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Applications autorun in the background after 2.3.5 upgrade.

Hi,
I followed adixtra's tutorial and upgraded my O3D to 2.3.5 Europe open, and i must admit that this was the best and the flawless tutorial that i had ever read.
But after installing the new firmware i have noticed that many applications start by themselves in the background, I have the app manager widget running and with 2.2 it never used to report any running applications other than the ones that i manually start, but of late i can see upto 7 and sometimes 15 applications which reduce the available ram to around 40 Mb and i need to stop all of them manually.
I just wanted to check if this has to do with me flashing a unbranded firmware on an optus unlocked phone?
BTW the network reception has increased manifold and the phone by itself has improved, just that the applications autorunning is not giving me an improved battery life as gingerbread was supposed to. I still only manage to get 1 day of juice on a 2G network with minimal surfing/games and music.
Can someone suggest what might be my problem here? Also another strange thing is that when i look at the battery status in the applications--> battery use, the summary on top is garbage... even if the phone runs for 12 hrs on battery the summary shows something like 4mxxsec. but on clicking it the graph has the actual battery run time listed.
is anyone else also facing this? or i am the owner of a Unique O3D , this is not impacting any functionality though.
Thanks
Kris.

Yes, it seems like my phone also autostarts apps but i didn't notced, and i have the same problem with the battery statistics. ****, we waited for 4 months for official update and I still feel like i have installed a custom rom...
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Everyone have battery bug.. And bg apps also

I've got exact same problem! App manager widget and anywhere between 5-9apps running constantly and not got any increase in battery life.My O3D is a UK open one which I flashed with kdz with tutorial on here.Seriously thinking about rooting with custom Rom see if that helps with battery.
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For those worried about ram. I would assume the ram is filling up because that's how ram works in linux/android. Empty ram is wasted ram, the phone is supposed to load your most used and recent apps. When you fresh install it loads what it thinks you will be using and adjusts over time, this makes your phone actually load programs faster. Free memory doesn't speed up anything, this isn't windows. In fact if you have to constantly load apps from phone memory you are draining your battery more than if your apps were loading from ram. You want your apps to be in ram. Just because an app is loaded in ram doesn't actually mean it is running. It is sitting there idle not using any cpu at all waiting for the user to call that app up. If you just leave task managers off your phone and let android do what it is supposed to you will see much better performance over time. At first you might not see much, that's because the system hasn't learned what apps you use the most yet. Soon it will load most used apps and everything you do will be much quicker and you battery will end up lasting longer because apps are loading from ram not storage. I NEVER use task killers and I have no problems with ram at all. You are all used to the crappy way windows handles ram, this is linux it uses ram COMPLETELY different. Trust me just forget about the task killers, use something like v6supercharger or a boot.img with tweaks built in and forget about it. You will notice over time your phone will be smooth.
It isn't a bug, it is better ram management. If it is a bug then that's a surprise because it is a bug that is doing what linux is supposed to which means the bug is actually helping you.
...fighting ninjas at night, talkin' about this and that.

i'm using v6supercharged v8 with 7 option,but i can't see any different and free ram is still the same.
i saw there is a v9rc4 but i can't install it because i dont know if home il locked in or not.

Thanks For clarifying that Urabewe, was not aware of that, have removed the task manager widget, hopefully my O3D would have a good learning curve

[Q] Moto G too aggressive about freeing memory - related to swappiness setting?

I have had my Moto G LTE xt1045 since they first came out and have been very happy with it except for this issue. It is very aggressive about suspending/killing apps. You notice this when you try to switch back and forth between two apps and find that it is restarting the other app instead of resuming it. It's especially noticeable when switching between a browser and another app. Another example is that I was using navigation and tried to use the NPR app to listen to some programs, but it would only do one or the other.
I realize that the phone only has 1 GB of memory, but it seems over-aggressive at freeing memory - doesn't it? I'd like to hear feedback from others about this.
In my searches for further information, it seems that one thing that can be tuned is swappiness. On my stock phone, the swappiness is set to 60. Have people experimented with different values?
My phone is not rooted yet as I've been reasonably happy with the stock experience. But I'm willing to root if it will allow a solution to this problem.
Thanks!

yaconsult said:
I have had my Moto G LTE xt1045 since they first came out and have been very happy with it except for this issue. It is very aggressive about suspending/killing apps. You notice this when you try to switch back and forth between two apps and find that it is restarting the other app instead of resuming it. It's especially noticeable when switching between a browser and another app. Another example is that I was using navigation and tried to use the NPR app to listen to some programs, but it would only do one or the other.
I realize that the phone only has 1 GB of memory, but it seems over-aggressive at freeing memory - doesn't it? I'd like to hear feedback from others about this.
In my searches for further information, it seems that one thing that can be tuned is swappiness. On my stock phone, the swappiness is set to 60. Have people experimented with different values?
My phone is not rooted yet as I've been reasonably happy with the stock experience. But I'm willing to root if it will allow a solution to this problem.
Thanks!
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I was facing the same problem, I really hated that it closed the apps so aggressively. This was one of the main reasons I rooted. I don't know about swappiness, but there is a file: sys/module/lowmemorykiller/minfree which handles when the OS will kill different types of apps. If you root and download MinFreeManager you can easily edit this file. If you want more information on this topic, just search for "minfree" here on the forums. After using this app I've been happier with how memory is handled, but of course it is still only 1GB. Also it's worth mentioning that the values in the minfree file are reverted to default on boot. There are workarounds for that, event MinFreeManager has an "Apply on boot" setting, but it doesn't work for me. However it takes like 3 taps to set the values manually.
I hope I could help you.

This sounds like just what I need! What settings have you tried? Have you decided what works best on the moto G?
Thanks!
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OK, I've been using MinFreeManager for a bit now and it has solved all my multitasking issues. I used this guide: Fine tuning the MinFree settings (improving on Android's multitasking) with the aggressive settings.

yaconsult said:
OK, I've been using MinFreeManager for a bit now and it has solved all my multitasking issues. .
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I confirm it works.

Just flashing the Franco kernel won't fix things?
Also the Android one phones with just 1gb memory performs a lot better at multitasking than G
Somebody with the skills should really look into how google is managing ram in that phone.
Seriously it multitasks like a dream.

jaspreet997 said:
Just flashing the Franco kernel won't fix things?
Also the Android one phones with just 1gb memory performs a lot better at multitasking than G
Somebody with the skills should really look into how google is managing ram in that phone.
Seriously it multitasks like a dream.
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No, the kernel is not the issue. It's a config file on the phone that tells android how much memory to keep free - if you follow the link in my previous post, you can read all about it and understand the issue.
It is a phone setting that Motorola changed in 4.4.4. With default settings, you will find that apps are killed by android when you switch to another app and the first app has to be restarted from scratch when you switch back to it. MinFreeManager fixes the issue - but you have to be rooted to use it. Your Android One just has less aggressive default minfree memory settings.

yaconsult said:
No, the kernel is not the issue. It's a config file on the phone that tells android how much memory to keep free - if you follow the link in my previous post, you can read all about it and understand the issue.
It is a phone setting that Motorola changed in 4.4.4. With default settings, you will find that apps are killed by android when you switch to another app and the first app has to be restarted from scratch when you switch back to it. MinFreeManager fixes the issue - but you have to be rooted to use it. Your Android One just has less aggressive default minfree memory settings.
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I see. Also one more thing I observed on Android One was that google play services was using 1/4th the ram it uses on my G . there was always 500 mb free ram

[Q] Memory leak? GPE 5.1

Hi all, been doing some research on this subject, some say mem leak was solved, others say its fixed till 5.1.1... Please, anyone here knows how to solve this damn issue, i think its the famous memory leak, not sure, but whenever im multitasking for example using chrome with like 4 tabs opened up, running whatsapp, winamp, and... facebook, i go back to facebook, the damn thing opens again like refreshing feed from the beginning, freakin winamp closes up, damn chrome reloads the pages as if i was opening again after closing it, and there is a slight UI s%$# that apparently re-opens the launcher (stock), like if it loads all the icons and widgets again. Im really not sure if this is the stupid memory leak thing, but I perfectly remember it also happened on stock 4.4.4, just as it happens here. 5.1 is really good! And having my phone with stock GPE 5.1 battery life and performance are freakin awesome! I dont want to go lookin for a custom rom, not totally satisfied with bat life and perf. Stock is wayyyy better at this. However, on custom ROM I didnt have this issue at all. wtf is going on with stock roms carrying on with this issue. Please help, thanks in advance. This is all I need to get this thing working properly. BTW I am NOT having my RAM consumed when I lock the screen or anything like that. Its just that it appears as if the system cannot hold apps running in the background, when i get back to them is like if i closed them and opened them again. If im using just one app in the backgorund for example whatsapp, this does not happen, and even when i press home, the launcher wont have those stupid drawbacks, everything is solid smooth.
Another thing, not a biggy, USB OTG... I even installed stick mount from playstore but never opens up in ES file explorer, any ideas on that?
Device details:
XT1032, Android version 5.1, Stock kernel, build number LMY47M.M001

This helps somewhat, but requires a custom recovery (and root if you want to manually edit):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=60203758&postcount=1363​

lost101 said:
This helps somewhat, but requires a custom recovery (and root if you want to manually edit):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=60203758&postcount=1363​
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Thanks for that mate, I did flash it and did some testing, same thing, only sometimes the background apps stick without closing

lasuazo said:
Thanks for that mate, I did flash it and did some testing, same thing, only sometimes the background apps stick without closing
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Chrome RAM usage in the latest updates is insane, and Facebook, well.. it's always been a memory hungry one.
I just think you are expecting too much for a 1GB ram device, there is a reason that recent devices comes with 3-4GB RAM

CJMom said:
Chrome RAM usage in the latest updates is insane, and Facebook, well.. it's always been a memory hungry one.
I just think you are expecting too much for a 1GB ram device, there is a reason that recent devices comes with 3-4GB RAM
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I actually used an s3 mini before this phone, and never had this kind of issues. Its the software gpe 5.1 which has this issue, I read its not only for the moto g and moto g 2nd generation, its several devices. Im currently running blisspop rom with 5.1.1 problem gone. Stock kernel, nothing modified.

Tip: I removed chrome and use lightning now. I've also disabled most of the other play apps.

I've done some RAM stress testing on my stock 5.0.2 Moto G to try and work this problem out. I don't think it's just a LMK issue.
Some of the 'free' RAM in Android is taken up by a kernel cache/buffer which should freely give most of it's allocated RAM back to the system before the LMK kicks in. On an old tablet I've got on 4.2.2 it does just that - if I use the Fill Ram app (find it on the playstore) to simulate extreme low memory conditions on my tablet cached apps are cleared and background apps start to get killed when there is about 60MB 'free' left and the Fill Ram app in the foreground eventually dies when there is around 40MB left. The tablet is only keeping around 30MB aside for the kernel cache/buffer.
Do the same on the Moto G and it's will clear the cached apps and start killing background apps at about 150MB 'free'. The Fill Ram app dies at around 90-100MB. So the stock Moto G kernel is trying to retain somewhere in the region of 90MB for it's kernel cache/buffer.
My guess this a deliberate tuning by Moto for UI performance at the expense of multitasking. Combined with the reduction of available RAM due to the allocation of zRAM swap and it effectively leaves the stock G with much less room for user apps to run in the background or be effectively cached than you'd think for a device with a 1GB ram chip installed.
I haven't really noticed any evidence of the famous Lollipop memory leak on 5.0.2 on the Moto G (it's a system UI leak) so I reckon Moto may have patched it.

MIUI Global 10.3.3 RAM Management?

I'm not going to rant a lot here, but it's getting very annoying to the point I think I need to go here in the forum for a solution.
I'm using a 32/3GB Global version, on MIUI 10.3.3 Global with Android 9.
My phone's RAM management is utter dud it feels like a 500MB RAM phone. When I open an app, say a game, and then go home and open another app, goodbye game. Or Chrome and Music. Music plays in the background for some time but then just stops. Feels like it's thinking of Music as an unnecessary app and decided to close it. These issues did not happen with my last update before this.
My RAM usage usually hovers at 1.7/3GB.
TL;DR, Xiaomi probably trying to implement a RAM management system that is far too effective it's not efficient. Basically bye-bye multitasking. Is there anything I could do to change this?

Wonder why no one replied? Am I the only one with this problem?

jalovitrue said:
I'm not going to rant a lot here, but it's getting very annoying to the point I think I need to go here in the forum for a solution.
I'm using a 32/3GB Global version, on MIUI 10.3.3 Global with Android 9.
My phone's RAM management is utter dud it feels like a 500MB RAM phone. When I open an app, say a game, and then go home and open another app, goodbye game. Or Chrome and Music. Music plays in the background for some time but then just stops. Feels like it's thinking of Music as an unnecessary app and decided to close it. These issues did not happen with my last update before this.
My RAM usage usually hovers at 1.7/3GB.
TL;DR, Xiaomi probably trying to implement a RAM management system that is far too effective it's not efficient. Basically bye-bye multitasking. Is there anything I could do to change this?
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Same problem here 3/32 model (i am from Argentina) same rom global 10.3.3 and after update only manage 2-3 apps and close background. Any idea?
Xiaomi forum, more people same bug:
in . c . mi . com/thread-1943237-1-0.html

nix.sasl said:
Same problem here 3/32 model (i am from Argentina) same rom global 10.3.3 and after update only manage 2-3 apps and close background. Any idea?
Xiaomi forum, more people same bug:
in . c . mi . com/thread-1943237-1-0.html
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I think the management of RAM on the stock is very bad, in fact Xiaomi had to adapt it for the S2 as it has a 32 bit rom on a 64 bit Soc. I advise you to unlock the bootloader, install the Twrp and flashi the Lineage 16, and that's better.

Yeah, this is an known bug. I suggest you unlock bootloader and install the latest MIUI by Xiaomi.eu (currently, we are in 10.3.4), cause this problem was solved in there.

richardqcarvalho said:
Yeah, this is an known bug. I suggest you unlock bootloader and install the latest MIUI by Xiaomi.eu (currently, we are in 10.3.4), cause this problem was solved in there.
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Xiaomi eu ROM works fine in 3/32 ? Because i read some people with bugs in this version, no in 4/64.
The 10.3.4 was removed after hours from download site of ota Xiaomi (because lot of bug) and actually say that is beta when i try to install it manually.
So the only way is go to eu ROM. Really, lot of bug global stock version to version.

Well, today i updated to 10.3.5 global (official web site) and look solved.
Attached screenshot of a lot of apps opens and no closed, and battery intelligent of Google is enabled.
Before update, whiteout any app in task list 1.5 free, now 1.6 or 1.7 sometimes.
Additional changelog:
Camera, faster shot and video 1080 60fps
Mode digital bienestar mode.
Dark mode.
Boot faster and unlock first time faster.
https://imgur.com/a/dTSFyvV

nix.sasl said:
Well, today i updated to 10.3.5 global (official web site) and look solved.
Attached screenshot of a lot of apps opens and no closed, and battery intelligent of Google is enabled.
Before update, whiteout any app in task list 1.5 free, now 1.6 or 1.7 sometimes.
Additional changelog:
Camera, faster shot and video 1080 60fps
Mode digital bienestar mode.
Dark mode.
Boot faster and unlock first time faster.
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I've been having the same problem. After I updated to Global Stable MIUI 10.3.3.0 (PEFMIXM) I started having these issues where background apps just won't stay running. Tabs on Chrome keep reloading if I switch between them.
Can you confirm if the above solution by @nix.sasl works? @jalovitrue

ChatMuerto said:
I've been having the same problem. After I updated to Global Stable MIUI 10.3.3.0 (PEFMIXM) I started having these issues where background apps just won't stay running. Tabs on Chrome keep reloading if I switch between them.
Can you confirm if the above solution by @nix.sasl works? @jalovitrue
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Download the 10.3.5.0 PEFMIXM from miui for redmi s2 global stable
bigota. d. miui . com/V10.3.5.0.PEFMIXM/miui_HMS2Global_V10.3.5.0.PEFMIXM_4dec7b969d_9.0.zip
imgur. com/a/0wPMsSb

Thanks @nix.sasl. I too can confirm that updating from 10.3.3.0 (PEFMIXM) to 10.3.5.0 (PEFMIXM) has fixed this issue. Finally this website was useful for once.

ChatMuerto said:
Thanks @nix.sasl. I too can confirm that updating from 10.3.3.0 (PEFMIXM) to 10.3.5.0 (PEFMIXM) has fixed this issue. Finally this website was useful for once.
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A tip more, if you have the launcher setting in 4x5 do notting but if you have in 5x5, back to 4x5 and look that the device allow more apps in background.

jalovitrue said:
I'm not going to rant a lot here, but it's getting very annoying to the point I think I need to go here in the forum for a solution.
I'm using a 32/3GB Global version, on MIUI 10.3.3 Global with Android 9.
My phone's RAM management is utter dud it feels like a 500MB RAM phone. When I open an app, say a game, and then go home and open another app, goodbye game. Or Chrome and Music. Music plays in the background for some time but then just stops. Feels like it's thinking of Music as an unnecessary app and decided to close it. These issues did not happen with my last update before this.
My RAM usage usually hovers at 1.7/3GB.
TL;DR, Xiaomi probably trying to implement a RAM management system that is far too effective it's not efficient. Basically bye-bye multitasking. Is there anything I could do to change this?
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I've got bad experience with MIUI on ram management, so I switch to custom rom

phantomhell said:
I've got bad experience with MIUI on ram management, so I switch to custom rom
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Which ROM are using? Bugs?

Hi, have you solved the problem? I suffer the same bugs in miui 11.
in miui 10 the phone worked perfectly for me.
I'm sorry for bad English.

System is lagging, poor performance

I have a problem with system lags and poor performance. On the past few months in every single release of MIUI (no differnece between china beta, global or xiaomi.eu) I have a really annoying problem with lags. Device is lagging in various situation. On the desktop switching page or pulling down notification shade, browsing via Chrome, switching apps, using Twitter or Slack. I try various things but none of them help me. I wiped my device and even on a fresh system without additional apps I have lags.
In any benchmark apps I have a normal, average results for my device.
Now I'm on MIUI 11 and the problem persists, but I read that 11 have a little issue with animation.
The problem disappears when I switch to another AOSP ROM like for example Pixel Experience. Then I have a buttery experience.
Have someone any idea what is the problem? I have two MIX3 and on both the user experience isn't good.

I can assure you that my model (perseus) on Global Stable rom (Pie/miui 10.3.3.3) is buttery smooth in every contest. Not sure about what causes lags on yours...how many free ram is avaible when you open recent apps?

I have usually ~2,5-3,5 GB of free RAM, it depends of how many apps I have actually in the background. But I think that isn't a RAM problem. Probably something with kernel configuration? I'm guessing right now, I have no idea, why device equipped in Snapdragon 845 can't be smooth during scrolling pages on desktop or during scrolling web pages in Chrome browser. When i'm on AOSP ROM everything is OK, so this device has enough power to be smooth in every actions.

Szuri21 said:
I have usually ~2,5-3,5 GB of free RAM, it depends of how many apps I have actually in the background. But I think that isn't a RAM problem. Probably something with kernel configuration? I'm guessing right now, I have no idea, why device equipped in Snapdragon 845 can't be smooth during scrolling pages on desktop or during scrolling web pages in Chrome browser. When i'm on AOSP ROM everything is OK, so this device has enough power to be smooth in every actions.
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Maybe during some OTAs or Rom changes something messed up, it looks like that. Because after a clean flash you're telling me that everything runs fine on Aosp. Did you try flashing MIUI 10.3.3.3 from scratch instead MIUI 11 Beta?

On every single release of MIUI I have problem. No difference between China global or xiaomi.eu. I've tried that version and the problem persists. Even if I install after wipe. Only on AOSP ROMs everything is smooth.

Szuri21 said:
On every single release of MIUI I have problem. No difference between China global or xiaomi.eu. I've tried that version and the problem persists. Even if I install after wipe. Only on AOSP ROMs everything is smooth.
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That's quite strange... Will research about that :/

Sounds like the OP has a rogue app doing some crypto mining for free.

Are you sure? I don't think so. I completely wiped my device some times. I've tried install MIUI with official tool via fastboot. I think it's not possible what you suggested.

Szuri21 said:
Are you sure? I don't think so. I completely wiped my device some times. I've tried install MIUI with official tool via fastboot. I think it's not possible what you suggested.
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state of processor? run AIDA64 or Cpu-z and check what frequencies it's running at, seems unlikely but maybe governor issue?