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[Q] Nexus 5 & Android 4.4.4....worth a try?

Hiya.
I'm trying to replace my Galaxy S4 LTE with another phone with stock Android but with better overall performance. My next choice is the Nexus 5. Had one late last year but because of an "immature" OS i sold it. Now, with Android 4.4.4 i'd like to try it again. But, heard of issues after the release of 4.4.4 like:
1. Battery life now worse (and unpredictable) than before
2. Wifi & network disconnections issue
3. Slow auto-focus when taking shot
4. Weak/tinny speakers sound (which might be down to hardware problems which i don't know)
5. Screen multitouch issues
Is this all true or only for a minority? And do we even know if Google is actually listening or is aware of some if not all of these reported problems?
Please advice. Thanks.

I have updated and have none of the issues you mentioned I love my nexus 5. Stock or custom ROM.
And if people report these issues to google they listen unlike some other OEMS

Gino76ph said:
Hiya.
I'm trying to replace my Galaxy S4 LTE with another phone with stock Android but with better overall performance. My next choice is the Nexus 5. Had one late last year but because of an "immature" OS i sold it. Now, with Android 4.4.4 i'd like to try it again. But, heard of issues after the release of 4.4.4 like:
1. Battery life now worse (and unpredictable) than before
2. Wifi & network disconnections issue
3. Slow auto-focus when taking shot
4. Weak/tinny speakers sound (which might be down to hardware problems which i don't know)
5. Screen multitouch issues
Is this all true or only for a minority? And do we even know if Google is actually listening or is aware of some if not all of these reported problems?
Please advice. Thanks.
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1. i see 5 hours screen on time every single day. battery life is about how you personally use a device, how you set it up, what apps you use, and very much your phone/data signal quality. its like that for any device, even an iphone. the way some people use it, and their signal quality, they will never see over 3 hours sot. the way others use it, they see closer to 6 hours sot. there is no such thing about having standards for how long your battery should last, as we all use our devices differently, and live in different areas with differing qualities of signals.
2. no issues here.
3. i love the nexus 5 camera!
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4. ok, the speakers arent the loudest. there are some mods/apps that will help, but the speaker can be a little better.
5. thats the first time ive ever heard of such a thing, the nexus 5 does not have any touchscreen issues.
no matter what you buy, whatever device, there will always be a minority that complains. sometimes they complain about real issues, but many times the issues only in their heads.

Simms22...I don't know how you managed to take those photos but they look amazing. Any special settings you used? Where you using a stock Android 4.4.4 on the N5?
As i'm not into modding or rooting is there any app you can recommend in helping boost one'e Nexus 5 speakers? (I have heard some issues are caused by glue sticking out or spreading thru the speakers grill from inside which are fixed by sticking a needle into them. Is that even safe to do? Lol.)
Comparing the Nexus 5 with my current Galaxy S4 (with 4.4.2) albeit the 8MP camera and low-battery capacity the Nexus 5 do come out on top. The S4 has a higher (and longer) battery life but what i hate about the Samsung phone is the bloateware (i.e. Samsung's own apps) of which most of them apart from Galaxy apps i have disabled or turned of notifications).
I know discussing battery life is useless because its very subjective and depends on one's usage & circumstances. I usually use GSMArena and Versus in comparing two devices: specs, battery life, etc. What i would say is i work 8 hours a day. Most of the time i live and work in a "moderate to very good" 4G area which doesn't require wifi (which i think does drain battery albeit slowly). The only notifications i have is my Gmail, Twitter, Instagram, SMS messaging and Whatsapp. That's it. I make sure Sync, Location services (if its turned on it is set to Battery saving due to the nature of my work or the app i use), NFC, Wifi, Bluetooth and anything else is turned off. Anything i missed there?
Would a 2300mAh battery of the Nexus 5 be better than a 2600mAh of an S4? Surely the higher the number the better with everything turned off? Or would having a vanilla OS compensate for the low battery capacity and end up being better?
Does a battery-saving /RAM-optimising app help in improving the battery life (and performance) of the Nexus 5?
Please help.

While the speakers aren't good but software won't make them good battery life is bad on stock if you go to a custom ROM you get great battery life and most of Google's bugs are gone so yeah if you get one you might want to put a custom ROM on it
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Wow you have to tell me how you got your photos to look like that that's as good as my digital camera
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Gino76ph said:
Simms22...I don't know how you managed to take those photos but they look amazing. Any special settings you used? Where you using a stock Android 4.4.4 on the N5?
As i'm not into modding or rooting is there any app you can recommend in helping boost one'e Nexus 5 speakers? (I have heard some issues are caused by glue sticking out or spreading thru the speakers grill from inside which are fixed by sticking a needle into them. Is that even safe to do? Lol.)
Comparing the Nexus 5 with my current Galaxy S4 (with 4.4.2) albeit the 8MP camera and low-battery capacity the Nexus 5 do come out on top. The S4 has a higher (and longer) battery life but what i hate about the Samsung phone is the bloateware (i.e. Samsung's own apps) of which most of them apart from Galaxy apps i have disabled or turned of notifications).
I know discussing battery life is useless because its very subjective and depends on one's usage & circumstances. I usually use GSMArena and Versus in comparing two devices: specs, battery life, etc. What i would say is i work 8 hours a day. Most of the time i live and work in a "moderate to very good" 4G area which doesn't require wifi (which i think does drain battery albeit slowly). The only notifications i have is my Gmail, Twitter, Instagram, SMS messaging and Whatsapp. That's it. I make sure Sync, Location services (if its turned on it is set to Battery saving due to the nature of my work or the app i use), NFC, Wifi, Bluetooth and anything else is turned off. Anything i missed there?
Would a 2300mAh battery of the Nexus 5 be better than a 2600mAh of an S4? Surely the higher the number the better with everything turned off? Or would having a vanilla OS compensate for the low battery capacity and end up being better?
Does a battery-saving /RAM-optimising app help in improving the battery life (and performance) of the Nexus 5?
Please help.
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While the speakers aren't good but software won't make them good battery life is bad on stock if you go to a custom ROM you get great battery life and most of Google's bugs are gone so yeah if you get one you might want to put a custom ROM on it
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Wow you have to tell me how you got your photos to look like that that's as good as my digital camera
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ive been taking and posting nexus images since the n1 first came out, day two. and daily, i post nexus photos on g+(thousands and thousands now, from all the different nexus)
theres a fine line when it comes to macros. if you cross that line, your photos start going out of focus. behind the line its easy to focus on, and right on that line youll take the best macros. find that line between in focus and too close(out of focus). also, i do not ever zoom. i take the shot in full, and crop it as i like it. if you zoom, you get no choice in how you want the overall image to appear. youll need proper lighting for macros, sunlight or flash, as typical room lighting isnt enough. oh, and when editing, do not over edit. if you edit it too much, it looks fake. if you want to edit, edit in small percentages. the n4 actually takes slightly closer macros, but the n5 macros look and feel more natural.
really, its just the difference between someone that has been using a manual camera, and setting all up manually, and someone that just points and clicks. im 43 now, been shooting photos since junior high school, always adjusting manually, and i used to develop my own film. but this is why i say the n5 has a great camera if you know how to use a camera, but as a point and click camera its not that great. but it will get better, google has added much new code to it and its app for when L comes officially, and after.
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Gino76ph said:
Simms22...I don't know how you managed to take those photos but they look amazing. Any special settings you used? Where you using a stock Android 4.4.4 on the N5?
As i'm not into modding or rooting is there any app you can recommend in helping boost one'e Nexus 5 speakers? (I have heard some issues are caused by glue sticking out or spreading thru the speakers grill from inside which are fixed by sticking a needle into them. Is that even safe to do? Lol.)
Comparing the Nexus 5 with my current Galaxy S4 (with 4.4.2) albeit the 8MP camera and low-battery capacity the Nexus 5 do come out on top. The S4 has a higher (and longer) battery life but what i hate about the Samsung phone is the bloateware (i.e. Samsung's own apps) of which most of them apart from Galaxy apps i have disabled or turned of notifications).
I know discussing battery life is useless because its very subjective and depends on one's usage & circumstances. I usually use GSMArena and Versus in comparing two devices: specs, battery life, etc. What i would say is i work 8 hours a day. Most of the time i live and work in a "moderate to very good" 4G area which doesn't require wifi (which i think does drain battery albeit slowly). The only notifications i have is my Gmail, Twitter, Instagram, SMS messaging and Whatsapp. That's it. I make sure Sync, Location services (if its turned on it is set to Battery saving due to the nature of my work or the app i use), NFC, Wifi, Bluetooth and anything else is turned off. Anything i missed there?
Would a 2300mAh battery of the Nexus 5 be better than a 2600mAh of an S4? Surely the higher the number the better with everything turned off? Or would having a vanilla OS compensate for the low battery capacity and end up being better?
Does a battery-saving /RAM-optimising app help in improving the battery life (and performance) of the Nexus 5?
Please help.
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viper4android is great for sound, but needs root.and the nexus 5 real volume booster app for all other sound but music, but need a custom recovery to flash.
the n5 has code in it that makes it more efficient on battery, so the 2300 battery sizecis fine. oh, and battery saving apps use battery, stay away from them.

Gino76ph said:
Would a 2300mAh battery of the Nexus 5 be better than a 2600mAh of an S4? Surely the higher the number the better with everything turned off? Or would having a vanilla OS compensate for the low battery capacity and end up being better?
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Nexus 5 battery is smaller but the SoC and LCD are more efficient. S801 and S805 phones are even better now.
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bblzd said:
Nexus 5 battery is smaller but the SoC and LCD are more efficient. S801 and S805 phones are even better now.
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For anyone who have experienced it Is it true that the Nexus 5 speakers are actually better (slightly louder) than the Galaxy S4?
Talking about the multitasking tab (on the three capacitive buttons) with the Sony and Samsung Android handsets they have the option to "cancel all" tabs/windows that are running in the background. With the Nexus 5 you have to swipe them one by one. Is there an app to add that same functionality as Sony or Samsung to cancel all tabs & windows?
Any good 3rd-party music player that support Flac, customisable EQ settings, etc.? I'm looking for a music player that enables me to Pause, Forward & Back functions when i'm on my lock screen.
Please advice.

Gino76ph said:
Any good 3rd-party music player that support Flac, customisable EQ settings, etc.? I'm looking for a music player that enables me to Pause, Forward & Back functions when i'm on my lock screen.
Please advice.
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Just about every single music player?

Lethargy said:
Just about every single music player?
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The Nexus 5's own music player (via Google Play Music app) i find uninspiring and has poor presets sounds and equalisers. Any good music player you guys can recommend?
Going back to the speakers is it safe to use a sharp object like a needle to "poke" thru the speaker grills to remove any excess glue that are present in the production as i heard that might be the cause of the slightly tinny/muffled speakers sound?

Gino76ph said:
Going back to the speakers is it safe to use a sharp object like a needle to "poke" thru the speaker grills to remove any excess glue that are present
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No. Do it at your own risk
Gino76ph said:
i heard that might be the cause of the slightly tinny/muffled speakers sound?
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Complete fabrication. Speakers sound tinny and muffled because they're crap, cheap speakers. No other reason,

Alright guys, I suppose we can close this thread now
@OP asking whether or not to buy a device is always problematic. All you'll get are opinions, but in such cases the only opinion that matters is your own

[GUIDE] Ultimate Battery Life For Note 3 [UPDATE:13/10/14]

Well, Saving your phone's battery without compromising your phone's performance will be a little difficult for everyone. Everyone nowadays prefer phones which can last them for atleast a day. But what if we could extend our phone's battery life to 1.5 days or 2 days without compromising the power of your phone?
Yup. That's possible. I've been experimenting with my Note III SM-N900 [Indian Exynos Model]. I did it for almost like 6 months. My aim was to maximize my phone's battery life. And finally I found it. I wanna share all my results and the secret tips to save that last precious drop of your battery juice!
[NOTE: [Please keep in mind that I own a Exynos Model, i.e, SM-N900 and made all the customization on this model only. Many methods explained herein might not work for you.]]
:victory:
So, first a few words on my phone's history:
When I first got my brave and good looking Note 3, I was on 7th heaven. I got Android 4.3 Jellybean onboard. I used to get 2 days of unparalleled battery life. Smooth UI. But, very few customization. Previously I used to own a Galaxy SII i9100G. It had a great potential and till date is considered as the most selling Galaxy Variant. But, still I was happy. Then came the wave of KitKat 4.4.2. Guys, you won't believe, I spent weeks in the dilemma of the fact - Should I root or not root. Should I first update and then root? Should I root and then update? I was going crazy.
But then I decided. No, I should first update via OTA and then root my phone. And then, I did it. But soon I realised that I did a wrong thing. I experienced very, very poor battery life. With 3G on and screen time of 3-4 hrs, my phone used to die. But then I thoguht, there's still hope. Thus, I spend a lot of days into finding the best customisation for improving the battery life. And after 6 months, now I finally got the best battery life.
Guys, another thing I would like to say here is that, there was a very good article on saving battery life before, made by stanley08. [READ IT HERE].
STEPS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR BATTERY LIFE
1. Kernel Customisations:
Well, as you all know, kernel is the thing that sits between your software and hardware. Doing optimal changes to it is the best way out there to save battery. First of all currently there are two best kernels out there. halaszk and pekaka. Both are absolutely amazing kernels and I found halaszk to offer a greater number of modifications. But for everyday use I use pekaka now. On the top, it doesn't matter that much. So, let's get started.
First of all, halaszk kernel comes with a very powerful tool called synapse. It allows you to individually set the frequencies, voltages, GPU speed etc.
If you wanna use pekaka, then use an app such as Trickster MOD app from PlayStore.
The main part comes now:
1. Reduce all A15 cores to -25 mv each.
2. Reduce all A7 cores to -13.5 mv each.
3. Use 0 as the parameter for Multicore Power Saving
4. Use Interactive or Ondemand governor.
5. Use CPU frequencies upto 1.3 or 1.4 GhZ.
6. Use GPU frequencies upto 340 or equivalent
That's the kernel part.
2. ROM:
Using custom rom might not be that important because almost all roms available now are either stock or MIUI. So, it won't make a difference. Still some roms might be slightly better.
One rom that I found was Alba's Ultralite roms. These roms have been developed by a russian developer. The thing that's really good in these roms is that, the Ultralite series weigh around 600-700 MB and are totally debloated. So, lesser the bloatware, lesser is the memory consumed and hence, lesser is the battery consumed.
Another rom to observe is Dr. Ketan's Rom series. Many users are satisfied with the balance of battery life and lots of customisations.
Some other good roms are Alliance ROM, and Murat ROMS. There might be many more roms with good battery life. Users may leave their comment below and I'll add them.
3. Memory:
Yup, more memory means more battery. Many would disagree with me but, I tried it out and saw amazing results. I would suggest you to use Clean Master to clear cache, memory and check out your phone's temperature.
4. USPM MOD:
Xperiacle, an amazing developer[And my fav!] has developed a module called UPSM mod. Ultra Power Saving Mode, was found in Galaxy S5. He did an amazing job and has developed this module, which allows you to activate UPSM or Emergency Mode. Doing this, will limit you to basic apps such as Phone, Whatssap, etc and will prove immensely helpful for saving battery. This is highly recommended for an y battery savvy. There's also another Xposed module which reduces NLP Kernel wakelocks, thus making your phone sleep better. Download it here.
5. Reception/Signal:
Believe it or not, this is the part that takes away a huge toll on your battery. If you have bad reception, you ought to have a bad battery life. I saw the results myself. On full signal, my phone's battery dropped to around 98% after 6 hrs standby whereas on 1 bar signal, I found my battery to be 82% after 6 hrs standby. this is because, your phone tries to continuously searches for better battery.
6. 3G/ WIFI:
Personally I found 3G to consume much more battery than WiFi. So, it is advisable to keep it turned off while not in use. If you get a simultaneous screen on time and total 3G usage time of 5-6 hrs, you're great! That's the best you can get.
7. Temperature:
Your phone's temperature makes a lot of difference. Many times you might have experienced your phone's temperature shooting up like a volcano! Well it happens when your CPU or GPU is put under a lot of stress. For example while playing a high quality game. Many times it happens when some background app freezes. So, try keeping your phone a bit cool! I mean, always check if any background apps are running continuously.
8. Greenify:
Hey, I am not talking about afforestation or something! I am talking about a wonderful app called Greenify. Now, what it does is, it freezes the background processes and apps [which you select], and thus frees up a lot of memory.
9. Debloat:
Yup, lot's of apps on your phone may slow it down and deteriorate your phone's battery. Try removing apps that you don't use anymore.
Also, another thing I would like to suggest you all, is to keep reflashing your rom every 2 to 3 months. This would ensure less momory clutter and defragmentation. Also, it would keep your phone running smooth. Also, as you might already know, AMOLED displays consume much battery for bright colors and brightness level of the screen. So, it's advisable to use dark wallpapers.
So, guys these were some of the customisations I used to achieve the perfect balance of battery life and performance. If you have any more idea or trick to save battery, do post it below. We'll keep this thread updated.
Thanks! And do share this thread with others.
:fingers-crossed: :fingers-crossed:

UPDATE:13/10/2014
Here are some amazing benchmarks of my friend/contributer @Spitwista
He has also come up with a great way to save battery.
Things to look at
1. 30 Minutes gaming(Real drifting)
2. 30 minutes music (power amp)
3. 7Hrs SOT
4. More than 24Hrs full run time
5. True deep sleep
6. Smooth and 100% stable all around
7. Using Halaszk kernel v20.b2
For now, check out these screenshots:
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Guys, I am currently testing on XXUENI1 the latest firmware. Will soon give the battery statistics.
Sent from my amazing Exynos Note 3.

Till now, getting really amazing battery on XXUENI1
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thetitanium said:
Till now, getting really amazing battery on XXUENI1
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Screenshots or it didn't happen ?

r-l said:
Screenshots or it didn't happen ?
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Will give it soon.
EDIT:
Here are the screen shots. Love this firmware.
Note that I started monitoring from 85% and used mobile data all the time when WiFi wasn't on.

Will soon post a fresh screenshot.
Sent from my amazing Exynos Note 3.

Im using MultiX ROM 2.0 with stock kernel. Amazing battery life, about 2 hours screen on time with 69% battery left. Im using greenify
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tarantulapg said:
Im using MultiX ROM 2.0 with stock kernel. Amazing battery life, about 2 hours screen on time with 69% battery left. Im using greenify
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I believe MultiX is not for SM-N900..... Very less roms for exynos......
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thetitanium said:
7. Temperature:
Your phone's temperature makes a lot of difference. Many times you might have experienced your phone's temperature shooting up like a volcano! Well it happens when your CPU or GPU is put under a lot of stress. For example while playing a high quality game. Many times it happens when some background app freezes. So, try keeping your phone a bit cool!
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Just a minor thing - It's not the temperature that degrades battery life, but the applications that consume more resources, thereby also more battery and generating heat.

You are too much forcing yourself to lengthen the battery life while limiting yourself from users' accessibility and ease.
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No bro..... not at all.... even I clearly mentioned it in the OP. Read and then speak bro.
Sent from my amazing Exynos Note 3.

Someguyfromhell said:
Just a minor thing - It's not the temperature that degrades battery life, but the applications that consume more resources, thereby also more battery and generating heat.
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Maannn..... please read the 7th point carefully. Nowhere did I mention that temperature degrades battery life. Please read things carefully and then say me what's wrong with my post.
Sent from my amazing Exynos Note 3.

Let me tell all my findings from your post. I would like to say my assumtions so all may not be true.
1. You plugged in awhile AC power or USB cable to PC in between your process and thus it stretched out the battery for awhile.
2. You put in Airplane mode at the end and may be it has been since 10% battery life.
3. You increased the screen time while letting minimal CPU and GPU usage just by reading and browsing internet with chrome for a few mins. (May be brightness is set to 0)
4. I didnt see other applications such as facebook,whatsapp and so on ( you may have uninstalled them and even google play services)
For me, i didnt tweak anything about CPU or kernel. I just use official firmware, rooted and greenify only. Whenever i browse internet, i turn on 3G and then back to 2G with background applications such as viber, facebook,wechat with casuality and ease. My battery would last for a day with screen on time around 5 hrs and sometimes more than 5 hrs.
So my conclusion is your post doesn't intend for "Competition of Battery Life on Galaxy Note 3" . It should be a balance between battery life and users' accessibilty without limitations of the activities.
I appreciate your effort for this post but I dont mean to offend. I am sorry about my comment.

satslu said:
Let me tell all my findings from your post. I would like to say my assumtions so all may not be true.
1. You plugged in awhile AC power or USB cable to PC in between your process and thus it stretched out the battery for awhile.
2. You put in Airplane mode at the end and may be it has been since 10% battery life.
3. You increased the screen time while letting minimal CPU and GPU usage just by reading and browsing internet with chrome for a few mins. (May be brightness is set to 0)
4. I didnt see other applications such as facebook,whatsapp and so on ( you may have uninstalled them and even google play services)
For me, i didnt tweak anything about CPU or kernel. I just use official firmware, rooted and greenify only. Whenever i browse internet, i turn on 3G and then back to 2G with background applications such as viber, facebook,wechat with casuality and ease. My battery would last for a day with screen on time around 5 hrs and sometimes more than 5 hrs.
So my conclusion is your post doesn't intend for "Competition of Battery Life on Galaxy Note 3" . It should be a balance between battery life and users' accessibilty without limitations of the activities.
I appreciate your effort for this post but I dont mean to offend. I am sorry about my comment.
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Now here's my clarification:
1. As I already said, I started monitoring from 85% after charging (see the pics)
2. I did put it on airplane mode for 10mins in the end. (Any person with just 2% battery will do)
3. Ya.... 3rd conclusion is true. I did everything ideal battery test guidelines as per GSMARENA. I even played a few games which didn't show up on the battery screen. Also, Whatsapp was on the whole time and my life is unimaginable without it.
4. My screen brightness was at 50% and 3g on for 4-5 hrs. I only use 3G.
Hope that classifies all your doubt. Will very soon post new battery results since the previous one was a bit controversial.
Many members of XDA are currently testing my settings and will soon give me the results. Thank you.
Sent from my amazing Exynos Note 3.

nice guide. thnaks

BiIIyTheKid said:
nice guide. thnaks
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Thanks bro...... Any suggestions or any more tips?
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Undervolting will make things unstable as I have heard. All I do is debloat and greenify.
That is with Facebook, Instagram on the background.
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Graffiti Exploit said:
Undervolting will make things unstable as I have heard. All I do is debloat and greenify.
That is with Facebook, Instagram on the background.
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See, undervolting my just a few mvs doesn't slow your phone down. That only happens when you under clock way more. By the way your phone seems quite good.
Sent from my amazing Exynos Note 3.

Guys...... New Scripts, tips and settings are soon coming..... Keep checking.....
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Question Another battery let down

Im really unsatisfied with my s22ultra ive done everything i know or people suggested and nothing helped i think next time i go xiaomi or apple. Thats it
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After looking pictures of all these threads you made about this problem it's looks like pretty normal. There is no phone in the world that doesn't drain battery if you doing something with it. Apps drain battery and games drain even more battery.
Previous threads.
Real bad battery
Im having performance issues along with battery drainage. Snapdragon 8gen1
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Did anyone found a way to get more battery from the s22 ultra i get like 3h sot . Today it went from 85 to 60 in 40min i was playing a game but thats was really quick .. i rather buy an iphone just for the battery and performance. But i really...
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The problem is the SOC is inefficient because of Samsung fabs poor 4nm manufacturing node (both Exynos and Snapdragon were manufactured on this node). Nothing will help, it'll take the S23u with TSMC manufacturing the new SOCs to get good battery life.

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Im really unsatisfied with my s22ultra ive done everything i know or people suggested and nothing helped i think next time i go xiaomi or apple. Thats it
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If you're not satisfied with S22Ultra you won't be satisfied either with Xiaomi or any other brand, ESPECIALLY Xiaomi and their garbage OS.
Your usage seems pretty normal and the fact that you have DUAL sims and play games, your battery looks fine. NONE phone will provide drastically more power with this kind of usage.

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After looking pictures of all these threads you made about this problem it's looks like pretty normal. There is no phone in the world that doesn't drain battery if you doing something with it. Apps drain battery and games drain even more battery.
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I get 8 to 9h sot with the 13 pro max same or even more heavy usage i tried 60 hz 720p and i get 5hsot max

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If you're not satisfied with S22Ultra you won't be satisfied either with Xiaomi or any other brand, ESPECIALLY Xiaomi and their garbage OS.
Your usage seems pretty normal and the fact that you have DUAL sims and play games, your battery looks fine. NONE phone will provide drastically more power with this kind of usage.
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I get 8 to 9h sot with the 13 pro max same or even more heavy usage i tried 60 hz 720p and i get 5hsot max ..... they say the 12s ultra can get alot more battery or maybe even the new pixel 7pro

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I get 8 to 9h sot with the 13 pro max same or even more heavy usage i tried 60 hz 720p and i get 5hsot max ..... they say the 12s ultra can get alot more battery or maybe even the new pixel 7pro
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Do you use DUAL SIM in your 13 Pro Max? (Rhetorical question).

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Do you use DUAL SIM in your 13 Pro Max? (Rhetorical question).
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Its 1 sim . Plus i used to use my s22 ultra with only one i got the new sim last month or so

I also feel like the battery it's the biggest problem of this phone . Everything else it's good for me , except for some hy temperature sometimes with it's random but mostly when it's hot outside.
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I also feel like the battery it's the biggest problem of this phone . Everything else it's good for me , except for some hy temperature sometimes with it's random but mostly when it's hot outside.
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Watch this, it explains why. The TSMC SOCs in the s23 series should fix it but the s22 series is not good for efficiency .https://youtu.be/s0ukXDnWlTY

Thank you. Now I know the problem. But also I still don't really understand why it's taking so much battery while it's in stad by ... like the cpu should not be in use then right? I love this phone but this battery it's just awful... anyway thank you for the video. It was useful

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Thank you. Now I know the problem. But also I still don't really understand why it's taking so much battery while it's in stad by ... like the cpu should not be in use then right? I love this phone but this battery it's just awful... anyway thank you for the video. It was useful
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To my shock today i dont know how but just happened...... plus i never have temperature issue

Next time go Poco No use in overpaying for performance when it's not backed up by a good battery. Also... Samsung, with their well known battery issues. No, thank you. Take that advice as you wish.

Tomo123 , I don't even belive what I see there I think maybe you can make this when you let your phone at home and not using it

Iyad22 said:
To my shock today i dont know how but just happened...... plus i never have temperature issue
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I have always goof battery with the Samsung phones at the beginning like 2 -3 mounts it last like 5-6 hours of screen on time and like 20 hours of stand by , but after this period it's just too awful maximum 3-4 hours with maximum 6-8 hours of stand by I think that it's not even making it 20 hours only with stand by but I don't know why exactly it's this happening

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Tomo123 , I don't even belive what I see there I think maybe you can make this when you let your phone at home and not using it
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My dear man, I really don't care if you believe it or not. It just goes to show you have no idea on how to properly optimize the phone you are using. But I am not here to spoon-feed you, learn it yourself... or live in ignorance. Your choice. Have a nice day.

The problem is the kernel not the cpu fab. A quick simple watch of the cpu frequency behavior shows this with ZERO hot plugging and to high idle frequency. I'm not talking how the old hotplug governor was. I'm talking when you turn the screen off the cpus don't hotplug and don't go under 600mhz 4 core. Very very bad for better life and simply fixing this will make the phone last loads longer for standby and adding hotpluging with lower 200mhz idle till screen touch then ramp to 600mhz will add loads of screen on time. I'm not surprised this is forgotten in a world of root is bad but back in the evo3D days you could pm power=0 and get 30 days on a hotplug governor. It's there, we just need custom kernel or Samsung (very unlikely) to fix said issues

In the S22 series, while Snapdragon variant doesn't have great batterylife, the Exynos variant is even worse.
And to improve the endurance, there are 100's of threads that will help to give you some relief. That's all.

Question Pixel 7 Pro - Overheating issues

I'm facing overheating issues while using video call on my pixel 7 pro. So scare for this temperature 45*C while doing video call. My old pixel 4xl has no issue so far, still working fine.
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Mine is at 35c in my pocket with the screen off listening to music. Battery draining like crazy.

Damn it.. so my old pixel 6 pro always over heated and I just purchased a pro 7 was hoping it wasn't over heating and well

Gotta wait for the pixel 12 pro

Over what? 36C* is not over. At least no visible throttling.. winter is coming

I must be good then. I'm at 29.8C while using my phone

A factory reset solved my problem with overheating and draining the battery.

The only video calls I use are WhatsApp, which I've done a few of on this phone. I've noticed they result in a slight increase in temperature, but no more than 38/39 degrees after about 10 minutes.

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Mine is at 35c in my pocket with the screen off listening to music. Battery draining like crazy.
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Normal usages is OK, battery temperature is around 38C, overheat happen while doing video call...

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A factory reset solved my problem with overheating and draining the battery.
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I did factory reset, but I need to migrate all of my data from my old pixel4 xl, but it still happen overheat

hello00 said:
Gotta wait for the pixel 12 pro
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No, this one is my last Pixel , I have been used Pixel 2XL and 4XL so far all ok and the camera is awesome, but this Pixel 7 Pro is overheating

Aunogohe said:
I did factory reset, but I need to migrate all of my data from my old pixel4 xl, but it still happen overheat
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After the factory reset I made a clean instal of everything. I only migrate some videos with nearby function. Maybe you should try a clean instal without migrating your stuff first.

I just unlocked my Bootloader, setting things up and this phone is hot as hell. Hot enough that the Flash is disabled

My Pixel 6 Pro used to hit 45c if you broke wind and it heard you, thankfully my Pixel 7 Pro does run significantly cooler but video calling does seem to be a bit of an Achilles' heel of Tensor. Video calling however does push the radios, the camera and the processor so it is going to heat up innit and if 45C was too hot the phone would shut its self off in self preservation so is it really anything to worry about?
I am not saying this is the same with Tensor but the latests Ryzen processors are designed to hit a thermal limit rather than a power limit so they instantly hit 95C under load where as previously 95C was an absolute no no, you're going to kill the CPU so don't go there, maybe this is just the way forwards.

MrBelter said:
My Pixel 6 Pro used to hit 45c if you broke wind and it heard you, thankfully my Pixel 7 Pro does run significantly cooler but video calling does seem to be a bit of an Achilles' heel of Tensor. Video calling however does push the radios, the camera and the processor so it is going to heat up innit and if 45C was too hot the phone would shut its self off in self preservation so is it really anything to worry about?
I am not saying this is the same with Tensor but the latests Ryzen processors are designed to hit a thermal limit rather than a power limit so they instantly hit 95C under load where as previously 95C was an absolute no no, you're going to kill the CPU so don't go there, maybe this is just the way forwards.
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The problem is the battery can't really exceed 45C without starting to degrade. And obviously it wouldn't be possible to hold a phone that was dissipating 95C worth of heat through the body lol.
That said, I did a video call today on Zoom for an hour and the phone didn't heat up even as much as my old 12 Pro Max did. I checked AccuBattery and the battery was around 38C which is like 1-3 degrees more than the normal usage scenario I've been experiencing and far from being concerning.

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The problem is the battery can't really exceed 45C without starting to degrade. And obviously it wouldn't be possible to hold a phone that was dissipating 95C worth of heat through the body lol.
That said, I did a video call today on Zoom for an hour and the phone didn't heat up even as much as my old 12 Pro Max did. I checked AccuBattery and the battery was around 38C which is like 1-3 degrees more than the normal usage scenario I've been experiencing and far from being concerning.
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Thing is the P6P hit 45C as regular as the tides without worldwide outcry of the phone or battery being damaged, you just had a lot of people (generally in very hot countries) saying my phone is too hot and i have not really done anything, it is hitting 45c all the time and my camera flash has been turned off.
Mine used to hit 45C just sat in my pocket when i was outside in the summer and i am in the UK where at 25C everyone is melting and moaning they cannot stand this intense heat while the rest of the world laughs at us for flapping on a warm day.
45C seems to be a magic number, it is always 45C and you very rarely see it go higher, 45C sounds like a thermal limit to me and maybe just like Ryzen this is how Tensor is set to run, hit the thermal limit first to maximise processor efficiency.
Of course i am probably very wrong as this is all speculation on my part, the reality is Tensor just runs hot like the Exynos processors it is based on I'd have thought.

My brother-in-law has a Pixel 6 Pro, and when I showed him my 7 Pro on a family gathering last weekend the first thing he asked about was the heat levels. He said he loves the 6 Pro, but the overheating on it is ridiculous. He said the phone was basically unusable when we went through a heatwave in the UK here a few months back were 40c was hit in a couple of locations.
My experience of the 7 Pro so far (I've had it just under 2 weeks) is 95% of the time it will sit between 30c and 35c in normal use, and occasionally tip towards 39/40 if you do something which stresses it. I've had it go over 40c on one occasion but that was after 4-5 reboots in 5-10 minutes when I was messing around with various settings after rooting it. Overall it's been more than reasonable for me.
I also strongly recommend sticking the CPU governor on schedutil.

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I also strongly recommend sticking the CPU governor on schedutil.
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May I ask why and what is the differences in your case?

Ky0sHiR0 said:
May I ask why and what is the differences in your case?
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Once activated I found my phone spent more time closer to 30c than it did 35c under normal use. And for what I use the phone for I noticed no performance hit, although that might differ for others.
It's also worth pointing out that, phone SOCs, like other silicon, can differ in quality. So one 7 Pro could run a task with the CPU at 33c and another seemingly identical phone run it a degree or two higher or lower.

Beefheart said:
Once activated I found my phone spent more time closer to 30c than it did 35c under normal use. And for what I use the phone for I noticed no performance hit, although that might differ for others.
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Are You using any custom kernel or just default one?

Question Heating issues fixed after Jan update?

For the 7 pro? I have the US unlocked varient and it doesn't seem as warm as it once did. Jan update may have fixed it.

What build number is the Jan update?

My AT&T Pixel 7 Pro (not sure if it's unlocked) was updated yesterday (Jan 3). It currently has build number TQ1A.230105.002, with Android security update January 5, 2023.

31 C... after jan update - mb normal

dutch_in_seattle said:
My AT&T Pixel 7 Pro (not sure if it's unlocked) was updated yesterday (Jan 3). It currently has build number TQ1A.230105.002, with Android security update January 5, 2023.
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Thanks, was asking because I didn't get it, but then I realized I'm on the beta channel

My 7 Pro has never had a heating issue.
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What program is that?
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Battery Guru.

Cheers had forgotten about this one

The heating issues for my device were fixed after the December feature drop

Wish they would fix battery..Only get 4 1/2 hours sot

kenbrownstone said:
Wish they would fix battery..Only get 4 1/2 hours sot
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It's just YOUR usage pattern and the apps you use. I'm getting double that, and many people much more than you.
Nothing is really broken with the "battery", it's just your own usage pattern.

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It's just YOUR usage pattern and the apps you use. I'm getting double that, and many people much more than you.
Nothing is really broken with the "battery", it's just your own usage pattern.
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That's not entirely true. "Not supported" countries get LTE/4G battery drain, no 4G for call, even blocked 5G by google, blocked baseband frequencies based on location. Even people from supported "offcial" locations reported lack of 4g/5g while traveling to another country. Maybe the battery itself isn't a problem, but basic optimization and menagement is. My patterns did not change, nor did the apps while switching from a 5000mAh medium range phone to google flagship. Hell, I even gamed more on my previous Poco. Now I can't nt get 10h standby and messenger mixed use while at work, cause the battery drains to 5%. Nothing like that happens over Wifi or 3g (can still use messenger on 3g), the usage time goes up like 3 times. Measured. So don't tell us there isn't a problem.
And if you wanted values, some battery meters showed as much as 1400 mAh peak drain while watching a youtube video at work on 4g (i have 5g blocked by google), just scrolling through Instagram gave me 890-1100mAh drain while heating my phone, where this value drops to 400-500mAh drain doing the same on Wifi. Idle messenger is like 320 mAh drain over Wifi, at least 900 over LTE. This seems good to you?

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That's not entirely true. "Not supported" countries get LTE/4G battery drain, no 4G for call, even blocked 5G by google, blocked baseband frequencies based on location. Even people from supported "offcial" locations reported lack of 4g/5g while traveling to another country. Maybe the battery itself isn't a problem, but basic optimization and menagement is. My patterns did not change, nor did the apps while switching from a 5000mAh medium range phone to google flagship. Hell, I even gamed more on my previous Poco. Now I can't nt get 10h standby and messenger mixed use while at work, cause the battery drains to 5%. Nothing like that happens over Wifi or 3g (can still use messenger on 3g), the usage time goes up like 3 times. Measured. So don't tell us there isn't a problem.
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Oh my...
You're one of those that think switching from a mid-range phone to a "high-end" one will suddenly provide them a better battery life.
You do realize that mid-range phones have "much" weaker SOC that consumes less power overall?
Very often the same case is with the display too, lower resolution display, and lower display brightness than flagship screens (very often even lower refresh rate display), and there is a bunch of other things that make a mid-range phone superior when it comes to battery life.
The fact that you even expected a better battery life by switching to a device that has a SOC that EATS power unlike a SOC in a mid-range explains everything.

ekin_strops said:
Oh my...
You're one of those that think switching from a mid-range phone to a "high-end" one will suddenly provide them a better battery life.
You do realize that mid-range phones have "much" weaker SOC that consumes less power overall?
Very often the same case is with the display too, lower resolution display, and lower display brightness than flagship screens (very often even lower refresh rate display), and there is a bunch of other things that make a mid-range phone superior when it comes to longer battery life.
The fact that you even expected a better battery life by switching to a device that has a SOC that EATS power unlike a SOC in a mid-range explains everything.
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And you would be exactly correct, weren't the fact that the battery drain and heating stops, once the phone switches to wifi performing the same tasks. I gave you the numbers, but you seem to not read them with understanding. Are you telling me that LTE overheating the phone and max 10 hours of mixed use on a charge doing messenger and instagram is equivalent to 20 hours of the same on Wifi? If that's the case, we don't actually need flagship phones, we can just go with a Snapdragon 732G or 870 mid/mid-high range chinase phones that can withstand everything during normal daily use.
Dude my Pixel drains 12-14% battery an hour while steaming music over LTE with screen off, while draining 3-4% an hour streaming Tidal on 3g.
Writing this post on LTE made my phone hot.
This isn't normal, wether you like it or not.
Edit: also, the Tensor G2 isn't exactly that hi-end of a chip, benchmarking it put like where? Snap 870? Oh and based on Samsung's OVERHEATING Exynos line. Which Google didn't quite mention untill recently. And don't come here with that "ooo, you're one of those people who..." attitude. I know my tech. I know when tech is good or tech is bad, flagship or not. And yes, I do expect better overall performance in any given case, including at least similar or close to battery life as on a higher mid -range, you know why? Cause people payed close to a 1000 bucks to get a top tier phone. And Google came lacking.

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It's just YOUR usage pattern and the apps you use. I'm getting double that, and many people much more than you.
Nothing is really broken with the "battery", it's just your own usage pattern.
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Bro I barely use the phone ...No Twitter no social media , a little utube and music ..I have one game ...No emails ...10 minutes of calling and 10 text a day

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And you would be exactly correct, weren't the fact that the battery drain and heating stops, once the phone switches to wifi performing the same tasks. I gave you the numbers, but you seem to not read them with understanding. Are you telling me that LTE overheating the phone and max 10 hours of mixed use on a charge doing messenger and instagram is equivalent to 20 hours of the same on Wifi? If that's the case, we don't actually need flagship phones, we can just go with a Snapdragon 732G or 870 mid/mid-high range chinase phones that can withstand everything during normal daily use.
Dude my Pixel drains 12-14% battery an hour while steaming music over LTE with screen off, while draining 3-4% an hour streaming Tidal on 3g.
Writing this post on LTE made my phone hot.
This isn't normal, wether you like it or not.
Edit: also, the Tensor G2 isn't exactly that hi-end of a chip, benchmarking it put like where? Snap 870? Oh and based on Samsung's OVERHEATING Exynos line. Which Google didn't quite mention untill recently. And don't come here with that "ooo, you're one of those people who..." attitude. I know my tech. I know when tech is good or tech is bad, flagship or not. And yes, I do expect better overall performance in any given case, including at least similar or close to battery life as on a higher mid -range, you know why? Cause people payed close to a 1000 bucks to get a top tier phone. And Google came lacking.
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Yes, the whole issue IS THE TENSOR G2. While it barely offers the CPU performance of the 865-70 (GPU is somewhat "decent"), it eats twice as much power. It's EXTREMELY inefficient and performs well below many other "flagship" SOCs while it consumes more power than those.
How much you pay for the phone doesn't automatically grant you a PREMIUM battery life. It may grant you a "premium" performance...
If you know the TECH that well, you would understand why buying a flagship device will never give you the "best" battery life, no matter how much you pay for the device. The reasons behind it is already mentioned in my previous reply. FACT.

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Sorry but this seems with no proof at all
I get the VoLTE/VoWiFi/5G things, which are indeed limited by Google
Not the "sabotage", even because on an unsupported MVNO the battery consumption was mostly the same as the host network

My P7P has run much, much cooler than my P6P ever did, it's never run hot.

It will only get hot for few minutes after the update. Your phone is indexing your file and optimising system app due to update. Those two process use a lot of CPU.
After it's done the phone should run normally. No Heat issue on mine. Unless i open the stupid youtube music which somehow use way too much cpu power