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I bought this phone used from craigslist and do not have service for it currently.
is my warranty still valid?
who would I contact if something decides to break?
I'm not to experienced with smartphone warranties
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NO. There is no warranty. To obtain warranty service you must prove you bought your phone through an authorized channel. Craigslist and eBay are specifically excluded from warranty coverage.
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NO. There is no warranty. To obtain warranty service you must prove you bought your phone through an authorized channel. Craigslist and eBay are specifically excluded from warranty coverage.
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can you state some sources? I doubt this doesn't have a warranty
Here is the applicable text from the warranty.
(2) The limited warranty extends only to the original purchaser of the product
and is not assignable or transferable to any subsequent purchaser/end user.
So if you bought it second hand on Craigslist or through a gray market reseller, there is no warranty.
Applicable warranty pages attached.
jboxer said:
Here is the applicable text from the warranty.
(2) The limited warranty extends only to the original purchaser of the product
and is not assignable or transferable to any subsequent purchaser/end user.
So if you bought it second hand on Craigslist or through a gray market reseller, there is no warranty.
Applicable warranty pages attached.
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Ok, so if i was able to get the original owner to call in would that work?
Would they even ask me if i was the original owner?
I believe i should have the right to a warranty
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tylerwatt12 said:
Ok, so if i was able to get the original owner to call in would that work?
Would they even ask me if i was the original owner?
I believe i should have the right to a warranty
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maybe you should of made this title hey how do i scam into a warranty.
boxer told you and showed you in writing that if you buy from an unauthorized dealer or second hand there is no manufacturers warranty.
is it right or fair maybe not but it is what it is.
Due to how you bought the phone you do not have a warranty.
If you have the original buyer say he still has the phone and gets it warrantied that would probably work.
I hate to break this to everyone, but based on what I have observed and after reading about the experiences of others... I don't think any of us have a functional warranty, regardless of where we obtained our G2xs.
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Spyvie said:
I hate to break this to everyone, but based on what I have observed and after reading about the experiences of others... I don't think any of us have a functional warranty, regardless of where we obtained our G2xs.
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dont know about functional but definaltey dysfunctional
In my experience, LG makes good washers and dryers. Maybe that should've gave me pause to think before I bought this phone.
I believe you'd still have warranty through LG, just not T-Mobile, which is a bummer.
Spyvie said:
I hate to break this to everyone, but based on what I have observed and after reading about the experiences of others... I don't think any of us have a functional warranty, regardless of where we obtained our G2xs.
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ya no kidding. After getting several G2X's with screen-bleed problem I called LG trying to get them to fix / replace it bia the warranty. Making a LONG story short - they wouldn't honor the warranty because "all the G2X's have that problem" !!! Is that f-ed up or what! They're all defective so they wont fix...hahahaha. Last thing I ever by from LG for sure.
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ya no kidding. After getting several G2X's with screen-bleed problem I called LG trying to get them to fix / replace it bia the warranty. Making a LONG story short - they wouldn't honor the warranty because "all the G2X's have that problem" !!! Is that f-ed up or what! They're all defective so they wont fix...hahahaha. Last thing I ever by from LG for sure.
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It's LG poor part choice, I remember my Zune, the OLED screen would actually light up when black in certian spots, it was very annoying. Almost every phone has it's weak spot. But what i'm concerned about is the charge port breaking, it looks very vulnerable being so thin
Just another side note. There is also a big section in the user manual's and the warranty that says if you install a non official OS the warranty is also void. So by default, 99% of anyone reading this on this forum would have no warranty even if they were the original purchaser. Yea, if you can return it to stock you should be ok, but if your beyond that you'd be screwed. I bought mine second hand and had it sent to me in Bangkok. So I knew I would have no warranty coverage here regardless of what I did with the phone (which is still stock as I haven't seen any reason to root it yet).
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Just another side note. There is also a big section in the user manual's and the warranty that says if you install a non official OS the warranty is also void. So by default, 99% of anyone reading this on this forum would have no warranty even if they were the original purchaser. Yea, if you can return it to stock you should be ok, but if your beyond that you'd be screwed. I bought mine second hand and had it sent to me in Bangkok. So I knew I would have no warranty coverage here regardless of what I did with the phone (which is still stock as I haven't seen any reason to root it yet).
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Which part of bangkok? I'm 1/2 thai
tylerwatt12 said:
Which part of bangkok? I'm 1/2 thai
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reasonably close to city center
My Thai family lives near the TPI tower
tylerwatt12 said:
My Thai family lives near the TPI tower
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In the new condo near Chan Road that just opened up about six months ago? I drive past that building quite a bit. I probably live about 1 to 2 km from that tower.
If an android product WILL NOT turn on but the warranty is void will getting insurance allow me to get another one. As i see it the product wont turn on so they cant check if it void plus insurance and warranty dont seem to be teh same thing reallllllly anyway.
otispowell said:
If an android product WILL NOT turn on but the warranty is void will getting insurance allow me to get another one. As i see it the product wont turn on so they cant check if it void plus insurance and warranty dont seem to be teh same thing reallllllly anyway.
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Android does not produce hardware. Your question is relating to an OEM...in which they all have different policies.
I also don't think insurance works on something that has already happened. It would have to happen after you purchase the insurance.
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I also don't think insurance works on something that has already happened. It would have to happen after you purchase the insurance.
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but hw would they kno
What should i do ? Basically the software has been modified and the device unlocked. I did not send my device in to do anything with software. basically all it needs is the power input replaced.. (Attached). now they are telling me the device is not under waranty do to the software, which has nothing to do with the hardware.
anyone know how to deal with these people ?
Thanks!
masvino
I understand you and i also think that it's abnormal that warranty is off when you unlock your tf700 if the issue is not hardware related, and it's also abnormal that we must unlock and install another rom to have good performance of our tab.
But at same time, the rules are not hidden by Asus and they are known by everybody : unlocking is a no go for warranty. You did unlock ? That was your choice, not Asus. It's a bit too easy to put responsability on other for your own decision.
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It really depends on where you live: I recently linked to an article explaining that in the European Union you cannot be excluded from hardware-related warranty claims just by modifying the software. I cannot vouch for other countries and/or continents.
masvino said:
What should i do ? Basically the software has been modified and the device unlocked. I did not send my device in to do anything with software. basically all it needs is the power input replaced.. (Attached). now they are telling me the device is not under waranty do to the software, which has nothing to do with the hardware.
anyone know how to deal with these people ?
Thanks!
masvino
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But you would have agreed to these terms when you unlocked your device. It's not the fairest system to begin with, no, but you signed your warranty away when you unlocked the bootloader. It was all there in the print plain to see. Hate to be blunt, but you can't complain about it after something goes wrong. It's not taking responsibility and it seems a lot of people do that on here. A manufacturer fault turns up and they question why it is the way it is when they knew the way it was when they could have prevented it.
As I said, not saying it's fair. But it is what it is. They're immovable. They have a contract with you so they won't budge if they can get $$$ out of you.
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MartyHulskemper said:
It really depends on where you live: I recently linked to an article explaining that in the European Union you cannot be excluded from hardware-related warranty claims just by modifying the software. I cannot vouch for other countries and/or continents.
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This works. Has ASUS obided by this in any cases?
CiaronDarcOne said:
But you would have agreed to these terms when you unlocked your device. It's not the fairest system to begin with, no, but you signed your warranty away when you unlocked the bootloader. It was all there in the print plain to see. Hate to be blunt, but you can't complain about it after something goes wrong. It's not taking responsibility and it seems a lot of people do that on here. A manufacturer fault turns up and they question why it is the way it is when they knew the way it was when they could have prevented it.
As I said, not saying it's fair. But it is what it is. They're immovable. They have a contract with you so they won't budge if they can get $$$ out of you.
Unless....
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This works. Has ASUS obided by this in any cases?
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Not that I know of at this point in time, but the case has been brought to a close only a short while ago (in the Netherlands). It might take a while.
The downside to this is that manufacturers may decide to permlock the bootloader -- it will take a new round of lawyer mud fights to decide if that is legally acceptable or not. Again, this discussion only applies to the European Union, and ostentatiously NOT to the US of A! Things are quite different on that side of the large pond (possibly unfortunately).
In relation to your first point, and as I posted in the thread I started on this: you cannot sigh away your legal rights by contract with a third party when that right has been secured by law. You cannot sign a document saying someone will pay you a million dollars if only you let him lock you up for a year wothout you being able to get if you so desire: incarceration is the sole privilege of the state when endorsed by law/jurisprudence; you can't sell your daughter or son (or your mother-in-law ) by contract: human trafficking is forbidden by law; etcetera, etcetera.
I wouldn't be surprised if ASUS still takes the stand that your warranty would have been voided by you unlocking the bootloader, but in essence you bought a device, you are free to do with it as you please. Ever bought a kitchen knife? Signed a contract promising not to stab anyone with it?
I don't think that there is much to be done here. When you unlocked the bootloader, you officially forfeited your warranty (coverage from both software and hardware defects). From a legal point of view, it is reasonable for ASUS to reject your warranty claim. It is an unfair system, but since we can't change the rules, we unfortunately have to follow them.
I don't get how people can think it's that absurd. If you open up ANY device, hard-or-software based, you break the seal and void the warranty. This has been the case for decades.
If you modify your Xbox software, you void the warranty. If you open up your pre-build computer or install a different version of Windows, you void the warranty. If you modify your car, you void the warranty. The difference is that Asus warns you as you do it, and everyone else puts it in the EULA which nobody reads. Have you ever read that agreement which you click 'yes I have read' on without reading? It always says the exact same thing.
I'm sorry, but voided warranty is voided warranty. It doesn't merely apply to half of the device. They didn't specify "You will void your software warranty only", the agreement concerned your entire warranty. You signed it, you agreed to it.
It has been a legal practise for many, many years. Heck my old Sony Walkman had a plastic sticker on the rim saying "if seal is broken, warranty is void." The EU has simply decided to modify the laws to fit this century. Sadly, every major non-EU company ignores the EU. Instead of the "Your warranty is void, these are the costs", they simply give you "These are the administrative costs."
Let's make it clear, that an unlock has nothing to do with the HARDWARE of the device being defective. I thought the law already applied to this on cell phones, and they overturned the cell phones rules, regarding that the company can not make you use the software on the phone, and you can apply your own software, while still retaining the warranty of the hardware. Doesn't this precedent apply ?
In fact, unlocking is doing nothing to hardware, it's only software modification, you are right about that. But the problem is that this software modification allows you to do other modifications that may break your hardware. For example you could have overclocked your tab's cpu/gpu and you cpu/gpu has heated too much and is now broken. This is an example, i am not saying you did that. Only saying that unlocking may allow the tab user to harm its hardware, and that's why unlocking voids your warranty.
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The Asus rules were right on the warning screen before you pushed the unlock button.
Sorry to say is the only way for them to honor a hardware issue after you locked it is to take them to court and have their rules changed, even if the rules as they stand are right or not.
It is unfair but they have more money for lawyers than we do.
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Let's make it clear, that an unlock has nothing to do with the HARDWARE of the device being defective. I thought the law already applied to this on cell phones, and they overturned the cell phones rules, regarding that the company can not make you use the software on the phone, and you can apply your own software, while still retaining the warranty of the hardware. Doesn't this precedent apply ?
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I'm not aware of a cell phone OEM that will let you unlock the device and keep the warranty. Are you referring to U.S. law or another country? It may be rooting the device no longer voids warranty. I've done that to my phone and TF700 without fear of warranty loss.
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I'm not aware of a cell phone OEM that will let you unlock the device and keep the warranty. Are you referring to U.S. law or another country? It may be rooting the device no longer voids warranty. I've done that to my phone and TF700 without fear of warranty loss.
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It's specific to the European Union, as I've already said above.
I also agree that they probably will not comply with these rules unless forced to in a court of law.
And @ShadowLea:
I'm sorry, but voided warranty is voided warranty. It doesn't merely apply to half of the device. They didn't specify "You will void your software warranty only", the agreement concerned your entire warranty. You signed it, you agreed to it.
It has been a legal practise for many, many years. Heck my old Sony Walkman had a plastic sticker on the rim saying "if seal is broken, warranty is void." The EU has simply decided to modify the laws to fit this century. Sadly, every major non-EU company ignores the EU. Instead of the "Your warranty is void, these are the costs", they simply give you "These are the administrative costs."
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As you already point out here -- and I think that's the sore point -- your old Sony Walkman put forward a voided warranty label because you cannot repair it yourself (according to Sony) and have nothing to do in there. The same goes for the inside of the TF700, with which we have no business. However... the software side of things was a non-issue on your Walkman, whereas it is the main issue of the rooting/jailbreaking/unlocked bootloader 'controversy'.
You rightly state that the companies just stick to the old-law values and practices, and screw the customer over in the process.
As far as the comments above with regards to ASUS clearly stating that you void the warranty by unlocking the bootloader -- and I'll say it again and again till it sinks in: in the European Union this is probably against the law. No one can make you sign anything that is extrajudicial and hold it against you in whatever scenario.
MartyHulskemper said:
It's specific to the European Union, as I've already said above.
I also agree that they probably will not comply with these rules unless forced to in a court of law.
And @ShadowLea:
As you already point out here -- and I think that's the sore point -- your old Sony Walkman put forward a voided warranty label because you cannot repair it yourself (according to Sony) and have nothing to do in there. The same goes for the inside of the TF700, with which we have no business. However... the software side of things was a non-issue on your Walkman, whereas it is the main issue of the rooting/jailbreaking/unlocked bootloader 'controversy'.
You rightly state that the companies just stick to the old-law values and practices, and screw the customer over in the process.
As far as the comments above with regards to ASUS clearly stating that you void the warranty by unlocking the bootloader -- and I'll say it again and again till it sinks in: in the European Union this is probably against the law. No one can make you sign anything that is extrajudicial and hold it against you in whatever scenario.
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Forgive me, but, I was given the device by a third party as a GIFT. I did not sign anything. If so, ASUS, must show I signed anything agreeing with any terms of the warranty. ASUS, show me my signature! The cable input I/O as they call it is broken, it has nothing to do with overclocking etc...
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Forgive me, but, I was given the device by a third party as a GIFT. I did not sign anything. If so, ASUS, must show I signed anything agreeing with any terms of the warranty. ASUS, show me my signature! The cable input I/O as they call it is broken, it has nothing to do with overclocking etc...
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Now you are just being ridiculous. Warranty is associated with the device itself, so it doesn't matter who unlocked it, as long as it is unlocked, there will be no warranty service. By using ASUS Unlocking tool (which connects to ASUS servers), the previous owner has given explicit consent to forfeiting the device's warranty. To put it simply, if you received the device unlocked from your friend as a gift, you should blame that person for giving you a device without warranty.
And it's not because you received your tab as a gift that you may have the warranty yiu want ! You didn't sign anything, don't worry the person who bought it has signed for that warranty and the warranty conditions were given to you as part of the gift.
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Now you are just being ridiculous. Warranty is associated with the device itself, so it doesn't matter who unlocked it, as long as it is unlocked, there will be no warranty service. By using ASUS Unlocking tool (which connects to ASUS servers), the previous owner has given explicit consent to forfeiting the device's warranty. To put it simply, if you received the device unlocked from your friend as a gift, you should blame that person for giving you a device without warranty.
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Ghorin said:
And it's not because you received your tab as a gift that you may have the warranty yiu want ! You didn't sign anything, don't worry the person who bought it has signed for that warranty and the warranty conditions were given to you as part of the gift.
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Again -- you guys don't seem to read -- depending on the location of the user, you may or may not be able to void the warranty: if in the European Union, warranty is a legal right and cannot be voided at all by signing anything, because that would go against said law, and therefore be illegal per se.
I cannot recall to have seen a location for the OP.
EDIT/ADDITION: being given an unlocked device is not legally different from having bought it yourself and subsequently unlocking it yourself, provided you have a receipt. If you do not have a receipt, you're screwed anyway.
Until now, that european warranty is pure legend : nobody in Europe as yet been able to win against Asus for that reason, maybe a case is in progress but not yet finisged and we don't know what will be its conclusion.
PS : i'm european (France)
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Until now, that european warranty is pure legend : nobody in Europe as yet been able to win against Asus for that reason
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Asus is irrelevant for the European warranty - the seller is responsible for all your warranty claims under this law, not the manufacturer. The manufacturer is free to offer you any additional warranty they want, under whatever conditions they want.
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Asus is irrelevant for the European warranty - the seller is responsible for all your warranty claims under this law, not the manufacturer. The manufacturer is free to offer you any additional warranty they want, under whatever conditions they want.
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Yes and no : that was always true years ago but now i'm seeing that more and more sellers are using the manufacturer warranty : they tell you that in case of issue, you have to call the manufacturer (they give you the phone number). I had that case a few months ago for a baby phone that I had bought at Amazon. After a few weeks it was not working anymore and on Amazon web site it was indicated that for this product I had to call the manufacturer (which I did and my device was replaced without any problem).
So the warranty was from my seller but the repair was done by the manufacturer. And if we go back to our tf700 tabs, what I will have with my seeler (french shop FNAC) : i give them my tab, they send it to the manufacturer that answers them that it has been unlocked and then the warranty is over, and the FNAC shop would answer me the same. ps : i have not unlocked my tab and i'm waiting that my warranty if over before i unlock it
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Again -- you guys don't seem to read -- depending on the location of the user, you may or may not be able to void the warranty: if in the European Union, warranty is a legal right and cannot be voided at all by signing anything, because that would go against said law, and therefore be illegal per se.
I cannot recall to have seen a location for the OP.
EDIT/ADDITION: being given an unlocked device is not legally different from having bought it yourself and subsequently unlocking it yourself, provided you have a receipt. If you do not have a receipt, you're screwed anyway.
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I know that the topic of warranty law in the EU have been brought up quite a few times before in other threads, but I am not aware of anyone being able to unlock without voiding the warranty from ASUS, ever, regardless of regions. Back to the problem of the OP, since ASUS has already rejected the warranty claim from the OP, are you suggesting that he should sue ASUS if he lives in the EU? Otherwise, I can't see how this whole discussion about warranty law can help at all.
Maybe this will help AT&T to hear it's customers. Granted, most subscribers are not interested in rooting and or flashing their phones, but there are a number of us that are. We have paid for this device with upgrade fees and agreeing to ETF's if we break our contracts early. Either way, AT&T is not going to be out money. SO why are they and Verizon holding us hostage and not allowing us to do with our devices as we please? I can understand them not supporting unlocked bootloaders and non-AT&T ROM's. We all know the risks in rooting and flashing and understand that we could very easily create a $600 paperweight, but that is our decision, not theirs.
Anyways, I am thinking the only way to get their attention is to go straight to the people who are in charge and making decisions as well as have the ability to change policy. Below are the names and email addresses of the major players in these positions. Let them hear from the entire XDA community how fed up we are with their dictating what we can and will do with our property.
If anyone does use these addresses, be responsible in your wording to get the point across. As we all are aware that writing a letter telling them that they're stupid and a bunch of asses will not get anything done. You can catch more bees with honey than you can with vinegar. Maybe, just maybe they will listen and reverse their locked bootloader stance. I'm not asking nor expecting them to cover a device that I have screwed up, but to let me make the decision to do it.
Carlton Hill VP-Consumer Devices Email: [email protected] Fax: 1-404-986-9923
Jeff Bradley SVP-Devices Email: [email protected] Fax: 1-425-580-8269
David Christopher Chief Marketing Officer-Mobility Email: [email protected] Fax: 1-404-986-1259
Ralph De La Vega President & Chief Executive Officer-Mobility Email: [email protected]
Randall Stephenson Chairman & Ceo Email: [email protected]
Speak up and be heard.
If a device is gonna have a locked bootloader, it should be like the htcs. HTC locks their bootloaders, however they have a site called htc-dev that will allow you to unlock your bootloader but by doing so they now know you have an unlocked bootloader and your devices flagged to avoid fraud. Its genious really as it gives us a choice if we want to unlock and lose warranty or stay locked and keep warranty...but I guess that kinda of thing is up to manufacturers not carriers
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If a device is gonna have a locked bootloader, it should be like the htcs. HTC locks their bootloaders, however they have a site called htc-dev that will allow you to unlock your bootloader but by doing so they now know you have an unlocked bootloader and your devices flagged to avoid fraud. Its genious really as it gives us a choice if we want to unlock and lose warranty or stay locked and keep warranty...but I guess that kinda of thing is up to manufacturers not carriers
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You REALLY shouldn't blanket lose your warranty for unlocking the bootloader.
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sign the petition
I can't post the link to the petition due to post restriction.... I read a lot post not so much.. but the petition for unlocking the S4 boot-loader is on changedotorg and the link is in the general section as well.... So let get this done. @ last check it was 80 + signatures needed. I know some will say this does nothing but it's a step in the right direction... in addition to pounding these Exec's will phone calls and Fax's.
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You REALLY shouldn't blanket lose your warranty for unlocking the bootloader.
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With the amount of people that dont read before flashing and end up bricking their devices and sending into warranty due to bad flashes...I find waiving your warranty for a bootloader unlock perfectly understandable.
Anyways technically you waive you warranty the moment you root your phone...or flash anything...hence the disclaimors on almost every dev thread "YOUR WARRANTY IS NOW VOID" sooo....unlocking a biitloader should waive your warranty
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With the amount of people that dont read before flashing and end up bricking their devices and sending into warranty due to bad flashes...I find waiving your warranty for a bootloader unlock perfectly understandable.
Anyways technically you waive you warranty the moment you root your phone...or flash anything...hence the disclaimors on almost every dev thread "YOUR WARRANTY IS NOW VOID" sooo....unlocking a biitloader should waive your warranty
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Technically you can't up and void a warranty in its entirety. That's not the point though a million things unrelated to software can go wrong and getting a claim rejected for some software tweaking is wrong.
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With the amount of people that dont read before flashing and end up bricking their devices and sending into warranty due to bad flashes...I find waiving your warranty for a bootloader unlock perfectly understandable.
Anyways technically you waive you warranty the moment you root your phone...or flash anything...hence the disclaimors on almost every dev thread "YOUR WARRANTY IS NOW VOID" sooo....unlocking a biitloader should waive your warranty
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I have to agree. Just as if you put a supercharger on your car and the engine blows, the manufacturer is not on the hook and not going to cover it under warranty, and they shouldn't.
Hopefully the emails and faxed letters to the executives will wake them up to the fact that this could be very damaging to them in the long run. Just because AT&T and Verizon are the two biggest, doesn't mean that the mighty can't fall. I read today that T-Mobile added 277k customers in the last quarter I believe...and as they grow so does their coverage. Wake up AT&T, don't alienate your customers.
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Technically you can't up and void a warranty in its entirety. That's not the point though a million things unrelated to software can go wrong and getting a claim rejected for some software tweaking is wrong.
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The software put out by the companies is hardcore tested and then put under warranty so if something happens you're covered. But if you tamper with the software in anyway then that's your fault and not the companies. It's not fair to AT&T when they seal the device for your safety and then you go and tamper with it, **** up, and then point your finger at them when they did nothing wrong.
Sorry but waiving warranty is only fair once you begin going against what they advertise. I mean if they covered you for bad flashes, they would get bricks left and right and lose a lot of money over people not reading and following proper procedure.
I totally agree with how HTC does the unlocking, it's fair for both sides, you get your unlocked device, HTC doesn't have to worry about you committing fraud. Simple.
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The software put out by the companies is hardcore tested and then put under warranty so if something happens you're covered. But if you tamper with the software in anyway then that's your fault and not the companies. It's not fair to AT&T when they seal the device for your safety and then you go and tamper with it, **** up, and then point your finger at them when they did nothing wrong.
Sorry but waiving warranty is only fair once you begin going against what they advertise. I mean if they covered you for bad flashes, they would get bricks left and right and lose a lot of money over people not reading and following proper procedure.
I totally agree with how HTC does the unlocking, it's fair for both sides, you get your unlocked device, HTC doesn't have to worry about you committing fraud. Simple.
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Never said they should cover anyone's screw ups. They should honor the warranty 100% if you didn't cause the issue. Period. My bad flash won't cause the casing to crack or a dead pixel.
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Its all about money. Locked bootloader prevents people from getting this phone for 99 or 199, then sell on ebay for $400-500.
You want unlocked phone? Get developers edition.
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They are not to listen to customers who have already bought from them and have their service, once they lock you in, you are had, period!
Here's the deal... The AT&T bootloaders are not open source. They do not have to unlock them. Samsung cannot unlock them. At&t would have to allow Samsung to unlock them. Not saying I don't want unlocked bootloaders, but it's unlikely to happen anytime soon. I am honestly tired of seeing these topics and posts. It is mucking up the forums with redundancy. We get it. You want unlocked bootloaders. But stop making a new thread about it every day. It is ridiculous. I have seen just as many of these topics as I have seen about people bricking their phones on MF3 in the last week.
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You want to make a statement, get 200K to cancel their service in a quarter. Avg plan $100 and that's $20,000,000 you better believe that will get some attention.
Not email or faxing your discontent on the product they provide.
On T-mobile, we have been upgrading their network and right now, their LTE is faster, in at least NYC and Boroughs right now. ATT is just starting to do their upgrade but they are behind in at least this market.
I don't think any number of letters or petitions is going to change AT&T execs' minds. I also don't think that locking the bootloaders has to do with warranty replacements, after all, whomever wants to flash different software are still going to try to. If they really were looking to reduce the number of replacements due to bad flashes, the software would be as open as possible so there wouldn't be a need for workarounds and custom recoveries, which is where people usually mess up. You messed up your flash? Just download the original software from AT&T, put it in your microSD, turn the phone in this way, and press reflash. No need to send for repairs.
I think it has to do more with the culture of control that AT&T has, either that or AT&T and Verizon keep daring each other to fu/&%k more with their costumers. It goes with forcing a data plan even if you buy your own smartphone from Ebay, rather than just letting you pay by the Kb. Same as forcing stupid and redundant apps (contacts, navigator, locker) and making then not removable in the stock firmware. And putting their logo everywhere on the phone, including a big animation on the boot screen that you cannot remove to let you know that you're using their stuff.
It may also have to do with advertisement and collection of personal info. A custom ROM would probably not send the personal info they rightfully deserve, you know, after also getting our money (or so I would hope).
mg2195 said:
With the amount of people that dont read before flashing and end up bricking their devices and sending into warranty due to bad flashes...I find waiving your warranty for a bootloader unlock perfectly understandable.
Anyways technically you waive you warranty the moment you root your phone...or flash anything...hence the disclaimors on almost every dev thread "YOUR WARRANTY IS NOW VOID" sooo....unlocking a biitloader should waive your warranty
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in a perfect world it would void software support, htc has done a *pretty* good job, then again im not sure if they stopped unlocking bootloaders for the att htc one yet.
I've been with AT&T for seven years, back when Cingular was around, and today I switched to T-Mobile. I don't know why they decided to pull the locked bootloader card and frankly I don't care, but the blanket statement they issued a while back gave me all the reason I need. T-Mobile has fine coverage where I live, good speeds, unlimited data and tethering, two upgrades a year and most importantly an unlocked bootloader. It's really a no-brainer at this point. I just renewed with AT&T in late July so I had to eat the cancellation fee, but the new plan is so much cheaper I make up the cost in a couple of months anyway.
I wish everyone on MF3 the best of luck, but I'm voting with my wallet on this one. Nothing is more satisfying than seeing TWRP on my screen again.
Well I guess I will switch up when my contract ends.
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If you live in the EU, Samsung can't void your warranty because of Knox accordingly to EU warranty Law 1999/44/CE.
It dictates that any object meeting certain criteria (including telephones, computers, routers etc.) being sold to a consumer inside the European Union, has to carry a warranty from the seller that the device will meet the quality that you would expect for such a device for a period of 2 years. A telephone is an example of such a device and is an object that comprises many parts, from the case to the screen to the radio, to a mini-computer, to the battery, to the software that runs it. If any of these parts stop working in those 2 years, the seller has to fix or replace them. What is more these repairs should not cost the consumer a single cent, the seller has to cover the expenses (Directive 1999/44/CE, §3). If the seller has any expenses for returning it to the manufacturer, this is not your problem as a consumer.
If your device becomes defective in the first 6 months, it is presumed that the defect was there all along, so you should not need to prove anything. If your device becomes defective after the first 6 months, but before 2 years run out, you are still covered. The difference is only that if the defect arises now, the seller can claim that the defect was caused by some action that was triggered by non-normal use of the device.
Unless the seller can prove that modifying the software, rooting your device or flashing it with some other OS or firmware was the cause for the defect, you are still covered for defects during those 2 years. A good test to see if it is the software’s fault is to flash it back with stock firmware and see if the problem persists. If it does, it is not a software-caused problem. If it is not possible to revert it stock software any more, it is also not a software-caused defect (unless you have "bricked" the phone while flashing it, un-bricking is not covered by any statutory warranty). There are very few hardware defects that are caused by software (overriding the speaker volume above the safe level could blow the speaker.
Many manufacturers of consumer devices write into their warranties a paragraph that by changing the software or “rooting” your device, you void the warranty, thats NOT legitimate.
Yes, we know.
We've been through this same thing with the TF700, where unlocking your bootloader needs to be done with the official asus tool, which then gives you a voiding prompt and registers your deviceID as unlocked.
I'm the one who stepped to the EU court about it and passed it to the media...
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ShadowLea said:
Yes, we know.
We've been through this same thing with the TF700, where unlocking your bootloader needs to be done with the official asus tool, which then gives you a voiding prompt and registers your deviceID as unlocked.
I'm the one who stepped to the EU court about it and passed it to the media...
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We know, and we thank you. We've read your relevant thread about this.
TheExodus said:
If you live in the EU, Samsung can't void your warranty because of Knox accordingly to EU warranty Law 1999/44/CE.
It dictates that any object meeting certain criteria (including telephones, computers, routers etc.) being sold to a consumer inside the European Union, has to carry a warranty from the seller that the device will meet the quality that you would expect for such a device for a period of 2 years. A telephone is an example of such a device and is an object that comprises many parts, from the case to the screen to the radio, to a mini-computer, to the battery, to the software that runs it. If any of these parts stop working in those 2 years, the seller has to fix or replace them. What is more these repairs should not cost the consumer a single cent, the seller has to cover the expenses (Directive 1999/44/CE, §3). If the seller has any expenses for returning it to the manufacturer, this is not your problem as a consumer.
If your device becomes defective in the first 6 months, it is presumed that the defect was there all along, so you should not need to prove anything. If your device becomes defective after the first 6 months, but before 2 years run out, you are still covered. The difference is only that if the defect arises now, the seller can claim that the defect was caused by some action that was triggered by non-normal use of the device.
Unless the seller can prove that modifying the software, rooting your device or flashing it with some other OS or firmware was the cause for the defect, you are still covered for defects during those 2 years. A good test to see if it is the software’s fault is to flash it back with stock firmware and see if the problem persists. If it does, it is not a software-caused problem. If it is not possible to revert it stock software any more, it is also not a software-caused defect (unless you have "bricked" the phone while flashing it, un-bricking is not covered by any statutory warranty). There are very few hardware defects that are caused by software (overriding the speaker volume above the safe level could blow the speaker.
Many manufacturers of consumer devices write into their warranties a paragraph that by changing the software or “rooting” your device, you void the warranty, thats NOT legitimate.
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yop, this should be the truth, but, the real is, no-one gives warranty if you modify something of it's product. If you buy a car and modify something in it, warranty will be avoid.
only one thing you could do is to start a big class action, but, when i say big, i'm meaning BIG!
i repeat, no-one gives warranty of it's product if you change something in it, no-one
iba21 said:
yop, this should be the truth, but, the real is, no-one gives warranty if you modify something of it's product. If you buy a car and modify something in it, warranty will be avoid.
only one thing you could do is to start a big class action, but, when i say big, i'm meaning BIG!
i repeat, no-one gives warranty of it's product if you change something in it, no-one
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Stop FUDding please. If you damage or change the hardware, yes. But software or even firmware changes don't matter: if the device stops working, it should be replaced. And there's no such thing as a class action over here. .. Other laws you know.
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iba21 said:
yop, this should be the truth, but, the real is, no-one gives warranty if you modify something of it's product. If you buy a car and modify something in it, warranty will be avoid.
only one thing you could do is to start a big class action, but, when i say big, i'm meaning BIG!
i repeat, no-one gives warranty of it's product if you change something in it, no-one
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That's what they would lead us yo believe but not factual. Do you how many people get deterred from claiming warranty because of such statements? Software is completely different from hardware when it comes to warranty. I myself have phones replaced even though rooted. I'm sending another one for repairs.
Yrcimim said:
Stop FUDding please. If you damage or change the hardware, yes. But software or even firmware changes don't matter: if the device stops working, it should be replaced. And there's no such thing as a class action over here. .. Other laws you know.
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riz157 said:
That's what they would lead us yo believe but not factual. Do you how many people get deterred from claiming warranty because of such statements? Software is completely different from hardware when it comes to warranty. I myself have phones replaced even though rooted. I'm sending another one for repairs.
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Well, i'm not defending samsung, i'm pro modding, as you can see in my signature
The only thing is, if you unlock the phone you can have problems with warranty.. is it legal? Well, suppouse it's unlegal, you have a damage phone, you send it to samsung, it doesen't fix the for free, what will you do?
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iba21 said:
Well, i'm not defending samsung, i'm pro modding, as you can see in my signature
The only thing is, if you unlock the phone you can have problems with warranty.. is it legal? Well, suppouse it's unlegal, you have a damage phone, you send it to samsung, it doesen't fix the for free, what will you do?
Justice and real life are not synonymous
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Under EU law, your contract is with the seller, so you send the phone to them, not Samsung. If they then send it to Samsung who say "sorry, warranty void" the seller's still on the hook for repairing or replacing.
Obviously this means buying direct from Samsung is a bad idea It's best to buy from someone who's fairly good with returns (ie direct from Amazon rather than from some Amazon Marketplace seller you never heard of, even if they are £20 cheaper…)
Tiny Clanger said:
Under EU law, your contract is with the seller, so you send the phone to them, not Samsung. If they then send it to Samsung who say "sorry, warranty void" the seller's still on the hook for repairing or replacing.
Obviously this means buying direct from Samsung is a bad idea It's best to buy from someone who's fairly good with returns (ie direct from Amazon rather than from some Amazon Marketplace seller you never heard of, even if they are £20 cheaper…)
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well, this is absolutely correct :good::good:
iba21 said:
i repeat, no-one gives warranty of it's product if you change something in it, no-one
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Well, no.
have a computer and Install linux. Say your CD Drive or whatever gets damaged, NO ONE will say: "you have modified the system on your Computer, so you dont get a warranty repair"...
TheExodus said:
Many manufacturers of consumer devices write into their warranties a paragraph that by changing the software or “rooting” your device, you void the warranty, thats NOT legitimate.
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a Manufaturer May do this since the Manucaturer Warranty is optional and has nothing to do with the warranty of the seller.
Tiny Clanger said:
Under EU law, your contract is with the seller, so you send the phone to them, not Samsung. If they then send it to Samsung who say "sorry, warranty void" the seller's still on the hook for repairing or replacing.
Obviously this means buying direct from Samsung is a bad idea It's best to buy from someone who's fairly good with returns (ie direct from Amazon rather than from some Amazon Marketplace seller you never heard of, even if they are £20 cheaper…)
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Well, even IF you buy it from Samsung, the EU seller warranty (I'm grateful Germany has 2 seperate words for those) isnt Affected by EULAs and whatnot. even if they say they wont repair it for the manufacturer warranty, you still have the option to say they're also the seller, so the seller warranty applies...
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We know, and we thank you. We've read your relevant thread about this.
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I see what you did there and me like it. Talk about killing someone with his own medicine
If you read the warranty card...according to Sammy ...anything you do, even an app install, would void the warranty. check teh small print. That's why we have EU directives. Also, bad experience, we lately had a Toshiba Quismo refused to warranty repair because we downgraded to WIN7...Sammy still has 5 star CS compared to others
even an app install???
can you quote me that?
OMG then the US practically has no warranty for Samsung SMartphones at all...
... accordingly to EU warranty Law 1999/44/CE.
This is not a EU law but a Directive 1999/44/CE from EU and a Directive is not a Law.
Like You see here at step [1]:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801
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[1] EU member states must have by now imported the Directive 1999/44/CE into their national laws. So you should quote also your local law on that topic.
To see if You have on Your Country National Laws about see here:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:71999L0044:EN:NOT
Click on Your Country.
My1xT said:
Well, no.
have a computer and Install linux. Say your CD Drive or whatever gets damaged, NO ONE will say: "you have modified the system on your Computer, so you dont get a warranty repair"...
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man, pc is not an EMBEDDED hardware.. pc has singolar warranty for each pcb/cpu
try to install a modded firmware of a new graphic card, try to brake it, and send the graphic card to the manufacture, try, and see if it will ben repaired even if YOU BROKE THE FIRMWARE BY A MODEDD ONE.. try :good:
try to broke the bios/efi of the motherboard of pc
or the firmware of the hdd/ssd
try to overclock rams over its max voltage
try
overclocking can damage the hardware itself, of course it's NOT keeping the warranty.
but why can android be not as modular in the sme fashion every part has it's own firmware and changing from Stock android to Cyano or whatnot should be seen as a similar process as changing from Windows to Ubuntu or whatnot...
My experience from sending a rooted Note 2 back to Samsung (I forgot to unroot it lol) was that they completely refused to do anything with it despite me asking nicely and then not so nicely!
When I unrooted it properly and sent it back, they fixed it without a quibble, thank god their records were crap!
I don't think I'll touch my Note 3 until all traces can be hidden from Samsung.
oalex said:
I see what you did there and me like it. Talk about killing someone with his own medicine
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Her, mate.
Also, I did not make a thread because I might as well make one in every bloody device specific forum, as people here never use the search function when it is required anyway.
Plus it doesn't apply if you use a Carrier-bound phone. They have their own insurance, and you still have to pay the 192 euro 'research costs'.
I've stopped pointing out things. I spend almost a month pre-release telling everyone that the Region Lock was software-based and nobody believed me. Might as well not, as people don't listen anyway.
ShadowLea said:
Her, mate.
Also, I did not make a thread because I might as well make one in every bloody device specific forum, as people here never use the search function when it is required anyway.
Plus it doesn't apply if you use a Carrier-bound phone. They have their own insurance, and you still have to pay the 192 euro 'research costs'.
I've stopped pointing out things. I spend almost a month pre-release telling everyone that the Region Lock was software-based and nobody believed me. Might as well not, as people don't listen anyway.
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And you think I care about all what you just wrote to me why?
Apart from the "her, mate" part, didn't you want to write the rest to someone else?
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And you think I care about all what you just wrote to me why?
Apart from the "her, mate" part, didn't you want to write the rest to someone else?
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I did, but for some reason the Multi-quote option didn't stick.
I also can't edit, and the search function also gives a blank page. Server seems to be having a fit again.