the CPU department the Helio X20 beats the pants off of the SD. You say the speed is not noticeable yet you just admitted you don't even have a Note 4 MTK variant so how do you know? The numbers speak for themselves - the Geekbench score is just too big for it to not be noticeable when under load.
ROM's are a moot point, they don't interest me - only an idiot (or, I suppose, a former fan who regrets their purchase) buys a Xiaomi device and gets rid of MIUI. You can get a Nexus or last-gen Xperia device or whatever for cheaper if you want that crap.
Anyway, you said you don't even have an MTK device, yet you're in here criticizing it, that's like a perfect example of trolling. I'm unsubbing, not gonna waste my time on this anymore.
Personally, I got the Note 4 at the time (right near launch) because I needed a new phone RIGHT NOW, I wasn't going to wait ~6 months for a device that's the same price and only a little bit better - if I waited six months I could of saved more and gotten a high end device. But the SD variant only has two things going for it - better battery life, and support for non-MIUI ROM's - two things that I and many others don't need.
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You should read more and write less. I was comparing SD 650 and SD 625. Didn't even mention MTK or RN4 (nikel). So your whole post is actually pointless.

gr4nis said:
You should read more and write less. I was comparing SD 650 and SD 625. Didn't even mention MTK or RN4 (nikel). So your whole post is actually pointless.
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You were comparing SD chipset in the wrong thread. This is a Mediatek subforum. So actually, his post is not pointless.

ekin_strops said:
You were comparing SD chipset in the wrong thread. This is a Mediatek subforum. So actually, his post is not pointless.
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True. It was OT, but I just responded to someone else's comment. Didn't come with it on my own.

CosmicDan said:
Don't you think the developers who know how to develop AOSP already know? They are WAY ahead of you. If you checked the dev forum instead of being lazy you would see that there is already an alpha of CyanogenMod 14.1 which is built from sourcecode.
The problem is not MTK sources, it's Redmi Note 4 sources. Drivers for the camera and the fingerprint reader and stuff like that.
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OK let me get this straight. The culprit here is xiaomi and not mediatek for not releasing sources? Is there any chance xiaomi will release sources? How come snapdragon note 4 has so many roms? Does that mean xiaomi has released sources for it? Has mediatek released sources for this device? Sorry for asking

adrxano said:
OK let me get this straight. The culprit here is xiaomi and not mediatek for not releasing sources? Is there any chance xiaomi will release sources? How come snapdragon note 4 has so many roms? Does that mean xiaomi has released sources for it? Has mediatek released sources for this device? Sorry for asking
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Neither note 4 has official source from Xiaomi. Difference is that Snapdragon devices can be made to boot from CAF source from Qualcomm due to sheer experience, and the same has not been accomplished with Mediatek's Helio X20 source. That and xda has a massssssssuve preference towards Qualcomm anyways due to repeat positive experiences, so most developers spend the time on Qualcomm devices.

CosmicDan said:
Oh sorry, I just assumed you had the MTK version because... well.. THIS IS THE MTK SUBFORUM.
You come in here and trash-talk a device/chipset you don't even have, and expect us to value your opinion? Please.
"Better" is subjective. For starters, my X20 Note 4 does not overheat (in fact this is the first I've ever heard about thermal issues on this thing). Secondly, battery life is a non-issue for me - I get ~5 hours SoT which is more than enough to last me a whole day, even two or three if I don't get to charge one night for whatever reason.
The SD is actually probably the same in gaming sine the MTK GPU is underpowered, but in the CPU department the Helio X20 beats the pants off of the SD. You say the speed is not noticeable yet you just admitted you don't even have a Note 4 MTK variant so how do you know? The numbers speak for themselves - the Geekbench score is just too big for it to not be noticeable when under load.
ROM's are a moot point, they don't interest me - only an idiot (or, I suppose, a former fan who regrets their purchase) buys a Xiaomi device and gets rid of MIUI. You can get a Nexus or last-gen Xperia device or whatever for cheaper if you want that crap.
Anyway, you said you don't even have an MTK device, yet you're in here criticizing it, that's like a perfect example of trolling. I'm unsubbing, not gonna waste my time on this anymore.
Personally, I got the Note 4 at the time (right near launch) because I needed a new phone RIGHT NOW, I wasn't going to wait ~6 months for a device that's the same price and only a little bit better - if I waited six months I could of saved more and gotten a high end device. But the SD variant only has two things going for it - better battery life, and support for non-MIUI ROM's - two things that I and many others don't need.
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I Agree 100%, i have MTK and my girl SD, MTK RULES!!!

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OK let me get this straight. The culprit here is xiaomi and not mediatek for not releasing sources? Is there any chance xiaomi will release sources? How come snapdragon note 4 has so many roms? Does that mean xiaomi has released sources for it? Has mediatek released sources for this device? Sorry for asking
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Do you not know that the combo of cpu, camera, soc, on the redmi note 4 is simillar to a lot of other androids lol. And those other androids have their sources released. You know where jm going with this. Redmi note 4 snapdragon having a lot of custom roms is in no way a big thanks to the redmi note ⁴ community itself. Get real.

personally I dislike miui as it has no support for advanced USB OTG features such as gamepad compatibility or being used as a usb keyboard/touchpad mouse for your pc . though at least the MTK chipset on this phone supports 10bit h265 and vp9 which makes it good for long trips. provided most of your trip isn't in direct sunlight.

asdf2354 said:
personally I dislike miui as it has no support for advanced USB OTG features such as gamepad compatibility or being used as a usb keyboard/touchpad mouse for your pc . though at least the MTK chipset on this phone supports 10bit h265 and vp9 which makes it good for long trips. provided most of your trip isn't in direct sunlight.
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hmm MTK Note4 Support advanced OTG, eyboard, mouse and my soudcard (Soundbalster USB XiFi works fine)

Huawei is preparing a "very scary" technology

Huawei is preparing a "very scary" technology that can change all of its devices
https://infoglitz.com/polandeng/hua...echnology-that-can-change-all-of-its-devices/
What is that? What they will make? Software or hardware? Will P20 Pro be able to use "scary technology "?
Or it will be new P20 Pro with Kirin 980?

It sounds like AI battery optimization to me.

Sounds like a bad translation to me.

06.06.2018 --- Kirin OS for new devices! Based on Linux.

Apparenty with a focus oon speed
isko01 said:
06.06.2018 --- Kirin OS for new devices! Based on Linux.
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isko01 said:
06.06.2018 --- Kirin OS for new devices! Based on Linux.
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Huawei've said they will stick on Android always before.

fishersfish said:
Huawei've said they will stick on Android always before.
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Unless Us lawmakers ban Huawei from using Android. I think they are preparing for the worst.

Jamestdd said:
Unless Us lawmakers ban Huawei from using Android. I think they are preparing for the worst.
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They are ban just from US market not Android.

isko01 said:
They are ban just from US market not Android.
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Like the recent case with zte, US can pressure Google not to grant the Android license to Huawei, that the worst case scenario.

Jamestdd said:
Like the recent case with zte, US can pressure Google not to grant the Android license to Huawei, that the worst case scenario.
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You are right in that way

Jamestdd said:
Unless Us lawmakers ban Huawei from using Android. I think they are preparing for the worst.
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Some leaks say that Huawei will remove/modify Android's Dalvik to speed system up, and rename the new system to Kirin OS. And of cause, someone has already said that.
No worry about US gov's decision, chineses gov won't agree.

The "scary technology " has been revealed by Huawei today and dubbed "GPU turbo ". Interesting thing is that we probably get this on our p20's as well
http://m.scmp.com/tech/china-tech/article/2149514/huawei-makes-play-mobile-gamers-turbocharged-technology-beats-all
http://www.gizmochina.com/2018/06/06/honor-announces-gpu-turbo-a-turbocharger-for-your-smartphone-graphics/

Scary technology get just GPU 60% more in 8.2 update.

Yes but that's with an upgraded GPU. This is software related and can be achieved with existing compatible hardware.
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Scary technology get just GPU 60% more in 8.2 update.
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I'd be interested to see how they got the 30% less battery usage claim.

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Scary technology get just GPU 60% more in 8.2 update.
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Are there any articles that talk about the likely implementation on the p20 pro?

Kirin 970 with "GPU turbo " in action and outperforms Xiaomi Mi8 SD845.. App opening speeds are insanely fast Really hope this will come to our devices in a future firmware update.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ddrilm3llpkkx2f/Honor%20Play%20VS%20XiaoMi8%28Kirin970%20GPU%20turbo%20VS%20Snapdragon845%29unbelievable%21.mp4?dl=0

Hey guys, more good news: Today Huawei announced that it will push the optimized GPU technology to their devices include the P20 series around the end of July
https://www.gizmochina.com/2018/06/13/huawei-announces-devices-getting-gpu-turbo-mate-10-to-get-960fps-slow-motion-too/

spindowski said:
Hey guys, more good news: Today Huawei announced that it will push the optimized GPU technology to their devices include the P20 series around the end of July
https://www.gizmochina.com/2018/06/...-turbo-mate-10-to-get-960fps-slow-motion-too/
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I see they will get 960fps super slow motion to Mate 10. Will this GPU Turbo fix crazy artifacts in Super slow motion in P20 Pro?

Request. Motion interpolation on Android with MX Player. Someday, any hope?

Will we see motion interpolation on Android someday? Like Asus nexus player from 2014 have it or its to soon to ask yet?
Oneplus 7 pro 90hz screen is epic but without true Video player King like MX its not complete.

I too own a 7t pro. 90hz display. Want interpolation badly. Meanwhile, try mov. Currently only mpv supports it.

I'd posted this ~3-4 years back on the dev wishlist , never got a response

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Will we see motion interpolation on Android someday? Like Asus nexus player from 2014 have it or its to soon to ask yet?
Oneplus 7 pro 90hz screen is epic but without true Video player King like MX its not complete.
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I too own a 7t pro. 90hz display. Want interpolation badly. Meanwhile, try mov. Currently only mpv supports it.
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I'd posted this ~3-4 years back on the dev wishlist , never got a response
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We regret to inform you that motion interpolation is not in our priory list at the moment as it heavily relies on the SW technologies and may not be efficient on mobile devices. However, we will continue to monitor the user feedback and review our decision again if there are more requests on this.
Thank You.

It will be cool with the new ai chips and software in this regard.

Mediatek did it back in 2015 but it was a hardware level feature..
http://absoluteverdictas.blogspot.com/2015/12/how-to-enable-mediatek-clearmotion.html?m=1
Hope someday it becomes reality for all..(dozens of threads on xda in different sub forums + reddit too all asking for this in the past)

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Mediatek did it back in 2015 but it was a hardware level feature..
http://absoluteverdictas.blogspot.com/2015/12/how-to-enable-mediatek-clearmotion.html?m=1
Hope someday it becomes reality for all..(dozens of threads on xda in different sub forums + reddit too all asking for this in the past)
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Thanks for the information. We would like to clarify that this's something built into the device. As mentioned in the article, the system will automatically interpolate the frames at rendering time and will work with all apps, including MX. However, third-party apps have no controls over this.
Using SW based motion interpolation may fry your CPU when complex algorithms are used to interpolate the frames. Also, it can lead to stuttering instead of an improved video experience. So, there is very little we can improve this at the moment. However, we will continue to explore the possibilities and support it if it found viable in the future.

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I too own a 7t pro. 90hz display. Want interpolation badly. Meanwhile, try mov. Currently only mpv supports it.
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Thank you. Tried it and it looks like frame merging, madvr on PC can do it, honestly too blooming hard to watch. Also I cant change ratio of screen or audio track, unusable for me. But idea is nice.
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Yeah but 4 years back I think we don’t have enough power right now HW is much stronger I can play 4K via CPU rawpower. We only need someone who can implement it via gpu like other dudes made it with PCs (mirilis splash player, dmitrirender, AMD fluid motion). Sadly not our dudes
Hope someone implement it they can bite a good chunk from a market no one have this feature. I will pay for it on both platforms Android and iOS.

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Yeah but 4 years back I think we don’t have enough power right now HW is much stronger I can play 4K via CPU rawpower.
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I think hardware acceleration support would be required for this feature as even powerful desktop cpus run hot as **** when using software interpolation & still give dropped frames in most cases.
Gpu assisted solutions like madvr help a lot but still make the gpu's run damn hot!
Mediatek users are lucky to have this because they have 60/120fps interpolation completely hardware accelerated
https://forum.xda-developers.com/re...d-enable-clearmotion-miui-based-roms-t3278552
Unless other companies offer such acceleration or development then I'd agree with Mx player's official reply - that it's near impossible to get this feature while keeping it consistent in performance for all.
(Or maybe some genius does come up with a novel motion estimation / motion compensation algorithm optimised for powerful soc's of today! :fingers-crossed:)

nakulp said:
I think hardware acceleration support would be required for this feature as even powerful desktop cpus run hot as **** when using software interpolation & still give dropped frames in most cases.
Gpu assisted solutions like madvr help a lot but still make the gpu's run damn hot!
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Madvr dont use any interpolation, its only doing frame merging. And nice tonemaping for HDR but honestly any pixel shader can do it with much less power consumption, try potplayer with hdr shader it will give almost the same result.
Dmitrirender only can use right now gpu accelerated frame interpolation, and damn, he can play movies so smooth without any lag at all and my cpu and gpu loading at only 25-30% with 4K HDR content. Have no idea how he achieved it 4 years ago while Nvidia represent same technology only half a year ago and only with RTX. Sadly he wont or cant port it to mobile gpu. So yeah we need a genius again.

Meditek did it.
Mediatek did it with clearmotion on redmi note 2.
Long time ago.
It was a great experience.
No overheating or framedrop.
Hope snapdragon adopt something like that to all future SOC.

SVP Team made it recently if someone interested in, its going closed test right now for Android devices. Working great with 865+ snapdragon it can do [email protected] but for 4K interpolation there are no cpu horsepower yet.

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Its time to rejoice bro.
Ask about beta test on SVP developer forum, working great for 1080p as I can tell you. Or have a patience it will come soon.