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just wondering how the STOCK droid bionic would compare to a rooted/GummyCharged 2.3.4 Droid Charge?
I know the Bionic is dual cpu, etc.. but my Droid Charge now feels VERY fast once I put GummyCharged 2.0 RC1.5 on it..
aliensquale said:
just wondering how the STOCK droid bionic would compare to a rooted/GummyCharged 2.3.4 Droid Charge?
I know the Bionic is dual cpu, etc.. but my Droid Charge now feels VERY fast once I put GummyCharged 2.0 RC1.5 on it..
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Actual usage is subjective, but if you pay attention to benchmarks, the Bionic is reportedly getting 2900+ in Quadrant. Not having used a Bionic, I can't tell you my subjective opinion.
how about in terms of the way both phones are geared towards rooting/rom, etc...
I heard the Bionic has a locked bootloader.. not sure what that means.. but is that a pain to put a ROM on that phone?
also... how is the battery life and the screen compare between the two phones?
In a non scientific way. I held both, my Charge has Humble. The Charge was moving through screens faster. Opening and closing apps faster and overall felt smoother. I was not doing 3d gaming while on a call, while writing a text, while listening to music and watching a movie!! I for one have not seen the real world benefit to dual cpu's has it stands today, other than grossly exagerrated Quadrant scores. Just my humble opinion.
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how about in terms of the way both phones are geared towards rooting/rom, etc...
I heard the Bionic has a locked bootloader.. not sure what that means.. but is that a pain to put a ROM on that phone?
also... how is the battery life and the screen compare between the two phones?
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Moto's do have locked bootloaders that you have to unlock to do any serious hacking to them. It's not difficult to unlock them, but the biggest disadvantage is that once you do unlock it, you're done as far as warranty support goes...you'll never make it stock again. Motorola says their phone's are not for developers or hackers, and they enforce that through the bootloader.
I will assume battery life is a bit better on the Bionic...dual-core is typically easy on battery, and it has a 1750mAh battery, so it has more juice out of the box than the Charge.
Motorola screens blow in comparison to Samsung. Using a Samsung screen will ruin you to all other screens, but Moto is on the lower end of screen quality. There are reports of significant banding on the Bionic screen. Again, not having used one, I can't give you my own subjective opinions, but I can say what I've read about the Bionic and observed on other phones.
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In a non scientific way. I held both, my Charge has Humble. The Charge was moving through screens faster. Opening and closing apps faster and overall felt smoother. I was not doing 3d gaming while on a call, while writing a text, while listening to music and watching a movie!! I for one have not seen the real world benefit to dual cpu's has it stands today, other than grossly exagerrated Quadrant scores. Just my humble opinion.
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And this is the case in general. Until things are coded to take advantage of dual-core, there will be little advantage. Android 2.x in general doesn't use multiple cores well. 3.x does a lot better, but those changes aren't coming to phones until Ice Cream Sandwich.
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Moto's do have locked bootloaders that you have to unlock to do any serious hacking to them. It's not difficult to unlock them, but the biggest disadvantage is that once you do unlock it, you're done as far as warranty support goes...you'll never make it stock again. Motorola says their phone's are not for developers or hackers, and they enforce that through the bootloader.
I will assume battery life is a bit better on the Bionic...dual-core is typically easy on battery, and it has a 1750mAh battery, so it has more juice out of the box than the Charge.
Motorola screens blow in comparison to Samsung. Using a Samsung screen will ruin you to all other screens, but Moto is on the lower end of screen quality. There are reports of significant banding on the Bionic screen. Again, not having used one, I can't give you my own subjective opinions, but I can say what I've read about the Bionic and observed on other phones.
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And this is the case in general. Until things are coded to take advantage of dual-core, there will be little advantage. Android 2.x in general doesn't use multiple cores well. 3.x does a lot better, but those changes aren't coming to phones until Ice Cream Sandwich.
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Well said. that is when I will look to make the jump. But for now I am happy.
This belongs in the Q&A or General section, not the development section.
May want to review these to gain an understanding of where to post what:
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By the book. Should this not be in Q&A? Just saying.
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By the book. Should this not be in Q&A? Just saying.
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Nah, this is asking a general interest type of question, not a question asking how do I do this or how do I do that. Questions asking specific guidance, instructions, or help belong in Q & A.
The Charge feels quicker, smoother, and snappier because we have outstanding ROMs for it. I'm running the latest Gummy GBE on EP1W and that versus a stock Bionic there is no comparison. But once you start to add web browsing and gaming and video taking and watching in higher definitions then that's where the 2nd core comes into play. I guarantee you the Bionic would be better than the Charge if you removed VZW's garbage and had an AOSP stock GB ROM on it, pure Google. But then again, that's exactly what Gummy is plus some extra cool stuff.
my GummyCharged GBE 2.0 RC1.5 is smoking fast.. that's all I know.. phone is like an entirely new phone now that I got that crap stock verizon EE4 off the phone..
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The Charge feels quicker, smoother, and snappier because we have outstanding ROMs for it. I'm running the latest Gummy GBE on EP1W and that versus a stock Bionic there is no comparison. But once you start to add web browsing and gaming and video taking and watching in higher definitions then that's where the 2nd core comes into play. I guarantee you the Bionic would be better than the Charge if you removed VZW's garbage and had an AOSP stock GB ROM on it, pure Google. But then again, that's exactly what Gummy is plus some extra cool stuff.
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Umm no that's not exactly what gummy is. Gummy is touchwiz based like every other fully functional rom for this phone. Not putting you or teamgummy down at all as it is by far the best charge rom out there (opinion) but it most certainly is not aosp. It has aosp built apps and some extras like you said but at the core, its still touchwiz.
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Umm no that's not exactly what gummy is. Gummy is touchwiz based like every other fully functional rom for this phone. Not putting you or teamgummy down at all as it is by far the best charge rom out there (opinion) but it most certainly is not aosp. It has aosp built apps and some extras like you said but at the core, its still touchwiz.
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A lot of stuff is built from source and the launcher is AOSP. I mainly meant that what you see is mostly AOSP because a lot of people would rather have AOSP than VZW crap and not a whole lot of people are a fan of Touchwiz.
I actually think TouchWiz is pretty nice... I have a Viewsonic G tablet running the CyonGen 7 mod.. Gingerbread 2.3.4.. I think that is basically ALL AOSP... and I have to say.. I a much prefer the GummyCharged 2.0 RC1.5 Gingerbread 2.3.4 with TouchWiz that is on my Samsung Droid Charge now... so I guess the difference is the TouchWiz.. and I have to say I like the TouchWiz much better than whatever the CyonGen 7 Gingerbread is...
Both roms run smoking fast too!!!
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A lot of stuff is built from source and the launcher is AOSP. I mainly meant that what you see is mostly AOSP because a lot of people would rather have AOSP than VZW crap and not a whole lot of people are a fan of Touchwiz.
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motorola's handset division is now owned by google.. this means future phones will be PREPPED for development. google will be on the forefront of this battle.
with the said.. the bionic is a gimmick phone. i've played with a couple of them and the UI drives me nuts. dual core blah blah.. its still a 1g processor. its not going to be FASTER, but will be able to more effectively run high load programs and apps.
I'd quote the last 2 posters but I'm too lazy right now (partied hard last night).
But alien: I totally agree with you and I like Touchwiz too, not the Charge's Touchwiz launcher, so I use TW4 from the Galaxy S2 when I do use that launcher.
diablo: Agreed on the Moto Google and agreed on the Bionic, UI is garbage, boring processor, it can do browsing and programs and apps better but not a whole lot. Enter Ice Cream Sandwich which will be using dual core to its potential. Nexus Prime will CRUSH the Bionic.
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The news comes straight in the form of two posts over on Google’s struggling social network Google+: one by a Google engineer who talks about how graphics work on Android and the other by a 3rd year software engineering student in reply to the first post. Both are pretty lengthy and can get pretty technical, so we’ll try simplifying it as much as we can.
We’ll start off with Google engineer Dianne Hackborn’s post. She states that hardware acceleration – i.e. using the GPU, instead of CPU alone, to render the user-interface – has existed on Android since version 1.0 for things such as sliding the notification bar, pop-up dialogues etc. Full hardware acceleration only came with Android 3.0 Honeycomb and, unsurprisingly, Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich actually has the same kind of hardware acceleration and this won’t necessarily sweeten things up.
Hackborn states that hardware acceleration “is not all full of win” since it takes away a lot of RAM when used for devices like Nexus S, Galaxy Nexus with OpenGL. Each process takes about 8MB of RAM and “isn’t worth it” considering the minimal effect it has on how “smooth” the UI looks after implementing it. So yes, hardware acceleration certainly helps, but it takes far too much processing power for it to be implemented to all parts of the UI.
She ends her post on how full, complete, A-to-Z hardware acceleration that results in 60 frames-per-second graphics is simply not possible, even with powerful chips like the Tegra 2.
Now, the question arises: why is it that even seemingly outdated phones like the iPhone 3GS offer a smoother UI than the latest Android smartphones? iOS uses hardware acceleration and that too on weaker hardware. How does Apple’s engineers manage to pull it off, then? Why can’t Google do the same?
That has been answered by Andrew Munn – software engineering student, ex-intern at Google and future intern with Windows Phone 7 team at Microsoft – who states that UI rendering processes in iOS occur with dedicated threads with real-time priority whereas on Android, UI rendering processes occur along with the main thread with normal priority. Whenever an iOS devices detects touch, it stops other processes and focuses all attention to rendering the UI. Android devices don’t do this, instead general processing and UI rendering occurs concurrently which results in choppy UI.
OMG....now developers...any help!!
First of all, it's all in our minds that gingerbread and ICS are all so much better than their predecessors. In reality, if you want 99.99% lag-free, just flash froyo 2.2.1 onto your Galaxy S. I've used JVQ, JVR,JVS, JVT, L41D's ICS and a bunch of custom roms, but the most lag free of all roms was Froyo ZSJPK.
So full acceleration will be in ics OK.
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So full acceleration will be in ics OK.
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No... The article said they will try to compensate for it with ram. Hardware acceleration well be turned off if it in fact makes the phone slower.
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To my mind, the Android way is the only real multitasked way (if what the intern says is correct...)
Sounds rather silly to stop all background tasks if you touch the screen?
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To my mind, the Android way is the only real multitasked way (if what the intern says is correct...)
Sounds rather silly to stop all background tasks if you touch the screen?
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Dude which background process is using your GPU??
It sounds correct, and like some one says, its really random, i mean... you may use a GB and is super smooth, or an ICS and everyone claim it to be super smooth, and for me, is not, and is not by any mean... lets hope, in some ways this things to be corrected at some point...
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To my mind, the Android way is the only real multitasked way (if what the intern says is correct...)
Sounds rather silly to stop all background tasks if you touch the screen?
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Indeed, but obviously Apple obviously value smooth UI above strict task scheduling... personally I don't care for style over substance... But if it's THAT important to someone buying a phone for it to look far better than it actually functions, they buy an iPhone!
I LOLd... then I LOLd again. Then stopped, had a deep breath and LOLd for the 3rd time.
So iOS is better because it gives priority to UI rendering, meaning that if you touch the screen like you're possessed, you get low framerate, and that sounds ok to you.
Ok.
That's a different approach, and may I remind you that multitasking was added (well, kinda...) to iOS in... like... 4.0? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS#Multitasking
next gen phones with 2 gb ram
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So iOS is better because it gives priority to UI rendering, meaning that if you touch the screen like you're possessed, you get low framerate, and that sounds ok to you.
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What are you talking about?
There are no fps drops.
Actually iOS (and WP7) is incredibly smooth, unlike android.
And to be honest that's a huge advantage for those OSes.
It just feels better.
Android seems to be targeting quantity rather than quality.
At least for now.
The only reason android lag is because of low ram. My galaxy s lags when on JVT and ICS because the free ram is always less than 120mb, hence the cpu has to constantly close and reopen background processes. But on froyo 2.2.1, I always have more than 150mb of free ram and it never lags.
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To my mind, the Android way is the only real multitasked way (if what the intern says is correct...)
Sounds rather silly to stop all background tasks if you touch the screen?
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To me, the only true multitasker that doesn't sleep your programs without your permission or keep programs running when you actually want to exit them are symbian and maemo. At least on those two, when you exit an app, it really exits and when you minimize an app, it really minimizes.
On a multi (core) cpu only bandwidth should limit performance. Using a proper kernel / scheduler it is possible to dedicate a certain amount of processing power to any thread. Why not to the ui?
never say never.
ICS on my galaxy nexus is incredibly smooth.
zyo said:
never say never.
ICS on my galaxy nexus is incredibly smooth.
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teamhacksungs ICS on my i9000 is pretty darn smooth already- Not having seen it on the Galaxy Nexus in person, I can imagine it runs like a dream
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teamhacksungs ICS on my i9000 is pretty darn smooth already- Not having seen it on the Galaxy Nexus in person, I can imagine it runs like a dream
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It's not smooth. Don't be a dreamer. But it will be smooth. We are sure.
For me 2.3.6 is the most stable stock rom I have ever used. And after adding tweaks and semaphore on deodexed jvx its just better. It dances on my fingers but still their are things which are not as smooth as they should be or can be. I don't think it's is that smooth, windows 7 is smoother(ios Is also pretty smooth but after using them personally I found that wp7 is smoother) . But whatever it is, android is just getting better and better so no problem. Regarding cm9 or ics ports, they are not as good as some people claim. They are good but the best ics will be from samsung. Still I am pretty sure cm 9 will be very good once it goes into nightly.
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It's not smooth. Don't be a dreamer. But it will be smooth. We are sure.
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Yes not smooth but has less fc's all over other android versions
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never say never.
ICS on my galaxy nexus is incredibly smooth.
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I've got one as well. It's not that smooth, in fact it seems less smooth than my Galaxy S II.
If it is just about priority, will this app help ?
https://market.android.com/details?...SwyLDEsInNvYXBib3guc3ltM3RyeS5tcm5pY2VndXkiXQ..
So a partial spec list for the iPhone 5 was released, and it mentioned the processor being 1 GHz. Now lets assume that this is a dual core CPU, and lets also assume that there is active GPU rendering as in Android 4.0 +.
The IP4s has a dual core, 800 MHz Cortex A9, (A9 just like most modern phones). now however, if you take that 800 MHz CPU and put android onto it, we aren't going to see anything special happen.
I'm way too tired to finish this post now, but basically, I'm curious if anyone knows why iOS seems to be so much more efficient than android does.
I refuse to have this turn into the typical VS thread and will just lock it if it does. I would like this to be a discussion about the firmware (as much as we know at least) and anything technical.
please, feel free to correct me of anything i have said.
Umm, because iOS is tailored for that exact hardware?
Have you ever used a Nexus phone? Runs really damn well for the specs, because Android is tailored to those specs first and foremost.
Apple puts in lots of tricks to make the user experience of iOS a smooth one. (Example: when waiting for a web page to load and you start dragging, iOS actually stops the process of loading the page and focuses everything on your finger. Android continues to load the page).
No true multitasking to bog down RAM as well. Simple OS, simpler hardware.
Also the post above. Tailored hardware. Just look at WP7 and their single core snapdragons!
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Umm, because iOS is tailored for that exact hardware?
Have you ever used a Nexus phone? Runs really damn well for the specs, because Android is tailored to those specs first and foremost.
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Unfortunately, as I was having issues with AOKP rebooting at the time my friend got his GNex, I haven't been allowed to touch a nexus LOL
gagdude said:
Apple puts in lots of tricks to make the user experience of iOS a smooth one. (Example: when waiting for a web page to load and you start dragging, iOS actually stops the process of loading the page and focuses everything on your finger. Android continues to load the page).
No true multitasking to bog down RAM as well. Simple OS, simpler hardware.
Also the post above. Tailored hardware. Just look at WP7 and their single core snapdragons!
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See i thought it had to do with the dedicated hardware, with the non nexus users getting shafted.
I'm curious of things like... lags in the messaging app. I don't have that many messages (all threads are capped at 450 and 20 pics) yet I still have some bad lag on my phone.
I guess I'm curious if we can get into the reasons why some apps and processes (messaging app etc) will lag, and if there is a known way to improve the issues.
glad to see this hasn't gotten to an outright flame war yet lol
I figure it's very similar to power-to-weight ratio. Some lightweight cars with lower horsepower are much faster than 2-ton cars with massive horsepower.
The lack of multitasking alone would have a huge impact. I think that could be tested in a Rom like AOKP, by telling it to destroy the activity as soon as the user leaves it. I don't have access to an iPhone to compare to, though.
Either way, I'd rather have a heavier, more full-featured OS today requires better hardware than iOS.
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I figure it's very similar to power-to-weight ratio. Some lightweight cars with lower horsepower are much faster than 2-ton cars with massive horsepower.
The lack of multitasking alone would have a huge impact. I think that could be tested in a Rom like AOKP, by telling it to destroy the activity as soon as the user leaves it. I don't have access to an iPhone to compare to, though.
Either way, I'd rather have a heavier, more full-featured OS today requires better hardware than iOS.
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It seems that iOS has a better featured multitasking than this though... it doesn't completely destroy the task (or it seems not to)
Read here.
http://androidandme.com/2011/12/news/android-may-never-be-as-smooth-as-ios-says-ex-googler/
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https://plus.google.com/app/plus/mp/66/#~loop:view=activity&aid=z124gl3b2o3jzx0ll220gfnhmuusu54rk04
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It seems that iOS has a better featured multitasking than this though... it doesn't completely destroy the task (or it seems not to)
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From what I've read, that depends on the task/API. iOS doesn't multitask as well as Android, certainly. Destroying all tasks on Android wouldn't be a perfect comparison, but you can see if it makes a big difference or not.
The UI rendering thing above games sense, but on my T-Mobile GSII, I don't experience any noticeable or bothersome lag. It was stable and smooth until I switched from AOKP ICS to AOKP JB. Smooth, sure, but JB is a work in progress.
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It seems that iOS has a better featured multitasking than this though... it doesn't completely destroy the task (or it seems not to)
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No, it just forces suspension within 5 seconds of all but a few special types of programs. (Which, in case you weren't sure, is neither as flexible nor good.)
See this link for information on both: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/112013-how-multitasking-works-on-android-and-ios
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The IP4s has a dual core, 800 MHz Cortex A9, (A9 just like most modern phones). now however, if you take that 800 MHz CPU and put android onto it, we aren't going to see anything special happen.
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Makes me actually wonder what would happen if you put Jellybean on comparable specs. Not enough to try looking for it, though. It's not like better hardware has not been cheaply available for some years.
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Unfortunately, as I was having issues with AOKP rebooting at the time my friend got his GNex, I haven't been allowed to touch a nexus LOL
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Ahh, you be missing out. Especially with a few of the new tricks Jellybean added to bump it up to a iOS similar experience. Although with Android being so much more advanced than iOS I still think iOS will appear a little faster. However, I'd much rather have true multitasking, open file system, and massive customization than a slightly faster phone (and honestly, we're splitting hairs at this point)
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From what I've read, that depends on the task/API. iOS doesn't multitask as well as Android, certainly. Destroying all tasks on Android wouldn't be a perfect comparison, but you can see if it makes a big difference or not.
The UI rendering thing above games sense, but on my T-Mobile GSII, I don't experience any noticeable or bothersome lag. It was stable and smooth until I switched from AOKP ICS to AOKP JB. Smooth, sure, but JB is a work in progress.
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See i run cm9 on my herc, and the lag in the keyboard and messaging app kills me. I hate tw, but im tempted to go go try evo8 just cuz tdj is god.
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No, it just forces suspension within 5 seconds of all but a few special types of programs. (Which, in case you weren't sure, is neither as flexible nor good.)
See this link for information on both: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/112013-how-multitasking-works-on-android-and-ios
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Makes me actually wonder what would happen if you put Jellybean on comparable specs. Not enough to try looking for it, though. It's not like better hardware has not been cheaply available for some years.
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Is jelly bean really that much better than ics? The issues with the dev for my phone has caused me to have to avoid it as I wake up at 4 and if my phone decides to random reboot and get stuck then I'm fubard.
Thanks for the link btw, cleared many things up!
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Ahh, you be missing out. Especially with a few of the new tricks Jellybean added to bump it up to a iOS similar experience. Although with Android being so much more advanced than iOS I still think iOS will appear a little faster. However, I'd much rather have true multitasking, open file system, and massive customization than a slightly faster phone (and honestly, we're splitting hairs at this point)
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Lol I figured in was missing out. My next phone probably will be a nexus. But I just can't help but love the powerhouses of non nexus phones.
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Is jelly bean really that much better than ics? The issues with the dev for my phone has caused me to have to avoid it as I wake up at 4 and if my phone decides to random reboot and get stuck then I'm fubard.
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To be honest, I haven't been able to notice any lag even with ics.
JB supposedly fixes most/all of the lag issues, and is quite smooth on N7. However, you are correct in that it is only as good as the deving is. For example, CM10 on the S3 suffers from a memory leak (largely due to the "official" kernel not being available yet) and automatically closes apps as a result. So I can't make any promises.
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To be honest, I haven't been able to notice any lag even with ics. (Maybe it's the hardware difference; I'm using GN.)
JB supposedly fixes most/all of the lag issues, and is quite smooth on N7. However, you are correct in that it is only as good as the deving is. For example, CM10 on the S3 suffers from a memory leak (largely due to the "official" kernel not being available yet) and automatically closes apps as a result. So I can't make any promises.
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We have some great devs for the herc, but unfortunately since we don't have source either (and won't till probably 2013 if Sammy keeps their word... and never will if they don't lol) these guys are moving forward... but just. Not trash talking in any way.
I thought I saw an optimization someone had posted here for the XML layout of the messaging app... but of course I didn't save the link and haven't found it again
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new ion? said:
We have some great devs for the herc, but unfortunately since we don't have source either (and won't till probably 2013 if Sammy keeps their word... and never will if they don't lol) these guys are moving forward... but just. Not trash talking in any way.
I thought I saw an optimization someone had posted here for the XML layout of the messaging app... but of course I didn't save the link and haven't found it again
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Yeah I get it.
I think the best way to scope out buggy ROMs is just to read their threads, watch for complaints. And, of course, get another alarm clock redundancy is always a good thing.
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Yeah I get it.
I think the best way to scope out buggy ROMs is just to read their threads, watch for complaints. And, of course, get another alarm clock redundancy is always a good thing.
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Bought one, dropped it once and the time reset. I'm not spending another 5 mins adjusting it to the right time. Lol.
So basically, iOS is a lighter OS all together,(with a bit of smoke and mirrors) whereas android is more of a powerhouse. Take a bit more to keep er running, but its well worth it.
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So basically, iOS is a lighter OS all together,(with a bit of smoke and mirrors) whereas android is more of a powerhouse. Take a bit more to keep er running, but its well worth it.
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Thing about android is that it improves, both in terms of hardware (due to competition between oems that iOS never really faces) and software (due to google benefiting only if consumers actually want to use it, not just buy it). The cost of this is that everything moves so quickly for the corporations (the bureaucracy in pushing an update is so intense, for example) that old devices may be much worse than the devices two years later. But the benefit is also that new devices are so much better than the devices two years earlier.
Why do I mention this? Because every release also gets closer and closer to the point that "you no longer have to change from stock to get a good experience". Indeed, this may already be true depending on individual requirements, and for most I daresay it is already true for, example, the S3 or GN. So, while I would agree with your "powerhouse" characterization in broad strokes, the "maintenance" associated with such a thing gets less and less accurate. An analogy might be: in the past, it would've taken an expert to fine-tune a powerful device like a computer, whereas now, it's a non-issue.
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Thing about android is that it improves, both in terms of hardware (due to competition between oems that iOS never really faces) and software (due to google benefiting only if consumers actually want to use it, not just buy it). The cost of this is that everything moves so quickly for the corporations (the bureaucracy in pushing an update is so intense, for example) that old devices may be much worse than the devices two years later. But the benefit is also that new devices are so much better than the devices two years earlier.
Why do I mention this? Because every release also gets closer and closer to the point that "you no longer have to change from stock to get a good experience". Indeed, this may already be true depending on individual requirements, and for most I daresay it is already true for, example, the S3 or GN. So, while I would agree with your "powerhouse" characterization in broad strokes, the "maintenance" associated with such a thing gets less and less accurate. An analogy might be: in the past, it would've taken an expert to fine-tune a powerful device like a computer, whereas now, it's a non-issue.
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thing is though, that I kinda really like the external SD card. and the GN doesn't have it. neither does the N7 (or any other nexus IIRC) which scares me for the next one...
Totally understand. the flip side of this is that Apple has the chance to develop for their 3 year old phone still (3gS) whereas my phone, purchased last year, is BARELY going to get JB officially... and it took almost a year to get ICS. I kind of wish these phone makers had to slow it down a bit.
I'm curious though, hoping for a broader opinion, what do people think that iOS does better than Android? When i get the time I'm going to start coding again and I'd like a project to look into.
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thing is though, that I kinda really like the external SD card. and the GN doesn't have it. neither does the N7 (or any other nexus IIRC) which scares me for the next one...
Totally understand. the flip side of this is that Apple has the chance to develop for their 3 year old phone still (3gS) whereas my phone, purchased last year, is BARELY going to get JB officially... and it took almost a year to get ICS. I kind of wish these phone makers had to slow it down a bit.
I'm curious though, hoping for a broader opinion, what do people think that iOS does better than Android? When i get the time I'm going to start coding again and I'd like a project to look into.
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What they think is better? To name a few
Stable, no viruses, faster, retina display, made by apple, great UI, better updates, blah blah blah (this is what I have heard from many isheep)
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What they think is better? To name a few
Stable, no viruses, faster, retina display, made by apple, great UI, better updates, blah blah blah (this is what I have heard from many isheep)
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there are viruses for everything. and their precious retina display is no better than a 720 one.
I was more referring to people that use both, and aren't total fanboys, what does iOS do better than android?
Steve Kondik recently put up a post on Google+ in response to websites in general that were stating no CM support for the Galaxy S4. He stated that cyanogenmod definitely will support the S4, and hopefully this should put to rest all the rumors on this.
Source: https://plus.google.com/100275307499530023476/posts/U2Phq8KowGQ
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Steve Kondik recently put up a post on Google+ in response to websites in general that were stating no CM support for the Galaxy S4. He stated that cyanogenmod definitely will support the S4, and hopefully this should put to rest all the rumors on this.
Source: https://plus.google.com/100275307499530023476/posts/U2Phq8KowGQ
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I'd personally stick to stock rom. It's the most stable and offers the most features.
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I'd personally stick to stock rom. It's the most stable and offers the most features.
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I try and keep my phones for a long time. I'm still using the i9000 and its been almost 3 years now. CM/AOSP is the one thing that helps keep my phone up to date even after the manufacturer stops supporting the device.
He has Mentioned S4 but which S4 GT-I9500 or GT-I9505
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He has Mentioned S4 but which S4 GT-I9500 or GT-I9505
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I'm sure it would be both variants, else he would have mentioned it.
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I'm sure it would be both variants, else he would have mentioned it.
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let's hope you are true
The one thing I love in Samsung phones over others is the fact that it has a buttload of software features. Now, that being said, what I love more is running AOSP on it or CM which means losing those features BUT if you've heard of dual boot....
Just seeing that post gave me a smile, I know what my next phone is
Cool...:good:
It's highly unlikely that the GT-I9500 [Exynos] variant would get stable CM if Samsung remain stingy with the codes required.
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ilabs said:
I try and keep my phones for a long time. I'm still using the i9000 and its been almost 3 years now. CM/AOSP is the one thing that helps keep my phone up to date even after the manufacturer stops supporting the device.
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The only reason you're using cm is cause you're using an old phone that doesn't have any special features of touchwiz that came after the S3 and Note 2. I had the GS1, and I couldn't handle using stock for that. But after the S3, things have changed. Now Samsung offers much more on top of being the most stable and smoothest. There is no reason to lose features, even simple features such as MHL is gone with paranoid android. I am back on stock and can't be happier knowing things are smooth and no stupid bugs.
^^^^^^ totally disagree. May lose some Sammy features, but CM /AOSP offers the best customization and smoothness.
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^^^^^^ totally disagree. May lose some Sammy features, but CM /AOSP offers the best customization and smoothness.
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It's all a matter of taste. Samsung has been including lots of customizations to its Touchwiz interface for the past couple of years.
Customizations that were only included on CM before are now present on Touchwiz and I'm really glad Samsung is paying attention to what people want.
That's my understating of it anyway. I'll still flash CM ROM's when a new Android comes just to see how it is before having to wait for Samsung to update it.
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The only reason you're using cm is cause you're using an old phone that doesn't have any special features of touchwiz that came after the S3 and Note 2. I had the GS1, and I couldn't handle using stock for that. But after the S3, things have changed. Now Samsung offers much more on top of being the most stable and smoothest. There is no reason to lose features, even simple features such as MHL is gone with paranoid android. I am back on stock and can't be happier knowing things are smooth and no stupid bugs.
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Yes, I agree with you on that. Samsung does stuff in enough features that you may not need CM/AOSP. But my concern is still about after Samsung stops supporting the handset for android upgrades. I doubt I would have been able to run my i9000 on GB till now.
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I'd personally stick to stock rom. It's the most stable and offers the most features.
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This times 500000000000 billion. Do not care about CM one bit.
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Why not have the best of both worlds? Use the handset with stock for the first year or so, and then when Samsung is getting slow on the updates (or stopping) start rolling with AOSP. In a similar way when I built my computer I ran my processor and GPU like normal for a few years. After that, I started overclocking to help keep pace with games and stuff. That is, unless you intend to upgrade every year in which case it won't matter as much.
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Why not have the best of both worlds? Use the handset with stock for the first year or so, and then when Samsung is getting slow on the updates (or stopping) start rolling with AOSP..
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Agreed. To me that's the biggest upside of AOSP ROMs, having the latest version of Android. When you've always got the latest software it's a lot easier to hold onto your hardware for a while longer. I plan to stick with stock for quite a while.
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I'd personally stick to stock rom. It's the most stable and offers the most features.
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barondebxl said:
This times 500000000000 billion. Do not care about CM one bit.
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Then why even bother to post your obvious disdain here.. Couldn't resist the opportunity?
There are those of us that are looking forward to it..
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But I doubt CM will still have the hand/eye gesture features.
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^^^^^^ totally disagree. May lose some Sammy features, but CM /AOSP offers the best customization and smoothness.
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Not necessarily. From my experience, touchwiz based ROMs get better battery life, stability etc. than CM. Or at worse, it's barely noticeable, even if such differences do exist. And you miss out on awesome dev - like Perseus on AOSP (best kernel for Note 2/SGS3 IMHO).
Can't wait to overclock an overclocked CPU with some CM!
I am talking about two thing: OS smoothness and OS input lag.
For years Android just hasn't come close to the smooth, and lag free feel of iOS. This video shows exactly what I mean about android input lag. iOS is far ahead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvQCPLkPt4
iPhone 5 : 55 ms
S4: 114 ms
HTC One: 121 ms
The iPhone 5 is over twice as responsive as the fastest android!
That video just shows the input lag difference. iOS is very noticably lower input lag than Android. Thats why i hate playing games on Android. Its a pain in the ass. Some of you might say you dont notice the lag, but its there, and i notice it.
Same thing happens with HDTVs. Casual gamers say their hdtvs dont have lag. But they really do, its just casuals dont notice it. Hardcore gamers easily can notice.
Now onto OS smoothness. For years Android has had laggy scrolling or jerky movement. iOS is smooth as butter, so smoooooth. I love it. Android was awful scrolling webpages. Project butter MUCH improved Android. But still, iOS is far smoother. Will Android ever be smooth as butter like iOS or is it impossible without a closed, optimized OS?
i believe when android 5.0 comes it will be equal but you have to remember that android has alot more customizable features wgen ios doesnt, those features like widgets and animations cause lag, thats just my thoughts about that
Honestly what I have found is that it depends on the quality of the app you are using and how quickly you move your fingers. If I am slowly scrolling through xda there is a ton of lag but it is a poorly written app and I'm moving slow. However scrolling on the home screen in Nova I notice no lag. I have used my note 2 next to the newest ipad as well as my note 10.1 and there are different situations that each has an advantage over all though I would give the edge to my note 2 over the two tablets.
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I've made sure it was same apps etc and moving as close to the same speed on each hand with each device as I could. Still the note 2 trumped the iPhone 5s in every scenario...camera, browsing, YouTube, Facebook, etc... IPhone lagged at least 3-5 second behind the note 2.
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To the OP, I don't think android will ever catch up because of the denial. See from the replies that some don't even believe there's a problem.
Any android first day out of the box will always be more problematic than an iPhone even after its a year old.
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I have never had an issue with a stock android out the box bought one apple product and had issues with it before iTunes could even update it. Will never go to apple. And there's no denial I've seen it first hand. Kinda hard to deny visual proof...duh.
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I've used an iPhone before I got my nexus 4. Definitely a bit more responsive and less lag. But then iPhones don't require as many resources to run its OS, because its much simpler
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I've used an iPhone before I got my nexus 4. Definitely a bit more responsive and less lag. But then iPhones don't require as many resources to run its OS, because its much simpler
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True, I just wonder if Google can match iOS in the near future, and what their solutions could be? Fragmentation is a major problem.
I tried out the Lumia 900 Windows phone for a week and even though I hated it and would rather have any android over it, the Windows os was much smoother in terms of lag.
Think about this, when iPhone users jailbreak, it's so they customize. It's not about performance.
Android users root so they can customize but also to a large degree make the thing run smoother. That in and of itself says something..
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And another curious matter, I got my iPhone from at&t and there was not nearly as much bloatware as the note 2 (also at&t,) had before I rooted and rommed. Why?
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Terms between apple & Verizon and android and Verizon
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vegetaflash said:
...I am talking about two thing: OS smoothness and OS input lag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvQCPLkPt4
iPhone 5 : 55 ms
S4: 114 ms
HTC One: 121 ms
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I saw the video posted on your link. There was no mention of the performance for the phones you mentioned. I am interested to know where did you get the performance figures mentioned.
To the OP:
This is a difficult location to get an unbiased answer. You're basically walking into Toyota and asking if Chevrolet vehicles are better. Of course you are going to find fanboys who defend their devices to the byte. That's a given.
But now, on to business. As someone mentioned earlier, Android uses way more resources than iOS. Ever noticed how smooth a rom moves after a fresh flash with nothing installed? There's a lot less "lag." I think that Android will continue he getting closer to the bar that has been set by Apple products. Am I saying that Apple is better? No. You're question has nothing to do with preference, and I shall not share mine. I am just sharing my unbiased opinion.
Also, I think that "lag" is the wrong word to use for your description in the first post. Delay is a much more appropriate and concise word in my opinion. I define lag as excessive delay. Stutters I consider to be lag, but 55ms vs 114ms is definitely delay, not lag. I'm just saying...lag tends to have a terrible meaning behind it, and much worse than the example that you provided.
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Yet an iPhone 4S with IOS7 seemed to lag more than my "budget" Optimus L9. Now call me a "fandroid". Now how about we ask if IOS will ever catch up to Android in features/options/freedom, then compare to see if Android lags more.
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It will be faster and responsive after installing a custom rom and kernel. That's why we are here. I'm not hating on iOS. I love it but I like the customizibility more on Android.
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Yet an iPhone 4S with IOS7 seemed to lag more than my "budget" Optimus L9. Now call me a "fandroid". Now how about we ask if IOS will ever catch up to Android in features/options/freedom, then compare to see if Android lags more.
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Exactly, my friend Dave has an iPhone 5s with iOS7 and I am running a samsung note II w/ cm 10.2 nightly 10/19 with plasma kernel running at 2.1GHz. For one show me an iPhone that can perform that fast and even running that fast my "stock" battery lasts me almost a fully 24 hrs and I'm a heavy user of games, web browsing, and media streaming. I tested my note side by side and the only thing it performed better was it booted up a second or two quicker. My opinions and facts have nothing to do with which I like better cause if it did I could go on and on, on the iOS's lack of customizability.
So yes like you just asked, when will iOS catch up to android?
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Exactly, my friend Dave has an iPhone 5s with iOS7 and I am running a samsung note II w/ cm 10.2 nightly 10/19 with plasma kernel running at 2.1GHz. For one show me an iPhone that can perform that fast and even running that fast my "stock" battery lasts me almost a fully 24 hrs and I'm a heavy user of games, web browsing, and media streaming. I tested my note side by side and the only thing it performed better was it booted up a second or two quicker. My opinions and facts have nothing to do with which I like better cause if it did I could go on and on, on the iOS's lack of customizability.
So yes like you just asked, when will iOS catch up to android?
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Edit: the iPhone performed better by a second or two with booting up.
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I am talking about two thing: OS smoothness and OS input lag.
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thats an exvellent question, one thats been asked a ton of times but left unanswered for yrs. i've asked that same question myself many a time on various forums only to be met with fanboy hate.
android possesses this innate lag and jitteriness that should have been resolved a long time ago. i read somewhere that its poss to make it lag free and smooth like it should. but to so would mean to dismantle the framework altogethe. and build it up from scratch. i dont kno if this is accurate or not. but i'd love to see android lag free finally.
one way that android is making the OS smooth is thru hardware, not software. wat i mean is, phone co.s like samsung are making faster processors amd packing more ram into phones, thus, making it appear smooth when in fact the OS is still latently snail slow. on a one to one ratio, iOS is FARRRR smoother and probly faster than android even with slower hardware cuz of its faster iOS.
i personally like android (not love it yet cuz of this issue) and prefer it to iOS. but if it werent for iphone's small screen and other bothersome kinks, i'd get one.
android has done a very poor job of making its OS smoother and faster. if it takes revamping the entire OS and starting it from the ground up, i think it'd be worth it. i really get disappointed when i slide my finger across the screen and still see lags, esp given the fact that its 2013 and the 1st gen iphone that debuted in 2007 is smoother and faster than android on any phone today.
Doesn't screen resolution matter when measuring lag/delay?
Cause no iPhone has had even a full 720p resolution screen to date.
I could honestly care less about lag/delay, for me choosing android was all about the customization.
Eg.
I've got no static,always present, status bar or virtual on screen navigation buttons or even any icons on my home screen, just widgets, not even an apps drawer icon, thanks to nova and pie pro everything is done via swipes or touching the left/right ends of screen to bring up pie(which also displays time/date/battery info) and thanks to PGM i don't even need to use any buttons to turn on the screen, just swipe up like BB10 or double tap like the LG G2.
https://picasaweb.google.com/m/zoom...93745394&viewportWidth=320&viewportHeight=416
To the OP:
The first post seem to imply that the "lag" mentioned in the first post due to the OS alone. Now we all know that the OS alone is not the single factor in the overall performance of a computer. There are so many other factors to consider - CPU, GPU, RAM (and the type of memory chip), hardware bus size & speed, I/O and interfaces speed, screen display response and so many others.
The iPhone 5 has a 64-bit A7 CPU (first 64-bit chip for cellphones) as compared with all other cellphones with 32-bit CPUs, so there is no basis for your comparison 1st Post.
Was it the iPhone 5 that got the 64 bit? I was under the impression that it were the 5c/5s that were the first to get the 64.
Either way, Apple was the first.
I had the iPhone 4s. If it would have had a larger screen, I would still own it. Ironically I swapped for a note2 which has a.monster screen. Only problem is, IT'S NOT VISIBLE OUTDOOR EVEN ON A CLOUDY DAY.
iPhone 6, when it arrives...4.5 inch screen, retina display, super smooth performance. Sure it won't have all the customization that the latest android gadgets have. But I'm able to live without a phone that is not capable of doing the chicken dance with the swipe of three fingers.
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Seriously,i dont want to waste money on crap hardware(iphone).Android rules the smartphone world.
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if the iphone is such crap hardware, explain why the 1st gen iphone is smoother than today's android?
chan.sk said:
The first post seem to imply that the "lag" mentioned in the first post due to the OS alone. Now we all know that the OS alone is not the single factor in the overall performance of a computer. There are so many other factors to consider - CPU, GPU, RAM (and the type of memory chip), hardware bus size & speed, I/O and interfaces speed, screen display response and so many others.
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but it is due to the OS alone. if its due to hardware also like u said, then given todays hardware on android it should be superior to iphone. so wat are u talking abt? for ex, u got the note 3 with 3gb of ram and 2.3 ghz processor. its hardware beats the iphone big time. but the iphone is still faster and smoother that the note 3. so it MUST BE the OS.again, wat are u talking abt?