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Why HTC Android experience is way better than others?

I've owned two Android phones and been to several Verizon, att and sprint stores to test different phones.
It feels like only HTC Android phones are smooth. Other phones like Droid, Droid X, Droid 2 or Galaxy S, they all feel laggy and awkward. Even though HTC's hardware is probably the weakest. Motorola and Samsung have great screen and CPU in the phone, but they feel laggier than HTC's small Aria.
Is it just me?

No pal,you're not alone.
Both Motorola and Samsung must hire better software engineers for their UIs.Samsung's TouchWiz is crap and Motorola didn't even bother bringing a custom UI to their flagship device(the Droid X).It's not only the lag.Sense is also much more user friendly and nicer to work with.I was between the Galaxy S and the Desire and finally got the Desire because of it's software.I haven't even rooted it and am extremely happy with it.Now I'll wait for the next-gen of smartphones!

My captivate doesn't lag, not sure what you mean? As far as UI goes, you can replace them at any time so why let that be a deciding factor, unless you just love sense that is.
I will say however that I am stuck with att and had a hard time choosing between the captivate (samsung) and the aria (htc), but in the end I had to go with the bigger phone/processor. I guess the fact that I had any kind of hesitation picking between the two shows you just how good htc phones are, as the aria is not nearly as powerful as galaxy s, but it's still very VERY appealing!

Ricparr said:
My captivate doesn't lag
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Well, I am using Captivate now and it is laggy. And I am sure I am not alone if you look at some of the forum posts.
If you try any of the HTC phones, you'll definitely feel it's much smoother than the powerful Galaxy S.

Not arguing here, just curious what you mean by lag? I don't doubt your word at all, and I've read many lag complaints for sure but mine simply doesn't, or I'm not looking at it right.
This would also seem to fit right in with all the other issues on galaxy s devices that seem to vary by user. It makes me nervous about this phone and wonder if I shouldn't think about a different device...but I already have a backflip, this captivate, so that leaves me with the aria. Hmmmmmm...
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The Aria is considerably below the Galaxy S hardware-wise.
I could have chosen a Desire from my carrier, but went for the Galaxy S and am not really regretting it (admittedly I might have been unhappier if I was a heavy user of GPS).
The lag is, as far as I know, the phone pausing (at a black screen, often) for a while, usually when loading programs. I've not found it to be a major problem myself, and there are now one-click lag-fixes available for Galaxy S devices as workarounds if you do find it to be one.
Hopefully both will be resolved by the time we get Froyo!

Ricparr said:
Not arguing here, just curious what you mean by lag?
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It's the response time of your press. It's the transition between screens. Even though Galaxy S or Droid X is powerful, you will still have the delayed response every now and then. Or you will have some delayed transition animation.
It's not bad to use. It's just not as good as HTC's smooth experience. For me, iPhone still has the smoothest UI transitions and responses. HTC is the second. Sadly, Samsung and Motorola, with the best hardware, have the worst UI experience. Something is wrong with their software development.

Mithent said:
The Aria is considerably below the Galaxy S hardware-wise.
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Yet Aria has never had lag issue. I've used Aria for a month and it was as smooth as you can expect from any big phone!
But I immediately feel laggy in galaxy s and Droid series. The screen becomes unresponsive when market is downloading and installing an app. Delayed response when pressing a button... Slow transition animation...
I think HTC is more committed to Android than other manufacturers. HTC has the most Android phones (right?) and they might have the most experience working with Google. Motorola and Samsung just started their series of Android. I think they rush themselves into this fast-growing market after seeing the success of HTC.

mwxiao said:
Yet Aria has never had lag issue. I've used Aria for a month and it was as smooth as you can expect from any big phone!
But I immediately feel laggy in galaxy s and Droid series. The screen becomes unresponsive when market is downloading and installing an app. Delayed response when pressing a button... Slow transition animation...
I think HTC is more committed to Android than other manufacturers. HTC has the most Android phones (right?) and they might have the most experience working with Google. Motorola and Samsung just started their series of Android. I think they rush themselves into this fast-growing market after seeing the success of HTC.
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ah, yes I see. Indeed it does seem unresponsive during a market install, and since I don't keep many apps installed, that may be why I haven't seen any home-screen sluggishness. I think what may be afoot here, is that since I have only owned 2 android devices, the first being the backflip (...), then I simply didn't even know that the sluggishness was there. Seriously. The speed/smoothness/experience on my captivate is so much better than my backflip that I was immune. lol. I really am considering going for the aria instead though, if samsung doesn't hurry up and fix the gps issue and other minor annoyances. Anyone think I have lost my mind to trade a captivate for the aria considering I don't really game on my device or demand the potential power it has?

That's false x10 has a nice UI even though I admire HTC sense, its better than LG or Samsung's UI
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Try autokiller from the market to help w/ lag, it's really great!!!!!!!

Ricparr said:
Anyone think I have lost my mind to trade a captivate for the aria considering I don't really game on my device or demand the potential power it has?
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It's just impossible to go back to Aria after Captivate's huge and beautiful screen...

HTC will be the apple on the Android market...
Everyone will get a Galaxy Super S or a Droid XXX (because of the superior hardware), but at the end they will be all dreaming with a desire
Seriously, i think that has something to do with the developers, the G1 was the first android cellphone, and yes, it was a HTC

To me, the only way to enjoy Android is with a vanilla ROM (best performance) with Launcher Pro. Can't stand Sense, Blur, or Wiz.

Part of the reason the Aria feels smoother than some of these higher end phones is because it doesn't have to render anywhere close to as many pixels. The Aria is pushing 154 thousand pixels (320x480) while the high end phones are pushing 384-410 thousand pixels. Even the Incredible and Evo don't feel as smooth as the Aria. The iPhone is smooth because its entire UI is GPU accelerated. Once GPU acceleration is enabled for the Android UI (think Gingerbread, 3.0) everything will be much smoother, especially on high end phones with nice GPUs like the Droid X and Galaxy S. The Aria won't even be getting Android 3.0, so its days of feeling smoother than the high end phones are limited.
For what it's worth, I have LauncherPro installed on my Captivate and live wallpapers disabled and everything is very smooth and snappy. The GPS issues are my only complaint right now, but I think it's a software problem and Samsung will come through within the next month or two. After playing with my Captivate for a week, I picked up the Aria and its screen seemed dull and extremely TINY. Web browsing, gaming, and watching videos are all a million times better on the Captivate. Basically, things that tax the CPU or GPU a lot are where the Aria chokes.

So....no hardware acceleration even after Ice Cream.....?

YouTube - ‪Google I/O 2011: Accelerated Android Rendering‬‏
At the beginning of this video, they basically state that because "Dual core and quad core devices are coming out" that there will be no FULL hardware acceleration in Android...ever...
In a nutshell, they're saying the general public will buy a phone because "IT HAS 5 CORES!" or w/e and not know the difference between GPU and CPU usage. I find this amazing that Android phones, often associated with lag on even dual core phones, still find this a low priority when they are trying to compete with Apple (and potentially Windows Phone 7 someday).
I played with a Motorola Xoom yesterday in the Sprint store (to see what hardware acceleration would POSSIBLY be like in ICS and further beyond). The animations were smooth, but there was STILL some lag (I suppose this is because of larger screen and more pixels needing to drawn.....but why does the iPad and iPad 2 use hardware acceleration so much better with large screens....?) I know in 3.1 they say they're supposed to better support hardware acceleration, so maybe the demo unit I tested still had 3.0....
For the first time, I've actually been considering dropping Android and moving onto Windows Phone 7 in the future. I was really looking forward to the future of Android, but it looks like Google really is only a cash cow looking to cash in on consumers' lack of knowledge on this issue...
EDIT: I know that it has been said that Android will be hardware accelerated, but I guess I was posting to get an understanding on WHY Romain Guy said this....it's conflicting to what has been stated and confusing....

Why don't you consider this for one second. Open the app drawer in Android...thats the whole iOS basically. Does not take much power to run that smooth.
Then consider that the App Drawer is only one part of a huge OS with widgets running and multiple panels and its easy to understand why it takes a bit more power to run this OS.
As for lag, zero with my Nexus S everything is lightning fast. My captivate, x10, and Arc had lag yes, but not my Nexus S.

gunstar3035 said:
Why don't you consider this for one second. Open the app drawer in Android...thats the whole iOS basically. Does not take much power to run that smooth.
Then consider that the App Drawer is only one part of a huge OS with widgets running and multiple panels and its easy to understand why it takes a bit more power to run this OS.
As for lag, zero with my Nexus S everything is lightning fast. My captivate, x10, and Arc had lag yes, but not my Nexus S.
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This is a ridiculous statement. Use iOS for a couple of days and then say that. It's a lot smoother doing everything, especially scrolling.

gunstar3035 said:
Why don't you consider this for one second. Open the app drawer in Android...thats the whole iOS basically. Does not take much power to run that smooth.
Then consider that the App Drawer is only one part of a huge OS with widgets running and multiple panels and its easy to understand why it takes a bit more power to run this OS.
As for lag, zero with my Nexus S everything is lightning fast. My captivate, x10, and Arc had lag yes, but not my Nexus S.
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I've actually been playing with my Nexus S a little more and try to push it to see if there is lag, and I agree wholeheartedly....if the speed only improves from here then I'm a happy camper I guess. I think this is due to the fact that there are some parts of hardware acceleration present in Gingerbread currently. If they enable "more hardware acceleration" then I guess it will be much smoother (which there already is virtually zero lag to this phone). I played with other phones in Sprint yesterday, and even comparing the Nexus to the Xoom, the Nexus was faster (albeit, smaller screen means faster drawing and smoother....). I used to have the Epic and that lagged also quite a bit as well (thanks Touchwiz).
You do make an interesting point that I never thought about when comparing iOS to Android with the app drawer example (thanks for that). I hate iOS, and Apple (although the iPhone 4 device itself is dead sexy). Lol...I'm actually kind of disappointed in myself for comparing the smoothness I guess and falling for the Apple "trap".

If you listen a little further, they start talking about tablets and how in Android 3.0 all the basic drawing is now hardware accelerated, and needs to be because they are trying to push so many more pixels through the same pipeline.
They then talk about GPUI - GPU-accelerated UI. That's the core of what they're moving forward with.
Long story short, Honeycomb has HW acceleration in the basic UI. ICS will have that too.

jonnythan said:
This is a ridiculous statement. Use iOS for a couple of days and then say that. It's a lot smoother doing everything, especially scrolling.
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THIS.....At the event, they said that apps can be hardware accelerated. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but this will bring the true "iOS" like experience to opening apps, and once the app is open it will be smooth like iOS from there (if the line of code is added by the developer(s)).
The scrolling IS smooth on Android, but not iOS smooth. For example (using a static wallpaper) scroll and notice it is smooth. However, add a YouTube widget to the screen and then click the search icon.....on my Nexus it will lag for a second or two (like it's thinking about it) and then present me with the window transition to the search bar screen. THAT, to me, suggests CPU "thinking" and NOT GPU "thinking". I guess I just notice a lot of elements that can sometimes tax (an extremely light tax thanks to EXT4, but a tax) on the CPU sometimes when it comes to animations and window transitions.

jonnythan said:
This is a ridiculous statement. Use iOS for a couple of days and then say that. It's a lot smoother doing everything, especially scrolling.
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No its not and though I didn't start with the original iphone or iphone 3g, I have a iphone 3GS, iphone 4, and an ipad. Statement holds bud.
I like to switch around, I also have a black berry, but Android is superior in every way...though I do not own a windows phone 7 device as of yet.
I love how you say my entire statement is ridiculous and bring up scrolling...did I mention scrolling? NO...did that have anything to do with what I posted? NO...
Common sense, level it up.

jonnythan said:
If you listen a little further, they start talking about tablets and how in Android 3.0 all the basic drawing is now hardware accelerated, and needs to be because they are trying to push so many more pixels through the same pipeline.
They then talk about GPUI - GPU-accelerated UI. That's the core of what they're moving forward with.
Long story short, Honeycomb has HW acceleration in the basic UI. ICS will have that too.
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Thanks. I noticed this, and this was what led to my confusion. They say they're moving forward HW acceleration, but why then are there so many contradictory statements such as "there are these limitations to it....etc...." or other statements that basically say "yea...it's coming....but it's not gonna be what you expect it to be.....".
I'm at work, so I can really watch it again to come up with specific quotes, but if you listen there are some in there IMO...

Does a little bit of lag really bother people this much? I've used an iPhone 4 and still prefer android any day of the week. My Nexus S is the best phone I've ever used.
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Zardos66 said:
Does a little bit of lag really bother people this much? I've used an iPhone 4 and still prefer android any day of the week. My Nexus S is the best phone I've ever used.
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It bothers me, yeah. I find it very frustrating.

I think the lag has been slowly bugging me more and more....i seem to still get scrolling lag and some lag opening the app drawer in cm7 regardless of what I do.... That kind of lag is the first thing people notice... It should be one of the highest priorities for the future
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Android 3.0 hardware acceleration, see here:
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2011/03/android-30-hardware-acceleration.html
ICS is the next evolution (revolution?) from 3.0, so expect the same there.
If ICS will be used in the phone, it would have the same hardware acceleration as well.
So, be happy and wait for the Nexus Prime !

gunstar3035 said:
Your really coming off as a little troll ****. If you love apple so much stick with that and GTFO, thanks.
You come into this topic, posting that iOS is anything more than a giant menu (which by the way it is just an app menu and nothing more) and now your *****ing because you get frustrated by the nonexistant lag in the Nexus S...if that frustrates you I'd hate to see how you cope with a real issue.
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Booooo to you sir, for being a flamer. He posted a reasonable question about a legitimate issue.
There IS lag in Android UI. I see it all the time. The main time I notice is the application opening/closing transition animations. Sometimes they literally render at about 2 to 4 frames per second.
Also there is major lag in Honeycomb on Tegra 2 tablets, but it is because of Tegra 2 bug in portrait mode. It is smooth in landscape but very laggy in portrait.

Holy crap, someone has issues

jonnythan said:
Holy crap, someone has issues
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Lol. I think his parents never loved him.
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malikadnanm said:
Lol. I think his parents never loved him.
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Love is for the weak.

gunstar3035 said:
Love is for the weak.
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The surest sign of strength is calling someone names on an internet message board for speaking about weaknesses of a mobile operating system.

gunstar3035 said:
I'll let you know when I give a ****.
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I lol'd...
They better add gpu support...

gunstar3035 said:
Love is for the weak.
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Lol
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derekwilkinson said:
I lol'd...
They better add gpu support...
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No GPU support! It's perfectly 100% smooth as it is!
iOS is smoother because it's just an app drawer! iOS is incapable of the incredible things we do on Android.
I mean, iOS isn't smoother, AND it's just an app drawer! Wait, what am I saying?

[Q] Best phone period

Im looking into picking a new phone, but like most of us I have a hard time deciding whats better to get after having the phone I thought was the greatest. So I Want to see what phone to get next, or what devices to consider, as well see what features to look for next, I was just happy when the Droid inc (1GHz processing power, 8MP Cam, and 512 MBs RAM) was announced and I still am when I look at and think about it. SO my question to the entire Community, What is the best phone, OS, ROM, Features, and why?
Phone EX: Nexus one, HTC EVO, HTC Touch Pro, LG Quantum
Custom built EX: HTC HD2 Running Windows phone 7,
Motorola Droid Running (Custom ROM or Stock)
or even a concept phone; 10MP Cam, Android 2.2, dual core, qwerty keyboard, etc.
Current:
PhoneInc, ROM:Incredible RMX 2
Tablet:Asus Transformer, ROM:Revolver

the only 2 phones worth considering are:
SGS2
Nexus 3
or wait another months for the next best phones to come out, but by then you can wait another 3 months, and then even better phones are around the corner

i made a spec sheet for iOS/Android/Windows phones in my sig.
please feel free to check it out and contribute if you can.
thanks.
hopefully this will help you in getting the right device this holiday season.

AllGamer said:
the only 2 phones worth considering are:
SGS2
Nexus 3
or wait another months for the next best phones to come out, but by then you can wait another 3 months, and then even better phones are around the corner
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lol I see your point, but there's nothing i'm that excited about. I do like the HTC rhyme, (if it wasn't purple). What are the specs on the Nexus 3?
aohus said:
i made a spec sheet for iOS/Android/Windows phones in my sig.
please feel free to check it out and contribute if you can.
thanks.
hopefully this will help you in getting the right device this holiday season.
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Thank you, I like the looks of the Sensation XE, But I'm in the US how can I get it on verizon? if you know, and that HTC Holiday, but again, verizon.

the Nexus 3 is basically SGS2 but with a 5MP camera instead of 8MP, but improved screen SAMOLED+ HD 720p resolution
tech spec for the SGS2 are everywhere

best phone
Hi
according to gsmarena is SAMSUNG GALAXY SII
h t t p : / / w w w .g s m a r e n a . c o m /samsung_i9100_galaxy_s_ii-3621.php[/url]
because it aggregates new processor technology bringing 2 cores concept.

reinaldo4253 said:
Hi
according to gsmarena is SAMSUNG GALAXY SII
h t t p : / / w w w .g s m a r e n a . c o m /samsung_i9100_galaxy_s_ii-3621.php[/url]
because it aggregates new processor technology bringing 2 cores concept.
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Let me help you out with that mate...
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9100_galaxy_s_ii-3621.php
Incidentally, to make it easier for people (till you get enough posts to post links), just change the http to hxxp. That seems like a commonly accepted way of posting links that aren't links (and it's easier for people to correct in their address bar!)

Nexus 3 is what I'm waiting for.. .iphone 5 is sounding real sexy too at the moment. Seems like it will be the thinnest phone once it releases.on top of its sexy teardrop all aluminum design reminiscent of the MacBook air from what I've read (all speculations)Too bad ios sucks!
Sticking to android and probably give wp7 a try once better phones are out.
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But giving up my 8MP cam and I've never really been to big a Samsung anything fan. But I do like the gorilla glass idea. And what are the best rumered specs about the Iphone 5 even thou I probably won't buy it?
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As much as I dislike HTC, the HTC titan is in a league of it's own as far as phones go. With processing power, it's not the absolute best. The thing is though, that only matters on an OS like android where it will only run remotely decent even with a top-end processor. Aside from that it sports a massive screen, ffc for video chat, solid body, up to 32 gigs internal, and most importantly windows phone 7. I'm sorry, but I don't buy high-end hardware to put an OS on it that was and is intended for crap hardware. My OS needs to keep up with me. Can I customize my phone to the point that it is unstable, slow, but reflects me? No. I can add numerous tiles with all kinds of pictures on a dynamic UI which totally beats a background image for me. Android is great if customization is your ONLY concern, for quality, speed, social integration, gaming,business, media, and pretty much anything else you'd be ripping yourself off if you went any way but the windows phone 7 way.

iphone5，next google phone

I honestly think that the Samsung Galaxy S II is the best phone out there, befor i bought it i read tons of comparisons and articles

Nexus prime with ics !!!!!!
Nexus Prime is supposed to be coming out in the next 2 weeks WITH ICS!!!!
I would personally want the MIUI phone / M1 but I doubt it will make it out of China.

abhi63 said:
Nexus Prime is supposed to be coming out in the next 2 weeks WITH ICS!!!!
I would personally want the MIUI phone / M1 but I doubt it will make it out of China.
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Whats the MIUI phone? the phone I used to want (though probably outdated now) was called the first else phone, and it was only sold in the middle east, but everyone seems to be on samsung now, I just cant be excited about that, esp since everything I would buy from them usually looks alot better than it preforms. The two phones that top my list now thou would be the Sensation XE, and the Rhyme(almost to the point where the color doesn't even matter)
But I have heard alot of good about the nexus prime. I just feel like if I actually knew how how to program it would be of that much more use to me.

You must smoke crack
z33dev33l said:
As much as I dislike HTC, the HTC titan is in a league of it's own as far as phones go. With processing power, it's not the absolute best. The thing is though, that only matters on an OS like android where it will only run remotely decent even with a top-end processor. Aside from that it sports a massive screen, ffc for video chat, solid body, up to 32 gigs internal, and most importantly windows phone 7. I'm sorry, but I don't buy high-end hardware to put an OS on it that was and is intended for crap hardware. My OS needs to keep up with me. Can I customize my phone to the point that it is unstable, slow, but reflects me? No. I can add numerous tiles with all kinds of pictures on a dynamic UI which totally beats a background image for me. Android is great if customization is your ONLY concern, for quality, speed, social integration, gaming,business, media, and pretty much anything else you'd be ripping yourself off if you went any way but the windows phone 7 way.
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Djay1809 said:
Im looking into picking a new phone, but like most of us I have a hard time deciding whats better to get after having the phone I thought was the greatest. So I Want to see what phone to get next, or what devices to consider, as well see what features to look for next, I was just happy when the Droid inc (1GHz processing power, 8MP Cam, and 512 MBs RAM) was announced and I still am when I look at and think about it. SO my question to the entire Community, What is the best phone, OS, ROM, Features, and why?
Phone EX: Nexus one, HTC EVO, HTC Touch Pro, LG Quantum
Custom built EX: HTC HD2 Running Windows phone 7,
Motorola Droid Running (Custom ROM or Stock)
or even a concept phone; 10MP Cam, Android 2.2, dual core, qwerty keyboard, etc.
Current:
PhoneInc, ROM:Incredible RMX 2
Tablet:Asus Transformer, ROM:Revolver
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Stay away from WM7 on an HD2 if you want the card slot to survive. It will kill the card slot. Mine, I can run WM7, but if I try to flash Android or other ROMs, the card slot won't work. WM7 runs from the card in the slot excessively and wears it out. WM7 just isn't worth it.

Imho I have used the Samsung epic and also the EVO 4g (not the 3d) and have noticed that the EVO is by far the best one out of the two... Also the most customizable in the sense if being able to switch from sense 3.0 to 3.5 and to asop...
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b1337 said:
You must smoke crack
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not at all, I just know my stuff.

z33dev33l said:
not at all, I just know my stuff.
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well the only exception to your analogy is the sgs 2 or a totally stock/cyano/miui rom, according to my experience from my hd2 and captivate days. If it's sense, you can expect it to lagg, even when you have nothing on your homescreen.
That aside, I have to agree, WP7 is a great piece of work. Micro created a smooth, simple UI/OS that competes with apple in all those terms and maybe even better in some aspects. What Micro is "copying" from Apple is making phones that run on the "same specs". And the advantage to that is any app placed on the market will be able to run on all WP7 phones, unlike some android apps, which will work on a certain phone but not another.
What i don't like however is that really, all of them look the same (UI/appearance). It makes me feel like i don't have anything special. Which is the same with an iPhone(a stock one atleast). Atleast with android I can customize my status/notificaton bar, change my launcher layout/appearance, change certain effects e.g. overscroll glow to bouncy, change my lockscreen, change my icons, change my settings/menu appearance, which overall means i can have a phone that's different than the next or atleast appears different. (note also the lagg that you state coming from all this customization was atleast non apparent to me in my hd2 days, and for me now in my sgs 2)
Now I may be wrong about WP7 as i haven't even checked on the hacks/customization available since my HD2 days running WP7.

b1337 said:
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I don't think so, you obviously have not done a genuine unbiased eval.

Android vs ios which is laggy?

Although android is miles ahead of ios hardware wise , its seems that ios is snapier than android
Please post your thought ,and why you think that is or its not

Android has to deal with hundreds of unique hardware configurations, iOS with only a few, and with those few being developed in tandem with iOS itself, by the same team.
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Its true, I has a 3Gs and a 4 (still have), now with the S3 and I feel that android dont work "as fast" as iOS in menus scrolls and all that. For other hand, I feel a good improve about that from ICS and a JB leaks that I'm using, but still, not as fast, but I have to wait for JB final release from Samsung to see how that goes.

Having used jelly bean with project butter for the last few days, I have to say it's incredibly lag free!

ios can be laggy when you try to do anything apple doesn't want you to do like jailbreak it.
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Is not the fact of doing a jailbreak to your device that make your phone laggy, that can happen if you install many cydia tweaks.

How about google now vs siri? has anyone seen this vid?youtube.com/watch?v=RX8LuyR5Kx8 what do you think?

There are bad Android devices, and good ones. That finding a good one requires a little research (Galaxy SII good, Droid/Milestone X2 bad) is like searching for a car, but I suppose if one is entirely uncreative one shall just get an iPhone which is always somewhat high end, but always very high priced.
I like to think most people are more competent than iPhone, because that mentality won't get you through all of life.

I think its optimization for the hardware (look at WP7) and hardware acceleration, which Android did not have until ICS.
When you load a page on iOS, and you drag around while it's still loading, there's no lag because if you look closely loading stops, to focus all power on the finger.
There is also no true multitasking on iOS (and WP7 for that matter!) which probably also speeds up their system.
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I'm going to estimate another 20 minutes and then this thread will be closed

Nigeldg said:
I'm going to estimate another 20 minutes and then this thread will be closed
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Good instincts, but the conversation seems decently productive so I'll let it go for now.

Jellybean on the Galaxy Nexus is incredibly smooth. The gap is definitely getting smaller.

Android used to be laggy.. but 2011 is where android went smoother with the high end phones!

What do you expect from a company that decides to sue other companies because their quarterly profits are down. iOS is basically dumbed-down and very uncustomizable because of all the sheep that follow.

IOS is smooth because as soon as you touch the screen the phone drops all other processes and focuses on rendering the UI on a higher priority.
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And especially iOS can work only in that way, u don't have an homescreen and u can't change nothing except the backgroung image...That phone is studied to be only how they thought it..

Android since Gingerbread is OK. But Jellybean I think is even better than iOS.
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My experience with iOS stems from a 2nd gen iPod touch years ago, but the experience was very smooth. iOS still loads web pages oddly, but I think the comparison to android is more or less equated at this point.
It's much less speedyness of the OS more, especially with ICS and JB, and more preference than ever.

Android is best
You can't tell Android is laggy. There are hundreds of various android devices. As android is designed for various devices & hardwares, there is a tradeoff in performance. But only the iPhone is running IOS and hardware's are fixed, the applications only need to concentrate on certain cretaria.
By the way, the customization is too much restricted in iPhone. I saw iPhone developers have to learn, what they can do & what they can't before start development. Because all iPhone application will be checked by Apple before publishing.
But in android you can do whatever you can. There is the tradeoff.
Whatever is the performance & other issues. I'll always stick to Android.

Jelly Bean is lag free on my Galaxy Tab GT P1000 (release under Froyo!!!), all apps run smoothly and the battery is lasts longer.:cyclops:
I think android is more and more friendly and kernel access fasters as its updates, so you can keep your device more longer than on iOs who makes me think it has easter eggs in it... (got a iphone 3g on 4.2, can't do nothing with it...just have (not) to buy another one)

So will Android never catch up to iOS?

I am talking about two thing: OS smoothness and OS input lag.
For years Android just hasn't come close to the smooth, and lag free feel of iOS. This video shows exactly what I mean about android input lag. iOS is far ahead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvQCPLkPt4
iPhone 5 : 55 ms
S4: 114 ms
HTC One: 121 ms
The iPhone 5 is over twice as responsive as the fastest android!
That video just shows the input lag difference. iOS is very noticably lower input lag than Android. Thats why i hate playing games on Android. Its a pain in the ass. Some of you might say you dont notice the lag, but its there, and i notice it.
Same thing happens with HDTVs. Casual gamers say their hdtvs dont have lag. But they really do, its just casuals dont notice it. Hardcore gamers easily can notice.
Now onto OS smoothness. For years Android has had laggy scrolling or jerky movement. iOS is smooth as butter, so smoooooth. I love it. Android was awful scrolling webpages. Project butter MUCH improved Android. But still, iOS is far smoother. Will Android ever be smooth as butter like iOS or is it impossible without a closed, optimized OS?

i believe when android 5.0 comes it will be equal but you have to remember that android has alot more customizable features wgen ios doesnt, those features like widgets and animations cause lag, thats just my thoughts about that

Honestly what I have found is that it depends on the quality of the app you are using and how quickly you move your fingers. If I am slowly scrolling through xda there is a ton of lag but it is a poorly written app and I'm moving slow. However scrolling on the home screen in Nova I notice no lag. I have used my note 2 next to the newest ipad as well as my note 10.1 and there are different situations that each has an advantage over all though I would give the edge to my note 2 over the two tablets.
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I've made sure it was same apps etc and moving as close to the same speed on each hand with each device as I could. Still the note 2 trumped the iPhone 5s in every scenario...camera, browsing, YouTube, Facebook, etc... IPhone lagged at least 3-5 second behind the note 2.
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To the OP, I don't think android will ever catch up because of the denial. See from the replies that some don't even believe there's a problem.
Any android first day out of the box will always be more problematic than an iPhone even after its a year old.
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I have never had an issue with a stock android out the box bought one apple product and had issues with it before iTunes could even update it. Will never go to apple. And there's no denial I've seen it first hand. Kinda hard to deny visual proof...duh.
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I've used an iPhone before I got my nexus 4. Definitely a bit more responsive and less lag. But then iPhones don't require as many resources to run its OS, because its much simpler
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I've used an iPhone before I got my nexus 4. Definitely a bit more responsive and less lag. But then iPhones don't require as many resources to run its OS, because its much simpler
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True, I just wonder if Google can match iOS in the near future, and what their solutions could be? Fragmentation is a major problem.

I tried out the Lumia 900 Windows phone for a week and even though I hated it and would rather have any android over it, the Windows os was much smoother in terms of lag.
Think about this, when iPhone users jailbreak, it's so they customize. It's not about performance.
Android users root so they can customize but also to a large degree make the thing run smoother. That in and of itself says something..
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And another curious matter, I got my iPhone from at&t and there was not nearly as much bloatware as the note 2 (also at&t,) had before I rooted and rommed. Why?
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Terms between apple & Verizon and android and Verizon
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vegetaflash said:
...I am talking about two thing: OS smoothness and OS input lag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvQCPLkPt4
iPhone 5 : 55 ms
S4: 114 ms
HTC One: 121 ms
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I saw the video posted on your link. There was no mention of the performance for the phones you mentioned. I am interested to know where did you get the performance figures mentioned.

To the OP:
This is a difficult location to get an unbiased answer. You're basically walking into Toyota and asking if Chevrolet vehicles are better. Of course you are going to find fanboys who defend their devices to the byte. That's a given.
But now, on to business. As someone mentioned earlier, Android uses way more resources than iOS. Ever noticed how smooth a rom moves after a fresh flash with nothing installed? There's a lot less "lag." I think that Android will continue he getting closer to the bar that has been set by Apple products. Am I saying that Apple is better? No. You're question has nothing to do with preference, and I shall not share mine. I am just sharing my unbiased opinion.
Also, I think that "lag" is the wrong word to use for your description in the first post. Delay is a much more appropriate and concise word in my opinion. I define lag as excessive delay. Stutters I consider to be lag, but 55ms vs 114ms is definitely delay, not lag. I'm just saying...lag tends to have a terrible meaning behind it, and much worse than the example that you provided.
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Yet an iPhone 4S with IOS7 seemed to lag more than my "budget" Optimus L9. Now call me a "fandroid". Now how about we ask if IOS will ever catch up to Android in features/options/freedom, then compare to see if Android lags more.
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It will be faster and responsive after installing a custom rom and kernel. That's why we are here. I'm not hating on iOS. I love it but I like the customizibility more on Android.

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Yet an iPhone 4S with IOS7 seemed to lag more than my "budget" Optimus L9. Now call me a "fandroid". Now how about we ask if IOS will ever catch up to Android in features/options/freedom, then compare to see if Android lags more.
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Exactly, my friend Dave has an iPhone 5s with iOS7 and I am running a samsung note II w/ cm 10.2 nightly 10/19 with plasma kernel running at 2.1GHz. For one show me an iPhone that can perform that fast and even running that fast my "stock" battery lasts me almost a fully 24 hrs and I'm a heavy user of games, web browsing, and media streaming. I tested my note side by side and the only thing it performed better was it booted up a second or two quicker. My opinions and facts have nothing to do with which I like better cause if it did I could go on and on, on the iOS's lack of customizability.
So yes like you just asked, when will iOS catch up to android?
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Exactly, my friend Dave has an iPhone 5s with iOS7 and I am running a samsung note II w/ cm 10.2 nightly 10/19 with plasma kernel running at 2.1GHz. For one show me an iPhone that can perform that fast and even running that fast my "stock" battery lasts me almost a fully 24 hrs and I'm a heavy user of games, web browsing, and media streaming. I tested my note side by side and the only thing it performed better was it booted up a second or two quicker. My opinions and facts have nothing to do with which I like better cause if it did I could go on and on, on the iOS's lack of customizability.
So yes like you just asked, when will iOS catch up to android?
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Edit: the iPhone performed better by a second or two with booting up.
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thats an exvellent question, one thats been asked a ton of times but left unanswered for yrs. i've asked that same question myself many a time on various forums only to be met with fanboy hate.
android possesses this innate lag and jitteriness that should have been resolved a long time ago. i read somewhere that its poss to make it lag free and smooth like it should. but to so would mean to dismantle the framework altogethe. and build it up from scratch. i dont kno if this is accurate or not. but i'd love to see android lag free finally.
one way that android is making the OS smooth is thru hardware, not software. wat i mean is, phone co.s like samsung are making faster processors amd packing more ram into phones, thus, making it appear smooth when in fact the OS is still latently snail slow. on a one to one ratio, iOS is FARRRR smoother and probly faster than android even with slower hardware cuz of its faster iOS.
i personally like android (not love it yet cuz of this issue) and prefer it to iOS. but if it werent for iphone's small screen and other bothersome kinks, i'd get one.
android has done a very poor job of making its OS smoother and faster. if it takes revamping the entire OS and starting it from the ground up, i think it'd be worth it. i really get disappointed when i slide my finger across the screen and still see lags, esp given the fact that its 2013 and the 1st gen iphone that debuted in 2007 is smoother and faster than android on any phone today.

Doesn't screen resolution matter when measuring lag/delay?
Cause no iPhone has had even a full 720p resolution screen to date.
I could honestly care less about lag/delay, for me choosing android was all about the customization.
Eg.
I've got no static,always present, status bar or virtual on screen navigation buttons or even any icons on my home screen, just widgets, not even an apps drawer icon, thanks to nova and pie pro everything is done via swipes or touching the left/right ends of screen to bring up pie(which also displays time/date/battery info) and thanks to PGM i don't even need to use any buttons to turn on the screen, just swipe up like BB10 or double tap like the LG G2.
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To the OP:
The first post seem to imply that the "lag" mentioned in the first post due to the OS alone. Now we all know that the OS alone is not the single factor in the overall performance of a computer. There are so many other factors to consider - CPU, GPU, RAM (and the type of memory chip), hardware bus size & speed, I/O and interfaces speed, screen display response and so many others.
The iPhone 5 has a 64-bit A7 CPU (first 64-bit chip for cellphones) as compared with all other cellphones with 32-bit CPUs, so there is no basis for your comparison 1st Post.

Was it the iPhone 5 that got the 64 bit? I was under the impression that it were the 5c/5s that were the first to get the 64.
Either way, Apple was the first.
I had the iPhone 4s. If it would have had a larger screen, I would still own it. Ironically I swapped for a note2 which has a.monster screen. Only problem is, IT'S NOT VISIBLE OUTDOOR EVEN ON A CLOUDY DAY.
iPhone 6, when it arrives...4.5 inch screen, retina display, super smooth performance. Sure it won't have all the customization that the latest android gadgets have. But I'm able to live without a phone that is not capable of doing the chicken dance with the swipe of three fingers.
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arvin07143 said:
Seriously,i dont want to waste money on crap hardware(iphone).Android rules the smartphone world.
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if the iphone is such crap hardware, explain why the 1st gen iphone is smoother than today's android?
chan.sk said:
The first post seem to imply that the "lag" mentioned in the first post due to the OS alone. Now we all know that the OS alone is not the single factor in the overall performance of a computer. There are so many other factors to consider - CPU, GPU, RAM (and the type of memory chip), hardware bus size & speed, I/O and interfaces speed, screen display response and so many others.
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but it is due to the OS alone. if its due to hardware also like u said, then given todays hardware on android it should be superior to iphone. so wat are u talking abt? for ex, u got the note 3 with 3gb of ram and 2.3 ghz processor. its hardware beats the iphone big time. but the iphone is still faster and smoother that the note 3. so it MUST BE the OS.again, wat are u talking abt?