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I changed from a SE p1i to a HTC Touch Pro. In terms of phone easiness and functionalities I lost a lot but in terms of HW I though I gained a lot. However I started to realise that although it has HSDPA and HSUPA the internet over 3G was very, very slow. I sent it to repair and come exactly the same. The best speed I can get is 61Kbps DL when 3G provides 384Kbps and HSDPA 7.2Mbps. Since the latency is very very high, I cannot get the complete rendering of a complex page if the http server gives time-out too early. Using the PC with the VPN is a nightmare.
A friend of mine that is a radio engineer in Nokia told me that this is a "well know problem of Windows Mobile that cannot cipher/decipher the 3G radio packets in real time". I searched on the internet and couldn't find nothing however I tried several HTC and Samsung phones with Windows Mobile, on several operators and countries and all are very very slow. And comparing them with the SE pi1 that worked like a clock... until it broke :-D
Henrique
I think you will find you are getting 61 kiloBYTES per second which equates to 488 Kbps, I use it with VPN and it's great, how are you connecting your PC to your phone, hopefully not via internet connection sharing or it will fail the VPN security check and boot you off quickly
Hi Everyone,
I too was noticing speed issues and they are for sure there. People on these boards have been seeing upto 2Mbit downloads speeds so it can be done. As my sig shows I got 1.7Mbit with 1-2 "H" bars.
I loaded a new radio on mine and that seemed to almost double my bandwidth, I was using the standard .32 radio and was getting around 600 to 700Kbit and then switched to the .28 radio and was getting 1100 to 1300Kbit. Only do your speed tests by tether unless you feel you have a good mobile website to do your testing. I was using www.dslreports.com/mspeed but the results are junk, theirs servers are not able to supply enough bandwidth for a good test.
Secondly I installed a new ROM, specifically I am using NATF's 2.3. This will make the phone way faster in terms of performance. It also allows me to tether via the USB and use my VPN without any problems.
I have an AT&T data card for my laptop (it's a work thing) and I get equal coverage/speed on the fuze as I do on this dedicated device, that is without the radio change that is.
Give the above items a try, the information for making the changes can be found in the ROM development area
Thanks All
Thanks for the feedback guys.
I used GoToMyHelp.com to make the test and provide me the results in both Kbps and KBps... 7.6KBps they said... GPRS speed.
With 3G only the results vary from 17Kbps to 60Kbps, when I turn HSDPA on I always get 61Kbps... looks like the phone cannot handle more than one major WCDMA code with the most robust and slowest modulation code...
But if people reported higher speeds then it means I really have an HW problem and so I have to insist with the service centre... I guess...
Henrique
But...
Although from the comments received looks like the problem is more acute on my device I tried a Samsung with Windos Mobile 6.1 and it is as slow as mine... I think it is too much coincidence.
Does anyone has any information regarding the so called "well known limitation of the cipher/deciphering in real time of windows mobile?
Thanks for any feedback...
Henrique
i get from 800kpb - 1000
never tested upload.
is tehre another test?
I only trust speedtest.net through a hardline tether (not bt) for speed test results. This moves as much processing power as possible from the phone to a full fledged computer, reducing such variables as screen drawing speed, free memory, cpu utilization, etc.
I find the fuze to perform almost exactly in line with my 881u (best speed ive seen on that is just over 2400 down, 900 up) - the only discernable difference is latency, slightly better on 881u (which is to be expected as there isnt ICS running as a proxy in such a situation)
As to the fastest speed you'll see on the device itself, I have not been able to clock over 1700 on speedtest.net running in flash lite 3.1 in opera mobile on my wifi, where i score 5500+ on the computer, so i think testing via phone's browser is not a very good measurement.
I don't know, I just switched my Settings > Phone > Band to GSM to see if it saves substantial battery, opposed to the 3G and even further "H" icon HSxPA I was using before.
The "E" icon GSM-Edge doesn't seem to slow down my Google Maps updates very much.
Thanks
Thank you all for sharing your experience.
The tests I made were using the phone as a modem via USB, so the processing on the phone was at a minimum.
The site I indicated before, GoToMyHelp.com, is used by a Firefox extension I have. After trying several sites this was the one that always gave me the best perceptible match between the browsing experience and the measured figures...
Now comes the hard part to convince the customer services that the phone has problems...
Henrique
I think I have the same problem. I am getting crazy low speeds on G and H, 30Kbit/sec and 60 Kbit/sec respectively. I have tried various tweaks found on the forums, I've flashed a couple of cooked roms and various radios but can't get it any higher. I've tried the SIM in the wifes iphone so I am sure that it's not a problem with that.
Let us know how you get on, are you going to call HTC direct or go through the company you bought it from?
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I think I have the same problem. I am getting crazy low speeds on G and H, 30Kbit/sec and 60 Kbit/sec respectively. I have tried various tweaks found on the forums, I've flashed a couple of cooked roms and various radios but can't get it any higher. I've tried the SIM in the wifes iphone so I am sure that it's not a problem with that.
Let us know how you get on, are you going to call HTC direct or go through the company you bought it from?
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im getting 820kb/s in a suburaban area. It works great. Did you enable HSPDA. AT&T turns HSPDA by default (probobly to save bandwidth). All you have to do is fix it...im not sure how search the forum. I am using DA_G Clean fuze rom and it has it built into the ROM
OMG i just tethered my PC and I got some crazy speeds
And that was the lowest one. It went all the way up to 1900..obviously it flutuates a lot but it is still leveling off around 15k....which is crazy because I only have TWO bars!
this is my home
Its crazy that my phone gets speeds half as fast as my DSL and it only has two bars and im in the suburbs!
i tried iphonespeedtest.com on 1.07 proven and got about 400 at highest
tried it when i used his 1.08 i got 1200 kbps
its sick
Northern VA area
Is it possible that while tethered the phone is capable of more data throughput that isn't possible while browsing on the phone? Similar to the problem of encrypted WiFi being slow due to the processor load of encrypting and decrypting data.
From a technical standpoint when you're tethered all the phone does is pass data from the 3G connection to the USB port. The only processing needed is basic lower level networking to re-address the data packets to a new port, thus the processor has a low load and can dedicate more cycles to simply moving data. The phone can focus all of it's power on getting the fastest connection with the 3G tower.
But when you browse on the phone the processor needs to terminate the data packet and unload it into a program. On top of that even more processor power goes towards running the program itself that is using the data. Since the processor is busy multitasking by running a program, terminating data packets, and trying to maintain a connection with the 3G tower, it's more likely to drop packets or lose it's connection.
This would also explain why you lose that weak 3G connection and drop to EDGE when you open a program that has high processor demands.
Hello there,
i know that this topic has been already debated several times but I couldn't find any solution to it.
I'm running MIUI 1.8.19, android version 2.3.5, kernel version 2.6.35.7-g3cc95e3, baseband I9023XXKB3.
Wifi signal is extremely weak, few meters away from any router and the connection becomes extremely unstable making the wifi experience a total nightmare.
I've been previously tried NSCollab and also different baseband configuration files but nothing seems to get things better.
For what is worth (even though the wifi is bad anywhere and with any router) my router is a Linksys WRT150N running on DD-WRT.
The Nexus S wifi thing seems to be a little bit controversial. Some users seem having no problem with it, some other experience the same problems i do.
Question #1: is that a hardware, software or both kind of problem?
question #2 : is there any workaround that would allow me at least to comfortably browse the internet from my bedroom (5-6 mts away from my router) without getting disconnected every other 30 sec?
Thank you in advance,
D.
You kept a phone that can't hold a wifi connection over a distance of 5m? I'd have returned it on day 1.
It's normal that the distance of WIFI on smartphones is less than say a laptop or pc, but 5m is definitly not normal.
Verify w/ other wifi networks, same problem = return it. If not, bad luck, might be the combination of your phone + the router not working properly.
You can try changing radios to see of that improves your situation, for some it did.
Yes, it is normal having a weaker wi-fi but my blackberry has no problem at all. it is the nexus and it seems to be quite a widespread problem around the globe.
Well i was abroad on business and couldnt return it. Just looking for clues....
I know that netarchy's kernel uses updated wifi drivers, you can try flashing that and see if it does anything.
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Hi there,
i tried several kernels: netarchy, matrix and also installed MIUI and also tried the MIUI Brainmaster ROM. Same result: in my bedroom the wifi signal score a miserable -85/90 db. Is there any kernel out there optimized for wifi? I mean, it seems that the wifi weakness on the nexus S is a common problem.
Thank you in advance.
It sounds as though you have a hardware problem or a router problem. I have to go to a room in the other side of my house to get -90 db and even then it doesn't disconnect. I have to get about 200 feet away before it disconnects.
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Also it might have something to do with interference on whatever channel you are connecting on but I don't really know enough about wireless networking to help you troubleshoot that.
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What i'm wondering is wheter Samsung uses different wifi chipset on the same phone cause i'm not the only one complaining about it. just google "nexus s weak wifi" and you'll see hundreds of people with the same problem.
still wondering if there's a software solution to it.
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What i'm wondering is wheter Samsung uses different wifi chipset on the same phone cause i'm not the only one complaining about it. just google "nexus s weak wifi" and you'll see hundreds of people with the same problem.
still wondering if there's a software solution to it.
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It has been documented that the Nexus S uses an under powered wifi chip. The chip uses less power but with that comes a weaker signal.
mine seems to be weaker than average...
Yours does seem weaker than normal, but no nexus s has decent wifi range.
What I have done is purchase 2 old linksys wrt54gl routers, have them both loaded up with DD-WRT and then link them (bridged mode or WDS if you prefer) and situate the routers in either end of my house. I have a decent sized 3 bed detached house, with a 70ft garden, I can now get a reliable wifi connection near the end of my garden on my nexus, where as previously I couldnt get to the back door
Might be an old thread, but I just traded my trusty HD2 for a Nexus S and god I hate the WIFI reception on this thing.
I am on stock 2.3.4 Rooted with KD1 radio and 2.6.35.14(Pete's) kernel. Tried just about anything out there, and nothing worked out.
Being a Pure Google experience phone, I was expecting a lot more happening for this phone, but it seems that my 2009 released HD2 was way better for all it had to offer.
Subscribing to this thread!
WIFI is fine for me, same as with HTC Desire, and stronger than iPhone 3G...
Its terrible on my Sprint Nexus.
Where I have an Ipod touch and a LG Optimus, they get an 'excellent' connection anywhere in the house. The Nexus drops the connection all the time, shows a 'poor' 5Mbps connection.
Will swapping the phone do any good?
OK.
I bought my Nexus S yesterday and I was soooo disappointed because of its poor wifi reception... But...
I am a network Administrator and a few minutes ago i just couldn't beleive that about 10 meters away from our Cisco Antennas i had about 89db signal so i started playing... and guess what i now have 55dbs at the same spot! What i found out is that Nexus S doesn't work well with High Frequencies so I disabled channels 8-13 and my AP had to work on the low channels and BAM! everything works fine now (My phone is in stock FW)
I hope I helped
Gorbi_gr said:
OK.
I bought my Nexus S yesterday and I was soooo disappointed because of its poor wifi reception... But...
I am a network Administrator and a few minutes ago i just couldn't beleive that about 10 meters away from our Cisco Antennas i had about 89db signal so i started playing... and guess what i now have 55dbs at the same spot! What i found out is that Nexus S doesn't work well with High Frequencies so I disabled channels 8-13 and my AP had to work on the low channels and BAM! everything works fine now (My phone is in stock FW)
I hope I helped
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Awesome tip! Thank you so much
I found this channel number which it uses to make no difference to the wifi performance.
I tried channels 1,6,11, no difference.
The phone just has poor wifi.
As a note, usually I don't use the low channel '1', as this gets interference from microwaves more than the upper channels.
just bought a Nexus and and experiencing heavy wifi issues.
I tried changing AP channel but doesn't fix.
Testing signal strenght with a LG Optimus one for comparison:
1- LG: -72db. stable
2- Nexus S: -85db web pages loading fails quite often.
Tomorrow my NS will return to the store. Bye Bye
Before flaming me about searching the forums, trust me I've searched everywhere. I've tried the *#0011# thing, no change, tried setting a static IP, power saving mode is off, changing the router's channel, factory reset, flashing a new rom, changing the signal from mixed to g only, b only, n only, etc, etc. None of the suggested things have worked for me. Allow me to explain in a little more detail exactly what my problem is. So I just got my GS3 (Razr died and had to get phone without contract renewal) and while connected to my homes 2.4ghz network it goes superrr slow. I'm talking .25 mb/s download and the pages time out, even if I'm right next to the router with a full signal. Now here's where it gets weird... While connected to my 5 ghz band (dual band router) it works fine, getting around 13 mb/s. Now you're probably thinking why not just use the 5 ghz band and forget it? Well because in my room where I am the majority of the time, the 5 ghz band doesn't give off a strong enough signal and I constantly disconnect, and moving the router is unfortunately not an option.
The 2.4 ghz band works find on all of my other devices, iPad, PC, Xbox, PS3, etc. 0 problems whatsoever. I've even tried using my like 10 year old Linksys WRT54G router and it still resulted in the disturbingly slow speeds on the GS3 and find for all other devices. What's the catch? I still have unlimited data (lucky me), but where I live specifically has terrible 3g speeds and no 4g at all. Please help with any suggestions!
If you've wiped, switched roms and so forth with no difference and the other devices work, than I would say it's probably a hardware defect.
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I've read of many other people having the exact same problem as me throughout my extensive searching, but none ever came back to update their progress/status on the issue unfortunately.
Unfortunately you might have to buy a network extender in order strengthen your signal. The downside is that some ROMs won't read the extender.
After being connected to WiFi for a while the wifi speeds drop to less than a quarter of their normal speeds, e.g. at home 6 Mbps drops to 1.4 Mbps. It is the same at work connecting to an enterprise level AP (although speed drop is 30 Mbps to about 5 so less of a problem).
I know it is device related as other devices tested at the same time are at the right speed.
Toggling WiFi off then on again returns everything to normal speed. Anyone else?
It's like it reverts to power saving mode. Didn't have this problem with my 4 or current N7.
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After being connected to WiFi for a while the wifi speeds drop to less than a quarter of their normal speeds, e.g. at home 6 Mbps drops to 1.4 Mbps. It is the same at work connecting to an enterprise level AP (although speed drop is 30 Mbps to about 5 so less of a problem).
I know it is device related as other devices tested at the same time are at the right speed.
Toggling WiFi off then on again returns everything to normal speed. Anyone else?
It's like it reverts to power saving mode. Didn't have this problem with my 4 or current N7.
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I haven't had your issue and I've been speed testing here and there all day.
Have you tried turning off wifi optimization under wifi/options?
I have turned that off now and rebooted. I turned this off the other day without rebooting and there was no difference but will see how this goes.
Thanks.
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Made no difference. Got reduced speeds again.
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I had similar problems when my friend connected a Blackberry Z10 to my router, constantly dropping out after about half an hour of connection, so try this:
I found that my at the time SGS2, could only connect in 'g' mode, whereas her BB was connecting in 'n'. I believe this was confusing the crappy B.T. router I have, so I changed the settings of the router to only accept 'g' connections. Problem solved for me.
Worth a try anyway. Especially if the other devices connecting to your router are a bit older and only use a 'g' connection.
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There are no drops in WiFi, it just slows. All my other devices are N too.
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Odd, I don't have this problem. The wifi a runs at full speed even in low signal areas. Maybe it's something to do with the router?
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I have this on my home WiFi with both the Nexus 4 and the Nexus 5. Both are connected to 5GHz 802.11n on a dual-band Netgear N600/WNDR3700.
Performing a test just after boot, the speeds reported by Ookla's speed test app are:
Nexus 4: 46Mbps dl / 12Mbps ul
Nexus 5: 82Mbps dl / 12Mbps ul
After some period of time, the results (recalling from memory) change to:
Nexus 4: 2Mbps dl / 11Mbps ul
Nexus 5: 2Mbps dl / 11Mbps ul
If I switch off WiFi and then switch it back on again, each phone will then return to its previous higher speeds.
Never have figured out exactly what triggers the slow-down; my best guess is that it's something to do with the phone going into deep sleep, or perhaps related to power-saving functions on the router.
A Linux-based laptop is connected to the same AP and I don't notice any issue with that. Don't recall the Nexus 7 having any issues either (though that can only connect to the 2.4GHz radio).
I didn't notice this on my N4, but I never checked, and in retrospect I remember having some problems streaming video when you normally would think the connection would be OK. Will give Google a call.
The problem exists on my home router, an access point I also have in the house (different manufacturer) and at work (different again).
Have tried changing to 2.4 GHz only but no luck.
Thanks.
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People had EXACTLY the same problem when Nexus 10 just came out.
If interested here is the thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2124485
Basically, google had to release a fix to solve this problem.
I'm noticing slow WiFi as well on my Nexus 5, with Netgear APs at home.
Also the 4G is weird - here in the UK, upload remains strong but download is slower than other phones running the same speedtest from the same location and a fair bit slower.
Will hold off judgement for now though.
Got an ASUS router at work so gonna test that.
It will not see the 5GHZ band on my Netgear WNDR4500 at all though - then again neither will my Nexus 7 2013
(My Nexus 4 does see the 5GHZ band SSID however then again probably due to different WiFi chipset or something)
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I'm noticing slow WiFi as well on my Nexus 5, with Netgear APs at home.
Also the 4G is weird - here in the UK, upload remains strong but download is slower than other phones running the same speedtest from the same location and a fair bit slower.
Will hold off judgement for now though.
Got an ASUS router at work so gonna test that.
It will not see the 5GHZ band on my Netgear WNDR4500 at all though - then again neither will my Nexus 7 2013
(My Nexus 4 does see the 5GHZ band SSID however then again probably due to different WiFi chipset or something)
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Yeah been testing 4G on Vodafone today vs an iPhone 5S - getting consistently slower download speeds in the same locations on the same speedtest servers.
Has anyone else tried using the N5 in and around London on a 10mhz 800 band network (so basically Vodafone or O2)
Also is the 5Ghz 20mhz ? I seem to be getting 70mbit download on a 1000mbit connection
5ghz works on an ASUS router but seems to just be completely absent on Netgear routers (sure its a 20/40/Auto/Band setting somewhere)
Having called Google and tried the suggest factory reset, problem persists so will call again and likely try a replacement.
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Having called Google and tried the suggest factory reset, problem persists so will call again and likely try a replacement.
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I wouldn't bother with RMA.
Same problem was in Nexus 10 when it came out.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47178847&postcount=10
A software update fixed it.
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After being connected to WiFi for a while the wifi speeds drop to less than a quarter of their normal speeds, e.g. at home 6 Mbps drops to 1.4 Mbps. It is the same at work connecting to an enterprise level AP (although speed drop is 30 Mbps to about 5 so less of a problem).
I know it is device related as other devices tested at the same time are at the right speed.
Toggling WiFi off then on again returns everything to normal speed. Anyone else?
It's like it reverts to power saving mode. Didn't have this problem with my 4 or current N7.
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i have the same problem. it also affects LTE. both cut down by a third or so after some unknown amount of time.
I don't have access to LTE, so can't comment there. I will be getting a replacement tomorrow and will report back then if it is fixed.
Also keen to see if the battery is any better in the replacement. Reports seem to vary wildly on these forums and in reviews but my finding is that the battery is no better then the N4 battery in any way.
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Have y'all had Android devices in the past? As in, have y'all had Google accounts to which you've backed up your data (e.g. WiFi credentials) that automatically were transferred over to your new device?
I ask this, because I had to do a factory reset and prevented Google from backing up my data and preventing automatic restore (e.g. I unchecked "Back up my data" and "Automatic restore" before I did a factory reset).
There seems to be an issue where the restored WiFi settings don't sit well with the new device, and you have to manually input your WiFi credentials and have the Nexus 5 configure it from anew. It may also help with slow connection speeds and connection issues in general since I found that after I did this, my connection strength increased (qualitatively; I haven't done quantitative analysis) and the range at which it still connects to WiFi has increased.
Here are some links to the issue that I, personally, have run into, but near the end of the second issue tracker, someone has ADB commands that essentially accomplish the same thing (i.e. wiping all stored WiFi data)
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=58230
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=61945
Might be something to try before you send it into RMA (since it will take like, 2-3 weeks to get the replacement phone, and even then it sounds like this is a purely software issue).
EDIT: Note, that unchecking the "Backup data" and "Automatic restore" (I think doing the former will automatically grey out the Automatic restore option anyways) means you will have to reinstall all your applications manually one by one. This is probably easier if you just log onto a computer and have Google Play in a browser to download it to your device.
Furthermore, my specific issue didn't lay with slow WiFi speeds, but rather with the inability for the Nexus 5 to automatically reconnect to a WiFi router once it exited and reentered range. It was also unable to manually connect to the router unless I cycled WiFi or Airplane mode (or reboot the phone).
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Have y'all had Android devices in the past? As in, have y'all had Google accounts to which you've backed up your data (e.g. WiFi credentials) that automatically were transferred over to your new device?
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I always choose not to restore my backed up settings to a new device, and so manually create the WiFi connections. Doesn't appear to make any difference in my case.
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I had a similar question, but I just want to know why I see 72 Mb/s connection in the info, instead of 150 or 300? Asus RT-N66U with Merlin firmware, 802.11n only, 40MHz bandwidth (but also tried 20/40MHz). All computers show 150/270/300 (I know these are just theoretical). My wireless desktop can transfer a file at 10MB/s...the N5 (and a 2012 N7, 2013 N7, GNex, and Nexus S) do about 2MB/s.
I'm having exactly the same issues as t2002 and TheFluffyOne - Just after booting I'll get >10mbps dl but after an hour or two if I run the speedtest app again it will have slowed down to <2mbps. It's horribly frustrating, hopefully it's just a software issue and will be patched soon.
Hey guys, so I have had my m8 ever since it came out in March and have LOVED it. Issue I'm having is as the title said, my WiFi is SLOW!! On all WiFi networks I've been on. Specifically my home network, as it's usually what I'm using. As compared to my lte connection and other phones connections anyways. It's always been kinda slow with WiFi, never knew why.. my normal speeds is around 3-15 mbps. Once in a blue moon i will see 25 download speed randomly. I think it's been getting progressively worse as it used to be bearable. But every now and then it's just horrible! I will attach a screen shot I just took with it connected to my home WiFi (50mbps Comcast). About 30 feet away from router (Linksys WRT1900AC). Less than a mbps down and up speeds. Ping ranging from 30 to 200 sometimes. Standing exactly where I was when I tested that, a s5 active got 39 and 12 and a iPhone 6 got 47 and 9 pings both below 40. And when close to the router, both of those phones get all the WiFi! Between 50-60 mbps... With 4g like 30 seconds after that test I got 54 mbps download speed.
Anyone had issues like this before? any fixes you've heard of? Thanks for reading guys
Btw. Phone is completely stock. Never attempted to root it or anything.
What Firmware, radio and rom are you on? Are you s-off?
Phone is completely stock sir. Running Verizon 4.4.4. No s off or roms installed
Same Issue!
I'm having the exact same issue. WiFi is dreadfully slow on all networks. Tried factory reset, and upgrade to Lollipop and still have the issue. I used to love this phone but now I'm about ready to throw it against the wall because of this issue. Example, this page took 4 minutes to load completely.
HTC One M8 from Verizon running 5.0.1.
Magreevy said:
I'm having the exact same issue. WiFi is dreadfully slow on all networks. Tried factory reset, and upgrade to Lollipop and still have the issue. I used to love this phone but now I'm about ready to throw it against the wall because of this issue. Example, this page took 4 minutes to load completely.
HTC One M8 from Verizon running 5.0.1.
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Install dnset from the play store and activate it. Then try surfing. Report back if it helps.