Database Info

Applications autorun in the background after 2.3.5 upgrade.

Hi,
I followed adixtra's tutorial and upgraded my O3D to 2.3.5 Europe open, and i must admit that this was the best and the flawless tutorial that i had ever read.
But after installing the new firmware i have noticed that many applications start by themselves in the background, I have the app manager widget running and with 2.2 it never used to report any running applications other than the ones that i manually start, but of late i can see upto 7 and sometimes 15 applications which reduce the available ram to around 40 Mb and i need to stop all of them manually.
I just wanted to check if this has to do with me flashing a unbranded firmware on an optus unlocked phone?
BTW the network reception has increased manifold and the phone by itself has improved, just that the applications autorunning is not giving me an improved battery life as gingerbread was supposed to. I still only manage to get 1 day of juice on a 2G network with minimal surfing/games and music.
Can someone suggest what might be my problem here? Also another strange thing is that when i look at the battery status in the applications--> battery use, the summary on top is garbage... even if the phone runs for 12 hrs on battery the summary shows something like 4mxxsec. but on clicking it the graph has the actual battery run time listed.
is anyone else also facing this? or i am the owner of a Unique O3D , this is not impacting any functionality though.
Thanks
Kris.

Yes, it seems like my phone also autostarts apps but i didn't notced, and i have the same problem with the battery statistics. ****, we waited for 4 months for official update and I still feel like i have installed a custom rom...
Sent from my LG-P920

Everyone have battery bug.. And bg apps also

I've got exact same problem! App manager widget and anywhere between 5-9apps running constantly and not got any increase in battery life.My O3D is a UK open one which I flashed with kdz with tutorial on here.Seriously thinking about rooting with custom Rom see if that helps with battery.
Sent from my LG-P920 using XDA App

For those worried about ram. I would assume the ram is filling up because that's how ram works in linux/android. Empty ram is wasted ram, the phone is supposed to load your most used and recent apps. When you fresh install it loads what it thinks you will be using and adjusts over time, this makes your phone actually load programs faster. Free memory doesn't speed up anything, this isn't windows. In fact if you have to constantly load apps from phone memory you are draining your battery more than if your apps were loading from ram. You want your apps to be in ram. Just because an app is loaded in ram doesn't actually mean it is running. It is sitting there idle not using any cpu at all waiting for the user to call that app up. If you just leave task managers off your phone and let android do what it is supposed to you will see much better performance over time. At first you might not see much, that's because the system hasn't learned what apps you use the most yet. Soon it will load most used apps and everything you do will be much quicker and you battery will end up lasting longer because apps are loading from ram not storage. I NEVER use task killers and I have no problems with ram at all. You are all used to the crappy way windows handles ram, this is linux it uses ram COMPLETELY different. Trust me just forget about the task killers, use something like v6supercharger or a boot.img with tweaks built in and forget about it. You will notice over time your phone will be smooth.
It isn't a bug, it is better ram management. If it is a bug then that's a surprise because it is a bug that is doing what linux is supposed to which means the bug is actually helping you.
...fighting ninjas at night, talkin' about this and that.

i'm using v6supercharged v8 with 7 option,but i can't see any different and free ram is still the same.
i saw there is a v9rc4 but i can't install it because i dont know if home il locked in or not.

Thanks For clarifying that Urabewe, was not aware of that, have removed the task manager widget, hopefully my O3D would have a good learning curve

[Q] Moto G too aggressive about freeing memory - related to swappiness setting?

I have had my Moto G LTE xt1045 since they first came out and have been very happy with it except for this issue. It is very aggressive about suspending/killing apps. You notice this when you try to switch back and forth between two apps and find that it is restarting the other app instead of resuming it. It's especially noticeable when switching between a browser and another app. Another example is that I was using navigation and tried to use the NPR app to listen to some programs, but it would only do one or the other.
I realize that the phone only has 1 GB of memory, but it seems over-aggressive at freeing memory - doesn't it? I'd like to hear feedback from others about this.
In my searches for further information, it seems that one thing that can be tuned is swappiness. On my stock phone, the swappiness is set to 60. Have people experimented with different values?
My phone is not rooted yet as I've been reasonably happy with the stock experience. But I'm willing to root if it will allow a solution to this problem.
Thanks!

yaconsult said:
I have had my Moto G LTE xt1045 since they first came out and have been very happy with it except for this issue. It is very aggressive about suspending/killing apps. You notice this when you try to switch back and forth between two apps and find that it is restarting the other app instead of resuming it. It's especially noticeable when switching between a browser and another app. Another example is that I was using navigation and tried to use the NPR app to listen to some programs, but it would only do one or the other.
I realize that the phone only has 1 GB of memory, but it seems over-aggressive at freeing memory - doesn't it? I'd like to hear feedback from others about this.
In my searches for further information, it seems that one thing that can be tuned is swappiness. On my stock phone, the swappiness is set to 60. Have people experimented with different values?
My phone is not rooted yet as I've been reasonably happy with the stock experience. But I'm willing to root if it will allow a solution to this problem.
Thanks!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I was facing the same problem, I really hated that it closed the apps so aggressively. This was one of the main reasons I rooted. I don't know about swappiness, but there is a file: sys/module/lowmemorykiller/minfree which handles when the OS will kill different types of apps. If you root and download MinFreeManager you can easily edit this file. If you want more information on this topic, just search for "minfree" here on the forums. After using this app I've been happier with how memory is handled, but of course it is still only 1GB. Also it's worth mentioning that the values in the minfree file are reverted to default on boot. There are workarounds for that, event MinFreeManager has an "Apply on boot" setting, but it doesn't work for me. However it takes like 3 taps to set the values manually.
I hope I could help you.

This sounds like just what I need! What settings have you tried? Have you decided what works best on the moto G?
Thanks!
Sent from my XT1045 using XDA Free mobile app

OK, I've been using MinFreeManager for a bit now and it has solved all my multitasking issues. I used this guide: Fine tuning the MinFree settings (improving on Android's multitasking) with the aggressive settings.

yaconsult said:
OK, I've been using MinFreeManager for a bit now and it has solved all my multitasking issues. .
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I confirm it works.

Just flashing the Franco kernel won't fix things?
Also the Android one phones with just 1gb memory performs a lot better at multitasking than G
Somebody with the skills should really look into how google is managing ram in that phone.
Seriously it multitasks like a dream.

jaspreet997 said:
Just flashing the Franco kernel won't fix things?
Also the Android one phones with just 1gb memory performs a lot better at multitasking than G
Somebody with the skills should really look into how google is managing ram in that phone.
Seriously it multitasks like a dream.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No, the kernel is not the issue. It's a config file on the phone that tells android how much memory to keep free - if you follow the link in my previous post, you can read all about it and understand the issue.
It is a phone setting that Motorola changed in 4.4.4. With default settings, you will find that apps are killed by android when you switch to another app and the first app has to be restarted from scratch when you switch back to it. MinFreeManager fixes the issue - but you have to be rooted to use it. Your Android One just has less aggressive default minfree memory settings.

yaconsult said:
No, the kernel is not the issue. It's a config file on the phone that tells android how much memory to keep free - if you follow the link in my previous post, you can read all about it and understand the issue.
It is a phone setting that Motorola changed in 4.4.4. With default settings, you will find that apps are killed by android when you switch to another app and the first app has to be restarted from scratch when you switch back to it. MinFreeManager fixes the issue - but you have to be rooted to use it. Your Android One just has less aggressive default minfree memory settings.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I see. Also one more thing I observed on Android One was that google play services was using 1/4th the ram it uses on my G . there was always 500 mb free ram

[Q] Lollipop super slow at times?

Hello all,
I have installed lollipop when it came out, I unlocked the bootloader and rooted it. Then I reinstalled a bunch of apps I use (games, apps, utilities) - all from scratch to make sure that old setting and such do not interfere.
All seems to be fine (smooth, fast) - only some apps do not seem to work - however, in some cases (when for example opening Chrome) I see huge slowdowns...
Anyone else experienced this? How do I find out what is causing it? How do I fix it?
Thank you for any suggestions

Un-install Facebook. I was about to revert to Kit Kat, but I figured I would wipe and re-install. I noticed slowdown when I installed Facebook, so I nuked it and my tablet is butter smooth now.

The Facebook app destroyed lollipop performance on my Nexus 7 too. This is not a Shield issue, it's a Facebook/lollipop issue.
Sent from my SHIELD Tablet using XDA Free mobile app

Wow. I had facebook installed but not even logged into, and i saw dramatic reduction in stutters and pauses when i uninstalled it.. how facebook, how?!

Thank you all. I do not use facebook. Any other possible reasons?
Applications I have installed are foldermount, adaway, titanium backup .... Could those cause this?

I also don't have Facebook installed and get some hang ups, especially when a system animation is about to occur (opening an app, going home, etc).
I'm rooted as well, with foldermount, adaway, ultimate backup (jrummys titanium), and a slew of other games and stuff. I didn't really think it would be an app issue. But maybe. I'll get rid of a few apps I have on my phone and see if I notice a difference.

Tip for optimizing Chrome
Follow the link and chrome problem will be solved i was amazed by the difference it made -link-http://www.techrepublic.com/article/pro-tip-speed-up-chrome-on-android-with-this-handy-hack/

Sarge29490 said:
Follow the link and chrome problem will be solved i was amazed by the difference it made -link-http://www.techrepublic.com/article/pro-tip-speed-up-chrome-on-android-with-this-handy-hack/
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you. I tried that - and it makes no difference. And the problem is not just with Chrome, as I experience (more or less random) slowdowns elsewhere too. I am a bit disappointed with this whole new Lollipop experience. On one hand it is (much) smoother than Kitkat was, on the other hand I get slowdowns, incompatibilities etc. which I never experienced with Kitkat

Well I have LTE version, i am rooted with philz recovery locked bootloader and orginal kernel, i use Seeder (find it on playstore) and weekly clear cache and dalvic/art cache, have no lags and slowdowns on lollipop, if there are, they are so rare that i dont notice any more.
Did you factory rest after the update? Cause i read somewhere that already installed apps have issues with lollipop so fresh install is recommended, i also have no issues with facebook either...
And also did you try changing processor mode to max performance in Shield power control under battery menu from optimized.
I must also mention the battery times have improved alot compared to kitkat...

Sarge29490 said:
Well I have LTE version, i am rooted with philz recovery locked bootloader and orginal kernel, i use Seeder (find it on playstore) and weekly clear cache and dalvic/art cache, have no lags and slowdowns on lollipop, if there are, they are so rare that i dont notice any more.
Did you factory rest after the update? Cause i read somewhere that already installed apps have issues with lollipop so fresh install is recommended, i also have no issues with facebook either...
And also did you try changing processor mode to max performance in Shield power control under battery menu from optimized.
I must also mention the battery times have improved alot compared to kitkat...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you - I will try your suggestion (I did a factory reset).
For now I have another (larger) problem to solve - apps moved to the SD card disappear...

Gadgetguy2005 said:
Thank you - I will try your suggestion (I did a factory reset).
For now I have another (larger) problem to solve - apps moved to the SD card disappear...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Try this thread:- http://forum.xda-developers.com/shield-tablet/general/major-issue-apps-sd-card-dissappear-t2950126
edit: oh i see you already did...

Try going into Google play disable notification and select do not auto update apps
Sent from my Nexus S using xda premium

Sdcard can make your shield slow. My Samsung 64go uhs-1 makes my shield slow if inserted with exfat , but no problem with NTFS and a 64kb cluster size.

Judge584 said:
Sdcard can make your shield slow. My Samsung 64go uhs-1 makes my shield slow if inserted with exfat , but no problem with NTFS and a 64kb cluster size.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks, I'll have to try with a re-format.

Tablet is stock, not rooted and boorloader locked. I sideloaded the lollipop OTA on my LTE version and i experience the same issue.
It flies most of the time but sometime, especially when downloading or updating apps from Play store or opening random apps like Skype or even hangouts the tablet will come to a crawl.
I think this is a lollipop issue which nvidia need to address with an update.

I have to say on 4.x the tablet was unbearably slow at times and it didnt seem to be related to any specific app. After installing lollipop fresh and clean everything is really smooth, except Chrome. When i open Chrome and start navigating i see things slow down to being unresponsive for 30-60 seconds at a time and immediately working if i close Chrome. I also have a Nexus 5 with Lollipop and no such issues there. I did install facebook so ill try removing that. Ill give the optimization thread a peak too and see if that works.
Im impressed overall with the Shield tablet, but its a blemish that general web browsing is faster on CM11 on my Kindle Fire HD (original). Maybe Nvidia will come out with a fix, or someone here will pin point the exact cause.

Eat it iPhone said:
I have to say on 4.x the tablet was unbearably slow at times and it didnt seem to be related to any specific app. After installing lollipop fresh and clean everything is really smooth, except Chrome. When i open Chrome and start navigating i see things slow down to being unresponsive for 30-60 seconds at a time and immediately working if i close Chrome. I also have a Nexus 5 with Lollipop and no such issues there. I did install facebook so ill try removing that. Ill give the optimization thread a peak too and see if that works.
Im impressed overall with the Shield tablet, but its a blemish that general web browsing is faster on CM11 on my Kindle Fire HD (original). Maybe Nvidia will come out with a fix, or someone here will pin point the exact cause.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
For me, web browsing in general has been a pain, many browsers don't seem to work well on our hardware. They all feel somewhat sluggish. And flash has been very picky for me... I think it is finally dying, haha.

Get rid of Facebook if you have it and try this for chrome
http://www.omgchrome.com/improve-chrome-android-memory/

Lastpass?
Do you happen to use LastPass? I found that, upon a fresh install, everything worked great until I installed LastPass. The way that they set up autofill in lollipop seems to hang up the whole system. When I disabled "Enable fill service" in the settings, the tablet was blazing fast again.
After playing with it, I found that I still got decent performance while still being able to leverage the best part of the app by enabling the fill service and disabling the helper and scanning for password fields.

A little app called cache cleaner can do wonders? and a simple reboot also helps a lot.
Btw. im using Yandex Browser for now untill BoatHD gets the lollipop update and it works really well on the Shield with 5.0

[Q] GPE Vs Stock

Hello Everyone
I'm ready to pull the pin on converting to GPE 5.1. I'm not that worried about being up to date; I sort of just want a ROM I don't have to worry about.
My concerns are very basic: I want a rom that I can set to cruise control.
Ideally, the ROM should be fast and easy to use. I like the idea of GPE being always up to date, I like flashing new ROMs, but what I know about GPE is that the experience isn't as nice as Motorola's stock ROMs.
My questions to those who have used both Stock and GPE (and perhaps other, custom, ROMs) are: Is GPE noticeably slower or glitchier than stock? Is GPE updated regularly? Do regular updates mean I have to give up root? (I don't mind not having root, considering this is an official Goolge ROM) Is there anything else I should consider?
I don't want to worry about updating, or reinstalling apps on my phone and the whatnot. There is no Arch Linux version of Android I can use, but maybe GPE is the closest thing.
Thanks!

IMO GPE 5.1 is somehow faster than moto edition. But it has the low memory killer issue which I believe there is no workaround for that, I already asked for some help, actually found a flashable zip for a "solution", but nothing. So you won't be able to multitask the proper way, since every time you minimize an app when u bring it back it opens all over again as if you closed it. Battery life and performance are great except for that issue. I believe I'll use blisspop from now on if I don't get this issue solved for tomorrow. As for updates I'm really not so sure but Bliss pop is using 5.1.1 already with this and other little big fixes. So for your concern about cruise control this may not be the best way as it will be closing the app regularly. Cheers.

lasuazo said:
IMO GPE 5.1 is somehow faster than moto edition. But it has the low memory killer issue which I believe there is no workaround for that, I already asked for some help, actually found a flashable zip for a "solution", but nothing. So you won't be able to multitask the proper way, since every time you minimize an app when u bring it back it opens all over again as if you closed it. Battery life and performance are great except for that issue. I believe I'll use blisspop from now on if I don't get this issue solved for tomorrow. As for updates I'm really not so sure but Bliss pop is using 5.1.1 already with this and other little big fixes. So for your concern about cruise control this may not be the best way as it will be closing the app regularly. Cheers.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Does it close apps that are supposed to be continuously running? Like playing music, or a podcast? The Moto G doesn't have a ton of RAM and from what I can tell I'm almost always running on full usage anyway. If it's closing apps that I want to use even while they're not front and center, that'll be annoying.
I don't need a ROM that is 100% up to date, I was just hoping that the GPE ROM would see regular updates that would be both stable and come with an expected frequency(I'm cool with an OTA that happens ever 3-6 months), without breaking my phone or deleting any of my personal data. I love custom ROMs, but I've come to a point where I just want a ROM I can rely on for long periods of time. With that said, you recommendation for Blisspop is welcome. Looking at the ROM (I haven't kept up to date with custom ROMs latetly) it seems pretty legit. My issues with CM12 (when I last used it probably a year ago) was that it was unstable and drained the crap out of my battery. Are those issues gone? I expect them to be. My battery life on the Stock LP ROM is outstanding. I can go about 2 days or more without charging, with about 3 hours of screen on time (I normally use my phone to listen to podcasts and audio books, reddit when I'm bored, so most of the time the screen is off anyway.)

you are correct, if you do a lot of multitasking i would not reccomend gpe 5.1 cause youll be facing that stupid issue. apparently this sorts the issue out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=60203758&postcount=1363 but to be honest, it would not work for me, another workaround was found but it did not work either. worst thing is that i tried to go back to blisspop and i could not make it... :crying: i got an error while installing blisspop error executing updater binary in zip twrp. So I´m kind of stuck with this stupid glitch... fortunately everything else works awesome.
BTW, which LP stock are u using? is it retail brazil 5.0.2 ???

lasuazo said:
you are correct, if you do a lot of multitasking i would not reccomend gpe 5.1 cause youll be facing that stupid issue. apparently this sorts the issue out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=60203758&postcount=1363 but to be honest, it would not work for me, another workaround was found but it did not work either. worst thing is that i tried to go back to blisspop and i could not make it... :crying: i got an error while installing blisspop error executing updater binary in zip twrp. So I´m kind of stuck with this stupid glitch... fortunately everything else works awesome.
BTW, which LP stock are u using? is it retail brazil 5.0.2 ???
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah, I'm on Brazil 5.0.2. I don't hate it, but I like the idea of being a bit more up to date, and a ROM that I know will get an update. I don't multitask often, but there are things I've seen in ROMs before that really upset me with auto-killing.

hey man, after some hard work and research i could go back to sweet blisspop rom. I tell ya good battery life, great performance, perfect multitasking (mention since that was what i was complaining for the other rom), and stability. no fc´s no random reboots, no crashes... beautiful. totally recommend it and plus its 5.1.1! maybe the only thing i can complain about this rom is ambient display, currently or apparently not working... maybe it will be re-enabled in future builds. plus its got some nice tweaks and features oh and if you like changing the look of your phone, its got themer, just get a cm12 theme from play store and change your entire ui. hope i helped u make up your mind regarding gpe stock and custom rom. cheers

lasuazo said:
IMO GPE 5.1 is somehow faster than moto edition. But it has the low memory killer issue which I believe there is no workaround for that, I already asked for some help, actually found a flashable zip for a "solution", but nothing. So you won't be able to multitask the proper way, since every time you minimize an app when u bring it back it opens all over again as if you closed it. Battery life and performance are great except for that issue. I believe I'll use blisspop from now on if I don't get this issue solved for tomorrow. As for updates I'm really not so sure but Bliss pop is using 5.1.1 already with this and other little big fixes. So for your concern about cruise control this may not be the best way as it will be closing the app regularly. Cheers.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Download Kernel Aduitor: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.grarak.kerneladiutor
Set this values in low memory killer stage:
Empty applications: 80 MB
Content providers: 64 MB
Hidden applications: 56 MB
Secondary server: 48 MB
Visible applications: 40 MB
Foreground applications: 32 MB
Set Apply on boot.
Problem solved !

MindLeader said:
Download Kernel Aduitor: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.grarak.kerneladiutor
Set this values in low memory killer stage:
Empty applications: 80 MB
Content providers: 64 MB
Hidden applications: 56 MB
Secondary server: 48 MB
Visible applications: 40 MB
Foreground applications: 32 MB
Set Apply on boot.
Problem solved !
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Actually did it mate, values never sticked. tried different apps, like rom toolbox, kernel adiutor, and minfree memory manager. none worked. gave su permissions apply on boot. nothing. but thanks 4 the feedback, moved out to blisspop which runs 5.1.1 issue is gone.

Latest global update 12.5.4 extended memory

Ok, so I've upgraded to latest firmware 12.5.4 global rom, and I've tried the extended memory option in the additional setting that added extra 2mb of ram... However from the about phone all settings the ram shown still 6MB... Shouldn't it shown 8MB instead of original 6MB?

unrelated question but just want to confirm, do Global ROM uses MIUI Contact, Dialer, and Messaging app? or from Google?
back to topic:
maybe use cpuz or any app that show device spec?

Syfer_Fever said:
unrelated question but just want to confirm, do Global ROM uses MIUI Contact, Dialer, and Messaging app? or from Google?
back to topic:
maybe use cpuz or any app that show device spec?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Global use Google apps phone, contact, messaging.... Yep, haven't try using 3rd party apps... Just looking if it's standard across all user... I've seen other phone showing 6GB + 2 extended on the setting page.

To answer both questions.
Many versions of MIUI these days are legally forced to use Google Messages and Google Dialer. There are a few places where the laws against such don't exist and will ship with those versions installed. Overall I wouldn't recommend it. I also wouldn't recommend Google Dialer or Mesages either, they're spammy, lack features and counter intuitive.
Second
As far as extended memory, I'm on the 8GB/128GB version of the device and after enabling that option the device RAM stayed at 8 in every app I used to check stats. Built in specs app and also many other specs apps like CPU Z. To me personally 8GB is already overkill because my usage even in heavy gaming is always less than 4GB. The additional 1/2 GB added is done purely on a deep level and will not ever show. Besides, real ram and storage ram have HUGE speed differences and I'm not gonna slow my phone down by using my storage as RAM. Also do not want to cross the write cycles by using my storage as RAM.

Alrich said:
To answer both questions.
Many versions of MIUI these days are legally forced to use Google Messages and Google Dialer. There are a few places where the laws against such don't exist and will ship with those versions installed. Overall I wouldn't recommend it. I also wouldn't recommend Google Dialer or Mesages either, they're spammy, lack features and counter intuitive.
Second
As far as extended memory, I'm on the 8GB/128GB version of the device and after enabling that option the device RAM stayed at 8 in every app I used to check stats. Built in specs app and also many other specs apps like CPU Z. To me personally 8GB is already overkill because my usage even in heavy gaming is always less than 4GB. The additional 1/2 GB added is done purely on a deep level and will not ever show. Besides, real ram and storage ram have HUGE speed differences and I'm not gonna slow my phone down by using my storage as RAM. Also do not want to cross the write cycles by using my storage as RAM.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So it's not recommended to enable the option? I did notice improvements on the speed especially when typing and gaming...

Nazri786 said:
So it's not recommended to enable the option? I did notice improvements on the speed especially when typing and gaming...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
When you notice an improvement when typing, there is something wrong with your phone

Noter2017 said:
When you notice an improvement when typing, there is something wrong with your phone
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yep, I am using swiftkey and it does improve on the typing... So far everything works great... Only the signal is not as good as while using asus or Samsung..

You need to reset your phone.
Because there seems to be something else holding your phone back that's making typing laggy. No phone after the year 2015 should be laggy while typing. Whether it's 1GB RAM or in your case a minimum of 6GB.