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Why HTC Android experience is way better than others?

I've owned two Android phones and been to several Verizon, att and sprint stores to test different phones.
It feels like only HTC Android phones are smooth. Other phones like Droid, Droid X, Droid 2 or Galaxy S, they all feel laggy and awkward. Even though HTC's hardware is probably the weakest. Motorola and Samsung have great screen and CPU in the phone, but they feel laggier than HTC's small Aria.
Is it just me?

No pal,you're not alone.
Both Motorola and Samsung must hire better software engineers for their UIs.Samsung's TouchWiz is crap and Motorola didn't even bother bringing a custom UI to their flagship device(the Droid X).It's not only the lag.Sense is also much more user friendly and nicer to work with.I was between the Galaxy S and the Desire and finally got the Desire because of it's software.I haven't even rooted it and am extremely happy with it.Now I'll wait for the next-gen of smartphones!

My captivate doesn't lag, not sure what you mean? As far as UI goes, you can replace them at any time so why let that be a deciding factor, unless you just love sense that is.
I will say however that I am stuck with att and had a hard time choosing between the captivate (samsung) and the aria (htc), but in the end I had to go with the bigger phone/processor. I guess the fact that I had any kind of hesitation picking between the two shows you just how good htc phones are, as the aria is not nearly as powerful as galaxy s, but it's still very VERY appealing!

Ricparr said:
My captivate doesn't lag
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Well, I am using Captivate now and it is laggy. And I am sure I am not alone if you look at some of the forum posts.
If you try any of the HTC phones, you'll definitely feel it's much smoother than the powerful Galaxy S.

Not arguing here, just curious what you mean by lag? I don't doubt your word at all, and I've read many lag complaints for sure but mine simply doesn't, or I'm not looking at it right.
This would also seem to fit right in with all the other issues on galaxy s devices that seem to vary by user. It makes me nervous about this phone and wonder if I shouldn't think about a different device...but I already have a backflip, this captivate, so that leaves me with the aria. Hmmmmmm...
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The Aria is considerably below the Galaxy S hardware-wise.
I could have chosen a Desire from my carrier, but went for the Galaxy S and am not really regretting it (admittedly I might have been unhappier if I was a heavy user of GPS).
The lag is, as far as I know, the phone pausing (at a black screen, often) for a while, usually when loading programs. I've not found it to be a major problem myself, and there are now one-click lag-fixes available for Galaxy S devices as workarounds if you do find it to be one.
Hopefully both will be resolved by the time we get Froyo!

Ricparr said:
Not arguing here, just curious what you mean by lag?
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It's the response time of your press. It's the transition between screens. Even though Galaxy S or Droid X is powerful, you will still have the delayed response every now and then. Or you will have some delayed transition animation.
It's not bad to use. It's just not as good as HTC's smooth experience. For me, iPhone still has the smoothest UI transitions and responses. HTC is the second. Sadly, Samsung and Motorola, with the best hardware, have the worst UI experience. Something is wrong with their software development.

Mithent said:
The Aria is considerably below the Galaxy S hardware-wise.
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Yet Aria has never had lag issue. I've used Aria for a month and it was as smooth as you can expect from any big phone!
But I immediately feel laggy in galaxy s and Droid series. The screen becomes unresponsive when market is downloading and installing an app. Delayed response when pressing a button... Slow transition animation...
I think HTC is more committed to Android than other manufacturers. HTC has the most Android phones (right?) and they might have the most experience working with Google. Motorola and Samsung just started their series of Android. I think they rush themselves into this fast-growing market after seeing the success of HTC.

mwxiao said:
Yet Aria has never had lag issue. I've used Aria for a month and it was as smooth as you can expect from any big phone!
But I immediately feel laggy in galaxy s and Droid series. The screen becomes unresponsive when market is downloading and installing an app. Delayed response when pressing a button... Slow transition animation...
I think HTC is more committed to Android than other manufacturers. HTC has the most Android phones (right?) and they might have the most experience working with Google. Motorola and Samsung just started their series of Android. I think they rush themselves into this fast-growing market after seeing the success of HTC.
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ah, yes I see. Indeed it does seem unresponsive during a market install, and since I don't keep many apps installed, that may be why I haven't seen any home-screen sluggishness. I think what may be afoot here, is that since I have only owned 2 android devices, the first being the backflip (...), then I simply didn't even know that the sluggishness was there. Seriously. The speed/smoothness/experience on my captivate is so much better than my backflip that I was immune. lol. I really am considering going for the aria instead though, if samsung doesn't hurry up and fix the gps issue and other minor annoyances. Anyone think I have lost my mind to trade a captivate for the aria considering I don't really game on my device or demand the potential power it has?

That's false x10 has a nice UI even though I admire HTC sense, its better than LG or Samsung's UI
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Try autokiller from the market to help w/ lag, it's really great!!!!!!!

Ricparr said:
Anyone think I have lost my mind to trade a captivate for the aria considering I don't really game on my device or demand the potential power it has?
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It's just impossible to go back to Aria after Captivate's huge and beautiful screen...

HTC will be the apple on the Android market...
Everyone will get a Galaxy Super S or a Droid XXX (because of the superior hardware), but at the end they will be all dreaming with a desire
Seriously, i think that has something to do with the developers, the G1 was the first android cellphone, and yes, it was a HTC

To me, the only way to enjoy Android is with a vanilla ROM (best performance) with Launcher Pro. Can't stand Sense, Blur, or Wiz.

Part of the reason the Aria feels smoother than some of these higher end phones is because it doesn't have to render anywhere close to as many pixels. The Aria is pushing 154 thousand pixels (320x480) while the high end phones are pushing 384-410 thousand pixels. Even the Incredible and Evo don't feel as smooth as the Aria. The iPhone is smooth because its entire UI is GPU accelerated. Once GPU acceleration is enabled for the Android UI (think Gingerbread, 3.0) everything will be much smoother, especially on high end phones with nice GPUs like the Droid X and Galaxy S. The Aria won't even be getting Android 3.0, so its days of feeling smoother than the high end phones are limited.
For what it's worth, I have LauncherPro installed on my Captivate and live wallpapers disabled and everything is very smooth and snappy. The GPS issues are my only complaint right now, but I think it's a software problem and Samsung will come through within the next month or two. After playing with my Captivate for a week, I picked up the Aria and its screen seemed dull and extremely TINY. Web browsing, gaming, and watching videos are all a million times better on the Captivate. Basically, things that tax the CPU or GPU a lot are where the Aria chokes.

G2 or HD7 or Vibrant

Not sure what section to put this in.
I have a chance to get one of these 3 phones. With contract.
I really like the G2 but, want to get the experts recommendations of these 3 phones.
I haven't used anyone of these phones. I do use an HD2 dual booting.
Pros and Cons for all phones and user experience would help me decide.
Thanks

First off i say stay away from the vibrant. Not thst its a bad phone, i personally dont like samsung (returned my epic after 3 days.) As you can see in my sig my current phones include a nexus one, HD2, HD7, and My Touch 4G.
My favorite phone out of the group is the MT4G just because of the speed and power it has. The second gen snapdragon and the 786mb ram make it one of the most powerful and fast android phones on the market.
I have only had the HD7 for 3 or 4 days. Great phone and OS, but it needs more time to mature. My mine problem with it is the no multitasking with third party apps. The Os is smooth as butter though!
IMO get the G2 (If you want the keyboard, MT4G if you want a fully loaded android.)

Personally, I'd get the HD7. It can only get better as the OS matures.
As far as the android phones go, it depends on what you're looking for. G2 has a keyboard, but slower CPU (800MHz). Vibrant has no keyboard, but a faster CPU (1GHz) and also an AMOLED screen.
Don't know if you were looking to get the MyTouch4g, but I'd probably choose that if I were to get an android phone on t-mobile.

MvP77 said:
First off i say stay away from the vibrant. Not thst its a bad phone, i personally dont like samsung (returned my epic after 3 days.) As you can see in my sig my current phones include a nexus one, HD2, HD7, and My Touch 4G.
My favorite phone out of the group is the MT4G just because of the speed and power it has. The second gen snapdragon and the 786mb ram make it one of the most powerful and fast android phones on the market.
I have only had the HD7 for 3 or 4 days. Great phone and OS, but it needs more time to mature. My mine problem with it is the no multitasking with third party apps. The Os is smooth as butter though!
IMO get the G2 (If you want the keyboard, MT4G if you want a fully loaded android.)
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I do like the MT4G too, that one isn't available to me right now (these aren't being bought from a T-Mobile store). That is why I didn't include it in the poll or post.
I'm not really sure about the Vibrant, I can't believe they didn't put a camera flash on it, what a waste.
Thanks for your input. I did click the thanks button.

With NAND boot Android on the HD2 I'm not sure you will get an appreciably better Android experience from the Vibrant, G2, or MT4G. I would go with the HD7 personally to try something new. Or wait it out until after CES.

The main advantage is 4G speeds with the G2 or MT4G, if your in a 4G area. In Kansas City I avg 8-10mbs on my MT4G. I do see great potential in WP7. I absolutly love the OS, im just waiting for Microsoft to add the lil things they left out. If you take lots of pics with your phone though the camera sucks on the HD7.
I have yet to try a nand rom on my HD2. Time to dust it off and give it a shot. it was already good with SD roms.

My sd Android is working good. Battery life could be better. I haven't tried the NAND either, might try it tomorrow.

Still haven't figured out which one to get.

I just got a vibrant and I really love it. I came from a hd2 so screen size as very important.
While I thought I wanted the mt4g but I am very happy with the vibrant. I havent experienced any bugs and with the nero v3 rom i've been happy as a pig in sh.t lol.
As far as the hd7 I wasnt willing to take the plunge because of the sd card limitation and the possible lack of apps.

Well personally ive played around with the G2 and i like it, yes it has a slower CPU but it has been overclocked to 2 Ghz!!! 2X faster than the MT4G, but you dont have to go that ridiculous, you can just go with the standard 1.2 Ghz, thats assuming your willing to root your phone
Not to mention that the G2 is said to get the new gingerbread (2.3) soon, according to others, it makes it quicker so if you add all that i think that the G2 is the best
(also if you really like the MT4G sense ui, i have heard that they have it as a rom for the G2, not to mention they have Cyanogen on it)
but basically its up to you

Not looking to leave a Vibrant
As you can see by my signature I have a Vibrant. It is operating some as silk and very very fast. If it wasn't for the developers I could not say this.
I have been looking at a Nexus S and realizing the differences between Nexus S and a Vibrant are the curved body style, a flash with the camera and a 2.3 OS. The camera on a Vibrant is very good even taking night shots. A flash is not required on a Vibrant.
I will not change to a Nexus for the small differences. Very happy for now waiting for something newer to come along

My vote goes to Desire Z

I vote for the G2. I'm selling my Nexus S for one.
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Advantages of of G2 are Keyboard and (almost) stock android IMO.
Advantages of MT4G are faster processor (and its been overclocked to, i run mine at 1.4ghz) More ram(786mb), more ram cant hurt. Front facing Cam, thats more of a prefrence, but it will be big if skype brings video chat to android.
Advantages of HD7 are Big screen. Fast and great looking OS. Netflix (if your a member.) Zune and zune pass. The market is also growing really fast so the lack of apps will die especially when MS loosens up and let devs get access to more api.
If your gonna root i dont think it matters if a phone has sense or not because you can put a rom with it if you want it or a rom without it if you prefer stock.

MvP77 said:
Advantages of of G2 are Keyboard and (almost) stock android IMO.
Advantages of MT4G are faster processor (and its been overclocked to, i run mine at 1.4ghz) More ram(786mb), more ram cant hurt. Front facing Cam, thats more of a prefrence, but it will be big if skype brings video chat to android.
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They've overclocked the G2 to 1.8GHz.
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TheBiles said:
They've overclocked the G2 to 1.8GHz.
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Same for the MT4G, I just run mine at 1.4ghz.

Well, I did have a chance to get the Mytouch 4g and, I got it in red.
Loving it so far. Thanks for all the great help!

G2. Dude why not get 4G speeds? Who wouldn't?

Opinions, please! Droid vs Droid 2

Until a couple days ago, I had a rooted O.G. Droid running Cyanogenmod 7 and I LOVED it. But it fell into a bowl of water, so that's that.
Now I have the option to either use insurance to replace the Droid with a refurbished (*ugh*) Droid for about $100, or use my upgrade and get a Droid 2 for $150 (Droid 2 being, for some reason, the only phone currently available from Verizon with a physical keyboard).
My problem is, my wife has a Droid 2 and I hate, hate, oh my god I HATE Blur. I personally think it basically breaks Android with its lousy design.
Now, this could be fixed with a custom ROM (maybe even just a new launcher?), but I have been researching and I can't tell what the deal is with Droid 2 Roms. I'm gathering there is a locked bootloader, but roms are available. I'm not clear what that means, exactly. Like, in what way does a locked bootloader affect the ability to flash roms, etc.
I'm having a hard time making a decision, here. I'm not thrilled about a Droid 2, but it's only $50 more than a refurbished Droid. That said, maybe I should spend $100 on a refurbished Droid now and save my upgrade for a phone I actually want? But if Blur can be removed from the D2 fairly easily, maybe it's fine.
Please, anyone with Droid/Droid 2 experience, share your opinions. Thanks all!

Really? No one wants to help me out here? I didn't think it was a dumb question, but alright. I suppose I'll go for the D2 and hope for the best.

Go for the D2, not a bad phone keyboard is waaayyyyy better. I'm sure you could root and customize it too your liking. I would go for touch only but if you prefer the keyboard might as well go faster.

I owned a D2 but ended up getting an incredible because of the bootloader issue. I also detest blur and flashed roms/themes to hide it basically. As far as smartphone functionality, its a fine phone but I wanted to be able to totally customize my phone (radios, kernels, roms, etc). There is a small amount of development but its just really up to you as far as how much control you want to have over your phone. Definitely no cyanogen on the D2
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Thanks for the replies, guys! I think I'm going to go with the D2 and do my best to nullify Blur, per k_nivesout suggestion, until another upgrade comes my way.
I like customizing and installing Roms, kernels and whatnot, but I suppose as long as I can tone Blur down, I'll be happy enough with the D2 for a year or so. Really, I just wish VZW would release a vanilla Android phone already. Annoying!
Thanks again for sharing your opinions. The fact Verizon customers like myself need even to contemplate passing up an upgrade just to avoid Blur should make VZW think twice about the value of Blur.

I had the org droid as well and it was an ok phone but as far as the d2 being the only phone with a physical keyboard that is untrue. The droid pro has a physical keyboard that kicks butt it is far and away better that the d2 imo the screen is smaller and not great however and there is no cm7 either but i threw launcher pro on it to hide blur mostly and I really like the phone for the most part. You should be able to get it for $50 CPO thats what I did and im not sorry. I think it is a great phone for some people. BUT there is zero xda support for this phone you can root it tho you will still be on froyo (coming from cm7 meh its fine). anyhow I like this phone and would love to hear that its doesnt die completly obscure. DO NOT get the d2

driod 2 all the way bro!

I had to make a decision tonight, so I went with the D2. I think if I root and replace the launcher, it will resolve most of my major issues. Though I'm going to miss Gingerbread on the O.G.
Yamjoker, you're right I forgot about the pro. I checked it out, but I guess I dismissed it due to the small screen. I have to say the keyboard is delicious on the Pro but yeah, I prefer a larger screen.
Thanks for sharing, everyone.

You can still do some fun stuff with the d2, I would recommend liberty rom, its really quite good for not being a "custom" rom. I also ran the gingerbread leaks for a little bit and its not too bad if you use a different launcher (I liked ADW w/ minimalist theme). Unfortunately the d2 section here is pretty dead, definitely check out www.droidforums.com for the latest. Good luck!
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Just wanted to post a quick update. The Droid 2 with Liberty 2.0.1 suits me just fine. Even stepping back from Gingerbread, I'm quite happy. I can see now where the locked bootstrap is more restrictive, but I've found the trade off of customization vs sheer power over my Droid 1 is a fair one for now.
Btw @ k_nivesout, I think you meant to point me to droidforums.net (rather than .com). It's a great resource so thanks for that.

That's right, its .net! Sorry, I was typing from my phone and spaced that out. Glad liberty on the d2 is working well for you, don't get me wrong, I love CM7 on my incredible but I was pretty pleased (visually at least) with my previous liberty 1.5/adw ex setup.
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The Sensation is turning out to be a dud

I have been reading over the Sensation forum and it appears to have even more bugs than the G2X. What the hell are these manufacturers doing? Also, has anyone seen the video reviews of the Sensation. Theres no reason for all that lag in a high end Android device these days. Our G2X appears much faster.
Lastly, it looks as if HTC really **** the bed with the new version of Sense. Samsung has made positive changes to TouchWiz over the last year while Sense has done nothing but add useless eye candy that hogs up system resources. TouchWiz is now the least intrusive manufacture UI and I applaud Samsung for toning it down.
The Sensation is definitely off of my wish list now. Glad I went with the G2X and possibly the SGSII.

People like sense because it looks easy and pretty. Stock android does not look pretty in comparison. The average user does not care about system resources.
A majority of the people do not buy a g2 for stock android they got it for a keyboard. Most people did not get a g2x for stock android they got it for a larger screen and maybe dual core goodness because it sounds good. Most buyers don't care about quadrant scores and custom roms they want fast large pretty looking eye candy and Facebook.
I'd bet the number of users on this site don't even account for half of 1% of the total android users worldwide.
G2x with faux AOSP and faux orange kernel. [email protected] 5107 quadrant.

+1 awesome post. I agree 100%.
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I think most phones out now have nearly as many issues being complained about on the forums. I haven't noticed any major lag in sensation vids except a couple where they show it being booted up. Every phone I've owned so far had had at least SOME lag to it, especially when booting.
Except for the 1gb of useable internal storage, I really like the phone. My wifes mt4g and my old g2 didn't have much of an issue with that much space.
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I have to agree with the post above. I didn't get the phone for vanilla android. I got it for dual core power, the 8mp camera with autofocus and flash, the 4 inch screen, and HDMI out. like I said, the hardware is so polished, but the software is not. and some stuff out there doesn't even work right, like the toggle widgets on beautiful widgets.

thats what people keep saying but
tackleberry said:
People like sense because it looks easy and pretty. Stock android does not look pretty in comparison. The average user does not care about system resources.
A majority of the people do not buy a g2 for stock android they got it for a keyboard. Most people did not get a g2x for stock android they got it for a larger screen and maybe dual core goodness because it sounds good. Most buyers don't care about quadrant scores and custom roms they want fast large pretty looking eye candy and Facebook.
I'd bet the number of users on this site don't even account for half of 1% of the total android users worldwide.
G2x with faux AOSP and faux orange kernel. [email protected] 5107 quadrant.
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i hear this less than 1/2 of 1% all the time. i find it hard to believe that htc would come out and say they are opening bootloaders to please 1/2 of 1% of users.
while this may be true with all android phones i think this % is low for the g line of tmobile phones. and other high tech ones.
I agree though many like sense because its pretty. thats why there are so many copycat clock/weather apps out so we can get it without the rest of the bloat.
i havent had a phone with any of them coming from the droid to the g2x both stock.
but from everything i have read it seems that the only one i see with complaints of causing serious lag with the phones is motoblur.
I did find the perfect phone finally!
its the one that comes out just after the one you bought.

This should make you guys grin...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4416/...8x60-phones-htc-sensation-4g-and-htc-evo-3d/2

eagle1967 said:
I did find the perfect phone finally!
its the one that comes out just after the one you bought.
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Or the one that doesn't come out...the TMO SGSII

BarryH_GEG said:
This should make you guys grin...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4416/...8x60-phones-htc-sensation-4g-and-htc-evo-3d/2
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That's highly amusing - our "outdated" Tegra 2 phones running a whole 200MHz slower than the Sensation and Evo 3D - spank the hell out of both and that's not even with Gingerbread...

I have to disagree with the ideas here. I bet a large percentage of iPhone users are jailbroken.
Same with android. I know so many people with androids now and I've been asked if I can root and flash an updated rom for them.
These are random house wives and joe smoes. Android is known for its customization and people take advantage of that.
As far as the sensation, I wrote it off my list a while ago. Too many negatives with just hardware specs let alone what software bugs are found. Still no root or unlocked bootloaders.
I'm following the sgs2 and they seem to be making some headway. Root and custom CWM kernels. I don't think they have much on the custom roms yet. Ouch though, their methods are complicated ones. Seems like a pain.
I don't think I'd trade my G2x for a SGS2 but it would be a first choice if the G2x was magically unavailable.
G2x CM7.1 style - Android 2.3.4

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Or the one that doesn't come out...the TMO SGSII
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...but Samsung Hercules (Infuse with dual-core CPU) is coming.

Do you remember I made a thread few days ago after I tested Sensation, but that one I complained for the poor LCD (SLCD please).

I totally switched from the Cliq 2 to the G2x mainly based off having Vanilla Android, the Cliq was my first android phone, I had it for a month, and just couldn't stand motoblur.

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Too big!! The SGSII not coming to TMO makes no sense.

I got this phone because I knew I can do so much to it, I can't lie the UI setting HTC offers is nice but I look for more than the interface and such, Iam interested in the processor, the advantages of the rooting process, and the speed of the phone. Besides we can still make our phones look nice with custom roms and themes so Iam happy with my g2x
TMobile G2X
ROM Version: Cyanogenmod7

Just because people ask for root it does not mean they should have it because they have no clue.
My estimate is probably very low but you get the idea.
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jrwingate6 said:
I have been reading over the Sensation forum and it appears to have even more bugs than the G2X. What the hell are these manufacturers doing? Also, has anyone seen the video reviews of the Sensation. Theres no reason for all that lag in a high end Android device these days. Our G2X appears much faster.
Lastly, it looks as if HTC really **** the bed with the new version of Sense. Samsung has made positive changes to TouchWiz over the last year while Sense has done nothing but add useless eye candy that hogs up system resources. TouchWiz is now the least intrusive manufacture UI and I applaud Samsung for toning it down.
The Sensation is definitely off of my wish list now. Glad I went with the G2X and possibly the SGSII.
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-1 ... Sorry - too many quality control issues with the G2x ...

I'm tired of hearing how dominant the iphone4 is , i love this g2x, doesn't the g2x blow the iphone4 away? Did anyone have an iphone4 before? Judging by those specs, definitely looks like it.

Mikeglongo said:
I'm tired of hearing how dominant the iphone4 is , i love this g2x, doesn't the g2x blow the iphone4 away? Did anyone have an iphone4 before? Judging by those specs, definitely looks like it.
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You cant really compare them directly because Android and iOS offer different user experiences. They're both good devices but iOS obviously isnt for everyone and neither is Android.

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-1 ... Sorry - too many quality control issues with the G2x ...
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In all reality, there aren't that many issues. Minor screen bleed and wonky battery driver. As long as you the screen bleed isn't bad, the phone is pretty solid. The battery driver is being fixed by the great devs over in the Android Development section.
At least the GPS isn't worthless, or the cellular screwed up, or the bootloader encrypted, or limited touch screen multi-touch.
When put into perspective other other phones and their issues, the G2x is a pretty solid phone. Nothing a little polish from XDA can't make shine.

How is this phone?

So, I'm getting a new phone. I have a Cliq 2 at the moment and I'm currently debating between this phone and the LG G2x. I've heard tons of good things about both phones.
So, how is this phone? What are its good, and bad things? How is the keyboard?
I'm not asking about which phone I should get, I'm just asking about what are the ups of this phone, and what are its downs? How's the stock rom? How are all the custom roms? And any other useful things you guys can throw in about this phone.
Thanks!
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theholyfork said:
So, I'm getting a new phone. I have a Cliq 2 at the moment and I'm currently debating between this phone and the LG G2x. I've heard tons of good things about both phones.
So, how is this phone? What are its good, and bad things? How is the keyboard?
I'm not asking about which phone I should get, I'm just asking about what are the ups of this phone, and what are its downs? How's the stock rom? How are all the custom roms? And any other useful things you guys can throw in about this phone.
Thanks!
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I don't want to sound overly negative but this phone...cons
Very little ROM support
Stock is MySense 3.0 which is watered down Sense 3.0 and sucks
The dual cores don't seem to fire like they should...my MT4G was faster and only one core..
Keyboard is flat and hard to type....
Pros....
Hmmm Camera is cool....
some love the tv out....
and it should get 4.0

Love it. I amazing build quality, amazing camera, amazing keyboard. Sense launcher sucks and stock it sucks but with a rom its awesome.
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Pros:
Very stable
Easily rooted
Gets even faster once the Sense launcher and Rosie are both gone
Cons:
Only two devs actually working on this device (Undeadk9 and Kornyone)
No stable CyanogenMod builds yet
Stock ROM is almost pure bloatware

Well I think this phone is pretty snappy myself.
Undeadk9 has created a very stable Rom with an aosp feel and minimum sense just for the dialer and camera, which is perfect for me atleast.
Undeadk9 also is the first to get gpu ui rendering on any rom, so the phone is finally using the most out of its great hardware specs. I think the dual cores are perfect already, but once we get ics, I think the phone will fully utilize both cores
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Pretty good phone. Easy to root. New version of Bulletproof coming out soon.
I had been using a G1 from the start and took some doing for me to switch. Tried 2 different g2s that didn't work.
I really like the G1 keyboard but am getting used to the 4g slide's.
Only draw back is I work in a roaming area during the week and have trouble getting and making calls. Network problems with T-mobiles "roaming" partner network.
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Undeadk9 also is the first to get gpu ui rendering on any rom, so the phone is finally using the most out of its great hardware specs...
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Not quite true - the pre-1.0 version of Bulletproof had hardware rendering set as the default behavior, which I removed for the 1.0 release, and that was a while ago.
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I love this device, it's fantastic. Beefy hardware and a nice, smaller package, the capabilities of the device we are opening up is fantastic.
love the keyboard, aftermarket anker battery makes the package, and some nice cases out for it now.
Hardware rendering is a bit buggy, and i'm pretty sure it's a kernel issue that can be addressed - i've been studying this problem since about the middle of august and will start to address the issue in another week or so.
It works fine on the phone itself, but once you start using the TV-out function of the phone it gets weird at times.
If nto using hardware decoding, though, playing video games and watching movies on a TV is a fantastic feature without having to carry around the bulky MHL adapter some phones need, and the screen stays active which means you can use it as a controller for whatever you are playing on the TV.
Love the phone, you probably will too if you pick one up.

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Not quite true - the pre-1.0 version of Bulletproof had hardware rendering set as the default behavior, which I removed for the 1.0 release, and that was a while ago.
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I love this device, it's fantastic. Beefy hardware and a nice, smaller package, the capabilities of the device we are opening up is fantastic.
love the keyboard, aftermarket anker battery makes the package, and some nice cases out for it now.
Hardware rendering is a bit buggy, and i'm pretty sure it's a kernel issue that can be addressed - i've been studying this problem since about the middle of august and will start to address the issue in another week or so.
It works fine on the phone itself, but once you start using the TV-out function of the phone it gets weird at times.
If nto using hardware decoding, though, playing video games and watching movies on a TV is a fantastic feature without having to carry around the bulky MHL adapter some phones need, and the screen stays active which means you can use it as a controller for whatever you are playing on the TV.
Love the phone, you probably will too if you pick one up.
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Okay, cool. Before this phone came out I wanted it so bad, but for some reason I just forgot about it haha.
And oh, no CM? My I have it installed on my Cliq2 and I love it. The more custom roms the better haha
Edit: nevermind, just looked at the development section and saw there was a CM rom.
Why did someone say earlier not many ROMs? From what it looks like, there's a lot
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I like it, Im getting used to the keyboard, but it works. The Bulletproof rom is nice and snappy, feels good in my hands.. its a nice improvement over the 3g slide I used to have.
It has a lot of nice features that will be amazing once rom devs (like Blue6IX) tweek the kernel further
And its one of the few dual core phones with a slide out keyboard.

kornyone got himself added to the CM team by porting the majority of it to this device.
He released a rough alpha version of CM7 for the device, which was freakin' awesome! - just with the release of ICS by Google the entire CM crew is working around the clock to get ICS ported back to older devices, so the CM7 project for this device got shelved for a bit.
Because kornyone was interested in this device enough to go ahead and start getting CM7 ported to it, i'd like to think that puts this phone in a good position to get whatever ICS goodness they are working on.
I'm a bug fan of their work, I run CM7 on my Nook Color and love it - it's amazing what they've done.
For this device, personally, i'm preferring to work with Sense, which I know doesn't appeal to everyone. Once ICS hits the phone I think it'll be important to maintain a Sense option for people who would prefer to keep some of the proprietary technologies they've paid for (like TV-out).
I dunno, I bought a second one of these phones for development purposes, so if that says anything about how much I like it

i like the phone a lot as well, and i just can't get myself to flash CyanogenMod on it, haha(i have a G2 for that ). i personally feel HTC did a good job on this Mysense... even on stock, everything seems to work, and it looks great. granted i haven't used tv-out yet, and it sounds like the playback isn't stellar.... yet. the phone also doesn't seem as blazing fast as one might expect, but it is fast enough. i look forward to trying the next release of Bulletproof because it sounds like Blue61x has slimmed it down, while maintaining stability and all the Sense goodies.

I love this phone. I got it through rma from t mobile, brand new. Took a few to get one that I loved, but I'm much pickier than most. Feels very solid, I think its blazing fast.
I'm not sure what people are talking about when they say it isn't fast. I think this phone is a monster. Fastest phone I've used (mt3g, hd2 with android, mt4g). Notice I've only ever had touchscreen phones. I was in love with the galaxy s2, and thought for sure it would be my next phone. Then I got this thing, and I'm pretty darn sure I won't be switching anytime soon.
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I love this phone. I got it through rma from t mobile, brand new. Took a few to get one that I loved, but I'm much pickier than most. Feels very solid, I think its blazing fast.
I'm not sure what people are talking about when they say it isn't fast. I think this phone is a monster. Fastest phone I've used (mt3g, hd2 with android, mt4g). Notice I've only ever had touchscreen phones. I was in love with the galaxy s2, and thought for sure it would be my next phone. Then I got this thing, and I'm pretty darn sure I won't be switching anytime soon.
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Agreed. I own this since a few days. Its fast as hell...I'm using it with cm7, its working pretty well with it, except the cm7 has 720p video recording only. I'm okay with that. Otherwise its one of the best phones with keyboard. The screen resolution tho is a bit lagging behind the current best ones, but at least this phone fits well in the pocket.
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I'm thinking about getting this phone when I get my discount next month. I've had a chance to handle it a couple times, really like the feel of the slider, and the camera is just great(especially when compared to other HTC phones before it)!
It also looks like there's a couple great devs working on it. I'm following Blue's threads and I'm very impressed, plus korny seems to be making great progress with ICS.
Any chance someone could post a video overview of Bulletproof 1.1? I'd really like to see it in action

Can anyone tell me how the sound quality is - earpiece and speakerphone (calls and music) compared to HD2?

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Can anyone tell me how the sound quality is - earpiece and speakerphone (calls and music) compared to HD2?
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Personally this phone kicks ass. I have both a Sensation, and HD2 along side this baby. The sound quailty is amazing. I kick back, and relax to some biggie all the time. The screen is WVGA, not as clear as a qHD but is still good. The keyboard is much better than the Q2. I need a hardware keyboard since I text the Wife constantly, and its never let me down. The Duel Core shows off its power along side the 220 gpu. Speaker is load, performance is gooood. I use this over my sensation all the time.
But there's not many ROMs for it Xo there's more ROMs by the banished one on rootzwiki. Bulletproof is a good mysense rom, but there's a lot of neet roms. Where getting a true sense 3.0 rom soon. This phone is a must buy.
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The stock Sense version is true Sense 3.0, not sure what you mean by this?
Maybe you are thinking Sense 3.5?

The phone is a beast on the spec sheet, but the stock rom is a bloated mess. If you're willing to root it, and freeze some of the bloat, stock isn't bad.
The keyboard is not as good as the MT3GS's, but I'm sure that was a tradeoff for the better specifications.
Basically, if you want a high end phone with a keyboard, there really just aren't many alternatives. I'm hoping we get some sort of ICS ROM (either cyanogen or HTC), as that'd extend the phone's life at least another year.

To Lifesorrows and Johnycat26,
Thanks a lot for the info - I just ordered the phone. I'm really impressed with Android on the HD2, but I really miss a hw kbd and having a great camera (and the extra ROM and RAM don't hurt either!)
To Blue61x, maybe he means a regular Sense ROM not the T-Mo modified "My-Sense" (for example w/o shortcuts on lock screen)?

I just got this phone today! I am loving it. So far. The hw keys a little hard to work with, that's about it though. Otherwise.this thing is a beast!! I love it. Came from a SGS4, big difference. That phone was so slow!!.o waving bye bye to it now. Had.a mytouch 4 h before and mt3h slide before that..o also had a cliq .and a.blackberry 9700. ........
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