Hi,
I followed adixtra's tutorial and upgraded my O3D to 2.3.5 Europe open, and i must admit that this was the best and the flawless tutorial that i had ever read.
But after installing the new firmware i have noticed that many applications start by themselves in the background, I have the app manager widget running and with 2.2 it never used to report any running applications other than the ones that i manually start, but of late i can see upto 7 and sometimes 15 applications which reduce the available ram to around 40 Mb and i need to stop all of them manually.
I just wanted to check if this has to do with me flashing a unbranded firmware on an optus unlocked phone?
BTW the network reception has increased manifold and the phone by itself has improved, just that the applications autorunning is not giving me an improved battery life as gingerbread was supposed to. I still only manage to get 1 day of juice on a 2G network with minimal surfing/games and music.
Can someone suggest what might be my problem here? Also another strange thing is that when i look at the battery status in the applications--> battery use, the summary on top is garbage... even if the phone runs for 12 hrs on battery the summary shows something like 4mxxsec. but on clicking it the graph has the actual battery run time listed.
is anyone else also facing this? or i am the owner of a Unique O3D , this is not impacting any functionality though.
Thanks
Kris.
Yes, it seems like my phone also autostarts apps but i didn't notced, and i have the same problem with the battery statistics. ****, we waited for 4 months for official update and I still feel like i have installed a custom rom...
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Everyone have battery bug.. And bg apps also
I've got exact same problem! App manager widget and anywhere between 5-9apps running constantly and not got any increase in battery life.My O3D is a UK open one which I flashed with kdz with tutorial on here.Seriously thinking about rooting with custom Rom see if that helps with battery.
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For those worried about ram. I would assume the ram is filling up because that's how ram works in linux/android. Empty ram is wasted ram, the phone is supposed to load your most used and recent apps. When you fresh install it loads what it thinks you will be using and adjusts over time, this makes your phone actually load programs faster. Free memory doesn't speed up anything, this isn't windows. In fact if you have to constantly load apps from phone memory you are draining your battery more than if your apps were loading from ram. You want your apps to be in ram. Just because an app is loaded in ram doesn't actually mean it is running. It is sitting there idle not using any cpu at all waiting for the user to call that app up. If you just leave task managers off your phone and let android do what it is supposed to you will see much better performance over time. At first you might not see much, that's because the system hasn't learned what apps you use the most yet. Soon it will load most used apps and everything you do will be much quicker and you battery will end up lasting longer because apps are loading from ram not storage. I NEVER use task killers and I have no problems with ram at all. You are all used to the crappy way windows handles ram, this is linux it uses ram COMPLETELY different. Trust me just forget about the task killers, use something like v6supercharger or a boot.img with tweaks built in and forget about it. You will notice over time your phone will be smooth.
It isn't a bug, it is better ram management. If it is a bug then that's a surprise because it is a bug that is doing what linux is supposed to which means the bug is actually helping you.
...fighting ninjas at night, talkin' about this and that.
i'm using v6supercharged v8 with 7 option,but i can't see any different and free ram is still the same.
i saw there is a v9rc4 but i can't install it because i dont know if home il locked in or not.
Thanks For clarifying that Urabewe, was not aware of that, have removed the task manager widget, hopefully my O3D would have a good learning curve
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Hello Hello,
Just got my SPV-E650 (orange) after having a good research of reviews. Everything was so positive i thought i could not go wrong! problems:
1. RAM - I think applications should close once you exit them. However i can tolerate task maanger so this isnt my real problem - The thing is, even when you close all application using Task Manager the RAM sometime remains really low - around 1mb to 4mb! NOT GOOD AT ALL! i tried refresh but it does nothing - in the end the phone has to be switched on and off as i can find no other way to sort it - i just dont see where all the memory goes! memory leak perhaps? anyone else had this problem?
2. In reviews no mention seems to be made at the painfully slow screen rotate from potrait to landscape - much much slower than the m3100.
To be honest it is a great little phone and i think i would put up with any problems as it is a nice little piece of HTC craftwork!
But if there is a soultion to the RAM/task manger issue i would be happy lad!
thanks
Look what ROM version you have installed! Sounds like an old one. Under settings -> device information. Flash a newer one, if you want to do that, the screen rotation will be faster and the memory leak isn't as bad with newer ROMs, mine usually stays above 20 Mbyte with a 1.27 ROM, but there are newer ROMs out there. Also you should have a look at AppCloser: http://wwwu.edu.uni-klu.ac.at/apitman/appcloser/index.php
ROM version is : 1.22.61.3
not really tech savy in this field. how would i go about making the change your advising?
also is there an application name list? as in all the .exe application names?
Well you should probably first try the appcloser and if that isn't enough, read the Vox Wiki on Flashing a ROM, there are enough on the ftp. If your not so good with all the tech stuff, you should rather try a shipped ROM than a cooked one, espacially since New Guava is more a beta version right now! But anyways read the Wiki first (link is in my signature)!
is there an pplication name list - as in all the .exe names?
I don't think so, just look in a task manager that shows you the process names like this one! and then add them to the list.
Well reading the VOX wiki has not really helped. It seems like a far to tricky method to fix the problem. The app closer doesnt really help. the problem seems to be:
That when an application is open the RAM goes down. When the app is closed it goes back up , but not back to where it was. Therfore every couple of hours the RAM has dropped to between 1mb and 3mb even if no appilcations are running.
I am surprised that other people have not had the same problem and that there is not a simple user friendly fix?
I have the same problem, its very minor though and sometimes I also regain the "lost" memory when closing programs.
I tend to close them one by one, and make sure I don't have too much open. Ofc I don't use that many programs at once
If Memory does get low, a soft reboot (turn it off/back on) fixes it.
Now if only my screen hadn't cracked today I'd be all happy
Hallo together,
The last 3 days i thinking to flash my Orbit 2 with the Android Froyo, but this process is complicated and take much time. I thought more people have flashed the Android on Touch Cruise already and can answer me a couple questions.
1. Is the android on NAND faster than WM 6.1?
2. Have the Android a GPU driver for TC or Orbit 2?
3. How much free space i would be having?
4. Is it possible to move the apps to SD or make a virtual partition on SD like an internal memory?
5. The battery drain?
6. Can i use iGo 8?
7. Have someone tested the Golaunchenr on TC or Orbit 2?
That’s all. It would be nice if someone explain me this simple things!
With best regards
Pendelv
I can't believe, that nobody have answer on my questions.
Can someone who flashed the Android on NAND answer only this 3 questions, all anothe i finded in the board.
1. Is the android on NAND faster than WM 6.1?
2. Have the Android a GPU driver for TC or Orbit 2?
3. How much free space i would be having after flashing the Android on NAND with Data on SD?
i have install nand before and now flash back wm6.5
maybe i can answer some of the question
1. the speed is acceptable if not open heavy load apps
2. the quacomm brenchmark have about 26 fps
3. space since i mount all things to sd, so i am not very clear
run android on TC is funny, but i don't think it can serve as daily use
easy to hang and after hang, sometimes the kernel will corrupt and cannot restart the phone,
also, when the battery use up, the phone cannot charge ( restart and restart and even use more power )
the battery meter is not accurate also..
hope i can answer your question
Thanks a lot
now it is simple to make a right desision to stay by wm 6.1.
I use iGo 8 on my Orbit 2 like Navigation in the Car, but i have read that the people have run the igo8 under Android. I ask me how? I think for me its better to stay with wm 6.1 and SPB shell. Works fine now. Actualy Android with marketplace and so many Apps sounds great, but if it dont work corectly....?
With best regards!
Pendelv
1st of all I disagree a little with hcchcc. To flash Android on Nand is actually very simple and it runs pretty good.
Also to answer your questions:
It is faster than WM6.1
You won't play games with this old crap, but UI is very smooth
Around ~90Mb, but it depends of ROM
It is native Froyo feature to move apps to SD card so not all apps are movable
Battery drain is equal as on WM6.1. It can hold about 2-3 days, but again it depends of ROM, kernel and radio
Don't know about iGo, but Google maps and navigation works fine
Go launcher works fine, but I would recommend Launcher Pro
While my new Lumia 800 is at reparation I took off some dust from my old Polaris.
Android development have been stopped very long time ago for this device so you take what you have. I tried l1q1d's RLS16 with 2.6.32.9 kernel, but I find it too unstable and too many small annoying bugs.
I'm currently using RLS18 with 2.6.25 kernel and it works surprisingly good. I spend about 2 weeks optimizing and tweaking it and now I'm very happy with result. It is my daily ROM atm.
Overall android works fine on Polaris. The only huge problem is low RAM (only 105Mb). This also means there will be no multitasking. So unless you don't load any heavy apps like Gmaps or browsing heavy web pages everything works just fine. Because of this drawback if you are using Gmaps and receiving a call in the same time phone may crash or in best case it will hang an incoming call or if you are lucky it will path through.
If you wish I can share my ROM.
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1st of all I disagree a little with hcchcc. To flash Android on Nand is actually very simple and it runs pretty good.
Also to answer your questions:
It is faster than WM6.1
You won't play games with this old crap, but UI is very smooth
Around ~90Mb, but it depends of ROM
It is native Froyo feature to move apps to SD card so not all apps are movable
Battery drain is equal as on WM6.1. It can hold about 2-3 days, but again it depends of ROM, kernel and radio
Don't know about iGo, but Google maps and navigation works fine
Go launcher works fine, but I would recommend Launcher Pro
While my new Lumia 800 is at reparation I took off some dust from my old Polaris.
Android development have been stopped very long time ago for this device so you take what you have. I tried l1q1d's RLS16 with 2.6.32.9 kernel, but I find it too unstable and too many small annoying bugs.
I'm currently using RLS18 with 2.6.25 kernel and it works surprisingly good. I spend about 2 weeks optimizing and tweaking it and now I'm very happy with result. It is my daily ROM atm.
Overall android works fine on Polaris. The only huge problem is low RAM (only 105Mb). This also means there will be no multitasking. So unless you don't load any heavy apps like Gmaps or browsing heavy web pages everything works just fine. Because of this drawback if you are using Gmaps and receiving a call in the same time phone may crash or in best case it will hang an incoming call or if you are lucky it will path through.
If you wish I can share my ROM.
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Hi,
Please share your ROM. I installed Incubu's RLS16. Where can i download liqid's RLS18.
Thanks.
I have had my Moto G LTE xt1045 since they first came out and have been very happy with it except for this issue. It is very aggressive about suspending/killing apps. You notice this when you try to switch back and forth between two apps and find that it is restarting the other app instead of resuming it. It's especially noticeable when switching between a browser and another app. Another example is that I was using navigation and tried to use the NPR app to listen to some programs, but it would only do one or the other.
I realize that the phone only has 1 GB of memory, but it seems over-aggressive at freeing memory - doesn't it? I'd like to hear feedback from others about this.
In my searches for further information, it seems that one thing that can be tuned is swappiness. On my stock phone, the swappiness is set to 60. Have people experimented with different values?
My phone is not rooted yet as I've been reasonably happy with the stock experience. But I'm willing to root if it will allow a solution to this problem.
Thanks!
yaconsult said:
I have had my Moto G LTE xt1045 since they first came out and have been very happy with it except for this issue. It is very aggressive about suspending/killing apps. You notice this when you try to switch back and forth between two apps and find that it is restarting the other app instead of resuming it. It's especially noticeable when switching between a browser and another app. Another example is that I was using navigation and tried to use the NPR app to listen to some programs, but it would only do one or the other.
I realize that the phone only has 1 GB of memory, but it seems over-aggressive at freeing memory - doesn't it? I'd like to hear feedback from others about this.
In my searches for further information, it seems that one thing that can be tuned is swappiness. On my stock phone, the swappiness is set to 60. Have people experimented with different values?
My phone is not rooted yet as I've been reasonably happy with the stock experience. But I'm willing to root if it will allow a solution to this problem.
Thanks!
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I was facing the same problem, I really hated that it closed the apps so aggressively. This was one of the main reasons I rooted. I don't know about swappiness, but there is a file: sys/module/lowmemorykiller/minfree which handles when the OS will kill different types of apps. If you root and download MinFreeManager you can easily edit this file. If you want more information on this topic, just search for "minfree" here on the forums. After using this app I've been happier with how memory is handled, but of course it is still only 1GB. Also it's worth mentioning that the values in the minfree file are reverted to default on boot. There are workarounds for that, event MinFreeManager has an "Apply on boot" setting, but it doesn't work for me. However it takes like 3 taps to set the values manually.
I hope I could help you.
This sounds like just what I need! What settings have you tried? Have you decided what works best on the moto G?
Thanks!
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OK, I've been using MinFreeManager for a bit now and it has solved all my multitasking issues. I used this guide: Fine tuning the MinFree settings (improving on Android's multitasking) with the aggressive settings.
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OK, I've been using MinFreeManager for a bit now and it has solved all my multitasking issues. .
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I confirm it works.
Just flashing the Franco kernel won't fix things?
Also the Android one phones with just 1gb memory performs a lot better at multitasking than G
Somebody with the skills should really look into how google is managing ram in that phone.
Seriously it multitasks like a dream.
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Just flashing the Franco kernel won't fix things?
Also the Android one phones with just 1gb memory performs a lot better at multitasking than G
Somebody with the skills should really look into how google is managing ram in that phone.
Seriously it multitasks like a dream.
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No, the kernel is not the issue. It's a config file on the phone that tells android how much memory to keep free - if you follow the link in my previous post, you can read all about it and understand the issue.
It is a phone setting that Motorola changed in 4.4.4. With default settings, you will find that apps are killed by android when you switch to another app and the first app has to be restarted from scratch when you switch back to it. MinFreeManager fixes the issue - but you have to be rooted to use it. Your Android One just has less aggressive default minfree memory settings.
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No, the kernel is not the issue. It's a config file on the phone that tells android how much memory to keep free - if you follow the link in my previous post, you can read all about it and understand the issue.
It is a phone setting that Motorola changed in 4.4.4. With default settings, you will find that apps are killed by android when you switch to another app and the first app has to be restarted from scratch when you switch back to it. MinFreeManager fixes the issue - but you have to be rooted to use it. Your Android One just has less aggressive default minfree memory settings.
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I see. Also one more thing I observed on Android One was that google play services was using 1/4th the ram it uses on my G . there was always 500 mb free ram
Hi all, been doing some research on this subject, some say mem leak was solved, others say its fixed till 5.1.1... Please, anyone here knows how to solve this damn issue, i think its the famous memory leak, not sure, but whenever im multitasking for example using chrome with like 4 tabs opened up, running whatsapp, winamp, and... facebook, i go back to facebook, the damn thing opens again like refreshing feed from the beginning, freakin winamp closes up, damn chrome reloads the pages as if i was opening again after closing it, and there is a slight UI s%$# that apparently re-opens the launcher (stock), like if it loads all the icons and widgets again. Im really not sure if this is the stupid memory leak thing, but I perfectly remember it also happened on stock 4.4.4, just as it happens here. 5.1 is really good! And having my phone with stock GPE 5.1 battery life and performance are freakin awesome! I dont want to go lookin for a custom rom, not totally satisfied with bat life and perf. Stock is wayyyy better at this. However, on custom ROM I didnt have this issue at all. wtf is going on with stock roms carrying on with this issue. Please help, thanks in advance. This is all I need to get this thing working properly. BTW I am NOT having my RAM consumed when I lock the screen or anything like that. Its just that it appears as if the system cannot hold apps running in the background, when i get back to them is like if i closed them and opened them again. If im using just one app in the backgorund for example whatsapp, this does not happen, and even when i press home, the launcher wont have those stupid drawbacks, everything is solid smooth.
Another thing, not a biggy, USB OTG... I even installed stick mount from playstore but never opens up in ES file explorer, any ideas on that?
Device details:
XT1032, Android version 5.1, Stock kernel, build number LMY47M.M001
This helps somewhat, but requires a custom recovery (and root if you want to manually edit):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=60203758&postcount=1363
lost101 said:
This helps somewhat, but requires a custom recovery (and root if you want to manually edit):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=60203758&postcount=1363
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Thanks for that mate, I did flash it and did some testing, same thing, only sometimes the background apps stick without closing
lasuazo said:
Thanks for that mate, I did flash it and did some testing, same thing, only sometimes the background apps stick without closing
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Chrome RAM usage in the latest updates is insane, and Facebook, well.. it's always been a memory hungry one.
I just think you are expecting too much for a 1GB ram device, there is a reason that recent devices comes with 3-4GB RAM
CJMom said:
Chrome RAM usage in the latest updates is insane, and Facebook, well.. it's always been a memory hungry one.
I just think you are expecting too much for a 1GB ram device, there is a reason that recent devices comes with 3-4GB RAM
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I actually used an s3 mini before this phone, and never had this kind of issues. Its the software gpe 5.1 which has this issue, I read its not only for the moto g and moto g 2nd generation, its several devices. Im currently running blisspop rom with 5.1.1 problem gone. Stock kernel, nothing modified.
Tip: I removed chrome and use lightning now. I've also disabled most of the other play apps.
I've done some RAM stress testing on my stock 5.0.2 Moto G to try and work this problem out. I don't think it's just a LMK issue.
Some of the 'free' RAM in Android is taken up by a kernel cache/buffer which should freely give most of it's allocated RAM back to the system before the LMK kicks in. On an old tablet I've got on 4.2.2 it does just that - if I use the Fill Ram app (find it on the playstore) to simulate extreme low memory conditions on my tablet cached apps are cleared and background apps start to get killed when there is about 60MB 'free' left and the Fill Ram app in the foreground eventually dies when there is around 40MB left. The tablet is only keeping around 30MB aside for the kernel cache/buffer.
Do the same on the Moto G and it's will clear the cached apps and start killing background apps at about 150MB 'free'. The Fill Ram app dies at around 90-100MB. So the stock Moto G kernel is trying to retain somewhere in the region of 90MB for it's kernel cache/buffer.
My guess this a deliberate tuning by Moto for UI performance at the expense of multitasking. Combined with the reduction of available RAM due to the allocation of zRAM swap and it effectively leaves the stock G with much less room for user apps to run in the background or be effectively cached than you'd think for a device with a 1GB ram chip installed.
I haven't really noticed any evidence of the famous Lollipop memory leak on 5.0.2 on the Moto G (it's a system UI leak) so I reckon Moto may have patched it.
Ok, so I've upgraded to latest firmware 12.5.4 global rom, and I've tried the extended memory option in the additional setting that added extra 2mb of ram... However from the about phone all settings the ram shown still 6MB... Shouldn't it shown 8MB instead of original 6MB?
unrelated question but just want to confirm, do Global ROM uses MIUI Contact, Dialer, and Messaging app? or from Google?
back to topic:
maybe use cpuz or any app that show device spec?
Syfer_Fever said:
unrelated question but just want to confirm, do Global ROM uses MIUI Contact, Dialer, and Messaging app? or from Google?
back to topic:
maybe use cpuz or any app that show device spec?
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Global use Google apps phone, contact, messaging.... Yep, haven't try using 3rd party apps... Just looking if it's standard across all user... I've seen other phone showing 6GB + 2 extended on the setting page.
To answer both questions.
Many versions of MIUI these days are legally forced to use Google Messages and Google Dialer. There are a few places where the laws against such don't exist and will ship with those versions installed. Overall I wouldn't recommend it. I also wouldn't recommend Google Dialer or Mesages either, they're spammy, lack features and counter intuitive.
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As far as extended memory, I'm on the 8GB/128GB version of the device and after enabling that option the device RAM stayed at 8 in every app I used to check stats. Built in specs app and also many other specs apps like CPU Z. To me personally 8GB is already overkill because my usage even in heavy gaming is always less than 4GB. The additional 1/2 GB added is done purely on a deep level and will not ever show. Besides, real ram and storage ram have HUGE speed differences and I'm not gonna slow my phone down by using my storage as RAM. Also do not want to cross the write cycles by using my storage as RAM.
Alrich said:
To answer both questions.
Many versions of MIUI these days are legally forced to use Google Messages and Google Dialer. There are a few places where the laws against such don't exist and will ship with those versions installed. Overall I wouldn't recommend it. I also wouldn't recommend Google Dialer or Mesages either, they're spammy, lack features and counter intuitive.
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As far as extended memory, I'm on the 8GB/128GB version of the device and after enabling that option the device RAM stayed at 8 in every app I used to check stats. Built in specs app and also many other specs apps like CPU Z. To me personally 8GB is already overkill because my usage even in heavy gaming is always less than 4GB. The additional 1/2 GB added is done purely on a deep level and will not ever show. Besides, real ram and storage ram have HUGE speed differences and I'm not gonna slow my phone down by using my storage as RAM. Also do not want to cross the write cycles by using my storage as RAM.
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So it's not recommended to enable the option? I did notice improvements on the speed especially when typing and gaming...
Nazri786 said:
So it's not recommended to enable the option? I did notice improvements on the speed especially when typing and gaming...
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When you notice an improvement when typing, there is something wrong with your phone
Noter2017 said:
When you notice an improvement when typing, there is something wrong with your phone
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Yep, I am using swiftkey and it does improve on the typing... So far everything works great... Only the signal is not as good as while using asus or Samsung..
You need to reset your phone.
Because there seems to be something else holding your phone back that's making typing laggy. No phone after the year 2015 should be laggy while typing. Whether it's 1GB RAM or in your case a minimum of 6GB.