I wonder if anyone has an explanation why this device feels slower than the 1+1... I know one runs vanilla android and the other runs tw, but I thought 64bit processor should kill it
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not sure if trolling or not
Why would he be trolling? It's a fact. I too have owned an OPO, and in comparison my S6 is quite sluggish.
If u guys ever owned s4 or even s3 with aosp rom then this comparing I must say is useless. I also have nexus 5 and its much faster in scrolling then s6 but AGAIN its pure android...
My Nexus 5 is quicker than my S6, hoping once updates or development picks up this will change.
In what ways is it slower?
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I find my N4 is much snappier than my S6. Entering my pin and scrolling is much faster on my N4
S6 is faster than all those phones mentioned above - animations are good as they point out to a more polished and build GUI. Kind of snappiness you guys are referring to which is found in vanilla android does not indicate faster performance but to the snappiness of GUI instead. On the other hand, open source nature of Android will always result in one app build better than the other depending on the developer and hours of work he has put out into his project.
I am not trolling. I believe it has to do with the processor speed. A 4 core clocked at 2.4ghz will feel faster than an octa core clocked at 1.4ghz. May be the difference is made when gaming. And yes also the nexus 5 feels way snappier.
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Also your talking about how fast the animations are programmed to be by each maker. Turn off all animations on both and see which launches faster.
I thought s6 is faster when open apps
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OS fluidity is miles ahead on stock android, Chrome on the S6 is just pitiful yet is smooth and fast on stock android and mny other skinned versions of android. Touchwiz and the underlying modifications Samsung makes to Android somehow makes it worse again in OS fluidity. The Galaxy S6 has the best specs of any smartphone out there and with it's faster storage can launch applications fractionally faster than other smartphones but overall the experience is superior on devices that do not run a skinned version of android.
Animations in general are smoother (Speed of animation is irrelevant its the smoothness of it) on stock android (Even 5.0.2 on the Nexus 5). 5.1.1 may save the Galaxy S6 (Atleast for me) because with the specs this phone has I expect much more int he way of fluidity. Having to root in order to somewhat fix the borked memory management (Which is not all down to Android 5.0.2) is unacceptable this device has 3GB of memory and runs/ran worse than my Nexus 5. Lets not even start about battery. Hopefully 5.1.1 will fix some of these issues otherwise its back to a Nexus 6 until the next Nexus or Moto X is released in Q4.
yeah no ****, its touchwiz vs stock android. samsung phones will always be slower than stock android phones that are a generation behind
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Also your talking about how fast the animations are programmed to be by each maker. Turn off all animations on both and see which launches faster.
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I am talking about how fast I can reach the last forum in xda for example. 1+1 beats s6 all day long. To me it seems kernel related and I remember franco saying same thing a while ago too. Talking about cpu speed. Everyday usage a quadcore cpu clocked at 2.4ghz feels faster than an octacore clocked at 1.4ghz. Reminds me of the old s4 running exynoss vs qualcomm lol
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I have an OPO as well and my S6 kills it in speed!
Multitasking is a whole other issue...
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I am talking about how fast I can reach the last forum in xda for example. 1+1 beats s6 all day long. To me it seems kernel related and I remember franco saying same thing a while ago too. Talking about cpu speed. Everyday usage a quadcore cpu clocked at 2.4ghz feels faster than an octacore clocked at 1.4ghz. Reminds me of the old s4 running exynoss vs qualcomm lol
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You on about scrolling down a page? If that's the case it's either Samsung's take on iphone scrolling, or it's the fact everyone is using Chrome which is the slowest browser on the planet.
As for the 1+1 and the N4 N5, they aren't any faster, they're just feature lacking and animations are a little smoother and more boring. Nova launcher and animation speed on S6 makes a big difference.
IF that isn't enough for everyone complaining, remember, the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts and Nexus and One plus phones are awful built with crap components overall.
Problem could be you have a TMobile Version carrier branded phone which not only adds Samsung bloat but also TMobile bloat. That's one of the reasons why I went with an international unlocked SM-G920F. I'm just fine with how fast my phone opens apps, scrolls, whatever. WAAAY faster than my old S4. I don't know how fast you guys need these phones to be.
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Problem could be you have a TMobile Version carrier branded phone which not only adds Samsung bloat but also TMobile bloat. That's one of the reasons why I went with an international unlocked SM-G920F. I'm just fine with how fast my phone opens apps, scrolls, whatever. WAAAY faster than my old S4. I don't know how fast you guys need these phones to be.
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I need it so fast it see's into the future for me
Thanks for the troll comment guys. But yes the 5.1.1 update made this phone snappier and feels as fast as 1+1 running blisspop rom with uber toolchain. Next time don't get too butthurt if you hear your phone is slow
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The 920F is faster than any other android phones I've used.
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Thinking of returning my Atrix and just getting a Nexus S. One thing the Atrix actually does is play flash 100% perfectly.
Can the same be said for this phone"?
The Nexus S runs Flash fine, but not so smooth on higher bitrate flash videos
I don't have any experience with the Atrix but my experience with the Nexus S is the browser and flash acceleration isn't really there (yet) like it is on Snapdragon devices. I feel like my Nexus One and MT4G performed better at flash playback in the browser than the NS.
No idea how flash is on Tegra 2 phones but I'd guess it's way better than the NS. Give some links to some flash sites that run nicely on your Atrix and I'll test it on my NS.
Comparing the Nexus S and Atrix 4G in terms of hardware is a joke. Personally, I prefer the Nexus S because I hate Motoblur and also I like the way the phone looks. But there's no way I can deny that the Atrix is more powerful, especially graphically. Dude, it has a friggin Tegra 2 dual-core CPU. The Nexus S I believe has a single-core Hummingbird. The Hummingbird (same one in the Galaxy S) is very powerful graphically, but the Tegra 2 is more powerful. I'd still take the Nexus S though since it's more powerful than my Evo.
My NxS w/CM7 + Flash works equal to my N1 same setup. This is not based on any spec or performance comparisons...just a daily user of shadownet.com
Why dumping Atrix?
...sent from NxS
search around for threads about this, because the nexus s actually is not optimized to play flash well yet, its missing graphics acceleration, etc. so many sites seems to be slow and choppy, and the nexus one actually out performs it. this is obviously a fluke, but the update has not yet come to fix it.
the galaxy s was the same way but samsung pushed the update out to the international version, and it made a world of difference. apparently google did not get this memo. so you might not have as smooth performance as expected.
reason it has issues is becuase hardware acceleration has yet to be implemented like the snapdragon CPU
The thing is that, being a Nexus device, the software is handled by Google, so you can expect a quick update.
My captivate with a custom kernel runs flash extremely well - nearly as well as the atrix.
Returning the atrix because its really a disappointment. Its horribly optimized, cant display the color yellow at all, and AT&T raped the HSUPA on the phone - disabling it. which wouldnt be a major issue if the boot loader was locked and you could enable it like on my captivate.
Just too much crap wrong with it to warrant signing a 2 year contract with it. So I am thinking thunderbolt or nexus S at this point.
on stock,not well. but I read that when overclocked, runs smoothly or hopefully, as said here, they will put the gpu to help
Nexus S browsing performance (Only Nexus S holders plz)
So I've seen many conflicting videos/reviews about Nexus S scrolling/zooming.... I heard that Samsung only optimized the browser for Hummingbird (with GPU acceleration, but of course didn't share the code with Google), but it's not available on the Nexus S.
So, on the Nexus S with Flash-enabled:
1) How smooth is it? Is it as smooth as the Atrix? iPhone 4? Galaxy S (after GPU acceleration fix)?
2) How smooth does flash video play in the browser?
3) Is there any ROM/Kernel I need to install to get the smoothest web-browsing experience? (I'm down with this, I just need to know if there's a solution).
4) Any hope that Samsung's GPU acceleration code can be used on the Nexus S?
Because I can afford either the Nexus S or the Atrix (I'm buying one of them in exactly 10 days), but I don't like the Atrix' screen or the fact it won't get Ice Cream this summer. I need Super AMOLED and instant updates -but not if it will mean a choppy browsing experience and poor flash performance.
Thanks!
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So I've seen many conflicting videos/reviews about Nexus S scrolling/zooming.... I heard that Samsung only optimized the browser for Hummingbird (with GPU acceleration, but of course didn't share the code with Google), but it's not available on the Nexus S.
So, on the Nexus S with Flash-enabled:
1) How smooth is it? Is it as smooth as the Atrix? iPhone 4? Galaxy S (after GPU acceleration fix)?
2) How smooth does flash video play in the browser?
3) Is there any ROM/Kernel I need to install to get the smoothest web-browsing experience? (I'm down with this, I just need to know if there's a solution).
4) Any hope the GPU acceleration code can be used on the Nexus S?
Because I can afford either the Nexus S or the Atrix (I'm buying one of them in exactly 10 days), but I don't like the Atrix' screen or the fact it won't get Ice Cream this summer. I need Super AMOLED and instant updates -but not if it will mean a choppy browsing experience and poor flash performance.
Thanks!
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*I use flash on-demand. I don't see any point in keeping flash enabled on a constant basis. You are just wasting battery life on pointless flash advertisements.
1) Haven't owned/used an Atrix/Galaxy S so can't comment.. But it's certainly not as smooth as the iPhone 4. However, the Android browser renders the entire webpage at once as opposed to the iPhone 4 and it's "checkboard" rendering while scrolling. So it's expected to be less smooth.
2) Most video I've played has been smooth. But of course don't expect to scroll through a webpage and have a video still remain smooth.
3) Most of the kernels/roms out for the Nexus S are designed with the improve performance (not the browser specifically) via filesystem tweaks, overclocking, and other enhancements. This would certainly translate to smoother browsing. However I don't bother.
4) Hopefully when we see Ice Cream on the Nexus S there will be further performance enhancements and possibly GPU acceleration. I'm hopeful the improved browser included with Android 3.0 is included with it's phone counterpart.
there´s already a thread about the same question, try this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=967608
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So I've seen many conflicting videos/reviews about Nexus S scrolling/zooming.... I heard that Samsung only optimized the browser for Hummingbird (with GPU acceleration, but of course didn't share the code with Google), but it's not available on the Nexus S.
So, on the Nexus S with Flash-enabled:
1) How smooth is it? Is it as smooth as the Atrix? iPhone 4? Galaxy S (after GPU acceleration fix)?
2) How smooth does flash video play in the browser?
3) Is there any ROM/Kernel I need to install to get the smoothest web-browsing experience? (I'm down with this, I just need to know if there's a solution).
4) Any hope that Samsung's GPU acceleration code can be used on the Nexus S?
Because I can afford either the Nexus S or the Atrix (I'm buying one of them in exactly 10 days), but I don't like the Atrix' screen or the fact it won't get Ice Cream this summer. I need Super AMOLED and instant updates -but not if it will mean a choppy browsing experience and poor flash performance.
Thanks!
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heres a great video to answer your nexus s vs atrix questions. see for yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm3BJ2vKpGM
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heres a great video to answer your nexus s vs atrix questions. see for yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm3BJ2vKpGM
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Thanks man, I saw this video which is why I am a bit confused about the truth. I've also seen countless other videos where the scrolling and pinching are just painfully slow and choppy, which is why I need to ask about people's experiences.
I also don't know if this person in the video has any specific ROM/Kernel underneath...
Browser sux in bare mode. But if you use SetCpu and put the cpu at 1300Mhz it will run as smooth as butter...this is with flash and the most heaviest of web pages...speaking from my own personal experience.
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heres a great video to answer your nexus s vs atrix questions. see for yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm3BJ2vKpGM
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I´m curious to know if the nexus on this video has mods. Cause if it is on stock, ther is no advantage, for now , on picking up a dual core phone...actually, I thought Atrix would be something out of this world... guess not
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Browser sux in bare mode. But if you use SetCpu and put the cpu at 1300Mhz it will run as smooth as butter...this is with flash and the most heaviest of web pages...speaking from my own personal experience.
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Thank you! That's what I'm talking about.
What impact does the overlock have on battery life?
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I´m curious to know if the nexus on this video has mods. Cause if it is on stock, ther is no advantage, for now , on picking up a dual core phone...actually, I thought Atrix would be something out of this world... guess not
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both atrix and nexus s are stock in the video. i have no problems at all browsing with my nexus s, but then again im not at stock. from what ive heard from atrix owners that also have a nexus s(like the vid) is there isnt any difference, and the ns might even be slightly smoother.
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Browser sux in bare mode. But if you use SetCpu and put the cpu at 1300Mhz it will run as smooth as butter...this is with flash and the most heaviest of web pages...speaking from my own personal experience.
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I was excited when I read that; but then I saw a video of a Nexus S on 1300 Mhz and while everything was fast, web browsing was still choppy; the guy was too embarrassed to keep demoing it.
http://androidcommunity.com/exclusi...d-to-1-3ghz-running-flawlessly-demo-20110104/
Hi all, I've had about 5 different Android powered phones beginning with the og Droid, to my current DroidX and Motorola Xoom. The screen kind of lags for both devices and it is kind of annoying. I use my wives iPad and iPhone every now and then, but I really prefer Android. There is no screen lag on either of her devices. Is there any new phone available that doesn't have this issue? I'm interested in the galaxy nexus, but the one I tested in the store had the same kind if lag... Although everything was running at one time, so I don't know if it was for that reason or what. I'm on Verizon if that helps. Thanks for any info!
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There's no perfect device with zero lag.
The way iOS and Android function is just different, there's a thread detailing how this works, don't have it on hand.
In Android land, the closest you will get to a totally lag free experience is the Galaxy S2. Too bad Verizon doesnt carry it...
.....you're talking a dx here. Terrible software.
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I agree that no phone is completely lag free, but custom roms/kernels make a huge difference, which is why we all post/lurk here For me, changing the rom and kernel on my Galaxy Nexus makes it into a totally different phone with significantly less lag. I think if you upgraded to a GN and tricked it out, you'd be much happier than you are with your DX.
The gs2 makes a valiant attempt. If you're stuck with android, that's your best option.
The galaxy s2 has less lag than the iphone 4s. You need to get the one x or SGS3 and I am sure they will not lag.( Ok not 100% true, becuase I can make any thing lag, iphone 4 and 4s, i7 PC with GTX 580 6GB of DRR3 1600mhz ram, PS3, Droid razr, SGS2 and my laptop.)
I have made them all lag by runing bone crushing app or content that made them yell nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. I can tell you how I made the iphones lag, but really they are over rated.
Make a Lumia lag, try it. Android lags worse than any other OS regardless of hardware, you trade that level of user experience for infinite customization. For most, that's a fair trade-off.
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Make a Lumia lag, try it. Android lags worse than any other OS regardless of hardware, you trade that level of user experience for infinite customization. For most, that's a fair trade-off.
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Lumia lag....see later part of following review
http://thenokiablog.com/2011/11/09/nokia-lumia-800-review/
Dave
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Hmmm, lag? I thought that has to do with phone overloaded or using a poorly designed rom? I use the htc inc S, lags a little now, but not when it was stock, lag free. Thats y i await the official ics, htc says april
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SGS2 is still the most lag free android out there
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Like others said all devices lag but rare you see it in iOS or a windows phone. Its just Android lags the most and it doesn't matter how powerful the hardware gets it's still gonna lag until the OS is completely rewritten.
there cant be no lag, and dont compare android to iphone, iphone os is specificly built for the iphone, only 1 device. but android is just built for hundreds of devices, it would be just extremly time consuming and costly for each company to develop their own android for every phone they release. and thats why android lags.
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there cant be no lag, and dont compare android to iphone, iphone os is specificly built for the iphone, only 1 device. but android is just built for hundreds of devices, it would be just extremly time consuming and costly for each company to develop their own android for every phone they release. and thats why android lags.
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Also it is purely due to the fact that you can multi task with Android. The iPhone doesnt do true multitasking... The only time my GS2 lags is when I have multiple downloads in progress, streaming movies to my tv/xbox and playing games.
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What do you mean by screen lag exactly? Are you talking about touchscreen response time? If so, then there's still a while before we get to near 0ms delay on commercially available phones, although Microsoft have made a touchscreen display with a 1ms delay.
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What do you mean by screen lag exactly? Are you talking about touchscreen response time? If so, then there's still a while before we get to near 0ms delay on commercially available phones, although Microsoft have made a touchscreen display with a 1ms delay.
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No, I believe they are refering to when you scroll through things sometimes it lags. Like say sometimed you scroll between homescreens, sometimes it wont go smoothy like it is meant too.
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Still not possible even today. The lag on newer phones is worse than ancient phones like the S2. Unoptimised OS can't handle the higher resolution.
generic.imitation said:
Hi all, I've had about 5 different Android powered phones beginning with the og Droid, to my current DroidX and Motorola Xoom. The screen kind of lags for both devices and it is kind of annoying. I use my wives iPad and iPhone every now and then, but I really prefer Android. There is no screen lag on either of her devices. Is there any new phone available that doesn't have this issue? I'm interested in the galaxy nexus, but the one I tested in the store had the same kind if lag... Although everything was running at one time, so I don't know if it was for that reason or what. I'm on Verizon if that helps. Thanks for any info!
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i have recently an lgp990 but when i want use smarth flash and i want go to stock gingerbread plz post a backup of it i have now ics on it whit cwm but can i restore tho stock whit it plz help
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Have you guys flashed the latest Android 4.3 update on your S4? The benchmark is quite impressive. The biggest improvement is definitely the GPU.
t4gofficial said:
Have you guys flashed the latest Android 4.3 update on your S4? The benchmark is quite impressive. The biggest improvement is definitely the GPU.
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Loving stock Android 4.3. Now the only thing we need is root, which I guess Chainfire will deliver next week if he has the time. :good:
Can you show more scores in other benchmarks, mainly interested in 3DMark?
It'd be great to see "before"-"after" comparison, too - or google results of 4.2 devices for us to compare them
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Were people visible in OpenGL ES 2.0 scene? Some people say that this scene is bugged on this ROM. Possibly, because part of geometry is not processed, benchmark shows better FPS. Could you record a video of test?
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Can you show more scores in other benchmarks, mainly interested in 3DMark?
It'd be great to see "before"-"after" comparison, too - or google results of 4.2 devices for us to compare them
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Were people visible in OpenGL ES 2.0 scene? Some people say that this scene is bugged on this ROM. Possibly, because part of geometry is not processed, benchmark shows better FPS. Could you record a video of test?
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indeed the fighting scene of Antutu is bugged, no visible fight scene just grass.
battery drain is lethal too atm, 5hrs 5m 44s on battery, 53Min Screen time - now on 31% Battery.
It's because of the Open GL Es 3. Libraries in 4.3
looks good
Looks good what the device should of got when it was released cant try it till I get a micro sd my 64gb died foreva lol
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Seems that the GPU score got a good boost compared to 4.2.
Those score nearly match the score of my GS4 (Octa Version).
bean12147 said:
Put it any way you like the i9500 is still faster! No amount of vanilla or overclock can make the i9505 as fast. Trust me I got both. Vanilla is good but not great. Where are the apis for ir blaster etc. Its still not the solution. Google needs to step up. FYI the doc is porting vanilla to the i9500
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IR blaster working fine with WatchON here. No amount of processing power is going to make TouchWiz fast (or Android at that). Stock Android is still preferable because of its light weight. Google should seriously move Android away from Java until it is too late (starting to be).
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IR blaster working fine with WatchON here. No amount of processing power is going to make TouchWiz fast (or Android at that). Stock Android is still preferable because of its light weight. Google should seriously move Android away from Java until it is too late (starting to be).
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It needs a complete rewrite and I sincerely hope they consider that. Maybe C++ is better?
What about smart stay etc? You can debloat a TW rom and it is very quick so what you are making is a moot point. To me the only tangible benefit are faster releases with stock google.I am not sure if this will happen with google s4.
Tbh both 9505 and 9500 got screwed by the s800 shv-330s. I mean come on not even 2 months after release. Technology does progress but in this case why did they scramble to release this mess 9505 9500 when they new this would be round the corner. Samsung f'ed up.
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What about smart stay etc? You can debloat a TW rom and it is very quick so what you are making is a moot point. To me the only tangible benefit are faster releases with stock google.I am not sure if this will happen with google s4.
Tbh both 9505 and 9500 got screwed by the s800 shv-330s. I mean come on not even 2 months after release. Technology does progress but in this case why did they scramble to release this mess 9505 9500 when they new this would be round the corner. Samsung f'ed up.
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The framework is different, and you'd have to run them side-by-side to notice the difference. Bet stock Android would be a lot faster on the i9500 compared to TW.
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What about smart stay etc? You can debloat a TW rom and it is very quick so what you are making is a moot point. To me the only tangible benefit are faster releases with stock google.I am not sure if this will happen with google s4.
Tbh both 9505 and 9500 got screwed by the s800 shv-330s. I mean come on not even 2 months after release. Technology does progress but in this case why did they scramble to release this mess 9505 9500 when they new this would be round the corner. Samsung f'ed up.
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You don't seem to be able to percept the fact that TouchWiz is making Android very heavy, debloated or not. Android requires incredible hardware to run anywhere near smoothly and TouchWiz puts a huge strain on Android. Sense is heavy as well but not even near the strain level of TW (because let's face it, an HTC One with Sense doesn't lag. I've owned one and tried my very best in making it lag)
I get that we all like different things but please, please, don't lie to yourself by saying TW is smooth or is fast. Decorate a turd and paint it in other colors, but it's still a turd underneath, that you cannot change (TouchWiz being the turd)
I have a nexus 10 and perceive quite well that TW will always be heavier than vanilla. But if you look at benchmarks of the octa with a debloated ROM there is a substantial increase in performance.
Imo the fastest out there is not vanilla but linaro based roms which are insanely fast.
What you dont perceive is what you call a turd (TW) whether you like it or not runs on 90 percent of all gs4s out there regardless of processor.
Since most users dont care about roms, this actually means that they actually like TW.
And its one of the reasons there is such a large community for these phones.
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I have a nexus 10 and perceive quite well that TW will always be heavier than vanilla. But if you look at benchmarks of the octa with a debloated ROM there is a substantial increase in performance.
Imo the fastest out there is not vanilla but linaro based roms which are insanely fast.
What you dont perceive is what you call a turd (TW) whether you like it or not runs on 90 percent of all gs4s out there regardless of processor.
Since most users dont care about roms, this actually means that they actually like TW.
And its one of the reasons there is such a large community for these phones.
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Regarding the linaro part, are you sure? I thought Google's latest toolchains did the job almost as good as, if not better than, the linaro toolchain.
bean12147 said:
I have a nexus 10 and perceive quite well that TW will always be heavier than vanilla. But if you look at benchmarks of the octa with a debloated ROM there is a substantial increase in performance.
Imo the fastest out there is not vanilla but linaro based roms which are insanely fast.
What you dont perceive is what you call a turd (TW) whether you like it or not runs on 90 percent of all gs4s out there regardless of processor.
Since most users dont care about roms, this actually means that they actually like TW.
And its one of the reasons there is such a large community for these phones.
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Its more like they have to suck it up because its the way the phone came and and dont have the means/knowledge to do something about it
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Regarding the linaro part, are you sure? I thought Google's latest toolchains did the job almost as good as, if not better than, the linaro toolchain.
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You're right. People hear "Compiled with Linaro Tool Chain" and they think there is a huge performance increase, there isn't. Google's tool chains do just as well or better.
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You're right. People hear "Compiled with Linaro Tool Chain" and they think there is a huge performance increase, there isn't. Google's tool chains do just as well or better.
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Thought so.
I disagree my experience on the nexus 10 shows otherwise. Look at the nexus 4 forum I believe the sentiment is the same.
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I am talking about two thing: OS smoothness and OS input lag.
For years Android just hasn't come close to the smooth, and lag free feel of iOS. This video shows exactly what I mean about android input lag. iOS is far ahead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvQCPLkPt4
iPhone 5 : 55 ms
S4: 114 ms
HTC One: 121 ms
The iPhone 5 is over twice as responsive as the fastest android!
That video just shows the input lag difference. iOS is very noticably lower input lag than Android. Thats why i hate playing games on Android. Its a pain in the ass. Some of you might say you dont notice the lag, but its there, and i notice it.
Same thing happens with HDTVs. Casual gamers say their hdtvs dont have lag. But they really do, its just casuals dont notice it. Hardcore gamers easily can notice.
Now onto OS smoothness. For years Android has had laggy scrolling or jerky movement. iOS is smooth as butter, so smoooooth. I love it. Android was awful scrolling webpages. Project butter MUCH improved Android. But still, iOS is far smoother. Will Android ever be smooth as butter like iOS or is it impossible without a closed, optimized OS?
i believe when android 5.0 comes it will be equal but you have to remember that android has alot more customizable features wgen ios doesnt, those features like widgets and animations cause lag, thats just my thoughts about that
Honestly what I have found is that it depends on the quality of the app you are using and how quickly you move your fingers. If I am slowly scrolling through xda there is a ton of lag but it is a poorly written app and I'm moving slow. However scrolling on the home screen in Nova I notice no lag. I have used my note 2 next to the newest ipad as well as my note 10.1 and there are different situations that each has an advantage over all though I would give the edge to my note 2 over the two tablets.
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I've made sure it was same apps etc and moving as close to the same speed on each hand with each device as I could. Still the note 2 trumped the iPhone 5s in every scenario...camera, browsing, YouTube, Facebook, etc... IPhone lagged at least 3-5 second behind the note 2.
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To the OP, I don't think android will ever catch up because of the denial. See from the replies that some don't even believe there's a problem.
Any android first day out of the box will always be more problematic than an iPhone even after its a year old.
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I have never had an issue with a stock android out the box bought one apple product and had issues with it before iTunes could even update it. Will never go to apple. And there's no denial I've seen it first hand. Kinda hard to deny visual proof...duh.
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I've used an iPhone before I got my nexus 4. Definitely a bit more responsive and less lag. But then iPhones don't require as many resources to run its OS, because its much simpler
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I've used an iPhone before I got my nexus 4. Definitely a bit more responsive and less lag. But then iPhones don't require as many resources to run its OS, because its much simpler
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True, I just wonder if Google can match iOS in the near future, and what their solutions could be? Fragmentation is a major problem.
I tried out the Lumia 900 Windows phone for a week and even though I hated it and would rather have any android over it, the Windows os was much smoother in terms of lag.
Think about this, when iPhone users jailbreak, it's so they customize. It's not about performance.
Android users root so they can customize but also to a large degree make the thing run smoother. That in and of itself says something..
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And another curious matter, I got my iPhone from at&t and there was not nearly as much bloatware as the note 2 (also at&t,) had before I rooted and rommed. Why?
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...I am talking about two thing: OS smoothness and OS input lag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvQCPLkPt4
iPhone 5 : 55 ms
S4: 114 ms
HTC One: 121 ms
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I saw the video posted on your link. There was no mention of the performance for the phones you mentioned. I am interested to know where did you get the performance figures mentioned.
To the OP:
This is a difficult location to get an unbiased answer. You're basically walking into Toyota and asking if Chevrolet vehicles are better. Of course you are going to find fanboys who defend their devices to the byte. That's a given.
But now, on to business. As someone mentioned earlier, Android uses way more resources than iOS. Ever noticed how smooth a rom moves after a fresh flash with nothing installed? There's a lot less "lag." I think that Android will continue he getting closer to the bar that has been set by Apple products. Am I saying that Apple is better? No. You're question has nothing to do with preference, and I shall not share mine. I am just sharing my unbiased opinion.
Also, I think that "lag" is the wrong word to use for your description in the first post. Delay is a much more appropriate and concise word in my opinion. I define lag as excessive delay. Stutters I consider to be lag, but 55ms vs 114ms is definitely delay, not lag. I'm just saying...lag tends to have a terrible meaning behind it, and much worse than the example that you provided.
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Yet an iPhone 4S with IOS7 seemed to lag more than my "budget" Optimus L9. Now call me a "fandroid". Now how about we ask if IOS will ever catch up to Android in features/options/freedom, then compare to see if Android lags more.
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It will be faster and responsive after installing a custom rom and kernel. That's why we are here. I'm not hating on iOS. I love it but I like the customizibility more on Android.
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Yet an iPhone 4S with IOS7 seemed to lag more than my "budget" Optimus L9. Now call me a "fandroid". Now how about we ask if IOS will ever catch up to Android in features/options/freedom, then compare to see if Android lags more.
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Exactly, my friend Dave has an iPhone 5s with iOS7 and I am running a samsung note II w/ cm 10.2 nightly 10/19 with plasma kernel running at 2.1GHz. For one show me an iPhone that can perform that fast and even running that fast my "stock" battery lasts me almost a fully 24 hrs and I'm a heavy user of games, web browsing, and media streaming. I tested my note side by side and the only thing it performed better was it booted up a second or two quicker. My opinions and facts have nothing to do with which I like better cause if it did I could go on and on, on the iOS's lack of customizability.
So yes like you just asked, when will iOS catch up to android?
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Exactly, my friend Dave has an iPhone 5s with iOS7 and I am running a samsung note II w/ cm 10.2 nightly 10/19 with plasma kernel running at 2.1GHz. For one show me an iPhone that can perform that fast and even running that fast my "stock" battery lasts me almost a fully 24 hrs and I'm a heavy user of games, web browsing, and media streaming. I tested my note side by side and the only thing it performed better was it booted up a second or two quicker. My opinions and facts have nothing to do with which I like better cause if it did I could go on and on, on the iOS's lack of customizability.
So yes like you just asked, when will iOS catch up to android?
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Edit: the iPhone performed better by a second or two with booting up.
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thats an exvellent question, one thats been asked a ton of times but left unanswered for yrs. i've asked that same question myself many a time on various forums only to be met with fanboy hate.
android possesses this innate lag and jitteriness that should have been resolved a long time ago. i read somewhere that its poss to make it lag free and smooth like it should. but to so would mean to dismantle the framework altogethe. and build it up from scratch. i dont kno if this is accurate or not. but i'd love to see android lag free finally.
one way that android is making the OS smooth is thru hardware, not software. wat i mean is, phone co.s like samsung are making faster processors amd packing more ram into phones, thus, making it appear smooth when in fact the OS is still latently snail slow. on a one to one ratio, iOS is FARRRR smoother and probly faster than android even with slower hardware cuz of its faster iOS.
i personally like android (not love it yet cuz of this issue) and prefer it to iOS. but if it werent for iphone's small screen and other bothersome kinks, i'd get one.
android has done a very poor job of making its OS smoother and faster. if it takes revamping the entire OS and starting it from the ground up, i think it'd be worth it. i really get disappointed when i slide my finger across the screen and still see lags, esp given the fact that its 2013 and the 1st gen iphone that debuted in 2007 is smoother and faster than android on any phone today.
Doesn't screen resolution matter when measuring lag/delay?
Cause no iPhone has had even a full 720p resolution screen to date.
I could honestly care less about lag/delay, for me choosing android was all about the customization.
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I've got no static,always present, status bar or virtual on screen navigation buttons or even any icons on my home screen, just widgets, not even an apps drawer icon, thanks to nova and pie pro everything is done via swipes or touching the left/right ends of screen to bring up pie(which also displays time/date/battery info) and thanks to PGM i don't even need to use any buttons to turn on the screen, just swipe up like BB10 or double tap like the LG G2.
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To the OP:
The first post seem to imply that the "lag" mentioned in the first post due to the OS alone. Now we all know that the OS alone is not the single factor in the overall performance of a computer. There are so many other factors to consider - CPU, GPU, RAM (and the type of memory chip), hardware bus size & speed, I/O and interfaces speed, screen display response and so many others.
The iPhone 5 has a 64-bit A7 CPU (first 64-bit chip for cellphones) as compared with all other cellphones with 32-bit CPUs, so there is no basis for your comparison 1st Post.
Was it the iPhone 5 that got the 64 bit? I was under the impression that it were the 5c/5s that were the first to get the 64.
Either way, Apple was the first.
I had the iPhone 4s. If it would have had a larger screen, I would still own it. Ironically I swapped for a note2 which has a.monster screen. Only problem is, IT'S NOT VISIBLE OUTDOOR EVEN ON A CLOUDY DAY.
iPhone 6, when it arrives...4.5 inch screen, retina display, super smooth performance. Sure it won't have all the customization that the latest android gadgets have. But I'm able to live without a phone that is not capable of doing the chicken dance with the swipe of three fingers.
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Seriously,i dont want to waste money on crap hardware(iphone).Android rules the smartphone world.
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if the iphone is such crap hardware, explain why the 1st gen iphone is smoother than today's android?
chan.sk said:
The first post seem to imply that the "lag" mentioned in the first post due to the OS alone. Now we all know that the OS alone is not the single factor in the overall performance of a computer. There are so many other factors to consider - CPU, GPU, RAM (and the type of memory chip), hardware bus size & speed, I/O and interfaces speed, screen display response and so many others.
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but it is due to the OS alone. if its due to hardware also like u said, then given todays hardware on android it should be superior to iphone. so wat are u talking abt? for ex, u got the note 3 with 3gb of ram and 2.3 ghz processor. its hardware beats the iphone big time. but the iphone is still faster and smoother that the note 3. so it MUST BE the OS.again, wat are u talking abt?
After a S2, Note 2, Note 3 and now a Galaxy S6 I didnt expect this.
My S6 after boot use more than 1.2 GB of System RAM which is simply insane compared to my Note 3 on stock Samsung lollipop or any other Android phone.
My applications get booted out of RAM all the time, Is this a problem with 920F or all variants of S6?
Simply unacceptable on a flagship device with 3 GB RAM.
Thanks for taking time to reply
Every phone i've owned has done this to some extent especially Samsung phones. Don't expect and you won't be let down. Don't expect a fix any time soon as all the phones you listed behave in the same manner (except they're slower)
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Every phone i've owned has done this to some extent especially Samsung phones. Don't expect and you won't be let down. Don't expect a fix any time soon as all the phones you listed behave in the same manner (except they're slower)
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Seriously, you for real? youre statement is simply not true at all.
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/07/27/samsung-galaxy-s6-gets-its-first-post-android-5-1-1-update/
according to the comments in that article there seem to be some improvement in RAM memory usage after that patch.
how do we check RAM? It's not in storage like it used to be....
Obagleyfreer said:
how do we check RAM? It's not in storage like it used to be....
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settings
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application manager
running
check System RAM usage
I think a little higher RAM doesn't effect liquidity.
It's all touchwiz it's just a resource hog. My s5 running fusion ROM 5.1.1 just flies and barely uses 800 MB RAM.
Well if ever cyanogenmod comes to S6 it's bye bye TouchWiz, I'm pretty happy with phone now except this RAM issue, using unikernel and performance governor on both a53 and A57.
However I am so tired of this Samsung software that always is supposed to be fixed and never is. Gonna check out Motorola Style and One Plus Two to see if the grass is greener on the other side.
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Well if ever cyanogenmod comes to S6 it's bye bye TouchWiz, I'm pretty happy with phone now except this RAM issue, using unikernel and performance governor on both a53 and A57.
However I am so tired of this Samsung software that always is supposed to be fixed and never is. Gonna check out Motorola Style and One Plus Two to see if the grass is greener on the other side.
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Check The New Motorola Moto X Pure Edition
maybe is best than galaxy s6