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Hi guys, there's a lot of 4.2 ROMs floating around the forum at the moment and I've tried them all. Unfortunately, I feel like I can never get the same level of buttery smoothness as I have in 4.1.2. Even the AOSP 4.2 ROM in the forum doesn't give me the same level of user experience as in the vanilla 4.1.2 AOSP ROM I'm using now. And I'm not talking about features or bugs, I'm talking about the overall experience of using it, like browsing, scrolling through lists like in Instagram or xda, dropped frames, etc.
Just to be clear, I'm not trolling. I just wanted to know if I'm really the only one who feels that unlike in previous versions, 4.2.1 is truly not made for the Nexus S. Let me know what you think below.
Cheers!
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Somewhat I do agree BUT we can bring all that smoothness back pretty much easily
DJBhardwaj said:
Somewhat I do agree BUT we can bring all that smoothness back pretty much easily
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Can you site an example on how we can do that? I've tried all of the currently available 4.2 ROMs and they just feel clunky compared to 4.1.2. Even the recent apps list appear faster and with less stutter in 4.1.2.
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Once we are done with solving all the bugs, we can work on patches to remove lags.
Probably because 4.2 is just a port.
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apatal said:
Hi guys, there's a lot of 4.2 ROMs floating around the forum at the moment and I've tried them all. Unfortunately, I feel like I can never get the same level of buttery smoothness as I have in 4.1.2. Even the AOSP 4.2 ROM in the forum doesn't give me the same level of user experience as in the vanilla 4.1.2 AOSP ROM I'm using now. And I'm not talking about features or bugs, I'm talking about the overall experience of using it, like browsing, scrolling through lists like in Instagram or xda, dropped frames, etc.
Just to be clear, I'm not trolling. I just wanted to know if I'm really the only one who feels that unlike in previous versions, 4.2.1 is truly not made for the Nexus S. Let me know what you think below.
Cheers!
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4.2 is a port and way more than what Nexus S was designed to handle. Still, I found it really snappy and only sipping battery compared to 4.1 and even CM10. Only multitasking chokes it, but that can't be helped.
sumeshpremraj said:
4.2 is a port and way more than what Nexus S was designed to handle. Still, I found it really snappy and only sipping battery compared to 4.1 and even CM10. Only multitasking chokes it, but that can't be helped.
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You are really unaware of what NS can handle.
My 2 years old LG Optimus One P500; an MDPI ARMv6 arch device which comes with froyo and can only be updated to GB runs on smooth JB.
NS is way far more capable than that and in the coming future we will prove that too. :victory:
apatal said:
Hi guys, there's a lot of 4.2 ROMs floating around the forum at the moment and I've tried them all. Unfortunately, I feel like I can never get the same level of buttery smoothness as I have in 4.1.2. Even the AOSP 4.2 ROM in the forum doesn't give me the same level of user experience as in the vanilla 4.1.2 AOSP ROM I'm using now. And I'm not talking about features or bugs, I'm talking about the overall experience of using it, like browsing, scrolling through lists like in Instagram or xda, dropped frames, etc.
Just to be clear, I'm not trolling. I just wanted to know if I'm really the only one who feels that unlike in previous versions, 4.2.1 is truly not made for the Nexus S. Let me know what you think below.
Cheers!
Sent using the xda mobile app
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I was happy with JellyShot 0.8 for couple days then with Vanilla 4.1.2 which I used since release, used the same kernel. I tried couple 4.2 for the NS, but everyone felt clunky until JellyShot, I also loved the quick toggles and MMS features.
But I feel you, since 4.1.1 Google images behaved very well and smoother then AOSP compiled stuff.
apatal said:
Unfortunately, I feel like I can never get the same level of buttery smoothness as I have in 4.1.2. Even the AOSP 4.2 ROM in the forum doesn't give me the same level of user experience as in the vanilla 4.1.2 AOSP ROM I'm using now.
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Same here. I tried greenblue's AOSP 4.2.1 and like the "new features", but I always return back to the stock 4.1.2 ROM. It feels more robust somehow, even with the same kernel.
I´m running on Rasbeanjelly 4.2.1 since it comes out and i´m very satisified with it. I expected nothing more of the Nexus S but i love to hear that there will possibly be improvements in future.
For the last couple of days I've been flashing my device with various roms. 4.2.1. mostly. Everytime I flashed a new rom which was supposed to be smooth fast and super nice it turned out it was slow, sluggish, choppy and not working as a smartphone should. Crt animation is ****ty among every 4.2. Rom i tried. It's delayed, slow and not in the right pace. Lockscreen does not work properly. Scrolling through the lockscreen is laggy. Quick settings are sometimes laggy. I just hate to say it but I think 4.2.1. is really not meant for the nexus s. I just returned to vanilla rom with minimum modifications (flohimself rom) and I love what I see. Everything is fast, fluent and working properly
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Yeah. Same experience here. I guess you can't just beat the experience in using actual AOSP ROMs with all sources and proprietary binaries available. Still, appreciate the efforts of all the devs who have been trying to keep our humble device in the cutting edge... even if said edge is a bit dull at the moment.
Still I want to remain optimistic that things will only get better in the future in terms of the 4.2 ROMs.
What do you guys think? Could we achieve the same level of user experience of a 100% AOSP ROM even without Google's support?
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apatal said:
Yeah. Same experience here. I guess you can't just beat the experience in using actual AOSP ROMs with all sources and proprietary binaries available. Still, appreciate the efforts of all the devs who have been trying to keep our humble device in the cutting edge... even if said edge is a bit dull at the moment.
Still I want to remain optimistic that things will only get better in the future in terms of the 4.2 ROMs.
What do you guys think? Could we achieve the same level of user experience of a 100% AOSP ROM even without Google's support?
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I think we can :victory:
I thought that everything is possible. But the more i use my phone the more I think that the stock firmware is simply the best for it. The more new features the faster your phone will become sluggish and unbearably slow. I've been on cm10 for a while and I thought it was fast. I was wrong. I'm now typing from a vanilla rom and that's the way it should be. I just wonder how long will my phone be so fast and snappy. Maybe after couple of days it will become as slow as the other roms leaving me with the opininion that android is simply crap? what do you think?
thanks to all dev for 4.2.1 rom !!!
You all should use a HTC Hero for a week and you'd realize that your phone runs great. If your phone runs so poorly on 4.0+ it's probably you because I see enough people say their phone flies. 4.2 is a bit clunky, but it's also a port. A port takes time to get the kinks out. I thought 4.2 actually ran fine. But I also had a click and wait hero and Windows Mobile phones before this. The lock screen is the main fail on it for a variety of reasons. Some apps are definitely not optimized for 4.2 as well. Beyond that it seems fine. It will get better. I've already had to suffer through this on so many phones, just be patient.
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apatal said:
Yeah. Same experience here. I guess you can't just beat the experience in using actual AOSP ROMs with all sources and proprietary binaries available. Still, appreciate the efforts of all the devs who have been trying to keep our humble device in the cutting edge... even if said edge is a bit dull at the moment.
Still I want to remain optimistic that things will only get better in the future in terms of the 4.2 ROMs.
What do you guys think? Could we achieve the same level of user experience of a 100% AOSP ROM even without Google's support?
Sent using the xda mobile app
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Unfortunately using actual AOSP ROMs will always be better, so everything based on 4.2 will always be less than 4.1.2. I am using the great 4.2.1 ROMs here and enjoying them but they are less than using actual AOSP ROMs.
A reality we have to accept since our beloved NS has been dropped by Google...
dpeeps74 said:
You all should use a HTC Hero for a week and you'd realize that your phone runs great. If your phone runs so poorly on 4.0+ it's probably you because I see enough people say their phone flies. 4.2 is a bit clunky, but it's also a port. A port takes time to get the kinks out. I thought 4.2 actually ran fine. But I also had a click and wait hero and Windows Mobile phones before this. The lock screen is the main fail on it for a variety of reasons. Some apps are definitely not optimized for 4.2 as well. Beyond that it seems fine. It will get better. I've already had to suffer through this on so many phones, just be patient.
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Oh don't get me wrong, I think my phone runs great, especially with the vanilla 4.1.2 AOSP ROM I'm running right now. This is also the reason why I believe my complaints with 4.2 ROMs are not because of "me", as you say. Because if I do cause the poor performance on my phone, I would experience the same issues regardless of what ROM I am using, which, as I mentioned before, is not the case. < via xda app>
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I thought that everything is possible. But the more i use my phone the more I think that the stock firmware is simply the best for it. The more new features the faster your phone will become sluggish and unbearably slow. I've been on cm10 for a while and I thought it was fast. I was wrong. I'm now typing from a vanilla rom and that's the way it should be. I just wonder how long will my phone be so fast and snappy. Maybe after couple of days it will become as slow as the other roms leaving me with the opininion that android is simply crap? what do you think?
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I think that's why we're on a nexus device, to get the pure Google experience. The only thing the nexus s needs that's not stock it's backlight notifications, and the gnex solved it with the notification led. Let's just admit that this is an old phone, and the nexus 4 is probably where we should head towards. Probably won't find anything for such a great deal for a while. It'll last us as few years for sure.
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apatal said:
Oh don't get me wrong, I think my phone runs great, especially with the vanilla 4.1.2 AOSP ROM I'm running right now. This is also the reason why I believe my complaints with 4.2 ROMs are not because of "me", as you say. Because if I do cause the poor performance on my phone, I would experience the same issues regardless of what ROM I am using, which, as I mentioned before, is not the case. < via xda app>
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It wasn't intended as a dig. There are several people though that report 4.2 running fine. This would tend to indicate that there would be something specific to what a user does that would cause the phone to run in a way that made it unbearable. Typically that will be related to some specific application(s) causing an issue due to not being updated. Most problems I saw with 4.2 were very similar to what I saw when we got ics before many apps ever updated and some never did and I'd imagine there are still people using apps that haven't been updated since gb. Definitely 4.2 is nowhere near perfect on our phones though and is running very much like a port and they clearly lagged some stuff up.
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Hello developers!
First i know how much u hate it when someone just post a new thread without checking the fourms, but I assure u that i read carefully all the related subject n still I couldn't find answers :/
I've been always an Apple person and I am really satisfied with the ease of use and performance, somehow whileI I was looking for a tablet to update my old iPad a friend of mine was able to convince me that I should get an Android, and I end up buying Asus Tf700, of course after hours n hours of reading reviews n stuff and on the paper it's waaaaaaaay better than any other tablet, even the new iPad!! But still, on the PAPER
I really disappointed with the performance and the terrible lag even with the simplest task (like scrolling down a website or pinch zoom in/out) and it keeps crashing and freezing for no reason
Everyone here recommends rooting and unlocking, and since this is my first Android Iam really confused
Root, rom,flash,kernel, unlock, OTA .. bla bla ...too much complicated info and procedures for a noob!!
I want my device to work like how they claim it should (ASUS ppl) .. very smooth with no lag or crashes .. but on the other hand i don't want to lose any of it's features (camera, GPS) .. should I update to jb? Should I stay with ICS?
N how??
Sorry for the long post!:cyclops:
dr.hawk said:
First i know how much u hate it when someone just post a new thread without checking the fourms
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Yes, especially when someone does not even read the forum rules, the moderator's sticky thread and posts a question in "Development" instead of "Q&A".
dr.hawk said:
I've been always an Apple person ...
Everyone here recommends rooting and unlocking, and since this is my first Android Iam really confused
Root, rom,flash,kernel, unlock, OTA .. bla bla ...too much complicated info and procedures for a noob!!
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Yes, you made a mistake changing to Android. It's not (yet) ready for end users, especially the TF700. Return it as long as you can and buy the new iPad.
If you are just looking for a device without lags and stutters then go for iOS.
But if you want/have to do things iOS can't do then go for Android and search for solutions for lag or live with it.
Android is sure the best smartphone os (Widgets, Launchers ,Tasker, Swype,...) but on tablets... I really don't know.
I love my Transformer but I mostly use it for surfing and gaming so maybe the iPad would have been the better choice.
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Or don't by Asus... Get a Nexus 7 or 10.That's the route he should've taken. Asus just released a bad device. To sit here and say Android isn't ready for end users is bologna..
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Yes, especially when someone does not even read the forum rules, the moderator's sticky thread and posts a question in "Development" instead of "Q&A".
Yes, you made a mistake changing to Android. It's not (yet) ready for end users, especially the TF700. Return it as long as you can and buy the new iPad.
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Thank u mr.police officer, my bad
I am not going to return it, I just want it to work probably!
floyd0815 said:
If you are just looking for a device without lags and stutters then go for iOS.
But if you want/have to do things iOS can't do then go for Android and search for solutions for lag or live with it.
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Exactly, I want solution .. there are too many rome and stuff which says choose what suits u the most, but I have no idea what are they!!
I read in the forum that flashing and unlocking JB = losing camera and GPS functions .. what should I do? *Note I am still runnig ICS
dasunsrule32 said:
Or don't by Asus... Get a Nexus 7 or 10.That's the route he should've taken. Asus just released a bad device. To sit here and say Android isn't ready for end users is bologna..
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The harm has been done my friend .. but u r right, Nexus 10 would have been a better choice though
I feel your pain. When I first moved over to an Android device, I was also confronted with similar issues. Yes, Android can be intimidating. However, once you get a handle of it, I assure you, you won't stop flashing different ROMs on a regular basis. First calm down and read through the following threads to get started:
[TOOL] TF700T ADB Tool [v4] flash recovery and more
[ROM][01/04/13]Baked Black Bean 6[JB 4.1.2]
dr.hawk said:
Thank u mr.police officer, my bad
I am not going to return it, I just want it to work probably!
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Look, to be honest, I think everyone has been frightened in the beginning with unlocking and rooting, but in the end the tf700 is a really easy device to learn it with.
There are some guides in the general section (where you should have posted this thread ) and this section here.
As far as performance, I can tell you now that there is no Rom that works better than CleanRom In heritance.
It is *very* battery friendly, is really performant (forget about iPad, after that Rom you'll have the advantages of Android sealed in a super speedy packaging)
However, if you really feel you don't want to unlock the device yet, you should indeed at least update the tablet to the latest firmware, since it has some improvements to it. (I don't know how much the improvement is on the stock rom, but Clean Rom Inheritance is based on stock and it works like a charm).
By the way, there are no custom roms for the tf700 that give up on the gps and camera features. All developers here are real pros, so don't worry
And last but not least; if you were to update to the latest firmware and feel it's too laggy, (many people have said so), you should consider unlocking your device to put CleanRom on it. It's basically stock, but much smoother, faster and has no bloatware
Good luck making your iOS friends Jelly (pun intended) of your tf700. I know I have
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dr.hawk said:
The harm has been done my friend .. but u r right, Nexus 10 would have been a better choice though
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Have you bought the keyboard dock? And I still think the tf700 is better of the two, if only because of its looks and dock
I know you are taking about tablets but the title says android...
I own a 4s and iPad 3, back in June I bought the s3 and I was really impressed with what it can do but its lag and performance made me question it the same as you, having spent £540 on a buggy feeling device.
I finally got jelly bean on it, jelly bean combined with disabling some crappy Samsung bloat made the s3 faster and smoother than any apple device out there, my iPad and iPhone both feel laggy in comparison now.
I have never routed or flagged a rom though, completely stock.
Before long you will love jelly bean
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dr.hawk said:
Exactly, I want solution .. there are too many rome and stuff which says choose what suits u the most, but I have no idea what are they!!
I read in the forum that flashing and unlocking JB = losing camera and GPS functions .. what should I do? *Note I am still runnig ICS
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I just read this post so I'll quickly reply
By rooting and unlocking you will not compromise any of the camera qualities. It still works just the way it's supposed to on CleanRom (the rom I use) and I am pretty sure the developer of CM10.1 has it running too.
This device may not be what you expect it to be out of the box, but let me tell you.. The devs we have for the tf700 are all very talented and manage to get some impressive performance squeezed out of this device without resulting in battery drain.
You really can't go wrong chosing either CM10.1 or CRomI (as we call CleanRom Inheritance)
As for the options you can choose while installing CRomI, they are mainly
- the kernel: do you want to keep everything close to stock, resulting in better battery life, and no overclocking? Or do you want a tweaked kernel (Clemsyn) which means even better performance, without taking too much of a hit on battery life. The latter is overclocked. If you still don't know what to choose: I have recently gone back to stock since it's just a tad friendlier for the battery and CRomI is smooth enough as it is
- Apps: select which apps you want preinstalled in your rom and which you don't want (little tip: always make sure the Play Store is checked: it's a vital app to install other apps with and it's a pain in the @$$ to install it from somewhere else if you want to keep it up to date
This method of building your personal rom on the spot is handy to deselect the bloatware you don't use (eg. Asus screensaver) and select the 'bloat' you like (eg. Supernote)
- Tweaks: I usually select the all, because the make the device even smoother and faster
By the way: in misc apps you'll have an app called Titanium Backup: that app keeps your data while switching Roms and is a nice way of making sure you'll keep your progress in games
I should say though: even though I've never tried Cm10.1, I am sure it's a great rom and I don't want to force you or anyone else to only look at Cromi, since CM10.1 has its own advantages
Just have a look for yourself and if you have any further questions, you now know where to post them (either Q&A for actual questions or general for remarks and findings).
The development section is used solely by developers of Roms, mods and kernels to share their creations with the world
dr.hawk said:
The harm has been done my friend .. but u r right, Nexus 10 would have been a better choice though
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Dr. Hawk, I know that reading these replies still hard for you as far as "what next" and "how". I'm sure that after you done all the steps below, you will find out the grass does look greener on the other side (IOS vs Android). With Android you could do more...a lot more compared to ipad. You just need to take ONE step at a time and within a few days you should have a smile on your face. There are plenty of people here ready to help noob(beginner) like youseft. Also I would like to mention that unlocking your device will void waranty, but in my opinion, if you don't do it, you will not happy with your device and eventually you're not going to use it, so it useless anyway. Let us know and please post update here so we can proceed accordingly. Here are the steps:
1. Unlock your device (download Asus unlock tool app and run it. This needed in order to install custom rom/kernel)
2. Flash custom recovery (there are 2 to choose from TWRP and CWM. I recommend TWRP for noob, it just easier with nice big User interface)
3. Use TWRP or CWM to flash your favorite custom rom (If you want trouble free, full stock features, CleanRom is the one to use)
That's all my friend. While you're performing these steps you're going to feel good about yourself and rewarding. When you are ready to go, just post here and we will walk you through, step by step. Once everything is done let us know if you do smile at the end and "no regred" that you picked Android and tf700. Cheers!!!!!!
I'm a flasher since I got my first android device and I have to say I don't want to have an iOS device because of it's performance! If you have a good ROM (and on my TF300T GPU/CPU OC a bit) you will get the same system performance and way more cusomization options - only problem for me is that a friend from my class has an iPad and uses it for school - there I just see the disadvantage of Android Tablets - except system apps you just don't have many apps for productive work that are optimized for tablets - including Dropbox(!!) that are way better optimized on iOS...
But I think in 1 or maybe 2 years it will be like with phones that Open Source (Android and maybe then also Ubuntu if they take the step for tabs too) will be sold more than iPads and with this the apps will also get optimized better :good:
atm I can just cry because of a friend made an own app for iOS to edit his scaeed books etc. and I can just open them with a non-optimized Adobe PDF Reader
so if you want now Custom ROM too, have a look at this guide and follow the steps unlock your bootloader, Flash recovery (I recommend TWRP!) and then go to the ROM you want (I recommend stock based: Clean ROM or AOSP based which means more customization options: Baked Blackbean) and install it with the installation instructions there - if you then still have questions ask in Q&A section because here it is only development section
dr.hawk said:
Hello developers!
First i know how much u hate it when someone just post a new thread without checking the fourms, but I assure u that i read carefully all the related subject n still I couldn't find answers :/
I've been always an Apple person and I am really satisfied with the ease of use and performance, somehow whileI I was looking for a tablet to update my old iPad a friend of mine was able to convince me that I should get an Android, and I end up buying Asus Tf700, of course after hours n hours of reading reviews n stuff and on the paper it's waaaaaaaay better than any other tablet, even the new iPad!! But still, on the PAPER
I really disappointed with the performance and the terrible lag even with the simplest task (like scrolling down a website or pinch zoom in/out) and it keeps crashing and freezing for no reason
Everyone here recommends rooting and unlocking, and since this is my first Android I am really confused
Root, rom, flash, kernel, unlock, OTA .. bla bla ...too much complicated info and procedures for a noob!!
I want my device to work like how they claim it should (ASUS ppl) .. very smooth with no lag or crashes .. but on the other hand i don't want to lose any of it's features (camera, GPS) .. should I update to jb? Should I stay with ICS?
N how??
Sorry for the long post!:cyclops:
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What I take from your displeasure is the recurring "Android is open source for the customizer and this I don't want."
So like the previous comments I would vote for a return to iOS.
iDevices are very well designed and usable.
So if your user experience has been less than pleasing with Android I wouldn't stick with it.
iOS devices are made for those who would like ease of use and having everything done automatically for them, and don't want to bother with things like settings and customisation and freedom of decision. If you're used to having everything done for you, stick with it. Changing to a system that requires you to manually do things for yourself when you don't want to is not going to make you very happy.
Apple is Use, don't Think.
Android is Think, don't just Use.
If you're used to the ease and smoothness of iOS, and were perfectly happy with the system, you're not going to like Android. Because Android isn't meant as an end-user OS.
Now, regarding flashing. I'm not going to try it on my tablet at all until the warranty has passed. The store I bought it from is not exactly know for its excellent customer service, and it updated to .30 before I heard about backing it up.
Is there a solution? Yes, get an iPad. The TF700 has some serious I/O issues which cause lag, but even if you're using the best of the best Android tab (whichever one that may be) you're still going to experience crashes, simply because of the customisation options. That's why iOS 'never' (ahem, hand me one, it'll crash.) crashes, you can't customized so there's no conflicts.
Don't get me wrong, I have an iPod 5th gen and love it (if Apple's warranty wasn't so horrendous...), and as a designer I appreciate the marketing and design behind iOS, but as a user I want to make my own choices, and I absolutely detest anything that goes automatic or makes its decisions for me.
That's not strictly true with newer devices.
Both my iPad 3 and iPhone get more app crashes and ui/keyboard lags than my stock int galaxy s3, which performs faster and smoother with everything except the dialer. Since using the s3the iOS screen doesn't seem as smooth as it used to, very slightly choppy moving between 2 app pages.
I use Nova launcher and it is perfectly smooth, fast and since the upgrades to jb 4.1.1 and 4.1.2 not a single crash or FCC, though on ICS there were many.
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dr.hawk said:
The harm has been done my friend .. but u r right, Nexus 10 would have been a better choice though
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+1 on nexus 10. I have both and even with custom rom the tf700 is not as smooth as the n10. No tweaking necessary. How come you can't return it?
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adelancker said:
Have you bought the keyboard dock? And I still think the tf700 is better of the two, if only because of its looks and dock
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first, thank u man! I decided to unlock and root my device!
I haven't bought the dock, maybe next step
These are really useful information, I decided to unlock, update to JB and to root .. :highfive:
I am going to start tonight, right after gym!
special thanks to:
-angel*
buhohitr
adelancker
cheers!! :highfive:
dr.hawk said:
These are really useful information, I decided to unlock, update to JB and to root .. :highfive:
I am going to start tonight, right after gym!
special thanks to:
-angel*
buhohitr
adelancker
cheers!! :highfive:
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Thats great news!
Don't hesitate to ask explanation when you don't get a step in the walktrhoughs.
They are usually written by people who are experienced using Android for people who are somewhat experienced as well So for a complete newcomer to the Android platform, I can imagine you'll ask yourself some quesitons later
maybe....
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/5034...veals-android-4-kitkat-os-11.htm#.UicpuH-I68A
here's a quote from the article:
Android 4.4 KitKat Features
Google hasn't revealed any features yet of the upcoming Android 4.4 KitKat but instead, the company said: "our goal with Android KitKat to make an amazing Android experience available for everybody."
With this statement from Google, it is expected that KitKat will become accessible to Android-running devices with lower RAM such as 512MB and older Android version such as 2.3 Gingerbread. This optimisation has been rumoured to be included in Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie.
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What...
http://signatures.mobile-overload.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/sig-cm-5.png
I would not hold my breath.
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lol no. Unless if it was created by an awesome person here, but there's no point in that. This phone is long dead, earlier this week I finally moved on, and oh my gosh, its been great having a Nexus 4 over this phone that was out-dated before it was even released back in Spring 2011.
Nope
You'll probably never see a KitKat version on the Charge. The main reason is the same that you never saw ICS or JB on the Charge. The code for the radios was never released. I've tried JB on the Charge, it runs well; however the camera and data don't work. Also, while I still use the Charge as my primary phone, there's not many of us left.
ICS and all versions of JB work fine on this phone already... we are just missing the radios.
I doubt anyone cares about this phone anymore anyways...
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You'll probably never see a KitKat version on the Charge. The main reason is the same that you never saw ICS or JB on the Charge. The code for the radios was never released. I've tried JB on the Charge, it runs well; however the camera and data don't work. Also, while I still use the Charge as my primary phone, there's not many of us left.
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I'm inclined to agree, though it would be awesome to be proven wrong!
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ICS and all versions of JB work fine on this phone already... we are just missing the radios.
I doubt anyone cares about this phone anymore anyways...
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Yeah not many folks left that's for sure... still a few that care though
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I'm inclined to agree, though it would be awesome to be proven wrong!
Yeah not many folks left that's for sure... still a few that care though
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I agree with both assessments. Thanks for all the work you've done on Tweaked, Dwith. My wife and I love it on our charges.
P.S. One problem I had with Tweaked Lite, when I installed it, it didn't install file manager(I think that's what it's called on stock) and when I went to select a sound(not ringtone) for a ringtone it would show and error. I went to tweaktools and installed the file manager and it works fine. Not sure why it wouldn't work with my other file management programs.
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I agree with both assessments. Thanks for all the work you've done on Tweaked, Dwith. My wife and I love it on our charges.
P.S. One problem I had with Tweaked Lite, when I installed it, it didn't install file manager(I think that's what it's called on stock) and when I went to select a sound(not ringtone) for a ringtone it would show and error. I went to tweaktools and installed the file manager and it works fine. Not sure why it wouldn't work with my other file management programs.
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Yeah I am not a fan of MyFiles, and for better or worse the call to that for ringtone selecting is hardcoded... at least tweaktools brings it back quick enough - forgot about that tbh, sorry for the troubles!
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Yeah I am not a fan of MyFiles, and for better or worse the call to that for ringtone selecting is hardcoded... at least tweaktools brings it back quick enough - forgot about that tbh, sorry for the troubles!
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I agree with your take on MyFiles, one of the first thing I did was replace it with something else(currently FX File Manager). I wasn't a big deal, I had planed on copying my few ringtones to system anyway.
while I agree that the we are more likely to see Republicans and Democrats agree on something, would still be interesting to see if this holds true. I really would not be surprised though, if older devices do get upgraded to the latest OS - that could mean larger revenues for Google. more folks would be able to use their apps, services, etc. without having to get a new device.
however, after then, they could see how slow their device is, and then they decide to upgrade. but still, worth keeping an eye on.
Google and Verizon both agreeing to do this? Hell will freeze over first.
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From my understanding of several stories posted from Android sites since KitKat was announced, It sounds like either Google is going to update phones to KitKat silently like they have been doing everything else without the help of Samsung or Verizon or perhaps we just get these features without ever actually upgrading to KitKat
Hangouts is supposed to be replacing the stock Messaging app-If Google can do that then why would they need anything from Samsung/Verizon??
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...msmms-integration-video-sharing-capabilities/
http://mobilesyrup.com/2013/10/08/h...uts-will-almost-certainly-integrate-with-sms/
4.4 "Google Experience" Launcher Launcher could be released from the Play Store (which would replace touchwiz??)
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...re-some-things-we-are-expecting-to-see-in-it/
The truth of the matter is this. The Motorola Droid 1, a phone I bought as a media/mp3 player for 50 bucks and fixed up, is working better than a phone I paid 300 new and had nightlies and better support. I loved my charge, the battery sucked. And the phone I use now is the Verizon note 2 and sprint note 3 as a business phone since I now work for the sprint corporation. Do I miss my charge? Yes. Do I wish it had some cyanogenmod support being a phone 1 1/2 years newer than the droid 1? yes. As soon as I can learn how to make a rom for the charge, I plan to make an ics or jb nightly that will support a wifi only support on this relic. It was my first 4g phone. I have it in my desk and feel sad since it helped me achieve so much.
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The truth of the matter is this. The Motorola Droid 1, a phone I bought as a media/mp3 player for 50 bucks and fixed up, is working better than a phone I paid 300 new and had nightlies and better support. I loved my charge, the battery sucked. And the phone I use now is the Verizon note 2 and sprint note 3 as a business phone since I now work for the sprint corporation. Do I miss my charge? Yes. Do I wish it had some cyanogenmod support being a phone 1 1/2 years newer than the droid 1? yes. As soon as I can learn how to make a rom for the charge, I plan to make an ics or jb nightly that will support a wifi only support on this relic. It was my first 4g phone. I have it in my desk and feel sad since it helped me achieve so much.
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That's exactly what I was thinking - even if the radios weren't released, having the phone to use over wifi would be good enough for me. I guess that's the question - would it be possible to work up a kitkat ROM that was just purely wifi?
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That's exactly what I was thinking - even if the radios weren't released, having the phone to use over wifi would be good enough for me. I guess that's the question - would it be possible to work up a kitkat ROM that was just purely wifi?
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I've seen an ics rom that was floating around, but support for this phone was always limited. It came and went faster than any other phone I saw. Hell, the bionic I owned had support and nightlies all the way up to the day I got the note 2. I digress. I am looking into it as soon as I can get a linux kitchen set up.
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I've seen an ics rom that was floating around, but support for this phone was always limited. It came and went faster than any other phone I saw. Hell, the bionic I owned had support and nightlies all the way up to the day I got the note 2. I digress. I am looking into it as soon as I can get a linux kitchen set up.
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I am learning how to build for android. Starting with the fascinate since there is a lot of support so I can gain familiarity and then I'm going to do a build for the charge. I intend to only use it as a media device. I can't promise or guarantee anything but, I will try my best to deliver a bootable kitkat rom. This is all pretty difficult. We shall see what happens.
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I am learning how to build for android. Starting with the fascinate since there is a lot of support so I can gain familiarity and then I'm going to do a build for the charge. I intend to only use it as a media device. I can't promise or guarantee anything but, I will try my best to deliver a bootable kitkat rom. This is all pretty difficult. We shall see what happens.
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I have a Fascinate as well, but haven't installed any of the KK offerings for it yet. I did notice that when updating the Fascinate to KK you have to flash a 4.1 or 4.2 rom first, to get the file system setup, right? Then flash the 4.4 rom. Would the steps be the same for the Charge?
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I have a Fascinate as well, but haven't installed any of the KK offerings for it yet. I did notice that when updating the Fascinate to KK you have to flash a 4.1 or 4.2 rom first, to get the file system setup, right? Then flash the 4.4 rom. Would the steps be the same for the Charge?
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AFAIK you shouldn't have to flash any rom first.. I could be wrong. I don't keep up with all the fascinate development. I did flash a 4.4 rom in the past from cm10.1.
I have a build enviroment set up and I am running into problems building cm11 for the fascinate. I think by the errors that I need to increase the system partition. Because the build always fails at making the system.img. The build guides make it seem like you should run into no errors at all.
I'll start building for the charge soon. I'm too much of a noob to actually develop for it right now, but I think I can atleast boot it once I figure out how to build it.
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AFAIK you shouldn't have to flash any rom first.. I could be wrong. I don't keep up with all the fascinate development. I did flash a 4.4 rom in the past from cm10.1.
I have a build enviroment set up and I am running into problems building cm11 for the fascinate. I think by the errors that I need to increase the system partition. Because the build always fails at making the system.img. The build guides make it seem like you should run into no errors at all.
I'll start building for the charge soon. I'm too much of a noob to actually develop for it right now, but I think I can atleast boot it once I figure out how to build it.
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not sure if I mentioned this earlier, but it could be the fact that the charge is based on RFS system (GB 2.3). I believe android went EXT4 with ICS and higher. there are some kernels that can convert the Charge to EXT4 - so not sure if that would help ya.
Dear developers,
I've tested some KitKat ROMs in my Desire S by now. Unfortunately, for all performance is an issue. When using any browser (stock/Dolphin/Chrome) the whole system freezes from time to time and also for example GoogleMaps is really slow and laggy. I did a full wipe every time.
I'm wondering why this is the case... Is the CPU of the Desire S simply to old/slow for current apps like GoogleMaps or browsers? But why was it no problem on the original gingerbread ROMs than? Neither GoogleMaps nor the browsers do more in my opinion. GoogleMaps now even has less features than back then. Or is it because 768MB RAM is not enough for current ROMs? But as I see it, some low-end devices today even feature only 512MB.
I have used my Desire S since 2011 and I really would like to go on using it, but when I see how fast and smooth everything can run on a OnePlus One for example, and remembering that it used to run similarly fast on the Gingerbread-Desire, it can be really annoying from time to time.
please have in mind we live in 2015 now [emoji12]
CM12.1 is super fast and also very stable.
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please have in mind we live in 2015 now [emoji12]
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I do. If you'd read carefully, you would've recognised that I was asking what is limiting the phone. If you do not have an answer for this, there's no need for posting.
@vojtah1: thanks, I'll give it a try. I didn't install it yet as people wrote it would be laggy as well. Would you say it was faster than 4.4.4?
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I do. If you'd read carefully, you would've recognised that I was asking what is limiting the phone. If you do not have an answer for this, there's no need for posting.
@vojtah1: thanks, I'll give it a try. I didn't install it yet as people wrote it would be laggy as well. Would you say it was faster than 4.4.4?
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way faster
OJK said:
I do. If you'd read carefully, you would've recognised that I was asking what is limiting the phone. If you do not have an answer for this, there's no need for posting.
@vojtah1: thanks, I'll give it a try. I didn't install it yet as people wrote it would be laggy as well. Would you say it was faster than 4.4.4?
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Why so serious mate, chill. I have read the post carefully and my raction is caused by your thoughts. Even ICS was heavier than GB what about KitKat or Lollipop. I am sure that you will not be happy with a low RAM Device running 4.4.4 even if it a 2014 make as we all was pleased with Saga once 4 years ago. The mentioned OnePlusOne does not fit in the low end device category at all.
BTW I am on 4.4.4 for a couple of months now. I have no performance issues with it however it is very sripped down variant with many services disabled and apps removed but this is fine for my requiremnts. The CPU is running with the default settings but is overclocked to 1.4 GHz. Hope this helps.
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Hum. I gave it a try but unfortunately the dialer app is tremendously slow. If I have an incoming call, it takes at least 5s or so until the screen lits up and I can answer the call. The other day, the dealer somehow froze and I was only able to place my call after waiting some minutes for the device to settle and reload. This is simply the complete opposite from "it just works".
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BTW I am on 4.4.4 for a couple of months now. I have no performance issues with it however it is very sripped down variant with many services disabled and apps removed but this is fine for my requiremnts. The CPU is running with the default settings but is overclocked to 1.4 GHz. Hope this helps.
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What ROM are you using specifically? And what did you disable/stripped down in particular? Thank you for sharing...
OJK said:
What ROM are you using specifically? And what did you disable/stripped down in particular? Thank you for sharing...
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My ROM is REFLEX BOW, version GR0UND Zer0 (#1.02), build 18th Feb 2015
I am using the Gapps and the BloatWare removal Script from this thread
I have also completely disabled Location and Google Play Services (more here), turn on mobile data only when I need it, keep it on 2G most of the time.
The apps I use mostly are Exchange e-mail, Calendar and Google Chrome. So I consider this as a very basic use. No multimedia, no games, no social networks. However as I have mentioned already this completely suits my needs. If you like this set-up feel free to try it and share your thoughts. Otherwise it may be a time for upgrade (I think it came for me but I have a hard time to find something that has the future-proof potential of the Desire S. Probably will wait for several months to see what OnePlusTwo, next Nexus or the Motorola flagship will look like)
Regards,
Stefan
P.S.: I can see tha tyou have posted in the Desire XS version 1.1 thread - I can highly recommend this ROM or SVHD if you like to have some nice tweaks. I have used them for a really long period of time before going for KK and in terms of stability and performance I believe you will find exactly what are you looking for.
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P.S.: I can see tha tyou have posted in the Desire XS version 1.1 thread - I can highly recommend this ROM or SVHD if you like to have some nice tweaks. I have used them for a really long period of time before going for KK and in terms of stability and performance I believe you will find exactly what are you looking for.
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I'm using the Desire XS v1.1 now since a week or so and (for me) it is the best ROM I ever had on the Desire S. Faster than any KK or Lollipop ROM I tested and perfectly stable.
I'm usually first in line to update firmware, but when Lollipop first launched I decided to wait until a stable custom ROM was released, and in retrospect, I'm glad I did because from what I've seen and heard, Lollipop has been a big bust.
Now I am getting a little antsy to update, but reading about the 5.1.1 gives me no confidence. Apparently the Nexus 5 still suffers from laggy performance, battery drain, and other performance issues? Can anyone attest to this? Should I just stay with KK? Are the custom ROM's any better or do they suffer from the same issues as stock ROM? I'm really disappointed with Google on this. They came out touting this and that about Lollipop, and it seems they've fallen flat on all those promises.
Stay with KitKat. 5.1.1 fixed/improved the memleak, that's it. It's still not as fast as 4.4.4. There are also issues with flashlight, camera, bounce scrolling, etc.
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Apparently the Nexus 5 still suffers from laggy performance, battery drain, and other performance issues?
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It's impossible to generalise this statement because our usage and setup is all different.
You also have to remember that the internet is for complaining, and you won't hear about or read equivalent posts with little or no issues...
My view: take a nandroid backup of your current setup. Full wipe and flash one of the latest ROMs and test for yourself.
If you discover any of these issues, then restore. If you like what you discover: win!
There is no reason to use KitKat only ( I know some guys will use Xposed as a reason ).
Lollipop has never been terrible, laggy or buggy as hell. I know that some guys have complained but some users don´t know how to handle a device.
They install every App available ( no matter if they need it or not ), collect every game ( no matter if some of these games are considered to be Malware eg. Mother of My** ).
Every system might be throttled down with 500+ Apps active and using their push notifications like there´s no tomorrow.
I never ever had any trouble with Lollipop and would never ever want to move back for good to KitKat only.
I use KitKat 4.4.4 and Lollipop 5.1.1 on my Nexus 7 ( 2013 ) with Multirom but use Lollipop most the time. KitKat is just for testing purposes only if some App I really want to use, would fail to start on Lollipop.
You could try the same and use Multirom for Nexus 5. This way you can use both OS and sooner or later, maybe remove Kitkat and stick to Lollipop+ only
"If it ain't broken, don't fix it ".
4.4.4 works great. Why mess with it? What's so much better with LP? Save yourself the aggravation.
My 2 cents.
Anderson2 said:
"If it ain't broken, don't fix it ".
4.4.4 works great. Why mess with it? What's so much better with LP? Save yourself the aggravation.
My 2 cents.
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Google ain't listening yo
beekay201 said:
Google ain't listening yo
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You got that right. ?
Shame on Google. But we're the customers, and the customer is always right.
Lollipop is working perfectly for me
Anderson2 said:
You got that right.
Shame on Google. But we're the customers, and the customer is always right.
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Nah, that's a myth. Always has been.
Anyways, thanks for the input everyone. I think I will try dual-booting Lollipop, or whatever we call it on Android
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Lollipop is working perfectly for me
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What do you find about it that's better than kitkat? Just want to know.
Lollipop has more eye-candy to offer while performing a lot faster. The whole OS looks more refined by now and ART is a huge step in comparison to Dalvik.
Ofc some Apps might not work on Lollipop yet but I think you would miss out a lot since Android 5.1.1 ( Stock ROM ) is the fastest update I´ve ever tried.
Just downgraded 2 of my N5's to KK.
My wife hated it and I like Xposed too much.
Now that Xposed is working in 5.1.1 I will probably upgrade and give it a try again.
I keep a 3rd N5 on Kitkat and use multiRom to experiment.
5.1.1 is fast and looks good but IMHO its not as stable as KK, at least not yet anyway, i went back to KK on sunday and it was like getting my phone back, feels more solid and battery life is much better, you very well may regret upgrading.
Lolipop for me became an excercise in searching for wakelocks and trying to diagnose leaks and what was draining the phone, with Kitkat theres no hassle, it just works by itself, the way in should.
edit: i also found the signal coverage patchy on Lolipop, phone would take ages searching for a signal if it lost it,
other complaints i had were mystery battery drains and maps stalling when driving, basic stuff really.
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There is no reason to use KitKat only ( I know some guys will use Xposed as a reason ).
Lollipop has never been terrible, laggy or buggy as hell. I know that some guys have complained but some users don´t know how to handle a device.
They install every App available ( no matter if they need it or not ), collect every game ( no matter if some of these games are considered to be Malware eg. Mother of My** ).
Every system might be throttled down with 500+ Apps active and using their push notifications like there´s no tomorrow.
I never ever had any trouble with Lollipop and would never ever want to move back for good to KitKat only.
I use KitKat 4.4.4 and Lollipop 5.1.1 on my Nexus 7 ( 2013 ) with Multirom but use Lollipop most the time. KitKat is just for testing purposes only if some App I really want to use, would fail to start on Lollipop.
You could try the same and use Multirom for Nexus 5. This way you can use both OS and sooner or later, maybe remove Kitkat and stick to Lollipop+ only
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I think this is the best answer and prospect of the whole Kitkat vs Lollipop talk. I never had any problem when i was running the latest Lollipop and custom roms. Saying that Lollipop isn't stable is just saying "you are ****" to the google developers. I mean they are the best engineering and programmers in the World.
I am really glad that i bought Nexus 5 from Samsung flagship phones because i could really dig up the community of android and indie developers providing something for the community. Hell, i even bought Galaxy Nexus after i realized Nexus line phones aren't that bad.
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What do you find about it that's better than kitkat? Just want to know.
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It feels snappier, I think the upgrade uses less resources