I'm usually first in line to update firmware, but when Lollipop first launched I decided to wait until a stable custom ROM was released, and in retrospect, I'm glad I did because from what I've seen and heard, Lollipop has been a big bust.
Now I am getting a little antsy to update, but reading about the 5.1.1 gives me no confidence. Apparently the Nexus 5 still suffers from laggy performance, battery drain, and other performance issues? Can anyone attest to this? Should I just stay with KK? Are the custom ROM's any better or do they suffer from the same issues as stock ROM? I'm really disappointed with Google on this. They came out touting this and that about Lollipop, and it seems they've fallen flat on all those promises.
Stay with KitKat. 5.1.1 fixed/improved the memleak, that's it. It's still not as fast as 4.4.4. There are also issues with flashlight, camera, bounce scrolling, etc.
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Apparently the Nexus 5 still suffers from laggy performance, battery drain, and other performance issues?
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It's impossible to generalise this statement because our usage and setup is all different.
You also have to remember that the internet is for complaining, and you won't hear about or read equivalent posts with little or no issues...
My view: take a nandroid backup of your current setup. Full wipe and flash one of the latest ROMs and test for yourself.
If you discover any of these issues, then restore. If you like what you discover: win!
There is no reason to use KitKat only ( I know some guys will use Xposed as a reason ).
Lollipop has never been terrible, laggy or buggy as hell. I know that some guys have complained but some users don´t know how to handle a device.
They install every App available ( no matter if they need it or not ), collect every game ( no matter if some of these games are considered to be Malware eg. Mother of My** ).
Every system might be throttled down with 500+ Apps active and using their push notifications like there´s no tomorrow.
I never ever had any trouble with Lollipop and would never ever want to move back for good to KitKat only.
I use KitKat 4.4.4 and Lollipop 5.1.1 on my Nexus 7 ( 2013 ) with Multirom but use Lollipop most the time. KitKat is just for testing purposes only if some App I really want to use, would fail to start on Lollipop.
You could try the same and use Multirom for Nexus 5. This way you can use both OS and sooner or later, maybe remove Kitkat and stick to Lollipop+ only
"If it ain't broken, don't fix it ".
4.4.4 works great. Why mess with it? What's so much better with LP? Save yourself the aggravation.
My 2 cents.
Anderson2 said:
"If it ain't broken, don't fix it ".
4.4.4 works great. Why mess with it? What's so much better with LP? Save yourself the aggravation.
My 2 cents.
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Google ain't listening yo
beekay201 said:
Google ain't listening yo
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You got that right. ?
Shame on Google. But we're the customers, and the customer is always right.
Lollipop is working perfectly for me
Anderson2 said:
You got that right.
Shame on Google. But we're the customers, and the customer is always right.
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Nah, that's a myth. Always has been.
Anyways, thanks for the input everyone. I think I will try dual-booting Lollipop, or whatever we call it on Android
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Lollipop is working perfectly for me
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What do you find about it that's better than kitkat? Just want to know.
Lollipop has more eye-candy to offer while performing a lot faster. The whole OS looks more refined by now and ART is a huge step in comparison to Dalvik.
Ofc some Apps might not work on Lollipop yet but I think you would miss out a lot since Android 5.1.1 ( Stock ROM ) is the fastest update I´ve ever tried.
Just downgraded 2 of my N5's to KK.
My wife hated it and I like Xposed too much.
Now that Xposed is working in 5.1.1 I will probably upgrade and give it a try again.
I keep a 3rd N5 on Kitkat and use multiRom to experiment.
5.1.1 is fast and looks good but IMHO its not as stable as KK, at least not yet anyway, i went back to KK on sunday and it was like getting my phone back, feels more solid and battery life is much better, you very well may regret upgrading.
Lolipop for me became an excercise in searching for wakelocks and trying to diagnose leaks and what was draining the phone, with Kitkat theres no hassle, it just works by itself, the way in should.
edit: i also found the signal coverage patchy on Lolipop, phone would take ages searching for a signal if it lost it,
other complaints i had were mystery battery drains and maps stalling when driving, basic stuff really.
Gorgtech said:
There is no reason to use KitKat only ( I know some guys will use Xposed as a reason ).
Lollipop has never been terrible, laggy or buggy as hell. I know that some guys have complained but some users don´t know how to handle a device.
They install every App available ( no matter if they need it or not ), collect every game ( no matter if some of these games are considered to be Malware eg. Mother of My** ).
Every system might be throttled down with 500+ Apps active and using their push notifications like there´s no tomorrow.
I never ever had any trouble with Lollipop and would never ever want to move back for good to KitKat only.
I use KitKat 4.4.4 and Lollipop 5.1.1 on my Nexus 7 ( 2013 ) with Multirom but use Lollipop most the time. KitKat is just for testing purposes only if some App I really want to use, would fail to start on Lollipop.
You could try the same and use Multirom for Nexus 5. This way you can use both OS and sooner or later, maybe remove Kitkat and stick to Lollipop+ only
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I think this is the best answer and prospect of the whole Kitkat vs Lollipop talk. I never had any problem when i was running the latest Lollipop and custom roms. Saying that Lollipop isn't stable is just saying "you are ****" to the google developers. I mean they are the best engineering and programmers in the World.
I am really glad that i bought Nexus 5 from Samsung flagship phones because i could really dig up the community of android and indie developers providing something for the community. Hell, i even bought Galaxy Nexus after i realized Nexus line phones aren't that bad.
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What do you find about it that's better than kitkat? Just want to know.
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It feels snappier, I think the upgrade uses less resources
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Hi to everyone.
It's my first post in this amazing forums!
I use the mobile for internet browser almost all the time, and I'm very disapointed with the new chromiun engine included as default Webview in kitkat version. The web surfing in all browsers are horrible compared with the old webview. The old is more smoothness and have flash support!
Is it possible to compile a 4.3 version or port a nexus 4 rom for nexus 5?
I think that I can live without the new launcher xD
Sorry for my poooor english...
Thanksss!
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Hi to everyone.
It's my first post in this amazing forums!
I use the mobile for internet browser almost all the time, and I'm very disapointed with the new chromiun engine included as default Webview in kitkat version. The web surfing in all browsers are horrible compared with the old webview. The old is more smoothness and have flash support!
Is it possible to compile a 4.3 version or port a nexus 4 rom for nexus 5?
I think that I can live without the new launcher xD
Sorry for my poooor english...
Thanksss!
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It would be too difficult and pointless backporting drivers, kernels, etc to an older OS designed to run the newest version. It would have absolutely no advantage. 4.4 is smooth enough.
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It would be too difficult and pointless backporting drivers, kernels, etc to an older OS designed to run the newest version. It would have absolutely no advantage. 4.4 is smooth enough.
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What you you talking about?
The OP gave you one big advantage. There are a ton of threads complaining about the 4.4 Chrome browser vs the old stock version on 4.3.
I really need Flash support for a work website, and it's enough of a problem that I may have to give up the N5.
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What you you talking about?
The OP gave you one big advantage. There are a ton of threads complaining about the 4.4 Chrome browser vs the old stock version on 4.3.
I really need Flash support for a work website, and it's enough of a problem that I may have to give up the N5.
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Why don't you just root and flash recovery to fit your needs? Giving up a device over something like that would be upsetting.
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What you you talking about?
The OP gave you one big advantage. There are a ton of threads complaining about the 4.4 Chrome browser vs the old stock version on 4.3.
I really need Flash support for a work website, and it's enough of a problem that I may have to give up the N5.
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Umm but there are ways to get the stock browser on 4.4.
Ill even attach one for you that can be installed. Won't even need to be rooted.
Possible? Sure.
Likely? Not so much unless you do it yourself.
You're going to have to convince a developer who sympathizes with you that there is enough demand for 4.3 ROM, otherwise it's a waste of his time. (As I suspect that it might be)
I have yet to find slowdowns on my N5, so I personally don't understand the aversion that some hipsters have to mobile chrome and the webview version of it just for the sake of being different.
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Umm but there are ways to get the stock browser on 4.4.
Ill even attach one for you that can be installed. Won't even need to be rooted.
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Thanks!
In some ways you can see his point. I'm not aware of a single thing that kit kat does in terms of features that I can click on that I want. I detest google now. Wouldn't touch the GEL launcher for the incredibily stupid choice of fixing the search bar on the home page all by itself. As if the other 3 ways one could initiate a search from home are not enough. Also hate the fact that I cant designate home and then cant set up my pages correctly. In other words wont use it in its current configuration. Ever. On the other hand 4.4 did take a away a few features that I did use.
In my case I'm not too worried about it, just takes a second to kill google now some of these things are already getting fixed in rom with the launcher easily changed. As soon as the better browsers get updated to work so chrome can be dropped its all good.
I can however easily see why someone would want to revert while they wait for things to get working on kit kat. I recognize many of you like it but what I like about android is making it my own and I find its functionality a bad step toward giving the ghost of Steve Jobs a blowjob. That aint my bag.
hey guys i wanted to request a lolipop rom runs on dalvik
why don't we have a port of this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2762336
From that page:
Port Features: On 4.4.4 ports only!! 5.0.1 ports are pure stock with no tweaks, other than those that you do yourself
Lollipop doesn't use Dalvik--it's ART only.
In the post it says "On 4.4.4 ports only!! 5.0.1 ports are pure stock with no tweaks, other than those that you do yourself".... They haven't magically made a lollipop ROM that uses Dalvik rather than ART
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Lollipop is ART
You want dalvik, then you will need to go back to KitKat
Is your Xposed Framework really that important? I think not.
Why would you want a new rom running on an old runtime
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Lollipop is ART
You want dalvik, then you will need to go back to KitKat
Is your Xposed Framework really that important? I think not.
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For some people it is. I for one would much rather have 4.4.4 with Xposed than Lollipop. I think Lollipop sucks, tbqh. It's buggy as hell, and visually it looks like it was designed to appeal to soccer moms and teenage girls. KitKat's performance is great on all three of my devices (2014 Moto X, N5, 2013 N7), and with Xposed it's perfect. It'll be a long time before I update to Lollipop, and it'll likely only be when I buy a new phone that ships with it.
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For some people it is. I for one would much rather have 4.4.4 with Xposed than Lollipop. I think Lollipop sucks, tbqh. It's buggy as hell, and visually it looks like it was designed to appeal to soccer moms and teenage girls. KitKat's performance is great on all three of my devices (2014 Moto X, N5, 2013 N7), and with Xposed it's perfect. It'll be a long time before I update to Lollipop, and it'll likely only be when I buy a new phone that ships with it.
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I thought the same way.
But after a week of using Lolli i didn't even care about Xposed anymore.
Sure, there are times i will get a snapchat pic or vid i wish was automatically saved, but oh well...
And i noticed a HUGE performance jump going to ART.
Apps that would hang on loading in KK, boot up with no issues in ART.
pr0ndigy said:
I thought the same way.
But after a week of using Lolli i didn't even care about Xposed anymore.
Sure, there are times i will get a snapchat pic or vid i wish was automatically saved, but oh well...
And i noticed a HUGE performance jump going to ART.
Apps that would hang on loading in KK, boot up with no issues in ART.
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I have a lollipop ROM as a secondary on my N5 so I've used it quite a bit. I haven't noticed any huge performance jump that is compelling me to switch. Everything is already fast as hell on KitKat, so some apps opening 10 milliseconds faster really isn't anything to write home about.
pr0ndigy said:
I thought the same way.
But after a week of using Lolli i didn't even care about Xposed anymore.
Sure, there are times i will get a snapchat pic or vid i wish was automatically saved, but oh well...
And i noticed a HUGE performance jump going to ART.
Apps that would hang on loading in KK, boot up with no issues in ART.
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I have a lollipop ROM as a secondary on my N5 so I've used it quite a bit. I haven't noticed any huge performance jump that is compelling me to switch. Everything is already fast as hell on KitKat, so some apps opening 10 milliseconds faster really isn't anything to write home about.
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even i can feel some performance improvement on lollipop ( yah it has some minor bugs but which new rom don't ? and they will be fixed.. i'm sure when n5 shipped with KK it also has some minor bugs otherwise they don't need to go 4.4.2 to 4.4.4 )
now it's upon personal like that you want KK or Lollipop.
anyway this discussion in this thread is completely off-topic...answer of OP was given in 2nd post itself so it's not needed to go delvik-ART-Xposed controversy
No improvement on preformance it lags "lrx22c"
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I've been running Android 5.1.1 for a few weeks now and although it's fast and snappy,it does have it's share of "odd quirks".
The built in security for one seems to be a bit of a pain in the rear ..... crash and restart.
Any thoughts or observations to share?
Can you give some input regarding the UI on 5.1.1? Is it equivalent to 5.1.1 on the Note 5?
y2jdmbfan said:
Can you give some input regarding the UI on 5.1.1? Is it equivalent to 5.1.1 on the Note 5?
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I *thought* I already posted back on this thread...my apologies.
To answer your question,I haven't seen the Note 5 yet so I can't comment on that.
One thing I can say is the built in security protocols of my 5.1.1 are a big pain in the butt.
I can't wait to root this thing and clean house!
I doubt Samsung cared enough to change the UI lol. Samsung wants to sell new phones, they are not interested in you keeping the phone you bought last year. I think I've heard that the 5.1 upgrade is just like the 5.0 update. Its mainly an Android thing not a Touchwiz thing. Touchwiz never gets updates except when a new phone is being released
To be honest,the interface is different than 4.4.4 somewhat .... especially the notification drop down.
They also seem to have a better handle on disabling app's than 4.4.4 had.
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To be honest,the interface is different than 4.4.4 somewhat .... especially the notification drop down.
They also seem to have a better handle on disabling app's than 4.4.4 had.
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Again its just Android redesign not TW. Touchwiz doesnt change for any phone. Samsung has been doing this for years now
Looks like are carriers are going to get it.
http://www.vcpost.com/articles/9055...-mobile-carriers-prepping-6-0-marshmallow.htm
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Looks like are carriers are going to get it.
http://www.vcpost.com/articles/9055...-mobile-carriers-prepping-6-0-marshmallow.htm
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Now we just wait to see how long it will take AT&T to actually release the update.
aybarrap1 said:
Now we just wait to see how long it will take AT&T to actually release the update.
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More than likely we will be getting the update in about 3-6 months.
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More than likely we will be getting the update in about 3-6 months.
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NOOOO, I want it now!!! (Been hangin around my kids too long...)
That said, Is there a stable 6.0.1 ATT G3 ROM out there? STABLE being the key word.
I really want to be running MM, I have heard great things about it's smoothness and DOZE feature to extend battery life.
If there is a stable ROM, I'll root and install.
jivenene said:
NOOOO, I want it now!!! (Been hangin around my kids too long...)
That said, Is there a stable 6.0.1 ATT G3 ROM out there? STABLE being the key word.
I really want to be running MM, I have heard great things about it's smoothness and DOZE feature to extend battery life.
If there is a stable ROM, I'll root and install.
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Nothing STABLE yet. That said, I've been running CM13 for over a month and I love it. Builds are unofficial but the latest builds in the dev forum are really fast, stable and have GPS working (for the first time ever for me, even with KK and LL). I run it with the 777 kernel and it's perfect for me.
jivenene said:
NOOOO, I want it now!!! (Been hangin around my kids too long...)
That said, Is there a stable 6.0.1 ATT G3 ROM out there? STABLE being the key word.
I really want to be running MM, I have heard great things about it's smoothness and DOZE feature to extend battery life.
If there is a stable ROM, I'll root and install.
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Resurrection Remix is stable and I like it a lot.
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Resurrection Remix is stable and I like it a lot.
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Is Android 6.0?
josemiliano said:
Is Android 6.0?
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yep. http://oadam11.com/LG_G3/
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Nothing STABLE yet. That said, I've been running CM13 for over a month and I love it. Builds are unofficial but the latest builds in the dev forum are really fast, stable and have GPS working (for the first time ever for me, even with KK and LL). I run it with the 777 kernel and it's perfect for me.
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Thanks for the feedback. I saw also (in subsequent posts) that the RR MM 6.0 ROM is also stable. I have never run CM before, so can anyone enlighten me so I don't have to drop 8 hours testing out both ROMs.... my questions are:
1) Which has a better camera experience? CM or RR? Stable, no FC.
2) which is more stable with less problems (ie, GPS, BT, no SD card, no 4G data, etc...)
3) which has better battery life?
4) Do either support device encryption? That was one of the major improvements in MM that no one seems to be talking about.
Thanks alot for the replies, and thanks to the developers for creating these, you guys and gals are awesome!
No camera app will work well other than stock as proprietary drivers and algorithms are used.
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No camera app will work well other than stock as proprietary drivers and algorithms are used.
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Do I have to use an aftermarket camera app like I did on SlimROMs? I used Open Camera. While it worked, it was sssslllloooowwww and sometimes caused the camera to crash, at which point I would have to pull the battery for it to work again (really annoying when you are trying to get Kindergarten graduation pics of your son...). I uninstalled it and reinstalled it, and those problems went away though. Android is so weird...
For this reason, I will never ever to get inside a google autonomous car. I'm gonna be the last old timer left, and everyone will ridicule me. "In my day, WE drove! And we liked it! We loved it!"
No aftermarket app will change the fact that you will be missing the LG firmware.
Personally I love the way LG has the camera setup where I can just tap the screen it focuses then snaps it. No LG camera on 3rd party rom so I went back to stock. If your phone is as important to you as you claim given all the questions you asked it would be worth your while to wait for the official update as I will. Let the rest test and be dissatisfied with the problems and lack of features. Note that I haven't had a crash or freeze since I got away from cm12
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Personally I love the way LG has the camera setup where I can just tap the screen it focuses then snaps it. No LG camera on 3rd party rom so I went back to stock. If your phone is as important to you as you claim given all the questions you asked it would be worth your while to wait for the official update as I will. Let the rest test and be dissatisfied with the problems and lack of features. Note that I haven't had a crash or freeze since I got away from cm12
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Point taken, but I don't think I'll get the official OTA MM anyway because I am not on ATT, but on Cricket. Or would I just download from XDA and flash it myself?
Did you still root and debloat the stock ROM? Or just leave it completely stock?
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Point taken, but I don't think I'll get the official OTA MM anyway because I am not on ATT, but on Cricket. Or would I just download from XDA and flash it myself?
Did you still root and debloat the stock ROM? Or just leave it completely stock?
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After trying many a many roms here for both d851 and d850 (My son and mine), I would definitely stick with stock if you take pics. The d851 is actually in better shape (mm wise) as it has a supported CM13, but the camera is poor. As for cricket- my understanding is that some phones get att updates, and some don't. If an update doesn't happen after you know mm has been released, you can wait a week or two and it very well may be posted here to flash- or you can pick up a att go phone sim for a couple of bucks and flash, then drop the cricket sim back in.
And yes you can root & debloat, but I haven't seen a prepackaged 20g (that has the stagefright patch) debloated yet. I just use super uninstaller app from the play store, which requires root.
here I am just stock with root & recovery (if needed) haven't found a need to use either yet but I like having the option available.
I have all the stock crummy at&t apps disabled because actually "removing" them requires quite a bit of time that I haven't yet found.
If I install cm13 or RR do I lose the LG IR remote?
I don't think there is a custom IR remote apk for MM yet like there is for lollipop.
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I stick to stock based ROMs because of the camera problems on AOSP ROMs. I don't use my camera often, but when I do I want it to work well. I will wait for 6 to be released.
Sent from my awesome phone.
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I stick to stock based ROMs because of the camera problems on AOSP ROMs. I don't use my camera often, but when I do I want it to work well. I will wait for 6 to be released.
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What is a good stock ROM you would recommend?
Hello,
is it possible to have a working KitKat rom on S7\S7Edge ?
Marshmallow is such a pain with some apps, and still so many bugs to me.
Don't kill me, I'm just asking
Chooo
Ninja_Gundam said:
Hello,
is it possible to have a working KitKat rom on S7\S7Edge ?
Marshmallow is such a pain with some apps, and still so many bugs to me.
Don't kill me, I'm just asking
Chooo
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But why would you even want to install old software on a new phone? Just buy a Samsung Galaxy s4 for that.
TheSproker said:
But why would you even want to install old software on a new phone? Just buy a Samsung Galaxy s4 for that.
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I know someone will ask.....
i was happy on my S5, but S7 take photo far better and more faster for example.. and more powerfull btw ecc.ecc.
but kitkat is fully supported and customized, like lbe , xposed, led notif, fingerprints,greenify,amplify, etc. on this 6.0.1 (for now) all those things do not works or works not well.
Im just asking as temporaly measure till 6.0.1 will be perfect..or 7 at this point.,
kitkat was the last stable and working for me of the android family, lollipop was a mess..marshmallow is a bit better but not perfect yet.
Chooo
Ninja_Gundam said:
I know someone will ask.....
i was happy on my S5, but S7 take photo far better and more faster for example.. and more powerfull btw ecc.ecc.
but kitkat is fully supported and customized, like lbe , xposed, led notif, fingerprints,greenify,amplify, etc. on this 6.0.1 (for now) all those things do not works or works not well.
Im just asking as temporaly measure till 6.0.1 will be perfect..or 7 at this point.,
kitkat was the last stable and working for me of the android family, lollipop was a mess..marshmallow is a bit better but not perfect yet.
Chooo
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Well, then you will have to kindly ask a developer to do this, if he or she is even willing to sacrifice their free time to this. So, unless a dev doesn't agree to build such rom, it is not going to happen, which will most likely be the case.
I too would like this, for two reasons in particular. I find the "old" jellybean GUI much more comfortable and user friendly to use, and with more possibilities for tweaking and modifications (currently to this date). The second reason, after installing Marshmallow on my old S4 it became much slower and "heavy" in every interactive way. Had to stay on kitkat. I would image the same way around with the S7, in that it would be much faster and more editable with an older Android version.
See , im not that insane ^__^; .. Kitkat with Amoled expecially was good all in dark black way... with LP and MM it's just a mess of light everywhere; ok dark themes are avaible and we can use xposed to change a lot.. but its not the same thing. Plus some apps starting to refuse to work if root\xposed found like snapchat :| Im fighting with Doze\Led blinking ecc for example.. and notification... better than LP but still a mess compared to KK. And i love to have LBE still not working on MM SD card still not avaible on all apps, u have to works a lot to flash so many zip from recovery ecc....Plus right, KK on this hardware will rocks even downclocking heavly and battery will last so longer.
Chooo
This will not happen.
KitKat does not have all the APIs to take full advantage and optimizations for 64bit HW. Oh and also the bootloader and boot images changed a lot since 4.4. It is better to give up your hopes.
I stumbled accross your thread here doing some searching.
I am interested in buying the S7 Edge.
However, I really hate Lollipop and MM. I hate touchwiz, knox bootloader, even selinux.
If I could run kitkat 4.4.2 on the S7 edge, I would buy one.
Sticking with the oppo find 7 running modified color os kitkat 4.4.2 and Xposed framework.. May even buy another one once I wear this one out.