3G data performance - Touch Pro, Fuze General

Hi All
I changed from a SE p1i to a HTC Touch Pro. In terms of phone easiness and functionalities I lost a lot but in terms of HW I though I gained a lot. However I started to realise that although it has HSDPA and HSUPA the internet over 3G was very, very slow. I sent it to repair and come exactly the same. The best speed I can get is 61Kbps DL when 3G provides 384Kbps and HSDPA 7.2Mbps. Since the latency is very very high, I cannot get the complete rendering of a complex page if the http server gives time-out too early. Using the PC with the VPN is a nightmare.
A friend of mine that is a radio engineer in Nokia told me that this is a "well know problem of Windows Mobile that cannot cipher/decipher the 3G radio packets in real time". I searched on the internet and couldn't find nothing however I tried several HTC and Samsung phones with Windows Mobile, on several operators and countries and all are very very slow. And comparing them with the SE pi1 that worked like a clock... until it broke :-D
Henrique

I think you will find you are getting 61 kiloBYTES per second which equates to 488 Kbps, I use it with VPN and it's great, how are you connecting your PC to your phone, hopefully not via internet connection sharing or it will fail the VPN security check and boot you off quickly

Hi Everyone,
I too was noticing speed issues and they are for sure there. People on these boards have been seeing upto 2Mbit downloads speeds so it can be done. As my sig shows I got 1.7Mbit with 1-2 "H" bars.
I loaded a new radio on mine and that seemed to almost double my bandwidth, I was using the standard .32 radio and was getting around 600 to 700Kbit and then switched to the .28 radio and was getting 1100 to 1300Kbit. Only do your speed tests by tether unless you feel you have a good mobile website to do your testing. I was using www.dslreports.com/mspeed but the results are junk, theirs servers are not able to supply enough bandwidth for a good test.
Secondly I installed a new ROM, specifically I am using NATF's 2.3. This will make the phone way faster in terms of performance. It also allows me to tether via the USB and use my VPN without any problems.
I have an AT&T data card for my laptop (it's a work thing) and I get equal coverage/speed on the fuze as I do on this dedicated device, that is without the radio change that is.
Give the above items a try, the information for making the changes can be found in the ROM development area

Thanks All
Thanks for the feedback guys.
I used GoToMyHelp.com to make the test and provide me the results in both Kbps and KBps... 7.6KBps they said... GPRS speed.
With 3G only the results vary from 17Kbps to 60Kbps, when I turn HSDPA on I always get 61Kbps... looks like the phone cannot handle more than one major WCDMA code with the most robust and slowest modulation code...
But if people reported higher speeds then it means I really have an HW problem and so I have to insist with the service centre... I guess...
Henrique

But...
Although from the comments received looks like the problem is more acute on my device I tried a Samsung with Windos Mobile 6.1 and it is as slow as mine... I think it is too much coincidence.
Does anyone has any information regarding the so called "well known limitation of the cipher/deciphering in real time of windows mobile?
Thanks for any feedback...
Henrique

i get from 800kpb - 1000
never tested upload.
is tehre another test?

I only trust speedtest.net through a hardline tether (not bt) for speed test results. This moves as much processing power as possible from the phone to a full fledged computer, reducing such variables as screen drawing speed, free memory, cpu utilization, etc.
I find the fuze to perform almost exactly in line with my 881u (best speed ive seen on that is just over 2400 down, 900 up) - the only discernable difference is latency, slightly better on 881u (which is to be expected as there isnt ICS running as a proxy in such a situation)
As to the fastest speed you'll see on the device itself, I have not been able to clock over 1700 on speedtest.net running in flash lite 3.1 in opera mobile on my wifi, where i score 5500+ on the computer, so i think testing via phone's browser is not a very good measurement.

I don't know, I just switched my Settings > Phone > Band to GSM to see if it saves substantial battery, opposed to the 3G and even further "H" icon HSxPA I was using before.
The "E" icon GSM-Edge doesn't seem to slow down my Google Maps updates very much.

Thanks
Thank you all for sharing your experience.
The tests I made were using the phone as a modem via USB, so the processing on the phone was at a minimum.
The site I indicated before, GoToMyHelp.com, is used by a Firefox extension I have. After trying several sites this was the one that always gave me the best perceptible match between the browsing experience and the measured figures...
Now comes the hard part to convince the customer services that the phone has problems...
Henrique

I think I have the same problem. I am getting crazy low speeds on G and H, 30Kbit/sec and 60 Kbit/sec respectively. I have tried various tweaks found on the forums, I've flashed a couple of cooked roms and various radios but can't get it any higher. I've tried the SIM in the wifes iphone so I am sure that it's not a problem with that.
Let us know how you get on, are you going to call HTC direct or go through the company you bought it from?

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I think I have the same problem. I am getting crazy low speeds on G and H, 30Kbit/sec and 60 Kbit/sec respectively. I have tried various tweaks found on the forums, I've flashed a couple of cooked roms and various radios but can't get it any higher. I've tried the SIM in the wifes iphone so I am sure that it's not a problem with that.
Let us know how you get on, are you going to call HTC direct or go through the company you bought it from?
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im getting 820kb/s in a suburaban area. It works great. Did you enable HSPDA. AT&T turns HSPDA by default (probobly to save bandwidth). All you have to do is fix it...im not sure how search the forum. I am using DA_G Clean fuze rom and it has it built into the ROM

OMG i just tethered my PC and I got some crazy speeds
And that was the lowest one. It went all the way up to 1900..obviously it flutuates a lot but it is still leveling off around 15k....which is crazy because I only have TWO bars!
this is my home
Its crazy that my phone gets speeds half as fast as my DSL and it only has two bars and im in the suburbs!

i tried iphonespeedtest.com on 1.07 proven and got about 400 at highest
tried it when i used his 1.08 i got 1200 kbps
its sick
Northern VA area

Is it possible that while tethered the phone is capable of more data throughput that isn't possible while browsing on the phone? Similar to the problem of encrypted WiFi being slow due to the processor load of encrypting and decrypting data.
From a technical standpoint when you're tethered all the phone does is pass data from the 3G connection to the USB port. The only processing needed is basic lower level networking to re-address the data packets to a new port, thus the processor has a low load and can dedicate more cycles to simply moving data. The phone can focus all of it's power on getting the fastest connection with the 3G tower.
But when you browse on the phone the processor needs to terminate the data packet and unload it into a program. On top of that even more processor power goes towards running the program itself that is using the data. Since the processor is busy multitasking by running a program, terminating data packets, and trying to maintain a connection with the 3G tower, it's more likely to drop packets or lose it's connection.
This would also explain why you lose that weak 3G connection and drop to EDGE when you open a program that has high processor demands.

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[Q] Fuze 3G/HSDPA Speeds?

Hey guys,
What speeds do you get on your fuze?
I check on http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed
and it shows that i'm getting about 663 kbps
I did this test next to my coworker with an iPhone 3G and that darn thing returned double (1200 kbps) of what i got
are all of you getting about 600 or 1200(1.2mbps)?
is he doing the iphone test or the reg m test? i get a higher speed when i dl a bigger file. 1MB i got 928 with my fuze and i did the reg m test not the iphone test
I got 1660 on my fuze.
I'd just like to know who at at&t turned off the [H] speeds in the southwest Missouri area. Never had any problems with HSDPA (or whatever it is called).
On the fuze, every hack I've tried and it still refuses to pop up....just 3G.
Any ideas?
the iphone test was on testmyiphone.com
and i did the 1mb test on dslreports and got 663 ... is there anything on the fuze that would restrict the hsdpa speed?
... as for getting the H icon, just use schaps advanced config tool
First of all, the ROM on ATT's Fuze just has the 'H' icon disabled. There is a reg hack to enable it, try searching around.
That being said, I'm having major issues with the 3G speed on my Fuze.
I have a BlackJack II as well, and I can literally pop my SIM out, put it in that, and get normal decent 3G speeds. Go back to my Fuze, and it's so slow that pages often don't even load at all, and time out. I am testing with all the same websites. Even updating the weather in the TF3d panel often times out and when it does work it takes like 10 seconds per city.
Doesn't matter if I'm in Opera or IE, it's just slow as hell on the Fuze. Go back to the BlackJack, and again it's fine.
I am taking it back today, I'll try a replacement, but I am not willing to try a ROM flash because I'm afraid they won't take it back.
I'm getting 254 kbs... blazing.
814 kbps. Not bad, on HSDPA
speed issues
I am not sure if this has anything to do with it but I was looking at the connection settings that defaulted in my Fuze and the apn is ims.cingular
I am familiar with wap.cingular and I know isp.cingular ut I have never heard of ims.cingular. Would this even have any impact on this?
im getting 2600Kbps down 700Kbps up on full bars HSDPA
Im in NYC and when I dont have an active data connection it will show 2-3 bars 3G but as soon as I try and connect It'll revert to E. Is this happening to anyone else?
you know what... i'm not even using the default Fuze modem connection (the one called "MEdia Net" that has wap.cingular, username and password).
My boss and I created a new GPRS/3G modem connection without any settings on our Fuzes.... and its working for us. So i don't think that has anything to do with it. I think all it does is let AT&T know that you're authenticating onto their servers the the default username and password.
Go ahead and give it a shot, create a new GPRS/3G modem connection and name it whatever you want. Go through the steps and leave everything blank. The 3G/HSPDA will work fine, at least for us....
On my Fuze, forced to do the 1MB test, with 3G, I got:
1345 kbit/sec
0.32s latency
6.363s d/l time.again.
My FUZE with Romeos ROM is reaching HSDPA at pretty damn low speeds on AT&T 3G...
Avg between 300-700 on dslreports.com/mspeed. Usually somewhere around 500kbps.
If I swap out my SIM and put it into my X1i, I get between 800-1300kbps in the same location a minute later!
Absurd. Really, really absurd. Something is wrong here. Either the radio, or some software setting, or, even perhaps a hardware limitation is causing the FUZE to get much slower speeds than other HTC made phones...
I also have an I-Mate 9502 which gets the same range of speeds my X1i gets. Tested my buddys Tilt, and he was getting between 750-1000kbps...
Any ideas? Anyone have similar issues in the U.S.?
Thanks for confirming my suspicions that the G3/H on this phone is the same.
As for the Fuze, like my other HTC phones, I have trouble getting bars while other peeps with other phones on ATT get full bars. I wonder if it's the antenna? I wonder if HTC does a bad job with them?
Yesterday I had to revert to a 2 year old SonyEricsson K800 just to keep myself from dropping calls.
I'm beginning to think that it's the antenna, and not just some funky AT&T control. I used to regedit tweaks to enable HSDPA and its icon and the best result I've ever returned was around 660kb/s down. Also of note is that it didn't matter how many bars I had; one test with 1 bar returned a down speed 200kb/s faster than a test I did with four bars.
I really want to like this phone but it's getting too wonky for me.
Well, I went and exchanged my Fuze today for another one. I must admit it seems to be working a lot better. At first it wasn't, but after using it a while it is now reasonable. For now anyway. It's still not as fast as my BlackJack II, but it is at least working, which is more than I can say for the one I returned.
Earlier, I was trying to get a speed report on dslreports.com/mspeed, and it kept saying that it was invalid test on the 1MB because it was too quick (1.4 seconds), ironically.
I'm still not sure I trust this phone. I might try RomeOS now that I know I can flash back to stock ROM if I need to return.
Maybe the Epix will be OK for now until the X1 is out.
I'm going to do some dslreports testing and compare to the BlackJack II from the same spot, will post up.
Test Results
Well, here's the results of the testing. Unbelievable. This is with a "3G" connection. Granted it's in my apt, but my other phones work in here. I did a bunch of tests with each phone, my Fuze and a Blackjack II. These were all done within a few minutes of each other from the exact same location (my couch, LOL) using the same SIM. I'll try more tests tomorrow from a better location, maybe I'll go to Fullerton as another member here posted he got awesome HSDPA speeds there.
I did these from http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed and most did not work on 100k, they gave the error "unstable or too fast results" so I'd go up to 200k or 1MB.
First the Fuze (in succession):
100k:
74 kbit/sec
0.647s latency
11.41s d/l time
100k:
too fast- 1.99s
200k:
188 kbit/sec
0.703s latency
9.188s d/l time
100k:
48 kbit/sec
4.23s latency
17.215s d/l time
100k:
57 kbit/sec
0.762s latency
14.777s d/l time
100k:
72 kbit/sec
0.707s latency
11.804s d/l time
Then the Blackjack II (in succession):
100k:
too fast - 0.41s
200k:
too fast - 0.567s
1MB:
761 kbit/sec
0.103s latency
10.681s d/l time
1MB:
too fast - 1.484s
1MB:
411 kbit/sec
0.161s latency
19.977s d/l time
1MB:
unstable / too fast result
1MB:
unstable / too fast result
100k:
unstable / too fast a result
1MB:
unstable / too fast a result
So you can see that the Fuze is abysmal. For some reason I kept getting that weird error result. On the BJ it just stopped working after a while, but I was still able to browse to pages just fine. In fact on the Fuze, I can't even load Gmail usually at all, so I went to it on the BJ after these tests and it came up and loaded instantly.
I am not pleased. I think we should also post our ROM versions. Someone else thought maybe ATT imposed a limit of some kind (I can't see how they could limit it this bad, from a business point, but I wouldn't put it past them). Maybe the people with just fine connections have older ROMs, pre-limited. Just a thought.
Here's my info:
ROM: 1.95.502.5 WWE (10/20/2008)
Radio: 1.02.25.32
Protocol: 52.39c.25.22H
SPL: 1.95.00.00
I really really want to like this phone and make it work. But even though this replacement is better than the first one, it's still not usable as you can tell. It does happen to have all the same ROM versions as the prior one.
Please post up similar info guys, speed test results, and your phone ROM versions, etc. To find that info, you can look in the bottom right when you first boot up the phone, and also go into Start->Settings->Phone(?), somewhere in there you'll find it.
If anything, we will document this enough to force ATT to fix it.
I'm running NATF's rom and getting decent speeds here from my house, 1400, but I have noticed that I have less connection bars that my Tilt. I've always had 4 bars here at home on the tilt, but the Fuze will drop to 3 and 2 bars sometimes. I'm not getting anywhere near the reception with the Fuze as opposed to my Tilt, so I'm thinking it's got to be an antennae problem.
I'm getting approximately the same displayed bars from my house as I was getting on my 8525; however, the Fuze seems to be performing better with that displayed signal strength. That is, I frequently got drop-outs in certain parts of the house with the 8525; with the Fuze, I don't believe I have heard a drop-out in the five days I've had it.
I did a couple of speedtest runs this morning sitting in my car waiting for someone; one was 1260 kbps, the other 1450. I certainly can't complain about the speed.

Does ATT throttle download speeds?

My speeds never go higher than 300 kbps on my Fuze, my Tilt, or BJ. Ive switched radios, ROMS, and sim cards but my speed continues to suck. The only other thing I can think of is that my speed is being limited. Does anyone know if they throttle speeds?
AT&T does not throttle download speeds. What you're experiencing is more than likely due to poor 3G reception in your area or an edge connection. Does your phone show a "3G" icon or an "E" icon?
If it is an E icon, you are connecting to EDGE, which means you probably won't get anything faster. If it says 3G, you've got a poor 3G connection and your area. Either way, there's not really anything you can do about it, unfortunately.
Sorry.
It doesnt matter what my location is. I live in NYC and have 3 - 5 bars of HSDPA everywhere I go. Turning off HSDPA and using 3g doesnt help either.
behrouz said:
It doesnt matter what my location is. I live in NYC and have 3 - 5 bars of HSDPA everywhere I go. Turning off HSDPA and using 3g doesnt help either.
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AT&T's 3G <i>is</i> HSDPA. By turning off HSDPA you're effectively disabling 3G. Keep HSDPA enabled and you should be all right.
Though you have a Touch Pro 2, which is a European model, and therefore not compatible with US 3G. The fix should work with a US Touch Pro, however.
Im using a Fuze. I plan on getting a TP2 when it (eventually) comes out. HSDPA and 3G are not the same. Enabling or disabling HSDPA disables HSDPA only and not 3G. Ive had the phone since November (and a tilt tweaked the ef out as well) and have done every tweak you could think of to it so Im not some dumb noob.
When youre used to getting pretty decent speeds (1000kbps-1500kbps) and all of a sudden cant even reach 350kbps regardless of device and location it makes you wonder wtf is going on.
i live in nyc myself and i think something is up with att network and they just not telling us cuz my speed do sometimes just decrease to crap randomly and sometimes it doesnt work at all period but thats very rare, sometimes annoying
Manhattan here. Can affirm the same. Used to be able to get over 2mbps on my Tilt. Now I'm impressed if I clear 800k at night. And during business hours the network is too slow to listen to a Sirius stream. Sometimes in edge territory and I too am no noob and have tried so many things I made a damn website about it.
I believe att is engaging in some kind of throttling or shaping or they are simply short on bandwidth, at least in our neighborhood, based on extensive testing, the biggest clues being better performance the further away from business hours. And the situation appears to be getting steadily worse. Put it this way, several months ago I wasn't experimenting with header compression and packet MTU sizes just to listen to Howard. Now I have to go with the low bandwidth stream.
Not cool, at&t, step your game up. We're noticing.
In addition to testing all the different radios and different devices I've used a variety of testing methods, reliable ones, and I even paid up for the isp.cingular wap which ain't better at the moment.
HSDPA is a type of 3G connection. It's the kind AT&T uses for their network.
To quote from AT&T's website:
"The AT&T 3G network uses HSDPA/UMTS technology (High Speed Downlink Packet Access/Universal Mobile Telephone System), which makes it possible to enjoy a variety of feature-rich wireless services. It also gives AT&T the advantage of offering simultaneous voice and data services. That means you can talk and use the Internet at the same time. How's that for multitasking?"
To use 3G on AT&T, you must have HSDPA enabled. As for your signal crapping out like that, what's probably happening is just a network bog down. In major metros, when a lot of people are connecting, it can cause speeds all around to drop. It's just the nature of cellular technology.
And I'm not out of my element, btw. I work for AT&T.
xxbadsushixx, I hope you are right. This would only go to prove the whole, post count shows how smart you are, theory that everyone seems to have.
but to not make a useless post: I also believe that it has to do with where you live, and whether you are in a metro or rural area. Here in Orlando, if I am downtown on a friday night, 700+k is rare. When I get to my house 1000+k is easy.
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xxbadsushixx, I hope you are right. This would only go to prove the whole, post count shows how smart you are, theory that everyone seems to have.
but to not make a useless post: I also believe that it has to do with where you live, and whether you are in a metro or rural area. Here in Orlando, if I am downtown on a friday night, 700+k is rare. When I get to my house 1000+k is easy.
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That's normal. I actually had the same issue, and customer complaints about it. I did some research, and it basically comes down to a single tower has a set bandwith. Lets pretend a tower has a max connection of 50mbps. if 50 people connect to it, they're pulling 1mbps each. if 100 people connect, they're pulling 500kbps each. It all comes down to what kind of load the tower can handle. If a tower gets too bogged down, it can hand off excess connections to another nearby tower, but if a single area has a significant number of connections, everyone suffers.
Think of it as going into a crowded coffee shop and everyone is using the wifi. Too many people connecting and using it at once, speed drops. That's almost exactly what's happening now to you guys.
For the record, my connection pulls about 500kbps at work, but at home almost 1.5mbps at home.
HSDPA and 3G ARE NOT the same..HSDPA is in essence 3.5 G..look it up and test it out..use the disable hsdpa regedit or use advanced config...and disable HSDPA..youl notice you wont (well in the past before speeeds went down the drain) get above 600kbps but enable HSDPA and you would hit iver 1mb..so they are different in every way...also this isnt att throttling..this all happened with the iphone 3g came out..i noticed the day it came out and the only time id get back full bandwidth (over 1mb) was at 4 am lol..sooo thank the iphone 3g users for stealing our bandwidth and soon att will push out 4g which will be wimax i think...but hsdpa is upto 7.5mbps even though att hasnt utilized the protocols speed capabilities because they need to upgrade all their towersbut they are only utilizing 3.5mb hspda right now
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That's normal. I actually had the same issue, and customer complaints about it. I did some research, and it basically comes down to a single tower has a set bandwith. Lets pretend a tower has a max connection of 50mbps. if 50 people connect to it, they're pulling 1mbps each. if 100 people connect, they're pulling 500kbps each. It all comes down to what kind of load the tower can handle. If a tower gets too bogged down, it can hand off excess connections to another nearby tower, but if a single area has a significant number of connections, everyone suffers.
Think of it as going into a crowded coffee shop and everyone is using the wifi. Too many people connecting and using it at once, speed drops. That's almost exactly what's happening now to you guys.
For the record, my connection pulls about 500kbps at work, but at home almost 1.5mbps at home.
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If that was the case I wouldn't be so upset but its not. For example I was in a part of the city I don't usually hang around last night and opened up google maps (in a very drunk stupor) I had to wait an unacceptably long time for it find a route and load up the images. Granted it was NYC but it was also 4AM(!). Just how many iPhone users are chewing through data at 4am?
I believe att throttles 3g. My fuze has never produced a d/l speed above 350-450. Placing same sim in n-95-3 shows 1400 in the same location. Just my observation. Can't prove it. But I believe it.
u guys are confusing hsupa with HSPDA with HSUPA they are different,
HSUPA is faster than HSPDA, wich is the same as 3g
Unlocking the HSUPA is makes the connection noticeablly faster.. It is disabled by default on the FUZE
wiki it up if u need to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Packet_Access
lol hsupa IS FOR uplink ONLY hence the U instead of a D..same as uoploading..so yes web pages may load faster but speed tests and downloads will show nop change in downlink speed
You are all crazy
3G is UMTS...max speed of 384 if I remeber correctly.
3G can also be HSDPA if enabled in your area. Currently I believe this to be capped on phones at 1.2 and on laptop cards at 1.6. This also might change is you use isp.cingular...the tower may think you are a laptop card.
Think of the two HSxPA protocols as tower based upload/download compression algorithms for UMTS and you'll pretty much have a grasp of it. While not strictly correct in the truest sense of the definition, using this analogy will help understand 3G and 3.5G.
If you have no HSxPA, but a 3G connection then your raphael displays 3G all the time. HSDPA only enabled is indicated by an "H" icon appearing when your device is actually downloading data. Both HSDPA and HSUPA will be shown by a constant "H" being displayed.
AT&T's network works just fine with these protocols turned off.

Data speeds vs sprint

For $35 a month for technically sprint i will plunk down $300 for this beauty but how fast are the downloads?
Seems faster than my tmobile vibrant 3g was.
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it all depends on service and tower loads.. like at around 6pm i get 300kbps and at 6am i get 1400-1500 kbps... right now its 8:30am and im getting 850kbps... so it all depends sometimes i get 100kbps all the way down to 30kbps.. but the triumph was faster than my Buddy droid x and he had two bars i only had one.. at least 3 times faster ( both on 3g)
I was on SERO 500, and my Sprint phone died, so I want to upgrade to SEROP, but calling Sprint (5 times, they know what is SEROP but would not give it to me), email ecare (3 times, then no one reply anymore). So I am now on VM $25 plan w/ Triumph.
The phone itself is just like any other Android phone. At home, I get almost no Data. Phone and SMS go thru no problem. Google Map, Browser, Youtube 90% of the time would not load, and complaint no connection. When I walk out of the apartment building Data works.
The problem is, my old Sprint phone is Touch Pro, and it got perfect Data.
So does Sprint has any special rule for VM phone? Since I am new to VM and Android, I am reading now how to update PRL.
the main difference is that sprint plans allow roaming on verizon towers. otherwise, the data speeds are the same. any speed difference you're seeing is likely caused by device differences (e.g. antenna, radio, ...)
VM doesn't roam, so it will never have as good reception as a sprint (or AT&T or Verizon) phone. Part of that $80-$100 a month you are paying them is for roaming access fees between the carriers.
Long and short of it is if you want the bet reception and data speeds, you need to pay for it. You aren't going to get top notch network performance for $25 a month.
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VM doesn't roam, so it will never have as good reception as a sprint (or AT&T or Verizon) phone. Part of that $80-$100 a month you are paying them is for roaming access fees between the carriers.
Long and short of it is if you want the bet reception and data speeds, you need to pay for it. You aren't going to get top notch network performance for $25 a month.
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Agreed, but you can get get top notch service for $35 a month. In some areas the best signal for a Sprint phone will be from Sprint towers; in that case, a Virgin phone (using only Sprint towers) will get the same service as a Sprint phone unless the actual phones are different.
I disagree. I have the phone and the web browsing speed was horrible as well as the download speed for apps. You guys may have towers closer to you. I stay in washington, dc. I did the prl swap, now i feel as though my data speeds are much faster, possible 300% more faster. I browse facebook, zoom! check out a youtube vid and no buffering on a 6minute video. If you have slow data speeds do the prl swap! You will appreciate the phone much more!
http://androidforums.com/triumph-all-things-root/395533-big-difference-data-speeds.html
Which PRL did you use, hitsndc? 01115? 01119? 01120? These are the 3 PRL's I've seen mentioned across the forums.
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Which PRL did you use, hitsndc? 01115? 01119? 01120? These are the 3 PRL's I've seen mentioned across the forums.
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I used 01115
I just swapped to 01115; will advise if it makes a difference. I also attempted to force the phone into EvDO-only mode in the build.prop file - that MAY make a significant difference in places where the radio "hunts", which mine DOES when mobile.
If it works I'll post a "how to" which is more-or-less like what's been posted, with one exception - there's an easy way to get the phone to ALWAYS have the diag enabled using "anycut".
Update: EVDO-only lock is NOT effective, however with 01115 the phone re-selects to 3G much more reliably and quickly than with the base PRL and is also connecting to towers it never did before (as shown in "Open Signal"), so at least here it appears to be an improvement.
I swapped to 01115 myself.
Speed test are about the same, which I understood would be the case. As long as my connection is more consistent, I'd be happy. I've had a couple dropped calls. Will have to wait and see with this PRL.
I should check Google maps to see if it detects me closer/more accurately. I've had times where it was miles off, when I know there are towers closer. So hopefully I have better access to the closer towers.
Would still like to know the difference between the PRL's (01115, 01119, 01120, or any others that would work with the Triumph).
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I just swapped to 01115; will advise if it makes a difference. I also attempted to force the phone into EvDO-only mode in the build.prop file - that MAY make a significant difference in places where the radio "hunts", which mine DOES when mobile.
If it works I'll post a "how to" which is more-or-less like what's been posted, with one exception - there's an easy way to get the phone to ALWAYS have the diag enabled using "anycut".
Update: EVDO-only lock is NOT effective, however with 01115 the phone re-selects to 3G much more reliably and quickly than with the base PRL and is also connecting to towers it never did before (as shown in "Open Signal"), so at least here it appears to be an improvement.
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Thanks for sharing, with regards to locking into 3G more reliably, do the phone signal decibel levels improve as well? And how about voice quality?
Voice quality was never an issue here - this phone is capable of holding a voice call and being stable when it shows ZERO bars, which none of my other handsets have ever done.
The big difference I see is that there are other towers that now appear in the neighbor list and the handset does connect to them where it didn't before, so I am definitely "seeing" connection sources that I didn't know existed in the past.
It hasn't made a material difference in data rate performance that I can see from my house - the real test will be whether it makes a difference of materiality when I'm in the car and such, which is where I've seen a lot of "hunting" down to 1x and "sticking" there. We'll see if that is gone or not.
I'm keeping 1115 for now but have the original PRL in the event I need to go back to it.
Once I swapped my prl and added the EvDo line my Data more than doubled in speed. Like hitsndc said I am now able to stream a whole 4 min video with no buffer. Once I removed that line it would stop every few seconds. Added the line, back to no Buffer. I tried this a few times before I came to the conclusion that it did make a difference.
Once I updated the PRL I used opensignal from the market to see my towers and now I was locked on to a tower close to me that wasnt even showing up on the map before.
Im alot happier with my phone now. Once we get 2.3 on here Ill be good
Where did you put the EVDO line? In build.prop? That's where I stuck it - it made no difference for me; I still occasionally "hunt" to 1x service, but the PRL change DID make a difference as I now "see" towers (and connect to them) that I wasn't before.
Look guys I only had one bar.
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T-mobile EDGE faulty or WP7 Browser sucks?

I have a Samsung Focus mango and my wife has the LG quantum mango. We are both on T-mobile, so we get EDGE rather than 3G. But we are always frustrated by the web browsing experience. Almost every page buffers up to 90% (very quickly I might add), then it hangs there forever. Is there something wrong? We get the same results whether we are using the desktop or mobile version settings.
same for me tmobile and htc mozart. i thought about calling tmob because of the bad experience. but maybe its wp7....
Three, UK and Giffgaff, UK - no browser issues other than a massive battery drain using Tango builds.
HD7 (so, natively a T-Mobile device) and EDGE works for me. The page load does sometimes time out, but very rarely on EDGE. Even if it drops all the way to "plain" 2G, I can still usually load pages. If it drops fully to GSM, then not so much.
Where are you trying to browse? Just because there's a strong signal available doesn't mean that the bandwidth is also available. For example, a stadium or convention center that is packed with people will give a really awful browsing experience just because so many people are trying to use the same bandwidth.
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HD7 (so, natively a T-Mobile device) and EDGE works for me. The page load does sometimes time out, but very rarely on EDGE. Even if it drops all the way to "plain" 2G, I can still usually load pages. If it drops fully to GSM, then not so much.
Where are you trying to browse? Just because there's a strong signal available doesn't mean that the bandwidth is also available. For example, a stadium or convention center that is packed with people will give a really awful browsing experience just because so many people are trying to use the same bandwidth.
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I'm usually on the road when I use the phone here in the Bay Area, and T-mobile seems to have good signal on the highways and even in my house. Therefore, I wouldn't blame this on too many people hogging the bandwidth. However, I do notice a marked improvement when I am connected to wifi. My gripe is that even with my 150mbs Comcast home network the WP7 browser is so SLOW. All of my computers, even my very old Dell Dimension 2400, access the web at blistering speed. So how can the phone be so slow? At work we have a slightly slower wifi network, but even my co-worker with his iPhone noticed how slow my web experience is on the WP7 device (and you can imagine how bad I feel about this since I was actually trying to show off my toy). Seems like IE on WP7 really sucks, but T-mobile plays a role here too. Perhaps there's a replacement browser on the Marketplace.

[Q] Boost Wifi Speed?

I've spent days searching the internet, google, xda, several different droid forums, but I can't find a real answer to my issue...
The speed test results on my tablet are absolutely horrible. Is there any way to actually increase the DL speed at all?
I've got a pretty cheap tablet. It's a 7"Craig model CMP741e running ICS 4.0.3 AnTuTu rating 4217 (CVS Cyber Monday special).
Connectivity is a non-issue. I was connecting to my home wifi network at 65Mbps. After fiddling with my router (FiOS supplied ActionTec) and changing my broadcast channel as well as disabling "compatibility mode" to run in n only, I was able to boost that connection to 150Mbps (signal strength dropped slightly from about -45dbi to about -50dbi). Streaming media files via LAN improved, but there was no impact whatsoever on actual internet performance.
On my wireless PC I'm getting about 27M down/ 5M up acc. to Speedtest.net. While sitting right beside that computer I test my tablet and the best I'm getting is an average of about 3-4M down (peak about 12M) and a steady 5M up.
An suggestions for squeezing some more speed out of my tablet? Internet surfing is brutally slow. I get TONS of lag and ANR errors. I've tried a couple different browsers (ICS stock browser, dolphin, and chrome) but the results are always the same. I also get a ton of ANRs in the Play Store and in a lot of games.
The tablet came factory rooted, but I haven't experimented yet with any custom ROMs or MODs. I'm a Droid noob, still getting my feet wet.
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I've spent days searching the internet, google, xda, several different droid forums, but I can't find a real answer to my issue...
The speed test results on my tablet are absolutely horrible. Is there any way to actually increase the DL speed at all?
I've got a pretty cheap tablet. It's a 7"Craig model CMP741e running ICS 4.0.3 AnTuTu rating 4217 (CVS Cyber Monday special).
Connectivity is a non-issue. I was connecting to my home wifi network at 65Mbps. After fiddling with my router (FiOS supplied ActionTec) and changing my broadcast channel as well as disabling "compatibility mode" to run in n only, I was able to boost that connection to 150Mbps (signal strength dropped slightly from about -45dbi to about -50dbi). Streaming media files via LAN improved, but there was no impact whatsoever on actual internet performance.
On my wireless PC I'm getting about 27M down/ 5M up acc. to Speedtest.net. While sitting right beside that computer I test my tablet and the best I'm getting is an average of about 3-4M down (peak about 12M) and a steady 5M up.
An suggestions for squeezing some more speed out of my tablet? Internet surfing is brutally slow. I get TONS of lag and ANR errors. I've tried a couple different browsers (ICS stock browser, dolphin, and chrome) but the results are always the same. I also get a ton of ANRs in the Play Store and in a lot of games.
The tablet came factory rooted, but I haven't experimented yet with any custom ROMs or MODs. I'm a Droid noob, still getting my feet wet.
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Seeing that my home connection is 5Mbs down 1Mbs up and its pretty fast. (e.g. HD netflix, facebook in 2 seconds, and good gaming) I'm going to say that your low-cost tablet simply doesn't have the computing power to run all the javascript, render images, and all that rich web content stuff with any reasonable amount of speed.
I used to own a cheap no-name A13 tablet with very similar specs and it was very slow for browsing even though things like netflix worked reasonably well. But now I have a nexus 7 and everything is great.
Pariah5150 said:
I've spent days searching the internet, google, xda, several different droid forums, but I can't find a real answer to my issue...
The speed test results on my tablet are absolutely horrible. Is there any way to actually increase the DL speed at all?
I've got a pretty cheap tablet. It's a 7"Craig model CMP741e running ICS 4.0.3 AnTuTu rating 4217 (CVS Cyber Monday special).
Connectivity is a non-issue. I was connecting to my home wifi network at 65Mbps. After fiddling with my router (FiOS supplied ActionTec) and changing my broadcast channel as well as disabling "compatibility mode" to run in n only, I was able to boost that connection to 150Mbps (signal strength dropped slightly from about -45dbi to about -50dbi). Streaming media files via LAN improved, but there was no impact whatsoever on actual internet performance.
On my wireless PC I'm getting about 27M down/ 5M up acc. to Speedtest.net. While sitting right beside that computer I test my tablet and the best I'm getting is an average of about 3-4M down (peak about 12M) and a steady 5M up.
An suggestions for squeezing some more speed out of my tablet? Internet surfing is brutally slow. I get TONS of lag and ANR errors. I've tried a couple different browsers (ICS stock browser, dolphin, and chrome) but the results are always the same. I also get a ton of ANRs in the Play Store and in a lot of games.
The tablet came factory rooted, but I haven't experimented yet with any custom ROMs or MODs. I'm a Droid noob, still getting my feet wet.
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You didn't search at all obviously so that was a lie or you would have can by zeps 3g supercharger and WiFi fixer it will unlock you phones true pontitial let you get the full speed of your WiFi and it works greater to and as for the lag you need to download set CPU and over clock that sucka don't you EVER EVER EVER EVER LET ANYBODY TELL YOU YOUR TABKET IS TI CHEAP OR CANT DO THAT I'm rocking a verizen fascinate 1ghz proccesor 512 mb or ram and it can beat the galaxy note in quadrant scores just with a few tweaks its Also running android 4.2.2 ITS NEVER THE HARDWARE ITS THE SOFTWARE PUT A CUSTOM ROM AND WITH EHNOUGH FORCE YOULL BE SMOKING THE GALAXY TAB
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bbrad said:
You didn't search at all obviously so that was a lie or you would have can by zeps 3g supercharger and WiFi fixer it will unlock you phones true pontitial let you get the full speed of your WiFi and it works greater to and as for the lag you need to download set CPU and over clock that sucka don't you EVER EVER EVER EVER LET ANYBODY TELL YOU YOUR TABKET IS TI CHEAP OR CANT DO THAT I'm rocking a verizen fascinate 1ghz proccesor 512 mb or ram and it can beat the galaxy note in quadrant scores just with a few tweaks its Also running android 4.2.2 ITS NEVER THE HARDWARE ITS THE SOFTWARE PUT A CUSTOM ROM AND WITH EHNOUGH FORCE YOULL BE SMOKING THE GALAXY TAB
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For the record, I wasn't lying. My head's spinning from all of the different articles/ threads/ websites I've been reading trying to figure this out. I've found a bunch of different ways to improve wifi range/connection speed, but hadn't found any way to improve internet speed. I'll look up Zeps now.
I completely agree that the vast majority of the time limits are imposed more by inferior software than the hardware itself. This thing has a decent (1.3G) processor and RAM (!G) that's why I figured it should be capable of better performance.
If you decide to use a custom rom like bbrad just suggested look for allwinner a10 roms. Basically your device is a clone of the allwinner a10 base model. If you search around there are tons of these tablets all virtually identical but with different brand names.
@aftermath If I decide to go with a custom ROM I'll keep that advice in mind and look for something A10 specific. For now I'm just trying to figure out how to get the best performance possible out of the stock ROM.
I found the OP for Zep's Supercharger... there sure is a lot of information to digest there, and I'm short on time ATM. I will definitely look into it more tonight after I get my son to bed.
As far as Wifi Fixer, I had run across that in some of my previous searches. It looks like it's more about connectivity than speed. As I stated, connectivity is not an issue. I'm using my tablet at home and have an excellent signal that never drops.
Pariah5150 said:
@aftermath If I decide to go with a custom ROM I'll keep that advice in mind and look for something A10 specific. For now I'm just trying to figure out how to get the best performance possible out of the stock ROM.
I found the OP for Zep's Supercharger... there sure is a lot of information to digest there, and I'm short on time ATM. I will definitely look into it more tonight after I get my son to bed.
As far as Wifi Fixer, I had run across that in some of my previous searches. It looks like it's more about connectivity than speed. As I stated, connectivity is not an issue. I'm using my tablet at home and have an excellent signal that never drops.
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Trust me it sppeds your speeds up it unlocks the N wireless comp ability of your tablet which means better connectivity and your max WiFi speed
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I tried WiFi Fixer, it did nothing for me. I was already on a strong wireless N connection. Still have to look into supercharger. As I said above, I just want to tweak the max possible performance out of my stock ROM before I start messing around with flashing customs. Android is new to me, so I'm going in small steps right now. I'm not in a position to replace my tablet if I brick it.
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I tried WiFi Fixer, it did nothing for me. I was already on a strong wireless N connection. Still have to look into supercharger. As I said above, I just want to tweak the max possible performance out of my stock ROM before I start messing around with flashing customs. Android is new to me, so I'm going in small steps right now. I'm not in a position to replace my tablet if I brick it.
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Cool cool and about the bricking thing I have never heard someone bricking there tablet and having to take it back if you follow the instructions you will never get a brick and if you do its usually as simple as pressing a button to get it back on stock Ron
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wifi
why my wifi is not working corectly i broke every couple of minutes and i must to reset my router?
MarciNNexT said:
why my wifi is not working corectly i broke every couple of minutes and i must to reset my router?
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You should try WiFi Fixer, that's exactly what the app is designed for. Whenever your signal gets weak/ dropped it should reconnect quickly (and could possibly cut down or eliminate the drops altogether). Try it out, hope it helps.
There are tons of threads about improving wifi connection... This thread is about improving internet connection speeds once you already have a good wifi connection.
SetDNS
After poking around some more i ran across the Set DNS app. It seems to have helped quite a bit. Over the last couple hours I've been periodically running speed tests through Dolphin and the stock ICS browser in clusters of 3-5 tests at a time. My results have improved to a pretty steady 11-12M down (from 3-4M) with occasional scores as high as 24M, and peaks pushing 30M (my full network speed). Still haven't really played with the tablet to see how it effects overall performance, but it seems like a pretty good start.

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