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How do you guys like your new thunderbolt, is it better then your rooted droid 1.2ghz custom rom switching beast?
Sell me please cause i think its time i should get a new phone, this one looks promising but i need some help from you guys.

David522d said:
How do you guys like your new thunderbolt, is it better then your rooted droid 1.2ghz custom rom switching beast?
Sell me please cause i think its time i should get a new phone, this one looks promising but i need some help from you guys.
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*raises hand*
Blows my OG droid out of the water. The Droid 1 is severely lacking RAM and internal memory department for modern versions of android and apps. Overclocking into the stratosphere an an ARM7 architecture chip will only get you so far...
Yes the thunderbolt is miles away better than the OG droid,

I came from a rooted Droid. Last ROM on the Droid was Peter Alfonso's gingerbread ROMS.
As great as the OG Droid was, it doesn't hold a candle to the Thunderbolt. Fast doesn't even cover the speed of this phone and if you live in an area with 4G it's hard to conceive Internet as fast as VZ 4G
Also, coming from stock Android, I was pleasantly surprised by Sense and how easy it is to customize. I might be in thee minority, but I like the HTC messaging app/widgets so much, I don't even use Handcent anymore.
Also, the screen is nothing short of beautiful and responsive. I like my Thunderbolt more and more everyday. When we finally get Skype I will be over the moon.

I did and am loving it. It's so much faster and having a lot of RAM really gets you far. Also, I've been pretty impressed by Sense.
Sent from my Thunderbolt

I Had an OG Droid for a bit (Among other phones) , Thunderbolt faster/Better gaming/ Front Camera/ Bigger Screen/ 4g/ the List goes on...

i love my og droid, but im not looking back. the thunderbolt is a beast and i'm very happy with it...even without the keyboard I thought I'd miss so much...only gonna use the droid if I get rid of the TB while I wait for something newer..

I'm coming from a rooted OC'd to 1.25GHz OG Droid. The Droid was a great phone and I had lots of fun with it... but the low amount of memory was starting to cause issues.
The Thunderbolt is immeasurably faster. Everything is smooth and everything just happens instantly. No redraw issues ... the home screen just loads up right when I hit the home button.
I thought sense was pretty neat when I first got the phone, but I'm happy to have root so that I can get an AOSP ROM on this thing as soon as they start coming out. Maybe you'll be the same, maybe not. But you do have the choice
My recommendation: Get it on a one year contract. Tons of exciting things happening in the near future with phones. Next year we'll (maybe) have quad core phones with high DPI screens and better battery life.

Zshazz said:
I'm coming from a rooted OC'd to 1.25GHz OG Droid. The Droid was a great phone and I had lots of fun with it... but the low amount of memory was starting to cause issues.
The Thunderbolt is immeasurably faster. Everything is smooth and everything just happens instantly. No redraw issues ... the home screen just loads up right when I hit the home button.
I thought sense was pretty neat when I first got the phone, but I'm happy to have root so that I can get an AOSP ROM on this thing as soon as they start coming out. Maybe you'll be the same, maybe not. But you do have the choice
My recommendation: Get it on a one year contract. Tons of exciting things happening in the near future with phones. Next year we'll (maybe) have quad core phones with high DPI screens and better battery life.
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Thats what i think i'm going to do, and yes im going to root... I played with the phone and sense, its okay. But i'm going to remove it and have a nice stock feel as to when i got my droid, then its time for the fun.
Is the process of rooting easy? any one clicks now?

I came from an OG Droid... and all I can say is WOW!! this phones is awesome!
as for rooting, its really not that bad, there are some easy root methods you can find on here, and there is a very strong development community already behind this phone.

Coming from rooted OC'd etc etc etc OG droid to TB and wow the difference in looks and performance is so much better.
Also just OC'd the TB to 1516Mhz. Amazing I tell ya.

This picture alone should sell you on the Thunderbolt vs the Droid.
Aside from the obvious gains from the processor/ram the screen and just the all around feel of the phone is amazing compared to the D1. You will not regret this purchase. <-- that statement comes from a consistent buyers remorse victim.

Came from an OG Droid running Sapphire. It treated me well, but the hardware on the TBolt just blows it out of the water. Now if we only had some AOSP goodness lol.

My two-cents: I agree with everyone regarding the huge performance increase of TB. It's also a much sexier device than Droid. However, I am NOT digging Sense. It's mostly not the launcher itself, but its invasion of apps that were fine (nay, wonderful) before, but whose Sense version suck (calendar, dialer, music, clock, sms/mms...). My Droid has CM7 RC3 on it and I really miss the more vanilla feel. There's also a TON of bloat on the phone and looking at the running task list makes me want to puke a little. Battery life is obv. a huge change too.
TL;DR: performance is a huge improvement, I hate Sense and am anxiously waiting for a working CM7 ROM. Oh, and there's the 4G, which is amazing.

David522d said:
Is the process of rooting easy? any one clicks now?
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I tried the easy method mentioned in Android Central, and didn't have much success with it, and ended up using the manual method using ADB. It wasn't too painful, and as long as you're careful and verify the MD5s when performing the root, it's not that scary.
I'm sure in due time easier methods will come about, but until easy/one click root methods are cleaned up a bit, I'd recommend getting some ADB-fu
As for my initial impressions of the TB, all I can say is...
Flippin awesome. I was getting to the point of trying to tweak some sysctl variables in the OG Droid to squeeze some additional performance out of it. (ADD quickly negated that little 'project'). 4G LTE is smokin' fast, as is the actual phone. ADW EX works like a dream too. My only gripe is swype doesn't play well with SMS.

I didn't come directly from an OG Droid, I had a Droid X. When I was on my D1 I ran Bugless Beast and Chevy kernels.
Peter Alfonso ftw

Coming from a rooted/oc'd droid and I'm more than happy. That think was a boat anchor. I'm also glad to ditch the keyboard.
As for Sense, at first I really hated it, but with debloat roms I've really started to like it.

I came from an OG Droid OC'd to 1 ghz running CM7 nightlies with compcache and swapper2. I was having huge memory issues with that build (obviously) which is why I opted for the TB rather than the upcoming Bionic (768 mb vs. 512 mb).
So far, I love this thing. It's fast, has a huge screen and a blossoming developer community. Not to mention Verizon's 4G is probably the greatest thing that has happened to smart phones in a long time.
Also, the phones (OG Droid and TB) weigh about the same despite the size difference

The Sensation is turning out to be a dud

I have been reading over the Sensation forum and it appears to have even more bugs than the G2X. What the hell are these manufacturers doing? Also, has anyone seen the video reviews of the Sensation. Theres no reason for all that lag in a high end Android device these days. Our G2X appears much faster.
Lastly, it looks as if HTC really **** the bed with the new version of Sense. Samsung has made positive changes to TouchWiz over the last year while Sense has done nothing but add useless eye candy that hogs up system resources. TouchWiz is now the least intrusive manufacture UI and I applaud Samsung for toning it down.
The Sensation is definitely off of my wish list now. Glad I went with the G2X and possibly the SGSII.

People like sense because it looks easy and pretty. Stock android does not look pretty in comparison. The average user does not care about system resources.
A majority of the people do not buy a g2 for stock android they got it for a keyboard. Most people did not get a g2x for stock android they got it for a larger screen and maybe dual core goodness because it sounds good. Most buyers don't care about quadrant scores and custom roms they want fast large pretty looking eye candy and Facebook.
I'd bet the number of users on this site don't even account for half of 1% of the total android users worldwide.
G2x with faux AOSP and faux orange kernel. [email protected] 5107 quadrant.

+1 awesome post. I agree 100%.
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I think most phones out now have nearly as many issues being complained about on the forums. I haven't noticed any major lag in sensation vids except a couple where they show it being booted up. Every phone I've owned so far had had at least SOME lag to it, especially when booting.
Except for the 1gb of useable internal storage, I really like the phone. My wifes mt4g and my old g2 didn't have much of an issue with that much space.
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I have to agree with the post above. I didn't get the phone for vanilla android. I got it for dual core power, the 8mp camera with autofocus and flash, the 4 inch screen, and HDMI out. like I said, the hardware is so polished, but the software is not. and some stuff out there doesn't even work right, like the toggle widgets on beautiful widgets.

thats what people keep saying but
tackleberry said:
People like sense because it looks easy and pretty. Stock android does not look pretty in comparison. The average user does not care about system resources.
A majority of the people do not buy a g2 for stock android they got it for a keyboard. Most people did not get a g2x for stock android they got it for a larger screen and maybe dual core goodness because it sounds good. Most buyers don't care about quadrant scores and custom roms they want fast large pretty looking eye candy and Facebook.
I'd bet the number of users on this site don't even account for half of 1% of the total android users worldwide.
G2x with faux AOSP and faux orange kernel. [email protected] 5107 quadrant.
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i hear this less than 1/2 of 1% all the time. i find it hard to believe that htc would come out and say they are opening bootloaders to please 1/2 of 1% of users.
while this may be true with all android phones i think this % is low for the g line of tmobile phones. and other high tech ones.
I agree though many like sense because its pretty. thats why there are so many copycat clock/weather apps out so we can get it without the rest of the bloat.
i havent had a phone with any of them coming from the droid to the g2x both stock.
but from everything i have read it seems that the only one i see with complaints of causing serious lag with the phones is motoblur.
I did find the perfect phone finally!
its the one that comes out just after the one you bought.

This should make you guys grin...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4416/...8x60-phones-htc-sensation-4g-and-htc-evo-3d/2

eagle1967 said:
I did find the perfect phone finally!
its the one that comes out just after the one you bought.
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Or the one that doesn't come out...the TMO SGSII

BarryH_GEG said:
This should make you guys grin...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4416/...8x60-phones-htc-sensation-4g-and-htc-evo-3d/2
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That's highly amusing - our "outdated" Tegra 2 phones running a whole 200MHz slower than the Sensation and Evo 3D - spank the hell out of both and that's not even with Gingerbread...

I have to disagree with the ideas here. I bet a large percentage of iPhone users are jailbroken.
Same with android. I know so many people with androids now and I've been asked if I can root and flash an updated rom for them.
These are random house wives and joe smoes. Android is known for its customization and people take advantage of that.
As far as the sensation, I wrote it off my list a while ago. Too many negatives with just hardware specs let alone what software bugs are found. Still no root or unlocked bootloaders.
I'm following the sgs2 and they seem to be making some headway. Root and custom CWM kernels. I don't think they have much on the custom roms yet. Ouch though, their methods are complicated ones. Seems like a pain.
I don't think I'd trade my G2x for a SGS2 but it would be a first choice if the G2x was magically unavailable.
G2x CM7.1 style - Android 2.3.4

bluemoon737 said:
Or the one that doesn't come out...the TMO SGSII
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...but Samsung Hercules (Infuse with dual-core CPU) is coming.

Do you remember I made a thread few days ago after I tested Sensation, but that one I complained for the poor LCD (SLCD please).

I totally switched from the Cliq 2 to the G2x mainly based off having Vanilla Android, the Cliq was my first android phone, I had it for a month, and just couldn't stand motoblur.

mingkee said:
...but Samsung Hercules (Infuse with dual-core CPU) is coming.
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Too big!! The SGSII not coming to TMO makes no sense.

I got this phone because I knew I can do so much to it, I can't lie the UI setting HTC offers is nice but I look for more than the interface and such, Iam interested in the processor, the advantages of the rooting process, and the speed of the phone. Besides we can still make our phones look nice with custom roms and themes so Iam happy with my g2x
TMobile G2X
ROM Version: Cyanogenmod7

Just because people ask for root it does not mean they should have it because they have no clue.
My estimate is probably very low but you get the idea.
G2x with faux AOSP and faux orange kernel. [email protected] 5107 quadrant.

jrwingate6 said:
I have been reading over the Sensation forum and it appears to have even more bugs than the G2X. What the hell are these manufacturers doing? Also, has anyone seen the video reviews of the Sensation. Theres no reason for all that lag in a high end Android device these days. Our G2X appears much faster.
Lastly, it looks as if HTC really **** the bed with the new version of Sense. Samsung has made positive changes to TouchWiz over the last year while Sense has done nothing but add useless eye candy that hogs up system resources. TouchWiz is now the least intrusive manufacture UI and I applaud Samsung for toning it down.
The Sensation is definitely off of my wish list now. Glad I went with the G2X and possibly the SGSII.
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-1 ... Sorry - too many quality control issues with the G2x ...

I'm tired of hearing how dominant the iphone4 is , i love this g2x, doesn't the g2x blow the iphone4 away? Did anyone have an iphone4 before? Judging by those specs, definitely looks like it.

Mikeglongo said:
I'm tired of hearing how dominant the iphone4 is , i love this g2x, doesn't the g2x blow the iphone4 away? Did anyone have an iphone4 before? Judging by those specs, definitely looks like it.
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You cant really compare them directly because Android and iOS offer different user experiences. They're both good devices but iOS obviously isnt for everyone and neither is Android.

JWhipple said:
-1 ... Sorry - too many quality control issues with the G2x ...
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In all reality, there aren't that many issues. Minor screen bleed and wonky battery driver. As long as you the screen bleed isn't bad, the phone is pretty solid. The battery driver is being fixed by the great devs over in the Android Development section.
At least the GPS isn't worthless, or the cellular screwed up, or the bootloader encrypted, or limited touch screen multi-touch.
When put into perspective other other phones and their issues, the G2x is a pretty solid phone. Nothing a little polish from XDA can't make shine.

This phone is still being sold?

Anyone have any idea why they are still producing this phone? It just seems strange they would still be making new ones when most early adopts are already up for an upgrade.. and the hardware itself is getting old(while still running ICS thanks to our great community, it raises the question how much farther will the phone be able to be updated..)

a cheaper alternative maybe? or its just that good..

That's exactly what manufacturers wants to hear from consumers. Why buy phones that have lasting dollar values and gets frequent software updates when you can buy a new expensive one every year that doesn't have great built quality and with zero to almost no software update?
Android can use a bit cleaning up on the performance side, even the Galaxy Note stock rom have hiccups because of the bloatness, with quadcore phones they'll have more excuss to bloat and put animations in. Windows Phone 7 seems to do fine with single core. It's not like my Galaxy S is struggling with any of the new games at 800x480 resolution.

Well we already know Samsung said "Nope, ain't gonna happen" for ICS on the Captivate even in spite of builds being made available by the talented folk here at XDA and at other places online. The excuse that "the hardware isn't capable of running ICS adequately" is always a crock because I'm running Doc's Master v8 right now, ICS 4.0.3 based, and I get higher benchmarks with this ROM than the stock KK4 AT&T Gingerbread 2.3.5 ROM with:
- Quadrant
- Antutu
- Vellamo (with Vellamo I actually get slightly higher scores than a Galaxy Nexus, unbelievable)
and several others I've tried recently. So much for being "inadequate" or an underpowered device...
So, Samsung, stop whining and making excuses and just give us some ICS source so people can make a pure ROM I suppose.
Doc's v9 is nice since it's currently a beta and completely unthemed, but a lot of stuff won't install properly on it from Play (although I can install them from the APKs if I remember to manually save them in between ROM swaps).
It's a great phone, it has a beautiful design overall (one of my all time favorites, with the HD2 still being the king of all smartphones to me), USB and headphone connections on the top - I hate it when they're on the sides or bottom, and the main draw being the Super AMOLED display.
People still buy 'em, so Samsung keeps making 'em and AT&T keeps selling 'em.
Works for me.

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Anyone have any idea why they are still producing this phone? It just seems strange they would still be making new ones when most early adopts are already up for an upgrade.. and the hardware itself is getting old(while still running ICS thanks to our great community, it raises the question how much farther will the phone be able to be updated..)
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The R&D and tooling have long been paid for and there are still people buying. It's practically free money for them. The longer they're made, the cheaper they can get. The cheaper they can get, the more they're sold.
I sought this phone out actively because I liked my Epic and knew how to root & fix it easily. I didn't want a contract and for $250 brand new vs $600 for a Note it was a no-brainer.

Snow_fox said:
Anyone have any idea why they are still producing this phone? It just seems strange they would still be making new ones when most early adopts are already up for an upgrade..
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Simple, it sells. And with it running 2.3.5, it's very much up to date OS wise. It's not ICS, but at this point what is?
The early adopters are a rather small crowd of people that seems large to us because they are the tech obsesses folks that make xda what it is. They count for next to nothing compared to the "average user."
This phone is exactly what Samsung aimed for it to be, a Flagship. It was way a head of the curve when it first came out, and is still a great phone. It's been muddied by the early releases but, the fact that Samsung still won out (and is the top selling android manufacturer) means it really was an excellent device (and family of devices).
It's time is almost up though, because ICS really is beyond its abilities.
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The excuse that "the hardware isn't capable of running ICS adequately" is always a crock because I'm running Doc's Master v8 right now, ICS 4.0.3 based
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But it can't. We don't even have half the features, almost everything new to ICS has been stripped out because we don't have the hardware for it. Sure, the core OS can be made to run on our phone, but even at that we can't run it properly. The things your comparing against are to that of 2.2, ICS is not some dinky internal tweaks. It's a whole new OS, it's 4.0 not 2.4. Now I'll admit that most of the new parts to ICS are little more then shiny buttons that don't serve us much good. But it's rather easy to dismiss things you've never been able to do before. Once you get your hands on a phone actually built for ICS, that is then made future-proof like the ours was, you'll look back at the cappy and laugh at it.

DaNaRkI said:
Once you get your hands on a phone actually built for ICS, that is then made future-proof like the ours was, you'll look back at the cappy and laugh at it.
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Had a Galaxy Nexus - the flagship Android 4.0 device - and couldn't stand it so I returned it and decided to wait on something better. Then the Galaxy Note came out and I can't wait to see what ICS can really do on that device, but since I can't actually afford one I guess that won't matter anyway.
Found this Captivate on craigslist for $60 and it's been fantastic since the moment I bought it. I swear the SGS feels more responsive and stable running a "hack" ROM of the same OS than the Nexus did/does. Yes it could just be some placebo effect, I suppose. A benchmark using Vellamo puts this SGS running an ICS ROM (at 1.2 GHz) outpacing the Nexus, go figure - a single core device running an unofficial hack of an OS besting the dual core flagship device for that very OS... ain't it cool?
There may be some aspects of ICS that the SGS can't do (NFC, etc) but they just so happen to be features I don't give a damn about, either so... it all works out in the end.

phone is sold
as long as ppl buy it.
u can get iPhone3gs u know - @ great price.

br0adband said:
Had a Galaxy Nexus - the flagship Android 4.0 device - and couldn't stand it so I returned it and decided to wait on something better.
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The Galaxy Nexus is not a flagship, just like the Nexus S was not. It's a debut phone and like the other Nexus phones, a developers phone. It's mean to showcase the abilities of ICS, not push the limits of a phone. Our phone came out before the Nexus S, yet that phone has a lot of the exact same internals. Why? ours was made future-proofed, nothing better was needed for GB. The Galaxy Nexus was also not top of the line at it's release, just compare it to an SGS2. Future proof would have meant that LTE was designed into the phone at start, not added later.
But you do bring up a very good point that I already admitted to, most of the new abilities are rather unnecessary for a phone. But I don't doubt that once a good ICS phone comes out we'll find ways to work them into our daily life. Just like we have for all the unnecessary things that the Cappy can do now.

The Captivate is a pretty solid phone still. I still have mine kicking around that I use now for playing music since my Galaxy Nexus doesnt have external memory (and apps are getting bigger and bigger in size so I need all the space I can get) so this phone does quite well for that.
I think I would still be using this phone if it had a bigger screen (I got big hands) and if Samsung was continuing to update this.

i use my spare captivate as a skype phone (between rom tests).
and where is the phone still being sold?

[Q] iOS vs Android: the nitty gritty

So a partial spec list for the iPhone 5 was released, and it mentioned the processor being 1 GHz. Now lets assume that this is a dual core CPU, and lets also assume that there is active GPU rendering as in Android 4.0 +.
The IP4s has a dual core, 800 MHz Cortex A9, (A9 just like most modern phones). now however, if you take that 800 MHz CPU and put android onto it, we aren't going to see anything special happen.
I'm way too tired to finish this post now, but basically, I'm curious if anyone knows why iOS seems to be so much more efficient than android does.
I refuse to have this turn into the typical VS thread and will just lock it if it does. I would like this to be a discussion about the firmware (as much as we know at least) and anything technical.
please, feel free to correct me of anything i have said.

Umm, because iOS is tailored for that exact hardware?
Have you ever used a Nexus phone? Runs really damn well for the specs, because Android is tailored to those specs first and foremost.

Apple puts in lots of tricks to make the user experience of iOS a smooth one. (Example: when waiting for a web page to load and you start dragging, iOS actually stops the process of loading the page and focuses everything on your finger. Android continues to load the page).
No true multitasking to bog down RAM as well. Simple OS, simpler hardware.
Also the post above. Tailored hardware. Just look at WP7 and their single core snapdragons!
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speedyink said:
Umm, because iOS is tailored for that exact hardware?
Have you ever used a Nexus phone? Runs really damn well for the specs, because Android is tailored to those specs first and foremost.
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Unfortunately, as I was having issues with AOKP rebooting at the time my friend got his GNex, I haven't been allowed to touch a nexus LOL
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Apple puts in lots of tricks to make the user experience of iOS a smooth one. (Example: when waiting for a web page to load and you start dragging, iOS actually stops the process of loading the page and focuses everything on your finger. Android continues to load the page).
No true multitasking to bog down RAM as well. Simple OS, simpler hardware.
Also the post above. Tailored hardware. Just look at WP7 and their single core snapdragons!
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See i thought it had to do with the dedicated hardware, with the non nexus users getting shafted.
I'm curious of things like... lags in the messaging app. I don't have that many messages (all threads are capped at 450 and 20 pics) yet I still have some bad lag on my phone.
I guess I'm curious if we can get into the reasons why some apps and processes (messaging app etc) will lag, and if there is a known way to improve the issues.
glad to see this hasn't gotten to an outright flame war yet lol

I figure it's very similar to power-to-weight ratio. Some lightweight cars with lower horsepower are much faster than 2-ton cars with massive horsepower.
The lack of multitasking alone would have a huge impact. I think that could be tested in a Rom like AOKP, by telling it to destroy the activity as soon as the user leaves it. I don't have access to an iPhone to compare to, though.
Either way, I'd rather have a heavier, more full-featured OS today requires better hardware than iOS.

jRi0T68 said:
I figure it's very similar to power-to-weight ratio. Some lightweight cars with lower horsepower are much faster than 2-ton cars with massive horsepower.
The lack of multitasking alone would have a huge impact. I think that could be tested in a Rom like AOKP, by telling it to destroy the activity as soon as the user leaves it. I don't have access to an iPhone to compare to, though.
Either way, I'd rather have a heavier, more full-featured OS today requires better hardware than iOS.
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It seems that iOS has a better featured multitasking than this though... it doesn't completely destroy the task (or it seems not to)

Read here.
http://androidandme.com/2011/12/news/android-may-never-be-as-smooth-as-ios-says-ex-googler/
And
https://plus.google.com/app/plus/mp/66/#~loop:view=activity&aid=z124gl3b2o3jzx0ll220gfnhmuusu54rk04
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new ion? said:
It seems that iOS has a better featured multitasking than this though... it doesn't completely destroy the task (or it seems not to)
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From what I've read, that depends on the task/API. iOS doesn't multitask as well as Android, certainly. Destroying all tasks on Android wouldn't be a perfect comparison, but you can see if it makes a big difference or not.
The UI rendering thing above games sense, but on my T-Mobile GSII, I don't experience any noticeable or bothersome lag. It was stable and smooth until I switched from AOKP ICS to AOKP JB. Smooth, sure, but JB is a work in progress.

new ion? said:
It seems that iOS has a better featured multitasking than this though... it doesn't completely destroy the task (or it seems not to)
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No, it just forces suspension within 5 seconds of all but a few special types of programs. (Which, in case you weren't sure, is neither as flexible nor good.)
See this link for information on both: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/112013-how-multitasking-works-on-android-and-ios
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new ion? said:
The IP4s has a dual core, 800 MHz Cortex A9, (A9 just like most modern phones). now however, if you take that 800 MHz CPU and put android onto it, we aren't going to see anything special happen.
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Makes me actually wonder what would happen if you put Jellybean on comparable specs. Not enough to try looking for it, though. It's not like better hardware has not been cheaply available for some years.

new ion? said:
Unfortunately, as I was having issues with AOKP rebooting at the time my friend got his GNex, I haven't been allowed to touch a nexus LOL
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Ahh, you be missing out. Especially with a few of the new tricks Jellybean added to bump it up to a iOS similar experience. Although with Android being so much more advanced than iOS I still think iOS will appear a little faster. However, I'd much rather have true multitasking, open file system, and massive customization than a slightly faster phone (and honestly, we're splitting hairs at this point)

jRi0T68 said:
From what I've read, that depends on the task/API. iOS doesn't multitask as well as Android, certainly. Destroying all tasks on Android wouldn't be a perfect comparison, but you can see if it makes a big difference or not.
The UI rendering thing above games sense, but on my T-Mobile GSII, I don't experience any noticeable or bothersome lag. It was stable and smooth until I switched from AOKP ICS to AOKP JB. Smooth, sure, but JB is a work in progress.
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See i run cm9 on my herc, and the lag in the keyboard and messaging app kills me. I hate tw, but im tempted to go go try evo8 just cuz tdj is god.
thebobp said:
No, it just forces suspension within 5 seconds of all but a few special types of programs. (Which, in case you weren't sure, is neither as flexible nor good.)
See this link for information on both: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/112013-how-multitasking-works-on-android-and-ios
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Makes me actually wonder what would happen if you put Jellybean on comparable specs. Not enough to try looking for it, though. It's not like better hardware has not been cheaply available for some years.
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Is jelly bean really that much better than ics? The issues with the dev for my phone has caused me to have to avoid it as I wake up at 4 and if my phone decides to random reboot and get stuck then I'm fubard.
Thanks for the link btw, cleared many things up!
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speedyink said:
Ahh, you be missing out. Especially with a few of the new tricks Jellybean added to bump it up to a iOS similar experience. Although with Android being so much more advanced than iOS I still think iOS will appear a little faster. However, I'd much rather have true multitasking, open file system, and massive customization than a slightly faster phone (and honestly, we're splitting hairs at this point)
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Lol I figured in was missing out. My next phone probably will be a nexus. But I just can't help but love the powerhouses of non nexus phones.
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new ion? said:
Is jelly bean really that much better than ics? The issues with the dev for my phone has caused me to have to avoid it as I wake up at 4 and if my phone decides to random reboot and get stuck then I'm fubard.
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To be honest, I haven't been able to notice any lag even with ics.
JB supposedly fixes most/all of the lag issues, and is quite smooth on N7. However, you are correct in that it is only as good as the deving is. For example, CM10 on the S3 suffers from a memory leak (largely due to the "official" kernel not being available yet) and automatically closes apps as a result. So I can't make any promises.

thebobp said:
To be honest, I haven't been able to notice any lag even with ics. (Maybe it's the hardware difference; I'm using GN.)
JB supposedly fixes most/all of the lag issues, and is quite smooth on N7. However, you are correct in that it is only as good as the deving is. For example, CM10 on the S3 suffers from a memory leak (largely due to the "official" kernel not being available yet) and automatically closes apps as a result. So I can't make any promises.
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We have some great devs for the herc, but unfortunately since we don't have source either (and won't till probably 2013 if Sammy keeps their word... and never will if they don't lol) these guys are moving forward... but just. Not trash talking in any way.
I thought I saw an optimization someone had posted here for the XML layout of the messaging app... but of course I didn't save the link and haven't found it again
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new ion? said:
We have some great devs for the herc, but unfortunately since we don't have source either (and won't till probably 2013 if Sammy keeps their word... and never will if they don't lol) these guys are moving forward... but just. Not trash talking in any way.
I thought I saw an optimization someone had posted here for the XML layout of the messaging app... but of course I didn't save the link and haven't found it again
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Yeah I get it.
I think the best way to scope out buggy ROMs is just to read their threads, watch for complaints. And, of course, get another alarm clock redundancy is always a good thing.

thebobp said:
Yeah I get it.
I think the best way to scope out buggy ROMs is just to read their threads, watch for complaints. And, of course, get another alarm clock redundancy is always a good thing.
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Bought one, dropped it once and the time reset. I'm not spending another 5 mins adjusting it to the right time. Lol.
So basically, iOS is a lighter OS all together,(with a bit of smoke and mirrors) whereas android is more of a powerhouse. Take a bit more to keep er running, but its well worth it.
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new ion? said:
So basically, iOS is a lighter OS all together,(with a bit of smoke and mirrors) whereas android is more of a powerhouse. Take a bit more to keep er running, but its well worth it.
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Thing about android is that it improves, both in terms of hardware (due to competition between oems that iOS never really faces) and software (due to google benefiting only if consumers actually want to use it, not just buy it). The cost of this is that everything moves so quickly for the corporations (the bureaucracy in pushing an update is so intense, for example) that old devices may be much worse than the devices two years later. But the benefit is also that new devices are so much better than the devices two years earlier.
Why do I mention this? Because every release also gets closer and closer to the point that "you no longer have to change from stock to get a good experience". Indeed, this may already be true depending on individual requirements, and for most I daresay it is already true for, example, the S3 or GN. So, while I would agree with your "powerhouse" characterization in broad strokes, the "maintenance" associated with such a thing gets less and less accurate. An analogy might be: in the past, it would've taken an expert to fine-tune a powerful device like a computer, whereas now, it's a non-issue.

thebobp said:
Thing about android is that it improves, both in terms of hardware (due to competition between oems that iOS never really faces) and software (due to google benefiting only if consumers actually want to use it, not just buy it). The cost of this is that everything moves so quickly for the corporations (the bureaucracy in pushing an update is so intense, for example) that old devices may be much worse than the devices two years later. But the benefit is also that new devices are so much better than the devices two years earlier.
Why do I mention this? Because every release also gets closer and closer to the point that "you no longer have to change from stock to get a good experience". Indeed, this may already be true depending on individual requirements, and for most I daresay it is already true for, example, the S3 or GN. So, while I would agree with your "powerhouse" characterization in broad strokes, the "maintenance" associated with such a thing gets less and less accurate. An analogy might be: in the past, it would've taken an expert to fine-tune a powerful device like a computer, whereas now, it's a non-issue.
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thing is though, that I kinda really like the external SD card. and the GN doesn't have it. neither does the N7 (or any other nexus IIRC) which scares me for the next one...
Totally understand. the flip side of this is that Apple has the chance to develop for their 3 year old phone still (3gS) whereas my phone, purchased last year, is BARELY going to get JB officially... and it took almost a year to get ICS. I kind of wish these phone makers had to slow it down a bit.
I'm curious though, hoping for a broader opinion, what do people think that iOS does better than Android? When i get the time I'm going to start coding again and I'd like a project to look into.

new ion? said:
thing is though, that I kinda really like the external SD card. and the GN doesn't have it. neither does the N7 (or any other nexus IIRC) which scares me for the next one...
Totally understand. the flip side of this is that Apple has the chance to develop for their 3 year old phone still (3gS) whereas my phone, purchased last year, is BARELY going to get JB officially... and it took almost a year to get ICS. I kind of wish these phone makers had to slow it down a bit.
I'm curious though, hoping for a broader opinion, what do people think that iOS does better than Android? When i get the time I'm going to start coding again and I'd like a project to look into.
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What they think is better? To name a few
Stable, no viruses, faster, retina display, made by apple, great UI, better updates, blah blah blah (this is what I have heard from many isheep)
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gagdude said:
What they think is better? To name a few
Stable, no viruses, faster, retina display, made by apple, great UI, better updates, blah blah blah (this is what I have heard from many isheep)
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there are viruses for everything. and their precious retina display is no better than a 720 one.
I was more referring to people that use both, and aren't total fanboys, what does iOS do better than android?

Android 4.3 for GS4 - Antutu Benchmark

Have you guys flashed the latest Android 4.3 update on your S4? The benchmark is quite impressive. The biggest improvement is definitely the GPU.

t4gofficial said:
Have you guys flashed the latest Android 4.3 update on your S4? The benchmark is quite impressive. The biggest improvement is definitely the GPU.
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Loving stock Android 4.3. Now the only thing we need is root, which I guess Chainfire will deliver next week if he has the time. :good:

Can you show more scores in other benchmarks, mainly interested in 3DMark?
It'd be great to see "before"-"after" comparison, too - or google results of 4.2 devices for us to compare them
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Were people visible in OpenGL ES 2.0 scene? Some people say that this scene is bugged on this ROM. Possibly, because part of geometry is not processed, benchmark shows better FPS. Could you record a video of test?

keaukraine said:
Can you show more scores in other benchmarks, mainly interested in 3DMark?
It'd be great to see "before"-"after" comparison, too - or google results of 4.2 devices for us to compare them
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Were people visible in OpenGL ES 2.0 scene? Some people say that this scene is bugged on this ROM. Possibly, because part of geometry is not processed, benchmark shows better FPS. Could you record a video of test?
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indeed the fighting scene of Antutu is bugged, no visible fight scene just grass.
battery drain is lethal too atm, 5hrs 5m 44s on battery, 53Min Screen time - now on 31% Battery.

It's because of the Open GL Es 3. Libraries in 4.3

looks good
Looks good what the device should of got when it was released cant try it till I get a micro sd my 64gb died foreva lol
omega rom v7
adam kernal
3minit framework

Seems that the GPU score got a good boost compared to 4.2.

Those score nearly match the score of my GS4 (Octa Version).

bean12147 said:
Put it any way you like the i9500 is still faster! No amount of vanilla or overclock can make the i9505 as fast. Trust me I got both. Vanilla is good but not great. Where are the apis for ir blaster etc. Its still not the solution. Google needs to step up. FYI the doc is porting vanilla to the i9500
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IR blaster working fine with WatchON here. No amount of processing power is going to make TouchWiz fast (or Android at that). Stock Android is still preferable because of its light weight. Google should seriously move Android away from Java until it is too late (starting to be).

Toss3 said:
IR blaster working fine with WatchON here. No amount of processing power is going to make TouchWiz fast (or Android at that). Stock Android is still preferable because of its light weight. Google should seriously move Android away from Java until it is too late (starting to be).
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It needs a complete rewrite and I sincerely hope they consider that. Maybe C++ is better?

What about smart stay etc? You can debloat a TW rom and it is very quick so what you are making is a moot point. To me the only tangible benefit are faster releases with stock google.I am not sure if this will happen with google s4.
Tbh both 9505 and 9500 got screwed by the s800 shv-330s. I mean come on not even 2 months after release. Technology does progress but in this case why did they scramble to release this mess 9505 9500 when they new this would be round the corner. Samsung f'ed up.
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bean12147 said:
What about smart stay etc? You can debloat a TW rom and it is very quick so what you are making is a moot point. To me the only tangible benefit are faster releases with stock google.I am not sure if this will happen with google s4.
Tbh both 9505 and 9500 got screwed by the s800 shv-330s. I mean come on not even 2 months after release. Technology does progress but in this case why did they scramble to release this mess 9505 9500 when they new this would be round the corner. Samsung f'ed up.
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The framework is different, and you'd have to run them side-by-side to notice the difference. Bet stock Android would be a lot faster on the i9500 compared to TW.

bean12147 said:
What about smart stay etc? You can debloat a TW rom and it is very quick so what you are making is a moot point. To me the only tangible benefit are faster releases with stock google.I am not sure if this will happen with google s4.
Tbh both 9505 and 9500 got screwed by the s800 shv-330s. I mean come on not even 2 months after release. Technology does progress but in this case why did they scramble to release this mess 9505 9500 when they new this would be round the corner. Samsung f'ed up.
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You don't seem to be able to percept the fact that TouchWiz is making Android very heavy, debloated or not. Android requires incredible hardware to run anywhere near smoothly and TouchWiz puts a huge strain on Android. Sense is heavy as well but not even near the strain level of TW (because let's face it, an HTC One with Sense doesn't lag. I've owned one and tried my very best in making it lag)
I get that we all like different things but please, please, don't lie to yourself by saying TW is smooth or is fast. Decorate a turd and paint it in other colors, but it's still a turd underneath, that you cannot change (TouchWiz being the turd)

I have a nexus 10 and perceive quite well that TW will always be heavier than vanilla. But if you look at benchmarks of the octa with a debloated ROM there is a substantial increase in performance.
Imo the fastest out there is not vanilla but linaro based roms which are insanely fast.
What you dont perceive is what you call a turd (TW) whether you like it or not runs on 90 percent of all gs4s out there regardless of processor.
Since most users dont care about roms, this actually means that they actually like TW.
And its one of the reasons there is such a large community for these phones.
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bean12147 said:
I have a nexus 10 and perceive quite well that TW will always be heavier than vanilla. But if you look at benchmarks of the octa with a debloated ROM there is a substantial increase in performance.
Imo the fastest out there is not vanilla but linaro based roms which are insanely fast.
What you dont perceive is what you call a turd (TW) whether you like it or not runs on 90 percent of all gs4s out there regardless of processor.
Since most users dont care about roms, this actually means that they actually like TW.
And its one of the reasons there is such a large community for these phones.
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Regarding the linaro part, are you sure? I thought Google's latest toolchains did the job almost as good as, if not better than, the linaro toolchain.

bean12147 said:
I have a nexus 10 and perceive quite well that TW will always be heavier than vanilla. But if you look at benchmarks of the octa with a debloated ROM there is a substantial increase in performance.
Imo the fastest out there is not vanilla but linaro based roms which are insanely fast.
What you dont perceive is what you call a turd (TW) whether you like it or not runs on 90 percent of all gs4s out there regardless of processor.
Since most users dont care about roms, this actually means that they actually like TW.
And its one of the reasons there is such a large community for these phones.
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Its more like they have to suck it up because its the way the phone came and and dont have the means/knowledge to do something about it
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Theshawty said:
Regarding the linaro part, are you sure? I thought Google's latest toolchains did the job almost as good as, if not better than, the linaro toolchain.
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You're right. People hear "Compiled with Linaro Tool Chain" and they think there is a huge performance increase, there isn't. Google's tool chains do just as well or better.

b-eock said:
You're right. People hear "Compiled with Linaro Tool Chain" and they think there is a huge performance increase, there isn't. Google's tool chains do just as well or better.
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Thought so.

I disagree my experience on the nexus 10 shows otherwise. Look at the nexus 4 forum I believe the sentiment is the same.
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