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[Q] Tether Apps that hide usage?

Hi everyone,
Wondering what apps people use for wireless tether that hide data usage from carriers. I currently use PDANET and also have wireless tether installed, but are there settings in wireless tether I can set so it will hide the usage? I did find some hits from other devices that had specific changed to the wireless tether source to do this, but nothing for the Charge. Any suggestions? Thank you!
Tom

It's impossible. YOU CANT HIDE FROM THE COMPANY MAN!
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AFAIK, if you're running the Gingerbread leak, hiding your usage is pretty much impossible.

crap, thanks for the info guys. Can't hide from the man

yes you can
You can hide man just keep diggin and you will see.

tnowakow said:
crap, thanks for the info guys. Can't hide from the man
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You worry too much!

Verizon can tell when your tethering, can't really hide it, just don't go crazy
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ronot said:
Verizon can tell when your tethering, can't really hide it, just don't go crazy
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No they can't. They can only see your traffic-for instance, logging on to Xbox Live will raise some suspicion because it wouldn't make sense for a phone to be logging in. Just don't use ridiculous amounts of data and don't go to any stupid sites.
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kvswim said:
No they can't. They can only see your traffic-for instance, logging on to Xbox Live will raise some suspicion because it wouldn't make sense for a phone to be logging in. Just don't use ridiculous amounts of data and don't go to any stupid sites.
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Actually, it shouldn't be too hard for them to capture a packet and check the headers, which should tell them if the traffic is valid phone traffic or tether traffic. That is unless your tether software is re-shaping packets that flow through it.

But with all of their customers as long as you don't stand out, they won't look
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kvswim said:
No they can't. They can only see your traffic-for instance, logging on to Xbox Live will raise some suspicion because it wouldn't make sense for a phone to be logging in. Just don't use ridiculous amounts of data and don't go to any stupid sites.
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If they want to, they can tell when you're tethering and when you aren't, regardless of how good the app you're using claims to be.

piizzadude said:
But with all of their customers as long as you don't stand out, they won't look
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That would assume that they have individual people scanning packets, rather than a piece of software monitoring packets and throwing flags. If you have software watching information, it doesn't matter how many sources it's coming from.

Well just set up my tether at the airport. Guess I will see when the bill comes it.

I have been tethering since I got my first incredible and haven't seen anything bad come of it, and I'm torrenting blu rays, on psn, streaming video etc.
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Right now i. Am up to 41gigs and I used 34 last month (netflix and playing swtor and downloading stuff)
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icebear8 said:
Right now i. Am up to 41gigs and I used 34 last month (netflix and playing swtor and downloading stuff)
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So far in 3 months I've used 165 GB. I do most of the bandwidth heavy stuff at night after 11 PM or 12 AM.
The thing is Verizon really doesn't care what you do. If a tower is congested they will throttle you, but that almost never happens except during peak hours. So if you're torrenting at 7 PM, your data may be (very temporarily) throttled to less than 1 mbps. But wait until 10 or 11 PM and you can consume data to your heart's delight.
Verizon's network is relatively robust (not nearly as good as European carriers though), so they could easily offer unlimited LTE to everyone, with throttling only during peak hours (4-10 PM). They don't do it though because they'd rather sell you 22 GB for $180, or just catch people with overage charges.

Yep I use all my data during night (10pm-6am) I work at that time and use my laptop at work with my phone. Verizon never said anything to me or slowed my connection
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AT&T Busted me for tethering. Solution?

Is there any way for me to disguise my usage so they can not see that I'm tethering or am I busted and should give up?
Thanks!

jdbeitz said:
Is there any way for me to disguise my usage so they can not see that I'm tethering or am I busted and should give up?
Thanks!
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How much data were you using?
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You do the crime, you pay the time.
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How much data were you using, what APN, and in what location?

Switch to sprint?
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jdbeitz said:
Is there any way for me to disguise my usage so they can not see that I'm tethering or am I busted and should give up?
Thanks!
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Hard to do! The data usage patterns of a mobile device n that of a computer vary a lot. The bandwidth used within a period of time is a sure shot indicator of the same. Best would be to get a home internet.

It seems like they are wising up --- or determined some new way of detecting it. Give us more information.
I also tether a lot and now im concerned! I was just discussing this on the Captivate forum. Another user recently got caught: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1269283

m0biusace said:
How much data were you using, what APN, and in what location?
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Im using the s7 rom with the new ki modem. So whatever the default apn is for that.
I've used 8gb this week
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I am not sure if they do it off data usage or mac address. I know when I stream Siruis radio that is uses the same data that my laptop does. I have hit 5mb of usage in a month with I play about 6-7 hours of Siruis each day at work.

jdbeitz said:
Im using the s7 rom with the new ki modem. So whatever the default apn is for that.
I've used 8gb this week
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8GB this WEEK???? Give up and pay for tethering. There's no way you're going to be able to play that off as phone usage.
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AT&T has the ability to do deep packet inspection to determine what OS is sending the packets - there are some fingerprints they can use to tell that it isn't an Android device.
This is a resource-intensive process so they normally don't do it.
But if you use 8GB in a WEEK, you can be sure they're going to investigate if that usage actually came from just the phone.

So I should be OK tethering for my kids infuses when we are away from wifi?
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carhigh said:
So I should be OK tethering for my kids infuses when we are away from wifi?
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How did you reach that conclusion from this thread?

carhigh said:
So I should be OK tethering for my kids infuses when we are away from wifi?
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Maybe. I haven't gotten a nastygram yet and I tether my tablet all the time, but that's it.
I'm responsible about data usage though - even with moderate tethering I've never gone more than 500-700 MB per month.

I haven't gotten anything yet either (knock on wood) but I did get one of those "you are in the top 5%" emails this month. So I will be watching my usage a lot more considering multiple, members on various forms here are recently reporting this from AT&T.
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OMG. 8 gigs in a week. Lulz. How? No torrents on teathering. My 2 cents
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I know this seems like a joke, but really, switch to Sprint. Unlimited means UNLIMITED, on 3G or 4G (although you're much safer tethering on 4G since they don't give a damn how you use it). That, and we have the GSII.

All carriers have a teathering plan in the works, even sprint. Soon teathering will only work with the proper plan. People have taken this for granted and abused the unlimited data which was not designed for 8gb a week usage. I know that is extreme. Think about it. The unlimited was made when the average person had no idea a phone could do it. Hell I ran my whole shop off a teathered connection to my tilt when our internet went down. But that was rare. Now every kid in the world has a phone that can do it, do they use it responsibily? Nope they are streaming movies in class, music.....you get the point lol. I can't blame the carriers. As more and more people live their lives with their faces buried in a phone or tablet, the data network that runs these device will need to be changed from what we are used to. With the new system you will not be able to hide what device is using the connection. So now its time to man/woman up and either get home internet or pay for the teathering.

I got the email ....i dont tether.
I tethered 1 time last week to test functionality on gtgs new thrill rom....
Is there maybe an apn issue where they think i am tethering when i am not????
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Tethering a infuse thru a infuse would make it look as though I'm not tethering at all, no? No Pc or different operating system involved.
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Trojan virus coming up after latest verizon update

I did an antivirus scan today, and now there is a trojan.android os agent B coming up under verizon sso engine. Install date is the date that I did the latest verizon update. Any one know anything about this?
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zeeza57 said:
I did an antivirus scan today, and now there is a trojan.android os agent B coming up under verizon sso engine. Install date is the date that I did the latest verizon update. Any one know anything about this?
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Reset phone to stock, reformat as.card as well. If using a.rooted phone download.a.stock rooted..19 Rom And format attend area and boot, and data, cache and all then flash a.rooted .19 Rom that is stock.....
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Are you rooted?

No not rooted stock.
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zeeza57 said:
No not rooted stock.
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If you're stock, the Verizon SSO app is factory and likely not compromised. Antivirus scans will generally return a positive for apps that have interaction with your phone's system level, or that gather or store personal information and transmit it elsewhere. In this case, unless you downloaded apps from sources besides Google play, it's very likely a false positive. Verizon SSO (single sign on) is a factory app from your carrier designed to save your log in credentials for use in all of your installed Verizon apps.
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Thank you for the info
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quickdraw86 said:
If you're stock, the Verizon SSO app is factory and likely not compromised. Antivirus scans will generally return a positive for apps that have interaction with your phone's system level, or that gather or store personal information and transmit it elsewhere. In this case, unless you downloaded apps from sources besides Google play, it's very likely a false positive. Verizon SSO (single sign on) is a factory app from your carrier designed to save your log in credentials for use in all of your installed Verizon apps.
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Well remember last year Google pulled about 100 apps from the market that had hidden payloads and malware.... So we can't really trust Google anymore then we can trust ms windows. My trend micro does not detect the ask from vzw.
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Google_Nexus said:
Well remember last year Google pulled about 100 apps from the market that had hidden payloads and malware.... So we can't really trust Google anymore then we can trust ms windows. My trend micro does not detect the ask from vzw.
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Yeah. I remember that, that's why I said "very likely". What I was really getting at is that malware detection apps for mobiles, unlike those for pcs, aren't very sophisticated and often rely on shaky criteria to separate malicious apps from trustworthy ones. Any app downloaded really has the potential to be malicious. Best thing to do is try to stick with apps from top developers (and make sure that top app is theirs as there are imposter apps too) or with download counts in the tens of thousands, it's more likely that those apps have been closely scrutinized by Google and others as any potential malware would affect a larger number of users.
BTW: your screen name is Google_Nexus... So why not get a nexus and have the ICS/ JB you want that way? Not being belligerent, just asking is all. Slim chance of either release for this phone any time soon.
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[Q] Verizon Turning off CDMA

Ok so i'm having an issue, I use my phone to tether as my main internet connection. Before with my x2 i was able to turn off CDMA and use EVDO only. So text wouldn't cut off my tethering date. On this phone i'm in EVDO only mode but i still get text messages :/

I dont think i can get phone calls in evdo only but the text still mess up the internet. This is weird

This phone does data and you can use the phone at the same time. Not sure about it while tethering, shouldn't be a difference though.
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I was under the impression that this feature only works while on 4g is that not the case?
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Always works. Its a qualcomm SoC thing. Rezound and thunderbolt could as well. Kind of silly to jump to conclusions like that without actually seeing if it hurts anything. I've answered phone calls while playing black light online.
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sneakysolidbake said:
Always works. Its a qualcomm SoC thing. Rezound and thunderbolt could as well. Kind of silly to jump to conclusions like that without actually seeing if it hurts anything. I've answered phone calls while playing black light online.
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Its not really silly, with the x2 if you got a text or a phone call you lost internet. Everything i read said it was because of the verizon network. so i figured it was every phone. Just what i read and was told by people on here and verizon.

New to Verizon.. if I understand correctly you're saying this phone can do voice and data? Even on 3g ?
I thought Verizon's network couldn't do that. If the previous statement is correct then can we use the international dialers that have video built into them ?
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screwyluie said:
New to Verizon.. if I understand correctly you're saying this phone can do voice and data? Even on 3g ?
I thought Verizon's network couldn't do that. If the previous statement is correct then can we use the international dialers that have video built into them ?
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I thought the same thing, But i guess that was silly of me to think....... lol Really though idk what samsung did with this phone but on 3g you can do data and voice at the same time. i'm kinda surprised. I know nothing about international dialers

Like I said, its a qualcomm SoC (system on chip) thing. What I'm saying is silly is that you already claimed the txt messages hurt your tethering.
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Tweek900 said:
I thought the same thing, But i guess that was silly of me to think....... lol Really though idk what samsung did with this phone but on 3g you can do data and voice at the same time. i'm kinda surprised. I know nothing about international dialers
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Those of us who started with the thunderbolt and then rezound have had this feature. I love it as i used to have att which was this way.
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nosympathy said:
Those of us who started with the thunderbolt and then rezound have had this feature. I love it as i used to have att which was this way.
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I also came from ATT so this is a nice surprise for me.
as for the dialers, I know there are dialer apps out there (which generally come from non US phones) that have video calling features built into them, is there anyone watching this thread who could tell me if it would be possible to get one and make use of it? and would it require root to replace the dialer app? (I'm guessing it would)
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[POLL] Tethering & AT&T Visual Voice Mail

Alright guys,
As most of you may already know, AT&T has been sending letters out claiming that users are tethering. I want to start a poll and see out of all you that received this letter or text. How many of you have AT&T Visual Voice Mail installed on your phone. Doesn't matter if you use it or not.
Reason being is that if you guys haven't seen the permissions for VVM this is what two of them are:
Network Communication:
View Network Connections
Allows the app to view information about network connections such as which networks exist and are connected
System Tools
Retrieve Running Apps
Allows the app to retrieve information about currently and recently running tasks. This may allow the app to discover information about which applications are used on the device
Reason for this poll is to see if VVM is what is notifying AT&T of the "Tethering" Activities.
To clarify on the poll answers:
If you have VVM frozen then consider it as not having it installed.

i use vvm. i used foxfi and got the letter. sad.
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I have it disabled because I could never figure how to use it. I've been using foxfi for months and I haven't gotten a letter or text yet.
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sly-tendencies said:
I have it disabled because I could never figure how to use it. I've been using foxfi for months and I haven't gotten a letter or text yet.
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When you say disabled, do you mean frozen or just installed but not using it?
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Have vvm and use it and have not gotten a letter when I tether my tab on sky-ice with built in tether
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sly-tendencies said:
I have it disabled because I could never figure how to use it. I've been using foxfi for months and I haven't gotten a letter or text yet.
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you have to call att to activate it. google voice works the same just too lazy. wish i never activated mine. lolz
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With AT&T VVM installed, I was using the built-in AOKP tethering and I got the letter.

I have VVM and have used the Clockworkmod Tether app, which does USB tethering, never gotten a letter.

Alright, you guys are going to love this. So I just called AT&T about the letter. I figured I'd stick with the "play dumb" approach. I said I didn't know what it was about and I couldn't figure out how to tether anyway. Blah blah blah.. he said that when tethering use is reported over the network, the technicians verify it through "multiple redundant verification". I told him that after we got the letter, I tried to see if I could tether and that my phone wouldn't let me. He then stated "well, there are lots of apps that can let you tether," and he proceeded to rattle off a prepared list of apps including FoxFi and a dozen or so others.
This is where it got interesting. He proceeded to tell me that according to their technicians, "You're not even using the stock firmware". I replied, "the what whatter?" (sticking with my "play dumb" approach) and he responded, "You know, the stock operating system that came with your phone or that AT&T updated over the air."
If you use their apps, they can see everything. And it can't be long before they figure out a way to see everything without secretly spying on you with an app.

aycockonxion said:
This is where it got interesting. He proceeded to tell me that according to their technicians, "You're not even using the stock firmware". I replied, "the what whatter?" (sticking with my "play dumb" approach) and he responded, "You know, the stock operating system that came with your phone or that AT&T updated over the air."
If you use their apps, they can see everything. And it can't be long before they figure out a way to see everything without secretly spying on you with an app.
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This kind of meshes with a conversation I had the other day with my AT&T contact. He said that there's been a lot of effort lately put into finding rooted devices on the network and getting them off.
I think at this point we can safely say that any AT&T-provided stock app is to be considered spyware, and should be removed from the phone entirely (not frozen, deleted with phone caches wiped) the second you root.
That said, there's nothing stopping them from putting silent tracker apps elsewhere in the phone and hiding them completely. Here's the fun part: the contracts don't say anything about rooting the phone, do they? If they start kicking root users off the network or forcing us to change off of unlimited data because we've rooted our phone, they'd be begging for a class-action lawsuit.

That said, there's nothing stopping them from putting silent tracker apps elsewhere in the phone and hiding them completely. Here's the fun part: the contracts don't say anything about rooting the phone, do they? If they start kicking root users off the network or forcing us to change off of unlimited data because we've rooted our phone, they'd be begging for a class-action lawsuit.
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Especially when the US Supreme Court ruled that it was completely legal for us to root our phones. They just don't have to provide technical support for rooted phones.
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zomgjosho said:
I have VVM and have used the Clockworkmod Tether app, which does USB tethering, never gotten a letter.
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i went to the play store and it says skyrocket is not supported by this app. what's up with that?
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aycockonxion said:
Alright, you guys are going to love this. So I just called AT&T about the letter. I figured I'd stick with the "play dumb" approach. I said I didn't know what it was about and I couldn't figure out how to tether anyway. Blah blah blah.. he said that when tethering use is reported over the network, the technicians verify it through "multiple redundant verification". I told him that after we got the letter, I tried to see if I could tether and that my phone wouldn't let me. He then stated "well, there are lots of apps that can let you tether," and he proceeded to rattle off a prepared list of apps including FoxFi and a dozen or so others.
This is where it got interesting. He proceeded to tell me that according to their technicians, "You're not even using the stock firmware". I replied, "the what whatter?" (sticking with my "play dumb" approach) and he responded, "You know, the stock operating system that came with your phone or that AT&T updated over the air."
If you use their apps, they can see everything. And it can't be long before they figure out a way to see everything without secretly spying on you with an app.
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but then what happens if you need to send the phone back for replacement?
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specter07 said:
When you say disabled, do you mean frozen or just installed but not using it?
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Like frozen. Hopefully by having it frozen I can avoid this slap.
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Like frozen. Hopefully by having it frozen I can avoid this slap.
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Delete it entirely using Tibu. VVM is not a critical system process, and I don't trust that app at all.

I've been going through a lot of AT&T apps and most of them have the spyware on them.
As for being able to know if you are running stock firmware or not, I'm shocked to hear that.
As a community I think it's safe to say that no AT&T app can be trusted. They are using something to be able to gather information, we just have to figure out what it is.
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Ahhh....this brings me back to the good old CIQ days......
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What's everyone's thoughts on the myatt app used to pay bills, see usage details and the like?
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droidbabyxda said:
but then what happens if you need to send the phone back for replacement?
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You'll have to do a proper restoration to stock.. I believe vincom has detailed this procedure.
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Delete it entirely using Tibu. VVM is not a critical system process, and I don't trust that app at all.
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I agree 110%.
bps119 said:
What's everyone's thoughts on the myatt app used to pay bills, see usage details and the like?
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At this point I would encourage everyone to remove ALL AT&T apps from a rooted phone.

bps119 said:
What's everyone's thoughts on the myatt app used to pay bills, see usage details and the like?
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+1 Same question here too...
Sent from somewhere in Galaxy SII...

NoSpamDan said:
+1 Same question here too...
Sent from somewhere in Galaxy SII...
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It's pretty safe to assume that this and all current AT&T apps have spyware built in.